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Turncoat Mike Pence Melts Down at Dinner – Says President Trump “Endangered My Family” and “History Will Hold Donald Trump Accountable” For J6
by Cullen Linebarger Mar. 12, 2023 10:50 am
Mike Pence’s Trump Derangement Syndrome has now reached advanced stages as he continues to consider a bid for President.
Pence condemned President Donald Trump for the events surrounding J6 during Saturday night’s Gridiron Dinner, an annual event attended by politicians and journalists. He also claimed Trump put his family in danger.
The news was first reported by the Associated Press.
The former vice-president called Trump’s actions “wrong” and vowed that history will hold Trump responsible for what happened.
President Trump was wrong.
I had no right to overturn the election. And his reckless words endangered my family and everyone at the Capitol that day, and I know history will hold Donald Trump accountable.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/turncoat-mike-pence-melts-down-at-dinner-says-president-trump-endangered-my-family-and-history-will-hold-donald-trump-accountable-for-j6/
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I like Trump. Voted for him. But damn! That guy had a talent for choosing UniParty Liberals every time. Once in a while is a coincidence. But with Trump, every single personnel choice he made was spectacularly WRONG. He hired all the people we wanted fired. And refused to terminate people (Fauci/Milley e.g.) on his staff who were obviously working with China, Democrats, and the Press, to sabotage him. Amazing. (shaking my head in confusion)
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Julie Kelly 🇺🇸
@julie_kelly2
Pence waited until the joint session of Congress convened at 1pm to release his letter informing Trump (and the public) he didn’t have authority to halt count. He teased for days before that he might even though his aides now say he knew by Jan 4 he wouldn’t do anything.
My recollection, too. In the days leading up to Jan. 6, Pence certainly got the Trump supporters' hopes up that he'd do something about the count.
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I like Trump. Voted for him. But damn! That guy had a talent for choosing UniParty Liberals every time. Once in a while is a coincidence. But with Trump, every single personnel choice he made was spectacularly WRONG. He hired all the people we wanted fired. And refused to terminate people (Fauci/Milley e.g.) on his staff who were obviously working with China, Democrats, and the Press, to sabotage him. Amazing. (shaking my head in confusion)
@240B
I think that was due more to him being the ONLY "virgin politician" running,and starting out with zero political backing. He was happy to take whatever support he could get,and naive about politicians.
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@240B
I think that was due more to him being the ONLY "virgin politician" running,and starting out with zero political backing. He was happy to take whatever support he could get,and naive about politicians.
:mauslaff:
A guy who made tons of money navigating NY and NJ politics to get large projects built?
Please.
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:mauslaff:
A guy who made tons of money navigating NY and NJ politics to get large projects built?
Please.
@Kamaji
"Navigating" them as an outsider.
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Lets not forget the message Pence is projecting here. Running with the Soro's vicious pack of dogs, who have already been known to be a openly owned democrat party and function on G Soros leash. A one party pack that has already shown they have no loyalties to America or morality lower than a ho house on a busy Saturday night.
How brazen Pence is when he has the full backing and support by the Soros-Democrat pac, often supporting our enemies even in times of war against this nation and its people. Too many people have the Clintons amnesia affliction the sees things in their reverse. Popular traitors, real patriots greatly despised. Its easy to see who is their leader...... :smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :reaper:
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@Kamaji
"Navigating" them as an outsider.
:mauslaff:
Trump wasn't an outsider.
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Thankfully the Biden locksteppers saved us from Trump, just in the nick of time. Except their pizzing and moaning of getting their way has become like a tidal wave of bitching and , moaning that never ends!
Who bitches and moans more than a WOKE lock-stepping democrat that gets his way? Worse than a baby that gets his titty taken away!
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Mike Pence is not a turncoat. He never had a coat to turn. He is just a middle management quisling milquetoast until Trump elevated him into the national spotlight. Why Trump picked this loser nothing, nobody can ever explain that?
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@christian If you weren't such a Trumper you'd probably understand us Conservatives, mo better.
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Mike Pence is not a turncoat. He never had a coat to turn. He is just a middle management quisling milquetoast until Trump elevated him into the national spotlight. Why Trump picked this loser nothing, nobody can ever explain that?
The great businessman, The ultimate wheeler dealer, Trump made deals with the RNC that gave us both Pence, Reibus and many other assorted trash from their closets. It was interesting the point another Briefer brought up, that he was stuck in RealityTV mode and only hired people so he could say "You're Fired" to them later, but Season 2 was canceled.
His Producer, Ivanka, was a pu$$y.
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Mike Pence is not a turncoat. He never had a coat to turn. He is just a middle management quisling milquetoast until Trump elevated him into the national spotlight. Why Trump picked this loser nothing, nobody can ever explain that?
Because, as a milquetoast middle manager, he presented no discernible threat to Trump.
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Why Pence, because he knew his position was to shut up and nod to whatever Trump said (and he did until he no longer had to).... He was pretty much squeaky clean (no embarrassment) and had a Christian background to add window dressing to Trump (that Trump lacked beyond waving a Bible at rallies next to Trump's book).
The term "milquetoast" has been thrown around, and it fits. Pence basically melted into the wallpaper under Trump and that suited Trump fine. Pence adapted to survive Trump when few others could of.... I don't know if that is an attribute I admire, but it has served him in public office fairly well (except when he dared mention not going to meetings with women alone for avoiding being put in a bad light/honoring his wife).
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I agree with the first part of your post @Sighlass but I feel Pence will never hold a political office, again. Trumpers have Long Memories.
(https://www.bing.com/images/blob?bcid=rEqpjXYrW1sFOg)
*Even AOC is dismayed.
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Mike Pence- Just more proof Donald Trump only hired the best. /s :silly:
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:mauslaff:
Trump wasn't an outsider.
@Kamaji
Really?
Please list the public offices he was elected to hold.
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I just can't vote for someone that don't like Dogs or maybe it's because Dogs don't like him. :smokin: Other than that whiny Pomeranian that Ivana had a couple of decades ago.
I found an exception to my own rule.
(https://i.redd.it/qi6911dz65a41.jpg)
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I like Trump. Voted for him. But damn! That guy had a talent for choosing UniParty Liberals every time. Once in a while is a coincidence. But with Trump, every single personnel choice he made was spectacularly WRONG. He hired all the people we wanted fired. And refused to terminate people (Fauci/Milley e.g.) on his staff who were obviously working with China, Democrats, and the Press, to sabotage him. Amazing. (shaking my head in confusion)
I agree. I do think he has learned from his mistakes, though.
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I agree. I do think he has learned from his mistakes, though.
How so?
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I had this very same conversation with my 90yo Mother this afternoon. She still thinks Men can change after 70~80 years, for the better, less obnoxious.
I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt but I remembered this is a Woman that Married and Divorced my Father, TWICE.
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I agree. I do think he has learned from his mistakes, though.
@massadvj
"When I went there I didn’t know a lot of people…. but I know them all now” (Video)
https://mobile.twitter.com/_johnnymaga/status/1635439287553388552
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Trump signifies that his administration will be much stronger in 2024, as in 2016 he was a total outsider who had to rely on some members of the establishment
“When I went there I didn’t know a lot of people…. but I know them all now”
If he knows them all now, then why did he just endorse GOP Establishment darling Ronna McDaniel over a grass roots challenger?
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I'm beginning to see a pattern here. Most of his Political adversaries at this point, he has endorsed at some time. Maybe they know something Trumpers don't.
"Your doing a hell of job there, Jared"
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In 70 years of living, i have never seen a President publicly lynched like Trump has been, in or out of office. False witnesses brought against him, foreigners, even whores false testimonies, Congressmen, even active policemen/law enforcement taking part in treason against a sitting President. Even of recent times the vicious pack of dogs dogging Trump to ensure the very worst slime balls of the democrats can get or remain in office, who are far worse. Let the shameless hos of the WOKE rail, due recompense comes ever closer. So judgmental for attacking others, hypocrites extraordinaire, they expect and demand sympathy, they have no real claim to ask for or demand for or of themselves.
Your master is coming for you, you will not deny.
:smokin: :smokin: :smokin:
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Which Master is that?
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If he knows them all now, then why did he just endorse GOP Establishment darling Ronna McDaniel over a grass roots challenger?
Trump had the four years during his Presidency to get to know people, yet his appointments didn't really improve over time. He is still constantly adding new names onto his list of RINO's, globalists, and traitors, which means he really hasn't figured it out. People he thinks are trustworthy right now could well end up on his list next week.
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My understanding of Pence's pre-January 6th position on certification was that he would be willing to do something if a state court or state legislature decertified or otherwise attempted to change its slate of electors.
But that didn't happen. As of January 6, not a single state legislature had changed its slate of electors, and Trump hadn't won a single case. So, on January 6, Pence stated his belief he had no legal justification to stop certification, and I believe he was correct.
I think a lot of folks got caught up in the hype of "the Kraken", and a bunch of the claims being made by Giuliani and others that just didn't pan out legally. There's a big difference between "I believe the election was stolen", and "I can prove in a court of law that it was stolen". There's also a big difference between "I can prove there was fraud", and "I can prove that there was fraud sufficient to overturn the election." Accusations and assumptions that may seem logical or reasonable aren't going to get you over the evidentiary hump.
I don't think it is either fair or reasonable to have expected Pence to derail the January 6 vote based just on his own belief -- unsupported by court decisions or the actions of state legislatures -- that the election was fraudulent or stolen. And expecting the VP to have a sufficient level of personal knowledge regarding the detailed facts at issue in each of those cases also is unreasonable. He had to rely on the states, and they did not come through.
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How so?
I think one of his primary motivations for running is to get even with the deep staters who he feels betrayed him. I think he knows Sessions was a mistake, Barr was a mistake, Fauci was a mistake, Wray was a mistake. and on and on. He also made some good appointments. His press secretaries were very good. Ben Carson, Rick Perry, Mnuchin, Pompeo and Pence all did well (even though some have a nasty taste in their mouths from the experience).
I don't believe Trump would be a bad president. I don't think he was bad the first time. He has great instincts, but he trusted some people he should not have, and there were wolves throughout the justice and intelligence community out to get him. I am pretty sure he knows that now and has ideas in his mind as to how he would do things differently the next time.
That said, I will not be voting for him in the primary. But we could do a lot worse.
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My understanding of Pence's pre-January 6th position on certification was that he would be willing to do something if a state court or state legislature decertified or otherwise attempted to change its slate of electors.
But that didn't happen. As of January 6, not a single state legislature had changed its slate of electors, and Trump hadn't won a single case. So, on January 6, Pence stated his belief he had no legal justification to stop certification, and I believe he was correct.
I think a lot of folks got caught up in the hype of "the Kraken", and a bunch of the claims being made by Giuliani and others that just didn't pan out legally. There's a big difference between "I believe the election was stolen", and "I can prove in a court of law that it was stolen". There's also a big difference between "I can prove there was fraud", and "I can prove that there was fraud sufficient to overturn the election." Accusations and assumptions that may seem logical or reasonable aren't going to get you over the evidentiary hump.
I don't think it is either fair or reasonable to have expected Pence to derail the January 6 vote based just on his own belief -- unsupported by court decisions or the actions of state legislatures -- that the election was fraudulent or stolen. And expecting the VP to have a sufficient level of personal knowledge regarding the detailed facts at issue in each of those cases also is unreasonable. He had to rely on the states, and they did not come through.
goopo
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@massadvj
"When I went there I didn’t know a lot of people…. but I know them all now” (Video)
https://mobile.twitter.com/_johnnymaga/status/1635439287553388552
I don't disagree. And this is Trump's biggest selling point.
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I think one of his primary motivations for running is to get even with the deep staters who he feels betrayed him. I think he knows Sessions was a mistake, Barr was a mistake, Fauci was a mistake, Wray was a mistake. and on and on. He also made some good appointments. His press secretaries were very good. Ben Carson, Rick Perry, Mnuchin, Pompeo and Pence all did well (even though some have a nasty taste in their mouths from the experience).
I don't believe Trump would be a bad president. I don't think he was bad the first time. He has great instincts, but he trusted some people he should not have, and there were wolves throughout the justice and intelligence community out to get him. I am pretty sure he knows that now and has ideas in his mind as to how he would do things differently the next time.
That said, I will not be voting for him in the primary. But we could do a lot worse.
Getting even is not a good basis for leadership. It simply means that, if elected, Trump will just make the same sort of bone-headed mistakes he made the first time, just in the opposite direction. His paranoia will feed itself to the point where Nixon will appear to have been the epitome of unverified trust.
And that simplistic motivation will simply be arbitraged by those who want to use him to get something for themselves, sort of like the last time around.
Finally, I find the "I didn't know them" excuse to be a rather sad, pathetic excuse for failure. Trump has been around politicians and politics for decades, and as a major real estate developer in New York and the Northeast generally, he would certainly have known exactly what motivated most politicians, and that one should always look behind the curtains to find their true motivation.
"I didn't know" coming from Trump rings very hollow.
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"I didn't know" coming from Trump rings very hollow.
My question to him would be "so when did you find out?"
Because he didn't show any improvement in judging people during his four years in office, when he was closest to all those people. And if he was somehow magically able to acquire that knowledge after leaving office, why couldn't he have acquired it before?
It sounds to me like Trump is aware of the criticism regarding his subordinates/appointees, and is tossing out some words to deflect that criticism. But I don't see any actual evidence that it is true, and in fact just see evidence to the contrary.
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Getting even is not a good basis for leadership. It simply means that, if elected, Trump will just make the same sort of bone-headed mistakes he made the first time, just in the opposite direction. His paranoia will feed itself to the point where Nixon will appear to have been the epitome of unverified trust.
And that simplistic motivation will simply be arbitraged by those who want to use him to get something for themselves, sort of like the last time around.
Finally, I find the "I didn't know them" excuse to be a rather sad, pathetic excuse for failure. Trump has been around politicians and politics for decades, and as a major real estate developer in New York and the Northeast generally, he would certainly have known exactly what motivated most politicians, and that one should always look behind the curtains to find their true motivation.
"I didn't know" coming from Trump rings very hollow.
I don't really care what motivates the leader, so long as he is strongly motivated to disrupt the power of the federal government. Trump is flawed in many ways, but he is far preferable to any Democrat alternative I can think of. As I said in a different post, I will not be voting for Trump in the primary. But that doesn't mean I am going to get all tribal on him and his supporters.
Trump is not going to be defeated with his own tactics.
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Getting even is not a good basis for leadership. It simply means that, if elected, Trump will just make the same sort of bone-headed mistakes he made the first time, just in the opposite direction. His paranoia will feed itself to the point where Nixon will appear to have been the epitome of unverified trust.
And that simplistic motivation will simply be arbitraged by those who want to use him to get something for themselves, sort of like the last time around.
Finally, I find the "I didn't know them" excuse to be a rather sad, pathetic excuse for failure. Trump has been around politicians and politics for decades, and as a major real estate developer in New York and the Northeast generally, he would certainly have known exactly what motivated most politicians, and that one should always look behind the curtains to find their true motivation.
"I didn't know" coming from Trump rings very hollow.
@Kamaji
You forgot to mention he is also Orange,and rude to the establishment politicans.
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@Kamaji
You forgot to mention he is also Orange,and rude to the establishment politicans.
:mauslaff:
Why would I care two figs about stupidity like that? I care about policies, about being able to lead, and on both counts Trump is rather deficient.
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@Kamaji
You forgot to mention he is also Orange,and rude to the establishment politicans.
Rude and orange.... There's those words again....
You know there are more words in the English Language when engaging in political arguments to further your POV don't you?
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We watched in real time the election being stolen, do they believe we have the clintons amnesia! Trying to re-write history now is like trying to polish a turd until it turns to gold. The wicked have attempted far worse and failed, as well they should now.
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Rude and orange.... There's those words again....
You know there are more words in the English Language when engaging in political arguments to further your POV don't you?
@catfish1957
I am not the one that cares about him being rude,rich,and orange,bubba.
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@catfish1957
I am not the one that cares about him being rude,rich,and orange,bubba.
You're about the only person here who cares about Trump's rudeness, richness, and orangeness, and one of the few who thinks that those attributes, standing alone, make for a preeminent politician.
The rest of us are more interested in policies and demonstrated (in)ability to lead.
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We watched in real time the election being stolen, do they believe we have the clintons amnesia! Trying to re-write history now is like trying to polish a turd until it turns to gold. The wicked have attempted far worse and failed, as well they should now.
@christian
I am not so sure they failed. The results of the next presidential and congressional election will tell that tale,although it will be ignorned by many people who hate to see bad news and have to admit they were wrong.
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Usually, 3 Strikes and you're OUT.
Republicans lost in 18, 20 and 22.
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Usually, 3 Strikes and you're OUT.
Republicans lost in 18, 20 and 22.
@corbe
And they are going to lose again if they continue to try to destroy Trump so they can put a "business as usual" alleged Republican in the WH.
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You're about the only person here who cares about Trump's rudeness, richness, and orangeness, and one of the few who thinks that those attributes, standing alone, make for a preeminent politician.
The rest of us are more interested in policies and demonstrated (in)ability to lead.
Excellent post
And true
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My question to him would be "so when did you find out?"
Because he didn't show any improvement in judging people during his four years in office, when he was closest to all those people. And if he was somehow magically able to acquire that knowledge after leaving office, why couldn't he have acquired it before?
It sounds to me like Trump is aware of the criticism regarding his subordinates/appointees, and is tossing out some words to deflect that criticism. But I don't see any actual evidence that it is true, and in fact just see evidence to the contrary.
Agree, he picked a lady (in Alabama) that worked to get Roy Moore thrown under the bus, she worked for Shelby that turned full Rino his last years in office... Trump also worked against Mo Brooks and arguable he was one of the most conservative candidates we had in office. Judging just via my state, Trump is the swamp.
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You're about the only person here who cares about Trump's rudeness, richness, and orangeness, and one of the few who thinks that those attributes, standing alone, make for a preeminent politician.
The rest of us are more interested in policies and demonstrated (in)ability to lead.
BINGO.... just like threads that point out how ugly or pretty a first lady is, I freaking don't care.... I don't care if you are rich, poor, or ugly... I care about the heart you carry in office. I have always heard that taller men tend to garner more votes just via looks, but never could understand why... The argument that Trump will not take a salary to me was a non-issue, he could do as he pleased, but that didn't make him better than someone that perhaps needed that salary that wasn't "give a dang rich". If some of TBR folks ran for office, they perhaps would need to take a salary (I would), if not just to have a coffer to run for office again. Gimmicks like that ticked me off. Give me a conservative that can't be persuaded otherwise, with a history (fruits) that prove they have been right wing for more than 10 minutes.
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The argument that Trump will not take a salary to me was a non-issue, he could do as he pleased, but that didn't make him better than someone that perhaps needed that salary that wasn't "give a dang rich". If some of TBR folks ran for office, they perhaps would need to take a salary (I would), if not just to have a coffer to run for office again. Gimmicks like that ticked me off. Give me a conservative that can't be persuaded otherwise, with a history (fruits) that prove they have been right wing for more than 10 minutes.
Couldn't agree more. The idea that we should only be governed by billionaires because nobody else can be trusted is foolish, offensive, and wrong. People in life are motivated by all sorts of things, money being only one of the things that can corrupt them. So to can desires for power, prestige, acceptance, adulation, etc.. And even billionaires generally want more money, else they'd have stopped at a few hundred million or so.
I see no reason to have faith in billionaires than in anyone else.
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Pence is pizzed that after betraying Trump, Pences sheeps skin he was wearing slipped off momentarily and exposed him for who he really is. A determined modern day WOKE Judas.