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General Category => Elections 2024 => Topic started by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 28, 2023, 01:08:21 pm
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So I've seen this raised a couple of times by @catfish1957 , and hadn't heard it myself, so I did some digging and sure enough, Trump is proposing some absolutely massive government proposals to achieve a "quantum leap in the American standard of living." There's an article and then the actual video of Trump himself saying these things, so there's no question this is legit/not fake.
It involves building massive new cities on federal land, building personal vertical takeoff/landing aircraft for individual families, etc.. The cost of what he is proposing is probably in the tens of trillions. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that this is coming from a candidate in the party that is supposed to be the conservative party in this country.
Modern cities and flying cars might sound like the makings of an episode of the 1960s cartoon The Jetsons, where a fictionalized family flew around in Orbit City.
For former President Donald Trump, however, it’s the foundation of a new set of futuristic policy proposals.
In a video set to be released on Friday, Trump will call for a “quantum leap” in the American standard of living.
Trump’s plan, shared in advance with POLITICO, calls for holding a contest to design and create up to ten new “Freedom Cities,” built from the ground up on federal land. It proposes an investment in the development of vertical-takeoff-and-landing vehicles; the creation of “hives of industry” sparked by cutting off imports from China; and a population surge sparked by “baby bonuses” to encourage would-be-parents to get on with procreation. It is all, his team says, part of a larger nationwide beautification campaign meant to inspire forward-looking visions of America’s future.
“Past generations of Americans pursued big dreams and daring projects that once seemed absolutely impossible. They pushed across an unsettled continent and built new cities in the wild frontier. They transformed American life with the interstate highway system—magnificent it was. And they launched a vast network of satellites into orbit all around the earth,” Trump said in his video.
“But today, our country has lost its boldness. Under my leadership, we will get it back in a very big way. If you look at just three years ago, what we were doing was unthinkable, how good it was, how great it was for our country. Our objective will be a quantum leap in the American standard of living,” Trump said.
Trump campaign advisers acknowledge the new set of plans are out of the ordinary. But they note he’s made other eye-popping proposals before — like purchasing Greenland from Denmark. They offered analogies to Abraham Lincoln’s campaign for the transcontinental railroad, Teddy Roosevelt’s vision for a national park service, and Dwight D. Eisenhower’s Interstate Highway System.
A former celebrity real estate developer and TV personality, Trump has a long history of outlining audacious new initiatives that are heavy on imagery and light on details. The latest offerings come with a few explanations for how they will be executed.
Trump says he would host a contest for the public to design and then build “Freedom Cities” on a small portion of federal land to “reopen the frontier, reignite American imagination, and give hundreds of thousands of young people and other people, all hardworking families, a new shot at home ownership and in fact, the American Dream.”
Trump’s call for investments in vertical-takeoff-and-landing vehicles, which he says could transform transportation and connect rural and urban America, is part of a “major initiative” focused on lowering the cost of a new car and creating new transportation methods. It comes as companies like Boeing and Honda are currently spending billions to develop and test electric vertical takeoff and landing vehicles that operate like giant drones for humans.
“Just as the United States led the automotive revolution in the last century, I want to ensure that America, not China, leads this revolution in air mobility,” Trump said in the video.
As for “baby bonuses” to encourage the next baby boom and tackle America’s slowing birth rate, Trump appears to be (knowingly or not) borrowing a page from others, like Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.). During the 2020 campaign, the New Jersey Democrat proposed “baby bonds,” which would set aside funds in a savings account for every child in America.
Trump’s advisers concede that the set of proposals put out on Friday are broad brushstrokes. But they also insist that they aren’t moonshot either.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/03/trump-policy-futuristic-cities-00085383
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJA_GBhCGgE
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Trump's been watching "Meet the Robinsons" again:
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I am not an economist Major, but I do understand finance and how it interplays with business and government pretty well.
Let's hear how much Trump thinks it will cost. My Wild assed guess estimate? $10-15T, with at least 75-90% subsidized by taxpayers.
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I am not an economist Major, but I do understand finance and how it interplays with business and government pretty well.
Let's hear how much Trump thinks it will cost. My Wild assed guess estimate? $10-15T, with at least 75-90% subsidized by taxpayers.
This is the kind of thing that if it was proposed by a Democrat, every conservative/GOP politician and voter in the country would be mocking openly as the quintessential example of big government run amok. It would be a meme we'd be making jokes about for literally decades, like Dukakis in the tank.
I hope every Trump-supporting politician is asked about this, and whether or not they support it. And I hope that when the primary really gets going, the Fox Business panel focuses on this specific proposal.
The wildest thing about this is that we're seeing cities become less necessary because of the ability to remote work. The logic of building entirely new cities is just...bizarre.
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This is the kind of thing that if it was proposed by a Democrat, every conservative/GOP politician and voter in the country would be mocking openly as the quintessential example of big government run amok. It would be a meme we'd be making jokes about for literally decades, like Dukakis in the tank.
I hope every Trump-supporting politician is asked about this, and whether or not they support it. And I hope that when the primary really gets going, the Fox Business panel focuses on this specific proposal.
The wildest thing about this is that we're seeing cities become less necessary because of the ability to remote work. The logic of building entirely new cities is just...bizarre.
Trump is out FDR-ing FDR.
And I got a chuckle from the poster earlier with his Trump love while sporting a Coolidge pic on his profile. Irony at its best.
OTOH, and speaking of FBN, I got a lot of respect for Kudlow, and am dying to hear what he thinks of this. I hope he will speak honestly and candidly rather than continuing to carry his bosses water.
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Question:
1. Where is he going to build these 'Freedom Cities'
2. Of course where is he going to get the money
3. Does the average Trump supporter really want to live in a City
4. What is going to happen to these Freedom cities in 50 years
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Question:
1. Where is he going to build these 'Freedom Cities'.
I believe near or at 90% of federal owned lands are west of the Mississippi, including a lot in Alaska, and in overall western states away from coastal areas. That's a pretty wide selection, but the best I can guess at this point.
2. Of course where is he going to get the money
If history repeats, and I think it will, I am guessing 10 cities would run in the neighborhood of $10-15T, with 75-90% of those costs being covered by the US Taxpayer. Think FDR on steroids.
3. Does the average Trump supporter really want to live in a City
Or even a better question is does the average Trump supporter support this socialist idea. I challenge one single Orange Leanng Briefer to defend this initiative. I dare you!!!!!
4. What is going to happen to these Freedom cities in 50 years
I think you kind of answered your owned question with timing, and the quality of demographic that typically inhabits large cities. This is maybe the most stupid and idiotic idea Trump has ever had. And I wish just one Briefer would come here and debate me on the matter.
I kind of touched upon it, in an earlier thread, but from my understanding of the economic interphase of business/government, my prognotistication above in blue.
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The wildest thing about this is that we're seeing cities become less necessary because of the ability to remote work. The logic of building entirely new cities is just...bizarre.
Exactly. We need to move away from bigger and bigger megacities of centralized power and long supply chains. That's one of the biggest problems we have now.
It's a dumb idea.
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Question:
1. Where is he going to build these 'Freedom Cities'
2. Of course where is he going to get the money
3. Does the average Trump supporter really want to live in a City
4. What is going to happen to these Freedom cities in 50 years
This is literally the same thing they do centrally-planned, command economies. China, Russia, etc.. It's lunacy. This is the exact kind of thing you'd expect to hear from someone like Gavin Newsome at his nuttiest.
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I nominate Port-au-Prince, Haiti. There's no intrusive, oppressive Government repression there.
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Question:
1. Where is he going to build these 'Freedom Cities'
2. Of course where is he going to get the money
3. Does the average Trump supporter really want to live in a City
4. What is going to happen to these Freedom cities in 50 years
What will happen in 50 years? Just consider Brasilia, or Chandigarh.
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Our existing cities should be freedom cities, but the people living in them keep voting for less freedom, so how would this be different? I like Trump thinking big but this is a dud in my eyes. But at least someone is proposing something new I guess?
I'm not all negative on this...
Trump was mocked for the space force and IMO it will be come to be seen as a visionary proposal given enough time.
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Our existing cities should be freedom cities, but the people living in them keep voting for less freedom, so how would this be different? I like Trump thinking big but this is a dud in my eyes. But at least someone is proposing something new I guess?
I'm not all negative on this...
Trump was mocked for the space force and IMO it will be come to be seen as a visionary proposal given enough time.
Except we have a $32 trillion problem that’s only gonna grow in the next several years. And, to at least attempt to rein that in, it’s going to require some tough, and sometimes unpopular decisions.
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Our existing cities should be freedom cities, but the people living in them keep voting for less freedom, so how would this be different? I like Trump thinking big but this is a dud in my eyes. But at least someone is proposing something new I guess?
I'm not all negative on this...
Trump was mocked for the space force and IMO it will be come to be seen as a visionary proposal given enough time.
You really think this government can sustain another $10-15T in incurred federal debt?
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You really think this government can sustain another $10-15T in incurred federal debt?
Well, that’s a typical politician. Big on ideas, small on the details, no idea how to pay for them.
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Young Kansas girls will swarm to these cities. If they can get past the flying monkeys.
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Young Kansas girls will swarm to these cities. If they can get past the flying monkeys.
Don't worry.... Hillary has large cages and a big broom for containment.
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You really think this government can sustain another $10-15T in incurred federal debt?
:shrug:
I don't think anything will change. And I don't see any government with a currency doing a substantially better job. People who think China currency will replace the US are dreaming, they're even more foolish than we are with money.
And even small government conversatives like Reagan cannot stop the deficity spending (it's military so it's "ok" somehow).
Sorry to be a pessimist.
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I believe near or at 90% of federal owned lands are west of the Mississippi, including a lot in Alaska, and in overall western states away from coastal areas. That's a pretty wide selection, but the best I can guess at this point.
And this exposes one of the critical flaws in this kind of centrally planned bullsh*t.
Settlements and cities emerge naturally at points where it makes economic sense for them to do so. That means reasons such as trade, access to navigable water, proximity to critical raw materials, etc..
That's a pretty good description of what most federally-owned land isn't. So why in the hell would you want to build cities there? Who is going to move there, and why?
On top of that, It is inherent in Trump's plan that the government is going to be selecting these particular sites, and that the government is going to decide which of the proposed city models entered into this competition are the winners. What person who has ever voted Republican in their life actually believes that is a good idea?
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Young Kansas girls will swarm to these cities. If they can get past the flying monkeys.
And then they'll learn there was no place like home, after all.
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Our existing cities should be freedom cities, but the people living in them keep voting for less freedom, so how would this be different? I like Trump thinking big but this is a dud in my eyes. But at least someone is proposing something new I guess?
I'm not all negative on this...
Trump was mocked for the space force and IMO it will be come to be seen as a visionary proposal given enough time.
The Space Force is necessary, however, I'm afraid those 'Freedom Cities' will end up those Ghost Cities like the ones in China
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt-Pa5s5zZI
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I like Trump thinking big but this is a dud in my eyes. But at least someone is proposing something new I guess?
I'm not all negative on this...
Though this specific idea is stupid and poorly thought out on its own, the biggest issue I have is that it is a big government idea. There are plenty of "big ideas" out there that don't involve massive expenditures and central economic planning. I want any Republican President to have an instinctive opposition to that. Instead, Trump is proposing it. So what other "big government" ideas does he support?
I don't know what's worse - believing that he didn't have any economic advisors who tried to talk him out of this, or that he did but he refused to listen to them.
Trump was mocked for the space force and IMO it will be come to be seen as a visionary proposal given enough time.
That was basically just consolidating a bunch of pre-existing government/military activities into a single command. And I think most would agree that those things were all legitimate areas for government activity in the first place.
This is something entirely different.
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So I've seen this raised a couple of times by @catfish1957 , and hadn't heard it myself, so I did some digging and sure enough, Trump is proposing some absolutely massive government proposals to achieve a "quantum leap in the American standard of living." There's an article and then the actual video of Trump himself saying these things, so there's no question this is legit/not fake.
It involves building massive new cities on federal land, building personal vertical takeoff/landing aircraft for individual families, etc.. The cost of what he is proposing is probably in the tens of trillions. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that this is coming from a candidate in the party that is supposed to be the conservative party in this country.
But wait!
Is it a coincidence that Tumpy is talking cities at the same time as Davos is hawking their 15 minute cities? Both leaning on modernity...
Presumably, Federal land, federal money... the Feds will own these cities...
'You'll own nothing, and be happy'... :whistle:
Stinks of Davos.
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Though this specific idea is stupid and poorly thought out on its own, the biggest issue I have is that it is a big government idea. There are plenty of "big ideas" out there that don't involve massive expenditures and central economic planning. I want any Republican President to have an instinctive opposition to that. Instead, Trump is proposing it. So what other "big government" ideas does he support?
I don't know what's worse - believing that he didn't have any economic advisors who tried to talk him out of this, or that he did but he refused to listen to them.
That was basically just consolidating a bunch of pre-existing government/military activities into a single command. And I think most would agree that those things were all legitimate areas for government activity in the first place.
This is something entirely different.
A freedom city... a libertarian type city free from onerous or excessive regulations is a great idea. That is where Trump goes wrong with this. This is what I mean by thinking big.
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You really think this government can sustain another $10-15T in incurred federal debt?
I think the Chinese will cut us off long before that.
This cowboy swagger, swinging for the fences stuff - that crap has to go. We need to ground ourselves, retrench, and fix things.
Trump needs to quit flag waving and papering over things, then focus on solutions to what's broke.
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A freedom city... a libertarian type city free from onerous or excessive regulations is a great idea. That is where Trump goes wrong with this. This is what I mean by thinking big.
You do that by making government smaller, not bigger. I don't think this is just a "mistake" on his part. It's a window into how he actually thinks.
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You do that by making government smaller, not bigger. I don't think this is just a "mistake" on his part. It's a window into how he actually thinks.
Uh huh
Spending more and growing the size of the federal government won’t solve the mess we’re in
As the primary season heats up, and more and more candidates really start to challenge him, I predict he gets worse
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You know what's missing from this thread?
Trump apologist......
I wonder why. :silly:
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But wait!
Is it a coincidence that Tumpy is talking cities at the same time as Davos is hawking their 15 minute cities? Both leaning on modernity...
Presumably, Federal land, federal money... the Feds will own these cities...
'You'll own nothing, and be happy'... :whistle:
Stinks of Davos.
Yes, it does. It smells precisely of the so-called "15 minute city" concept.
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So I've seen this raised a couple of times by @catfish1957 , and hadn't heard it myself, so I did some digging and sure enough, Trump is proposing some absolutely massive government proposals to achieve a "quantum leap in the American standard of living." There's an article and then the actual video of Trump himself saying these things, so there's no question this is legit/not fake.
It involves building massive new cities on federal land, building personal vertical takeoff/landing aircraft for individual families, etc.. The cost of what he is proposing is probably in the tens of trillions. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that this is coming from a candidate in the party that is supposed to be the conservative party in this country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJA_GBhCGgE
Gonna need a bigger printing press to print those dollars...
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You know what's missing from this thread?
Trump apologist......
I wonder why. :silly:
:beer:
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IMO, I think Trump is over promising here for a reason. He’s worried that a more conservative, especially on fiscal matters, candidate will get in the race so he’s desperate to differentiate himself from that possible challenge.
So he makes these spending desires lavish and outrageous to keep a hold on his populist base. The problem is he’s on the path with these promises to outspend Biden
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IMO Trump is jumping the gun. Futuristic cities? How about revamping the current infrastructure and fixing up the cities already in place?
Most of all he needs to be focused on how he's going to win an election without the left stealing it from under him!!!
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Between a GOP candidate making outlandish spending promises, a current president all happy over the ice cream he gets to eat while the nation falls apart, the abuse of children by the education and medical community, watching good people’s income buying less and less, and with the current cities we have becoming jungles, I don’t know if God is punishing us or testing us
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Between a GOP candidate making outlandish spending promises, a current president all happy over the ice cream he gets to eat while the nation falls apart, the abuse of children by the education and medical community, watching good people’s income buying less and less, and with the current cities we have becoming jungles, I don’t know if God is punishing us or testing us
@LMAO We are a nation that is allowing abortions, transgenderism, gay marriages, riots, etc., and have omitted God from our schools. So what do you think??
We can't expect to snub our noses at God and the teachings of the Bible and expect our nation to be rewarded.
As long as we as a people accept the "wokeness" and "political correctness" that has been shoved down our throats it will continue. We keep electing the same RINO's instead of good, conservative, Christians. Unfortunately when we go to the ballot box the selection is very slim.
Personally, I refuse anymore to vote for someone who isn't a conservative. I don't care if the opposition is worse; in the long run the outcome turns out to be pretty much the same.
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Yes, it does. It smells precisely of the so-called "15 minute city" concept.
Like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol4t-vbMUPA
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IMO, I think Trump is over promising here for a reason. He’s worried that a more conservative, especially on fiscal matters, candidate will get in the race so he’s desperate to differentiate himself from that possible challenge.
So he makes these spending desires lavish and outrageous to keep a hold on his populist base. The problem is he’s on the path with these promises to outspend Biden
Just remember: Populism isn't Conservatism.
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Just remember: Populism isn't Conservatism.
He's basically doing the same thing that Biden did with student loan forgiveness - buying votes with tax dollars.
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There was a time when America embraced a challenge . I imagine many in 1962 thought landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to Earth by the end of the decade was ridiculous and a waste of money.
Don't be afraid of engaging the dreamers and innovators among us; encourage them.
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There was a time when America embraced a challenge . I imagine many in 1962 thought landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to Earth by the end of the decade was ridiculous and a waste of money.
Don't be afraid of engaging the dreamers and innovators among us; encourage them.
Considering the $10-$15T cost this would add to the national debt that Trump already balooned as POTUS, this might have been the silliest thing you have ever said at TBR. I swear you will say anything to defend this guy.
Would you go on record and say that you want to bankrupt the country?
In 1962 we were a industrial powerhouse, with one of the best GDP growths in the world. Checked lately?
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There was a time when America embraced a challenge . I imagine many in 1962 thought landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to Earth by the end of the decade was ridiculous and a waste of money.
Don't be afraid of engaging the dreamers and innovators among us; encourage them.
This isn't 1962, and we aren't that country. This is bread and circuses when we got larger problems, and don't need to add more to them.
Let's start fixing what we have first.
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There was a time when America embraced a challenge . I imagine many in 1962 thought landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to Earth by the end of the decade was ridiculous and a waste of money.
Don't be afraid of engaging the dreamers and innovators among us; encourage them.
Imagine, if you wll, that this idea could bring Rod Serling back from the dead.
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There was a time when America embraced a challenge . I imagine many in 1962 thought landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to Earth by the end of the decade was ridiculous and a waste of money.
Don't be afraid of engaging the dreamers and innovators among us; encourage them.
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Dearie, Trump's "Freedom Cities" isn't the future, it's the sordid old past from the 1950s and 1960s, when planned cities like Brasilia and Chandigarh were built, and when the depressing socialist block cities were built in the Soviet Union and other communist countries. All of these planned cities are now falling apart and have rampant crime (even Chandigarh, despite being home to some of India's elites).
In other words, this isn't a daring vision of the future, its a too-rosy-by-half look over the shoulder at the distant, failed, past.
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Dearie, Trump's "Freedom Cities" isn't the future, it's the sordid old past from the 1950s and 1960s, when planned cities like Brasilia and Chandigarh were built, and when the depressing socialist block cities were built in the Soviet Union and other communist countries. All of these planned cities are now falling apart and have rampant crime (even Chandigarh, despite being home to some of India's elites).
In other words, this isn't a daring vision of the future, its a too-rosy-by-half look over the shoulder at the distant, failed, past.
And don't forget Trump's insistance that we have flying cars. I always wanted to be one of the Jetsons. Heck I might get a dog named Astro too. :cool:
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Whatever happened to Biden’s “moon shot” of curing cancer?
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Whatever happened to Biden’s “moon shot” of curing cancer?
That's a cause I could get behind, but with bidet it would be led by dr. dumb.
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It's a very old Idea. Metropolis, 1927 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0017136/?ref_=tt_mv_close (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0017136/?ref_=tt_mv_close)
For the urbanite, a utopia.
For the rest of us, Hell in steel and concrete, aluminum and glass.
Cities breed rules. People who live close together (especially from different cultural backgrounds) seem to need rules, and they go apeshit making them to the point where no one can follow what all the rules are, much less abide by them. A segment of that society will then do as they please, just because they can't follow the rules anyway. There's plenty of that going on today. The result is that the people making all those rules either ignore them, or go all-out Nazi trying to enforce them, and ever making more rules.
That's where our cities are today.
I don't want to live in any city, but if anyone is determined to build something like this, how about a pilot project before going hog wild into production?
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I don't want to live in any city, but if anyone is determined to build something like this, how about a pilot project before going hog wild into production?
I personally don't care either way as long as tax dollars aren't being used to pay for it. If Elon Musk (for example) wants to try to finance some Trumpian Metropolis, it's no skin off my butt.
It's no business of government, though.
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Le Corbusier designed a prototype in the 1920s, called Ville Radieuse: https://99percentinvisible.org/article/ville-radieuse-le-corbusiers-functionalist-plan-utopian-radiant-city/
It would have been a monstrosity of soviet proportions if it had been built.
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In other words, this isn't a daring vision of the future, its a too-rosy-by-half look over the shoulder at the distant, failed, past.
All I'm saying is try not to allow disappoinment, cynicism and fear to consume you. For once, try encouraging those willing to put fresh eyes on a solution ----- motivate them to venture outside the box you created in a desperate attempt to control a messy world.
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All I'm saying is try not to allow disappoinment, cynicism and fear to consume you. For once, try encouraging those willing to put fresh eyes on a solution ----- motivate them to venture outside the box you created in a desperate attempt to control a messy world.
Promising to waste trillions of dollars the U.S. taxpayer does not have building a concept that was invented in the 1920s, and was shown to be a failure by the 1990s, at best, is not a matter of putting fresh eyes on a solution, it's a matter of buying into failure.
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How about Mogadishu, Somolia? Not much pesky Government interference there. Not very much Government, period.
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Their attempt to control a messy world. ?????
I sincerely hope you didn't mean this like it sounds.@Right_in_Virginia.
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How about Mogadishu, Somolia? Not much pesky Government interference there. Not very much Government, period.
Certainly government has a role to play; I don't see anyone saying otherwise; but that role doesn't include building a planned boondoggle on federal land where no city currently exists. That was done in various decades in the 20th Century, and almost all of those planned cities ended up being failures.
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Trump has frequently spoken of American innovation, uniqueness, courage. He's done so not only at rallies for years, he included this theme in the 2020 SOTU address.
The American nation was carved out of the vast frontier by the toughest, strongest, fiercest, and most determined men and women ever to walk on the face of the Earth. Our ancestors braved the unknown; tamed the wilderness; settled the Wild West; lifted millions from poverty, disease, and hunger; vanquished tyranny and fascism; ushered the world to new heights of science and medicine; laid down the railroads, dug out the canals, raised up the skyscrapers. And, ladies and gentlemen, our ancestors built the most exceptional republic ever to exist in all of human history, and we are making it greater than ever before.
This is our glorious and magnificent inheritance. We are Americans. We are pioneers. We are the pathfinders. We settled the New World, we built the modern world, and we changed history forever by embracing the eternal truth that everyone is made equal by the hand of Almighty God.
America is the place where anything can happen. America is the place where anyone can rise. And here, on this land, on this soil, on this continent, the most incredible dreams come true.
This nation is our canvas, and this country is our masterpiece. We look at tomorrow and see unlimited frontiers just waiting to be explored. Our brightest discoveries are not yet known. Our most thrilling stories are not yet told. Our grandest journeys are not yet made. The American Age, the American Epic, the American adventure has only just begun.
Our spirit is still young, the sun is still rising, God’s grace is still shining, and, my fellow Americans, the best is yet to come.
President Donald J. Trump
February 4, 2020
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Their attempt to control a messy world. ?????
I sincerely hope you didn't mean this like it sounds.@Right_in_Virginia.
I have no way of knowing what you heard @berdie
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Their attempt to control a messy world. ?????
I sincerely hope you didn't mean this like it sounds.@Right_in_Virginia.
Trump needs to realize that the powers afforded to him as a president are limited. He is not a dictator, controller and certainly not an authoritarian.
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I have no way of knowing what you heard @berdie
I didn't hear anything @Right_in_Virginia . I was questioning your post #49.
For this evening...I'm gone. But I will really like to see what you think.
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This isn't 1962, and we aren't that country. This is bread and circuses when we got larger problems, and don't need to add more to them.
Let's start fixing what we have first.
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The Space Force is necessary, however, I'm afraid those 'Freedom Cities' will end up those Ghost Cities like the ones in China
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt-Pa5s5zZI
Agreed.
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Central Government city planning was attempted in the 1950s and 1960s. Much current infrastructure spending has to be allocated to fixing the problems that 1950s and 1960s "Urban Renewal" caused.
Tangerine Mussolini wants to build "Freedom Cities" as a real estate scam that enriches the Trump Organization and other real estate development interests.
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Central Government city planning was attempted in the 1950s and 1960s. Much current infrastructure spending has to be allocated to fixing the problems that 1950s and 1960s "Urban Renewal" caused.
Tangerine Mussolini wants to build "Freedom Cities" as a real estate scam that enriches the Trump Organization and other real estate development interests.
Him wanting to fatten his wallet is a given.
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I didn't hear anything @Right_in_Virginia . I was questioning your post #49.
For this evening...I'm gone. But I will really like to see what you think.
Put another way:. What about my post are you questioning @berdie
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Him wanting to fatten his wallet is a given.
This is beneath you @libertybele
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If we were to build some new futuristic city let's do it on the moon.
Failing that we could annex, overtake, or flat overrun one of the Alien cities/bases already there. :patriot:
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There was a time when America embraced a challenge . I imagine many in 1962 thought landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to Earth by the end of the decade was ridiculous and a waste of money.
Don't be afraid of engaging the dreamers and innovators among us; encourage them.
Oh HELL NO.
We can't afford his ridiculous dream.
Stop taking other peoples' money unnecessarily.
Stop growing this overweening federal government.
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And don't forget Trump's insistance that we have flying cars. I always wanted to be one of the Jetsons. Heck I might get a dog named Astro too. :cool:
Oooh WAIT!
ELECTRIC flying cars! *****rollingeyes*****
888high58888 :silly: :cool:
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All I'm saying is try not to allow disappoinment, cynicism and fear to consume you. For once, try encouraging those willing to put fresh eyes on a solution ----- motivate them to venture outside the box you created in a desperate attempt to control a messy world.
Booming federal government is NEVER a solution.
N.E.V.E.R.
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If we were to build some new futuristic city let's do it on the moon.
Failing that we could annex, overtake, or flat overrun one of the Alien cities/bases already there. :patriot:
Perhaps a possibility, they just found caverns on the moon with an abundance of water.
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Oh HELL NO.
We can't afford his ridiculous dream.
Stop taking other peoples' money unnecessarily.
Stop growing this overweening federal government.
I was worried you wouldn't show up. So, thanks. With the clock ticking down, you just won a free dinner for me.
Gotta go. 6666kiss
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Oh HELL NO.
We can't afford his ridiculous dream.
Stop taking other peoples' money unnecessarily.
Stop growing this overweening federal government.
There you go talk'n that silly fiscal sanity talk
Don't you understand that that's what the Fed is for? They can print all the money we need
Dream Big!!!!!
This is just an updated version of the Model Cities program from the Johnson era. And the end result will be the same. This is doomed to fail before it even gets started
So at what point do we get to call him Lyndon Baines Trump?
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All I'm saying is try not to allow disappoinment, cynicism and fear to consume you. For once, try encouraging those willing to put fresh eyes on a solution ----- motivate them to venture outside the box you created in a desperate attempt to control a messy world.
Ridiculous. You're contradicting yourself. Shiny super megacities are not the solution to a messy world. They are practically anti- everything conservative.
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There you go talk'n that silly fiscal sanity talk
Don't you understand that that's what the Fed is for? They can print all the money we need
Dream Big!!!!!
This is just an updated version of the Model Cities program from the Johnson era. And the end result will be the same. This is doomed to fail before it even gets started
So at what point do we get to call him Lyndon Baines Trump?
Them that don't know history are doomed to repeat it... h/t George Santayana
A concept any Conservative would understand intuitively.
But one Tumpy is obviously and entirely ignorant of.
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Ridiculous. You're contradicting yourself. Shiny super megacities are not the solution to a messy world. They are practically anti- everything conservative.
Very much so...
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And don't forget Trump's insistance that we have flying cars. I always wanted to be one of the Jetsons. Heck I might get a dog named Astro too. :cool:
(https://dyn1.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5B1%2F5%2F6%2F6%2F3%2F15663751%5D%2Csizedata%5B850x600%5D&call=url%5Bfile%3Aproduct.chain%5D)
Mrs. L has dibs on Rosie.
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Trump has frequently spoken of American innovation, uniqueness, courage. He's done so not only at rallies for years, he included this theme in the 2020 SOTU address:
The American nation was carved out of the vast frontier by the toughest, strongest, fiercest, and most determined men and women ever to walk on the face of the Earth. Our ancestors braved the unknown; tamed the wilderness; settled the Wild West; lifted millions from poverty, disease, and hunger; vanquished tyranny and fascism; ushered the world to new heights of science and medicine; laid down the railroads, dug out the canals, raised up the skyscrapers. And, ladies and gentlemen, our ancestors built the most exceptional republic ever to exist in all of human history, and we are making it greater than ever before.
This is our glorious and magnificent inheritance. We are Americans. We are pioneers. We are the pathfinders. We settled the New World, we built the modern world, and we changed history forever by embracing the eternal truth that everyone is made equal by the hand of Almighty God.
America is the place where anything can happen. America is the place where anyone can rise. And here, on this land, on this soil, on this continent, the most incredible dreams come true.
This nation is our canvas, and this country is our masterpiece. We look at tomorrow and see unlimited frontiers just waiting to be explored. Our brightest discoveries are not yet known. Our most thrilling stories are not yet told. Our grandest journeys are not yet made. The American Age, the American Epic, the American adventure has only just begun.
Our spirit is still young, the sun is still rising, God’s grace is still shining, and, my fellow Americans, the best is yet to come.
Thanks for clarifying this.
Apparently, neither you nor Trump can tell the difference between the maximized individual choice, economic freedom, and minimalist (at times non-existent) government that actually built this great country, and the stifling central planning and central direction of economic resources he is now advocating for his ridiculously misnamed "Freedom Cities". The idea of the federal government choosing the sites and plans to build new cities, and then funding it, is fundamentally in opposition to the history and founding principles of this country.
This idea absolutely reeks of being the Trumpian equivalent of a Soviet Five-Year plan -- the central planning staple of Communism that helped drive economic growth into the ground. As I said before, I'd have been stunned if Bernie Sanders himself had dared propose such a statist solution to a non-problem. Yet somehow, Trump managed to outflank Bernie from the left with this one.
Biden himself wouldn't have proposed something this stupid.
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Thanks for clarifying this.
Apparently, neither you nor Trump can tell the difference between the maximized individual choice, economic freedom, and minimalist (at times non-existent) government that actually built this great country, and the stifling central planning and central direction of economic resources he is now advocating for his ridiculously misnamed "Freedom Cities". The idea of the federal government choosing the sites and plans to build new cities, and then funding it, is fundamentally in opposition to the history and founding principles of this country.
This idea absolutely reeks of being the Trumpian equivalent of a Soviet Five-Year plan -- the central planning staple of Communism that helped drive economic growth into the ground. As I said before, I'd have been stunned if Bernie Sanders himself had dared propose such a statist solution to a non-problem. Yet somehow, Trump managed to outflank Bernie from the left with this one.
Biden himself wouldn't have proposed something this stupid.
A while back, I stated that a fight may take place in the GOP that pits Big government populism represented by Trump vs conservatism
It's getting worse than I could have even predicted. And the primary season hasn't even begun
Right now, Trump is leading in the polls amongst primary voters because, it's early, he's enjoying the front runner status so far, and Alvin Bragg
But these can turn quickly. In the Summer of 1988, Dukakis was over 20 points in the polls over GHWB. Once the campaign season really got going, GHWB turned that wide deficit into a solid win for the WH
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A while back, I stated that a fight may take place in the GOP that pits Big government populism represented by Trump vs conservatism
It's getting worse than I could have even predicted. And the primary season hasn't even begun
Right now, Trump is leading in the polls amongst primary voters because, it's early, he's enjoying the front runner status so far, and Alvin Bragg
But these can turn quickly. In the Summer of 1988, Dukakis was over 20 points in the polls over GHWB. Once the campaign season really got going, GHWB turned that wide deficit into a solid win for the WH
Well, he may still win the nomination. There just may be more populists than conservatives in the party.
But there aren't enough populists to win a general election.
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A while back, I stated that a fight may take place in the GOP that pits Big government populism represented by Trump vs conservatism
It's getting worse than I could have even predicted. And the primary season hasn't even begun
That's because Conservatives are not represented, except in the Freedom Caucus and a handful of senators, and lately a couple rising star governors.
The real fight right now is between the big government populists and the globalist neocons and right facing liberals...
And really, if you calculate, that is a distinction without a difference. Big government nationalism is as much a whistle stop toward globalism as socialism is a whistle stop toward communism.
The prerequisite essence necessary to stop both is small government and federalism.
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That's because Conservatives are not represented, except in the Freedom Caucus and a handful of senators, and lately a couple rising star governors.
The real fight right now is between the big government populists and the globalist neocons and right facing liberals...
And really, if you calculate, that is a distinction without a difference. Big government nationalism is as much a whistle stop toward globalism as socialism is a whistle stop toward communism.
The prerequisite essence necessary to stop both is small government and federalism.
:thumbsup:
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Thanks for clarifying this.
Apparently, neither you nor Trump can tell the difference between the maximized individual choice, economic freedom, and minimalist (at times non-existent) government that actually built this great country, and the stifling central planning and central direction of economic resources he is now advocating for his ridiculously misnamed "Freedom Cities". The idea of the federal government choosing the sites and plans to build new cities, and then funding it, is fundamentally in opposition to the history and founding principles of this country.
This idea absolutely reeks of being the Trumpian equivalent of a Soviet Five-Year plan -- the central planning staple of Communism that helped drive economic growth into the ground. As I said before, I'd have been stunned if Bernie Sanders himself had dared propose such a statist solution to a non-problem. Yet somehow, Trump managed to outflank Bernie from the left with this one.
Biden himself wouldn't have proposed something this stupid.
:laugh:. "Conservatives" are now even failing at hyperbole.
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We have example after example in history, that this has failed every time it’s been tried.
There are still people who think that Socialism/Marxism is a noble pursuit, despite its history of consistent failure and oppression. When confronted, those that seek Socialism/Marxism have some variation of “the right people weren’t implementing it.”
We are seeing the same mindset here. This is not encouraging innovation or “thinking outside the box.” This is just another example of bringing failed 20th century ideas into the 21st-century
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You know what’s tragically funny. We all provided examples and history why this, and other forms of central planning, have fail spectacularly and instead of providing examples were it’s succeeded, our resident MAGA tells us how fearful we are and how we are discouraging innovation and how “we have boxes to help navigate a messy world”
Mind boggling. Absolutely mind boggling. I can’t relate to that much disconnect
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You know what’s tragically funny. We all provided examples and history why this, and other forms of central planning, have fail spectacularly and instead of providing examples were it’s succeeded, our resident MAGA tells us how fearful we are and how we are discouraging innovation and how “we have boxes to help navigate a messy world”
Mind boggling. Absolutely mind boggling. I can’t relate to that much disconnect
The thing is that the entire subject has no business in the Republican Party period. I could see Democrats perhaps debating it because they believe in centralized economic planning and the wisdom of "experts" rather than the market making important investment decision. Maybe they'd try to make their perfect "green and sustainable" cities. It would still be out there even for them, but they're the party that is supposed to be constantly pushing things to the left. Even if the GOP isn't consistently "small government" any more, it still believes in less government and less economic planning when compared to Democrats.
So when this idea is defended on the grounds that we should "look outside the box", it really is asking us to leave the "box" of believing in a market economy, to jump into the box of very large scale central planning. That may be where Trump wants to take the GOP, but there's no way in hell I'd want anything to do with that.
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The thing is that the entire subject has no business in the Republican Party period. I could see Democrats perhaps debating it because they believe in centralized economic planning and the wisdom of "experts" rather than the market making important investment decision. Maybe they'd try to make their perfect "green and sustainable" cities. It would still be out there even for them, but they're the party that is supposed to be constantly pushing things to the left. Even if the GOP isn't consistently "small government" any more, it still believes in less government and less economic planning when compared to Democrats.
So when this idea is defended on the grounds that we should "look outside the box", it really is asking us to leave the "box" of believing in a market economy, to jump into the box of very large scale central planning. That may be where Trump wants to take the GOP, but there's no way in hell I'd want anything to do with that.
What I find also fascinating, is my contingent on FBN (including Kudlow and Payne) , and conservative punditry in general has been quiet on calling out Trump on this particular campaign promise. It's almost like they are afraid of him.
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What I find also fascinating, is my contingent on FBN (including Kudlow and Payne) , and conservative punditry in general has been quiet on calling out Trump on this particular campaign promise. It's almost like they are afraid of him.
My guess is that they'd say something like:
"Look, this is kind of a kooky idea, and I don't know what he was thinking about when he said it. It was just Trump being Trump and saying something he probably shouldn't. But it's not going to happen anyway, so I'm not wasting time on it."
Which completely ducks the issue, but that's my guess.
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I personally don't care either way as long as tax dollars aren't being used to pay for it. If Elon Musk (for example) wants to try to finance some Trumpian Metropolis, it's no skin off my butt.
It's no business of government, though.
Agreed.
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Would you buy a used "Camelot" from this man?
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The thing is that the entire subject has no business in the Republican Party period. I could see Democrats perhaps debating it because they believe in centralized economic planning and the wisdom of "experts" rather than the market making important investment decision. Maybe they'd try to make their perfect "green and sustainable" cities. It would still be out there even for them, but they're the party that is supposed to be constantly pushing things to the left. Even if the GOP isn't consistently "small government" any more, it still believes in less government and less economic planning when compared to Democrats.
So when this idea is defended on the grounds that we should "look outside the box", it really is asking us to leave the "box" of believing in a market economy, to jump into the box of very large scale central planning. That may be where Trump wants to take the GOP, but there's no way in hell I'd want anything to do with that.
This laughingstock of an idea isn’t being debated in the abstract. We have, over and over and over and over and over given example after example of this failing. Yet MAGAs believe, in their heart, despite all evidence to the contrary, this will all be just so good.
The JFK Space Race comparison is faulty. By the time JFK pushed the idea of sending a man to the moon, the USSR already launched a satellite and put a man in space.
Top it off with the flying cars and the bonuses for all the new babies in this glorious MAGA city is proof that his mind no longer occupies the reality realm
This is no different than the left pushing green energy as the answer to replace fossil fuels despite the glaring evidence of its failures
It’s hard enough to fight the far left to keep them from bankrupting the country with their cockamamie plans. We don’t need the MAGAs joining them
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This laughingstock of an idea isn’t being debated in the abstract. We have, over and over and over and over and over given example after example of this failing. Yet MAGAs believe, in their heart, despite all evidence to the contrary, this will all be just so good.
The JFK Space Race comparison is faulty. By the time JFK pushed the idea of sending a man to the moon, the USSR already launched a satellite and put a man in space.
Top it off with the flying cars and the bonuses for all the new babies in this glorious MAGA city is proof that his mind no longer occupies the reality realm
This is no different than the left pushing green energy as the answer to replace fossil fuels despite the glaring evidence of its failures
It’s hard enough to fight the far left to keep them from bankrupting the country with their cockamamie plans. We don’t need the MAGAs joining them
Can't disagree with any of that. It is such a freaking strange idea coming from a candidate for national office -- much less a Republicans -- that people just kind of glaze over it with perhaps a "he can't be serious" dismissal.
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Can't disagree with any of that. It is such a freaking strange idea coming from a candidate for national office -- much less a Republicans -- that people just kind of glaze over it with perhaps a "he can't be serious" dismissal.
Instead of mocking people who made the effort to find examples were this has failed, it would be more productive if the MAGAs would provide examples were this type of centralization was successful
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:laugh:. "Conservatives" are now even failing at hyperbole.
Why yes, yes you are :thud:
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For me...futuristic cities have natural gas appliance stores in every zip code and gas/diesel stations every block.
... and "open carry" ... and old fashioned baseball without the clock! happy77
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Trump Again Defines National Priorities
American Greatness, Mar 28, 2023
The former president has again defined the territory over which an upcoming national election will be fought. And in so doing, he’s done the nation a great service.
Political observers and partisan activists debate whether Donald Trump or some other Republican candidate has the best chance of beating a Democratic rival in the 2024 presidential election. But earlier this month, Trump demonstrated that just as he did in 2016, he is raising campaign issues central to America’s future, issues that no other candidate is talking about. The latest flare-ups of what have been nearly eight years of relentless, orchestrated prosecution of Trump are a massive distraction but don’t change this reality.
Candidate Trump in 2016 raised issues Michael Anton adroitly summarized in “The Flight 93 Election” as “open borders, lower wages, outsourcing, de-industrialization, trade giveaways, and endless, pointless, winless war.” Making these neglected issues the themes of his campaign, Trump beat the odds and won the election. These are now among the most public and polarizing issues in America. They may be unresolved, but they are now central instead of peripheral.
This time, Trump’s 2024 campaign website includes under his agenda a list of the issues that have defined him since his political debut. They include deregulation, opportunity zones, fair trade, reshoring of industry, energy dominance, secure borders, reclaiming national sovereignty, war on drug cartels, law and order, military readiness, parents’ rights, ending censorship, election integrity, and more. Anyone questioning the coherence of Trump’s policy agenda is invited to read this list, which is long on specifics. But in a video released on his campaign website on March 4, Trump looked into the future.
The Future According to Trump
Trump challenges Americans to once again “pursue big dreams and daring projects.” He points to previous national accomplishments, such as the settlement of the frontier, the interstate highway system, and the deployment of communications satellites. In what he characterized as America’s next “quantum leap” in progress, Trump calls for a national contest for urban developers to submit designs for new “Freedom Cities,” with 10 winning designs to be allocated federal land for their construction.
Trump then enumerates several related goals, including calling for American industry to win the race to commercialize airborne mobility, revitalization of economically depressed regions by investing in the manufacturing assets we’re going to need as we disconnect from China, and initiatives to lower the cost of a car and lower the cost of a single-family home. Trump also wants “baby bonuses” to encourage a new baby boom in America. Finally, Trump says he would challenge the state governors to make cities and towns more livable and build monuments to American heroes.
At the conclusion of Trump’s four-minute video, he vows to “dramatically increase living standards and build a future that brings our country together through excitement, opportunity, and success.”
Trump is on to something. Every one of his goals is a driver of productivity and innovation, starting with new cities. Why shouldn’t the federal government allow for the privatization of a mere 0.5 percent of federal land in the United States? That would be roughly 5,000 square miles which, if split evenly and allocated as squares, would be 10 new cities, each 22 miles on a side.
What’s intriguing about this proposal is that at its core it is a libertarian notion—turning public land back over to the private sector. Digging deeper, it invites Americans to create 10 futuristic scenarios for urban development on a blank slate. The mix of public and private funding could be left up to the individual participating states. How these cities planned to manage their transportation, energy, food, water, and waste management challenges could differ greatly, and how successful each of them would be could then become an instructive model for urban revitalization all over America.
Red states might strike a balance between innovation and sticking with more cost-effective conventional building codes and enabling infrastructure, whereas in blue states, one might expect new cities that aspire to become models of sustainability, hopefully in sufficiently practical applications. Plenty of innovations are at our disposal today, including using laminated timber for construction of high-rise and mid-rise structures, innovative ways to reuse water and harvest nutrients from wastewater, indoor agriculture, and radical expansion of transportation conduits, both underground and in the air.
It Might Be “The Jetsons”
Even some of Trump’s media detractors acknowledged that decentralized air mobility is just around the corner. Within a decade or less, we will begin seeing small passenger drones ferrying people from point to point within and between cities. The surprising simplicity of the technology, leveraging what we’re learning from unmanned drones and self-driving cars, may eventually bring the prices down within reach of the average consumer.
And Trump is absolutely right when he urges Americans to pioneer this technology, which will yield valuable technological spin-offs, relieve traffic congestion on the ground, and open up otherwise inaccessible real estate.
Several years ago, discussing his groundbreaking (pun intended) tunneling company, Elon Musk said, “the construction industry is one of the only sectors in our economy that has not improved its productivity in the last 50 years.” While Musk might have overstated his case, new developments in materials science, robotics, electronics, communications, and systems integration promise to revolutionize the construction industry. And again, to paraphrase Trump, that revolution is going to happen in America, or it is going to happen somewhere else.
The fact that we are developing the capacity to use new materials and technologies to build and manufacture at far lower costs brings credibility to Trump’s challenge to reduce the cost of cars, single-family homes, and the cost of living generally. Trump’s commitment to deregulation—clearly demonstrated in his first term—perhaps along with new and bipartisan antitrust legislation, could be the key to a new era of competition as major manufacturers and developers adopt new technologies to create 21st-century versions of the Model T concept: cars and homes that families with a single wage earner can nonetheless afford. This is a goal worthy of a great nation.
More:
https://amgreatness.com/2023/03/28/trump-again-defines-national-priorities/
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Trump’s 2024 campaign website includes under his agenda a list of the issues that have defined him since his political debut. They include deregulation, opportunity zones, fair trade, reshoring of industry, energy dominance, secure borders, reclaiming national sovereignty, war on drug cartels, law and order, military readiness, parents’ rights, ending censorship, election integrity, and more. Anyone questioning the coherence of Trump’s policy agenda is invited to read this list
More information/videos on this can be found here:
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,490403.0.html
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Katie bar the door.
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But in a video released on his campaign website on March 4, Trump looked into the future.
"Quantum Leap in the American Standard of Living" (Video)
https://mobile.twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1631774056545411072
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FTA:
A population crash in the United States is no joke. Our current replacement rate of 1.6 births per woman means that for every 1 million Americans today, there will only be 440,000 great-grandchildren. Put another way, if the time span of one generation averages 25 years, based on current birth rates, two-thirds of America’s total population will be wiped out within the next century.
There are only two ways to stop this: mass replacement of the population through immigration or increased native birth rates.
For Trump to launch a serious national dialogue about what it is going to take to increase birth rates in America is perhaps the most futurist oriented, and the most consequential, of all the new issues he’s raising. Trump is proposing “baby bonuses” in the form of financial incentives for couples to have more children.
But Trump’s other new priorities also should make it easier for young Americans to choose to have more children: creating room for growth in new cities, creating new job opportunities by reshoring manufacturing jobs, stimulating new technologies and boosting productivity with air mobility, and by making homes and cars affordable.
https://amgreatness.com/2023/03/28/trump-again-defines-national-priorities/
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Trump’s final priority, echoing themes he’s explored before, adds an intangible incentive for people to form families. As he put it, we will “bring our country together through excitement, opportunity, and success.”
There is a shared excitement created by beautifying America’s urban spaces, by making cities and towns more livable, and by building monuments to American heroes. It makes people feel like they’re part of something big and worthwhile. It is a unifying force with a natural attractive power completely missing from the leftist obsession to make “inclusion” a mandate.
Vivek Ramaswamy, who has announced his intention to compete with Trump for the GOP presidential nomination, seems pretty solid on many issues. He has repeatedly stated that one of the biggest challenges facing Americans today is to define “what does it mean to be an American?”
Trump, with the new issues he’s bringing before the American people, is answering that question. To be optimistic, successful, and excited by what promises to be a dazzling future.
https://amgreatness.com/2023/03/28/trump-again-defines-national-priorities/
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That entire statement is utterly absurd.
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Cool... Great read....... except who is paying for this? Do you got $10-15T on ya?
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That entire statement is utterly absurd.
Which statement (the quote box is blank)?
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Cool... Great read....... except who is paying for this? Do you got $10-15T on ya?
You’re not gonna get an answer
Remember when we paid women to have babies? We called it The Great Society. It encouraged mothers to push fathers out of the picture. It was one of those good intentioned ideas that had huge unintended consequences.
Although MAGAs will never admit this, if Joe Biden was pushing all of this, they, along with us, would be further questioning his faculties. Really this is all utter nonsense.
It’s one thing to talk about replacement rates and he’s not wrong. But his idea is.
And we’re gonna have to face the reality that we don’t have the funds for all of these great ideas
The rising cost of living is the underlying problem. Handing out bonuses for having babies is not the answer. As long as we continue to spend and print, that will further devalue the dollar and make the standard of living lower for everybody.
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Which statement (the quote box is blank)?
ref: https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,495041.msg2804526.html#msg2804526
Not your words - What you quoted.
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You’re not gonna get an answer
Remember when we paid women to have babies? We called it The Great Society. It encouraged mothers to push fathers out of the picture. It was one of those good intentioned ideas that had huge unintended consequences.
Although MAGAs will never admit this, if Joe Biden was pushing all of this, they, along with us, would be further questioning his faculties. Really this is all utter nonsense.
It’s one thing to talk about replacement rates and he’s not wrong. But his idea is.
And we’re gonna have to face the reality that we don’t have the funds for all of these great ideas
The rising cost of living is the underlying problem. Handing out bonuses for having babies is not the answer. As long as we continue to spend and print, that will further devalue the dollar and make the standard of living lower for everybody.
Poor big government Republicans... Great intentions that will suffer from unintended consequences...
Just like democrats. **nononono* *****rollingeyes*****
This will fix nothing. And cost trillions upon trillions.
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Lenin must be so proud of Trump's first
Five Four Year Plan.
What we need is less government, not more. I don't really expect any philosophical coherence from Trump, but it's kind of amusing to what other allegedly conservative "thinkers" out there so eagerly toss away their opposition to bigger government.
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What we need is less government, not more. I don't really expect any philosophical coherence from Trump, but it's kind of amusing to what other allegedly conservative "thinkers" out there so eagerly toss away their opposition to bigger government.
Well, how about we try this again? :whistle:
DeSantis signs $711 million Florida affordable housing plan into law
Yahoo, Mar 29, 2023, Naples Daily News
Gov. Ron DeSantis on Wednesday signed into law a $711 million plan to make housing more affordable for working Floridians. A priority of Senate President Kathleen Passidomo, the “Live Local Act,” will more than double funding for housing and rental programs, provide incentives for investment in affordable housing and encourage mixed-use developments in struggling commercial areas.
“As demand is high to move to a place like Florida, it makes it more challenging for folks to be able to afford,” DeSantis said during a bill-signing event in Naples. “I think this is the biggest effort that's ever been done in the history of Florida.”
But the new law (SB 102) has drawn criticism from some groups because it will bar local rent controls and pre-empt local government rules on zoning, density and building heights in certain circumstances.
Passidomo, R-Naples, said the goal is to make it possible for people to afford to live in neighborhoods where they work.
“Florida has attracted so many new people to move here. And that has just exacerbated the problem,” Passidomo said. “And we don't have one solution to the problem. But the Live Local Act is an amazing, multifaceted, 106-page bill of ideas and suggestions on how we can provide affordable, safe housing for our workers.”
Among other things, the bill will create tax exemptions for developments that set aside at least 70 units for affordable housing and will speed permits and development orders for affordable-housing projects. The bill will provide money for a series of programs, including $252 million for the longstanding State Housing Initiatives Partnership, or SHIP, program; $150 million a year to the State Apartment Incentive Loan, or SAIL, program; and an additional $100 million for the Hometown Heroes program, which is designed to help teachers, health care workers and police officers buy homes.
https://news.yahoo.com/desantis-signs-affordable-housing-plan-162100136.html