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Parents of Oxford school shooting suspect Ethan Crumbley charged with involuntary manslaughter
By Lee Brown
December 3, 2021 12:00pm
Ethan Crumbley’s parents have been charged with involuntary manslaughter in connection to the Michigan school shooting allegedly carried out by their 15-year-old son.
The charges for James and Jennifer Crumbley stem from having purchased a gun for the teen in the days ahead of the deadly shooting.
Their son is already being held without bail on murder and terrorism charges over Tuesday’s Oxford High School rampage that left four dead and seven injured in the deadliest US school shooting of the year.
Officials had hinted for days that the parents — who told their son not to talk to investigators — could face charges.
The dad had bought the semi-automatic 9mm Sig Sauer handgun his son allegedly used just four days earlier, on Black Friday, officials previously revealed.
The second-year student then posed with it on social media, which suggested it was “freely available” in the family home before the slaughter, Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald previously said.
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https://nypost.com/2021/12/03/parents-of-oxford-school-shooting-suspect-ethan-crumbley-to-be-charged/
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In this case, I think the charges are justified. Hours before the shooting the parents were called into a meeting because a teacher saw disturbing drawings and writings the boy had made and they just left him at school. I think the first thing any responsible parent would have done was take their clearly disturbed child home and try to figure out what help they could get for him.
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Prosecutor Charges Parents in Michigan School Shooting; Says They Should Have Searched Son’s Bag
Joel B. Pollak 3 Dec 2021
Oakland County, Michigan Prosecutor Karen McDonald announced Friday that the parents of the Oxford High School shooter were being charged with involuntary manslaughter in the deaths of four students earlier this week.
McDonald, a Democrat, said that the parents were culpable because they ought to have known that their son was emotionally disturbed and ought to have prevented him from taking a handgun to school.
McDonald described the events leading up to the shooting, noting that the shooter’s father, James Crumbley, had bought a handgun for his son, and that the shooter’s mother, Jennifer Crumbley, had posted proudly about it on social media.
When their son was caught in school using his cell phone to search for information about ammunition, Mrs. Crumbley allegedly made light of the school’s concerns, telling her son that the lesson of the episode was that he should “learn not to get caught.”
The prosecutor then said that the day before the shooting, a teacher noticed that the shooter had created a drawing with a gun, bloody victims, and messages such as “the thoughts won’t stop, help me.”
The parents were summoned to meet with their son and the principal the next day. There, they were told they had to obtain counseling for their son within 48 hours. According to McDonald, they resisted the idea that their son should be pulled out of school immediately over the disturbing drawing.
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https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2021/12/03/prosecutor-charges-parents-in-michigan-school-shooting-says-they-should-have-searched-sons-bag-shooter/
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Michigan manhunt underway for school shooting suspect Ethan Crumbley's parents after charges announced
A statewide 'Be on the Lookout' (BOLO) alert was issued for James and Jennifer Crumbley Friday
By Audrey Conklin | Fox News
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Michigan authorities are asking the public to be on the lookout for the parents of Oakland High School shooting suspect Ethan Crumbley.
A statewide "Be on the Lookout" (BOLO) alert was issued for James and Jennifer Crumbley Friday, two police departments confirmed to FOX 2 Detroit.
The two parents are each facing four counts of involuntary manslaughter after their 15-year-old son was accused of killing four students after opening fire inside Oakland High School earlier this week., according to Oakland County prosecutor Karen McDonald.
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/michigan-manhunt-ethan-crumbley-parents
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Clearly in the running for "Parents of the Year." *****rollingeyes*****
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This case is just becoming more and more messy.
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The parents are returnung to turn themselves in, per their attorneys.
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The parents are returnung to turn themselves in, per their attorneys.
All mental illness. Their child is innocent. MENTAL.
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I'd like school officials to also be charged.
The day of the shooting, a teacher found a note on Ethan Crumbley's desk that alarmed her so much she took a picture of it on her phone, McDonald said. The note included a drawing of a semiautomatic handgun pointing at the words, "The thoughts won't stop. Help me," she said.
James and Jennifer Crumbley were "immediately summoned to the school," McDonald said. A counselor met with the parents and the boy, who had altered the drawing by scratching out the drawings of the gun and bloody figure, along with the words, according to McDonald.
The parents were told to get their son into counseling within 48 hours, McDonald said. Neither parent asked their son to see the gun or "inspect his backpack for the presence of the gun which he had with him," according to McDonald.
The parents left school and the boy was sent back to class.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/03/us/michigan-oxford-high-school-shooting-superintendent-message/index.html
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Why didn't the school officials suspend the boy and send him home with his parents .... why did they return him to class? Why didn't the school officials inspect the backpack?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1466888010067329034
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https://mobile.twitter.com/BrianEntin/status/1466873632114753549
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https://mobile.twitter.com/i/events/1465770411447050244
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Detroit police arrest James and Jennifer Crumbley after vehicle is found
David Komer | December 3, 2021 9:29PM | Updated 10:54PM
DETROIT (FOX 2) - UPDATE: Both parents have been arrested by Detroit police in the 1000 block of Bellevue Street in Detroit just before 2 a.m. Saturday.
https://www.q13fox.com/news/detroit-police-conducting-search-for-james-and-jennifer-crumbley
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Arrest video shows dazed parents of Michigan school shooting suspect
Eileen AJ Connelly | December 4, 2021 | 9:01am
The parents of the Michigan teen accused of opening fire on his high school earlier this week appeared dazed and a bit disheveled when they were arrested.
Jennifer and James Crumbley were found inside a commercial building about 50 miles away from their Oxford, Michigan, home early Saturday, after a tip from the building’s owner, who saw their SUV there, the Detroit Free Press reported.
The couple dodged authorities for hours after they were expected to turn themselves in.
They are charged with involuntary manslaughter . . .
VIDEO (https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/12/04/james-and-jennifer-crumbley-arrest-michigan-shooting-newday-vpx.cnn)
https://nypost.com/2021/12/04/arrest-video-shows-ethan-crumbleys-parents-dazed/
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Prosecutors making up nonexistent law to charge Michigan shooter’s parents: Andrew McCarthy
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https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/12/04/prosecutors-making-up-nonexistent-law-to-charge-michigan-shooters-parents-andrew-mccarthy-1171325/
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McCarthy added, “and the state of Michigan has considered a number of times enacting a law, this child access prevention law that many states have adopted which would make criminal what happened here which was the that the parents allowed the child to get access to the weapon the state of Michigan has decided not to enact that law.”
He continued, saying, “and you can argue that that’s a good thing or a bad thing but the fact is it’s a thing and it’s up to the legislature to make the criminal law so what happened here is they don’t have a law to prosecute what the parents did even though the legislature’s considered it and not enacted it.”
“So at a time when everybody’s hot and emotions are raw, prosecutors are creating a crime on the fly to attach to these parents and if you think about it, doesn’t make much more sense to accuse them of complicity in murder as opposed to the reprehensible negligence that they engaged in than it makes to accuse the school officials of murder,” he said.
McCarthy makes a valid point. The State of Michigan had the opportunity to make their act (or non-act) criminal, but chose not to.
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Michigan couple pleads not guilty to involuntary manslaughter charges in school shooting
By Brad Dress - 12/04/21 10:03 AM EST
The parents of a Michigan student who is accused of killing four classmates and wounding seven others during a mass shooting at Oxford High School on Tuesday pled not guilty to four counts of involuntary manslaughter charges.
James and Jennifer Crumbley appeared for an arraignment at an Oakland court Saturday morning after they were apprehended by police in Detroit and detained in the Oakland County Jail.
Prosecutors charged the couple with involuntary manslaughter after it was revealed that their 15-year-old son took the 9 mm semi-automatic handgun he used in the mass shooting from their home.
The bond for each individual was set at $500,000, and the Crumbleys were ordered to turn in any firearms they have.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/584337-michigan-couple-plead-not-guilty-to-involuntary-manslaughter-charges
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HOW...can they charge the 15 year old....as an ADULT.....then go after the parents? ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
The same as one of your children does a crime as adult...yet, they go after...you!
Then all the thugs parents, need to be arrested too! Browns, Floyds, Smoletts, Martins, Ahmands.
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This is happening all over the country: Watters
Dec 4, 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8HcukWuw_Y
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Michigan couple pleads not guilty to involuntary manslaughter charges in school shooting
By Brad Dress - 12/04/21 10:03 AM EST
The parents of a Michigan student who is accused of killing four classmates and wounding seven others during a mass shooting at Oxford High School on Tuesday pled not guilty to four counts of involuntary manslaughter charges.
James and Jennifer Crumbley appeared for an arraignment at an Oakland court Saturday morning after they were apprehended by police in Detroit and detained in the Oakland County Jail.
Prosecutors charged the couple with involuntary manslaughter after it was revealed that their 15-year-old son took the 9 mm semi-automatic handgun he used in the mass shooting from their home.
The bond for each individual was set at $500,000, and the Crumbleys were ordered to turn in any firearms they have.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/584337-michigan-couple-plead-not-guilty-to-involuntary-manslaughter-charges
Emotions are high but I think they are over charging the parents since as I understand it Michigan has no law requiring that firearms in a home be secured and locked. Also their argument that they should have known their child was having mental issues? There are maybe millions of parents that have no clue as to what is really going on with their kids. If the parents are culpable than so are the principal and others at the school for not taking greater action when the boys drawing was found. That drawing is actually a red flag and seems the school to ok less action than other schools did with kids for just drawing a gun or eating a pop tart which in the process looked vaguely gun shaped.
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. Also their argument that they should have known their child was having mental issues? There are maybe millions of parents that have no clue as to what is really going on with their kids.
But these parents did know what was going on. They were called in for a meeting with school officials the same morning as the shooting to discuss their son's behavior.
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Sheriff: Police looking to charge person who allegedly helped hide parents of suspected school shooter
Police are looking to charge a person who assisted in hiding the parents of the suspected Michigan school shooter.
James and Jennifer Crumbley were arrested inside a Detroit art studio at 1:30 a.m. on Saturday morning, Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard told reporters at a press conference later that day. A witness called the police after seeing their car parked outside, he said, adding that someone had let them into the building.
"We believe they were assisted in that location to get there, to get in," Bouchard said, saying the prosecutors could charge the individual who allegedly assisted them with aiding and abetting or obstruction of justice.
Jennifer and James Crumbley reportedly fled on Friday before they were arrested by police. Defense attorneys for the couple have argued they were going to turn themselves in before the arraignment.
Bouchard said some communication that the parents were going to turn themselves in was received, but that police "don't wait for that."
"When we have serious charges like felonies, you can turn yourself in ... but we're going to go look for you immediately," he said. "To us that's irrelevant, we're looking for them. If they show up, fine. But we're not going to sit on the front desk and tap our fingers until they come in."
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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/584369-michigan-sheriff-says-parents-of-school-shooter-were-found-in-art-studio
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But these parents did know what was going on. They were called in for a meeting with school officials the same morning as the shooting to discuss their son's behavior.
And told to get the child counseling within 48 hrs. by the school, that tells me that the school was not as concerned in that meeting with parents as they are making out now after the killings. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not excusing the parents, the parents bear some responsibility in that they didn't have more control of the weapons in their home, I just don't see involuntary manslaughter as a realistic charge.
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But these parents did know what was going on. They were called in for a meeting with school officials the same morning as the shooting to discuss their son's behavior.
The school knew, too. But they sent the kid back to class.
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This case is just becoming more and more messy.
And has already gotten 10X more press coverage than the Christmas Parade massacre.
MSM in action.
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All mental illness. Their child is innocent. MENTAL.
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Hmm............so this scumbag kills 4 classmates, yet he's innocent???
Whoda thunk it???
Wow, you sure know lotsa stuff about mental illness!!!!
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Charles Manson was mentally ill, yet he spent a very long time in prison. Don't recall seeing his parents charged with manslaughter though.
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The parents need to, NOT BE CHARGED. Any thug, that does his evil, their parents are NOT PROSECUTED. People need to get smart. They already blame the white, male for everything. You just pile on.
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Hmm............so this scumbag kills 4 classmates, yet he's innocent???
Whoda thunk it???
Wow, you sure know lotsa stuff about mental illness!!!!
Just playing YOUR LEFTIST GAMES. Why not? Yes, I know about mental illness. I studied human behaviors for over 35 years. I can tell, you have a problem. George Floyd was innocent. The black school shooter, before this, was 'innocent".
The 'RED SUV' guy is INNOCENT. You really don't get anything. The guy below, got off and his parents had a party for him.
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TEXAS SCHOOL SHOOTER WASN'T BULLIED IT WAS A BIG LIE
708,515 viewsOct 23, 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqert8UmW1Q
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Just playing YOUR LEFTIST GAMES. Why not? Yes, I know about mental illness. I studied human behaviors for over 35 years. I can tell, you have a problem. George Floyd was innocent. The black school shooter, before this, was 'innocent".
The 'RED SUV' guy is INNOCENT. You really don't get anything. The guy below, got off and his parents had a party for him.
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TEXAS SCHOOL SHOOTER WASN'T BULLIED IT WAS A BIG LIE
708,515 viewsOct 23, 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqert8UmW1Q
Then you should clarify what you meant by your statement that this kid is innocent. If you meant it as sarcasm, then don’t forget to use the sarcasm tag so we know what you meant
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The parents need to, NOT BE CHARGED. Any thug, that does his evil, their parents are NOT PROSECUTED. People need to get smart. They already blame the white, male for everything. You just pile on.
Are you seriously insinuating that the reason the parents shouldn't be charged is because their son is a white male?
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Prosecutor Lays Out Horrific and Disturbing Timeline Explaining Why Alleged Michigan School Shooter’s Parents Were Charged
December 3, 2021 The parents of Ethan Crumbley, the alleged shooter at Oxford High School in Michigan, have both been charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter.
The Prosecutor on Friday said he wanted to make sure he was very clear on why they were charging the parents of the shooter. ...
On November 30, the day of the shooting, Ethan Crumbley’s teacher came across a note that “alarmed her to the point that she took a picture of it on her cell phone,” the prosecutor said.
The note contained “a drawing of a semiautomatic handgun pointing at the words ‘the thoughts won’t stop help me,’” and it included a drawing of a bullet with “blood everywhere” written above it, McDonald said.
“Between the drawing of the gun and the bullet is a drawing of a person who appears to have been shot twice and bleeding. Below that figure is a drawing of a laughing emoji,” McDonald said.
The note also had “my life is useless” and “the world is dead” scrawled on it, she said.
The parents were called to the school right away. A school counselor took Ethan Crumbley and his backpack to the office. By then, the drawing had been altered: The gun drawing, the bloody figure and the words “help me,” “My life is useless,” “The world is dead” and “blood everywhere” had been scratched out.
The parents were shown the drawing and told they must get counseling for their son within 48 hours, McDonald said.
The parents did not ask where the gun was and didn’t inspect his backpack for it, which he had with him, she said.
The parents “resisted” the idea of taking their son out of school, and they left without him. He returned to the classroom, McDonald said. ...
DC Patriot (https://thedcpatriot.com/prosecutor-lays-out-horrific-and-disturbing-timeline-explaining-why-alleged-michigan-school-shooters-parents-were-charged/)
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Prosecutor Lays Out Horrific and Disturbing Timeline Explaining Why Alleged Michigan School Shooter’s Parents Were Charged
December 3, 2021 DC Patriot (https://thedcpatriot.com/prosecutor-lays-out-horrific-and-disturbing-timeline-explaining-why-alleged-michigan-school-shooters-parents-were-charged/)
And yet not a word about the so concerned school taking their own appropriate action, having the police called and the student removed from campus when the parents didn't act. There is culpability of the school as well as the parents but no one seems to be talking about the school officials, as if their due diligence in providing a safe environment for their students stopped when those parents walked out the door.
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There is culpability of the school as well as the parents but no one seems to be talking about the school officials, as if their due diligence in providing a safe environment for their students
Well, they're Democrats, so . . .
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School officials could be charged in deadly Michigan shooting: prosecutor
By Lee Brown
December 6, 2021 10:45am
Michigan school officials could still be charged for ignoring multiple red flags ahead of the deadly mass shooting at Oxford High School, the local prosecutor warned in a new interview.
Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald had already lashed out at how “angry” she was at Ethan Crumbley, 15, being allowed to remain in class before he allegedly killed four classmates in the deadliest school shooting of the year.
Asked Monday on NBC’s “Today” show if it was “possible that school officials could face charges,” McDonald conceded, “It’s possible, yes.”
The prosecutor — who earlier confirmed that the investigation was ongoing — did not elaborate further, or give an expected timeline on a decision.
The warning came as Oxford Community Schools Superintendent Tim Throne said he had ordered “a third-party investigation” into the handling of the red flags to ensure “we leave no stone unturned.”
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https://nypost.com/2021/12/06/school-officials-could-be-charged-in-michigan-shooting/
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Why didn't the school suspend the student until a mental health professional certified he posed no risk? (They told the parents they had 48 hours to get him into therapy)
Why didn't the school officials check his backpack and locker for a weapon? If they couldn't legally do it, I'm sure the police would have been happy to help.
The school officials SENT HIM BACK TO CLASS.
The kid is crying out for someone to stop him and neither his parents nor the school officials even try.
How do we ever reconcile this??
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I find it hard to believe that the day of the shooting was the first time this kid exhibited disturbing behaviors.
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And told to get the child counseling within 48 hrs. by the school, that tells me that the school was not as concerned in that meeting with parents as they are making out now after the killings. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not excusing the parents, the parents bear some responsibility in that they didn't have more control of the weapons in their home, I just don't see involuntary manslaughter as a realistic charge.
My issue is that they purchased the firearm for him and did not do anything to make sure that it was secured. Common sense says that if you have a minor child in the house you need to restrict access, especially if you have been called to the school for a conference about behavior. I am willing to bet that this was not the first time a conversation like this occured.
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You cannot convince me that these parents - and the school officials - didn't have a clue before the date of the shooting that this kid was a freakin' whackjob. They're all culpable - but especially the parents.
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And yet not a word about the so concerned school taking their own appropriate action, having the police called and the student removed from campus when the parents didn't act. There is culpability of the school as well as the parents but no one seems to be talking about the school officials, as if their due diligence in providing a safe environment for their students stopped when those parents walked out the door.
:thumbsup:
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You cannot convince me that these parents - and the school officials - didn't have a clue before the date of the shooting that this kid was a freakin' whackjob. They're all culpable - but especially the parents.
Agreed.
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You cannot convince me that these parents - and the school officials - didn't have a clue before the date of the shooting that this kid was a freakin' whackjob. They're all culpable - but especially the parents.
Their child is schizophrenic. He hears voices. He asked his parents to make those stop. The parents are no better.
Genetics. Yes, school knew. Schools are just as wacky. Parents have no clue, being themselves mental.
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Just playing YOUR LEFTIST GAMES. Why not? Yes, I know about mental illness. I studied human behaviors for over 35 years. I can tell, you have a problem. George Floyd was innocent. The black school shooter, before this, was 'innocent".
The 'RED SUV' guy is INNOCENT. You really don't get anything. The guy below, got off and his parents had a party for him.
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TEXAS SCHOOL SHOOTER WASN'T BULLIED IT WAS A BIG LIE
708,515 viewsOct 23, 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqert8UmW1Q
His parents aren't being charged with anything....and he got off!
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About time they start talking about the school administrators. I'm not a fan of schools overreacting but if there ever was a time for them to step in, take possession of the kids backpack and contact the police and have the kid taken into custody for evaluation this was it.
Like I have been saying, what happened that day involves culpability of more than just the parents.
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Why didn't the school suspend the student until a mental health professional certified he posed no risk? (They told the parents they had 48 hours to get him into therapy)
Why didn't the school officials check his backpack and locker for a weapon? If they couldn't legally do it, I'm sure the police would have been happy to help.
The school officials SENT HIM BACK TO CLASS.
The kid is crying out for someone to stop him and neither his parents nor the school officials even try.
How do we ever reconcile this??
Yes. He told them he 'heard voices in his head' and begged them to make it stop. He is schizophrenic. I say the parents have mental issues too. Then we know demon-rat schools are ALL INSANE. Boys is girls bathrooms. How would they 'know' something is wrong? SNARK. lol
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High School Mass Shooter May Set New Legal Precedent: Court Rules Parents of Shooter Could Face Manslaughter Trial
By Elizabeth Allen
Published October 3, 2023 at 6:13pm
In the aftermath of the tragic shooting at Oxford High School, where 15-year-old Ethan Crumbley took the lives of four of his classmates in November 2021, a pivotal legal decision looms over his parents.
The Michigan Supreme Court announced on Tuesday that they had declined an appeal from James and Jennifer Crumbley, thus endorsing a prior decision that the couple could potentially stand trial for involuntary manslaughter charges.
The Supreme Court declined the Crumbley’s appeal, stating that judges “are not persuaded that the question presented should be reviewed by this Court.”
This move has set a potential precedent as parents’ accountability in their children’s crimes becomes more widely discussed in the wake of multiple school mass shootings.
https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/high-school-mass-shooter-may-set-new-legal-precedent-court-rules-parents-shooter-face-manslaughter-trial
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Would they have ruled the same way of the shooter had been a minority? My guess is no.
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:shrug:
I do know I'm tired of new school shooting ever week.
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Whatever happened to charging the offender?
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I'm pretty sure that's unconstitutional at least, looking back at English Common Law, with the prohibitions against "ancestral sins."
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Would they have ruled the same way of the shooter had been a minority? My guess is no.
There are multiple mass shootings every week perpetrated by minorities. I read the daily news from a number of major American cities regularly.
If they started charging the parents of many mass shooters, the race card would be used be very quickly.
The facts are there are evil people who do evil things. I seriously doubt the parents of the kid in the Oxford shooting wanted him to go out and kill people.
Charging the parents of killers with crimes will open up a can of worms that will most likely be unconstitutional.
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Why the sentence imposed on Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley is significant
CNN
6:41 PM EST Dec 9, 2023
More than two years after Michigan’s deadliest school shooting, a judge imposed a historic sentence – and the harshest possible penalty – for the teenage gunman.
Oakland County Circuit Court Judge Kwamé Rowe sentenced Ethan Crumbley, 17, on Friday to life in prison without the possibility of parole for the November 2021 shooting that left four students dead at Oxford High School. Six other students and a teacher were also wounded in the attack.
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It’s a punishment that has become both rare and a point of contention over concerns about sentencing a minor to die in a cell before they reach full maturity.
Crumbley, who was 15 at the time of the shooting, became the first minor to receive an original sentence of life without the possibility of parole in more than a decade since the U.S. Supreme Court in 2012 banned mandatory life sentences for juveniles and ruled courts should consider the circumstances of each defendant and their maturity before such punishments are handed down. ...
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Why the sentence imposed on Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley is significant
CNN
6:41 PM EST Dec 9, 2023
More than two years after Michigan’s deadliest school shooting, a judge imposed a historic sentence – and the harshest possible penalty – for the teenage gunman.
Oakland County Circuit Court Judge Kwamé Rowe sentenced Ethan Crumbley, 17, on Friday to life in prison without the possibility of parole for the November 2021 shooting that left four students dead at Oxford High School. Six other students and a teacher were also wounded in the attack.
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It’s a punishment that has become both rare and a point of contention over concerns about sentencing a minor to die in a cell before they reach full maturity.
Crumbley, who was 15 at the time of the shooting, became the first minor to receive an original sentence of life without the possibility of parole in more than a decade since the U.S. Supreme Court in 2012 banned mandatory life sentences for juveniles and ruled courts should consider the circumstances of each defendant and their maturity before such punishments are handed down. ...
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@mountaineer
Ok,so where is the report about his parents being charged with involuntary manslaughter for what their son did?
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Ok,so where is the report about his parents being charged with involuntary manslaughter for what their son did?
I don't know what became of that.
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@mountaineer
Ok,so where is the report about his parents being charged with involuntary manslaughter for what their son did?
When a child commits a mass shooting, are parents to blame?
BBC By Madeline Halpert 12/8/2023
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67571551 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67571551)
But the case has raised questions about who else can be held accountable for a mass shooting when a child pulls the trigger. It was Crumbley's parents who gifted him the weapon he used just days before the attack, and they also attempted to flee after being charged with involuntary manslaughter.
James and Jennifer Crumbley have pleaded not guilty and will face two separate trials in 2024. It marks the first time parents will face manslaughter charges - punishable by up to 15 years in prison - for their child's role in a mass school shooting, experts told the BBC.
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When a child commits a mass shooting, are parents to blame?
BBC By Madeline Halpert 12/8/2023
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67571551 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67571551)
@Elderberry
I can see them being charged with negligence,but nothing more serious.
I REALLY hope some hotshot law firm steps up to the plate on this one,and gets those charges dropped.
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@Elderberry
I can see them being charged with negligence,but nothing more serious.
I REALLY hope some hotshot law firm steps up to the plate on this one,and gets those charges dropped.
Yes, maybe negligence. But if they start charging the parents of every murderer or violent offender in the U.S., there will be a lot of innocent people tossed into the clink because their child was a very bad egg.
It can't be constitutional. I seriously doubt Jeffrey Dahmer's parents prepared him for a career as a killer cannibal.
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Yes, maybe negligence. But if they start charging the parents of every murderer or violent offender in the U.S., there will be a lot of innocent people tossed into the clink because their child was a very bad egg.
It can't be constitutional. I seriously doubt Jeffrey Dahmer's parents prepared him for a career as a killer cannibal.
@goatprairie
Well,the good news here FOR THE TIME BEING is that is allowed to happen in England.
Which means the 'murikan left is eaten alive with envy and sure to try to get laws passed making that legal in the US.
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@Elderberry
I can see them being charged with negligence,but nothing more serious.
I REALLY hope some hotshot law firm steps up to the plate on this one,and gets those charges dropped.
I depends on the circumstance. If you have a child that has a history of being abusive to animals, smaller children, etc.... and you knowingly supply him with a weapon than you are clearly contributing. Think of it this way if you have a relative that you know is a pyromaniac and you give him matches and gasoline as a Christmas present, you can't be surprised when it burns down the house.
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I depends on the circumstance. If you have a child that has a history of being abusive to animals, smaller children, etc.... and you knowingly supply him with a weapon than you are clearly contributing. Think of it this way if you have a relative that you know is a pyromaniac and you give him matches and gasoline as a Christmas present, you can't be surprised when it burns down the house.
@verga
I agree,but my post was based on what has been reported.
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Feb. 6, 2024 UPDATE
Mom of Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley convicted of manslaughter in son’s rampage
By Social Links for Isabel Keane
Published Feb. 6, 2024, 1:30 p.m. ET
New York Post (https://nypost.com/2024/02/06/news/verdict-reached-against-michigan-school-shooters-mother/)Jennifer Crumbley was found guilty of four counts of manslaughter Tuesday — the first parent in the US to be charged over a mass school shooting committed by their child.
Marketing Director Crumbley, 45, was convicted over her role in the Nov. 30, 2021 mass shooting carried out by her son, Ethan Crumbley, at Oxford High School which left four students dead alongside six others and a teacher wounded.
The 12-person jury, made up of six men and six women, reached their decision in Oxford, Michigan on Tuesday after 10 hours of weighing the case. ...
James Crumbley, Ethan’s father, will be tried on the same charges separately at a later date. ...
Prosecutors say Crumbley made a gun accessible to her son, ignored his mental health struggles and declined to take him home when confronted with his violent drawings at school on the day of the shooting. ...
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This verdict could send jurisprudence in a bad direction.
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I wasn't on the jury and didn't hear what they did....but on the surface this decision this could be a very damaging precedent.
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This verdict could send jurisprudence in a bad direction.
@rustynail
I agree.
I think it is "A bridge too far".
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I depends on the circumstance. If you have a child that has a history of being abusive to animals, smaller children, etc.... and you knowingly supply him with a weapon than you are clearly contributing. Think of it this way if you have a relative that you know is a pyromaniac and you give him matches and gasoline as a Christmas present, you can't be surprised when it burns down the house.
Agreed.
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I depends on the circumstance. If you have a child that has a history of being abusive to animals, smaller children, etc.... and you knowingly supply him with a weapon than you are clearly contributing. Think of it this way if you have a relative that you know is a pyromaniac and you give him matches and gasoline as a Christmas present, you can't be surprised when it burns down the house.
Yabbut...If you give them bottles, an umbrella, and gasoline, fill their heads with Leftist mush (or allow it), and point them to the local Precinct, no one will come after you.
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Precedent setting....
Don't laugh at this example. but.... 16 y.o. kills a family in a car wreck, and the parents are convicted because somehow the kid got into the liquor cabinet. or even more extreme. Cause of wreck was determined to be child's inadequate driving skills, and parents are convicted for not adequately training their child to drive.
This could be a slippery slope.
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Precedent setting....
Don't laugh at this example. but.... 16 y.o. kills a family in a car wreck, and the parents are convicted because somehow the kid got into the liquor cabinet. or even more extreme. Cause of wreck was determined to be child's inadequate driving skills, and parents are convicted for not adequately training their child to drive.
This could be a slippery slope.
27+ years of teaching high school students in Rural, suburban, and urban schools in three states. 90%+ When you meet the parents you know exactly why the kid is the way they are, and that is good and bad. 3 years ago I had a kid as a freshman, complete jerk. Constantly getting into trouble in and out of school, but he is what we call Ag Royalty, so everything got swept under the rug with Daddy's money. Last year he had a picture taken of him holding a sign that said "If I was BXXXK I would pick cotton, but I am white so I pick you to go to Homecoming." He took the picture at our school and at the Career and Technical center. He published it on Social Media and it went viral. He got suspended for 10 days and had to homeschool the ret of the year. He could still attend the Career and Technical Center, until he got caught Vaping in the building. Then to top it off right before the prom his underage @$$ got caught drinking and driving with his underage female cousin in the car. One of our administrators commented to me about it and my response was that this does not happen in a vacuum. Daddy drinks to much and is a racist, IO am just surprised it took this long.
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Precedent setting....
Don't laugh at this example. but.... 16 y.o. kills a family in a car wreck, and the parents are convicted because somehow the kid got into the liquor cabinet. or even more extreme. Cause of wreck was determined to be child's inadequate driving skills, and parents are convicted for not adequately training their child to drive.
This could be a slippery slope.
@catfish1957
COULD be a slippery slope?????
Personal Injury lawyers all over the country are having spontaneous orgasms.