I wonder how much Maui Wowie gut burnt?
The Hawaiian language name Lā hainā means "cruel sun", describing the sunny dry climate.[3] Lahaina's historic district averages only 13 inches (330 mm) of rain per year, much of which occurs from December to February.
The fact that the entire city of Lahaina is lost is mind boggling. This was the second largest city on the Island and the actual best tourist center. Considering the logistics of rebuilding on an island? It will take decades to recover.
Death toll update
My daughter and her boyfriend - who had asked my blessing for a proposal - are still there. They were safe but said it got pretty bad.
The trunks are standing, but it looks like the foliage is gone.
Some tree species are fire resistant.
Dry abundant fuel in heavily populated area with 70+ mph winds is a recipe for a devastating fire storm. When something loose blows into a powerline it is all set into motion. The only practical solution is minimize the fuel supply. This is what California failed to do in another massive firestorm that destroyed over 10,000 homes. They blamed the power company so in turn the power company turns off the power when it is hot, dry and windy which is making California third world. Hot, dry and windy isn't uncommon in California, therefore the power goes out often.
How the hell are wildfires even possible on an island in the middle of the biggest body of water on Earth? Something isn't right here at all. We're being bamboozled.
Funny how social media is filling up with people all of a sudden telling people not to vacation in Hawaii now. As if this whole story was some ginned-up hoax they're trying to cover up.
How the hell are wildfires even possible on an island in the middle of the biggest body of water on Earth? Something isn't right here at all. We're being bamboozled.
Funny how social media is filling up with people all of a sudden telling people not to vacation in Hawaii now. As if this whole story was some ginned-up hoax they're trying to cover up.
Funny how social media is filling up with people all of a sudden telling people not to vacation in Hawaii now. As if this whole story was some ginned-up hoax they're trying to cover up.
How the hell are wildfires even possible on an island in the middle of the biggest body of water on Earth? Something isn't right here at all. We're being bamboozled.
Funny how social media is filling up with people all of a sudden telling people not to vacation in Hawaii now. As if this whole story was some ginned-up hoax they're trying to cover up.
How the hell are wildfires even possible on an island in the middle of the biggest body of water on Earth? Something isn't right here at all. We're being bamboozled.
Funny how social media is filling up with people all of a sudden telling people not to vacation in Hawaii now. As if this whole story was some ginned-up hoax they're trying to cover up.
How the hell are wildfires even possible on an island in the middle of the biggest body of water on Earth? Something isn't right here at all. We're being bamboozled.
Funny how social media is filling up with people all of a sudden telling people not to vacation in Hawaii now. As if this whole story was some ginned-up hoax they're trying to cover up.
I've seen this conspiracy whispers about how the fires are supposedly fake. I just can't fathom what the motive would be, or how anyone believes it would be possible to pull it off.Climate change activists and their allies in the media, pushing for more government. It's the same shtick that Italy used in 2020 to drive us all into lockdown.
Climate change activists and their allies in the media, pushing for more government. It's the same shtick that Italy used in 2020 to drive us all into lockdown.
And now with the big push to avoid going there, no one will verify.
I haven't heard what actually started the fire - arson, lightning? Has anyone rational (not a climate alarmist) offered an opinion on the cause?
The hurricane winds certainly caused it to spread rapidly.
The development opportunities are astounding. Can you imagine how many people didn't have insurance. Man If i had some money I would be all in on taking advantage of the people.No you wouldn't. As I've seen you mellow out over the years, you are too nice of a guy to take advantage of people in this way. happy77 @Wingnut
No you wouldn't. As I've seen you mellow out over the years, you are too nice of a guy to take advantage of people in this way. happy77 @Wingnut
Just because Warmistas (or Covidians, or ...) use an event for their propaganda does not mean the event is not real.
Exactly. The level of conspiracy it would take is impossible.
There are 200,000 or so people on that island at any one time, including tourists from all over the world, all of whom would have cellphones and the ability to post video.
My daughter and boyfriend just got home today and witnessed it personally. I don't expect a skeptic to be convinced by a random guy on the Internet saying that his daughter saw it, but it is an illustration of how many hundreds of thousands of additional people would have to be in on it.
There are all the neighboring islands that can see the smoke, airplanes full of people as crew that can see it from a distance, all the ships of varying nationalities that could see it.
Then, there are all the satellites from other countries that can see if the fires are real, many of which would love nothing more than to completely destroy the credibility of the U.S. government by showing images that Maui is just fine.
It simply is not possible to make it all up.
Hurricane winds can be 300 miles offshore and still be felt.
What the hell is she/it talking about. I don't do that usasupreme site.
Hurricane winds can be 300 miles offshore and still be felt.My understanding is that the hurricane in conjunction with a other weather system, low?, cause the trade winds to pickup speed and be channeled over Maui that resulted in the 80+mph winds and that with whatever ignition source cause the firestorm feeding on all the drought died grasses. But hey that's kind of sciencey reasoning....let's just go with a government bogey man instead.
Maui was suffering a drought so lightning is probably out. High winds from hurricane Dora may have blown down a power line sparking it off. That is my guess.
Hawaii Gov. Josh Green said Sunday that global warming played a major role in the Maui wildfire that destroyed a historic town and has so far killed at least 93 people.
Green spoke about the devastation in the centuries-old town of Lahaina during an appearance on MSNBC’s "The Sunday Show with Jonathan Capehart," describing the wildfire as a "fire hurricane" with gusting 80 mph winds and "1,000-degree heat creating fire cyclones going through buildings."
"Everything is burnt to the ground in Lahaina," the Democrat said, calling it a "war zone" that is "completely destroyed."
Green attributed strong winds from Hurricane Dora, which passed far to the south of the island last week, and very dry drought conditions on Maui to the fast-moving blaze.
The governor is trying to deflect responsibility with his climate nonsense. Lahaina is Hawaiian for "cruel or merciless sun." The climate has always been dry and sunny.
We need to know why no warning was issued to residents after the fire began, and what (if any) mitigation efforts took place before it burned everything down and took a couple of hundred people with it.
From Twitter: Footage of the initial start of the fires in Lahaina, Maui. No official cause has been released yet but class action lawsuits have already been opened by multiple law firms, suing the local utility and power companies for their roll in the tragedy.I seriously doubt the power utilities could control the wind. They'll say they should have cut off the electricity to the city, but when you do that you risk other lawsuits. They can't win.
The class action lawsuit alleges that downed power lines that MECO, HECO, HELCO, and HEI owned and operated caused the fire.
https://twitter.com/HotshotWake/status/1690510387991502849
When the wind is blowing at 60+ mph, the fire can spread at near that rate. It's a fire storm of destruction. You can't fight it. You can only get out of the way.Actually, they can move faster. Embers in the vicinity of the flame front are carried aloft by convection and can come down miles ahead of the fire front on the ground, creating a leapfrog effect. The new fires eventually merge with the parent fire, but proceed with the wind as new flame fronts. This is a hazard for those fighting or just trying to escape the fire, as it can cut off routes of escape.
Actually, they can move faster. Embers in the vicinity of the flame front are carried aloft by convection and can come down miles ahead of the fire front on the ground, creating a leapfrog effect. The new fires eventually merge with the parent fire, but proceed with the wind as new flame fronts. This is a hazard for those fighting or just trying to escape the fire, as it can cut off routes of escape.
Actually, they can move faster. Embers in the vicinity of the flame front are carried aloft by convection and can come down miles ahead of the fire front on the ground, creating a leapfrog effect. The new fires eventually merge with the parent fire, but proceed with the wind as new flame fronts. This is a hazard for those fighting or just trying to escape the fire, as it can cut off routes of escape.
You would think during a hurricane, it wouldn’t be such a nice sunny day.Maybe because Maui wasn't hit by the hurricane.
Those posts should withstand 90m+ winds since the islands are prone to hurricanes.
Maui fires were provoked. Prove me otherwise.
This and dry hydrants... Infrastructure failure.
https://www.usasupreme.com/video-that-was-taken-right-before-the-hawaii-fires-started-seems-to-show-what-caused-the-wild-fires/
TV crew with Oprah turned away from shelter housing Maui fire survivors during media mogul’s visitOprah gets points for going and helping the survivors, then loses the points for trying to record her with the survivors to score celebrity points.
By David Propper
August 14, 2023 1:38am
A camera crew that was accompanying Oprah Winfrey as she visited Maui wildfire survivors inside a Hawaii shelter Sunday was turned away at the door due to a no-media policy inside, officials said.
The famous television host and media mogul helped raise the spirits of Maui residents at the War Memorial Complex without the cameras capturing the moment due to the ongoing policy by county officials.
Winfrey, who lives on the Hawaiian island part-time, has made multiple trips to comfort those impacted by the raging fires that have killed nearly 100 people and destroyed or damaged over 2,000 structures.
“Oprah was able to visit our shelter and we thank her for instructing media journalists and camera crews to remain outside,” the County of Maui wrote on Facebook. “We welcome Oprah to continue to uplift our community’s spirit and give her aloha to victims of the tragic disaster.
“Her visit inside of the shelter today was truly heartwarming and we appreciate her understanding of our policy of having no camera crews or reporters accompanying dignitaries and celebrities in our emergency shelters.”
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A camera crew following Oprah Winfrey was turned away trying to gain access to Maui wildfire survivors inside a Hawaii shelter.
more
https://nypost.com/2023/08/14/tv-crew-with-oprah-turned-away-from-shelter-housing-maui-fire-survivors-during-media-moguls-visit/
It can move faster than a 60 MPH wind that is carrying those embers?That 60 MPH is on the ground. Winds aloft are often faster.
Yes, the fire can leapfrog miles at a time. With 60 MPH winds, that's a mile a minute. But it still takes the wind to move those embers miles laterally over a short time. Otherwise the embers just rise up and slowly drop as they cool which is a far greater distance to travel taking more time.
That 60 MPH is on the ground. Winds aloft are often faster.
Oprah gets points for going and helping the survivors, then loses the points for trying to record her with the survivors to score celebrity points.Did she hand out any trinkets? "You get a car! And you get a car!"
When the wind is blowing at 60+ mph, the fire can spread at near that rate. It's a fire storm of destruction. You can't fight it. You can only get out of the way.
I have to wonder if it moved quite so fast in the residential area. It started a mile up Lahainaluna Rd that morning, then restarted mid afternoon. Front street was in flames by mid evening. In any event they could have evacuated when the morning fire started.
Justin Sink
@justinsink
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After a couple hours on the Rehoboth beach, @potus was asked about the rising death toll in Hawaii
“No comment,” he said before heading home
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Death toll at 99 with only 25% of the burn area searched.
I wonder how many perished after jumping in the ocean to escape the flames. Bodies should begin washing up on shore. Many bodies will not because they were swept to sea in the Hurricane force winds.
It appears likely there will be hundreds unaccounted for.
Does the water get deep quickly there? From the news footage I don't recall seeing beaches in that area where people were jumping in. Also, the wind was blowing the fire towards the sea so those who jumped in were also being blown away from shore. Surface water was also likely moving away from shore with the wind.
Does the water get deep quickly there? From the news footage I don't recall seeing beaches in that area where people were jumping in. Also, the wind was blowing the fire towards the sea so those who jumped in were also being blown away from shore. Surface water was also likely moving away from shore with the wind.
I watched Magnum PI so I am an expert on those waters. If you stay close to shore you won't get taken to the open sea by the Kiholo express,
No relief efforts? No one in uniform??? That's on the governor of Hawaii. Unfortunately, FEMA is becoming a joke.
Per Fox..Biden will *visit* Monday...Despite his promise to East Palestine, Ohio, he still hasn't visited there.
Despite his promise to East Palestine, Ohio, he still hasn't visited there.
CNN’s Weir: ‘We Haven’t Seen’ Promised Relief Efforts in Hawaii, ‘We’ve Got Guys Putting out Fires with Bottled Water’
The Gov should call out the Nat'l Guard.....this is unbelievable!
The paper reported that schools in and around Lahaina canceled classes when power went out earlier that morning, and that many families in the largely working-class community left their children at home or with older relatives while they went to work.
I haven't closely followed this story. Was the power outage connected to the fire?
Meet M. Kaleo Manuel, the official who refused to release water in Maui, contributing to up to 106 deaths. A Hawaiian Studies major, Kaleo prefers a traditional, holistic "One Water" approach where water is revered, not used. Water requires "true conversations about equity."
Meet M. Kaleo Manuel, the official who refused to release water in Maui, contributing to up to 106 deaths. A Hawaiian Studies major, Kaleo prefers a traditional, holistic "One Water" approach where water is revered, not used. Water requires "true conversations about equity."
https://twitter.com/jeremykauffman/status/1691856782031815133
Tulsi Gabbard Blasts Biden-Harris Regime's Response to Maui Disaster (http://rumble.com/v38ijxs-former-hawaii-congresswoman-tulsi-gabbard-blasts-biden-harris-regimes-respo.html)So the government response is even worse than we have been told.
https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1692037772817621319
Obama. Pfffft. His foundation doesn't exactly have a stellar charity scorecard rating.
The company that I buy soap from in Hawaii has a link on their front page to a "Maui Strong" disaster relief page set up by Hawaii Community Foundation. Per their webpage, "HCF will not be collecting a fee for donations to the Maui Strong Fund; 100 percent of the funds will be distributed for community needs."
https://www.hawaiicommunityfoundation.org/maui-strong (https://www.hawaiicommunityfoundation.org/maui-strong)
I will never send a dime to anything with the name "O'Bastard" on it, he'll steal it. Your link sounds a lot better.Yep. Clinton Foundation Mk II.
Election Wizard
@ElectionWiz
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BREAKING (AP) — Maui’s emergency services director resigns amid criticism for not using sirens to alert residents to killer wildfire.
Does anyone know of any charities besides the Red Cross to help?Samaritan's Purse is there. https://www.samaritanspurse.org/article/airlifting-relief-supplies-to-maui/
Does anyone know of any charities besides the Red Cross to help?
Mercury One is there too.
https://mercuryone.org/
https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1692037772817621319
Samaritan's Purse is there. https://www.samaritanspurse.org/article/airlifting-relief-supplies-to-maui/
Mercury One is there too.
https://mercuryone.org/
This looks worse by the day. The fire progressed at 1 or 2 mph while the residents were stuck in their homes or a traffic jam, cooked alive, a short walk from the ocean. We are 10 days out and their incompetent government still has not searched half of the burnt properties.
I wonder if part of the problem is they are relying on cadaver dogs and they don't have very many?
Isn't there some strict quarantine rule about bringing dogs to the island that applies to anyone not named Obama?
The fact that there are realtors offering $$ for people's land when they've lost everything is disgusting and despicable.
This last Wednesday I discovered a lot I own was up for sale (in another state) - and I didn't list it... I got it delisted but I still have to check nearly daily to see if any of my property is up "for sale"... The world is rapidly descending into criminal chaos.
This last Wednesday I discovered a lot I own was up for sale (in another state) - and I didn't list it... I got it delisted but I still have to check nearly daily to see if any of my property is up "for sale"... The world is rapidly descending into criminal chaos.
Mercury One: https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/453929881
Samaritan's Purse: https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/581437002
For those wondering about this:Have the Clintons put their bid in yet for donations? Just look what they did for the Haitians!
In 2021, the Obama Foundation spent over one-fourth of its $160 million in donations on expenses. Here are the top five salaries it paid out:
VALERIE JARRETT, DIRECTOR/CEO
$581,305
DAVID SIMAS, PRESIDENT
$545,890
ROBBIN COHEN, EVP, OPC, TECH. & STRATEGY
$495,877
CLARISSA PETERSON, SVP, PEOPLE
$316,800
MICHAEL STRAUTMANIS, EVP, CIVIC ENGAGEMENT
$315,312
Here is a good place to go to do research on charities and find out which ones pay out the most for what you are giving your money for:
https://www.charitynavigator.org/
Here's a list of 26 charities for Maui relief: https://www.charitynavigator.org/discover-charities/where-to-give/hawaii-fires-2023/
You won't find the Obama Foundation on that list.
Thank you @Hoodat
I always try to check Charity Navigator before I send money to a. charity I never heard of before. I got a letter from a pet charity the other day asking for a donation and when I checked them out they had the lowest rating possible on Charity Finder. They did not get my money and instead I sent some to the local shelter.
In 2021, the Obama Foundation spent over one-fourth of its $160 million in donations on expenses. Here are the top five salaries it paid out:It's comforting to know she landed on her feet. *****rollingeyes*****
VALERIE JARRETT, DIRECTOR/CEO
$581,305
EXCLUSIVE: Maui wildfires death toll climbs to 480 locals claim, as Hawaii morgue workers run out of body bags and survivors are left to recover the charred remains of their loved onesSadly, I can.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12420893/Maui-wildfires-death-toll-update.html
(I can't even fathom this)
... “The Government, relief organizations, they're not doing anything.”Good question.
“We have the right to know what's going on. FEMA came here to help with the recovery [process] but we don't see them.”
“We're only 100 miles from Oahu which has several military bases. Why is the response so lacking? Why are they doing so little? Why is nothing else being done?” ...
Hawaii Agency Accused of Delaying Release of Water to Protect Maui PropertyThat's what happens when you put local native "knowers" of magic practices to protect the land. In short, idiots in charge like Mr. Manuel.
A state water agency in Hawaii has been accused of delaying the release of water from a traditional farm that landowners reportedly wanted to use to protect their property as the Maui wildfire spread last week.
According to the Honolulu Civil Beat, the state Department of Land and Natural Resources (DLNR) initially refused a request from West Maui Land, a real estate development company, to provide water to protect properties that were at risk in the area.
Fingers have been pointed at one official in particular, M. Kaleo Manuel, DLNR’s deputy director for water resource management.
The Honolulu Civil Beat reported:
With wildfires ravaging West Maui on Aug. 8, a state water official delayed the release of water that landowners wanted to help protect their property from fires. The water standoff played out over much of the day and the water didn’t come until too late.
The dispute involved the Department of Land and Natural Resources’ water resource management division and West Maui Land Co., which manages agricultural and residential subdivisions in West Maui as well as Launiupoko Irrigation Co., Launiupoko Water Co., Olowalu Water Co. and Ha’iku Town Water Association.
…
According to the sources, Manuel wanted West Maui Land to get permission from a taro, or kalo, farm located downstream from the company’s property. Manuel eventually released water but not until after the fire had spread. It was not clear on Monday how much damage the fire did in the interim or whether homes were damaged.
more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/17/hawaii-agency-accused-of-delaying-release-of-water-to-protect-maui-property/
EXCLUSIVE: Maui wildfires death toll climbs to 480 locals claim, as Hawaii morgue workers run out of body bags and survivors are left to recover the charred remains of their loved ones
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12420893/Maui-wildfires-death-toll-update.html
(I can't even fathom this)
KanekoaTheGreatVIDEO and more:
@KanekoaTheGreat
JUST IN - An independent Maui company has unveiled new evidence suggesting that equipment failures in the power grid likely triggered multiple fires.
The data was collected through a network of smart sensors known as Ting, distributed to homeowners by insurers. These sensors, designed to spot electrical hazards at homes, also detect grid-wide issues in real time.
For example, on August 7th at 10:47 p.m., an explosion occurred near Maui Bird Conservation Center in Upcountry Maui. Soon after, flames appeared along the tree line.
Ting's data analysis showed that ten nearby sensors recorded a sudden voltage drop at that exact time—an unmistakable sign of a grid fault.
Such faults involve abnormal electric currents due to equipment failures, like transformer explosions, fallen power lines, or line contact. These faults, seen in the bird sanctuary explosion video, can cause sparks or arcs, potentially releasing molten metal fragments.
Within the same period, 78 sensors across the island identified 122 grid faults, mainly due to strong winds. ...
Wondering if anybody has heard from Emjay. I see she hasn’t been here since May of 2020, but if anybody hears from her, please let me know. She used to live on Maui and I assume she still does.
Thank you.
anubias
She got mad at us and left. :shrug:
Thank you, Cyber Liberty. I hope she’s OK. :/
Owner of Lahaina 'miracle house' that was only one spared by devastating Maui wildfire shares secrets of how the $4M property survivedThe Q-following conspiracy theorists were convinced this one surviving house was proof that the fire was started by the government's targeted "DEWS," Direct Energy Weapons.
The Q-following conspiracy theorists were convinced this one surviving house was proof that the fire was started by the government's targeted "DEWS," Direct Energy Weapons.
On the beach (one side relieved from heat, likely onshore wind right there with the fire drawing in air at its base) Lack of combustible material against the house. Metal roof (embers slide off, instead of 'stick' and ignite asphalt shingle roofing). Vacant lot next to the house would also reduce radiated/convected heat hitting the house. The street on another side also reduces that effect, and the trees in between look to be younger or well trimmed. Trees on the other exposed side, while appearing to be more mature, are well set back from the house, reducing the radiant heat from them, and the metal roof would keep embers that fall from igniting the roof.
A fortuitous combination of factors, which, in concert may have saved the house. (Want to bet there is some blistered paint?)
Makes me wonder if they prayed, too?
Another biggie is attic vents. Vents that have large enough openings for embers to blow in are a major fire risk.True.
EXCLUSIVE: FEMA officials are staying at $1,000-a-night luxury hotels in Maui amid recovery efforts in LahainaMore, plus photos, at Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12430203/FEMA-officials-staying-luxury-Maui-hotels.html)
FEMA officials have been slammed by Maui locals for their slow response to the devastating wildfires that ripped through Lahaina earlier this month
But DailyMail.com can reveal they are staying at three five-star hotels, Fairmont Kea Lani, Four Seasons, and the Grand Wailea Astoria, during recovery efforts
Federal government rates for this week at all three resorts start at an eye-watering $1,000, company sources revealed
By James Franey In Maui For Dailymail.Com
Updated: 11:13 EDT, 22 August 2023
Bungling U.S. government bureaucrats dispatched to the Maui disaster zone are shacked up in $1,000-a-night luxury hotels on the Hawaiian island, DailyMail.com can reveal.
Officials from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) have been slammed by locals over their slow response to the devastating wildfires that have claimed at least 114 lives and left thousands of people homeless after their houses were scorched to the ground.
But that has not stopped the under-fire agency from splashing taxpayer cash to put up more than 1,000 of its personnel at four bank-breaking resorts in Wailea after the deadliest wildfire in the U.S. for more than a century that caused an estimated $5billion in damage. ...
FEMA teams have checked in at three five-star hotels, the Fairmont Kea Lani, Four Seasons, and the Grand Wailea Astoria where past guests include members of Hollywood's elite.
Their rooms carry price tags that are well out of reach of most hard-working Americans.
Federal government rates for this week at all three resorts start at an eye-watering $1,000, company sources told DailyMail.com. ...
Is it odd that the death toll has been stuck on 114 for several days? Hawaii.gov must hate its residents to keep them in the dark like this.
FEMA officials are holed up at three five-star, $1,000-A-NIGHT luxury Maui hotels while they do nothing to search, rescue or recover diddly squat.More, plus photos, at Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12430203/FEMA-officials-staying-luxury-Maui-hotels.html)
Is it odd that the death toll has been stuck on 114 for several days? Hawaii.gov must hate its residents to keep them in the dark like this.I read somewhere it is actually well over 400, with some 800 still unaccounted for.
They aren't even trying to live up to the old Reagan quote of 'We are the Govt and we're here to help'.Yeah, the people so generously given a $700 check couldn't even stay one night with that.
Yeah, the people so generously given a $700 check couldn't even stay one night with that.They can't afford the $1,000 per night hotels in which a 1,000 or so FEMA bureaucrats are staying, that's for sure.
They can't afford the $1,000 per night hotels in which a 1,000 or so FEMA bureaucrats are staying, that's for sure.
FEMA busy at workIt's 5 o'clock somewhere.
Associated Press (https://apnews.com/article/hawaii-fires-timeline-maui-lahaina-road-block-c8522222f6de587bd14b2da0020c40e9)
In deadly Maui fires, many had no warning and no way out. Those who dodged barricades survived
By REBECCA BOONE, HEATHER HOLLINGSWORTH, CLAUDIA LAUER and CHRISTOPHER L. KELLER
Updated 1:12 AM EDT, August 23, 2023
As flames tore through a West Maui neighborhood, car after car of fleeing residents headed for the only paved road out of town in a desperate race for safety.
And car after car was turned back toward the rapidly spreading wildfire by a barricade blocking access to Highway 30.
One family swerved around the barricade and was safe in a nearby town 48 minutes later, another drove their 4-wheel-drive car down a dirt road to escape. One man took an dirt road uphill, climbing above the fire and watching as Lahaina burned. He later picked his way through the flames, smoke and rubble to pull survivors to safety. ...
WTH??Murder
MurderDim sponsored and executed
Dim sponsored and executedIt's what they do.
Murder
Land Grab.
Both! The first (murder) to facilitate the latter (land grab).
Land Grab.
Parents find remains of teen son hugging dead dog in Maui home destroyed by wildfire8888crybaby
By Ronny Reyes
August 24, 2023 1:01pm
Grieving parents found the body of their 14-year-old adopted son hugging his dead dog after the Maui wildfires — then carried him around half a mile to a police station to be confirmed among the dead.
Schoolboy Keyiro Fuentes had been home alone enjoying his last day of summer break when the deadliest US wildfires in a century started overwhelming his neighborhood in Lahaina, his mother, Luz Vargas, told CBS News.
The mom was working five miles away at the time — and unable to get home when she saw the smoke, despite begging cops to let her through their barriers.
When she and the rest of her family managed to search their home two days later, they found Keyiro’s charred body wrapped around his dead dog, the sobbing mom told CBS.
“He was not as I expected, in ashes,” she said of the body thought to have been preserved by the extreme heat.
“God maintained him like this. So, we knew it was him,” she said of her adopted son.
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8888crybaby
:yowsa: It's truly heartbreaking and I'm sure that isn't the only story like that. I hope the MFs responsible rot in hell!
Parents find remains of teen son hugging dead dog in Maui home destroyed by wildfire
By Ronny Reyes
August 24, 2023 1:01pm
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Grieving parents found the body of their 14-year-old adopted son hugging his dead dog after the Maui wildfires — then carried him around half a mile to a police station to be confirmed among the dead.
Schoolboy Keyiro Fuentes had been home alone enjoying his last day of summer break when the deadliest US wildfires in a century started overwhelming his neighborhood in Lahaina, his mother, Luz Vargas, told CBS News.
The mom was working five miles away at the time — and unable to get home when she saw the smoke, despite begging cops to let her through their barriers.
When she and the rest of her family managed to search their home two days later, they found Keyiro’s charred body wrapped around his dead dog, the sobbing mom told CBS.
“He was not as I expected, in ashes,” she said of the body thought to have been preserved by the extreme heat.
“God maintained him like this. So, we knew it was him,” she said of her adopted son.
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I saw another account of this story that said the mom tried to go home to get the boy out, but the police would not let her, saying that the area had already been cleared. 8888crybaby
I am in tears.
Grieving parents found the body of their 14-year-old adopted son hugging his dead dog after the Maui wildfires — then carried him around half a mile to a police station to be confirmed among the dead.
What in the hell are local government officials doing? I thought they were supposed to be handling the search?
@HoodatThink Firestorm. Dresden in miniature. It didn't need to be as big, the winds provided the blast furnace effect instead of sheer convection.
It's confusing to the casual follower because only 'early' photos showed that residences and or businesses shared common walls...and flammable roofs.
Later photos showed similar devastation but to single-family detached properties with driveways and yards...but noticing that EVERY rubber tire on the burned out vehicles were dissolved.
How does a fire get THAT hot, where humans are broiled alive before they even get a chance to run?
Think Firestorm. Dresden in miniature. It didn't need to be as big, the winds provided the blast furnace effect instead of sheer convection.
Maui County Sues Hawaiian Electric for Causing Wildfire Through Negligence
Maui County, the local government of the Hawaiian island that suffered a devastating wildfire earlier this month, sued the Hawaiian Electric Company (HECO) on Thursday, alleging it caused the blaze though negligence.
https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2023/08/25/maui-county-sues-hawaiian-electric-for-causing-wildfire-through-negligence/
Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.
I guess, like California, they don't want reliable power there. They'll just turn off the power when the wind blows...It's that or trim the bloody trees away from the lines.
It's that or trim the bloody trees away from the lines.
When the winds are 60+ MPH, loose vegetation and/or trash blows into them period. If there's any fuel nearby it goes up in flames. Under those conditions you have to keep ALL the fuel cut way back to be effective. This country's standard of living is devolving...If the trees were leaning on them to start, it takes a lot less to get the barbecue going.
It's that or trim the bloody trees away from the lines.
If the trees were leaning on them to start, it takes a lot less to get the barbecue going.
The FBI remains committed to its missing persons search as hundreds remain unaccounted for
In other words, the FBI jumped on board for a government-paid trip to Hawaii in $1,000 per night resorts. Don't remember the FBI setting up camp in Plaquemine Parish, Louisiana searching for missing persons after Katrina.
"I'm with the government, and I am here to help"
Bears repeating that the root cause of this disaster was the blue state's obsession with building green energy infrastructure, and shifting to its capitalization instead of maintaing existing equipment.
This is a tightly held secret by the enviro-whackos, but if the truth is told, these enviro-whackos are complicit in murder of those poor victims in Lahaina.
Same thing in California.
Bears repeating that the root cause of this disaster was the blue state's obsession with building green energy infrastructure, and shifting to its capitalization instead of maintaing existing equipment.
This is a tightly held secret by the enviro-whackos, but if the truth is told, these enviro-whackos are complicit in murder of those poor victims in Lahaina.
Unintended consequences @catfish1957
Nothing more.
Bears repeating that the root cause of this disaster was the blue state's obsession with building green energy infrastructure, and shifting to its capitalization instead of maintaing existing equipment.
This is a tightly held secret by the enviro-whackos, but if the truth is told, these enviro-whackos are complicit in murder of those poor victims in Lahaina.
Same thing in California.
What Really Happened on Maui - I Was There (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-really-happened-maui-i-dr-kathy-j-forti/)
(https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D5612AQEAWTQDQmVA2A/article-cover_image-shrink_720_1280/0/1691883141734?e=1698278400&v=beta&t=9c4w0Da2yXdHHxy47sHmlpBIEkIcaKBuhoguAs0r0dc)
My story of what happened:
The Strange Maui Fires
A friend called me early on the morning of Tuesday, August 8th and told me he had a strong urge to visit Lahaina that day. Tempting me with lunch at Cool Cats, one of my favorite eateries in Old Lahaina, I said “Okay. Let’s go!”
The 30 minute drive was without incident, without winds, and without any warning advisories. As soon as we reached Lahaina, all power got zapped. Cell phone, internet, traffic lights, GPS, the 911 emergency system (which is never supposed to go down) and the power outage caused every store and shopping mall to immediately close. Nothing was open.
Then the winds came in, bringing with it a rare rainless hurricane with gusts from 60-80mph. Trees became uprooted and branches were coming down everywhere, along with power poles. I heard a crash behind me and where I was less than 30 seconds prior was a crashed and uprooted tree. It was time to get out of there.
No evacuation sirens ever went off that day when the fires began. They failed as well. My friend and I had to escape through the back road going all the way around the island as all traffic was blocked in the other direction. Many might not have known about this back route since GPS was down...
Excerpt: Rest at headline link
What Really Happened on Maui - I Was There (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-really-happened-maui-i-dr-kathy-j-forti/)A interesting story about how quickly things happened and how much went wrong, would have been better if he had left out the loony.
(https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D5612AQEAWTQDQmVA2A/article-cover_image-shrink_720_1280/0/1691883141734?e=1698278400&v=beta&t=9c4w0Da2yXdHHxy47sHmlpBIEkIcaKBuhoguAs0r0dc)
My story of what happened:
The Strange Maui Fires
A friend called me early on the morning of Tuesday, August 8th and told me he had a strong urge to visit Lahaina that day. Tempting me with lunch at Cool Cats, one of my favorite eateries in Old Lahaina, I said “Okay. Let’s go!”
The 30 minute drive was without incident, without winds, and without any warning advisories. As soon as we reached Lahaina, all power got zapped. Cell phone, internet, traffic lights, GPS, the 911 emergency system (which is never supposed to go down) and the power outage caused every store and shopping mall to immediately close. Nothing was open.
Then the winds came in, bringing with it a rare rainless hurricane with gusts from 60-80mph. Trees became uprooted and branches were coming down everywhere, along with power poles. I heard a crash behind me and where I was less than 30 seconds prior was a crashed and uprooted tree. It was time to get out of there.
No evacuation sirens ever went off that day when the fires began. They failed as well. My friend and I had to escape through the back road going all the way around the island as all traffic was blocked in the other direction. Many might not have known about this back route since GPS was down...
Excerpt: Rest at headline link
What Really Happened on Maui - I Was There (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-really-happened-maui-i-dr-kathy-j-forti/)
(https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D5612AQEAWTQDQmVA2A/article-cover_image-shrink_720_1280/0/1691883141734?e=1698278400&v=beta&t=9c4w0Da2yXdHHxy47sHmlpBIEkIcaKBuhoguAs0r0dc)
My story of what happened:
The Strange Maui Fires
A friend called me early on the morning of Tuesday, August 8th and told me he had a strong urge to visit Lahaina that day. Tempting me with lunch at Cool Cats, one of my favorite eateries in Old Lahaina, I said “Okay. Let’s go!”
The 30 minute drive was without incident, without winds, and without any warning advisories. As soon as we reached Lahaina, all power got zapped. Cell phone, internet, traffic lights, GPS, the 911 emergency system (which is never supposed to go down) and the power outage caused every store and shopping mall to immediately close. Nothing was open.
Then the winds came in, bringing with it a rare rainless hurricane with gusts from 60-80mph. Trees became uprooted and branches were coming down everywhere, along with power poles. I heard a crash behind me and where I was less than 30 seconds prior was a crashed and uprooted tree. It was time to get out of there.
No evacuation sirens ever went off that day when the fires began. They failed as well. My friend and I had to escape through the back road going all the way around the island as all traffic was blocked in the other direction. Many might not have known about this back route since GPS was down...
Excerpt: Rest at headline link
‘We’re All Trapped Here…They’re Blocking Off All Exits’: Driver Furious as Police Vehicle Speeds Past Him to ‘Trap’ Residents Fleeing Lahaina Wildfires
by Adan Salazar
August 25th 2023, 1:05 pm
Video shows police vehicle speed past Lahaina motorists as they tried to escape deadly wildfires.
'Probably to block our street,' noted resident stuck in line of cars.
(https://api-assets.infowars.com/2023/08/police2367.jpg)
https://twitter.com/realstewpeters/status/1694439043809865737
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https://www.infowars.com/posts/were-all-trapped-here-theyre-blocking-off-all-exits-driver-furious-as-police-vehicle-speeds-past-him-to-trap-residents-fleeing-lahaina-wildfires/
Shocking footage out of Maui shows a police vehicle presumably on its way to block residents of Lahaina, Hawaii, from escaping as deadly wildfires raged.
The video appears to have been shot by a resident stuck in a line of cars on a highway as high winds impacted the region shortly before fires tore through and destroyed the town.
“Good luck,” the driver of a car stuck in a line of vehicles said as he filmed a police squad car passing him.
“Look at this. Holy shit. This is a nightmare,” the man noted, going on to add, “I don’t know where he’s going. Probably to block our street.”
“They’re going to bleep barbecue all these people down in Lahaina,” the man ominously predicted.
Conspiracy theory, or just a crime so outrageous that no one will believe it? (which was Obama's signature M.O.)
https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/marines-arrest-67-maui-perpetrators/ (https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/marines-arrest-67-maui-perpetrators/)
https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/marines-neutralize-fleeing-fema-convoy-in-maui/ (https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/marines-neutralize-fleeing-fema-convoy-in-maui/)
https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/military-arrests-fema-deputy-administrator-erick-hooks/ (https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/military-arrests-fema-deputy-administrator-erick-hooks/)
https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/white-hats-to-maui/ (https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/white-hats-to-maui/)
https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/maui-massacre/ (https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/maui-massacre/)
https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/deep-state-take-down-maui/ (https://realrawnews.com/2023/08/deep-state-take-down-maui/)
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Cajun Navy podcast take: https://wondery.com/shows/eye-on-veterans/episode/12814-is-enough-being-done-to-help-maui-cajun-navy-ground-force-updates-from-lahaina/ (https://wondery.com/shows/eye-on-veterans/episode/12814-is-enough-being-done-to-help-maui-cajun-navy-ground-force-updates-from-lahaina/)
‘We’re All Trapped Here…They’re Blocking Off All Exits’: Driver Furious as Police Vehicle Speeds Past Him to ‘Trap’ Residents Fleeing Lahaina Wildfires
by Adan Salazar
August 25th 2023, 1:05 pm
Video shows police vehicle speed past Lahaina motorists as they tried to escape deadly wildfires.
'Probably to block our street,' noted resident stuck in line of cars.
(https://api-assets.infowars.com/2023/08/police2367.jpg)
https://twitter.com/realstewpeters/status/1694439043809865737
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https://www.infowars.com/posts/were-all-trapped-here-theyre-blocking-off-all-exits-driver-furious-as-police-vehicle-speeds-past-him-to-trap-residents-fleeing-lahaina-wildfires/
Shocking footage out of Maui shows a police vehicle presumably on its way to block residents of Lahaina, Hawaii, from escaping as deadly wildfires raged.
The video appears to have been shot by a resident stuck in a line of cars on a highway as high winds impacted the region shortly before fires tore through and destroyed the town.
“Good luck,” the driver of a car stuck in a line of vehicles said as he filmed a police squad car passing him.
“Look at this. Holy shit. This is a nightmare,” the man noted, going on to add, “I don’t know where he’s going. Probably to block our street.”
“They’re going to bleep barbecue all these people down in Lahaina,” the man ominously predicted.
There have been some pretty damning videos of lines on the ground and fires in the area near them, but today Hawaiian Electric said, “That wasn’t us.” And dropped a bombshell about the power running through the lines.
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According to the power company, they’d gotten to the scene of the 6:30 morning fire with firefighters, and gotten the power shut off right then. Linemen stayed in the area until the fire crews got the fire under control and declared it extinguished.
Later, HECO crews returned to repair the damaged poles from the morning, and, while in the middle of repairing and clearing that, they spotted another fire breaking out in a nearby field.
The company says electricity had never been turned back on.
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Residents in the area are convinced it was the first fire which reignited, and then took off on a destructive, raging path towards Lahaina proper.
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Whatever people believe was the cause of the second blaze at 3 pm, HECO says it has the receipts as far as shutting the juice down and leaving it off.
Mr. M spent some time today with a friend of ours who is a retired official of the U.S. Forest Service (Ph.D. in forestry, tons of experience). He said the problem in Maui is that with the demise of agriculture on the island, including products like pineapples now grown cheaper in Costa Rica, the fields have been abandoned. In these formerly-cleared agricultural plots now grows an invasive type of grass that made choice fuel - just like kindling, he said - for a fortuitous wildfire.
It's TikTok post like that which fueled wild conspiracies faster than the spread of the fire itself. A police car speeding past a traffic jam is presumed by the person filming to be racing ahead to keep people from leaving. And all the Tic-Tok followers just believe it's true. Yet the person filming survived.
James O'KeefeMove over... :2popcorn:
@JamesOKeefeIII
Just got back from Maui.
Our crew, myself included, secretly recorded state and federal officials along the burn zone being honest.
Stay tuned Thursday PM for Part 1 of our *Undercover in #Lahaina* installment.
@GovHawaii fasten your seatbelt.
#OMG indeed…
3:06 AM · Sep 14, 2023
:pop41:
:2popcorn: :2popcorn:
I'll fire up the popcorn popper.... it's gonna get crowded here.
O'Keefe is the Brietbart of his generation.
I just want to see how many "conspiracy theories" get verified.
(Not holding my breath on the DEW one, I never held with that).
There's plenty more others, mostly wrapped around a central belief in a land grab.
Probably going to be a lot of comments on land-grabs, especially regarding the property survivors who've lost everything.Or those who died...whose land might be taken for taxes, if the heir(s) can't be found.
Or those who died...whose land might be taken for taxes, if the heir(s) can't be found.
Thought about that, but who'd be in a position to even conspire to create false notarized documents to create liens on said properties?The tax assessor would be enough. Auction on the courthouse steps.
...and clever enough to get away with it?? happy77
Thought about that, but who'd be in a position to even conspire to create false notarized documents to create liens on said properties?
...and clever enough to get away with it?? happy77
Thought about that, but who'd be in a position to even conspire to create false notarized documents to create liens on said properties?
...and clever enough to get away with it?? happy77
Or those who died...whose land might be taken for taxes, if the heir(s) can't be found.
Just watched part 1 of the O'Keefe videos. It was a whole lot of nothing.
From what I hear, a lot of that property is treated like it is on the rez... just handed down. who knows the last time the paper was figgered out... Natives don't worry that sort of thing... Everybody just knows.Yeah. It's the trust lands that get muddled up with the BIA in there.
Her initials are "Oprah Winfrey."
Here's the Recent Development Concerning the Death Toll From the Maui WildfiresI fully anticipated the death toll would be reduced, if only in the 'incoming' statistics, when the number of remains stalled. As if any were okay, or the reduction in numbers somehow mitigates the indications that this was preventable had the entire situation not been handled badly from even before the fire.
Matt Vespa
Does anyone remember the Maui wildfires? It remains one of the worst wildfires in American history. It’s the one where Joe Biden did not comment about the rising death toll because he was too busy enjoying the beach. The man took two vacations before his little visit to the island two weeks after the blaze killed nearly 100 people and caused at least $6 billion in damages. The fires broke out on August 8, destroying entire communities; Joe arrived two weeks later.
There’s a new development in the death toll. It’s been revised down, from 115 to 97. It’s still tragic, but the island’s medical examiner had some remarks that are indelicate in print (via NYT):
The authorities announced on Friday that they currently believe 97 people died in the Maui wildfire instead of the 115 fatalities they had been reporting for weeks, a surprising development after initial fears that many more lives had been lost in the disaster.
Dr. Jeremy Stuelpnagel, the medical examiner for Maui County, said in a news conference that the process of confirming dead victims and identifying them through DNA analysis had been difficult and changing ever since the fire on Aug. 8 that destroyed most of Lahaina.
It is the first time that the Maui death toll has dropped. In some instances, Dr. Stuelpnagel explained, forensic examiners have determined that they had multiple sets of remains for the same person. He also said that 16 of the remains that investigators had received were nonhuman.
“It’s good news to have a lower number, that’s for darn sure,” Dr. Stuelpnagel said on Friday.
For more than three weeks, officials said that at least 115 people died, a number that held firm even as hundreds were said to be missing and investigators kept combing through the ruins of central Lahaina.
[…]
But the number of people unaccounted for has now fallen to 31, John Pelletier, the chief of the Maui Police Department, said on Friday. After publishing multiple versions of lists with names of people thought to be missing, the authorities have located most of the individuals.
Identifying the dead has been a massive undertaking that has drawn out for more than a month, requiring DNA samples from family, dental experts and dealing with remains that are burned beyond recognition.
Dr. Stuelpnagel said there were cases where they had the remains of someone, but later found bones with the same DNA.
He also said there were 16 cases that were nonhuman, “mixed in with the other people who have come through, so there’s lots and lots of moving bits of information in this situation.”
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2023/09/16/heres-the-recent-development-concerning-the-death-toll-from-the-maui-wildfires-n2628526
Nick Sortor
@nicksortor
Aloha from Maui, where the great people of the island are STILL being shafted by the government—and they're FED UP.
THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE, and we’re going to put this story back in the news cycle.
⚠️ Residents are STILL being prevented from visiting their properties
⚠️ The town is STILL fortified
⚠️ Toxic waste is being placed on the hillside directly above the town
⚠️ Most are receiving practically ZERO AID
The government is literally trying to FORCE these people to move off the island, and in many cases, IT’S WORKING. And on top of all that, NOBODY IS BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
The fires happened over 5 months ago, and the lack of support residents are receiving is INFURIATING.
I’ll be working here on the ground with community members to expose the corrupt coverup that’s underway.
STAY TUNED.
6:19 PM · Jan 22, 2024 from Lahaina, HI
Thank you, @berdie - It's the old newspaper reporter in me that wants to follow up on a story and let people know what's been happening.
UPDATE Feb. 5, 2024
Maui seems to have turned into East Palestine, Ohio.
Maui County is REFUSING to let residents who lost their homes in the fire to clear their own property—let alone rebuild. The government is only letting THEIR contractors into the burn zone to clean up.
https://twitter.com/nicksortor/status/1754627473348899021
That is just wrong on so many levels.
@berdieTwo things: anything of intrinsic value (precious metals, even melted down have value) will not be recovered by residents, nor will anything they may have decided to hide in a flowerbed or the back yard...
Normally we would be saying that this is happening because the local real estate industry and bribed the city to do this so they could buy up acreage cheap to sell high down the road,but there ain't no such critter as "cheap land" in Hawaii.
Maybe the Uber Wealthy just want larger estates,and the only way to get them it to buy condemned land?
Two things: anything of intrinsic value (precious metals, even melted down have value) will not be recovered by residents, nor will anything they may have decided to hide in a flowerbed or the back yard...
When the approved cleanup is done, the owners will be presented with the tab. Such tabs tend to be creatively billed, with all the expense that implies. Don't pay the tab? then there is a lien against your property....
All part of the land grab.