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Title: Trump wants to fire federal employees at will. A federal judge said he can’t.
Post by: 240B on August 28, 2018, 12:57:23 pm

Vox
By Alexia Fernández Campbell
Aug 27, 2018

One of President Donald Trump’s key messages during the 2016 campaign was touting his role as a successful business leader — someone who could make good deals for America and run the government more like a business.

To Trump, that seemed to mean having complete control over his employees and the ability to fire anyone at will. Since his inauguration, Trump has fired — or forced out — more than two dozen Cabinet-level staff members. But he and his aides have expressed frustration that they can’t do the same with about 2 million rank-and-file employees who work at the agencies he oversees.

The reason he can’t is simple: Unlike his employees at the Trump Organization, most federal workers belong to unions. And those unions have negotiated certain job protections for workers, which includes a process that gives workers a chance to improve their job performance before they are terminated.

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https://www.vox.com/2018/8/27/17786324/trump-fires-government-employees-union
Title: Re: Trump wants to fire federal employees at will. A federal judge said he can’t.
Post by: Fishrrman on August 28, 2018, 11:04:45 pm
Fire them ANYWAY.

Then let them fight to get back through the union or the courts.
Title: Re: Trump wants to fire federal employees at will. A federal judge said he can’t.
Post by: 240B on August 29, 2018, 01:27:32 am
Fire them ANYWAY.

Then let them fight to get back through the union or the courts.


I agree. Fire them first, and then they can initiate whatever process they want to for redress.
Title: Re: Trump wants to fire federal employees at will. A federal judge said he can’t.
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 29, 2018, 01:57:06 pm
Who gave the people's employees the right to organize against us?
Title: Re: Trump wants to fire federal employees at will. A federal judge said he can’t.
Post by: txradioguy on August 29, 2018, 02:39:41 pm
Article II Section 2 United States Constitution.

Powers of the President:

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He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session
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https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/articles/article-ii


Someone needs to give that judge a copy of the U.S. Constitution.
Title: Re: Trump wants to fire federal employees at will. A federal judge said he can’t.
Post by: dfwgator on August 29, 2018, 02:41:47 pm
Seems like Reagan set the precedent with PATCO.
Title: Re: Trump wants to fire federal employees at will. A federal judge said he can’t.
Post by: txradioguy on August 29, 2018, 03:05:44 pm
Seems like Reagan set the precedent with PATCO.

@dfwgator

That was a Union issue and he did have the power to fire them that is true.

It would appear this judge wants to block the Article II powers of the President to fire members of the executive staff if he is dissatisfied with their performance in the office he hired them for.

The Libs are trying to prevent Trump from firing Rod Rosenstein and/or Robert Muller.
Title: Re: Trump wants to fire federal employees at will. A federal judge said he can’t.
Post by: verga on August 29, 2018, 03:19:48 pm
bkmk