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Title: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: mystery-ak on March 22, 2021, 10:46:07 AM
 Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports

Given the reality of the NCAA’s policy, South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem’s proffered explanation for excluding women collegiate athletes from the protections of H.B. 1217 is beyond misleading.

By Margot Cleveland
March 22, 2021

On Friday, South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem balked on signing House Bill 1217 when the bill to promote fairness in women’s sports crossed her desk. But instead of vetoing the legislation, Noem returned the bill to the House with what she called “recommendations as to STYLE and FORM.” The Republican governor’s spin, however, cannot withstand scrutiny—most specifically her claimed reasoning for removing collegiate athletics from the bill’s protections.

As finalized by the South Dakota legislature, Section 1 of H.B. 1217 provided that athletic teams and sports in the state, including at institutions of higher education, must be expressly designated as male, female, or coeducation. It also stipulated that teams or sports designed as female must be “available only to participants who are female, based on their biological sex.”

After promising to sign H.B. 1217, Noem instead took to Twitter on Friday to state why she had changed her mind and instead returned the bill to legislators for modifications. Noem elaborated on her reasoning in a letter to legislators.

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https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/22/bowing-to-corporate-demands-for-watered-down-bill-gov-kristi-noem-sells-out-womens-sports/
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: Fishrrman on March 22, 2021, 06:23:53 PM
She's trying to split the baby in half, and it's going to come back to bite her.

She should have signed the bill "as it is", and let the chips fall where they may.
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: mountaineer on March 22, 2021, 06:43:05 PM
She'll be on Tucker Carlson tonight at 8:20 p.m. (eastern time) to discuss it, she has tweeted.
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: jafo2010 on March 22, 2021, 09:48:38 PM
I saw her with Tucker  Maybe she was right.  BUT, why didn't she and her legislature work together to get it right the first time?  This looks weak to me, and zero leadership.
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: skeeter on March 22, 2021, 10:06:12 PM
Disappointing - she was one of the half dozen I have high hopes for. If she aspires to national office Noem should know millions are watching for ideological consistency and are pretty sensitive to anything that looks like a betrayal.
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 23, 2021, 01:04:20 AM
Jack Posobiec
@JackPosobiec


Craziest thing I’ve ever seen

(Noem on Tucker) Video: https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1374169699265748992

9:22 PM · Mar 22, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: mountaineer on March 23, 2021, 08:43:16 AM
I'm inclined to accept her explanation, but - like @jafo2010 - have to wonder why she and the legislature couldn't have gotten it right the first time. This is what happens when there's a kneejerk response to an issue, and heaven knows my own state legislature does it all the time. The solution ends up being at least as bad as the problem.
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: Bigun on March 23, 2021, 09:12:17 AM
I'm inclined to accept her explanation, but - like @jafo2010 - have to wonder why she and the legislature couldn't have gotten it right the first time. This is what happens when there's a kneejerk response to an issue, and heaven knows my own state legislature does it all the time. The solution ends up being at least as bad as the problem.

I'm not!  She is off my list and unlikely to ever return.
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: catfish1957 on March 23, 2021, 09:32:48 AM
I'm not!  She is off my list and unlikely to ever return.

She sounds more like Nikki Haley every day doesn't she?
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: Bigun on March 23, 2021, 09:45:27 AM
She sounds more like Nikki Haley every day doesn't she?

 :yowsa: and I'm done with those types.
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: mountaineer on March 23, 2021, 09:48:27 AM
Maybe it's because I was a lawyer long ago, but I can appreciate the problems that can arise from a poorly-written law.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: dfwgator on March 23, 2021, 09:51:03 AM
She's trying to split the baby in half, and it's going to come back to bite her.

She should have signed the bill "as it is", and let the chips fall where they may.

Trying to please everyone, just pisses everybody off.
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: Bigun on March 23, 2021, 09:56:10 AM
Trying to please everyone, just pisses everybody off.

The only things one finds in the middle of the road is yellow stripes and dead armadillos.
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: mountaineer on March 23, 2021, 10:00:29 AM
This blogger analyzes - critically - what Noem has said and done about the proposed law:
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... Is this a constitutional use of the “style and form veto”?

Not even close. My organization has spoken to several people on the ground who have told us that dozens of legislators are hopping mad at her for a clear “abuse of executive power.” Meanwhile, left-of-center interests are mad she didn’t veto the bill outright. It will be fascinating to see what happens in the coming days. From what we’ve heard, the bill sponsors will not be consenting to these changes — and there may even be a legal challenge as to whether this was a legitimate use of the “style and form veto” or not. (I hear Kristen Waggoner is a lawyer. I don’t know. We’ll see what happens.)

As we tweeted on Saturday after Noem attempted to backtrack amidst unprecedented criticism from the Right, she has three options: sign the bill, let the bill become law without her signature, or veto the bill. If she wants to amend it, she should make her case through the legislative process after the bill becomes law.

It’s still possible — if she changes course quickly — that Noem could move past this and salvage her political career. Own the legislation. Show Amazon that South Dakota won’t be bullied. Tell the NCAA to shove it. But I’m not optimistic that’s going to happen, which is a real shame. ...
More from Jon Schweppe (https://jonschweppe.substack.com/p/the-kristi-noem-veto-explained)
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: Fishrrman on March 23, 2021, 10:01:17 AM
catfish wrote:
"She sounds more like Nikki Haley every day doesn't she?"

And Bigun replied:
"yowsa: and I'm done with those types."

Fishrrman's "Rule of women in politics" applies here.
That is, they should never be permitted to hold ANY position of high political power.

(waiting for someone to chime in, "what about Margaret Thatcher?" in three, two, one...)
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: sneakypete on March 23, 2021, 10:16:17 AM
catfish wrote:
"She sounds more like Nikki Haley every day doesn't she?"

And Bigun replied:
"yowsa: and I'm done with those types."

Fishrrman's "Rule of women in politics" applies here.
That is, they should never be permitted to hold ANY position of high political power.

@Fishrrman @Bigun

3 Words for you. "Lady Margaret Thatcher".

(waiting for someone to chime in, "what about Margaret Thatcher?" in three, two, one...)

 
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: Bigun on March 23, 2021, 10:20:32 AM
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3 Words for you. "Lady Margaret Thatcher".

As I recall she was anything but in the middle of the road @sneakypete
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: mountaineer on March 23, 2021, 12:02:59 PM
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On Tucker Carlson, Kristi Noem Stages Act Two Of Political Theater Over Transgender Sports Bill
March 23, 2021
 By Tristan Justice

South Dakota Republican Gov. Kristi Noem defended her Friday decision to sign a “style and form” veto on a transgender sports bill passed this month on Fox News’ Tucker Carlson Monday, claiming the bill was a losing fight.  ...

“As I looked at the bill and examined it, and have been discussing with legal scholars for many months on how to protect women’s sports, this bill would only allow the NCAA to bully South Dakota,” Noem said, “and it would actually prevent women from being able to participate in collegiate sports.”

Independent legal groups, however, including the Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) pointed out that similar laws were recently passed in Idaho and Mississippi, and their experiences show these claims of incessant litigation following are false.

Kristen Waggoner, the general counsel for the Alliance Defending Freedom told The Federalist Noem’s comments on Carlson’s program were “intentionally misleading or she is uninformed,” particularly on claims supporters of the bill are fighting a losing legal battle.  ...
The Federalist (https://thefederalist.com/2021/03/23/on-tucker-carlson-kristi-noem-stages-act-two-of-political-theater-over-transgender-sports-bill/?fbclid=IwAR2F0de6jTAAkOGc7J45G7bsPtHmzQNxvl6BoByaC-7YXAWgH1TlcRVebxo)

Hmm.  :pondering:
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: sneakypete on March 23, 2021, 09:08:43 PM
As I recall she was anything but in the middle of the road @sneakypete

@Bigun

Which is why I reminded you of her.

For all practical purposes,that woman saved England from bankruptcy and dissolving.
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: Sled Dog on March 23, 2021, 09:33:25 PM
So her argument was that she wouldn't sign the bill because she was bullied by the NCAA that the NCAA would bully her if she signed it.

That she had to make a coalition of states to oppose the NCAA before she signed the bill.   

That China's basketball league had veto power over legislation in the various states of the United States.

Looks like one thing is certain.  She decided she didn't want to be governess no more.  And...she's off the national ticket as far as the Americans are concerned.  She may as well implement statewide lockdowns and mandatory triple masks.  She's done.

Her arguments were lame.
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: Sled Dog on March 23, 2021, 09:35:07 PM
@Bigun

Which is why I reminded you of her.

For all practical purposes,that woman saved England from bankruptcy and dissolving.

And now the UK's capital is called Londonistan.
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: sneakypete on March 23, 2021, 10:31:51 PM
And now the UK's capital is called Londonistan.

@Sled Dog

Yeah,but that is NOT her fault.
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: Sled Dog on March 24, 2021, 04:08:18 AM
@Sled Dog

Yeah,but that is NOT her fault.

Oh, I know that.  The glorious old battleship died before that happened. 

I was just helping those people who insist Trump didn't accomplish anything because the Rodents stole his re-election find another example where accomplishments don't matter.    Since accomplishments are always ephemeral, I wonder why they whine so much about not having any permanent ones.
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: sneakypete on March 24, 2021, 04:45:27 AM
Oh, I know that.  The glorious old battleship died before that happened. 

I was just helping those people who insist Trump didn't accomplish anything because the Rodents stole his re-election find another example where accomplishments don't matter.    Since accomplishments are always ephemeral, I wonder why they whine so much about not having any permanent ones.

@Sled Dog

Easy.They ain't done "accomplishing" yet.

It's easy to criticize how badly the other team plays,right up to the time that YOU  enter the playing field.
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: mountaineer on March 29, 2021, 07:47:52 PM
Tweeted today:

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Governor Kristi Noem
@govkristinoem
Only girls should play girls’ sports. Given the legislature’s failure to accept my proposed revisions to HB 1217, I am immediately signing two executive orders to address this issue: one to protect fairness in K-12 athletics, and another to do so in college athletics. (1/3)
5:52 PM · Mar 29, 2021

Additionally, I will be working with legislative leaders to schedule a special legislative session in late May or early June. The special session will address this important issue, as well others (medicinal marijuana and the latest federal spending package.)

You can read the K-12 Executive Order here: https://governor.sd.gov/doc/2021-05.pdf

You can read the collegiate Executive Order here: https://governor.sd.gov/doc/2021-06.pdf

https://twitter.com/govkristinoem/status/1376653525363621902
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: sneakypete on March 29, 2021, 08:41:48 PM
Tweeted today:

https://twitter.com/govkristinoem/status/1376653525363621902

@mountaineer

Good for her,but it is disgraceful that something like that should ever be necessary.
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: Sled Dog on March 29, 2021, 09:02:20 PM
I'm still trying to figure out what is so complicated about writing, and then signing, a bill that says:

"Boys are boys.  Girls are girls.  Boys are not girls.  Girls are not boys.  This is determined by the winning sperm at fertilization and not subject to debate.  Girls cannot play on boys sports, girls cannot use boys locker rooms or restroom, nor can adult females avail themselves of any facilities devoted to the use of men.   Boys cannot play on girls sports, boys cannot use girls' locker rooms or restroom, nor can any adult male avail themselves of any facilities devoted to the use of females.   Adult males or adult females using or attempting to use the facilities designated for the sole use of the opposite sex shall be indicted for a sex crime."

Oh, that was difficult.
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: sneakypete on March 29, 2021, 09:06:43 PM
I'm still trying to figure out what is so complicated about writing, and then signing, a bill that says:

"Boys are boys.  Girls are girls.  Boys are not girls.  Girls are not boys.  This is determined by the winning sperm at fertilization and not subject to debate.  Girls cannot play on boys sports, girls cannot use boys locker rooms or restroom, nor can adult females avail themselves of any facilities devoted to the use of men.   Boys cannot play on girls sports, boys cannot use girls' locker rooms or restroom, nor can any adult male avail themselves of any facilities devoted to the use of females.   Adult males or adult females using or attempting to use the facilities designated for the sole use of the opposite sex shall be indicted for a sex crime."

Oh, that was difficult.

@Sled Dog

Not entirely true. I have been to places with "uni-sex" rest rooms. One was in Russia,and I may be wrong,but I SUSPECT the penalty for assaulting a woman in a public restroom in Russia can be both painful and result in jail time once you get out of the hospital.

Nobody has ever accused Russian cops of being gentle. They will flat beat the snot out of you with wooden clubs,and THEN tell you that you are under arrest.
 
I will also admit that I have been in mens rooms in American bars and had women wander in and want to back up to the urinal "because the line is too long at the ladies rest room". Had to laugh one time when I caught one "eyeing the merchandise" both left and right as she dropped trous and backed up to the trough.

These were biker bars,so once again,trying to molest one was NOT a good idea because her "old man" and his pals were out in the bar waiting for her.
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: Sled Dog on March 29, 2021, 09:27:26 PM
@Sled Dog

Not entirely true. I have been to places with "uni-sex" rest rooms. One was in Russia,and I may be wrong,but I SUSPECT the penalty for assaulting a woman in a public restroom in Russia can be both painful and result in jail time once you get out of the hospital.

Nobody has ever accused Russian cops of being gentle. They will flat beat the snot out of you with wooden clubs,and THEN tell you that you are under arrest.
 
I will also admit that I have been in mens rooms in American bars and had women wander in and want to back up to the urinal "because the line is too long at the ladies rest room". Had to laugh one time when I caught one "eyeing the merchandise" both left and right as she dropped trous and backed up to the trough.

These were biker bars,so once again,trying to molest one was NOT a good idea because her "old man" and his pals were out in the bar waiting for her.

Yeah, I've seen the girls in the men's rooms in bars.   Everyone's adult there.  Everyone thinks it's funny.   Went to a fraternity party there and when I was taking a leak in the one toilet stall, a bunch of girls came in and boy, do they talk like filthy sluts when they think there's no guys around...

The laws aren't written to protect the immune.   What I wrote was to ensure "equality".  Few men will complain about a real woman in a men's restroom, for reasons you stated and because we don't really care that much.

But everyone knows this boys can be girls so they must be able to use the girls' restrooms isn't a two-way street.  We need to keep the male pervs out of the girls rooms and in the prisons where they can get all the attention to be had, if they wanted to be really treated like girls.
Title: Re: Bowing To Corporate Demands For Watered-Down Bill, Gov. Kristi Noem Sells Out Women’s Sports
Post by: sneakypete on March 30, 2021, 12:04:18 AM
Yeah, I've seen the girls in the men's rooms in bars.   Everyone's adult there.  Everyone thinks it's funny.   Went to a fraternity party there and when I was taking a leak in the one toilet stall, a bunch of girls came in and boy, do they talk like filthy sluts when they think there's no guys around...

The laws aren't written to protect the immune.   What I wrote was to ensure "equality".  Few men will complain about a real woman in a men's restroom, for reasons you stated and because we don't really care that much.

But everyone knows this boys can be girls so they must be able to use the girls' restrooms isn't a two-way street.  We need to keep the male pervs out of the girls rooms and in the prisons where they can get all the attention to be had, if they wanted to be really treated like girls.

@Sled Dog

No kidding about that one,and when it comes to child molesters,any caught should be taken outside and set on fire so people can make bets on who reaches the end of the block.

I am not sympathetic at all to child molesters. Some people try to excuse it by saying they can't help their sexual orientation,but so freaking what? Heterosexual men are attracted to women,but that doesn't give them a license to sexually assault any woman walking by that they find attractive.

If 90 +- percent of the population that is heterosexual can control THEIR sexual urges and not sexually assault anyone,so can the freaking homosexuals!

If I catch someone raping a child,they are in DEEP doo-doo. Trust me on that one,and to hell with the consequences.