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Title: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: sneakypete on July 22, 2022, 07:29:57 am
Guys,here are two of the laptops I am looking at. Not final choices by any means,but they both fit the general idea of what I think I want.

Right off the bat,I do NOT want any computer made in China at ANY price.

The 500 buck one is right at the very top of my budget,but I could spring for it if it was that much better than the other one.

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-A515-56-32DK-Display-i3-1115G4-Processor/dp/B09R5VYRVN/ref=sr_1_9?crid=177EGH04T30VM&keywords=laptop+computer&qid=1658473743&sprefix=laptop%2Caps%2C646&sr=8-9

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-A515-46-R3UB-Display-Quad-Core-Processor/dp/B09HVC79PC/ref=sr_1_36?crid=177EGH04T30VM&keywords=laptop%2Bcomputer&qid=1658474631&sprefix=laptop%2Caps%2C646&sr=8-36&th=1

Please feel free to check out this link and make suggestions about other laptops to buy. The one thing I do NOT want besides a Chinese computer,is one that doesn't have black keys. The one I have now has silver keys,and I hate the damn thing.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Texas Yellow Rose on July 22, 2022, 12:51:54 pm
https://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/Online/InventorySearch.aspx?brandId=2201&c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh&dgc=IR&cid=258996&lid=4635114&~ck=mn
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Elderberry on July 22, 2022, 01:46:45 pm
I haven't ran much on laptops.

I started out on a VT100
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/DEC_VT100_terminal.jpg)

Since then I've run on PCs. Usually a mid-tower case, separate monitor(currently a 24"), keyboard and mouse.

I do have a couple of Panasonic CF-29 Toughbooks that I take hunting to view game camera pics.
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/panasonic/images/c/c0/CF-29.jpg)

Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Kamaji on July 22, 2022, 01:51:37 pm
I haven't ran much on laptops.

I started out on a VT100
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/DEC_VT100_terminal.jpg)

Since then I've run on PCs. Usually a mid-tower case, separate monitor(currently a 24"), keyboard and mouse.

I do have a couple of Panasonic CF-29 Toughbooks that I take hunting to view game camera pics.
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/panasonic/images/c/c0/CF-29.jpg)




Ahh, the good old DEC days!
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Elderberry on July 22, 2022, 02:21:06 pm

Ahh, the good old DEC days!

Tweren't too good connecting over a 300 baud no handshaking modem. Even with my poor typing skills, waiting on that modem sucked.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on July 22, 2022, 02:23:25 pm
My advice is don't buy a new one @sneakypete for that $500 you can get a really good used corporate machine that will serve you well.

Here's just one example:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/133785229224?hash=item1f263897a8:g:Qw8AAOSwVBNin1Fu&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4FbSgepyF4LfGaPgXYr4rHU5k%2BskHtoHkQV%2FjYsGEvF36OcgZvPkGVRf5My2iK3%2BaOEJr7kW62WisszdrMiERval9DR7bLTPhE86T1sJgYIBMV%2Bqsncan83hCF04fnPMyPQSNQoIVN9390Aq%2Fc5%2FtQpwgH4JwB%2Ft8%2BQ05oV91eJu0RcIXN9aew92TdUqPWXxGlP4nxWUD1tUOS0e%2BbtpWufQ7WPXDMUXlntWQf1v8GiPP5aT5l2Yk3HNdGJfQv2UhN%2FWkKQdrsRQGmskE43GPHa3aQ14kE7fpFdcsVTAx%2Bbd%7Ctkp%3ABFBM4rz05MRg

FWIW, I've had really good luck with HP Probooks Two of them currently in use here.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Kamaji on July 22, 2022, 02:27:51 pm
Tweren't too good connecting over a 300 baud no handshaking modem. Even with my poor typing skills, waiting on that modem sucked.

In high school my best friend's father worked with the government, and had a DEC terminal at home with a 1200 baud modem.  My friend had access to a very limited guest account, so we would log on and play the text-based star trek game.  Unbeknownst to me, we were on ARPANET before it became the internet.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Elderberry on July 22, 2022, 03:04:52 pm
In high school my best friend's father worked with the government, and had a DEC terminal at home with a 1200 baud modem.  My friend had access to a very limited guest account, so we would log on and play the text-based star trek game.  Unbeknownst to me, we were on ARPANET before it became the internet.

I didn't get my VT100 until 1981 when was in college from another student. I used it to connect to the school for my 8080 assembly programming class. I also used it in the 1st class on 6502 SYM-1 Application Programming. After that I really didn't get online much until around 91, when I picked up a used 386, and got online using Archie and Gopher.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Kamaji on July 22, 2022, 03:10:21 pm
I didn't get my VT100 until 1981 when was in college from another student. I used it to connect to the school for my 8080 assembly programming class. I also used it in the 1st class on 6502 SYM-1 Application Programming. After that I really didn't get online much until around 91, when I picked up a used 386, and got online using Archie and Gopher.

My first intro to assembly was on my old Atari 800.  I got tired of writing "game" programs in BASIC, which was processed so slowly one could see the individual line rastering.  So I grabbed an assembly programming cartridge from a friend for the 800 and figured out how to write assembler code snippets to govern movement that could be stuck into a BASIC program (the Atari had a mechanism for reading machine code into memory when running a BASIC program).

After my foray into the internetworks on my friend's father's terminal, I didn't go back online again until sometime in the early 1990s, when VT in conjunction with the Town of Blacksburg started going all computers and networks.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: corbe on July 22, 2022, 03:12:20 pm
   Personally @sneakypete I wouldn't buy anything but a DELL Inspiron Laptop with an Intel I5 processor/8GB Ram.  I put many of my customers on one and they love it.  Here's one on EBAY with Win 10 from an Authorized Reseller for $300.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234571904775?hash=item369d933707:g:2akAAOSw0D1ipXx6 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/234571904775?hash=item369d933707:g:2akAAOSw0D1ipXx6)
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: roamer_1 on July 22, 2022, 04:22:58 pm
My advice is don't buy a new one @sneakypete for that $500 you can get a really good used corporate machine that will serve you well.

Here's just one example:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/133785229224?hash=item1f263897a8:g:Qw8AAOSwVBNin1Fu&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4FbSgepyF4LfGaPgXYr4rHU5k%2BskHtoHkQV%2FjYsGEvF36OcgZvPkGVRf5My2iK3%2BaOEJr7kW62WisszdrMiERval9DR7bLTPhE86T1sJgYIBMV%2Bqsncan83hCF04fnPMyPQSNQoIVN9390Aq%2Fc5%2FtQpwgH4JwB%2Ft8%2BQ05oV91eJu0RcIXN9aew92TdUqPWXxGlP4nxWUD1tUOS0e%2BbtpWufQ7WPXDMUXlntWQf1v8GiPP5aT5l2Yk3HNdGJfQv2UhN%2FWkKQdrsRQGmskE43GPHa3aQ14kE7fpFdcsVTAx%2Bbd%7Ctkp%3ABFBM4rz05MRg

FWIW, I've had really good luck with HP Probooks Two of them currently in use here.


Almost all of my computers (7 of 10) are business class HP. My last (and now secondary, the one I take with me on service calls) laptop was the last of a long run of HP Elitebooks. My main laptop right now is a Dell inspiron.... The only other non-HPs in the whole place are  my main media machine (which is a Dell) and my portable notebook which is a Lenovo Thinkpad of some kind.

You just can't go wrong with business class HP.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: roamer_1 on July 22, 2022, 04:26:19 pm
   Personally @sneakypete I wouldn't buy anything but a DELL Inspiron Laptop with an Intel I5 processor/8GB Ram.  I put many of my customers on one and they love it.  Here's one on EBAY with Win 10 from an Authorized Reseller for $300.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234571904775?hash=item369d933707:g:2akAAOSw0D1ipXx6 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/234571904775?hash=item369d933707:g:2akAAOSw0D1ipXx6)

I will second that, secondarily... I think business class Dell is probably the top of the heap at the moment... though I am probably HP business class at heart. That may be changing...
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on July 22, 2022, 04:47:15 pm
   Personally @sneakypete I wouldn't buy anything but a DELL Inspiron Laptop with an Intel I5 processor/8GB Ram.  I put many of my customers on one and they love it.  Here's one on EBAY with Win 10 from an Authorized Reseller for $300.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234571904775?hash=item369d933707:g:2akAAOSw0D1ipXx6 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/234571904775?hash=item369d933707:g:2akAAOSw0D1ipXx6)

I gotta have 16 gigs of Ram.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: roamer_1 on July 22, 2022, 04:50:05 pm
Well, @sneakypete ... The two you are looking at are kinda crap.

The i3 would kinda be a battery sipper if you are wanting something with longer battery life, but will suffer performance-wise when compared to i5 or i7.

but neither one has satisfactory RAM, and the sad thing about ACER is that their economy models are often incapable (artificially limited) from increasing RAM. Note that I don't know if that is still true - I haven't looked at an ACER in years. But I surely would be very careful about that aspect.

4g RAM is nowhere near enough.I would say Windows cannot run properly without 8g, and I REALLY like 16g. So right off the drop, figure on upgrading the RAM immediately.

@corbe is sending you the right way. With the money you have to spend, I would be looking for a used, off-lease, business class machine. At least 8g RAM and at least a newer generation i5 (or i7) processor.

Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on July 22, 2022, 04:55:19 pm
Here's another good choice:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/165394746454?epid=9043493048&hash=item26824b8c56:g:1CUAAOSwcGpiOK3G&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA0MIJxqtcJnfN7k1QJOeVIZ7TjnJaEr8a6dSTx5CYM3lZrkoE%2FT0sKGb01eI%2FrRd8qN2TKGTZIDCkRuCAGWesGBVaEoE8mdkqV1gAq8q8Qzn5t7C4oRah9DNt6%2BIwYEVwt88CegOogo05UVESG7atDTc2bLQv%2FVtZKeuEZobACXjclFGWWOs6PIrrDdn8yhn93EfCuzqhue3wcEPVEX7RfXVrIWYpxKR6gbIQonfEk2zoj%2ByYMWxrxyHokca7Oc6zclzzhhxd3BEiaQJJgd03hRI%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMnq2b7cRg
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Kamaji on July 22, 2022, 05:54:10 pm
I would strongly second the idea of getting an off-lease business model rather than getting a new economy model.  A number of years ago I purchased a couple of Dell desktops from eBay that had come off-lease, and didn't have much of a problem with them.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on July 22, 2022, 05:59:44 pm
Bought this in 2021:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08H2H89K1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Love it.

Heavy though... not light at all.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Fishrrman on July 22, 2022, 09:56:34 pm
SneakyPete --

Once again, I'm going to suggest "Mac".

THIS is what you should be looking at:
https://www.apple.com/macbook-air-m2/
(keep scrolling down from the opening image)

You can get a 10% "veteran's discount" from Apple. If you need help with that, I can explain further. But I just bought a 2021 MacBook Pro 14" and got $200 off last February.

I reckon "the base configuration" will do you fine.

And please -- none of the "I can't learn a new OS" nonsense.
The Mac will be "the easiest" computer you use and an "easy transition", as well.

There's even a "Windows migration assistant" app to get your stuff moved.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2022, 03:01:49 am
@Bigun @Kamaji   @Texas Yellow Rose  @corbe @roamer_1 @Weird Tolkienish Figure

@Fishrrman

Ok,guys,just pulled the trigger on this one.

Dell Latitude E5530 15.6 Inch Business Laptop, Intel Core i5-3210M up to 3.1GHz, 8G DDR3, 320G, DVD, VGA, HDMI, WiFi, Win 10 Pro 64 Bit Multi-Language Support English/French/Spanish(Renewed)

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Latitude-E5530-Business-Multi-Language/dp/B00WJTC13O/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1AUTB373MHH4O&keywords=Dell+Latitude+E5530+15.6+Inch+Business+Laptop%2C+Intel+Core+i5-3210M+up+to+3.1GHz%2C+8G+DDR3%2C+320G%2C+DVD%2C+VGA%2C+HDMI%2C+WiFi%2C+Win+10+Pro+64+Bit+Multi-Language+Support+English%2FFrench%2FSpanish%28Renewed%29&qid=1658631185&sprefix=dell+latitude+e5530+15.6+inch+business+laptop%2C+intel+core+i5-3210m+up+to+3.1ghz%2C+8g+ddr3%2C+320g%2C+dvd%2C+vga%2C+hdmi%2C+wifi%2C+win+10+pro+64+bit+multi-language+support+english%2Ffrench%2Fspanish+renewed+%2Caps%2C528&sr=8-1

Mostly because I am even cheaper than the computer,it is a 15.6 inch Dell,and it has a CD player. I learned a long time ago that I can't play computer games if I also want to waste time doing stupid stuff like eating,sleeping,taking showers,and leaving the house.

99 percent of what I do is buy stuff I need and get it shipped to me to save money on gas and time,and irritating people on TBR. Don't need all the latest and greatest do-dahs to do that,but I am DONE with 14 inch screens.

Might take this HP apart so I can maybe sell the screen to somebody for 20 bucks plus shipping,as well as a few other parts on it. Going to trash the hdd. Damn thing just wants to crash all the time,anyhow. I blame that on Win 11. Probably a faulty install at the factory,but I don't care. There were some really great deals out there on newer 15.6 laptops,but most seemed to have Win-11,and with chemo brain,I am just NOT interested in learning a new op system. The one I just bought has Win-10 Pro installed.

Taking a chance on a used one,but if it even lasts one year I can't see how I went wrong.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Gefn on July 24, 2022, 03:03:01 am
I’ve been saving up for an .Apple Mac Book pro.


Am I the only Mac enthusiast here?,
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Smokin Joe on July 24, 2022, 09:10:23 am

Almost all of my computers (7 of 10) are business class HP. My last (and now secondary, the one I take with me on service calls) laptop was the last of a long run of HP Elitebooks. My main laptop right now is a Dell inspiron.... The only other non-HPs in the whole place are  my main media machine (which is a Dell) and my portable notebook which is a Lenovo Thinkpad of some kind.

You just can't go wrong with business class HP.
I used Tosshibas through Win XP, am running an HP now, and have had good results (all laptops current one is an elitebook, I5 with 8GB Ram and a 256 gig SSD).
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on July 24, 2022, 01:46:44 pm
@Bigun @Kamaji   @Texas Yellow Rose  @corbe @roamer_1 @Weird Tolkienish Figure

@Fishrrman

Ok,guys,just pulled the trigger on this one.

Dell Latitude E5530 15.6 Inch Business Laptop, Intel Core i5-3210M up to 3.1GHz, 8G DDR3, 320G, DVD, VGA, HDMI, WiFi, Win 10 Pro 64 Bit Multi-Language Support English/French/Spanish(Renewed)

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Latitude-E5530-Business-Multi-Language/dp/B00WJTC13O/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1AUTB373MHH4O&keywords=Dell+Latitude+E5530+15.6+Inch+Business+Laptop%2C+Intel+Core+i5-3210M+up+to+3.1GHz%2C+8G+DDR3%2C+320G%2C+DVD%2C+VGA%2C+HDMI%2C+WiFi%2C+Win+10+Pro+64+Bit+Multi-Language+Support+English%2FFrench%2FSpanish%28Renewed%29&qid=1658631185&sprefix=dell+latitude+e5530+15.6+inch+business+laptop%2C+intel+core+i5-3210m+up+to+3.1ghz%2C+8g+ddr3%2C+320g%2C+dvd%2C+vga%2C+hdmi%2C+wifi%2C+win+10+pro+64+bit+multi-language+support+english%2Ffrench%2Fspanish+renewed+%2Caps%2C528&sr=8-1

Mostly because I am even cheaper than the computer,it is a 15.6 inch Dell,and it has a CD player. I learned a long time ago that I can't play computer games if I also want to waste time doing stupid stuff like eating,sleeping,taking showers,and leaving the house.

99 percent of what I do is buy stuff I need and get it shipped to me to save money on gas and time,and irritating people on TBR. Don't need all the latest and greatest do-dahs to do that,but I am DONE with 14 inch screens.

Might take this HP apart so I can maybe sell the screen to somebody for 20 bucks plus shipping,as well as a few other parts on it. Going to trash the hdd. Damn thing just wants to crash all the time,anyhow. I blame that on Win 11. Probably a faulty install at the factory,but I don't care. There were some really great deals out there on newer 15.6 laptops,but most seemed to have Win-11,and with chemo brain,I am just NOT interested in learning a new op system. The one I just bought has Win-10 Pro installed.

Taking a chance on a used one,but if it even lasts one year I can't see how I went wrong.

It will serve you well @sneakypete personally I would have gone with something that had an SSD and 16Gigs of RAM but that's just me.  Windows runs in 8 gigs but WAY more better in 16.  At least that has been my observation.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: catfish1957 on July 24, 2022, 01:51:11 pm
I’ve been saving up for an .Apple Mac Book pro.


Am I the only Mac enthusiast here?,

Nope.  I got tired of fighting the malware and viruses of WIN machines.  Not that ios products are exempt, but the problem is apparently infinitely less.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on July 24, 2022, 01:59:35 pm
I’ve been saving up for an .Apple Mac Book pro.


Am I the only Mac enthusiast here?,

I have never owned anything Apple and never will. Their way of doing business soured me on Apple products early on. @Gefn
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: roamer_1 on July 24, 2022, 02:03:30 pm
Nope.  I got tired of fighting the malware and viruses of WIN machines.  Not that ios products are exempt, but the problem is apparently infinitely less.

Viruses are pretty much non-existent since win10. Even spyware and such. I can't even tell you the last time I had an infection of any kind. Years and years.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: roamer_1 on July 24, 2022, 02:04:46 pm
I have never owned anything Apple and never will. Their way of doing business soured me on Apple products early on. @Gefn

I heard that @Bigun  :beer:
I own exactly nothing made by apple.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: catfish1957 on July 24, 2022, 02:04:49 pm
Viruses are pretty much non-existent since win10. Even spyware and such. I can't even tell you the last time I had an infection of any kind. Years and years.

That makes sense.  I made the full Apple conversion in about 2014.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: roamer_1 on July 24, 2022, 02:07:28 pm
It will serve you well @sneakypete personally I would have gone with something that had an SSD and 16Gigs of RAM but that's just me.  Windows runs in 8 gigs but WAY more better in 16.  At least that has been my observation.

@Bigun
But an SSD and added RAM are doable. Get recovered a little bit and add more RAM... down the line another couple months, add an SSD...

@sneakypete
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on July 24, 2022, 02:09:07 pm
I heard that @Bigun  :beer:
I own exactly nothing made by apple.

I'm the same way about GM products now after the crap they pulled, and got away with, when Obama was dictator.  I'll walk before I drive anything GM.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: roamer_1 on July 24, 2022, 02:11:39 pm
I'm the same way about GM products now after the crap they pulled, and got away with, when Obama was dictator.  I'll walk before I drive anything GM.

Well... I am a Chevy freak. Probably always will be. But I ain't ever bought new, and all my parts tend to be after-market... Chevy ain't making much off a 40 year old truck anyhow.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on July 24, 2022, 02:11:59 pm
@Bigun
But an SSD and added RAM are doable. Get recovered a little bit and add more RAM... down the line another couple months, add an SSD...

@sneakypete

OH yeah!  Of course.  But the upgrades will likely cost a bit more than buying a used machine already equipped. @roamer_1
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on July 24, 2022, 02:13:27 pm
Well... I am a Chevy freak. Probably always will be. But I ain't ever bought new, and all my parts tend to be after-market... Chevy ain't making much off a 40 year old truck anyhow.

I hear ya!  I wasn't talking about preexisting stuff anyway.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: roamer_1 on July 24, 2022, 02:17:26 pm
OH yeah!  Of course.  But the upgrades will likely cost a bit more than buying a used machine already equipped. @roamer_1

@Bigun
Right. But that expense is over time... and the box is still going to be way affordable. Only thing I don't like is that it has a DVD bay. That's getting kinda old. Might be that it ain't USB3 all the way either... hardware with a DVD often has only one or two USB3 ports, with the rest being USB2...

But it's a right enough box. It will work pretty good the way it is, and will be a hummer with added RAM and SSD.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on July 24, 2022, 02:21:11 pm
@Bigun
Right. But that expense is over time... and the box is still going to be way affordable. Only thing I don't like is that it has a DVD bay. That's getting kinda old. Might be that it ain't USB3 all the way either... hardware with a DVD often has only one or two USB3 ports, with the rest being USB2...

But it's a right enough box. It will work pretty good the way it is, and will be a hummer with added RAM and SSD.

I was just thinking about Pete in particular since he can't do the upgrades himself but you are right. That box will likely serve him just fine as is.

Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: catfish1957 on July 24, 2022, 02:22:01 pm
I heard that @Bigun  :beer:
I own exactly nothing made by apple.

If WIN has made that level of improvements around security, I might convert back.  Can't tell you how pissed off I was when I got my wife's last MacBook, and it was devoid of headphone jacks, SD ports, and standard USB connections. 
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2022, 02:33:16 pm
@Bigun
But an SSD and added RAM are doable. Get recovered a little bit and add more RAM... down the line another couple months, add an SSD...

@sneakypete

@roamer_1

Part of my plan was to add the RAM from this PC once I strip it. Never done this,but it can't be all that hard to do.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: roamer_1 on July 24, 2022, 02:34:19 pm
If WIN has made that level of improvements around security, I might convert back.  Can't tell you how pissed off I was when I got my wife's last MacBook, and it was devoid of headphone jacks, SD ports, and standard USB connections.

That's why I don't like Apple... Their phones are a perfect example... No auxiliary drive bay. Spend STUPID money, and wind up stuck without enough storage. I paid 150 bucks for my Samsung A-50 and stuffed a big flash card in it the next day. Heck I don't even know how big it is anymore... But I will never worry about it.

For all the money paid for that dang Apple phone, you'd think they could add a mini flash port. Makes me mad.

Their pooters... same thing. They run great, no doubt, but crazy expensive bang-for-buck, and no where near as easy to upgrade. And hardware externals and software too... Just all the way around.

I like the vast and distributed Windows marketplace. Especially when you are talking used. A three year old WinPC can be found for a song. A five year old Apple is still big bread. There is an argument there about retaining value, but the freewheeling market on the Windows side makes that really negligible.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on July 24, 2022, 02:39:02 pm
@roamer_1

Part of my plan was to add the RAM from this PC once I strip it. Never done this,but it can't be all that hard to do.

That may or may not be doable @sneakypete depends on if the RAM is compatible and how it's configured but even if you have to buy more it's not that big a deal.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: roamer_1 on July 24, 2022, 02:41:53 pm
@roamer_1

Part of my plan was to add the RAM from this PC once I strip it. Never done this,but it can't be all that hard to do.

@sneakypete

Might be out of luck on that... All RAM is not the same. and if your current box is new, I will bet it won't work in the refurb. You may be able to sell the ram to buy more ram for the refurb... If it is in 8g sticks or more... But DDR3 ram is around, and cheap, if you can find somebody that is plugged into that local market.

You might just run it by the EEK Squad at the Best Buy and get a quote for upgrading to 16g... That will get you a guaranteed hard number to work with. Then find out if you can beat it on your own. I sure could. But in your position, the deal may be satisfactory and not worth bothering further.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2022, 02:42:12 pm
That may or may not be doable @sneakypete depends on if the RAM is compatible and how it's configured but even if you have to buy more it's not that big a deal.

@Bigun

Thanks,I will check into the price of new RAM before I go to the trouble of trying to install the RAM from this one.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2022, 02:43:52 pm
@sneakypete

Might be out of luck on that... All RAM is not the same. and if your current box is new, I will bet it won't work in the refurb. You may be able to sell the ram to buy more ram for the refurb... If it is in 8g sticks or more... But DDR3 ram is around, and cheap, if you can find somebody that is plugged into that local market.

You might just run it by the EEK Squad at the Best Buy and get a quote for upgrading to 16g... That will get you a guaranteed hard number to work with. Then find out if you can beat it on your own. I sure could. But in your position, the deal may be satisfactory and not worth bothering further.

@roamer_1

Thanks!

I will email them today to see if that's possible.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: roamer_1 on July 24, 2022, 02:46:46 pm
@sneakypete


It would be interesting to find out if your current box has a SATA style SSD drive in it though. If you are parting it out, that might save you a buck. and you could find someone to do that right away.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on July 24, 2022, 02:50:49 pm
@Bigun

Thanks,I will check into the price of new RAM before I go to the trouble of trying to install the RAM from this one.

I've probably got some DDR3 Ram laying around here that I could send you but I need the exact spec and the link you posted now goes to some Acer POS. F'n Amazon!

Check that! I was clicking on one of the ones you were looking at not the one you bought. Anyway, when I looked it up It says RAM is maxed out at 8 gigs.  I highly doubt that is true so I'll check further @sneakypete
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: corbe on July 24, 2022, 03:07:12 pm
   @sneakypete There are plenty of UTube videos on how to disassemle a Laptop to upgrade the Ram or install a SSD.  Usually just requires a Jewlers phillips screwdriver.  Just put the Model # in UTube, ie...Dell Latitude 4345.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2022, 03:11:47 pm
   @sneakypete There are plenty of UTube videos on how to disassemle a Laptop to upgrade the Ram or install a SSD.  Usually just requires a Jewlers phillips screwdriver.  Just put the Model # in UTube, ie...Dell Latitude 4345.

@corbe

Thanks,I have a selection of jewelers screwdrivers I used to use when I was working on something forgotten. Maybe watches.

Damn chemo brain!
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Kamaji on July 24, 2022, 03:15:29 pm
   @sneakypete There are plenty of UTube videos on how to disassemle a Laptop to upgrade the Ram or install a SSD.  Usually just requires a Jewlers phillips screwdriver.  Just put the Model # in UTube, ie...Dell Latitude 4345.

An anti-static wrist band or pad is also an advisable accessory, depending on how far into the guts and innards one has to go.  I actually did manage to fry a motherboard one time just with static.  After that, I always have the anti-static wristband going.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on July 24, 2022, 03:50:01 pm
@sneakypete

Check your PMs
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2022, 03:52:49 pm
An anti-static wrist band or pad is also an advisable accessory, depending on how far into the guts and innards one has to go.  I actually did manage to fry a motherboard one time just with static.  After that, I always have the anti-static wristband going.

@Kamaji

Never heard of such a thing. Do you have a brand name and/or a source you can give me?
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: roamer_1 on July 24, 2022, 03:59:18 pm
@Kamaji

Never heard of such a thing. Do you have a brand name and/or a source you can give me?

@sneakypete

All you need is a hunk of wire going to ground and wrap it around your wrist or ankle... or touch something to ground yourself... same as letting loose a static spark when you touch a doorknob. I never bother because my benches are metal and grounded. it is nearly impossible for me to carry a charge to a machine.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Kamaji on July 24, 2022, 03:59:25 pm
@Kamaji

Never heard of such a thing. Do you have a brand name and/or a source you can give me?

@sneakypete

Sort of like these:  https://www.amazon.com/s?k=anti-static+wrist&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0bi7nvKR-QIVJv7jBx0t1g1KEAAYASAAEgKANfD_BwE&hvadid=174231267041&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9067609&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=8636382381488605389&hvtargid=kwd-2670500452&hydadcr=24658_9648989&tag=googhydr-20&ref=pd_sl_92n8b8y6x9_e
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on July 24, 2022, 04:10:24 pm
That's why I don't like Apple... Their phones are a perfect example... No auxiliary drive bay. Spend STUPID money, and wind up stuck without enough storage. I paid 150 bucks for my Samsung A-50 and stuffed a big flash card in it the next day. Heck I don't even know how big it is anymore... But I will never worry about it.

For all the money paid for that dang Apple phone, you'd think they could add a mini flash port. Makes me mad.

Their pooters... same thing. They run great, no doubt, but crazy expensive bang-for-buck, and no where near as easy to upgrade. And hardware externals and software too... Just all the way around.

I like the vast and distributed Windows marketplace. Especially when you are talking used. A three year old WinPC can be found for a song. A five year old Apple is still big bread. There is an argument there about retaining value, but the freewheeling market on the Windows side makes that really negligible.

I have a Motorola Moto G Power (2021) that I paid less than $100 for brand new that does everything I know how to do and more.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: corbe on July 24, 2022, 04:17:44 pm
@Kamaji

Never heard of such a thing. Do you have a brand name and/or a source you can give me?

   I only wore one when Wal~Mart made me wear one to work on their Lazer systems and Forklift Radio's.  If your area is experiencing Brown Outs you can forgo your usual paranoia about such things.   :smokin:
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: corbe on July 24, 2022, 04:24:06 pm
   I gotta admit they are somewhat functional.  You don't lose that roach you just puffed on.

(https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51Z16bnSGzL._SL500_AC_SS350_.jpg)
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2022, 04:32:20 pm
@sneakypete

Sort of like these:  https://www.amazon.com/s?k=anti-static+wrist&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0bi7nvKR-QIVJv7jBx0t1g1KEAAYASAAEgKANfD_BwE&hvadid=174231267041&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9067609&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=8636382381488605389&hvtargid=kwd-2670500452&hydadcr=24658_9648989&tag=googhydr-20&ref=pd_sl_92n8b8y6x9_e

@Kamaji

Thanks,just ordered one.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: sneakypete on July 24, 2022, 04:35:34 pm
Viruses are pretty much non-existent since win10. Even spyware and such. I can't even tell you the last time I had an infection of any kind. Years and years.

@roamer_1

You don't consider Windows to be a virus?
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 24, 2022, 08:12:26 pm
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Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on July 24, 2022, 09:54:44 pm
Out of sheer boredom I went looking today and found it amazing what you can find for under $500 these days.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Fishrrman on July 24, 2022, 09:57:24 pm
catfish:
"If WIN has made that level of improvements around security, I might convert back.  Can't tell you how pissed off I was when I got my wife's last MacBook, and it was devoid of headphone jacks, SD ports, and standard USB connections."

Then... YOU DIDN'T BUY THE RIGHT ONE.
Didn't you investigate all the possible models before you bought?

My 2021 MacBook Pro 14" has:
Left side: Magsafe connection, 2 USBc ports, headphone jack
Right side: 1 USBc port, HDMI port, SD card slot.

Inside, the RAM, SSD and [Apple m-series] CPU are all "integrated" into a nonreplaceable single unit design.
Base model of the MBP 14" comes with 16gb RAM and a 512gb SSD. All that I'll need for it...

Runs great. Should last me at least 5-6 years, but could easily last 10 or more.
I gave my 2015 MacBook Pro 13" to my sister.
I still have a 2010 MBP 13" that boots and runs ok...
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: catfish1957 on July 24, 2022, 10:03:04 pm
catfish:
"If WIN has made that level of improvements around security, I might convert back.  Can't tell you how pissed off I was when I got my wife's last MacBook, and it was devoid of headphone jacks, SD ports, and standard USB connections."

Then... YOU DIDN'T BUY THE RIGHT ONE.
Didn't you investigate all the possible models before you bought?

My 2021 MacBook Pro 14" has:
Left side: Magsafe connection, 2 USBc ports, headphone jack
Right side: 1 USBc port, HDMI port, SD card slot.

Inside, the RAM, SSD and [Apple m-series] CPU are all "integrated" into a nonreplaceable single unit design.
Base model of the MBP 14" comes with 16gb RAM and a 512gb SSD. All that I'll need for it...

Runs great. Should last me at least 5-6 years, but could easily last 10 or more.
I gave my 2015 MacBook Pro 13" to my sister.
I still have a 2010 MBP 13" that boots and runs ok...

Yes, I did do my research.....We wanted a MacBook Air, not Pro.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Drago on July 25, 2022, 04:34:54 am
You must have got the "Johny Ive" model MB Air....my 2012 Mac Book Air has all of those ports (SD card, USB, and a headphone jack)...and is still running like a champ 10 years later!  The new "M2" MacBook Air's have a headphone jack and 2 T-Bolt/USB 3.2-4.0 ports and "Magsafe" is back for power. (Johny Ive not at Apple anymore...more ports and 1-2mm thicker is back!)   ;-)  The MacBook Pro's have all of the above and an SDXC card slot.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: sneakypete on August 03, 2022, 01:26:41 am
Ok guys,my refubrished Dell 16 inch laptop came in yesterday.

Looks to be perfect in every way.

Have it working properly now,downloaded my anti-virus software and loaded it,and am now trying to access my emails on microsoft mail on this computer,and can't even get the sign-in page to open.

Trying to avoid getting emails on my new used computer at the moment because due to my chemo brain,that would make me even more confused.

Is it me,or are there some problems now with the Microsoft mail system?
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: corbe on August 03, 2022, 01:39:37 am
   I don't use Microsoft Mail, I found it very clunky. Can you use Webmail instead?  Is it a gmail or yahoo account?
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Smokin Joe on August 03, 2022, 03:43:48 am
I'm the same way about GM products now after the crap they pulled, and got away with, when Obama was dictator.  I'll walk before I drive anything GM.
I have a herd of GM--all pre-Obama, all 20th Century.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: sneakypete on August 03, 2022, 04:18:18 am
@Bigun @corbe @catfish1957 @Smokin Joe

Sorry for anybody I left out.

Well,my new/refurbished computer arrived yesterday,and not a moment too soon. MY hp Win. 7 computer is going nuts.

The damn thing looks like a new one,but seems to be a little slower than the Win 11 computer. Might/probably is due to chemo brain. I literally spent months trying to figure out WIN11,and since my memory sucks,I now need learn how to use WIN10 again. I have the professional version.

Even if this one turns out to be slower than the Win 11 computer,I really don't give a damn. It ain't like I am surfing the web for technical stuff,and I have no where to go but to doctors visits,and nothing to do but sit on my ass.

Besides,most of the problems I am having are directly related to Chemo Brain,and the computer has nothing to do with it.

 
The new/old one is one hell of a lot heavier than the Win 11 computer,and I like that.

BTW,went to the circulation specialist again today after him setting me free a few months ago. Since I can't bend my left knee or raise my left leg more than maybe 6-8 inches,

We got into a discussion about why my left leg continues to leak "water",and was told it was because my heart is too weak to pump the blood back up again.

Going to call me heart doc tomorrow and get an appointment so I can ask him if it is ok for me to stop taking the pills he gave me. My BP is typically low and has been low for the last year or so. NOT going to stop taking them until the heart doc and I have a face to face discussion,though.

I figured there was some good reason for me to fall asleep without warning while watching tv at night. Thanks to the left leg leaking stinking fluid,I have been sleeping sitting up for the last couple of years,and my back is killing me.

I know all this is off-topic,but maybe someone else can learn from my mistakes.

Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: sneakypete on August 03, 2022, 04:21:34 am
   I don't use Microsoft Mail, I found it very clunky. Can you use Webmail instead?  Is it a gmail or yahoo account?

@corbe

I use MS mail so I can keep my Firefox browser free of that crap.

As for clunky,I really don't care. I delete probably 90 percent of the mail I get without even opening it anyway.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on August 03, 2022, 02:29:40 pm
@Bigun @corbe @catfish1957 @Smokin Joe

Sorry for anybody I left out.

Well,my new/refurbished computer arrived yesterday,and not a moment too soon. MY hp Win. 7 computer is going nuts.

The damn thing looks like a new one,but seems to be a little slower than the Win 11 computer. Might/probably is due to chemo brain. I literally spent months trying to figure out WIN11,and since my memory sucks,I now need learn how to use WIN10 again. I have the professional version.

Even if this one turns out to be slower than the Win 11 computer,I really don't give a damn. It ain't like I am surfing the web for technical stuff,and I have no where to go but to doctors visits,and nothing to do but sit on my ass.

Besides,most of the problems I am having are directly related to Chemo Brain,and the computer has nothing to do with it.

 
The new/old one is one hell of a lot heavier than the Win 11 computer,and I like that.

BTW,went to the circulation specialist again today after him setting me free a few months ago. Since I can't bend my left knee or raise my left leg more than maybe 6-8 inches,

We got into a discussion about why my left leg continues to leak "water",and was told it was because my heart is too weak to pump the blood back up again.

Going to call me heart doc tomorrow and get an appointment so I can ask him if it is ok for me to stop taking the pills he gave me. My BP is typically low and has been low for the last year or so. NOT going to stop taking them until the heart doc and I have a face to face discussion,though.

I figured there was some good reason for me to fall asleep without warning while watching tv at night. Thanks to the left leg leaking stinking fluid,I have been sleeping sitting up for the last couple of years,and my back is killing me.

I know all this is off-topic,but maybe someone else can learn from my mistakes.

@sneakypete Like it or not, I'm going to continue praying for you to get those medical problems solved and get back to your normal self.

WRT to the computers, I'm very sure the light W11 computer you like can easily be reverted back to W10. If you can't do it the local shop can do it for you for a few $$$.

Many here can walk you through doing that if you need it.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: sneakypete on August 03, 2022, 04:18:17 pm
@sneakypete 

WRT to the computers, I'm very sure the light W11 computer you like can easily be reverted back to W10. If you can't do it the local shop can do it for you for a few $$$.

Many here can walk you through doing that if you need it.

@Bigun

Thanks for the offer,but  doing this stuff makes my head hurt worse than ever. I will be trying to do something,and forget what I am doing while I am doing it.

In other words,fooling with the 14 inch laptop with the silver keys that I absolutely hate is just not worth the grief.

I will never again buy a 14 inch computer,or any computer with silver keys.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on August 03, 2022, 04:21:26 pm
@Bigun

Thanks for the offer,but  doing this stuff makes my head hurt worse than ever. I will be trying to do something,and forget what I am doing while I am doing it.

In other words,fooling with the 14 inch laptop with the silver keys that I absolutely hate is just not worth the grief.

I will never again buy a 14 inch computer,or any computer with silver keys.

Yeah! I hear ya!  (I think I misread what you wrote earlier.)
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on August 03, 2022, 04:30:55 pm
Windows 10 is not impervious to security vulnerabilities ...

CVE Details
Microsoft » Windows 10 : Security Vulnerabilities
https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/product_id-32238/Microsoft-Windows-10.html (https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/product_id-32238/Microsoft-Windows-10.html)

... any software, including operating systems, can be vulernable to security exploits at any time.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/09/26/ea/0926eafb9ecc15cc424f5fddcde09287.gif)
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Gefn on August 17, 2022, 02:51:48 am
I’m looking between a MacBook Pro and a MacBook Air.

Anyone here in a Mac platform? Which do you prefer?

Leaning towards the Pro…I’m replacing a Pro from 2011.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on August 17, 2022, 02:20:34 pm
I’m looking between a MacBook Pro and a MacBook Air.

Anyone here in a Mac platform? Which do you prefer?

Leaning towards the Pro…I’m replacing a Pro from 2011.

I think the Air is cheaper.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: catfish1957 on August 17, 2022, 02:31:06 pm
I’m looking between a MacBook Pro and a MacBook Air.

Anyone here in a Mac platform? Which do you prefer?

Leaning towards the Pro…I’m replacing a Pro from 2011.

The Air's did away with the SD slots, and I understand the "pro's" kept it.  My wife's new "Air" also didn not have that nice mag power connector either.....  And finally it was a tad smaller too.   So if cost is not an issue, I'd go "Pro"
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: roamer_1 on August 17, 2022, 05:49:48 pm
I’m looking between a MacBook Pro and a MacBook Air.

Anyone here in a Mac platform? Which do you prefer?

Leaning towards the Pro…I’m replacing a Pro from 2011.

Sorry, I don't do Mac.

I know you can save a ton if you by a used one 3 or so years old... At least out here, they tend to drop in value around there. Still, figure on paying 2/3 of new...If you can find one.

Which is why I don't do Mac. The bag-for-buck is crazy better on the PC side. A comparable PC would have cost half as much as a Mac to start with, and by 3 or 4 years old, that PC would be worth a third of that.

Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on August 17, 2022, 05:58:38 pm
Quote
Sorry, I don't do Mac.

Or anything else Apple!
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 17, 2022, 06:05:51 pm
Sorry, I don't do Mac.

I know you can save a ton if you by a used one 3 or so years old... At least out here, they tend to drop in value around there. Still, figure on paying 2/3 of new...If you can find one.

Which is why I don't do Mac. The bag-for-buck is crazy better on the PC side. A comparable PC would have cost half as much as a Mac to start with, and by 3 or 4 years old, that PC would be worth a third of that.

I had a MacBook Pro once, and I liked it.  However, Apple also practices Bloatware, so it became useless after a few years just like a Windows box.  Snow Leopard killed my machine dead.

Planned Obsolescence is alive and well at Apple.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on August 17, 2022, 06:11:33 pm
I had a MacBook Pro once, and I liked it.  However, Apple also practices Bloatware, so it became useless after a few years just like a Windows box.  Snow Leopard killed my machine dead.

Planned Obsolescence is alive and well at Apple.

Their marketing scheme SUCKS.  I'm not playing their games.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: roamer_1 on August 17, 2022, 07:04:51 pm
I had a MacBook Pro once, and I liked it.  However, Apple also practices Bloatware, so it became useless after a few years just like a Windows box.  Snow Leopard killed my machine dead.

Planned Obsolescence is alive and well at Apple.

The thing I don't like is that they guard their service. Open that box without the codes to reset the security and new boxes will brick... And they are among the worst for having unrepairable components and no thought toward expansion.

Almost every new PC box has BOTH m.2 (or NVMe) AND SATA ports - so adding a drive is nothing.
Adding RAM is a piece of cake... Not so easy in MAC.

My sis is into Apple Phones. She is forever dogged by not enough room on that phone, and no way to expand it... First thing I did on my droid was to install another 128g flash card into it... I don't ever worry about storage onboard. With somewhere around 180g, I have my entire music library right onboard.

Yeah. No Macs for me. But different strokes...  :shrug:
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: sneakypete on January 28, 2023, 01:59:33 am
Ok guys,my refubrished Dell 16 inch laptop came in yesterday.

Looks to be perfect in every way.

Have it working properly now,downloaded my anti-virus software and loaded it,and am now trying to access my emails on microsoft mail on this computer,and can't even get the sign-in page to open.

Trying to avoid getting emails on my new used computer at the moment because due to my chemo brain,that would make me even more confused.

Is it me,or are there some problems now with the Microsoft mail system?

Ok,guys,girls,undecideds,been having trouble with the  "new/reconditioned computer" that I bought maybe a year ago this week,and I just don't have the mental facilities or the patience to try to fix it thanks to chemo brain,so I just ordered a 15.6 reconditioned Dell from Amazon for $268 that comes with a fresh reload of Win10 Pro. Given how little 268 bucks buys these days,that's a bargain just because I don't have to figure out how to fix corrupted software.

Plus,it will be screaming fast compared to my old one.
 
Dell Latitude E6540 15.6in Laptop, Core i7-4600M 2.9GHz, 8GB Ram, 500GB SSD, DVDRW, Windows 10 Pro 64bit (Renewed)

LOT of computer for 268 bucks.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: corbe on January 28, 2023, 02:11:00 am
   That is a lot of laptop for $268 @sneakypete
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: sneakypete on January 28, 2023, 02:30:09 am
   That is a lot of laptop for $268 @sneakypete

@corbe

That was my thinking,also.

Plus,I get to start off with a clean software reinstall instead of having to use my chemo brain to get everything working with the new software.

IF I am lucky,the first thing I will do after booting it up is to take a thumb drive and download all the software programs,if I can figure out the logical way to do it.

I am VERY open to suggestions on this. I would really love to have a pristine software install on reserve for when I screw it up and need to reload Win 10 pro.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: corbe on January 28, 2023, 02:42:28 am
   Win10 and Win11 (all flavors) have an easy and great Restore/Reset feature in the Settings.  Open a Microsoft and gmail account to take care of everything except your personal data (docs, pics etc..) you'll have to figure that out and put it on an inexpensive thumb drive, would be my suggestion.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: sneakypete on January 28, 2023, 03:02:43 am
   Win10 and Win11 (all flavors) have an easy and great Restore/Reset feature in the Settings.  Open a Microsoft and gmail account to take care of everything except your personal data (docs, pics etc..) you'll have to figure that out and put it on an inexpensive thumb drive, would be my suggestion.

@corbe

Thank you!

What would be wrong about putting the new operating system on a thumbdrive?
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: corbe on January 28, 2023, 03:05:40 am
   Sure, you can download it from Microsoft and make a bootable USB drive.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: corbe on January 28, 2023, 03:11:20 am
Create Windows 10 installation media


To get started, you will first need to have a license to install Windows 10. You can then download and run the media creation tool. For more information on how to use the tool, see the instructions below.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10)
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on January 28, 2023, 03:16:38 am
Ok,guys,girls,undecideds,been having trouble with the  "new/reconditioned computer" that I bought maybe a year ago this week,and I just don't have the mental facilities or the patience to try to fix it thanks to chemo brain,so I just ordered a 15.6 reconditioned Dell from Amazon for $268 that comes with a fresh reload of Win10 Pro. Given how little 268 bucks buys these days,that's a bargain just because I don't have to figure out how to fix corrupted software.

Plus,it will be screaming fast compared to my old one.
 
Dell Latitude E6540 15.6in Laptop, Core i7-4600M 2.9GHz, 8GB Ram, 500GB SSD, DVDRW, Windows 10 Pro 64bit (Renewed)

LOT of computer for 268 bucks.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: DB on January 28, 2023, 03:29:37 am
Ok,guys,girls,undecideds,been having trouble with the  "new/reconditioned computer" that I bought maybe a year ago this week,and I just don't have the mental facilities or the patience to try to fix it thanks to chemo brain,so I just ordered a 15.6 reconditioned Dell from Amazon for $268 that comes with a fresh reload of Win10 Pro. Given how little 268 bucks buys these days,that's a bargain just because I don't have to figure out how to fix corrupted software.

Plus,it will be screaming fast compared to my old one.
 
Dell Latitude E6540 15.6in Laptop, Core i7-4600M 2.9GHz, 8GB Ram, 500GB SSD, DVDRW, Windows 10 Pro 64bit (Renewed)

LOT of computer for 268 bucks.

All of that sounds pretty good for $268. An i7 and SSD will help quite a bit to make it a fast machine. Having someone upgrade the memory to 16 GB would be a plus and shouldn't be expensive.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: DB on January 28, 2023, 03:34:02 am
That's why I don't like Apple... Their phones are a perfect example... No auxiliary drive bay. Spend STUPID money, and wind up stuck without enough storage. I paid 150 bucks for my Samsung A-50 and stuffed a big flash card in it the next day. Heck I don't even know how big it is anymore... But I will never worry about it.

For all the money paid for that dang Apple phone, you'd think they could add a mini flash port. Makes me mad.

Their pooters... same thing. They run great, no doubt, but crazy expensive bang-for-buck, and no where near as easy to upgrade. And hardware externals and software too... Just all the way around.

I like the vast and distributed Windows marketplace. Especially when you are talking used. A three year old WinPC can be found for a song. A five year old Apple is still big bread. There is an argument there about retaining value, but the freewheeling market on the Windows side makes that really negligible.

Apple demands total control of what goes in their stuff. A micro SD card slot would make it more susceptible to water damage since they make access to the inside difficult.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: roamer_1 on January 28, 2023, 04:51:21 am
Apple demands total control of what goes in their stuff. A micro SD card slot would make it more susceptible to water damage since they make access to the inside difficult.

 :shrug:

So make do with 32 or 64g?

Absolutely not. Not for that kind of money...  **nononono*

Nope. I will stick with Droid and as much storage as I can stand, for a quarter of the cost. It ain't no damn piano. It will be junk in another year or so when I go to upgrade again. So why spend big money to put up with it? Makes no sense to me at all.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: DB on January 28, 2023, 03:46:05 pm
:shrug:

So make do with 32 or 64g?

Absolutely not. Not for that kind of money...  **nononono*

Nope. I will stick with Droid and as much storage as I can stand, for a quarter of the cost. It ain't no damn piano. It will be junk in another year or so when I go to upgrade again. So why spend big money to put up with it? Makes no sense to me at all.

I was agreeing with you... Just adding to it...
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Hoodat on January 28, 2023, 05:24:34 pm
Just bought a new laptop several weeks back (discussed on another thread).  For email, I installed Thunderbird to manage my gmail account, and I am very happy with it.  Microsoft can kiss my ass with their monthly charge for Outlook.  Thanks again, @roamer_1

Now I am looking for a pdf reader program that can combine pdf files into a single file.  That's basically all I need with pdfs.  A permanent license from adobe is around $350.  Would really like to avoid paying that.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Elderberry on January 28, 2023, 05:42:12 pm
Just bought a new laptop several weeks back (discussed on another thread).  For email, I installed Thunderbird to manage my gmail account, and I am very happy with it.  Microsoft can kiss my ass with their monthly charge for Outlook.  Thanks again, @roamer_1

Now I am looking for a pdf reader program that can combine pdf files into a single file.  That's basically all I need with pdfs.  A permanent license from adobe is around $350.  Would really like to avoid paying that.

I've been using PDF Studio Pro for a lotta years now, but never needed to combine pdfs with it. I looked, an it has that capability.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: roamer_1 on January 28, 2023, 05:54:26 pm
Just bought a new laptop several weeks back (discussed on another thread).  For email, I installed Thunderbird to manage my gmail account, and I am very happy with it.  Microsoft can kiss my ass with their monthly charge for Outlook.  Thanks again, @roamer_1


Very happy to have been of service @Hoodat   happy77

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Now I am looking for a pdf reader program that can combine pdf files into a single file.  That's basically all I need with pdfs.  A permanent license from adobe is around $350.  Would really like to avoid paying that.

It's a kludge, but you can do that printing to pdf with the common printer available in windows since Win6.

Now, it is a careful thing without much for options, but you can (or could) select several files (in file manager, throw a rope or ctrl-select for example)... RClick should make 'print...' available. From there select 'Print to PDF' and away you go.

Now, it is a kludge as I said, because the only control you have is order according to your selection, as you select it - There was something weird in that, like the order being opposite of expectation or something like that... But it worked.

Sorry if that is vague. I have not done it in a long, long time, and I only used it that way for a while when my Umax flatbed quit speaking to it's software after an OS upgrade. Too kludgy for me, and I went to an HP all-in-wonder to make it a fix.

Tangentially, you can probably bring up multiple docs in a scanner software, combine and sort them, and then print to pdf... But that would depend upon your scanner software.

I have nothing more, unless you want to play with OpenOffice or LibreOffice, whose inbuilt ability in their word processor should function - Again, open multiple, read and edit/upmark/order in oOo, and then print to pdf.

But I am no longer in that kind of work, for a long time, so I got nothing, really.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Hoodat on January 28, 2023, 06:58:52 pm
Any time I want to convert a scan to PDF, I use the 'Microsoft print to pdf' option, even on pooters that have Adobe.  But lets say I'm doing an expense report and I have to scan receipts for each expense.  Once completed, I want to take all those pdf files and combine them into one multi-page pdf file.  Acrobat has an option for combining pdf files.  I want to know if there is a competitor that offers the same thing.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: roamer_1 on January 28, 2023, 07:06:49 pm
Any time I want to convert a scan to PDF, I use the 'Microsoft print to pdf' option, even on pooters that have Adobe.  But lets say I'm doing an expense report and I have to scan receipts for each expense.  Once completed, I want to take all those pdf files and combine them into one multi-page pdf file.  Acrobat has an option for combining pdf files.  I want to know if there is a competitor that offers the same thing.

That can be done inside the scanner software, part and parcel with the scanning... That's how I did it back when I did it for real. But, like I said, that depends highly upon your scanner software - Which sometimes resides on the DVD and is not installed unless you go looking for it. But scanner workshop software used to be provided. If all you've done is install the drivers, I would go looking on the DVD or scanner site.

But like I said, it's been a long time... maybe that ain't so anymore. That's why I stayed in Umax scanners as long as I did... because their scanner desktop software really worked well for the organization you are looking for.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on January 28, 2023, 07:08:07 pm
Any time I want to convert a scan to PDF, I use the 'Microsoft print to pdf' option, even on pooters that have Adobe.  But lets say I'm doing an expense report and I have to scan receipts for each expense.  Once completed, I want to take all those pdf files and combine them into one multi-page pdf file.  Acrobat has an option for combining pdf files.  I want to know if there is a competitor that offers the same thing.

@ Hoodat Take a look at https://dochub.com/
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Hoodat on January 28, 2023, 07:11:40 pm
Thank you, sir.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: Bigun on January 28, 2023, 07:18:17 pm
Thank you, sir.

I don't have much need for it now, but it worked for me in the past.
Title: Re: Advise on buying new laptop
Post by: sneakypete on January 29, 2023, 12:30:55 am
Just bought a new laptop several weeks back (discussed on another thread).  For email, I installed Thunderbird to manage my gmail account, and I am very happy with it.  Microsoft can kiss my ass with their monthly charge for Outlook. Thanks again, @roamer_1

@Hoodat

Huh? I have been using MS Outlook for a couple of years,and have yet to get a bill or pay a dime.