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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on November 22, 2022, 08:05:14 pm
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November 22, 2022 2:51pm EST
Supreme Court orders Trump's tax returns to be turned over to House Democrats
Trump and his legal team had filed asking the Supreme Court to block the release of his tax records
By Brooke Singman , Bill Mears , Shannon Bream | Fox News
The Supreme Court on Tuesday ordered the handover of former President Trump’s tax returns to the House Ways and Means Committee.
Last month, Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts granted a stay, temporarily blocking the former president from having to turn over his tax records to Democrats on the House Ways and Means Committee.
Trump and his legal team had filed asking the Supreme Court to block the release of his tax records.
But on Tuesday, Roberts formally denied the request.
"The application for stay of the mandate presented to The Chief Justice and by him referred to the Court is denied," the order states. "The order heretofore entered by The Chief Justice is vacated."
The House Ways and Means Committee first requested six years of Trump's tax returns in 2019.
more
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-orders-trumps-tax-returns-turned-over-house-democrats
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So much for:
Fourth Amendment"
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Why can’t he just release the returns like every other candidate for President? Yes a rhetorical question, as I know he is crazy.
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I honestly don't get it.
WHAT entitles them to Trump's tax returns,and WHY would the SC order Trump to turn them over?
Technically,he is not even a political figure anymore,and even political figures have a right to privacy about business deals they completed before entering politics UNLESS it has been proven they committed criminal acts.
What the SC is allowing the Dims to do now is search for evidence of wrongdoing by a private citizen and his accountants that has nothing to do with politics.
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Why can’t he just release the returns like every other candidate for President? Yes a rhetorical question, as I know he is crazy.
@cato potatoe
He is a candidate for President now?
When did he announce he was running,and when did the Dims start demanding his financial records?
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Why can’t he just release the returns like every other candidate for President? Yes a rhetorical question, as I know he is crazy.
@cato potatoe
BTW,are you trying to claim that Biden released all his tax records?
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So much for:
Fourth Amendment"
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
It has nothing to do with the Fourth Amendment.
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I honestly don't get it.
WHAT entitles them to Trump's tax returns,and WHY would the SC order Trump to turn them over?
Technically,he is not even a political figure anymore,and even political figures have a right to privacy about business deals they completed before entering politics UNLESS it has been proven they committed criminal acts.
What the SC is allowing the Dims to do now is search for evidence of wrongdoing by a private citizen and his accountants that has nothing to do with politics.
IRC § 6103 generally governs the confidentiality and disclosure of tax returns and tax return information. IRC § 6103(f)(1) specifically provides that
Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.
So the Ways and Means Committee is entitled, upon request, to get anyone's tax returns, including former President Trump's returns.
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It has nothing to do with the Fourth Amendment.
Like hell it doesn't!
IRC § 6103 generally governs the confidentiality and disclosure of tax returns and tax return information. IRC § 6103(f)(1) specifically provides that
"Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure."
Which itself is a gross violation of the fourth amendment! Just like the entire Income tax scheme is.
"A hand from Washington will be stretched out and placed upon every man's business; the eye of the Federal inspector will be in every man's counting house. The law will, of necessity, have inquisitorial features, it will provide penalties. It will create complicated machinery. Under it, businessmen will be hauled into courts distant from their homes. Heavy fines imposed by distant and unfamiliar tribunals will constantly menace the taxpayer. An army of Federal inspectors, spies, and detectives will descend upon the state. They will compel men of business to show their books and disclose the secrets of their affairs. They will dictate forms of bookkeeping. They will require statements and affidavits..."
Richard E. Byrd, Speaker of the Virginia House of Delegates, March 3, 1910, speaking against the ratification of the 16th Amendment
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IRC § 6103 generally governs the confidentiality and disclosure of tax returns and tax return information. IRC § 6103(f)(1) specifically provides that
So the Ways and Means Committee is entitled, upon request, to get anyone's tax returns, including former President Trump's returns.
Well it is illegal to leak those documents but you can bet they will be - with zero consequences. It is simply organized crime these days - and they don't care that it is blatant in your face corruption. The ends justify the means. Whatever it takes. There is no shame anymore.
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Hopefully Trump can delay until the new Congress takes control...
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BTW,are you trying to claim that Biden released all his tax records?
Or Kamala, or Pelosi, or Schumer?
Democrats are more than willing to turn over 'some information' regarding taxes because they know beforehand that the IRS will never touch them. The IRS has become a wing of the DNC since Lois Lerner. The only attack Republicans, or anyone who does not bow before the Democrat Party.
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Like hell it doesn't!
Which itself is a gross violation of the fourth amendment! Just like the entire Income tax scheme is.
"A hand from Washington will be stretched out and placed upon every man's business; the eye of the Federal inspector will be in every man's counting house. The law will, of necessity, have inquisitorial features, it will provide penalties. It will create complicated machinery. Under it, businessmen will be hauled into courts distant from their homes. Heavy fines imposed by distant and unfamiliar tribunals will constantly menace the taxpayer. An army of Federal inspectors, spies, and detectives will descend upon the state. They will compel men of business to show their books and disclose the secrets of their affairs. They will dictate forms of bookkeeping. They will require statements and affidavits..."
Richard E. Byrd, Speaker of the Virginia House of Delegates, March 3, 1910, speaking against the ratification of the 16th Amendment
Neither is a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
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Well it is illegal to leak those documents but you can bet they will be - with zero consequences. It is simply organized crime these days - and they don't care that it is blatant in your face corruption. The ends justify the means. Whatever it takes. There is no shame anymore.
Probably.
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Neither is a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
So, you think it's OK for certain committees to have power to drag anyone's confidential information before those committees and go fishing. Interesting @Kamaji .
I vehemently disagree.
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On Jan 9, after five Democrats have been kicked off the House Ways & Means committee and replaced with five Republicans, the new Chairman Kevin Brady can subpoena Joe Biden for his tax records. And the US Supreme Court will have already set the precedent.
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On Jan 9, after five Democrats have been kicked off the House Ways & Means committee and replaced with five Republicans, the new Chairman Kevin Brady can subpoena Joe Biden for his tax records. And the US Supreme Court will have already set the precedent.
Kevin Brady has retired and won't be there to do anything.
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BTW,are you trying to claim that Biden released all his tax records?
He has released several years of returns. I won't vouch for their accuracy.
You have to admit it is odd that, of all the personal crap Donald shares with us, a 1040 isn't included in that pile. What could possibly be on there?
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He has released several years of returns. I won't vouch for their accuracy.
You have to admit it is odd that, of all the personal crap Donald shares with us, a 1040 isn't included in that pile. What could possibly be on there?
That he isn't a billionaire.
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He has released several years of returns. I won't vouch for their accuracy.
You have to admit it is odd that, of all the personal crap Donald shares with us, a 1040 isn't included in that pile. What could possibly be on there?
Does his returns include the 10% on all Hunter's deals I wonder..
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He has released several years of returns. I won't vouch for their accuracy.
You have to admit it is odd that, of all the personal crap Donald shares with us, a 1040 isn't included in that pile. What could possibly be on there?
@cato potatoe
I dunno,and seriously doubt he knows. Probably has dozens of different accounting firms handling his taxes.
Are the Dims and their RINO Butt-Buddies going to find irregularities? You bet your bippy they are!
It would be impossible for any tax bill that complex that is handled by so many different accounting officers to be in agreement on everything.
So,what IS found will be blown all out of proportion in order to give the left and their RINO pals spontaneous orgasms from just thinking about "Rude Orange Man getting it in the rear!"
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They have been after his tax returns for years. What do they expect to find? Even if he isn't as rich as he proclaims to be, so what?
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He has released several years of returns. I won't vouch for their accuracy.
You have to admit it is odd that, of all the personal crap Donald shares with us, a 1040 isn't included in that pile. What could possibly be on there?
A 1040 won't show much; capital gains, losses, income, tax payout
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Does his returns include the 10% on all Hunter's deals I wonder..
No.
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Kevin Brady has retired and won't be there to do anything.
Who's next in line?
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Who's next in line?
Would have been Devin Nunes but he's also leaving so most likely it will be Vern Buchanan of Florida.
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Supreme Court allows release of Trump's tax records to House Democrats
NBC News, Nov 22, 2022
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected former President Donald Trump's last-ditch plea to block the release of his tax records to House Democrats, paving the way for their possible disclosure to the lawmakers.
The decision by the court in a brief order noting no dissenting votes means the committee can try to access the documents ahead of the Republican take-over of the House in January. The committee, however, has not said how quickly it expects to get the documents. Upon taking control, Republicans are expected to withdraw the request.
Earlier this month, Chief Justice John Roberts temporarily blocked the Ways and Means panel from accessing Trump’s tax records while the court decided how to act on Trump’s request.
Trump, who, unlike other recent presidents, refused to make his tax returns public amid scrutiny of his business affairs, turned to the justices after an appeals court in Washington refused to intervene. The court has recently rejected similar requests from Trump.
The former president's lawyers contested the House Ways and Means Committee’s assertion that it needed the information to probe how the IRS conducts the auditing process for presidents, saying it did not stand up to scrutiny.
House Democrats, as well as the Biden administration, urged the court to reject Trump's request, saying their demand for the tax documents reflected a valid legislative purpose.
More: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-allows-release-trumps-tax-records-house-democrats-rcna56644
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The former president's lawyers contested the House Ways and Means Committee’s assertion that it needed the information to probe how the IRS conducts the auditing process for presidents, saying it did not stand up to scrutiny.
House Democrats, as well as the Biden administration, urged the court to reject Trump's request, saying their demand for the tax documents reflected a valid legislative purpose.
Ok then. We need to see how the IRS audits House Speakers, Senate Leaders, FBI Directors. AGs ........
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They have been after his tax returns for years. What do they expect to find? Even if he isn't as rich as he proclaims to be, so what?
As a point of order: Tax returns have nothing to do with how rich he is. When I was swinging at it, my personal net worth didn't look like much... Because the money was left up in my various corporations. And anything that was write-off was purchased through my companies - So I had every use of them, but they weren't 'technically' mine... Even though they were mine. It costs a TON in taxes to pull money down to the personal level and comparatively little to leave it up in the business.