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Title: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Gefn on August 09, 2023, 12:45:39 pm
live thread here. Really wild things.......

Here are the headlines....


911 services and communications are down as wildfires burn in Maui, official says


12 people in Maui County were rescued after they jumped into the ocean to escape wildfire dange



https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/maui-wildfires-08-09-23/index.html
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 09, 2023, 02:30:13 pm
I wonder how much Maui Wowie gut burnt?
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on August 09, 2023, 02:53:20 pm
I wonder how much Maui Wowie gut burnt?

A really high amount.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: cato potatoe on August 09, 2023, 09:42:38 pm
It sounds like much of the town of Lahaina was incinerated in a firestorm, including a number of buildings from the 19th century. 
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: LMAO on August 09, 2023, 09:46:07 pm
I’ve been to Maui

Beautiful island, and the only island that it didn’t have rain when we were there
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 09, 2023, 09:53:22 pm
Susan Crabtree
@susancrabtree
Horrible news out of Maui: Six people have been confirmed dead after wildfires fueled by hurricane winds began burning in Maui overnight, destroying much of the popular tourist town Lahaina


 Maui Lahaina front street destroyed
https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1689388982449352707
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: NavyCanDo on August 09, 2023, 09:55:52 pm
So so sad. Been to Lahaina many times, Maui a favorite family vacation spot. Such a beautiful town.  It's all gone.   KIMO's having the best Prime Rib. , Burgers in Paradise was amazing, Bubbagumps, the Marina, the museum, Banyan Tree, all gone.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 10, 2023, 01:01:40 pm
Hawaii Fires: Death Toll Climbs to 36 as Flames Engulf Maui

Simon Kent 10 Aug 2023

The death toll in the wildfires ravaging Hawaii climbed to 36 late Wednesday evening, Maui County officials said.

The identities of those killed were not included in the brief statement which confirmed “firefighting efforts continue.”

As Breitbart News reported, earlier in the day the toll stood at six in a wildfire that has razed the resort town of Lahaina on the island of Maui, as desperate residents jumped into the ocean in a bid to escape the fast-moving flames.

Other residents and visitors raced to escape via available air routes.

U.S. Coast Guard officers plucked at least a dozen people from the water as emergency services were overwhelmed by a disaster that appeared to have erupted almost without warning and has burnt entire neighbourhoods to the ground.

The wildfires, driven by strong winds from Hurricane Dora passing far to the south, took the island of Maui by surprise, leaving behind burned-out cars on once busy streets and smoking piles of rubble where historic century-old buildings had once stood.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2023/08/10/hawaii-fires-death-toll-climbs-to-36-as-flames-engulf-maui/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 10, 2023, 01:29:57 pm
Shocking Video Shows Hawaii Residents Trying To Escape Fire

https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1689307064345165825
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Polly Ticks on August 10, 2023, 01:39:58 pm
That's kind of terrifying.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: PeteS in CA on August 10, 2023, 02:02:22 pm
A FB Friend lost a 94YO aunt because the bad air quality exacerbated her existing pulmonary problems. I don't mean this callously, but the town could be rebuilt. The people lost are gone, except in memories.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 10, 2023, 06:41:43 pm
Any news on what started the fire?  I can't seem to find anything on this ---- other than climate change, of course.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: PeteS in CA on August 10, 2023, 07:39:52 pm
The cause is said to be unknown. It is likely that many/most of the people and equipment who would investigate the cause are currently fighting the fire.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: catfish1957 on August 10, 2023, 07:55:12 pm
The fact that the entire city of Lahaina is lost is mind boggling.  This was the second largest city on the Island and the actual best tourist center.  Considering the logistics of rebuilding on an island?  It will take decades to recover.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on August 10, 2023, 08:22:11 pm
Quote
The Hawaiian language name Lā hainā means "cruel sun", describing the sunny dry climate.[3] Lahaina's historic district averages only 13 inches (330 mm) of rain per year, much of which occurs from December to February.

Wikipedia.

I read a Cyclone passing south may have contributed high winds and fire prone non native grasses provided fuel.  Maui has been suffering from drought. I am guessing the origin was man made, as opposed to lightning, and conditions caused it to go rapidly out of control.

Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: berdie on August 10, 2023, 08:35:00 pm
What a frightening situation. I pray for these folks.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 10, 2023, 10:09:22 pm
Stephen Lloyd
@apparentlysteve
BREAKING: Hawaii changes state flag to Ukrainian flag in hopes of getting disaster relief.
3:29 PM · Aug 10, 2023


Seriously, though, Hawaii is a Democrat state. They'll get the disaster relief denied "red" states.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 10, 2023, 10:30:37 pm
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/08/10/20/74183575-12394603-image-a-2_1691694619942.jpg)

many photos here
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12394603/Lahaina-fire-damage-cause-officials-unsure-started-blaze.html
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Polly Ticks on August 11, 2023, 12:14:32 am
The fact that the entire city of Lahaina is lost is mind boggling.  This was the second largest city on the Island and the actual best tourist center.  Considering the logistics of rebuilding on an island?  It will take decades to recover.

Yes.  We were just there in December.  It's heart-breaking, how many people have lost their lives, their homes, and/or their livelihoods.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 11, 2023, 12:17:09 am
Death toll update
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2023, 12:28:41 am
Death toll update

53
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: NavyCanDo on August 11, 2023, 12:51:47 am
The family owned a condo on Kaanapali since the early 1980s, vacationing each year. Only selling it last year with the upkeep fees climbing too high for the family to hang on to.  The good times we had in Lahaina can't me measured.   Such a tragic loss.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 11, 2023, 01:28:44 pm
Hawaii Wildfires Death Toll Stands at 53, Expected to Rise ‘Very Significantly’

The death toll from the wildfires that have ravaged vast parts of the west coast of Hawaii’s Maui island over the past 48-hours stood at 53 late Thursday night. Authorities have warned the count is expected to rise.

https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2023/08/11/hawaii-wildfires-death-toll-stands-at-53-expected-to-rise-very-significantly/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on August 11, 2023, 01:47:03 pm
My daughter and her boyfriend - who had asked my blessing for a proposal - are still there.  They were safe but said it got pretty bad.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Polly Ticks on August 11, 2023, 02:29:00 pm
My daughter and her boyfriend - who had asked my blessing for a proposal - are still there.  They were safe but said it got pretty bad.

Prayers up for their continued safety, @Maj. Bill Martin
Are they vacationing, or do they live there?
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2023, 02:31:42 pm
55
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: American Girl on August 11, 2023, 03:20:19 pm
Everything is burnt but the trees, but don’t point that out or ur a conspiracy theorist
As the article states the Maui fires were so bad a boat in the water caught on fire but the trees are fine!

https://defiantamerica.com/footage-taken-after-the-devastating-fires-in-maui-shows-that-everything-is-burnt-but-the-trees-and-theres-only-one-explanation-for-this-video/

Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on August 11, 2023, 03:45:32 pm
The trunks are standing, but it looks like the foliage is gone.

Some tree species are fire resistant.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Kamaji on August 11, 2023, 03:46:40 pm
The trunks are standing, but it looks like the foliage is gone.

Some tree species are fire resistant.

And some trees actually need fire to cause their seed pods to open so their seeds can start germinating.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 11, 2023, 04:34:06 pm
Horrendous.   :crying:
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: LadyLiberty on August 11, 2023, 08:45:48 pm
So difficult to grasp. We were married just south of there in the Wailea / Mekena area.  8888crybaby
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: libertybele on August 11, 2023, 09:21:27 pm
Unbelievable and horrific.  Prayers up.

(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2023/08/11/multimedia/11nat-hawaii-photos-04-kqpl/11nat-hawaii-photos-04-kqpl-superJumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp)
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Mod2 on August 11, 2023, 09:57:54 pm
Merged threads
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on August 12, 2023, 02:01:27 am
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Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on August 12, 2023, 02:14:15 am
Vacationing.  They're supposed to be getting a flight out tomorrow.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on August 12, 2023, 12:33:55 pm
Death toll at 80
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: American Girl on August 12, 2023, 01:28:19 pm
Elites aren’t finished yet! They want it all

These fires are being set on purpose
Another small town slated for destruction?
https://redstatenation.com/evacuation-ordered-videos-coming-out-of-luau-lahaina-and-kaanapali-confirm-that-new-fires-have-broke-out-in-hawaii/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 12, 2023, 03:08:25 pm
https://twitter.com/Ivankalema01/status/1690344115223838721
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Kamaji on August 12, 2023, 05:55:41 pm
Historic Lahaina church miraculously untouched by Maui wildfires that killed 80

By Rich Calder   
August 12, 2023

Stunning video shows a historic Catholic church in Lahaina miraculously still standing and unscathed after devastating wildfires ripped through Maui — while the rest of the historic town was turned into an apocalyptical nightmare.

Maria Lanakila Catholic Church, which opened in 1846, was captured in a video, posted on TikTok, standing tall and untouched.

When the camera pans around, the rest of the town — the largest tourist destination on Maui — looks like a smoldering hellscape of rubble.

Viewers hailed the jaw-dropping miracle as an act of God.

“A def sign from God,” one TikTok user wrote, adding, “he is with you. hold on and keep that faith. we are all praying for you.”

*  *  *

Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/08/12/historic-lahaina-church-stands-miraculously-untouched-by-maui-wildfires/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: rangerrebew on August 12, 2023, 05:56:25 pm
August 11, 2023
Maui had a firebug on the loose and a fancy warning system that didn't work: Hawaii governor blames global warming
By Monica Showalter

Hawaii had the world's fanciest natural disaster warning system on the planet. It also had an ongoing firebug problem, and recent academic study warning that the place was very vulnerable to fire catastrophes.

Somehow, none of that figured in the government's fire plan. The firebug is still out there. The conditions created for big fires, such as the proliferation of non-native grasses, remain on Maui. And the fancy emergency warning system somehow didn't work.

Never mind any of that: Its governor says the problem is global warming.

“We've never experienced a wildfire that affected a city like this before,” Hawaii Gov. Josh Green (D) told reporters Thursday, noting that global warming is exacerbating extreme weather around the world and will have to be considered as communities rebuild. “Climate change is here."

Which seems a little distant from his immediate duties as governor.


Here's the opening scenario for the catastrophe on Maui that took out Hawaii's lovely heritage town of Lahaina, destroyed 1,000 buildings, and killed scores of people, from the Associated Press:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/08/maui_had_a_firebug_on_the_loose_and_a_fancy_warning_system_that_didnt_work_hawaii_governor_blames_global_warming_for_the_disaster.html
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Kamaji on August 12, 2023, 05:58:00 pm
:facepalm2:
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: libertybele on August 12, 2023, 05:59:46 pm
This story gives me goosebumps and reminds me of only seeing a couple of crosses standing in the area after Charley hit.

Definitely miraculous.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: PeteS in CA on August 12, 2023, 06:26:53 pm
Is there actual evidence that the fire on Maui was arson? Or is Showalter posting speculation as if it were fact?
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DB on August 12, 2023, 06:44:40 pm
Dry abundant fuel in heavily populated area with 70+ mph winds is a recipe for a devastating fire storm. When something loose blows into a powerline it is all set into motion. The only practical solution is minimize the fuel supply. This is what California failed to do in another massive firestorm that destroyed over 10,000 homes. They blamed the power company so in turn the power company turns off the power when it is hot, dry and windy which is making California third world. Hot, dry and windy isn't uncommon in California, therefore the power goes out often.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Kamaji on August 12, 2023, 06:52:04 pm
Dry abundant fuel in heavily populated area with 70+ mph winds is a recipe for a devastating fire storm. When something loose blows into a powerline it is all set into motion. The only practical solution is minimize the fuel supply. This is what California failed to do in another massive firestorm that destroyed over 10,000 homes. They blamed the power company so in turn the power company turns off the power when it is hot, dry and windy which is making California third world. Hot, dry and windy isn't uncommon in California, therefore the power goes out often.

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 12, 2023, 07:23:54 pm
How the hell are wildfires even possible on an island in the middle of the biggest body of water on Earth? Something isn't right here at all. We're being bamboozled.

Funny how social media is filling up with people all of a sudden telling people not to vacation in Hawaii now. As if this whole story was some ginned-up hoax they're trying to cover up.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: libertybele on August 12, 2023, 07:34:29 pm
How the hell are wildfires even possible on an island in the middle of the biggest body of water on Earth? Something isn't right here at all. We're being bamboozled.

Funny how social media is filling up with people all of a sudden telling people not to vacation in Hawaii now. As if this whole story was some ginned-up hoax they're trying to cover up.

???? @jmyrlefuller Florida is a peninsula and has many inland lakes, canals, islands etc., and we still get wildfires.  So, I'm not in agreement with your statement.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Mod2 on August 12, 2023, 08:11:04 pm
Merged threads
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DB on August 12, 2023, 08:13:19 pm
How the hell are wildfires even possible on an island in the middle of the biggest body of water on Earth? Something isn't right here at all. We're being bamboozled.

Funny how social media is filling up with people all of a sudden telling people not to vacation in Hawaii now. As if this whole story was some ginned-up hoax they're trying to cover up.

Check out the annual rainfall for that island.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: cato potatoe on August 12, 2023, 08:41:09 pm
Funny how social media is filling up with people all of a sudden telling people not to vacation in Hawaii now. As if this whole story was some ginned-up hoax they're trying to cover up.

It’s great for a vacation, but I would not want to live there.  The state is so poorly managed that I’m surprised it ever became a state to begin with.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Gefn on August 12, 2023, 09:05:07 pm
Maui wildfire death toll rises to 80, with 1,500 still missing, making blaze worst natural disaster in Hawaii state history



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12398843/Maui-wildfire-death-toll-rises-unde
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on August 12, 2023, 09:42:56 pm
How the hell are wildfires even possible on an island in the middle of the biggest body of water on Earth? Something isn't right here at all. We're being bamboozled.

Funny how social media is filling up with people all of a sudden telling people not to vacation in Hawaii now. As if this whole story was some ginned-up hoax they're trying to cover up.

Are you saying that there aren't really any fires, or that they're not that large?

I'm just kind of curious as to exactly what the scam is supposed to be.

@jmyrlefuller
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 12, 2023, 10:45:09 pm
How the hell are wildfires even possible on an island in the middle of the biggest body of water on Earth? Something isn't right here at all. We're being bamboozled.

Funny how social media is filling up with people all of a sudden telling people not to vacation in Hawaii now. As if this whole story was some ginned-up hoax they're trying to cover up.

Go to Maui and see how long it takes to walk the circumference.  These islands look small on a globe but large when you stand on one.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Free Vulcan on August 13, 2023, 12:09:35 am
I have a co-worker who has a sister on Kauai island who's volunteering for helping those on Maui. She says it is every bit as bad or worse than what the media is reporting.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Free Vulcan on August 13, 2023, 12:10:42 am
How the hell are wildfires even possible on an island in the middle of the biggest body of water on Earth? Something isn't right here at all. We're being bamboozled.

Funny how social media is filling up with people all of a sudden telling people not to vacation in Hawaii now. As if this whole story was some ginned-up hoax they're trying to cover up.

It's from a conbo of factors, but the winds from hurricane Dora are what has exacerbated it.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Wingnut on August 13, 2023, 12:15:13 am
The development opportunities are astounding.   Can you imagine how many people  didn't have insurance.  Man If i had some money I would be all in on taking advantage of the people.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on August 13, 2023, 12:54:09 am
I've seen this conspiracy whispers about how the fires are supposedly fake.  I just can't fathom what the motive would be, or how anyone believes it would be possible to pull it off.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 13, 2023, 01:16:52 am
I've seen this conspiracy whispers about how the fires are supposedly fake.  I just can't fathom what the motive would be, or how anyone believes it would be possible to pull it off.
Climate change activists and their allies in the media, pushing for more government. It's the same shtick that Italy used in 2020 to drive us all into lockdown.

And now with the big push to avoid going there, no one will verify.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on August 13, 2023, 02:43:16 am
Climate change activists and their allies in the media, pushing for more government. It's the same shtick that Italy used in 2020 to drive us all into lockdown.

And now with the big push to avoid going there, no one will verify.

@jmyrlefuller

You mean verify that the fires are actually happening, rather than just being made up?
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 13, 2023, 04:18:01 am
Sounds not unlike a prairie fire out this way.

Those have consumed entire small towns, lofting embers into the air that can travel ahead of the flame front for miles.

Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 13, 2023, 11:10:33 am
I haven't heard what actually started the fire - arson, lightning? Has anyone rational (not a climate alarmist) offered an opinion on the cause?
The hurricane winds certainly caused it to spread rapidly.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on August 13, 2023, 12:45:30 pm
Death toll at 93
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on August 13, 2023, 01:23:50 pm
I haven't heard what actually started the fire - arson, lightning? Has anyone rational (not a climate alarmist) offered an opinion on the cause?
The hurricane winds certainly caused it to spread rapidly.

Maui was suffering a drought so lightning is probably out. High winds from hurricane Dora may have blown down a power line sparking it off. That is my guess.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Idiot on August 13, 2023, 01:25:58 pm
The development opportunities are astounding.   Can you imagine how many people  didn't have insurance.  Man If i had some money I would be all in on taking advantage of the people.
No you wouldn't.  As I've seen you mellow out over the years, you are too nice of a guy to take advantage of people in this way.  happy77 @Wingnut
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: PeteS in CA on August 13, 2023, 02:28:23 pm
Just because Warmistas (or Covidians, or ...) use an event for their propaganda does not mean the event is not real.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Wingnut on August 13, 2023, 03:15:25 pm
No you wouldn't.  As I've seen you mellow out over the years, you are too nice of a guy to take advantage of people in this way.  happy77 @Wingnut

C'mon.  Don't harsh my mellow!
@Jack Russell
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on August 13, 2023, 03:46:52 pm
Just because Warmistas (or Covidians, or ...) use an event for their propaganda does not mean the event is not real.

Exactly.  The level of conspiracy it would take is impossible.

There are 200,000 or so people on that island at any one time, including tourists from all over the world, all of whom would have cellphones and the ability to post video. 

My daughter and boyfriend just got home today and witnessed it personally.  I don't expect a skeptic to be convinced by a random guy on the Internet saying that his daughter saw it, but it is an illustration of how many hundreds of thousands of additional people would have to be in on the conspiracy.  Just one of them posting video showing everything is fine would end it.

There are all the neighboring islands that can see the smoke, airplanes full of people and crew that can see it from a distance, all the ships of varying nationalities that could see it.

Then, there are all the satellites from other countries that can see if the fires are real, many of which would love nothing more than to completely destroy the credibility of the U.S. government by showing images that Maui is just fine.

And yet, there isn't a single one of those people saying "no fires".  It's all people typing away on their keyboards thousands of miles away who claim it is just a co souracy, and not happening.

It simply is not possible to make it all up.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: libertybele on August 13, 2023, 03:56:00 pm
Exactly.  The level of conspiracy it would take is impossible.

There are 200,000 or so people on that island at any one time, including tourists from all over the world, all of whom would have cellphones and the ability to post video. 

My daughter and boyfriend just got home today and witnessed it personally.  I don't expect a skeptic to be convinced by a random guy on the Internet saying that his daughter saw it, but it is an illustration of how many hundreds of thousands of additional people would have to be in on it.

There are all the neighboring islands that can see the smoke, airplanes full of people as crew that can see it from a distance, all the ships of varying nationalities that could see it.

Then, there are all the satellites from other countries that can see if the fires are real, many of which would love nothing more than to completely destroy the credibility of the U.S. government by showing images that Maui is just fine.

It simply is not possible to make it all up.

Personally, I find it ridiculous to think that this is some sort of hoax.  Prayers up for all those affected.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: American Girl on August 13, 2023, 09:21:24 pm
Main Stream Media is NEVER honest about anything. They push their own narrative for their own benefit and purposes.

This is going to turn into the biggest land grab. The government has done this since the 1800s in the West.

https://www.usasupreme.com/video-this-was-not-a-natural-disaster-alleged-maui-island-hawaii-fire-survivor-and-firsthand-witness-raise-disturbing-questions-about-deadly-wildfire/

Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: libertybele on August 13, 2023, 09:38:11 pm
Hurricane winds can be 300 miles offshore and still be felt.

Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Wingnut on August 13, 2023, 09:41:26 pm
Hurricane winds can be 300 miles offshore and still be felt.

What the hell is she/it talking about.  I don't do that usasupreme site.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Mod2 on August 13, 2023, 09:45:47 pm
Merged threads. Please keep Maui wildfire info on this thread.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: libertybele on August 13, 2023, 09:56:16 pm
What the hell is she/it talking about.  I don't do that usasupreme site.

I didn't find her story credible as there was just not enough substance to what she was saying.  Winds never come from the East?  I didn't quite follow her point -- so someone made the winds come from the East-- I missed what she was stating.

I do believe that there was a lack of warning but we are sent texts as well here when a hurricane is approaching along with the news that doesn't exactly coincide with each other.  Forecasters begin to panic - they're human. 

I do know that hurricanes, storms, fires, tornadoes, etc., are unpredictable.  What impact they are going to have is usually well known when it's a little too late to head in a better direction.

I don't trust our government and that she doesn't have to convince me of.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 13, 2023, 10:13:38 pm
This is just awful: Only 2 of estimated 93 victims of Maui fires ID’d so far, with bodies so damaged ‘they fall apart’  (https://nypost.com/2023/08/13/only-2-of-estimated-93-victims-of-maui-fires-idd-so-far-with-bodies-so-damaged-they-fall-apart/) (NY Post)
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: GtHawk on August 13, 2023, 10:20:17 pm
Hurricane winds can be 300 miles offshore and still be felt.
My understanding is that the hurricane in conjunction with a other weather system, low?, cause the trade winds to pickup speed and be channeled over Maui that resulted in the 80+mph winds and that with whatever ignition source cause the firestorm feeding on all the drought died grasses. But hey that's kind of sciencey reasoning....let's just go with a government bogey man instead.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: cato potatoe on August 13, 2023, 10:20:31 pm
Maui was suffering a drought so lightning is probably out. High winds from hurricane Dora may have blown down a power line sparking it off. That is my guess.

The investigation should be helpful.  I’m pretty concerned this could happen again, since the larger towns are built on the arid slopes, and they don’t know how to keep a small fire from getting out of hand.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 13, 2023, 10:43:04 pm
 August 13, 2023 2:07pm EDT
Hawaii Gov Josh Green says ‘very real’ global warming caused conditions for deadly wildfire
Democrat governor called blaze 'fire hurricane' that left Lahaina like 'war zone'
By Stephen Sorace | Fox News

Hawaii Gov. Josh Green said Sunday that global warming played a major role in the Maui wildfire that destroyed a historic town and has so far killed at least 93 people.

Green spoke about the devastation in the centuries-old town of Lahaina during an appearance on MSNBC’s "The Sunday Show with Jonathan Capehart," describing the wildfire as a "fire hurricane" with gusting 80 mph winds and "1,000-degree heat creating fire cyclones going through buildings."

"Everything is burnt to the ground in Lahaina," the Democrat said, calling it a "war zone" that is "completely destroyed."

Green attributed strong winds from Hurricane Dora, which passed far to the south of the island last week, and very dry drought conditions on Maui to the fast-moving blaze.

more
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hawaii-gov-josh-green-says-very-real-global-warming-caused-conditions-deadly-wildfire
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on August 13, 2023, 10:53:07 pm
There is a map of Maui wildfires at this link.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/climate/article/hawaii-maui-fire-map-18287393.php

Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: cato potatoe on August 13, 2023, 11:54:36 pm
Hawaii Gov. Josh Green said Sunday that global warming played a major role in the Maui wildfire that destroyed a historic town and has so far killed at least 93 people.

Green spoke about the devastation in the centuries-old town of Lahaina during an appearance on MSNBC’s "The Sunday Show with Jonathan Capehart," describing the wildfire as a "fire hurricane" with gusting 80 mph winds and "1,000-degree heat creating fire cyclones going through buildings."

"Everything is burnt to the ground in Lahaina," the Democrat said, calling it a "war zone" that is "completely destroyed."

Green attributed strong winds from Hurricane Dora, which passed far to the south of the island last week, and very dry drought conditions on Maui to the fast-moving blaze.

The governor is trying to deflect responsibility with his climate nonsense.  Lahaina is Hawaiian for "cruel or merciless sun."  The climate has always been dry and sunny.

We need to know why no warning was issued to residents after the fire began, and what (if any) mitigation efforts took place before it burned everything down and took a couple of hundred people with it.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: libertybele on August 14, 2023, 01:09:58 am
The governor is trying to deflect responsibility with his climate nonsense.  Lahaina is Hawaiian for "cruel or merciless sun."  The climate has always been dry and sunny.

We need to know why no warning was issued to residents after the fire began, and what (if any) mitigation efforts took place before it burned everything down and took a couple of hundred people with it.

That question definitely needs to be answered.

.....the state's vaunted integrated outdoor siren warning system – the largest in the world, with about 400 alarms – was not activated during the fires, according to Hawaii Emergency Management Agency spokesperson Adam Weintraub.

Who is going to take responsibility for that??
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: libertybele on August 14, 2023, 01:22:16 am
One account:

............"It's not that people didn't try to do anything. It's that it was so fast no one had time to do anything," Curran said. "The fire went from 0 to 100."

But Cicchino said it all felt like the county wasn't prepared and government agencies weren't communicating with each other.

"I feel like the county really cost a lot of peoples' lives and homes that day. I felt like a lot of this could have been prevented if they just thought about this stuff in the morning, and took their precaution," he said. "You live in a fire zone. They have a lot of fires. You need to prepare for fires."

The all-hazard sirens are tested each month to ensure they are in working order. During the most recent test, Aug. 1, they malfunctioned in three separate incidents in three counties. Maui's siren tone was too short, so officials repeated the test later that day, successfully.

Karl Kim directs the National Disaster Preparedness Training Center, a University of Hawaii-based organization that develops training materials to help officials respond to natural disasters.

Kim said it's too soon to know exactly how the warning and alert system might have saved more lives in Lahaina, and noted that wildfires are often more challenging to manage than volcanic eruptions, tsunamis and even earthquakes because they are more difficult to detect and track over time.

"I think it's a wake-up call," he said. "We have to invest more in understanding of wildfires and the threats that they provide, which aren't as well understood."
................

https://abc7.com/maui-wildfires-warning-wildfire-hawaii/13638359/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DB on August 14, 2023, 01:51:56 am
When the wind is blowing at 60+ mph, the fire can spread at near that rate. It's a fire storm of destruction. You can't fight it. You can only get out of the way.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: American Girl on August 14, 2023, 12:31:50 pm
You would think during a hurricane, it wouldn’t be such a nice sunny day.

Those posts should withstand 90m+ winds since the islands are prone to hurricanes.
Maui fires were provoked. Prove me otherwise.
This and dry hydrants... Infrastructure failure.
https://www.usasupreme.com/video-that-was-taken-right-before-the-hawaii-fires-started-seems-to-show-what-caused-the-wild-fires/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on August 14, 2023, 12:56:12 pm
Death toll at 96
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 14, 2023, 12:59:21 pm
From Twitter:  Footage of the initial start of the fires in Lahaina, Maui. No official cause has been released yet but class action lawsuits have already been opened by multiple law firms, suing the local utility and power companies for their roll in the tragedy. 
The class action lawsuit alleges that downed power lines that MECO, HECO, HELCO, and HEI owned and operated caused the fire.
https://twitter.com/HotshotWake/status/1690510387991502849
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Idiot on August 14, 2023, 01:03:04 pm
From Twitter:  Footage of the initial start of the fires in Lahaina, Maui. No official cause has been released yet but class action lawsuits have already been opened by multiple law firms, suing the local utility and power companies for their roll in the tragedy. 
The class action lawsuit alleges that downed power lines that MECO, HECO, HELCO, and HEI owned and operated caused the fire.
https://twitter.com/HotshotWake/status/1690510387991502849
I seriously doubt the power utilities could control the wind.  They'll say they should have cut off the electricity to the city, but when you do that you risk other lawsuits.  They can't win.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 14, 2023, 01:19:15 pm
Hawaiian couple sues power companies over Lahaina destruction amid historic Maui wildfires

Monica and Rede Eder say the power companies "caused loss of life, serious injuries [and] destruction of hundreds of homes and businesses"

more
https://www.foxnews.com/us/hawaiian-couple-sues-power-companies-lahaina-destruction-historic-maui-wildfires
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 14, 2023, 01:40:19 pm
 TV crew with Oprah turned away from shelter housing Maui fire survivors during media mogul’s visit
By David Propper   
August 14, 2023 1:38am

A camera crew that was accompanying Oprah Winfrey as she visited Maui wildfire survivors inside a Hawaii shelter Sunday was turned away at the door due to a no-media policy inside, officials said.

The famous television host and media mogul helped raise the spirits of Maui residents at the War Memorial Complex without the cameras capturing the moment due to the ongoing policy by county officials.

Winfrey, who lives on the Hawaiian island part-time, has made multiple trips to comfort those impacted by the raging fires that have killed nearly 100 people and destroyed or damaged over 2,000 structures.

“Oprah was able to visit our shelter and we thank her for instructing media journalists and camera crews to remain outside,” the County of Maui wrote on Facebook. “We welcome Oprah to continue to uplift our community’s spirit and give her aloha to victims of the tragic disaster.

“Her visit inside of the shelter today was truly heartwarming and we appreciate her understanding of our policy of having no camera crews or reporters accompanying dignitaries and celebrities in our emergency shelters.”

(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/08/Screen-Shot-2023-08-14-at-10504-AM.jpg?quality=75&strip=all)
A camera crew following Oprah Winfrey was turned away trying to gain access to Maui wildfire survivors inside a Hawaii shelter.

more
https://nypost.com/2023/08/14/tv-crew-with-oprah-turned-away-from-shelter-housing-maui-fire-survivors-during-media-moguls-visit/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: PeteS in CA on August 14, 2023, 01:54:23 pm
The hurricane was not over Hawai'i, but it still affected winds in the islands.

I wonder if enviro-regs forbade people in rural areas from creating fire breaks around their homes and other otherwise common sense measures.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DB on August 14, 2023, 02:36:13 pm
So now they're suing the power companies for not turning off the power when the high winds came... Welcome to California... Either the legislator/governor does something about these lawsuits or their power is going third world. Pick one.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 14, 2023, 03:24:28 pm
When the wind is blowing at 60+ mph, the fire can spread at near that rate. It's a fire storm of destruction. You can't fight it. You can only get out of the way.
Actually, they can move faster. Embers in the vicinity of the flame front are carried aloft by convection and can come down miles ahead of the fire front on the ground, creating a leapfrog effect. The new fires eventually merge with the parent fire, but proceed with the wind as new flame fronts. This is a hazard for those fighting or just trying to escape the fire, as it can cut off routes of escape.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Kamaji on August 14, 2023, 03:27:15 pm
Actually, they can move faster. Embers in the vicinity of the flame front are carried aloft by convection and can come down miles ahead of the fire front on the ground, creating a leapfrog effect. The new fires eventually merge with the parent fire, but proceed with the wind as new flame fronts. This is a hazard for those fighting or just trying to escape the fire, as it can cut off routes of escape.

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DB on August 14, 2023, 04:08:45 pm
Actually, they can move faster. Embers in the vicinity of the flame front are carried aloft by convection and can come down miles ahead of the fire front on the ground, creating a leapfrog effect. The new fires eventually merge with the parent fire, but proceed with the wind as new flame fronts. This is a hazard for those fighting or just trying to escape the fire, as it can cut off routes of escape.

It can move faster than a 60 MPH wind that is carrying those embers?

Yes, the fire can leapfrog miles at a time. With 60 MPH winds, that's a mile a minute. But it still takes the wind to move those embers miles laterally over a short time. Otherwise the embers just rise up and slowly drop as they cool which is a far greater distance to travel taking more time.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: GtHawk on August 14, 2023, 04:13:56 pm
You would think during a hurricane, it wouldn’t be such a nice sunny day.

Those posts should withstand 90m+ winds since the islands are prone to hurricanes.
Maui fires were provoked. Prove me otherwise.
This and dry hydrants... Infrastructure failure.
https://www.usasupreme.com/video-that-was-taken-right-before-the-hawaii-fires-started-seems-to-show-what-caused-the-wild-fires/
Maybe because Maui wasn't hit by the hurricane.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: GtHawk on August 14, 2023, 04:18:21 pm
TV crew with Oprah turned away from shelter housing Maui fire survivors during media mogul’s visit
By David Propper   
August 14, 2023 1:38am

A camera crew that was accompanying Oprah Winfrey as she visited Maui wildfire survivors inside a Hawaii shelter Sunday was turned away at the door due to a no-media policy inside, officials said.

The famous television host and media mogul helped raise the spirits of Maui residents at the War Memorial Complex without the cameras capturing the moment due to the ongoing policy by county officials.

Winfrey, who lives on the Hawaiian island part-time, has made multiple trips to comfort those impacted by the raging fires that have killed nearly 100 people and destroyed or damaged over 2,000 structures.

“Oprah was able to visit our shelter and we thank her for instructing media journalists and camera crews to remain outside,” the County of Maui wrote on Facebook. “We welcome Oprah to continue to uplift our community’s spirit and give her aloha to victims of the tragic disaster.

“Her visit inside of the shelter today was truly heartwarming and we appreciate her understanding of our policy of having no camera crews or reporters accompanying dignitaries and celebrities in our emergency shelters.”

(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/08/Screen-Shot-2023-08-14-at-10504-AM.jpg?quality=75&strip=all)
A camera crew following Oprah Winfrey was turned away trying to gain access to Maui wildfire survivors inside a Hawaii shelter.

more
https://nypost.com/2023/08/14/tv-crew-with-oprah-turned-away-from-shelter-housing-maui-fire-survivors-during-media-moguls-visit/
Oprah gets points for going and helping the survivors, then loses the points for trying to record her with the survivors to score celebrity points.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 14, 2023, 06:23:44 pm
It can move faster than a 60 MPH wind that is carrying those embers?

Yes, the fire can leapfrog miles at a time. With 60 MPH winds, that's a mile a minute. But it still takes the wind to move those embers miles laterally over a short time. Otherwise the embers just rise up and slowly drop as they cool which is a far greater distance to travel taking more time.
That 60 MPH is on the ground. Winds aloft are often faster.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DB on August 14, 2023, 06:25:08 pm
That 60 MPH is on the ground. Winds aloft are often faster.

No argument there - but is still wind driven.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 14, 2023, 06:31:13 pm
Oprah gets points for going and helping the survivors, then loses the points for trying to record her with the survivors to score celebrity points.
Did she hand out any trinkets? "You get a car! And you get a car!"
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 14, 2023, 06:32:37 pm
 'Utter chaos Maui residents say they are being looted, 'robbed at gunpoint' as wildfires rage

“When your children and [you] are here starving after almost burning to death and the police won’t let people drive in to give you necessities, you may turn to desperate measures,” a resident said.

Some Maui residents say they have been looted and robbed at gunpoint while catastrophic wildfires rage on the island — leaving them begging for a greater response from authorities as thieves make off with vital supplies.

As rescue crews work to deliver necessities such as water, food, and first aid to those in need, locals say some residents have grown so desperate waiting for help that they’ve resorted to stealing.

West Maui residents blame the robberies in Lahaina on the fact that they feel abandoned without supplies or answers.

Jeremy Aganos, who owns the restaurant Coconut Caboose — one of the few buildings that survived the fires on Front Street in Lahaina — told KITV it was “utter chaos” for people trying to find food, water and shelter.

An Oregon resident told the outlet that their relative flew into Maui to donate water, food, household items and clothing — only to be robbed at gunpoint soon after his arrival.

The startling uptick in crime has left residents slamming local leadership for its inaction in the wake of the catastrophic fires, which have become the deadliest in the US in more than a century as nearly 100 people have been reported dead so far.

“There’s some police presence. There’s some small military presence. But at night, people are being robbed at gunpoint,” Matt Robb, co-owner of a bar in Lahaina called the Dirty Monkey, told Insider.

more
https://nypost.com/2023/08/14/maui-residents-claim-people-being-looted-robbed-at-gunpoint/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: cato potatoe on August 14, 2023, 06:45:20 pm
When the wind is blowing at 60+ mph, the fire can spread at near that rate. It's a fire storm of destruction. You can't fight it. You can only get out of the way.

I have to wonder if it moved quite so fast in the residential area.  It started a mile up Lahainaluna Rd that morning, then restarted mid afternoon.  Front street was in flames by early evening.  In any event they could have evacuated when the morning fire started.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 14, 2023, 06:50:35 pm
I have to wonder if it moved quite so fast in the residential area.  It started a mile up Lahainaluna Rd that morning, then restarted mid afternoon.  Front street was in flames by mid evening.  In any event they could have evacuated when the morning fire started.

A man-in-the-street interviewed on FNC said the fire went from the Mountain (hill) down into the city in 30 minutes.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 14, 2023, 07:55:25 pm
johnny maga
@_johnnymaga

If 100 Ukrainians were killed by a Russian drone strike, there’d be an emergency presser & Anthony Blinken would be on the next flight to Europe with a check

Hawaii currently looks like Fukushima & Biden can’t even cut his beach trip short

Quote
Justin Sink
@justinsink
·20h

After a couple hours on the Rehoboth beach, @potus was asked about the rising death toll in Hawaii

“No comment,” he said before heading home

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3cl51QWUAAoWDl?format=jpg&name=900x900)

9:58 PM · Aug 13, 2023
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on August 15, 2023, 01:29:05 pm
Death toll at 99 with only 25% of the burn area searched.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 15, 2023, 02:34:27 pm
Will Cain, of FOX, tweets:

Will Cain
@willcain
I’m in West Maui. Service is rough. Hard to post. But we’re putting together stories of incredible citizens stepping up where the government has failed. And at Napili Plaza someone from the Mayor Richard Bissen’s office tries to shut me down saying West Maui is a media free zone. No sir, this is America.
10:18 PM · Aug 14, 2023

Will Cain
@willcain
Right now I am nowhere near search and rescue. I’m twelve miles from Lahaina. How is the entire West Side a media free zone? Is it no longer America? Constitution has been suspended?
10:18 PM · Aug 14, 2023

Will Cain
@willcain
We believe we are the only national media in West Maui. I haven’t see any other crews. And they tried to censor us and shut us down. “West Maui is a media free zone.”  We only got through the checkpoints because I’m a property owner in West Maui. They have this place on info lockdown from Waihee to Maalaea.
9:32 AM · Aug 15, 2023

To be clear, there have been MANY amazing citizen journalists and local news like @MauiNOW is great.  But when you attempt to control information you sow the seed of conspiracy theory. You know a resource that’s missing in Maui: information.
9:41 AM · Aug 15, 2023

Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Wingnut on August 15, 2023, 03:05:42 pm
This is bigger than Pearl Harbor

No one ever said about a Dem Run State heading up a disaster.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 15, 2023, 03:09:16 pm
Death toll at 99 with only 25% of the burn area searched.

I wonder how many perished after jumping in the ocean to escape the flames.  Bodies should begin washing up on shore.  Many bodies will not because they were swept to sea in the Hurricane force winds.

It appears likely there will be hundreds unaccounted for.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DB on August 15, 2023, 04:26:18 pm
I wonder how many perished after jumping in the ocean to escape the flames.  Bodies should begin washing up on shore.  Many bodies will not because they were swept to sea in the Hurricane force winds.

It appears likely there will be hundreds unaccounted for.

Does the water get deep quickly there? From the news footage I don't recall seeing beaches in that area where people were jumping in. Also, the wind was blowing the fire towards the sea so those who jumped in were also being blown away from shore. Surface water was also likely moving away from shore with the wind.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 15, 2023, 04:30:52 pm
Does the water get deep quickly there? From the news footage I don't recall seeing beaches in that area where people were jumping in. Also, the wind was blowing the fire towards the sea so those who jumped in were also being blown away from shore. Surface water was also likely moving away from shore with the wind.

That is what I think, too. 
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: American Girl on August 15, 2023, 04:51:54 pm
Crisis Actor
What are the odds?
No, seriously.  What are they?

If this guy ever becomes police chief in your town it’s time to move. Everywhere he goes there’s a mass casualty incident. He’s had numerous complaints filed against him in Maui and has a clearance with the FBI which we all know is a weaponized agency riddled with corruption.
https://defiantamerica.com/coincidence-maui-police-chief-john-pelletier-also-served-as-incident-commander-during-deadliest-mass-shooting-in-modern-u-s-history-video/

Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Mod2 on August 15, 2023, 05:52:20 pm
Threads merged
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: NavyCanDo on August 16, 2023, 01:08:35 am
Front Street had a number of Jewelers. Extremely expensive stones in the windows that my wife and mother-in-law would stand and drool over.    Wonder if these properties are being protected from looters.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Hoodat on August 16, 2023, 01:13:16 am
https://twitter.com/Resist_05/status/1691282419780046848
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: NavyCanDo on August 16, 2023, 01:32:36 am
Does the water get deep quickly there? From the news footage I don't recall seeing beaches in that area where people were jumping in. Also, the wind was blowing the fire towards the sea so those who jumped in were also being blown away from shore. Surface water was also likely moving away from shore with the wind.

Being blown off shore explains why some were in the water for hours.   Add to that it was at night.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Wingnut on August 16, 2023, 01:45:11 am
I watched Magnum PI so I am an expert on those waters.  If you stay close to shore you won't get taken to the open sea by the Kiholo express,
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on August 16, 2023, 01:47:38 am
I watched Magnum PI so I am an expert on those waters.  If you stay close to shore you won't get taken to the open sea by the Kiholo express,

This definitely seems reliable.  I'd go with it.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 16, 2023, 01:03:38 pm
Hawaii Wildfire Death Toll Hits 100+ as Biden Flags a Visit ‘Soon’

The human toll in the cataclysmic wildfire that destroyed a Hawaiian town reached 106 on Tuesday as President Joe Biden said he will travel to the devastated area “soon” while offering “thoughts and prayers” alongside assistance for survivors.

https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2023/08/16/hawaii-wildfire-death-toll-hits-100-as-biden-flags-a-visit-soon/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 16, 2023, 01:12:37 pm
CNN’s Weir: ‘We Haven’t Seen’ Promised Relief Efforts in Hawaii, ‘We’ve Got Guys Putting out Fires with Bottled Water’

Ian Hanchett 15 Aug 2023

On Tuesday’s broadcast of CNN’s “AC360,” CNN Chief Climate Correspondent Bill Weir reported from Kula, Hawaii and said that despite talk that “the cavalry’s coming,” “we’ve got guys putting out fires with bottled water and volunteers in helicopters, in this neighborhood, at least at the moment,” and that over the weekend, he “didn’t see a single person in uniform” other than cops working checkpoints, and he hasn’t seen the relief efforts from the military where he is.

Weir said, “Well, this is really fascinating, Anderson, a dramatic scene just played out here. We’re in the Kula neighborhood, this is miles away from Lahaina, which you know is on the — right on the beach town. This is up country as they call it here, up in the mountains where several hundred homes have burned. But we just witnessed, you see these bottle of — bottled water drop-offs people are having here. We just witnessed a couple of — three guys from Oahu who had flown over here as volunteers who were taking that water and hiking through the brush and putting out actually active hot spots over there that are flaring up right now. These are — this fire is only 60% contained and there are these little leftover fires from last week up in these canyons. Just as they were fighting a fire with bottled water, basically, a private helicopter came, saw them, and dropped a big bucket of water right on that hot spot. So, this is the response. I know we’re talking — we were hearing that, a week into this, the cavalry’s coming, but we’ve got guys putting out fires with bottled water and volunteers in helicopters, in this neighborhood, at least at the moment, Anderson.”

Host Anderson Cooper then asked, “So, are you seeing federal aid? Are you seeing — I mean, FEMA, are they on the ground? How many military personnel are on the ground? What sort of — what kind of an organized response have you seen?”

Weir answered, “Well, I’ve got to tell you — and we’ve both covered a lot of these things — I spent all weekend with just citizen first responders setting up these relief pods in neighborhoods, and didn’t see a single person in uniform. The only Maui County officials we saw were the cops working the checkpoints, as well, and here we are, I was expecting to see some Humvees, maybe some helicopters today, still haven’t. Now, that doesn’t mean they’re not out there. The Pentagon says today there are six new missions launching from the Army command here in the Pacific, all kinds of relief efforts that they’ve got Coast Guard and military personnel fighting fires, but honestly, we haven’t seen it. The locals here are shocked that they’re putting out fires in their backyards while they’re cutting down burned trees and are surprised that the road is still open the way it is.”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/08/15/cnns-weir-we-havent-seen-promised-relief-efforts-in-hawaii-weve-got-guys-putting-out-fires-with-bottled-water/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: libertybele on August 16, 2023, 01:23:02 pm
No relief efforts?  No one in uniform???  That's on the governor of Hawaii.  Unfortunately, FEMA is becoming a joke.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 16, 2023, 01:23:15 pm
Per Fox..Biden will *visit* Monday...
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 16, 2023, 01:24:49 pm
No relief efforts?  No one in uniform???  That's on the governor of Hawaii.  Unfortunately, FEMA is becoming a joke.

The Gov should call out the Nat'l Guard.....this is unbelievable!
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 16, 2023, 02:23:23 pm
Per Fox..Biden will *visit* Monday...
Despite his promise to East Palestine, Ohio, he still hasn't visited there.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 16, 2023, 02:30:23 pm
Despite his promise to East Palestine, Ohio, he still hasn't visited there.

Well he flew over it yesterday... :shrug:
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 16, 2023, 02:40:06 pm
Water rights...Maui is an island can't they use sea water to put out fires?



August 16, 2023
Report: State official refused to release water to fight Lahaina fire until too late
By Thomas Lifson

The website Civil Beat covers Hawaiian politics, and is funded by lefty billionaire Pierre Omidyar, so keep that in mind as you read this explosive allegation from writer Stewart Yerton:

    With wildfires ravaging West Maui on Aug. 8, a state water official delayed the release of water that landowners wanted to help protect their property from fires. The water standoff played out over much of the day and the water didn’t come until too late.

    The dispute involved the Department of Land and Natural Resources’ water resource management division and West Maui Land Co., which manages agricultural and residential subdivisions in West Maui as well as Launiupoko Irrigation Co., Launiupoko Water Co., Olowalu Water Co. and Ha’iku Town Water Association.

    DLNR delayed releasing water requested by West Maui Land Co. to help prevent the spread of fire, sources familiar with the situation said.

    Specifically, according to accounts of four people with knowledge of the situation, M. Kaleo Manuel, a Native Hawaiian cultural practitioner and DLNR’s deputy director for water resource management, initially balked at West Maui Land Co.’s requests for additional water to help prevent the fire from spreading to properties managed by the company.

    According to the sources, Manuel wanted West Maui Land to get permission from a taro, or kalo, farm located downstream from the company’s property. Manuel eventually released water but not until after the fire had spread. It was not clear on Monday how much damage the fire did in the interim or whether homes were damaged.

    Democrat Governor John Green promises an investigation in this and other issues with the official response, and noted:

    …the governor said conflicts over water are being reshaped in an age of climate change and wildfires. Now the conflict includes opponents who do not want water to be used to fight fires, the governor said.

    “One thing that people need to understand especially those from far away is that there’s been a great deal of water conflict on Maui for many years,” Green said. “It’s important that we’re honest about this. People have been fighting against the release of water to fight fires. I’ll leave that to you to explore.”


Two state senators from Maui submitted a bill in 2022 “to push DLNR to allow fresh water to be used to fight fires and pointed to West Maui as being particularly vulnerable.”

The bill died without a hearing.

In Hawaii, the underlying issue is Native Hawaiians’ discontent with the takeover of their homeland by outsiders, and this extends to issues of land ownership and water rights, as well as many other facets of life.

To the same or even greater extent than California, Hawaii is a one-party state run by Democrats. Its governmental units are not known for their competence or efficiency.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/08/report_state_official_refused_to_release_water_to_fight_lahaina_fire_until_too_late.html
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 16, 2023, 05:33:39 pm
Only five of the 106 dead in Maui have been identified because the remains are unrecognizable, Hawaii’s governor says
Story by By Nouran Salahieh, CNN •

Identifying those killed in the Maui wildfires will be very difficult and likely take weeks, Hawaii’s governor said Tuesday as the death toll climbed to 106 and families desperately waiting to hear about lost loved ones were asked to provide DNA samples.

A genetics team will help identify victims, Hawaii Gov. Josh Green told CNN, as around 185 search and rescue workers and 20 cadaver dogs continued to comb through the ashes of homes and businesses incinerated by the deadliest US wildfire in more than a century.

“This is much like you see in a war zone or what we saw with 9/11,” Green said on “The Source with Kaitlan Collins.”

Identification is challenging because remains are largely unrecognizable and fingerprints are rarely being found, Green said. Investigators need to develop DNA profiles from the remains and hopefully find matches, including from any DNA provided by relatives of the missing, officials have said.

“We’re asking all of our loved friends and family in the area who have any concern to go get swabbed at the family support center so that we can match people genetically,” the governor said.

more w/ must watch video
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/only-five-of-the-106-dead-in-maui-have-been-identified-because-the-remains-are-unrecognizable-hawaii-s-governor-says/ar-AA1fkxAU
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 16, 2023, 05:35:40 pm
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/residents-unite-to-rebuild-after-wildfire/vi-AA1fkcDp?t=78
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Hoodat on August 16, 2023, 06:49:41 pm
CNN’s Weir: ‘We Haven’t Seen’ Promised Relief Efforts in Hawaii, ‘We’ve Got Guys Putting out Fires with Bottled Water’

Duh, that's because Democrats are in charge.  This should be old hat to you by now.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Hoodat on August 16, 2023, 06:53:07 pm
The Gov should call out the Nat'l Guard.....this is unbelievable!

The Governor is busily occupied with parceling up the new land he'll be taking over through eminent domain.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: cato potatoe on August 16, 2023, 07:22:08 pm
Behold, an entire “state” governed worse than a blue city.  They were too cheap to bury the power lines, and too foolish to collect the mountain rains.  Cross your fingers Oahu is never struck by a hurricane.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 17, 2023, 12:03:51 am
Report: Children Feared to Be a ‘Large Number’ of the Dead in Maui

Kristina Wong 16 Aug 2023

As officials continue identifying the number of dead from the Maui fires last week, children are feared to be a “large number” of the victims.

According to the Wall Street Journal, Hawaii State Representative Elle Cochran expects that the final death toll will be “at least several hundred people,” and that a “large portion of the deceased” might turn out to be children.

The paper reported that schools in and around Lahaina canceled classes when power went out earlier that morning, and that many families in the largely working-class community left their children at home or with older relatives while they went to work.

The story echoed a chilling unverified social media post that had been circulating among social media last week, as Americans began to learn of the devastation of the fires that began on the island last Tuesday.

Jessica Sill, a kindergarten teacher at Lahaina’s King Kamehameha III Elementary School, told the paper, “Our parents work one, two, three jobs just to get by and they can’t afford to take a day off.”

“Without school, there was nowhere for [kids] to go that day,” she said, adding that two of her former students lost a seven-year-old cousin, who was found alongside his family in a burned-out car.

Maui officials did not respond to requests for comment from the WSJ.

The paper did not identify the seven-year-old killed, but Hawaii News Now on August 13 reported that a family of four were found dead in a burned-out car near their home.

The outlet identified the victims as Faaso and Malui Fonua Tone, their daughter Salote Takafua, and her son, Tony Takafua.

The family issued a statement that said, “On behalf of our family, we bid aloha to our beloved parents, Faaso and Malui Fonua Tone, as well as our dear sister Salote Takafua and her son, Tony Takafua. The magnitude of our grief is indescribable, and their memories will forever remain etched in our hearts.”

So far, authorities have reported 106 confirmed dead, with less than a third of Lahaina searched.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/16/report-children-feared-to-be-a-large-number-of-the-dead-in-maui/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Hoodat on August 17, 2023, 03:19:55 am
The paper reported that schools in and around Lahaina canceled classes when power went out earlier that morning, and that many families in the largely working-class community left their children at home or with older relatives while they went to work.

I haven't closely followed this story.  Was the power outage connected to the fire?
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on August 17, 2023, 11:51:31 am
I haven't closely followed this story.  Was the power outage connected to the fire?

Maui wildfires death toll climbs to 111, as focus turns to downed power lines

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2023/08/17/maui-wildfires-death-toll-110-power-lines/5371692239302/

Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: cato potatoe on August 17, 2023, 12:23:22 pm
This person documented the conditions immediately prior to the fire, and during his escape.  I am guessing these winds are downsloping (bone dry), ~40 mph sustained, with gusts over 60.  There was damage to power lines on Front Street.  It's hard to understand why they did not switch off the power until the worst had subsided.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-KYfmH6_kw
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: American Girl on August 17, 2023, 01:17:31 pm
I recall a lot of Germans following the “powers that be” in the 1930s and 1940s.
Absolutely disgraceful.
Starting to wonder,
If there are more than meets
The eye going on here.
https://www.usasupreme.com/powers-that-be-responsible-new-footage-from-maui-fire-ground-zero-shows-hawaii-police-officer-shutting-down-citizen-donation-center-for-fire-victims/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 17, 2023, 01:24:34 pm
 Videos might show start of the Maui wildfire: Engulfed ‘in a matter of minutes’
By Olivia Land   
August 16, 2023 4:53pm

Dramatic, newly released videos show the moment a downed power line in Maui may have played a part in sparking the deadliest US wildfire in more than a century.

Shane Treu, 49, filmed flames coming from a wooden power pole that snapped under high winds early Aug. 8 — just hours before the wildfire that has killed more than 100 people was confirmed as taking hold in now-devastated Lahaina.

“I heard ‘buzz, buzz’ … It was almost like somebody lit a firework,” the resort worker recalled of the live line sizzling and popping on dry grass outside his home.

“It just ran straight up the hill to a bigger pile of grass and then, with that high wind, that fire was blazing,” he said.

“In a matter of minutes, that whole place was just engulfed.”

Treu filmed three Facebook Live videos from about 6:40 a.m., starting with him trying to battle the blaze with a hose and then warning arriving emergency services about the live power line in the road.

(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/08/NYPICHPDPICT000022218524.jpg?quality=75&strip=all)

more
https://nypost.com/2023/08/16/videos-possibly-show-start-of-the-devastating-maui-wildfire/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 17, 2023, 02:25:04 pm
Forensic expert who helped return 9/11 victims' remains to families heads to Maui to identify at least 110 killed by firestorm - and says process could take YEARS because bodies were incinerated

    Forensic anthropologist Dr. Robert Mann is director of the Forensic Science Academy at the Central Identification Laboratory on Oahu, Hawaii
    Mann is set to arrive on Maui on Thursday to assist with efforts to identify victims of last week's wildfires
    Mann runs the largest forensic skeletal lab in the world and has worked on cases involving Jeffrey Dahmler's victims, Vietnam war dead and 9/11

By Harriet Alexander For Dailymail.com

Published: 19:33 EDT, 16 August 2023 | Updated: 07:59 EDT, 17 August 2023

A forensic expert who gained fame identifying remains of 9/11 victims and those murdered by serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer will head to Maui to help ID remains from last week's deadly wildfires.

Dr. Robert Mann runs the Forensic Science Academy at the Central Identification Laboratory in Oahu, Hawaii, and is set to head to Maui on Thursday to help in identification efforts.

Mann's arrival comes as the death toll rises to 110, but the process of identifying the remains proves agonizingly slow - and Mann warned it could take years.

more
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12414797/Maui-forensic-anthropologist-robert-mann-dna.html
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 17, 2023, 03:35:24 pm
Hawaii Agency Accused of Delaying Release of Water to Protect Maui Property

A state water agency in Hawaii has been accused of delaying the release of water from a traditional farm that landowners reportedly wanted to use to protect their property as the Maui wildfire spread last week.

According to the Honolulu Civil Beat, the state Department of Land and Natural Resources (DLNR) initially refused a request from West Maui Land, a real estate development company, to provide water to protect properties that were at risk in the area.

Fingers have been pointed at one official in particular, M. Kaleo Manuel, DLNR’s deputy director for water resource management.

The Honolulu Civil Beat reported:

    With wildfires ravaging West Maui on Aug. 8, a state water official delayed the release of water that landowners wanted to help protect their property from fires. The water standoff played out over much of the day and the water didn’t come until too late.

    The dispute involved the Department of Land and Natural Resources’ water resource management division and West Maui Land Co., which manages agricultural and residential subdivisions in West Maui as well as Launiupoko Irrigation Co., Launiupoko Water Co., Olowalu Water Co. and Ha’iku Town Water Association.

    …

    According to the sources, Manuel wanted West Maui Land to get permission from a taro, or kalo, farm located downstream from the company’s property. Manuel eventually released water but not until after the fire had spread. It was not clear on Monday how much damage the fire did in the interim or whether homes were damaged.

more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/17/hawaii-agency-accused-of-delaying-release-of-water-to-protect-maui-property/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 17, 2023, 08:20:39 pm
Meet M. Kaleo Manuel, the official who refused to release water in Maui, contributing to up to 106 deaths. A Hawaiian Studies major, Kaleo prefers a traditional, holistic "One Water" approach where water is revered, not used. Water requires "true conversations about equity."
https://twitter.com/jeremykauffman/status/1691856782031815133
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Hoodat on August 17, 2023, 08:43:38 pm
Meet M. Kaleo Manuel, the official who refused to release water in Maui, contributing to up to 106 deaths. A Hawaiian Studies major, Kaleo prefers a traditional, holistic "One Water" approach where water is revered, not used. Water requires "true conversations about equity."

And there you have it.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: libertybele on August 17, 2023, 08:45:26 pm
Meet M. Kaleo Manuel, the official who refused to release water in Maui, contributing to up to 106 deaths. A Hawaiian Studies major, Kaleo prefers a traditional, holistic "One Water" approach where water is revered, not used. Water requires "true conversations about equity."
https://twitter.com/jeremykauffman/status/1691856782031815133

 22222frying pan :chairbang: :thud:
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 17, 2023, 10:32:28 pm
 7-year-old Maui boy burns to death in car alongside family while fleeing wildfires, one of many kids feared dead
By Snejana Farberov   
August 17, 2023 5:31pm

A 7-year-old Maui boy has been found burned to death along with his family inside an incinerated car – one of the many kids feared to be among at least 111 killed.

The harrowing loss was revealed by local kindergarten teacher Jessica Sill, who told the Wall Street Journal that she fears for students who may have been home alone during the deadliest US wildfire in more than a century because classes were canceled due to power outages.

Sill said two of her former students told her that they lost their 7-year-old cousin, who was found dead along with his relatives inside a burned-out car.

The dead boy’s name was not revealed, and it was not immediately clear if it was Tony Takafua, the 7-year-old boy previously identified as having burned to death in a car alongside his family as they tried to flee the flames.

So far, no children are among the first five victims officially identified out of at least 111 killed.

more
https://nypost.com/2023/08/17/7-year-old-maui-boy-burns-to-death-with-family-fleeing-fire/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 17, 2023, 10:34:51 pm
https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1692037772817621319
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 17, 2023, 10:47:59 pm
 How tech billionaires with property in Hawaii are responding to Maui wildfires
By Ariel Zilber   
August 17, 2023 12:05pm

The devastating wildfires that have ravaged Maui have prompted billionaire tech moguls who have bought wide swaths of property in Hawaii to pitch in with charitable donations to help rebuild the devastated town of Lahaina.

Amazon founder Jeff Bezos, Salesforce CEO Marc Benioff, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg, Oracle co-founder Larry Ellison, and PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel have all paid eight- and nine-figure sums to acquire land and property on the archipelago.

Bezos, who paid a reported $78 million for a 14-acre compound on Maui, has committed to the creation of a $100 million fund to help the island “get back on its feet,” his fiancée, Lauren Sanchez, wrote in a recent Instagram post.

Zuckerberg’s wife, Priscilla Chan, announced on Facebook that the couple was donating an unspecific amount of money.

The Chan-Zuckerberg Initiative, the charity founded by the couple, cut a check for $400,000 to the Hawaii Community Foundation’s Maui Strong Fund, according to Fortune.

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https://nypost.com/2023/08/17/how-tech-billionaires-who-own-owns-on-hawaii-are-giving-to-maui-wildfire-relief/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 17, 2023, 11:10:05 pm
 Biden refuses to answer questions about Maui trip as wildfire death toll hits 111: ‘No, not now’
By Steven Nelson   
August 17, 2023 3:07pm

President Biden refused to comment Thursday on the wildfire tragedy in Maui as the death toll on the Hawaiian island climbed to 111 — saying, “No, not now” when asked about his planned trip despite facing harsh criticism earlier this week for a similar remark.

“Can you tell us about your Hawaii trip, sir?” a reporter asked Biden under the wing of Air Force One in Scranton, Pa., before the president paid his respects to Ellen Casey, the mother of Sen. Bob Casey Jr. (D-Pa.) and widow of former Keystone State Gov. Bob Casey Sr.

“No, not now,” the 80-year-old president replied. “I’m going to be leaving and I’ll be there on Monday.”

“Why is it important that you go?” a reporter followed up.

Biden didn’t answer the second inquiry, instead saying “Thank you” as he turned away to end the exchange.

The president set off a media firestorm Sunday by saying “No comment” when asked about the deadliest US fire in more than a century as he left a Delaware beach.

Biden’s “No comment” drew widespread criticism because the job of president traditionally includes offering words of condolence and support in times of national tragedy.

more
https://nypost.com/2023/08/17/biden-skirts-question-about-maui-as-fire-death-toll-hits-111/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Hoodat on August 17, 2023, 11:20:02 pm
Tulsi Gabbard Blasts Biden-Harris Regime's Response to Maui Disaster (http://rumble.com/v38ijxs-former-hawaii-congresswoman-tulsi-gabbard-blasts-biden-harris-regimes-respo.html)
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 17, 2023, 11:46:36 pm
Tulsi Gabbard Blasts Biden-Harris Regime's Response to Maui Disaster (http://rumble.com/v38ijxs-former-hawaii-congresswoman-tulsi-gabbard-blasts-biden-harris-regimes-respo.html)
So the government response is even worse than we have been told.

Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on August 17, 2023, 11:54:55 pm
FJB!
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Polly Ticks on August 18, 2023, 12:32:23 am
https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1692037772817621319

Obama.  Pfffft. His foundation doesn't exactly have a stellar charity scorecard rating.

The company that I buy soap from in Hawaii has a link on their front page to a "Maui Strong" disaster relief page set up by Hawaii Community Foundation.  Per their webpage, "HCF will not be collecting a fee for donations to the Maui Strong Fund; 100 percent of the funds will be distributed for community needs."

https://www.hawaiicommunityfoundation.org/maui-strong (https://www.hawaiicommunityfoundation.org/maui-strong)
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 18, 2023, 12:52:44 am
Obama.  Pfffft. His foundation doesn't exactly have a stellar charity scorecard rating.

The company that I buy soap from in Hawaii has a link on their front page to a "Maui Strong" disaster relief page set up by Hawaii Community Foundation.  Per their webpage, "HCF will not be collecting a fee for donations to the Maui Strong Fund; 100 percent of the funds will be distributed for community needs."

https://www.hawaiicommunityfoundation.org/maui-strong (https://www.hawaiicommunityfoundation.org/maui-strong)

I will never send a dime to anything with the name "O'Bastard" on it, he'll steal it.  Your link sounds a lot better.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 18, 2023, 01:05:59 am
I will never send a dime to anything with the name "O'Bastard" on it, he'll steal it.  Your link sounds a lot better.
Yep. Clinton Foundation Mk II.

I am waiting to see how the Government tries to grab the funds the Maui Strong folks collect.

There seems to be a plan in this, to uproot generations long occupancies that would likely never have sold out, for pennies on the dollar, to sell to big money folks to develop for inane profit.
 
If enough very rich people move some place, the people who work in the service industry and trades can no longer afford to live there.

Either that, or for even a typically incompetent Democrat Government, this was far more FUBAR than usual.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 18, 2023, 03:20:06 am
DC_Draino
@DC_Draino

Resigns?

RESIGNS?!

How about *arrested* for negligent manslaughter of hundreds of men, women, and children

You had ONE job

Quote
Election Wizard
@ElectionWiz
·2h

BREAKING (AP) — Maui’s emergency services director resigns amid criticism for not using sirens to alert residents to killer wildfire.

9:40 PM · Aug 17, 2023
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 18, 2023, 03:24:06 am
DC_Draino
@DC_Draino

Didn’t cut the power to the electrical wires despite massive wind storm

Didn’t sound the fire alarms once the inferno started

Didn’t turn on major water supply to put the fires out

Biden keeps responding “No comment”

Won’t allow non-government supplies to reach desperate people

$700 per family while Ukraine gets $100B+

The more we learn about Hawaii, the more it reeks of incompetence at best and malevolence at worst

If I were a Hawaiian, I’d be enraged about what these people are doing to you

Rise up

9:56 PM · Aug 17, 2023
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 18, 2023, 01:35:59 pm
Maui Emergency Management Head Resigns After Questions of Not Sounding Alarm During Wildfires

Herman Andaya, the head administrator for the Maui Emergency Management Agency, resigned from his position just shortly after questions erupted about his handling of the wildfire disaster.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/17/maui-emergency-management-head-resigns-questions-not-sounding-alarm-wildfires/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 18, 2023, 01:39:43 pm
Hawaii State Sen.: ‘We Need FEMA to Come off that 30,000-Foot Cloud’ and Work with Locals, We’re Getting Ignored

Ian Hanchett 17 Aug 2023

On Thursday’s “CNN News Central,” Hawaii State Sen. Angus McKelvey (D), whose district includes Lahaina, stated that “we need FEMA to come off that 30,000-foot cloud, to come out of Honolulu, and actually be working with the community leaders at the hub level, like we’ve been doing.” And “We’re getting the requests and the information and feedback, we’re sending it up, and we’re not getting any kind of response. When decisions are made in D.C. and elsewhere, we don’t know about it,” and “there’s been no plan to be like, okay, what are we going to do to assess, open up, and perhaps create some kind of ability for people to get in, either stand up a business or recover what they want. We don’t know that.”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/08/17/hawaii-state-sen-we-need-fema-to-come-off-that-30000-foot-cloud-and-work-with-locals-were-getting-ignored/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 18, 2023, 01:41:13 pm
Jean-Pierre: FEMA ‘Doing Everything that They Can’ in Hawaii

On Thursday’s “CNN News Central,” White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre stated that FEMA is “doing everything that they can” in the wake of the fires in Hawaii. Jean-Pierre stated, “The president is going to continue to marshal a whole-of-government effort, approach, as he has done from day one, with having dozens of federal agencies and departments on the ground helping local partners and state partners get the assistance, the federal assistance that these survivors need. And this is incredibly important. This is something that the president takes very seriously. And you’ve heard from the FEMA administrator, there [are] more than 600 personnel — staffers on the ground. They’ve already provided $2.3 million of family assistance.”

more
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/08/17/jean-pierre-fema-doing-everything-that-they-can-in-hawaii/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Free Vulcan on August 18, 2023, 01:43:37 pm
But hey everybody we're still going to be voting Rat in '24 right?

Ok, just wanted to make sure.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 18, 2023, 02:08:42 pm
Aug 17, 2023 - Economy & Business
Electricity companies face calamity as climate warms
Nathan Bomey

    Power companies and grid operators increasingly risk financial calamity from natural disasters, with challenges intensified by operational hurdles, soaring costs and the effects of climate change.

Why it matters: The utility industry was once thought of as virtually impervious to financial disaster — a surefire investment bound to deliver steady returns.

    Yet tragedies like the deadly Maui wildfires have cast a spotlight on whether power companies are doing enough to protect the public. They also face growing risks from a warming climate that's creating unpredictable weather.

Driving the news: At least 110 people are dead in Maui, an estimated 1,300 are missing and more than 2,200 structures have been destroyed or damaged.

    Meanwhile, the shares of Hawaiian Electric Industries have dived, with the company accused of mismanaging the crisis, and possibly worsening it.

The big picture: A warming climate, plus decades of underinvestment in the electrical grid, is thrusting utilities into turbulent territory:

    *HEI suddenly faces lawsuits over accusations that its downed power lines triggered the cataclysmic wildfires that destroyed the town of Lahaina.
    *Several Texas power companies — including the state's oldest and largest electricity cooperative, Brazos Electric Power Cooperative — filed for bankruptcy protection after a ruthless winter storm pummeled Texas in early 2021.
    *California utility giant PG&E filed for bankruptcy protection in 2019, after one of its a nearly century-old transmission lines sparked the Camp Fire that killed some 85 people.

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https://www.axios.com/2023/08/17/maui-wildfires-hawaiian-electric
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 18, 2023, 03:24:07 pm
They also face growing risks from a warming climate that's creating unpredictable weather.  ***hair on fire
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Gefn on August 18, 2023, 03:28:25 pm
Does anyone know of any charities besides the Red Cross to help?
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 18, 2023, 03:30:49 pm
Does anyone know of any charities besides the Red Cross to help?
Samaritan's Purse is there. https://www.samaritanspurse.org/article/airlifting-relief-supplies-to-maui/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on August 18, 2023, 03:35:44 pm
Biden needs to declare his climate emergency. This has got to stop! ////00000////
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: cato potatoe on August 18, 2023, 04:04:16 pm
This looks worse by the day.  The fire progressed at 1 or 2 mph while the residents were stuck in their homes or a traffic jam, cooked alive, a short walk from the ocean.  We are 10 days out and their incompetent government still has not searched half of the burnt properties.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: deb on August 18, 2023, 04:06:33 pm
Does anyone know of any charities besides the Red Cross to help?

Mercury One is there too.

https://mercuryone.org/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: libertybele on August 18, 2023, 04:14:52 pm
Mercury One is there too.

https://mercuryone.org/

Awesome.  Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Hoodat on August 18, 2023, 04:19:16 pm
https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1692037772817621319

For those wondering about this:

In 2021, the Obama Foundation spent over one-fourth of its $160 million in donations on expenses.  Here are the top five salaries it paid out:

VALERIE JARRETT, DIRECTOR/CEO
$581,305

DAVID SIMAS, PRESIDENT
$545,890

ROBBIN COHEN, EVP, OPC, TECH. & STRATEGY
$495,877

CLARISSA PETERSON, SVP, PEOPLE
$316,800

MICHAEL STRAUTMANIS, EVP, CIVIC ENGAGEMENT
$315,312





Here is a good place to go to do research on charities and find out which ones pay out the most for what you are giving your money for:
  https://www.charitynavigator.org/


Here's a list of 26 charities for Maui relief:  https://www.charitynavigator.org/discover-charities/where-to-give/hawaii-fires-2023/

You won't find the Obama Foundation on that list.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Gefn on August 18, 2023, 04:23:29 pm
Samaritan's Purse is there. https://www.samaritanspurse.org/article/airlifting-relief-supplies-to-maui/

Thank you @mountaineer
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Hoodat on August 18, 2023, 04:23:31 pm
Mercury One:  https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/453929881

Samaritan's Purse:  https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/581437002
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Gefn on August 18, 2023, 04:24:35 pm
Mercury One is there too.

https://mercuryone.org/

Thank you @deb
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on August 18, 2023, 04:47:45 pm
This looks worse by the day.  The fire progressed at 1 or 2 mph while the residents were stuck in their homes or a traffic jam, cooked alive, a short walk from the ocean.  We are 10 days out and their incompetent government still has not searched half of the burnt properties.

I wonder if part of the problem is they are relying on cadaver dogs and they don't have very many?
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: libertybele on August 18, 2023, 04:58:23 pm
The fact that there are realtors offering $$ for people's land when they've lost everything is disgusting and despicable.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Hoodat on August 18, 2023, 05:05:26 pm
I wonder if part of the problem is they are relying on cadaver dogs and they don't have very many?

Isn't there some strict quarantine rule about bringing dogs to the island that applies to anyone not named Obama?
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on August 18, 2023, 05:16:54 pm
Isn't there some strict quarantine rule about bringing dogs to the island that applies to anyone not named Obama?

I think that is to stop rabies from coming in and applies to all pets. Cadaver dogs probably have updated health records and are also under stricter control so some of the quarantine could be bypassed. I am only guessing.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DB on August 18, 2023, 05:24:19 pm
The fact that there are realtors offering $$ for people's land when they've lost everything is disgusting and despicable.

This last Wednesday I discovered a lot I own was up for sale (in another state) - and I didn't list it... I got it delisted but I still have to check nearly daily to see if any of my property is up "for sale"... The world is rapidly descending into criminal chaos.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: libertybele on August 18, 2023, 05:35:17 pm
This last Wednesday I discovered a lot I own was up for sale (in another state) - and I didn't list it... I got it delisted but I still have to check nearly daily to see if any of my property is up "for sale"... The world is rapidly descending into criminal chaos.

I do the same thing; check the deed and title to make sure it's still in your name. 

Criminal chaos indeed!
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Kamaji on August 18, 2023, 05:41:33 pm
This last Wednesday I discovered a lot I own was up for sale (in another state) - and I didn't list it... I got it delisted but I still have to check nearly daily to see if any of my property is up "for sale"... The world is rapidly descending into criminal chaos.

Make sure you check the deeds to your properties as well.  There is a growing problem with title fraud/theft where a thief fraudulently transfers title to property he doesn't own, and then either mortgages it or sells it and absconds with the proceeds.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Gefn on August 18, 2023, 08:41:16 pm
Mercury One:  https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/453929881

Samaritan's Purse:  https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/581437002

Thank you @Hoodat

I always try to check Charity Navigator before I send money to a. charity I never heard of before. I got a letter from a pet charity the other day asking for a donation and when I checked them out they had the lowest rating possible on Charity Finder. They did not get my money and instead I sent some to the local shelter.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: GtHawk on August 18, 2023, 08:57:43 pm
For those wondering about this:

In 2021, the Obama Foundation spent over one-fourth of its $160 million in donations on expenses.  Here are the top five salaries it paid out:

VALERIE JARRETT, DIRECTOR/CEO
$581,305

DAVID SIMAS, PRESIDENT
$545,890

ROBBIN COHEN, EVP, OPC, TECH. & STRATEGY
$495,877

CLARISSA PETERSON, SVP, PEOPLE
$316,800

MICHAEL STRAUTMANIS, EVP, CIVIC ENGAGEMENT
$315,312





Here is a good place to go to do research on charities and find out which ones pay out the most for what you are giving your money for:
  https://www.charitynavigator.org/


Here's a list of 26 charities for Maui relief:  https://www.charitynavigator.org/discover-charities/where-to-give/hawaii-fires-2023/

You won't find the Obama Foundation on that list.
Have the Clintons put their bid in yet for donations? Just look what they did for the Haitians!
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Hoodat on August 18, 2023, 09:19:35 pm
Thank you @Hoodat

I always try to check Charity Navigator before I send money to a. charity I never heard of before. I got a letter from a pet charity the other day asking for a donation and when I checked them out they had the lowest rating possible on Charity Finder. They did not get my money and instead I sent some to the local shelter.

It's just a guide with some useful information.  MercuryOne must have had some hefty administrative costs getting people out of Afghanistan.  Their 85% score reflects that overhead which should be taken into consideration when looking for a charity to donate to.

A better guide may be the salaries of their top five officers:

SUZANNE M BOCK, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
$133,905

KYRA BEESON, DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS
$111,182

STEVE DULIN, TREASURER
$0

TIM BARTON, SECRETARY
$0

DAVID BARTON, BOARD PRESIDENT
$0



This is definitely a charity I would donate to.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 18, 2023, 09:48:57 pm
Quote
In 2021, the Obama Foundation spent over one-fourth of its $160 million in donations on expenses.  Here are the top five salaries it paid out:

VALERIE JARRETT, DIRECTOR/CEO
$581,305
It's comforting to know she landed on her feet.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Gefn on August 18, 2023, 10:14:29 pm
EXCLUSIVE: Maui wildfires death toll climbs to 480 locals claim, as Hawaii morgue workers run out of body bags and survivors are left to recover the charred remains of their loved ones


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12420893/Maui-wildfires-death-toll-update.html


(I can't even fathom this)
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 18, 2023, 10:34:33 pm
EXCLUSIVE: Maui wildfires death toll climbs to 480 locals claim, as Hawaii morgue workers run out of body bags and survivors are left to recover the charred remains of their loved ones


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12420893/Maui-wildfires-death-toll-update.html


(I can't even fathom this)
Sadly, I can.

Not only incompetence (at best) but a cover-up to boot.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 18, 2023, 10:35:01 pm
Quote
... “The Government, relief organizations, they're not doing anything.”

“We have the right to know what's going on. FEMA came here to help with the recovery [process] but we don't see them.”

We're only 100 miles from Oahu which has several military bases. Why is the response so lacking? Why are they doing so little? Why is nothing else being done?”  ...
Good question.

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1692643740899250197
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: goatprairie on August 18, 2023, 11:41:36 pm
Hawaii Agency Accused of Delaying Release of Water to Protect Maui Property

A state water agency in Hawaii has been accused of delaying the release of water from a traditional farm that landowners reportedly wanted to use to protect their property as the Maui wildfire spread last week.

According to the Honolulu Civil Beat, the state Department of Land and Natural Resources (DLNR) initially refused a request from West Maui Land, a real estate development company, to provide water to protect properties that were at risk in the area.

Fingers have been pointed at one official in particular, M. Kaleo Manuel, DLNR’s deputy director for water resource management.

The Honolulu Civil Beat reported:

    With wildfires ravaging West Maui on Aug. 8, a state water official delayed the release of water that landowners wanted to help protect their property from fires. The water standoff played out over much of the day and the water didn’t come until too late.

    The dispute involved the Department of Land and Natural Resources’ water resource management division and West Maui Land Co., which manages agricultural and residential subdivisions in West Maui as well as Launiupoko Irrigation Co., Launiupoko Water Co., Olowalu Water Co. and Ha’iku Town Water Association.

    …

    According to the sources, Manuel wanted West Maui Land to get permission from a taro, or kalo, farm located downstream from the company’s property. Manuel eventually released water but not until after the fire had spread. It was not clear on Monday how much damage the fire did in the interim or whether homes were damaged.

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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/17/hawaii-agency-accused-of-delaying-release-of-water-to-protect-maui-property/
That's what happens when you put local native "knowers" of magic practices to protect the land. In short, idiots in charge like Mr. Manuel.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Hoodat on August 19, 2023, 03:55:47 am
EXCLUSIVE: Maui wildfires death toll climbs to 480 locals claim, as Hawaii morgue workers run out of body bags and survivors are left to recover the charred remains of their loved ones


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12420893/Maui-wildfires-death-toll-update.html


(I can't even fathom this)

They ran out of body bags?  FEMA has know for days to expect over 1000 deaths.  They couldn't load body bags on a commercial transport and send them to Maui?
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 19, 2023, 01:37:54 pm
Quote
KanekoaTheGreat
@KanekoaTheGreat
JUST IN - An independent Maui company has unveiled new evidence suggesting that equipment failures in the power grid likely triggered multiple fires.

The data was collected through a network of smart sensors known as Ting, distributed to homeowners by insurers. These sensors, designed to spot electrical hazards at homes, also detect grid-wide issues in real time.

For example, on August 7th at 10:47 p.m., an explosion occurred near Maui Bird Conservation Center in Upcountry Maui. Soon after, flames appeared along the tree line.

Ting's data analysis showed that ten nearby sensors recorded a sudden voltage drop at that exact time—an unmistakable sign of a grid fault.

Such faults involve abnormal electric currents due to equipment failures, like transformer explosions, fallen power lines, or line contact. These faults, seen in the bird sanctuary explosion video, can cause sparks or arcs, potentially releasing molten metal fragments.

Within the same period, 78 sensors across the island identified 122 grid faults, mainly due to strong winds. ...
VIDEO and more:
https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1692635987371790691
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Gefn on August 19, 2023, 04:27:17 pm
I've gotten some emails from a few animal charities I support,  and they are all asking to donate to The Maui Human Society


https://www.mauihumanesociety.org
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: anubias on August 19, 2023, 04:31:48 pm
Wondering if anybody has heard from Emjay.  I see she hasn’t been here since May of 2020, but if anybody hears from her, please let me know.  She used to live on Maui and I assume she still does.

Thank you.

anubias
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 19, 2023, 06:04:09 pm
Wondering if anybody has heard from Emjay.  I see she hasn’t been here since May of 2020, but if anybody hears from her, please let me know.  She used to live on Maui and I assume she still does.

Thank you.

anubias

She got mad at us and left.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: anubias on August 19, 2023, 07:23:36 pm
She got mad at us and left.   :shrug:

Thank you, Cyber Liberty.  I hope she’s OK.  :/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Hoodat on August 20, 2023, 05:51:59 am
Thank you, Cyber Liberty.  I hope she’s OK.  :/

You should check in more often, @anubias
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 21, 2023, 02:17:42 pm
Owner of Lahaina 'miracle house' that was only one spared by devastating Maui wildfire shares secrets of how the $4M property survived

    Dora Atwater Millikin and her husband Dudley Long Millikin III own the $4million seaside Lahaina home that was left unscathed in the Maui wildfires
    The pristine white house with a red roof stands alone against a shoreline full of homes that were entirely incinerated by the devastating wildfire
    None of the renovations the Millikins made to their house were intended to fireproof the 100-year-old structure - but they ultimately saved it from ruin

By Sophie Mann For Dailymail.Com

Published: 13:07 EDT, 20 August 2023 | Updated: 09:59 EDT, 21 August 2023

Amid the rubble that is now Lahaina stands one seaside home, left untouched by the devastating fires that decimated the town on Maui.

The home's owners, Dora Atwater Millikin and her husband Dudley Long Millikin III, recently made relatively minor adjustments to the $4million house that may have been the keys to its preservation.

Aerial photos show the red-roofed home with a bright white façade still in seemingly pristine condition, against the grey-toned, ashen landscape by which it is surrounded. The fire's death toll is currently tallied at 114, with the number expected to continue rising.

'It's a 100 percent wood house so it's not like we fireproofed it or anything,' Dora told the LA Times.

But the couple did recently replace the asphalt roof with a heavy-gauge metal one, and cut down on foliage surrounding the home in order to reduce the risk of termites spreading to the house.

Atwater Millikin, 63, said none of the changes that were made were done with the idea of fireproofing in mind - but it was these changes that ultimately saved it from ruin.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/08/20/16/74529943-12426177-image-a-11_1692546637422.jpg)

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12426177/Owner-Lahaina-miracle-house-one-spared-devastating-Maui-wildfire-shares-secrets-property-survived.html#comments
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 21, 2023, 02:29:04 pm
Owner of Lahaina 'miracle house' that was only one spared by devastating Maui wildfire shares secrets of how the $4M property survived
The Q-following conspiracy theorists were convinced this one surviving house was proof that the fire was started by the government's targeted "DEWS," Direct Energy Weapons.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Kamaji on August 21, 2023, 02:31:26 pm
The Q-following conspiracy theorists were convinced this one surviving house was proof that the fire was started by the government's targeted "DEWS," Direct Energy Weapons.


:facepalm2:
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 22, 2023, 12:10:46 am
On the beach (one side relieved from heat, likely onshore wind right there with the fire drawing in air at its base) Lack of combustible material against the house. Metal roof (embers slide off, instead of 'stick' and ignite asphalt shingle roofing). Vacant lot next to the house would also reduce radiated/convected heat hitting the house. The street on another side also reduces that effect, and the trees in between look to be younger or well trimmed. Trees on the other exposed side, while appearing to be more mature, are well set back from the house, reducing the radiant heat from them, and the metal roof would keep embers that fall from igniting the roof.

 A fortuitous combination of factors, which, in concert may have saved the house. (Want to bet there is some blistered paint?)

Makes me wonder if they prayed, too?
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DB on August 22, 2023, 03:08:44 am
On the beach (one side relieved from heat, likely onshore wind right there with the fire drawing in air at its base) Lack of combustible material against the house. Metal roof (embers slide off, instead of 'stick' and ignite asphalt shingle roofing). Vacant lot next to the house would also reduce radiated/convected heat hitting the house. The street on another side also reduces that effect, and the trees in between look to be younger or well trimmed. Trees on the other exposed side, while appearing to be more mature, are well set back from the house, reducing the radiant heat from them, and the metal roof would keep embers that fall from igniting the roof.

 A fortuitous combination of factors, which, in concert may have saved the house. (Want to bet there is some blistered paint?)

Makes me wonder if they prayed, too?

Another biggie is attic vents. Vents that have large enough openings for embers to blow in are a major fire risk.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 22, 2023, 03:36:24 am
Another biggie is attic vents. Vents that have large enough openings for embers to blow in are a major fire risk.
True.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 22, 2023, 11:54:37 am
He's looking increasingly infirm. He doesn't bother returning salutes, I noticed.

Biden completes his fly-by in Maui and heads back to Lake Tahoe for more vacation
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1693816270897201188
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 22, 2023, 03:17:56 pm
FEMA officials are holed up at three five-star, $1,000-A-NIGHT luxury Maui hotels while they do nothing to search, rescue or recover diddly squat.
Quote
EXCLUSIVE: FEMA officials are staying at $1,000-a-night luxury hotels in Maui amid recovery efforts in Lahaina

    FEMA officials have been slammed by Maui locals for their slow response to the devastating wildfires that ripped through Lahaina earlier this month
    But DailyMail.com can reveal they are staying at three five-star hotels, Fairmont Kea Lani, Four Seasons, and the Grand Wailea Astoria, during recovery efforts
    Federal government rates for this week at all three resorts start at an eye-watering $1,000, company sources revealed

By James Franey In Maui For Dailymail.Com
Updated: 11:13 EDT, 22 August 2023

Bungling U.S. government bureaucrats dispatched to the Maui disaster zone are shacked up in $1,000-a-night luxury hotels on the Hawaiian island, DailyMail.com can reveal.

Officials from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) have been slammed by locals over their slow response to the devastating wildfires that have claimed at least 114 lives and left thousands of people homeless after their houses were scorched to the ground.

But that has not stopped the under-fire agency from splashing taxpayer cash to put up more than 1,000 of its personnel at four bank-breaking resorts in Wailea after the deadliest wildfire in the U.S. for more than a century that caused an estimated $5billion in damage. ...

FEMA teams have checked in at three five-star hotels, the Fairmont Kea Lani, Four Seasons, and the Grand Wailea Astoria where past guests include members of Hollywood's elite.

Their rooms carry price tags that are well out of reach of most hard-working Americans.

Federal government rates for this week at all three resorts start at an eye-watering $1,000, company sources told DailyMail.com. ...
More, plus photos, at Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12430203/FEMA-officials-staying-luxury-Maui-hotels.html)
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: cato potatoe on August 22, 2023, 05:04:50 pm
Is it odd that the death toll has been stuck on 114 for several days?  Hawaii.gov must hate its residents to keep them in the dark like this.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on August 22, 2023, 05:10:28 pm
Is it odd that the death toll has been stuck on 114 for several days?  Hawaii.gov must hate its residents to keep them in the dark like this.

I was wondering that myself.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Free Vulcan on August 22, 2023, 06:21:23 pm
FEMA officials are holed up at three five-star, $1,000-A-NIGHT luxury Maui hotels while they do nothing to search, rescue or recover diddly squat.More, plus photos, at Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12430203/FEMA-officials-staying-luxury-Maui-hotels.html)

They aren't even trying to live up to the old Reagan quote of 'We are the Govt and we're here to help'.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 22, 2023, 07:27:37 pm
Is it odd that the death toll has been stuck on 114 for several days?  Hawaii.gov must hate its residents to keep them in the dark like this.
I read somewhere it is actually well over 400, with some 800 still unaccounted for.

Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 22, 2023, 07:28:42 pm
They aren't even trying to live up to the old Reagan quote of 'We are the Govt and we're here to help'.
Yeah, the people so generously given a $700 check couldn't even stay one night with that.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 22, 2023, 08:05:52 pm
Yeah, the people so generously given a $700 check couldn't even stay one night with that.
They can't afford the $1,000 per night hotels in which a 1,000 or so FEMA bureaucrats are staying, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: libertybele on August 22, 2023, 08:08:35 pm
They can't afford the $1,000 per night hotels in which a 1,000 or so FEMA bureaucrats are staying, that's for sure.

Yet flippin' ILLEGALS are being given hotel rooms, food and medical for free in NY and I'm sure in other cities as well.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Hoodat on August 22, 2023, 11:37:28 pm
FEMA busy at work.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/08/22/13/74569827-12430203-Officials_from_the_Federal_Emergency_Management_Agency_FEMA_have-a-5_1692706635310.jpg)
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 23, 2023, 01:43:17 am
FEMA busy at work
It's 5 o'clock somewhere.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 23, 2023, 01:39:26 pm
FEMA: ‘We Still Expect Several More Days’ to Finish Maui Search

Ian Hanchett 22 Aug 2023

On Tuesday’s broadcast of CNN’s “Situation Room,” FEMA Administrator Deanne Criswell stated that the search of Maui’s burn zone is 87% finished, but it will take “several more days” for the search to be completed.

Criswell said, “I had an opportunity to get a full brief from our urban search and rescue teams that are on the ground in Maui. And while we’re 87% complete, where we find ourselves today is in an area that now requires some heavy equipment to go through the last bit of structures that have been burned to go in there and make sure that we are doing a thorough job in accounting for everybody that may have been perished in this fire. And so, we still expect several more days for these teams to continue to go through this area. But, again, we’re doing it very deliberately to make sure that we cover every square inch.”

She continued, “As we continue to work with the community and with the local officials, we already have everybody out of non-congregate sheltering. They’re all in either a hotel room or maybe an Airbnb or staying with family and friends. And we have a joint housing task force here on the island that’s made up of the state, supported with our federal partners and the American Red Cross, to talk through what these long-term solutions are going to be as people start to make decisions about what their next steps will be.”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/08/22/fema-we-still-expect-several-more-days-to-finish-maui-search/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: cato potatoe on August 23, 2023, 02:15:20 pm
I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but Hawaii is so insular and corrupt, this screams coverup.  It's an island.  Where did 1,100 people go?  Why were the police blocking the north exit when it was obvious the power lines were dead, and the entire line of traffic was going to incinerate?  Why was there inadequate water pressure, and no fire mitigation plan after the 2018 blaze nearly burned everything down?
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 23, 2023, 02:59:19 pm
Number of missing people after Maui wildfires increase to 1,110 as FBI plans to release list of names this week

    The Hawaiian island of Maui has increased the number of missing people from the Lahaina firestorm to 1,100
    The increase from 850 comes two weeks after deadly wildfires ravaged the island
    Maui police chief John Pelletier said authorities were refining the data and were hoping to publish a verified list of missing persons 'in the next few days'

By Stephen M. Lepore For Dailymail.Com

Updated: 07:25 EDT, 23 August 2023

The number of missing people in Maui has increased by 250 to 1,100 two weeks after deadly fires ravaged the island and left more than 115 people dead.

The fires were the deadliest to hit the United States in a century and search and rescue efforts have been slow.

Few of the dead have been publicly identified and crews have scoured the destruction to locate the missing. There is fear that as missing people are found, it will cause the death toll to rise further.

The tourist town of Lahaina, home to 12,000 people, was all but wiped off the map, with thousands of missing persons appearing on lists maintained by various organizations, including the police, Red Cross and shelters.

As of Tuesday, the FBI had counted 1,100 missing persons and is now working to collate and verify the data with a list to be released later this week, Special Agent Steven Merrill told reporters on Tuesday.

'We're cross-referencing all the lists so that we can determine who, in fact, truly is still unaccounted for,' Merrill said.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12435531/Maui-INCREASES-number-missing-people-1-100-following-Lahaina-firestorm-850-says-FBI-release-list-unaccounted-week.html?ico=authors_pagination_desktop
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 23, 2023, 03:03:56 pm
FEMA will get on it right after Happy Hour at their luxury hotels.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: catfish1957 on August 23, 2023, 03:05:13 pm
Root Cause?:

Another of many upcoming disasters where Maintenance and upkeep of Energy grid and lost out to the Climate Change Enviro- Whacko's- Agenda.  The same will be happening in the impending EV debacle.

These deaths are on those sons of bitches. I promise.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Bigun on August 23, 2023, 03:07:44 pm
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Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Bigun on August 23, 2023, 03:08:57 pm
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Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 23, 2023, 08:29:23 pm
According to a report by AP, the only road out of Lahaina was barricaded. Only those who disobeyed survived.
Quote
Associated Press (https://apnews.com/article/hawaii-fires-timeline-maui-lahaina-road-block-c8522222f6de587bd14b2da0020c40e9)
In deadly Maui fires, many had no warning and no way out. Those who dodged barricades survived
By REBECCA BOONE, HEATHER HOLLINGSWORTH, CLAUDIA LAUER and CHRISTOPHER L. KELLER
Updated 1:12 AM EDT, August 23, 2023

As flames tore through a West Maui neighborhood, car after car of fleeing residents headed for the only paved road out of town in a desperate race for safety.

And car after car was turned back toward the rapidly spreading wildfire by a barricade blocking access to Highway 30.

One family swerved around the barricade and was safe in a nearby town 48 minutes later, another drove their 4-wheel-drive car down a dirt road to escape. One man took an dirt road uphill, climbing above the fire and watching as Lahaina burned. He later picked his way through the flames, smoke and rubble to pull survivors to safety. ...

The lesson, as noted by Robby Starbuck on Twitter: Disobey orders you know to be corrupt, evil or stupid.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on August 23, 2023, 08:32:31 pm
WTH??
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: GtHawk on August 23, 2023, 08:44:54 pm
WTH??
Murder
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: catfish1957 on August 23, 2023, 10:38:51 pm
Murder
Dim sponsored and executed
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 23, 2023, 10:39:17 pm
Dim sponsored and executed
It's what they do.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 23, 2023, 10:47:53 pm
https://twitter.com/nicksortor/status/1694146907055272377
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 23, 2023, 10:51:19 pm
https://twitter.com/1Nicdar/status/1694317494293459367
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Wingnut on August 24, 2023, 02:58:50 pm
Murder

Land Grab. 
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Bigun on August 24, 2023, 03:00:55 pm
Land Grab.

Both! The first (murder) to facilitate the latter (land grab).
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Wingnut on August 24, 2023, 03:07:55 pm
Both! The first (murder) to facilitate the latter (land grab).

He'll put up the Josh Green Thruway on the Island to access the new beachfront condo's and unaffordable housing.  What'll that bleep think of next?
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: catfish1957 on August 24, 2023, 03:41:05 pm
Land Grab.

Bingo.

Urban Renewal Dimmycratic style.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 24, 2023, 06:01:15 pm
 Parents find remains of teen son hugging dead dog in Maui home destroyed by wildfire
By Ronny Reyes   
August 24, 2023 1:01pm

(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/08/NYPICHPDPICT000026701004.jpg?quality=75&strip=all)

Grieving parents found the body of their 14-year-old adopted son hugging his dead dog after the Maui wildfires — then carried him around half a mile to a police station to be confirmed among the dead.

Schoolboy Keyiro Fuentes had been home alone enjoying his last day of summer break when the deadliest US wildfires in a century started overwhelming his neighborhood in Lahaina, his mother, Luz Vargas, told CBS News.

The mom was working five miles away at the time — and unable to get home when she saw the smoke, despite begging cops to let her through their barriers.

When she and the rest of her family managed to search their home two days later, they found Keyiro’s charred body wrapped around his dead dog, the sobbing mom told CBS.

“He was not as I expected, in ashes,” she said of the body thought to have been preserved by the extreme heat.

“God maintained him like this. So, we knew it was him,” she said of her adopted son.

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https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/08/NYPICHPDPICT000026701004.jpg?quality=75&strip=all
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Idiot on August 24, 2023, 06:09:00 pm
Parents find remains of teen son hugging dead dog in Maui home destroyed by wildfire
By Ronny Reyes   
August 24, 2023 1:01pm

Grieving parents found the body of their 14-year-old adopted son hugging his dead dog after the Maui wildfires — then carried him around half a mile to a police station to be confirmed among the dead.

Schoolboy Keyiro Fuentes had been home alone enjoying his last day of summer break when the deadliest US wildfires in a century started overwhelming his neighborhood in Lahaina, his mother, Luz Vargas, told CBS News.

The mom was working five miles away at the time — and unable to get home when she saw the smoke, despite begging cops to let her through their barriers.

When she and the rest of her family managed to search their home two days later, they found Keyiro’s charred body wrapped around his dead dog, the sobbing mom told CBS.

“He was not as I expected, in ashes,” she said of the body thought to have been preserved by the extreme heat.

“God maintained him like this. So, we knew it was him,” she said of her adopted son.

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https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/08/NYPICHPDPICT000026701004.jpg?quality=75&strip=all
8888crybaby
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on August 24, 2023, 06:12:55 pm
I really have to question the death toll numbers. They found everybody in the first Week when only about 25% had been searched? Doesn't pass the smell test.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Bigun on August 24, 2023, 06:21:06 pm
8888crybaby

:yowsa: It's truly heartbreaking and I'm sure that isn't the only story like that. I hope the MFs responsible rot in hell!
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 24, 2023, 07:00:28 pm
:yowsa: It's truly heartbreaking and I'm sure that isn't the only story like that. I hope the MFs responsible rot in hell!

You don't understand!  Inanimate water has "equity!"
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: LadyLiberty on August 24, 2023, 07:35:13 pm
Parents find remains of teen son hugging dead dog in Maui home destroyed by wildfire
By Ronny Reyes   
August 24, 2023 1:01pm

(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/08/NYPICHPDPICT000026701004.jpg?quality=75&strip=all)

Grieving parents found the body of their 14-year-old adopted son hugging his dead dog after the Maui wildfires — then carried him around half a mile to a police station to be confirmed among the dead.

Schoolboy Keyiro Fuentes had been home alone enjoying his last day of summer break when the deadliest US wildfires in a century started overwhelming his neighborhood in Lahaina, his mother, Luz Vargas, told CBS News.

The mom was working five miles away at the time — and unable to get home when she saw the smoke, despite begging cops to let her through their barriers.

When she and the rest of her family managed to search their home two days later, they found Keyiro’s charred body wrapped around his dead dog, the sobbing mom told CBS.

“He was not as I expected, in ashes,” she said of the body thought to have been preserved by the extreme heat.

“God maintained him like this. So, we knew it was him,” she said of her adopted son.

more
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/08/NYPICHPDPICT000026701004.jpg?quality=75&strip=all

I saw another account of this story that said the mom tried to go home to get the boy out, but the police would not let her, saying that the area had already been cleared.  8888crybaby
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: deb on August 24, 2023, 08:12:25 pm
I saw another account of this story that said the mom tried to go home to get the boy out, but the police would not let her, saying that the area had already been cleared.  8888crybaby

I am in tears.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 24, 2023, 08:15:52 pm
I am in tears.

The boy's last thoughts were protecting his good dawg from harm.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Hoodat on August 25, 2023, 12:36:39 am
Grieving parents found the body of their 14-year-old adopted son hugging his dead dog after the Maui wildfires — then carried him around half a mile to a police station to be confirmed among the dead.

What in the hell are local government officials doing?  I thought they were supposed to be handling the search?
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DCPatriot on August 25, 2023, 01:31:34 am
What in the hell are local government officials doing?  I thought they were supposed to be handling the search?

@Hoodat

It's confusing to the casual follower because only 'early' photos showed that residences and or businesses shared common walls...and flammable roofs.

Later photos showed similar devastation but to single-family detached properties with driveways and yards...but noticing that EVERY rubber tire on the burned out vehicles were dissolved.

How does a fire get THAT hot, where humans are broiled alive before they even get a chance to run?
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 25, 2023, 01:53:04 am
@Hoodat

It's confusing to the casual follower because only 'early' photos showed that residences and or businesses shared common walls...and flammable roofs.

Later photos showed similar devastation but to single-family detached properties with driveways and yards...but noticing that EVERY rubber tire on the burned out vehicles were dissolved.

How does a fire get THAT hot, where humans are broiled alive before they even get a chance to run?
Think Firestorm. Dresden in miniature. It didn't need to be as big, the winds provided the blast furnace effect instead of sheer convection.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Kamaji on August 25, 2023, 10:29:34 am
Think Firestorm. Dresden in miniature. It didn't need to be as big, the winds provided the blast furnace effect instead of sheer convection.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 25, 2023, 07:43:32 pm
Maui County Sues Hawaiian Electric for Causing Wildfire Through Negligence

Maui County, the local government of the Hawaiian island that suffered a devastating wildfire earlier this month, sued the Hawaiian Electric Company (HECO) on Thursday, alleging it caused the blaze though negligence.

https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2023/08/25/maui-county-sues-hawaiian-electric-for-causing-wildfire-through-negligence/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on August 25, 2023, 07:45:31 pm
Maui County Sues Hawaiian Electric for Causing Wildfire Through Negligence

Maui County, the local government of the Hawaiian island that suffered a devastating wildfire earlier this month, sued the Hawaiian Electric Company (HECO) on Thursday, alleging it caused the blaze though negligence.

https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2023/08/25/maui-county-sues-hawaiian-electric-for-causing-wildfire-through-negligence/

Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DB on August 25, 2023, 09:10:12 pm
Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.

I guess, like California, they don't want reliable power there. They'll just turn off the power when the wind blows...
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 25, 2023, 09:12:57 pm
I guess, like California, they don't want reliable power there. They'll just turn off the power when the wind blows...
It's that or trim the bloody trees away from the lines.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DB on August 25, 2023, 09:17:57 pm
It's that or trim the bloody trees away from the lines.

When the winds are 60+ MPH, loose vegetation and/or trash blows into them period. If there's any fuel nearby it goes up in flames. Under those conditions you have to keep ALL the fuel cut way back to be effective. This country's standard of living is devolving...
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 25, 2023, 09:19:08 pm
When the winds are 60+ MPH, loose vegetation and/or trash blows into them period. If there's any fuel nearby it goes up in flames. Under those conditions you have to keep ALL the fuel cut way back to be effective. This country's standard of living is devolving...
If the trees were leaning on them to start, it takes a lot less to get the barbecue going.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DCPatriot on August 25, 2023, 09:20:13 pm
It's that or trim the bloody trees away from the lines.

Heard that the poles themselves are so rotted by termites, that a 60mph sustained wind would snap them all.

The poles caught fire and carried embers beyond.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DB on August 25, 2023, 09:36:46 pm
If the trees were leaning on them to start, it takes a lot less to get the barbecue going.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 26, 2023, 02:09:15 pm
Over 100 individuals reported missing in Maui confirmed alive, FBI says
The FBI remains committed to its missing persons search as hundreds remain unaccounted for
By Timothy H.J. Nerozzi Fox News
Published August 26, 2023 8:23am EDT

Dozens of individuals reported missing in the aftermath of Maui's devastating wildfire have been reported to be safe.

The FBI announced Friday that over a hundred individuals in Hawaii included just hours earlier on their list of missing persons were confirmed alive by themselves or loved ones.

"I don't want to lose sight of the fact that we still have hundreds of other names where we still need more information," FBI special agent Steven Merrill told the press Friday.

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https://www.foxnews.com/us/100-individuals-reported-missing-maui-confirmed-alive-fbi
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Hoodat on August 26, 2023, 03:59:02 pm
The FBI remains committed to its missing persons search as hundreds remain unaccounted for

In other words, the FBI jumped on board for a government-paid trip to Hawaii in $1,000 per night resorts.  Don't remember the FBI setting up camp in Plaquemine Parish, Louisiana searching for missing persons after Katrina.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: catfish1957 on August 26, 2023, 04:30:36 pm
In other words, the FBI jumped on board for a government-paid trip to Hawaii in $1,000 per night resorts.  Don't remember the FBI setting up camp in Plaquemine Parish, Louisiana searching for missing persons after Katrina.

In my role and job years ago,  I had emergency managment duties, and I will go on full record saying that the inability of the state and feds to establish a final head count within 12 days, is massively massively past any level of incompetence.   I can guarantee that there is a final dead and missing and presumed dead tally in place, and it is being withheld.

Something smells on this matter, and with a brain dead MSM having  no interest to embarass their dim masters, so we may never find out.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Bigun on August 26, 2023, 04:36:49 pm
Quote
"I'm with the government, and I am here to help"

Yeah! Right!  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: catfish1957 on August 26, 2023, 04:49:33 pm
Bears repeating that the root cause of this disaster was the blue state's obsession with building green energy infrastructure, and shifting to its capitalization instead of maintaing existing equipment.

This is a tightly held secret by the enviro-whackos, but if the truth is told, these enviro-whackos are complicit in murder of those poor victims in Lahaina.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DB on August 26, 2023, 04:51:46 pm
Bears repeating that the root cause of this disaster was the blue state's obsession with building green energy infrastructure, and shifting to its capitalization instead of maintaing existing equipment.

This is a tightly held secret by the enviro-whackos, but if the truth is told, these enviro-whackos are complicit in murder of those poor victims in Lahaina.

Same thing in California.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: catfish1957 on August 26, 2023, 04:53:42 pm
Same thing in California.

Yep, and level of potential loss of life is exponentially higher too.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DCPatriot on August 26, 2023, 04:54:33 pm
Bears repeating that the root cause of this disaster was the blue state's obsession with building green energy infrastructure, and shifting to its capitalization instead of maintaing existing equipment.

This is a tightly held secret by the enviro-whackos, but if the truth is told, these enviro-whackos are complicit in murder of those poor victims in Lahaina.

Unintended consequences @catfish1957

Nothing more.

I'm surprised a metal roofing company never saw the opportunity there.

May have saved hundreds of structures and the souls inside.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: catfish1957 on August 26, 2023, 04:57:35 pm
Unintended consequences @catfish1957

Nothing more.



Got your point, but  kind of like when a drunk driver runs over a child.  Unintended consequence, but still neglient homicide.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Bigun on August 26, 2023, 05:07:48 pm
Bears repeating that the root cause of this disaster was the blue state's obsession with building green energy infrastructure, and shifting to its capitalization instead of maintaing existing equipment.

This is a tightly held secret by the enviro-whackos, but if the truth is told, these enviro-whackos are complicit in murder of those poor victims in Lahaina.

 :yowsa:
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Bigun on August 26, 2023, 05:10:57 pm
Same thing in California.

 :yowsa:
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 26, 2023, 05:24:30 pm
Bare electrical wire and leaning poles on Maui were possible cause of deadly fires
By JENNIFER McDERMOTT, BERNARD CONDON and MICHAEL BIESECKER
Updated 11:46 AM EDT, August 26, 2023
Associated Press (https://apnews.com/article/hawaii-wildfires-maui-electricity-power-utilities-9f23f79821ea50256f0725ac9b0b3905?taid=64e9fad7ccc6300001e1018b&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter)

In the first moments of the Maui fires, when high winds brought down power poles, slapping electrified wires to the dry grass below, there was a reason the flames erupted all at once in long, neat rows -- those wires were bare, uninsulated metal that could spark on contact.

Videos and images analyzed by The Associated Press confirmed those wires were among miles of line that Hawaiian Electric Co. left naked to the weather and often-thick foliage, despite a recent push by utilities in other wildfire- and hurricane-prone areas to cover up their lines or bury them.

Compounding the problem is that many of the utility’s 60,000, mostly wooden power poles, which its own documents described as built to “an obsolete 1960s standard,” were leaning and near the end of their projected lifespan. They were nowhere close to meeting a 2002 national standard that key components of Hawaii’s electrical grid be able to withstand 105 mile per hour winds. A 2019 filing said it had fallen behind in replacing the old wooden poles because of other priorities and warned of a “serious public hazard” if they “failed.” ...
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Bigun on August 26, 2023, 06:41:57 pm
What Really Happened on Maui - I Was There (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-really-happened-maui-i-dr-kathy-j-forti/)

(https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D5612AQEAWTQDQmVA2A/article-cover_image-shrink_720_1280/0/1691883141734?e=1698278400&v=beta&t=9c4w0Da2yXdHHxy47sHmlpBIEkIcaKBuhoguAs0r0dc)

My story of what happened:

The Strange Maui Fires

A friend called me early on the morning of Tuesday, August 8th and told me he had a strong urge to visit Lahaina that day. Tempting me with lunch at Cool Cats, one of my favorite eateries in Old Lahaina, I said “Okay. Let’s go!”

The 30 minute drive was without incident, without winds, and without any warning advisories. As soon as we reached Lahaina, all power got zapped. Cell phone, internet, traffic lights, GPS, the 911 emergency system (which is never supposed to go down) and the power outage caused every store and shopping mall to immediately close. Nothing was open.

Then the winds came in, bringing with it a rare rainless hurricane with gusts from 60-80mph. Trees became uprooted and branches were coming down everywhere, along with power poles. I heard a crash behind me and where I was less than 30 seconds prior was a crashed and uprooted tree. It was time to get out of there.

No evacuation sirens ever went off that day when the fires began. They failed as well. My friend and I had to escape through the back road going all the way around the island as all traffic was blocked in the other direction. Many might not have known about this back route since GPS was down...

Excerpt: Rest at headline link
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DB on August 26, 2023, 06:55:06 pm
Cool Cats was a 50's themed burger joint in the very small town near where I lived in California 20 some odd years ago. I knew the owners, a father and son, as I was a regular there. They are good people. They expanded into a nearby college town and later opened a location on Maui. The original location I went to closed (the building was demolished for a new development) but the college town location is still open today. The Maui location burnt to the ground. Rough times.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: libertybele on August 26, 2023, 07:03:43 pm
What Really Happened on Maui - I Was There (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-really-happened-maui-i-dr-kathy-j-forti/)

(https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D5612AQEAWTQDQmVA2A/article-cover_image-shrink_720_1280/0/1691883141734?e=1698278400&v=beta&t=9c4w0Da2yXdHHxy47sHmlpBIEkIcaKBuhoguAs0r0dc)

My story of what happened:

The Strange Maui Fires

A friend called me early on the morning of Tuesday, August 8th and told me he had a strong urge to visit Lahaina that day. Tempting me with lunch at Cool Cats, one of my favorite eateries in Old Lahaina, I said “Okay. Let’s go!”

The 30 minute drive was without incident, without winds, and without any warning advisories. As soon as we reached Lahaina, all power got zapped. Cell phone, internet, traffic lights, GPS, the 911 emergency system (which is never supposed to go down) and the power outage caused every store and shopping mall to immediately close. Nothing was open.

Then the winds came in, bringing with it a rare rainless hurricane with gusts from 60-80mph. Trees became uprooted and branches were coming down everywhere, along with power poles. I heard a crash behind me and where I was less than 30 seconds prior was a crashed and uprooted tree. It was time to get out of there.

No evacuation sirens ever went off that day when the fires began. They failed as well. My friend and I had to escape through the back road going all the way around the island as all traffic was blocked in the other direction. Many might not have known about this back route since GPS was down...

Excerpt: Rest at headline link

Prayers up for those in Lahaina.  The evilness and corruption continues....
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: GtHawk on August 26, 2023, 07:05:37 pm
What Really Happened on Maui - I Was There (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-really-happened-maui-i-dr-kathy-j-forti/)

(https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D5612AQEAWTQDQmVA2A/article-cover_image-shrink_720_1280/0/1691883141734?e=1698278400&v=beta&t=9c4w0Da2yXdHHxy47sHmlpBIEkIcaKBuhoguAs0r0dc)

My story of what happened:

The Strange Maui Fires

A friend called me early on the morning of Tuesday, August 8th and told me he had a strong urge to visit Lahaina that day. Tempting me with lunch at Cool Cats, one of my favorite eateries in Old Lahaina, I said “Okay. Let’s go!”

The 30 minute drive was without incident, without winds, and without any warning advisories. As soon as we reached Lahaina, all power got zapped. Cell phone, internet, traffic lights, GPS, the 911 emergency system (which is never supposed to go down) and the power outage caused every store and shopping mall to immediately close. Nothing was open.

Then the winds came in, bringing with it a rare rainless hurricane with gusts from 60-80mph. Trees became uprooted and branches were coming down everywhere, along with power poles. I heard a crash behind me and where I was less than 30 seconds prior was a crashed and uprooted tree. It was time to get out of there.

No evacuation sirens ever went off that day when the fires began. They failed as well. My friend and I had to escape through the back road going all the way around the island as all traffic was blocked in the other direction. Many might not have known about this back route since GPS was down...

Excerpt: Rest at headline link
A interesting story about how quickly things happened and how much went wrong, would have been better if he had left out the loony.
I personally experienced a strange flooding wave of energy in my head, almost like seizure activity, which I have come to identity as dark energy coming in.

This was not just a random act of mother nature. It reminded me of the strange fires in Paradise, California a few years back which swept through and wiped it off the map. Their only crime was getting in the way of a high speed railway project slated to come through the town.

This was in fact a random act of nature, a rare occurrence of two parallel weather systems working to funnel high winds across a dry primed Maui. Now whether that situation was compounded by incompetence, Gaia worshiping idiocy and even deliberate acts that resulted in extreme loss of life of all types and property I don't doubt.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 26, 2023, 07:06:25 pm
What Really Happened on Maui - I Was There (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-really-happened-maui-i-dr-kathy-j-forti/)

(https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D5612AQEAWTQDQmVA2A/article-cover_image-shrink_720_1280/0/1691883141734?e=1698278400&v=beta&t=9c4w0Da2yXdHHxy47sHmlpBIEkIcaKBuhoguAs0r0dc)

My story of what happened:

The Strange Maui Fires

A friend called me early on the morning of Tuesday, August 8th and told me he had a strong urge to visit Lahaina that day. Tempting me with lunch at Cool Cats, one of my favorite eateries in Old Lahaina, I said “Okay. Let’s go!”

The 30 minute drive was without incident, without winds, and without any warning advisories. As soon as we reached Lahaina, all power got zapped. Cell phone, internet, traffic lights, GPS, the 911 emergency system (which is never supposed to go down) and the power outage caused every store and shopping mall to immediately close. Nothing was open.

Then the winds came in, bringing with it a rare rainless hurricane with gusts from 60-80mph. Trees became uprooted and branches were coming down everywhere, along with power poles. I heard a crash behind me and where I was less than 30 seconds prior was a crashed and uprooted tree. It was time to get out of there.

No evacuation sirens ever went off that day when the fires began. They failed as well. My friend and I had to escape through the back road going all the way around the island as all traffic was blocked in the other direction. Many might not have known about this back route since GPS was down...

Excerpt: Rest at headline link

Very interesting..I just read (somewhere) that residents were warning others not to sell their land to any developers taking advantage of the situation..
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 26, 2023, 08:34:28 pm
‘We’re All Trapped Here…They’re Blocking Off All Exits’: Driver Furious as Police Vehicle Speeds Past Him to ‘Trap’ Residents Fleeing Lahaina Wildfires
by Adan Salazar
August 25th 2023, 1:05 pm

Video shows police vehicle speed past Lahaina motorists as they tried to escape deadly wildfires.
'Probably to block our street,' noted resident stuck in line of cars.

(https://api-assets.infowars.com/2023/08/police2367.jpg)

https://twitter.com/realstewpeters/status/1694439043809865737

more
https://www.infowars.com/posts/were-all-trapped-here-theyre-blocking-off-all-exits-driver-furious-as-police-vehicle-speeds-past-him-to-trap-residents-fleeing-lahaina-wildfires/

Shocking footage out of Maui shows a police vehicle presumably on its way to block residents of Lahaina, Hawaii, from escaping as deadly wildfires raged.

The video appears to have been shot by a resident stuck in a line of cars on a highway as high winds impacted the region shortly before fires tore through and destroyed the town.

“Good luck,” the driver of a car stuck in a line of vehicles said as he filmed a police squad car passing him.

“Look at this. Holy shit. This is a nightmare,” the man noted, going on to add, “I don’t know where he’s going. Probably to block our street.”

“They’re going to bleep barbecue all these people down in Lahaina,” the man ominously predicted.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: libertybele on August 26, 2023, 08:41:33 pm
‘We’re All Trapped Here…They’re Blocking Off All Exits’: Driver Furious as Police Vehicle Speeds Past Him to ‘Trap’ Residents Fleeing Lahaina Wildfires
by Adan Salazar
August 25th 2023, 1:05 pm

Video shows police vehicle speed past Lahaina motorists as they tried to escape deadly wildfires.
'Probably to block our street,' noted resident stuck in line of cars.

(https://api-assets.infowars.com/2023/08/police2367.jpg)

https://twitter.com/realstewpeters/status/1694439043809865737

more
https://www.infowars.com/posts/were-all-trapped-here-theyre-blocking-off-all-exits-driver-furious-as-police-vehicle-speeds-past-him-to-trap-residents-fleeing-lahaina-wildfires/

Shocking footage out of Maui shows a police vehicle presumably on its way to block residents of Lahaina, Hawaii, from escaping as deadly wildfires raged.

The video appears to have been shot by a resident stuck in a line of cars on a highway as high winds impacted the region shortly before fires tore through and destroyed the town.

“Good luck,” the driver of a car stuck in a line of vehicles said as he filmed a police squad car passing him.

“Look at this. Holy shit. This is a nightmare,” the man noted, going on to add, “I don’t know where he’s going. Probably to block our street.”

“They’re going to bleep barbecue all these people down in Lahaina,” the man ominously predicted.

 8888crybaby **nononono*
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 27, 2023, 09:01:33 am
Reposted from another thread. When answers seem to be not forthcoming or stonewalled, the rumors and theories come out.

Make of these what you will, but it is a very different spin on Maui events.

Conspiracy theory, or just a crime so outrageous that no one will believe it? (which was Obama's signature M.O.)

https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/marines-arrest-67-maui-perpetrators/ (https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/marines-arrest-67-maui-perpetrators/)

https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/marines-neutralize-fleeing-fema-convoy-in-maui/ (https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/marines-neutralize-fleeing-fema-convoy-in-maui/)

https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/military-arrests-fema-deputy-administrator-erick-hooks/ (https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/military-arrests-fema-deputy-administrator-erick-hooks/)

https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/white-hats-to-maui/ (https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/white-hats-to-maui/)

https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/maui-massacre/ (https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/maui-massacre/)

https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/deep-state-take-down-maui/ (https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/deep-state-take-down-maui/)
   ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Cajun Navy podcast take: https://wondery.com/shows/eye-on-veterans/episode/12814-is-enough-being-done-to-help-maui-cajun-navy-ground-force-updates-from-lahaina/ (https://wondery.com/shows/eye-on-veterans/episode/12814-is-enough-being-done-to-help-maui-cajun-navy-ground-force-updates-from-lahaina/)

Yeah some of this seems to be just too far out there.
I doubt the USMC is waging war with FEMA in the hills, but if they were, how would that news get out (not ABCNNBCBS, for sure)? Without video, locations, etc., that sounds too farfetched, and even then I would have a hard time believing that there is open warfare between those units anywhere. 


I believe the Cajun Navy account, they've done a host of relief efforts, and seem reliable.

Anyone who claims there are mass graves in the hills should be ready to produce a GPS location...short of the video.
As coverups go, I could see mass graves in secret, because over a thousand partially recovered dead coupled with apparent incompetence would lead to some job losses, if not criminal charges.
In contrast, many different claims could be made about missing people, and they'd just stay missing (further complicating the insurance situation for survivors).

But the more that smells bad, the more inclination I have to believe something rotten was/is going on.

One more link, https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/online-videos-share-fabricated-story-about-fema-and-marines-on-maui/ar-AA1fMFUQ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=5bc086afb0c042419e103db49275d26b&ei=40 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/online-videos-share-fabricated-story-about-fema-and-marines-on-maui/ar-AA1fMFUQ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=5bc086afb0c042419e103db49275d26b&ei=40) Which claims the reakrawnews links above are made up material ("fake news") Just for balance.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on August 28, 2023, 11:50:58 pm
Exclusive: Maui Resident Says Police Chief’s Claim that Officers Knocked on Doors Is a ‘Total Lie’

A local resident who has led grassroots relief efforts in Maui told Breitbart News in a recent exclusive interview the Maui police chief’s claim that officers tried to evacuate people is a “total lie.”

more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/28/exclusive-maui-resident-says-police-chiefs-claim-officers-knocked-doors-total-lie/
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: NavyCanDo on August 29, 2023, 04:57:46 am
‘We’re All Trapped Here…They’re Blocking Off All Exits’: Driver Furious as Police Vehicle Speeds Past Him to ‘Trap’ Residents Fleeing Lahaina Wildfires
by Adan Salazar
August 25th 2023, 1:05 pm

Video shows police vehicle speed past Lahaina motorists as they tried to escape deadly wildfires.
'Probably to block our street,' noted resident stuck in line of cars.

(https://api-assets.infowars.com/2023/08/police2367.jpg)

https://twitter.com/realstewpeters/status/1694439043809865737

more
https://www.infowars.com/posts/were-all-trapped-here-theyre-blocking-off-all-exits-driver-furious-as-police-vehicle-speeds-past-him-to-trap-residents-fleeing-lahaina-wildfires/

Shocking footage out of Maui shows a police vehicle presumably on its way to block residents of Lahaina, Hawaii, from escaping as deadly wildfires raged.

The video appears to have been shot by a resident stuck in a line of cars on a highway as high winds impacted the region shortly before fires tore through and destroyed the town.

“Good luck,” the driver of a car stuck in a line of vehicles said as he filmed a police squad car passing him.

“Look at this. Holy shit. This is a nightmare,” the man noted, going on to add, “I don’t know where he’s going. Probably to block our street.”

“They’re going to bleep barbecue all these people down in Lahaina,” the man ominously predicted.

It's TikTok post like that which fueled wild conspiracies faster than the spread of the fire itself. A police car speeding past a traffic jam is presumed by the person filming to be racing ahead to keep people from leaving. And all the Tic-Tok followers just believe it's true.  Yet the person filming survived.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: PeteS in CA on August 29, 2023, 04:53:30 pm
Maui Electric pushing back on fire responsibility accusations and bringing receipts

https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2023/08/28/maui-electric-pushing-back-on-fire-responsibility-accusations-and-bringing-receipts-n574320 (https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2023/08/28/maui-electric-pushing-back-on-fire-responsibility-accusations-and-bringing-receipts-n574320)

Quote
There have been some pretty damning videos of lines on the ground and fires in the area near them, but today Hawaiian Electric said, “That wasn’t us.” And dropped a bombshell about the power running through the lines.
...
According to the power company, they’d gotten to the scene of the 6:30 morning fire with firefighters, and gotten the power shut off right then. Linemen stayed in the area until the fire crews got the fire under control and declared it extinguished.

Later, HECO crews returned to repair the damaged poles from the morning, and, while in the middle of repairing and clearing that, they spotted another fire breaking out in a nearby field.

The company says electricity had never been turned back on.
...
Residents in the area are convinced it was the first fire which reignited, and then took off on a destructive, raging path towards Lahaina proper.
...
Whatever people believe was the cause of the second blaze at 3 pm, HECO says it has the receipts as far as shutting the juice down and leaving it off.

If HECO actually fights in court using facts instead of rolling over like PG&E does, this could get interesting.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Fishrrman on August 29, 2023, 07:51:35 pm
May have been posted already, if so, remove:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/mysterious-black-curtain-special-police-spotted-around-mauis/

Mysterious Black Curtain and “Special Police” Spotted Around Maui’s Ground Zero (Video)
By Anthony Scott
8/29/23

Volunteer reporter Geoff Cygnus who has been reporting exclusively on the aftermath of Maui after deadly fires razed the island, has released a new video that shows a massive black curtain that has been resurrected around Maui’s ground zero.
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads//IMG_6923-1024x628.jpeg)
In a new video that was uploaded on both TikTok and Twitter, Cygnus recorded a video of a massive black curtain that stretches all along Lahaina in West Maui.

Cygnus shared in the video that he stopped his vehicle near the curtain to film but was immediately approached by members of the National Guard and was told to “keep moving.”

The volunteer reporter also reported seeing “Special Police” who are standing guard “ensuring that nothing can be documented.”

He also noted that around the perimeter of the black curtain “You can’t stop your car, you can’t pull over, you can’t fly a drone, you can’t take a picture, you can’t get in anywhere near any of this.”
Video here, quite interesting:
https://twitter.com/CygnusGeoff/status/1695603553195458833?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1695603553195458833%7Ctwgr%5Eb281624a0367ec09f441d2c738a42076030f7579%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2023%2F08%2Fmysterious-black-curtain-special-police-spotted-around-mauis%2F

More at URL above...
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on August 31, 2023, 10:16:00 pm
Mr. M spent some time today with a friend of ours who is a retired official of the U.S. Forest Service (Ph.D. in forestry, tons of experience). He said the problem in Maui is that with the demise of agriculture on the island, including products like pineapples now grown cheaper in Costa Rica, the fields have been abandoned. In these formerly-cleared agricultural plots now grows an invasive type of grass that made choice fuel - just like kindling, he said - for a fortuitous wildfire.

EDIT to add: he also blamed local officials for not making water available, not permitting people to flee, etc. The problem wasn't only the flammable underbrush, just a part.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: roamer_1 on August 31, 2023, 10:40:13 pm
Mr. M spent some time today with a friend of ours who is a retired official of the U.S. Forest Service (Ph.D. in forestry, tons of experience). He said the problem in Maui is that with the demise of agriculture on the island, including products like pineapples now grown cheaper in Costa Rica, the fields have been abandoned. In these formerly-cleared agricultural plots now grows an invasive type of grass that made choice fuel - just like kindling, he said - for a fortuitous wildfire.


Government around here requires a firebreak around dwellings. They'll send you a notice to mow it or thin it (take down ladder fuels in forest) or they will do it, and charge it to your taxes... Even city governments do this with vacant lots.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on September 12, 2023, 10:39:12 am
It's TikTok post like that which fueled wild conspiracies faster than the spread of the fire itself. A police car speeding past a traffic jam is presumed by the person filming to be racing ahead to keep people from leaving. And all the Tic-Tok followers just believe it's true.  Yet the person filming survived.

Alex Jones was already successfully sued for libel once, I guess he hasn't learned his lesson?
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on September 14, 2023, 02:02:39 pm
James O'Keefe
@JamesOKeefeIII
Just got back from Maui.

Our crew, myself included, secretly recorded state and federal officials along the burn zone being honest.

Stay tuned Thursday PM for Part 1 of our *Undercover in #Lahaina* installment.

@GovHawaii fasten your seatbelt.

#OMG indeed…

3:06 AM · Sep 14, 2023

 :pop41:
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 14, 2023, 02:05:36 pm
James O'Keefe
@JamesOKeefeIII
Just got back from Maui.

Our crew, myself included, secretly recorded state and federal officials along the burn zone being honest.

Stay tuned Thursday PM for Part 1 of our *Undercover in #Lahaina* installment.

@GovHawaii fasten your seatbelt.

#OMG indeed…

3:06 AM · Sep 14, 2023

 :pop41:
Move over... :2popcorn:
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: catfish1957 on September 14, 2023, 03:56:08 pm
 :2popcorn: :2popcorn:

I'll fire up the popcorn popper....  it's gonna get crowded here.

O'Keefe is the Brietbart of his generation.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Polly Ticks on September 14, 2023, 06:04:46 pm
:2popcorn: :2popcorn:

I'll fire up the popcorn popper....  it's gonna get crowded here.

O'Keefe is the Brietbart of his generation.

Good idea.  I'm in, too.
 :2popcorn: :2popcorn: :2popcorn:
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 14, 2023, 07:28:23 pm
I just want to see how many "conspiracy theories" get verified.

(Not holding my breath on the DEW one, I never held with that).

There's plenty more others, mostly wrapped around a central belief in a land grab.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DCPatriot on September 14, 2023, 07:39:28 pm
I just want to see how many "conspiracy theories" get verified.

(Not holding my breath on the DEW one, I never held with that).

There's plenty more others, mostly wrapped around a central belief in a land grab.

Probably going to be a lot of comments on land-grabs, especially regarding the property survivors who've lost everything.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 14, 2023, 07:46:18 pm
Probably going to be a lot of comments on land-grabs, especially regarding the property survivors who've lost everything.
Or those who died...whose land might be taken for taxes, if the heir(s) can't be found.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DCPatriot on September 14, 2023, 08:22:55 pm
Or those who died...whose land might be taken for taxes, if the heir(s) can't be found.

Thought about that, but who'd be in a position to even conspire to create false notarized documents to create liens on said properties?

...and clever enough to get away with it??   happy77
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 14, 2023, 08:42:10 pm
Thought about that, but who'd be in a position to even conspire to create false notarized documents to create liens on said properties?

...and clever enough to get away with it??   happy77
The tax assessor would be enough. Auction on the courthouse steps.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Cyber Liberty on September 14, 2023, 08:43:41 pm
Thought about that, but who'd be in a position to even conspire to create false notarized documents to create liens on said properties?

...and clever enough to get away with it??   happy77

Her initials are "Oprah Winfrey."
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: bigheadfred on September 14, 2023, 08:51:26 pm
Thought about that, but who'd be in a position to even conspire to create false notarized documents to create liens on said properties?

...and clever enough to get away with it??   happy77

I'll take Who is that rich, supposedly Hawaiian, homeboy for a $1000, Alex.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: roamer_1 on September 14, 2023, 10:40:10 pm
Or those who died...whose land might be taken for taxes, if the heir(s) can't be found.

From what I hear, a lot of that property is treated like it is on the rez... just handed down. who knows the last time the paper was figgered out... Natives don't worry that sort of thing... Everybody just knows.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: DB on September 15, 2023, 01:00:34 am
Just watched part 1 of the O'Keefe videos.  It was a whole lot of nothing.

Quick summary?
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 15, 2023, 04:27:42 am
From what I hear, a lot of that property is treated like it is on the rez... just handed down. who knows the last time the paper was figgered out... Natives don't worry that sort of thing... Everybody just knows.
Yeah. It's the trust lands that get muddled up with the BIA in there.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mystery-ak on September 17, 2023, 02:16:52 pm
Here's the Recent Development Concerning the Death Toll From the Maui Wildfires
Matt Vespa


Does anyone remember the Maui wildfires? It remains one of the worst wildfires in American history. It’s the one where Joe Biden did not comment about the rising death toll because he was too busy enjoying the beach. The man took two vacations before his little visit to the island two weeks after the blaze killed nearly 100 people and caused at least $6 billion in damages. The fires broke out on August 8, destroying entire communities; Joe arrived two weeks later.

There’s a new development in the death toll. It’s been revised down, from 115 to 97. It’s still tragic, but the island’s medical examiner had some remarks that are indelicate in print (via NYT):

    The authorities announced on Friday that they currently believe 97 people died in the Maui wildfire instead of the 115 fatalities they had been reporting for weeks, a surprising development after initial fears that many more lives had been lost in the disaster.

    Dr. Jeremy Stuelpnagel, the medical examiner for Maui County, said in a news conference that the process of confirming dead victims and identifying them through DNA analysis had been difficult and changing ever since the fire on Aug. 8 that destroyed most of Lahaina.

    It is the first time that the Maui death toll has dropped. In some instances, Dr. Stuelpnagel explained, forensic examiners have determined that they had multiple sets of remains for the same person. He also said that 16 of the remains that investigators had received were nonhuman.

    “It’s good news to have a lower number, that’s for darn sure,” Dr. Stuelpnagel said on Friday.

    For more than three weeks, officials said that at least 115 people died, a number that held firm even as hundreds were said to be missing and investigators kept combing through the ruins of central Lahaina.

    […]

    But the number of people unaccounted for has now fallen to 31, John Pelletier, the chief of the Maui Police Department, said on Friday. After publishing multiple versions of lists with names of people thought to be missing, the authorities have located most of the individuals.

    Identifying the dead has been a massive undertaking that has drawn out for more than a month, requiring DNA samples from family, dental experts and dealing with remains that are burned beyond recognition.

    Dr. Stuelpnagel said there were cases where they had the remains of someone, but later found bones with the same DNA.

    He also said there were 16 cases that were nonhuman, “mixed in with the other people who have come through, so there’s lots and lots of moving bits of information in this situation.”

more
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2023/09/16/heres-the-recent-development-concerning-the-death-toll-from-the-maui-wildfires-n2628526
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: sneakypete on September 17, 2023, 10:22:05 pm
Her initials are "Oprah Winfrey."

@Cyber Liberty

You SERIOUSLY think that  Orca is smart enough to  do  that?

BTW,HTH  is a fire on an island  STILL burning  after  all this  time,and not  ran out of stuff to burn?

 
 
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 17, 2023, 10:26:24 pm
Here's the Recent Development Concerning the Death Toll From the Maui Wildfires
Matt Vespa


Does anyone remember the Maui wildfires? It remains one of the worst wildfires in American history. It’s the one where Joe Biden did not comment about the rising death toll because he was too busy enjoying the beach. The man took two vacations before his little visit to the island two weeks after the blaze killed nearly 100 people and caused at least $6 billion in damages. The fires broke out on August 8, destroying entire communities; Joe arrived two weeks later.

There’s a new development in the death toll. It’s been revised down, from 115 to 97. It’s still tragic, but the island’s medical examiner had some remarks that are indelicate in print (via NYT):

    The authorities announced on Friday that they currently believe 97 people died in the Maui wildfire instead of the 115 fatalities they had been reporting for weeks, a surprising development after initial fears that many more lives had been lost in the disaster.

    Dr. Jeremy Stuelpnagel, the medical examiner for Maui County, said in a news conference that the process of confirming dead victims and identifying them through DNA analysis had been difficult and changing ever since the fire on Aug. 8 that destroyed most of Lahaina.

    It is the first time that the Maui death toll has dropped. In some instances, Dr. Stuelpnagel explained, forensic examiners have determined that they had multiple sets of remains for the same person. He also said that 16 of the remains that investigators had received were nonhuman.

    “It’s good news to have a lower number, that’s for darn sure,” Dr. Stuelpnagel said on Friday.

    For more than three weeks, officials said that at least 115 people died, a number that held firm even as hundreds were said to be missing and investigators kept combing through the ruins of central Lahaina.

    […]

    But the number of people unaccounted for has now fallen to 31, John Pelletier, the chief of the Maui Police Department, said on Friday. After publishing multiple versions of lists with names of people thought to be missing, the authorities have located most of the individuals.

    Identifying the dead has been a massive undertaking that has drawn out for more than a month, requiring DNA samples from family, dental experts and dealing with remains that are burned beyond recognition.

    Dr. Stuelpnagel said there were cases where they had the remains of someone, but later found bones with the same DNA.

    He also said there were 16 cases that were nonhuman, “mixed in with the other people who have come through, so there’s lots and lots of moving bits of information in this situation.”

more
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2023/09/16/heres-the-recent-development-concerning-the-death-toll-from-the-maui-wildfires-n2628526
I fully anticipated the death toll would be reduced, if only in the 'incoming' statistics, when the number of remains stalled. As if any were okay, or the reduction in numbers somehow mitigates the indications that this was preventable had the entire situation not been handled badly from even before the fire.



Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on January 22, 2024, 11:52:44 pm
UPDATE Jan. 22, 2024
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Nick Sortor
@nicksortor
Aloha from Maui, where the great people of the island are STILL being shafted by the government—and they're FED UP.

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE, and we’re going to put this story back in the news cycle.

⚠️ Residents are STILL being prevented from visiting their properties
⚠️ The town is STILL fortified
⚠️ Toxic waste is being placed on the hillside directly above the town
⚠️ Most are receiving practically ZERO AID

The government is literally trying to FORCE these people to move off the island, and in many cases, IT’S WORKING. And on top of all that, NOBODY IS BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

The fires happened over 5 months ago, and the lack of support residents are receiving is INFURIATING.

I’ll be working here on the ground with community members to expose the corrupt coverup that’s underway.

STAY TUNED.

6:19 PM · Jan 22, 2024  from Lahaina, HI
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: berdie on January 23, 2024, 12:49:02 am
I appreciate the updates on this as well of other stories that you give. @mountaineer
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on January 23, 2024, 02:56:14 am
Thank you, @berdie  - It's the old newspaper reporter in me that wants to follow up on a story and let people know what's been happening.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: roamer_1 on January 23, 2024, 02:59:32 am
Thank you, @berdie  - It's the old newspaper reporter in me that wants to follow up on a story and let people know what's been happening.

Thank goodness for that! I'd have forgotten all about these poor folks without your dogged reporting. It would be clean out of my mind. I am glad it's not. Even though there's not a dang thing I can do about it.

Still, the witness is of utmost importance.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: mountaineer on February 05, 2024, 11:45:21 pm
UPDATE Feb. 5, 2024

Maui seems to have turned into East Palestine, Ohio.

Maui County is REFUSING to let residents who lost their homes in the fire to clear their own property—let alone rebuild. The government is only letting THEIR contractors into the burn zone to clean up.
https://twitter.com/nicksortor/status/1754627473348899021
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: berdie on February 06, 2024, 12:09:19 am
UPDATE Feb. 5, 2024

Maui seems to have turned into East Palestine, Ohio.

Maui County is REFUSING to let residents who lost their homes in the fire to clear their own property—let alone rebuild. The government is only letting THEIR contractors into the burn zone to clean up.
https://twitter.com/nicksortor/status/1754627473348899021



That is just wrong on so many levels.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: sneakypete on February 06, 2024, 12:15:53 am


That is just wrong on so many levels.

@berdie

Normally we would be saying that this is happening because the local real estate industry and bribed the city to do this so they could buy up acreage cheap to sell high down the road,but there ain't no such  critter as "cheap land" in Hawaii.

Maybe the Uber Wealthy just want larger estates,and the only  way  to get them it to buy condemned land?
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 06, 2024, 11:19:02 am
@berdie

Normally we would be saying that this is happening because the local real estate industry and bribed the city to do this so they could buy up acreage cheap to sell high down the road,but there ain't no such  critter as "cheap land" in Hawaii.

Maybe the Uber Wealthy just want larger estates,and the only  way  to get them it to buy condemned land?
Two things: anything of intrinsic value (precious metals, even melted down have value) will not be recovered by residents, nor will anything they may have decided to hide in a flowerbed or the back yard...

When the approved cleanup is done, the owners will be presented with the tab. Such tabs tend to be creatively billed, with all the expense that implies. Don't pay the tab? then there is a lien against your property....

All part of the land grab.
Title: Re: Wildfires burning across Maui prompt evacuations
Post by: sneakypete on February 06, 2024, 01:20:33 pm
Two things: anything of intrinsic value (precious metals, even melted down have value) will not be recovered by residents, nor will anything they may have decided to hide in a flowerbed or the back yard...

When the approved cleanup is done, the owners will be presented with the tab. Such tabs tend to be creatively billed, with all the expense that implies. Don't pay the tab? then there is a lien against your property....

All part of the land grab.

@Smokin Joe

Sadly,you are right

Seems like it is always the  worse part of human nature that  ends  up  "running the show",instead of the kinder and gentler part.