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General Category => Elections 2020 => Topic started by: mystery-ak on February 04, 2022, 11:03:42 pm
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Pence breaks with Trump: 'I had no right to overturn the election'
By Brett Samuels - 02/04/22 03:42 PM EST
Former Vice President Mike Pence on Friday sharply rebuked former President Trump for suggesting he had the ability to overturn the results of the 2020 election, calling the idea "un-American."
"There are those in our party who believe that as the presiding officer over the joint session of Congress, I possessed unilateral authority to reject Electoral College votes. And I heard this week that President Trump said I had the right to ‘overturn the election,'" Pence said at a Federalist Society event in Florida.
"President Trump is wrong. I had no right to overturn the election," Pence continued. "The presidency belongs to the American people, and the American people alone. Frankly, there is almost no idea more un-American than the notion that any one person could choose the American president."
"Under the Constitution, I had no right to change the outcome of our election. And Kamala Harris will have no right to overturn the election when we beat them in 2024," Pence said to applause.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/592878-pence-breaks-with-trump-i-had-no-right-to-overturn-the-election
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No one asked this @$$ hat to overturn an election! What they did ask was for him to do his duty and allow the process to confirm or deny the results reported by the states.
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Now Trump trashes Pence. This is a very bad look for him and emboldens his detractors.
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No one asked this @$$ hat to overturn an election! What they did ask was for him to do his duty and allow the process to confirm or deny the results reported by the states.
There is nothing in the constitution that allows for a veep to do anything except what Pence did that day.
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There is nothing in the constitution that allows for a veep to do anything except what Pence did that day.
Then why have the little ceremony in the first place?
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What could have been.
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Now Trump trashes Pence. This is a very bad look for him and emboldens his detractors.
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Trumpty Dumpty reaffirms his bitch and moan character when opposed, the hallmark of those unable to deal w/criticism.
Long past time his Devotees/Disciples shut the door on this buffoon whose skill consists of making noise.
Every time he opens his mouth he further alienates/isolates himself from normal plain people.
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But, @Absalom He'll be different next time. /s
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There is nothing in the constitution that allows for a veep to do anything except what Pence did that day.
As usual, YOU are FOS!
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No one asked this @$$ hat to overturn an election! What they did ask was for him to do his duty and allow the process to confirm or deny the results reported by the states.
:yowsa:
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Pence breaks with Trump: 'I had no right to overturn the election'
The Democrats are the ones who overturned the election, dumb-ass.
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Trumpty Dumpty reaffirms his bitch and moan character when opposed, the hallmark of those unable to deal w/criticism.
Long past time his Devotees/Disciples shut the door on this buffoon whose skill consists of making noise.
Every time he opens his mouth he further alienates/isolates himself from normal plain people.
If this were truly the case, then the Dems would not have needed to cheat their way to an election win.
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No one asked this @$$ hat to overturn an election! What they did ask was for him to do his duty and allow the process to confirm or deny the results reported by the states.
Pence is changing the subject to justify his cowardice and pusillanimity. He is now claiming that President Trump was asking him to commit insurrection. In fact, Trump was asking him to use his position and authority to do his job. Not the same thing at all. Pence is the very definition of milquetoast.
And this guy is the guy the RINOs want to run for President? He wouldn't last a month.
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There is nothing in the constitution that allows for a veep to do anything except what Pence did that day.
Republican electors in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada, and New Mexico cast alternative slates of votes for President Donald Trump on Dec. 14, as the certified Democrat electors in the same states cast votes for former Vice President Joe Biden.
https://noqreport.com/2020/12/16/electors-in-7-states-cast-dueling-votes-for-trump/
Pence would have been correct under the US Constitution to return the issue to the states to resolve before certification by Congress. There was sufficient time to settle the issue prior to the arbitrary deadline of Jan. 6.
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Pence and George W. Bush should be Great friends.
They are two sides of the same coin.
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This again is why Trump should have been putting nails in the coffin of the GOP Establishment instead of taking their advice for VP candidates.
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Then why have the little ceremony in the first place?
I don't know. maybe because it's in the constitution?
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Republican electors in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada, and New Mexico cast alternative slates of votes for President Donald Trump on Dec. 14, as the certified Democrat electors in the same states cast votes for former Vice President Joe Biden.
https://noqreport.com/2020/12/16/electors-in-7-states-cast-dueling-votes-for-trump/
Pence would have been correct under the US Constitution to return the issue to the states to resolve before certification by Congress. There was sufficient time to settle the issue prior to the arbitrary deadline of Jan. 6.
There is nothing in the constitution that provides for the Veep to do anything but what he did on Jan 6.
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This again is why Trump should have been putting nails in the coffin of the GOP Establishment instead of taking their advice for VP candidates.
Yes, maybe he could have found one who, being a total toady in a Dracula/Renfield-type relationship, would have done anything his master told him to do. And licked his boots afterwards like a good toady.
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Republican electors in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada, and New Mexico cast alternative slates of votes for President Donald Trump on Dec. 14, as the certified Democrat electors in the same states cast votes for former Vice President Joe Biden.
https://noqreport.com/2020/12/16/electors-in-7-states-cast-dueling-votes-for-trump/
Pence would have been correct under the US Constitution to return the issue to the states to resolve before certification by Congress. There was sufficient time to settle the issue prior to the arbitrary deadline of Jan. 6.
All those "alternate electors" selected by Trump who showed up at the certification ceremony were all illegitimate.
In fact, by claiming to be actual electors they were all committing fraud and could be prosecuted. As could the people who put them up to doing what they did.
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All those "alternate electors" selected by Trump who showed up at the certification ceremony were all illegitimate.
In fact, by claiming to be actual electors they were all committing fraud and could be prosecuted. As could the people who put them up to doing what they did.
Electors are chosen at the State level. Trump has nothing to do with their selection.
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All those "alternate electors" selected by Trump who showed up at the certification ceremony were all illegitimate.
They were not chosen by Trump and they were submitted to the President of the Senate on Dec. 14 ..... Pence had ample time to return both sets of electors to the state legislatures to review and receive back the recertified electors prior to the Jan 6 deadline.
The democrats now want to pass an election law that includes moving the Jan 6 deadline to Dec 14. Gee, I wonder what could be prompting them to screw with the Congressional deadline for final certification?? :pondering:
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Electors are chosen at the State level. Trump has nothing to do with their selection.
Yes, I'm sure Trump had no influence on the individual states sending phony electors. Sure thing.
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They were not chosen by Trump and they were submitted to the President of the Senate on Dec. 14 ..... Pence had ample time to return both sets of electors to the state legislatures to review and receive back the recertified electors prior to the Jan 6 deadline.
The democrats now want to pass an election law that includes moving the Jan 6 deadline to Dec 14. Gee, I wonder what could be prompting them to screw with the Congressional deadline for final certification?? :pondering:
Under what authority did the alternate i.e. phony electors get sent to Washington? None of those phony electors had any legitimacy.
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Yes, I'm sure Trump had no influence on the individual states sending phony electors. Sure thing.
Uh, but that's not what you said. You clearly stated, "All those "alternate electors" selected by Trump". Again, they were not selected by Trump. Those were the electors chosen long beforehand by the State Parties to represent the Republican candidate at the meeting of the Electoral College. I can't speak for the rest of the States, but the electors here in Georgia took it upon themselves to follow through with their responsibility, knowing full well that their own party was complicit in the fraudulent outcome of a statewide election. And without an excess of 100,000 fraudulent absentee ballots, illegal votes, underage votes, out of state votes, harvested ballots, and photocopied ballots, the legitimate results would have rightfully given them their seats.
But then you knew all that already.
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Under what authority did the alternate i.e. phony electors get sent to Washington? None of those phony electors had any legitimacy.
That's really beautiful and all. But what does that have to do with Trump?
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Republicans back Pence rebuke of Trump on overturning 2020 election
By Mychael Schnell - 02/06/22 02:03 PM EST
A number of GOP figures on Sunday said they backed former Vice President Mike Pence in his rebuke of former President Trump's claim that he had the authority to overturn the 2020 election results.
Pence made headlines on Friday when he broke from Trump in the clearest terms yet, saying the former president was “wrong” in believing he had the right to overturn the election when he oversaw the official count of electoral votes on Jan. 6, 2021. The former vice president called Trump’s suggestion “un-American.”
“I had no right to overturn the election. The presidency belongs to the American people, and the American people alone,” Pence said at a Federalist Society event on Friday.
His comments came days after Trump issued a statement saying he believed Pence had the authority to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in Trump's favor.
Pence refused to give in to Trump’s pressure and block the certification of the Electoral College results in January 2021. Pence has indicated that he did not know if he and Trump would “ever see eye to eye on that day.”
Several Republicans on Sunday came to Pence's defense, saying they agreed he had no authority to single-handedly give Trump a second term.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/593028-republicans-back-pence-rebuke-of-trump-on-overturning-2020
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Uh, but that's not what you said. You clearly stated, "All those "alternate electors" selected by Trump". Again, they were not selected by Trump. Those were the electors chosen long beforehand by the State Parties to represent the Republican candidate at the meeting of the Electoral College. I can't speak for the rest of the States, but the electors here in Georgia took it upon themselves to follow through with their responsibility, knowing full well that their own party was complicit in the fraudulent outcome of a statewide election. And without an excess of 100,000 fraudulent absentee ballots, illegal votes, underage votes, out of state votes, harvested ballots, and photocopied ballots, the legitimate results would have rightfully given them their seats.
But then you knew all that already.
Oh,...pardon me. Trump didn't personally select every phony elector. Gee whiz, I sure am sorry for blaming His Orange Holiness for something he might not have done.
Don't you feel the least bit of apprehensive about an "alternate" group of electors who are obviously phony attempting to subvert the certification process?
Do you actually believe something as transparently fraudulent as what they attempted could succeed because some people thought there was a stolen election with no evidence to prove it?
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That's really beautiful and all. But what does that have to do with Trump?
Gee, I don't know...I guess absolutely nothing at all, right?
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Republicans back Pence rebuke of Trump on overturning 2020 election
By Mychael Schnell - 02/06/22 02:03 PM EST
A number of GOP figures on Sunday said they backed former Vice President Mike Pence in his rebuke of former President Trump's claim that he had the authority to overturn the 2020 election results.
Pence made headlines on Friday when he broke from Trump in the clearest terms yet, saying the former president was “wrong” in believing he had the right to overturn the election when he oversaw the official count of electoral votes on Jan. 6, 2021. The former vice president called Trump’s suggestion “un-American.”
“I had no right to overturn the election. The presidency belongs to the American people, and the American people alone,” Pence said at a Federalist Society event on Friday.
His comments came days after Trump issued a statement saying he believed Pence had the authority to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in Trump's favor.
Pence refused to give in to Trump’s pressure and block the certification of the Electoral College results in January 2021. Pence has indicated that he did not know if he and Trump would “ever see eye to eye on that day.”
Several Republicans on Sunday came to Pence's defense, saying they agreed he had no authority to single-handedly give Trump a second term.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/593028-republicans-back-pence-rebuke-of-trump-on-overturning-2020
1. No one ever sid "overturn an election!
2. Would these be the very same "republicans who stabbed president trump in the back at every turn for four long years?
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Don't you feel the least bit of apprehensive about an "alternate" group of electors who are obviously phony attempting to subvert the certification process?
The election was subverted when:
- the Secretary of State ordered drop boxes to litter the Georgia landscape in violation of State law.
- the SoS dropped the photo-id requirement for absentee voter registration.
- absentee ballots were sent, unsolicited, to the address of every registered voter including new voters who had never provided photo ID.
- signature checks on absentee ballots cast were abandoned.
- software changes were made less than 30 days before the election without re-certification.
- ballots were counted without Republican observers present.
- photocopied ballots (without creasing) were included in vote totals
- ballots without chain of custody records were included in the totals
- evidence of ballot harvesting was documented during pre-voting, but the SoS refused the release of video evidence
- repetitive feeding of ballots through the ballot counting machines was recorded by live video, yet those multi-votes were allowed anyway.
- ballots received days after election day were added to the vote totals in violation of State law.
Do you actually believe something as transparently fraudulent as what they attempted could succeed because some people thought there was a stolen election with no evidence to prove it?
No evidence? BWAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA! The evidence is well-documented including release of the drop box video evidence. Not to mention the fact that there are more registered voters in Georgia than there are people eligible to vote. The Georgia 2020 board is chock full of evidence, which I am sure you are already aware. But your Dem talking points continue to spew forth.
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Under what authority did the alternate i.e. phony electors get sent to Washington? None of those phony electors had any legitimacy.
*****rollingeyes***** It's happened before. For instance:
While there’s precedent for dueling sets of electors casting votes in a presidential election, the number of states involved in the action sent the 2020 election into uncharted territory. Democrats successfully executed the same gambit in Hawaii in 1960 by casting an alternative set of votes for John F. Kennedy after the state’s governor certified the electors for Richard Nixon.
Congress ultimately counted the Kennedy electors even though he wasn’t declared the winner in the election until 11 days after Nixon’s electors were certified.
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1. No one ever sid "overturn an election!
2. Would these be the very same "republicans who stabbed president trump in the back at every turn for four long years?
So, you actually believe Pence was stabbing Trump in the back for four years?
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The election was subverted when:
- the Secretary of State ordered drop boxes to litter the Georgia landscape in violation of State law.
- the SoS dropped the photo-id requirement for absentee voter registration.
- absentee ballots were sent, unsolicited, to the address of every registered voter including new voters who had never provided photo ID.
- signature checks on absentee ballots cast were abandoned.
- software changes were made less than 30 days before the election without re-certification.
- ballots were counted without Republican observers present.
- photocopied ballots (without creasing) were included in vote totals
- ballots without chain of custody records were included in the totals
- evidence of ballot harvesting was documented during pre-voting, but the SoS refused the release of video evidence
- repetitive feeding of ballots through the ballot counting machines was recorded by live video, yet those multi-votes were allowed anyway.
- ballots received days after election day were added to the vote totals in violation of State law.
No evidence? BWAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA! The evidence is well-documented including release of the drop box video evidence. Not to mention the fact that there are more registered voters in Georgia than there are people eligible to vote. The Georgia 2020 board is chock full of evidence, which I am sure you are already aware. But your Dem talking points continue to spew forth.
Stop believing the myth of a stolen election. All those things you've mentioned have been discussed, debunked, or concluded didn't affect the election.
You're simply unable to understand that Trump was beaten fairly, squarely, and bigly.
At some point you'll come to terms with Trump losing, and he was the only one trying to steal an election.
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Stop believing the myth of a stolen election. All those things you've mentioned have been discussed, debunked, or concluded didn't affect the election.
You're simply unable to understand that Trump was beaten fairly, squarely, and bigly.
At some point you'll come to terms with Trump losing, and he was the only one trying to steal an election.
What a load of crap. None of this was ever even given a cursory investigation despite mounds of documented evidence. It was dismissed outright.
The evidence keeps coming forth, and you keep ignoring it. You are no one's priest or Personal Jesus and your pontifications carry no weight.
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What a load of crap. None of this was ever even given a cursory investigation despite mounds of documented evidence. It was dismissed outright.
The evidence keeps coming forth, and you keep ignoring it. You are no one's priest or Personal Jesus and your pontifications carry no weight.
Precisely! He has long been one of my two ignore list residents.
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Stop believing the myth of a stolen election.
I just gave you eleven points, all of which have been documented. How many of the eleven need to be ignored before your baseless 'myth' claim is to be accepted?
Stop believing the myth of a stolen election. All those things you've mentioned have been discussed, debunked, or concluded didn't affect the election.
Discussed? Yes. Debunked? Absolutely not. Concluded didn't affect the election? Not on your life.
At some point you'll come to terms with Trump losing, and he was the only one trying to steal an election.
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What a load of crap. None of this was ever even given a cursory investigation despite mounds of documented evidence. It was dismissed outright.
The evidence keeps coming forth, and you keep ignoring it. You are no one's priest or Personal Jesus and your pontifications carry no weight.
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