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Title: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: mystery-ak on July 13, 2021, 06:48:34 pm
AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona

Allum Bokhari 13 Jul 2021

Recently-announced Arizona GOP Senate primary candidate Blake Masters, who is president of the Thiel Foundation, joined SiriusXM’s Breitbart News Daily with Alex Marlow this morning to discuss his bid to oust Sen. Mark Kelly (D-AZ).

“I’m tossing my hat in the ring so we can take the seat back from the Democrats and from Mark Kelly,” said Masters, who added that he did not believe Arizonan voters genuinely want Democrat representation.

“Once we lost this Senate seat, two Senate seats in a matter of three years, I knew that wasn’t right, that didn’t represent where Arizonans were actually at.”

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https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/07/13/az-candidate-blake-masters-conservatives-cant-take-the-senate-without-taking-back-arizona/
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Hoodat on July 13, 2021, 07:37:05 pm
Conservatives can't take the Senate with the GOP standing in their way.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 13, 2021, 08:05:19 pm
I don't know a thing about Masters.  Reading what little I have, he appears to be a Country Club Republican.  No Sale.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: HikerGuy83 on July 13, 2021, 11:21:05 pm
I don't know a thing about Masters.  Reading what little I have, he appears to be a Country Club Republican.  No Sale.

Better than Kelly ?

I want a good conservative too.

But I'll take anything I can get to neuter Biden.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: roamer_1 on July 13, 2021, 11:27:51 pm
Better than Kelly ?

I want a good conservative too.

But I'll take anything I can get to neuter Biden.

NO! Stop it! Allowing a RINO will ensconce him in there for a generation.
That is EXACTLY why Republicans can't get anything done. They keep voting for RINOs in fear of the Democrats and wind up giving all their power to the Moderate Wing. NOTHING will change until you pry the levers of power away from those Moderate sonsabiches and hand them to Conservatives.

The ONLY thing that will fix this is enough Conservatives, and part of that enough is Murder Turtle and his ilk forced to step down. State Houses and Federal alike.

THEN, and ONLY THEN, can you effectively take on the Democrats.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: libertybele on July 13, 2021, 11:49:12 pm
NO! Stop it! Allowing a RINO will ensconce him in there for a generation.
That is EXACTLY why Republicans can't get anything done. They keep voting for RINOs in fear of the Democrats and wind up giving all their power to the Moderate Wing. NOTHING will change until you pry the levers of power away from those Moderate sonsabiches and hand them to Conservatives.

The ONLY thing that will fix this is enough Conservatives, and part of that enough is Murder Turtle and his ilk forced to step down. State Houses and Federal alike.

THEN, and ONLY THEN, can you effectively take on the Democrats.

 :thumbsup:    :amen:
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 14, 2021, 12:30:06 am
Better than Kelly ?

I want a good conservative too.

But I'll take anything I can get to neuter Biden.

I refuse to vote for more of the same, and that's that.  As an Executive of the AZGOP. I intend to make them suffer if I have to.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 14, 2021, 12:32:03 am
NO! Stop it! Allowing a RINO will ensconce him in there for a generation.
That is EXACTLY why Republicans can't get anything done. They keep voting for RINOs in fear of the Democrats and wind up giving all their power to the Moderate Wing. NOTHING will change until you pry the levers of power away from those Moderate sonsabiches and hand them to Conservatives.

The ONLY thing that will fix this is enough Conservatives, and part of that enough is Murder Turtle and his ilk forced to step down. State Houses and Federal alike.

THEN, and ONLY THEN, can you effectively take on the Democrats.

Sing it loud and strong, Brother Roamer.  There is no daylight between you and me on that subject.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2021, 12:37:58 am
Sing it loud and strong, Brother Roamer.  There is no daylight between you and me on that subject.

I don't find much difference between you and me generally @Cyber Liberty  :beer:

Other than that Tumpy thing...  :laugh:
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2021, 12:39:34 am
I refuse to vote for more of the same, and that's that.  As an Executive of the AZGOP. I intend to make them suffer if I have to.

How do you say that? Azzgop? Maybe a hyphen...  :laugh:

Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 14, 2021, 12:45:26 am
How do you say that? Azzgop? Maybe a hyphen...  :laugh:

The Executives have already seen me be a pain in the ass....at my very first meeting.  A minor issue, but they noted it.  That rat-bastard from Gila County is my mark right now.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2021, 12:51:30 am
The Executives have already seen me be a pain in the ass....at my very first meeting.  A minor issue, but they noted it.  That rat-bastard from Gila County is my mark right now.

That's the ticket. You put on your AZhole hat, and don't back up one bit. Call em on their duty. Make them jealous of their power. Remind them of the very principles they rely upon.

You ain't gonna get nothing done with tickling.

Sic Em!

 888high58888
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 14, 2021, 12:54:50 am
That's the ticket. You put on your AZhole hat, and don't back up one bit. Call em on their duty. Make them jealous of their power. Remind them of the very principles they rely upon.

You ain't gonna get nothing done with tickling.

Sic Em!

 888high58888

The next Executive meeting will be in Coconino County.  And AZ GOP Chairman Kelli Ward knows her Vice Chairman (She's one of my Precinct Committeemen) is loaded for bear.  I am a quick study.

I am so pissed.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2021, 12:59:46 am
The next Executive meeting will be in Coconino County.  And AZ GOP Chairman Kelli Ward knows her Vice Chairman (She's one of my Precinct Committeemen) is loaded for bear.  I am a quick study.

I am so pissed.

Good.

For me, the whole thing is riding on that audit... And heads need to roll if that proves out.

Any real news on that from the pipeline? Y'all are keeping the cards close to the chest... which can only mean two things. I am looking at the river, the pot, and the call, and y'all either have a pat hand or a bluff.  :shrug:
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 14, 2021, 01:17:29 am
Good.

For me, the whole thing is riding on that audit... And heads need to roll if that proves out.

Any real news on that from the pipeline? Y'all are keeping the cards close to the chest... which can only mean two things. I am looking at the river, the pot, and the call, and y'all either have a pat hand or a bluff.  :shrug:

A "sign" from the AZ Senate:  They ordered an aggregate count of the ballots recently.  It's just a count of the total ballots.  They would not be doing that if the count of the total number of ballots equaled the total count coming out of the original counting back in November.  I think it's off by thousands of ballots.

That represents a problem for the "fair and square" crowd.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Wingnut on July 14, 2021, 01:19:44 am
Black Masters seems to be an also ran.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 14, 2021, 01:26:18 am
Black Masters seems to be an also ran.

I'm looking forward to watching this one corkscrew his plane into the ground.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2021, 01:28:22 am
A "sign" from the AZ Senate:  They ordered an aggregate count of the ballots recently.  It's just a count of the total ballots.  They would not be doing that if the count of the total number of ballots equaled the total count coming out of the original counting back in November.  I think it's off by thousands of ballots.

That represents a problem for the "fair and square" crowd.

Yeah, I saw that... Looking to count them themselves indicates a discrepancy between the election and the audit I suppose. And I would surmise, the weight of it is enough to matter - more than needed to reverse the win.

But that is hope, speculation, and unicorn farts until the ding dang report finally gets penned.
Though I take it the legislature got a peek.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 14, 2021, 02:24:17 am
Yeah, I saw that... Looking to count them themselves indicates a discrepancy between the election and the audit I suppose. And I would surmise, the weight of it is enough to matter - more than needed to reverse the win.

But that is hope, speculation, and unicorn farts until the ding dang report finally gets penned.
Though I take it the legislature got a peek.

Senate President Karen Fann and Whip Sonny Borrelli probably did, but that's about it.  I didn't get a chance to ask Sonny at the meeting we had Saturday.  He was busy teasing me for misspelling his name on the PowerPoint.   :silly:

Here's a bit of a quick rundown of State Politics.  The AZ GOP Chairman, Kelli Ward, lives in Mohave County.  Sonny Borrelli is the Senate Majority Whip from Kelli's city, Lake Havasu.  The Majority Whip in the Legislature (lower house) is one Leo Biasiucci.  Guess from where?  That's right.  Backwater Mohave County.  And I live in a backwater city in that County.

And our Congressman is Paul Gosar.  Next door, the Congressman is Andy Biggs.

Can you imagine any of these folks knuckling under?
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2021, 04:59:22 am
Can you imagine any of these folks knuckling under?

Don't know any of em but you... But if they are Conservatives, they won't move an inch on principle. And that is to be hoped for more than anything else.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: HikerGuy83 on July 14, 2021, 03:12:54 pm
NO! Stop it! Allowing a RINO will ensconce him in there for a generation.
That is EXACTLY why Republicans can't get anything done. They keep voting for RINOs in fear of the Democrats and wind up giving all their power to the Moderate Wing. NOTHING will change until you pry the levers of power away from those Moderate sonsabiches and hand them to Conservatives.

The ONLY thing that will fix this is enough Conservatives, and part of that enough is Murder Turtle and his ilk forced to step down. State Houses and Federal alike.

THEN, and ONLY THEN, can you effectively take on the Democrats.

Yes, I've heard this before and watched the GOP (and conservatives) squander seat after seat after seat.  Take a look at Georgia and  tell me how that is working out for you.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: HikerGuy83 on July 14, 2021, 03:16:14 pm
I refuse to vote for more of the same, and that's that.  As an Executive of the AZGOP. I intend to make them suffer if I have to.

Terrific.

And take the rest of us down too.

Spare me the retort (if you don't like it...run).  I plan on getting engaged as soon as I can (not running, but working on campaigns).

As near as I can tell, AZ conservatives haven't don't jack crap grooming people to step up.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: HikerGuy83 on July 14, 2021, 03:17:28 pm
:thumbsup:    :amen:

Senator Kelly.....

Senator Sinema.......

Get used to those titles.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2021, 03:29:57 pm
Yes, I've heard this before and watched the GOP (and conservatives) squander seat after seat after seat.  Take a look at Georgia and  tell me how that is working out for you.

NONE of it is 'working' for me - which is why I haven't been a Republican since 07... Refusing to support it for any reason. And with no obligation to act like y'all, I vote only for Conservatives, dyed in the wool. I will compromise no more.

I will no no longer participate in their feckless 'defense', squandering what Yah has given us. You want my vote? Raise up Conservatives (REAL ones), or STFU.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 14, 2021, 04:35:49 pm
Terrific.

And take the rest of us down too.

Spare me the retort (if you don't like it...run).  I plan on getting engaged as soon as I can (not running, but working on campaigns).

As near as I can tell, AZ conservatives haven't don't jack crap grooming people to step up.

Still reading AZCentral are we? 
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Hoodat on July 14, 2021, 05:58:29 pm
The Executives have already seen me be a pain in the ass....at my very first meeting.  A minor issue, but they noted it.

It's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 14, 2021, 06:29:59 pm
It's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.

I'm hoping they'll offer me a Million Dollars to shut up.  yogi555
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: HikerGuy83 on July 14, 2021, 06:51:39 pm
NONE of it is 'working' for me - which is why I haven't been a Republican since 07... Refusing to support it for any reason. And with no obligation to act like y'all, I vote only for Conservatives, dyed in the wool. I will compromise no more.

I will no no longer participate in their feckless 'defense', squandering what Yah has given us. You want my vote? Raise up Conservatives (REAL ones), or STFU.


Why is it up to me to "raise" anything.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2021, 11:46:58 pm
Why is it up to me to "raise" anything.

The customer is always right.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: HikerGuy83 on July 15, 2021, 04:17:48 am
The customer is always right.

Enjoy not getting anything you want.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: roamer_1 on July 15, 2021, 05:28:53 am
Enjoy not getting anything you want.

No damn different. Republicans ain't got anything I want anymore than Democrats do.

Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Hoodat on July 15, 2021, 12:41:40 pm
I will no no longer participate in their feckless 'defense', squandering what Yah has given us. You want my vote? Raise up Conservatives (REAL ones), or STFU.

Tell us how you really feel, @roamer_1
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: catfish1957 on July 15, 2021, 01:02:40 pm
Tell us how you really feel, @roamer_1

Real conservatives in this era of government?  File that one under Unicorns, Skittles, and Rainbows.

I share Roamer's fatigue of "lessers of evils", and have pretty much come to the conclusion we are about at the point of no return.  Our drunkened sailor legilsatures are taking the proverbial "blank check" to extremes, and have mortgaged the future of 2 maybe 3 generations.  Me?  I am about at the point of just sticking my middle finger at D.C., and ready my family and inner circle for the Dystopia that awaits us.

Never have I ever felt more like the present United States government is the biggest danger to the United States in our entire history. Lenin, Stalin, and Khruschev  are laughing their asses off in their graves, as the takeover ended up being an inside job.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: roamer_1 on July 15, 2021, 04:39:28 pm
Tell us how you really feel, @roamer_1

Ain't I yet? Well, pull up a chair... This will take a while...  :laugh: :beer:
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: roamer_1 on July 15, 2021, 04:53:50 pm
Real conservatives in this era of government?  File that one under Unicorns, Skittles, and Rainbows.

I share Roamer's fatigue of "lessers of evils", and have pretty much come to the conclusion we are about at the point of no return.  Our drunkened sailor legilsatures are taking the proverbial "blank check" to extremes, and have mortgaged the future of 2 maybe 3 generations.  Me?  I am about at the point of just sticking my middle finger at D.C., and ready my family and inner circle for the Dystopia that awaits us.

Never have I ever felt more like the present United States government is the biggest danger to the United States in our entire history. Lenin, Stalin, and Khruschev  are laughing their asses off in their graves, as the takeover ended up being an inside job.

There don't seem to be any point in supporting it, from any side...
I don't know if it is past the point of no return. But what it would take to fix it, blowing all the chocks out from under the market and keeping taxes high, and retaining that posture for a decade or two, while stopping spending and reducing government to its least operational size... And paying down the debt with those high taxes, while controlling inflation by burning all the money they've been printing... All while increasing civil distress continues to mount as services people have relied upon for generations are curtailed... All of that, and at the right dose, would be like threading a needle alongside the road, from a car moving at highway speeds, without your glasses...

Well, that ain't a likely combination.

So it will happen a thousand times worse, and all at once instead. And that end is dang near written in stone.
And folks wonder why I am not impressed with candy from the clown at the front of the parade....
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on July 15, 2021, 04:58:55 pm

US Chamber of Commerce 2020 Political Donation Receipients:

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/us-chamber-of-commerce/recipients?id=D000019798 (https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/us-chamber-of-commerce/recipients?id=D000019798)

Crystal Ball 2022 Senate ratings:

Source: https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/2022-senate-races-initial-ratings/ (https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/2022-senate-races-initial-ratings/)

(https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/2022_01_28_Senate_Ratings-600.png)
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: HikerGuy83 on July 17, 2021, 04:42:34 am
US Chamber of Commerce 2020 Political Donation Receipients:

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/us-chamber-of-commerce/recipients?id=D000019798 (https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/us-chamber-of-commerce/recipients?id=D000019798)

And what is your point ?

Crystal Ball 2022 Senate ratings:

Source: https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/2022-senate-races-initial-ratings/ (https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/2022-senate-races-initial-ratings/)

(https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/2022_01_28_Senate_Ratings-600.png)
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: HikerGuy83 on July 17, 2021, 02:39:41 pm
There don't seem to be any point in supporting it, from any side...
I don't know if it is past the point of no return. But what it would take to fix it, blowing all the chocks out from under the market and keeping taxes high, and retaining that posture for a decade or two, while stopping spending and reducing government to its least operational size... And paying down the debt with those high taxes, while controlling inflation by burning all the money they've been printing... All while increasing civil distress continues to mount as services people have relied upon for generations are curtailed... All of that, and at the right dose, would be like threading a needle alongside the road, from a car moving at highway speeds, without your glasses...

Well, that ain't a likely combination.

So it will happen a thousand times worse, and all at once instead. And that end is dang near written in stone.
And folks wonder why I am not impressed with candy from the clown at the front of the parade....

I get this.

But I am unwilling to admit it can't be fixed.

Let me start by saying that republicans (and to some extent conservatives) have allowed this happen for the past 60 years.

You don't fix a mess you took 60 years to create overnight.

It is incremental and bit by bit. 

I don't like the AZ has two democratic senators.

But one of them is (IMHO) at least not a lock-step left winger.  I want someone better.

The rhetoric from the right needs to step away from being so confrontational and needs to focus on the issues at hand.

The biggest being that Washington DC is far to big.  It was never intended to be that way.  It now processes or doles out 20 to 22% of our TOTAL GDP. 

And we wonder why lobbyists are so prevelant.

That puts our congress in charge of cash flows much much larger than Wal Mart. 

And most of them have no clue as to how to run a business or manage money.

The GOP is silent on key issues (which, like health care, don't need to be fixed by the government....but still need to be fixed).

Where are the voices for the 10th amendment.

They've been silent for decades.

If you want change, step up and start demanding that our government function as it should.

You'll be mocked and (if you do it alone) crucified.  But if we organize, we can start to move the needle.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: roamer_1 on July 17, 2021, 07:01:32 pm
I get this.

But I am unwilling to admit it can't be fixed.


Oh, it CAN be fixed  - It just won't be fixed, as evidenced by pretty much my whole lifetime.

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Let me start by saying that republicans (and to some extent conservatives) have allowed this happen for the past 60 years.

You don't fix a mess you took 60 years to create overnight.

It is incremental and bit by bit. 


Yeah, there's that same tired old song I have heard for thirty plus years. Your incrementalism has netted exactly *nothing* in all that time... It has proven to lose ground the whole way along.

In fact, the only two Conservative movements that have mattered in all that time came with considerable insistence - Both the 94 Congress and the TEA Party happened when populism took a back seat to Conservatism in the midst of huge public demand, and those changes that DID happen happened all at once, in a flood.

So much for the falsity of incrementalism. Either demand your representatives toe the Conservative line, or don't damnwell bother.

Not to mention that there is no more time for incrementalism, Somebody better come with an axe or it will be too late. But that will never happen, because too many will settle for nothing and call it a win.

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The rhetoric from the right needs to step away from being so confrontational and needs to focus on the issues at hand.

The biggest being that Washington DC is far to big.  It was never intended to be that way.  It now processes or doles out 20 to 22% of our TOTAL GDP. 

There IS NO rhetoric from the right. Only compromise and fear of democrats. Fecklessness.
No balls.

In fact, that is supposedly the appeal of Tumpy. 'He fights', right? No matter how mislead that idea, doesn't that prove a desire for harder words and lines in the sand? wouldn't that equate to  a firm rhetoric?

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They've been silent for decades.


You mean they've been silenced for decades... By populists and moderates.

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If you want change, step up and start demanding that our government function as it should.

You'll be mocked and (if you do it alone) crucified.  But if we organize, we can start to move the needle.

I know all about it. I didn't leave the Republicans, the Republicans left me.

And I am a team player. Just not for your team. I was in up to my lips with the TEA Party. You might want to ponder why I will not go to bat for y'all.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 17, 2021, 07:06:24 pm
Well, I ain't giving up just yet.  I also don't know if Masters is the correct vehicle.  I'm not wasting my time digging up the backstories on the candidates just yet, I just know Brnovich won't be getting my vote in this race.

I gotta know more about "the fire in the belly."  The lack of that is just one sure-fire indicator a Candidate will be a grievous disappointment in Office.  That's why I'll not be voting for The Brn.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: HikerGuy83 on July 17, 2021, 10:22:55 pm
Oh, it CAN be fixed  - It just won't be fixed, as evidenced by pretty much my whole lifetime.

Just what does "fixed" look like to you then ?

In my book it isn't McStain or Romney. 

They are too willing to let the federal government be as big it is now.

When was the last time ANYBODY appealed to the 10th amendment in earnest ?

I can't recall.

Seems to come up as a last resort....not the first.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: HikerGuy83 on July 17, 2021, 10:27:05 pm

Yeah, there's that same tired old song I have heard for thirty plus years. Your incrementalism has netted exactly *nothing* in all that time... It has proven to lose ground the whole way along.

In fact, the only two Conservative movements that have mattered in all that time came with considerable insistence - Both the 94 Congress and the TEA Party happened when populism took a back seat to Conservatism in the midst of huge public demand, and those changes that DID happen happened all at once, in a flood.


You might want to consider that the 94 congress got it done with Bill Clinton.

But then along comes one of the bigger disasters in the history of this country....GWB.

Spends us to stupidville and gets us into wars we don't need to be in.

A GOP congress (including many of those 1994 types) were right there helping him take us to the world of big debt.

I can't recall the last time heard someone, anyone espouse true, grassroots fiscal activity that addresses the concerns of the day.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Hoodat on July 17, 2021, 10:42:32 pm
You might want to consider that the 94 congress got it done with Bill Clinton.

Got what done?  Gutted our defense?  Reduced military spending below 3% of GDP for the first time since 1940?



But then along comes one of the bigger disasters in the history of this country....GWB.

Spends us to stupidville and gets us into wars we don't need to be in.

It was his dad who got us into the war.  Iraq violated the cease fire agreement from that war.  As for spending, he restored our defenses after 8 years of neglect by Clinton.  And by 2006, the deficit was coming down considerably. It was one-tenth of what it would be just 3 years later.

I know there are a lot of GWB haters in here.  But there was a lot he got right.  Think for a second what it would have been like if Algore had been in the White House on 9/11.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: libertybele on July 17, 2021, 11:27:38 pm
Got what done?  Gutted our defense?  Reduced military spending below 3% of GDP for the first time since 1940?



It was his dad who got us into the war.  Iraq violated the cease fire agreement from that war.  As for spending, he restored our defenses after 8 years of neglect by Clinton.  And by 2006, the deficit was coming down considerably. It was one-tenth of what it would be just 3 years later.

I know there are a lot of GWB haters in here.  But there was a lot he got right.  Think for a second what it would have been like if Algore had been in the White House on 9/11.

I have to agree with you some what about GWB.  His first term he did pretty well,  IMHO, his 2nd term was a disaster!
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: HikerGuy83 on July 18, 2021, 08:16:17 pm
Got what done?  Gutted our defense?  Reduced military spending below 3% of GDP for the first time since 1940?



It was his dad who got us into the war.  Iraq violated the cease fire agreement from that war.  As for spending, he restored our defenses after 8 years of neglect by Clinton.  And by 2006, the deficit was coming down considerably. It was one-tenth of what it would be just 3 years later.

I know there are a lot of GWB haters in here.  But there was a lot he got right.  Think for a second what it would have been like if Algore had been in the White House on 9/11.

I voted fore the dumbass....twice.

I had watched Al Gore long enough to know I was truly scared of him.

I was against the invasion during the run-up and Bush really screwed us. 

He was on track for NO DEBT and he truly blew it.

He was not a fiscal conservative.

What really hurt was that I was (and had been for a long time) a huge fan of Cheney.  I was so very excited at him being VP (when everyone was like....Who ?).

I felt let down. 

The American people actually gave GWB an off year gain in seats. 

And he and the spend happy congress threw it all away.

By 2006, he had truly screwed conservatives over.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: HikerGuy83 on July 18, 2021, 08:17:20 pm
I have to agree with you some what about GWB.  His first term he did pretty well,  IMHO, his 2nd term was a disaster!

GWB was a moron.

I would have voted for his wife before him.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 16, 2022, 08:31:44 pm
The ONLY thing that will fix this is enough Conservatives,

Why don't you explain how that will fix anything.

I call myself conservative, but the not a "Trump" conservative. 

So, I can't understand just what it is that you are saying.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: catfish1957 on October 16, 2022, 08:38:45 pm
I voted fore the dumbass....twice.

I had watched Al Gore long enough to know I was truly scared of him.

I was against the invasion during the run-up and Bush really screwed us. 

He was on track for NO DEBT and he truly blew it.

He was not a fiscal conservative.

What really hurt was that I was (and had been for a long time) a huge fan of Cheney.  I was so very excited at him being VP (when everyone was like....Who ?).

I felt let down. 

The American people actually gave GWB an off year gain in seats. 

And he and the spend happy congress threw it all away.

By 2006, he had truly screwed conservatives over.

W got us needlessly in to Iraq.  Worst political decsion making in this country since 1861.

I voted for this turd twice too., and highly regret it.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: roamer_1 on October 16, 2022, 09:31:19 pm
Why don't you explain how that will fix anything.

I call myself conservative, but the not a "Trump" conservative. 

So, I can't understand just what it is that you are saying.

You're kidding, right? Read the rest of the thread since July.

And you can call yourself anything you want. MANY call themselves Conservative and don't have any idea what it means. Look at the latest populist movement dressed in conservative quotes - Tumpy bought us a full quarter if not a third of the entire debt in but four years and still many would have him be the poster child for conservatism.

It is to laugh.

Conservatism is not hard to define. As it touches politics it is the right wing of the Republican party ala Goldwater-Reagan... Now largely extinct. But that coalition is all it has ever been wrt governance... Supporting the unmovable principles of the three (I would say four) factions of political Conservatism. That's the ONLY way we ever won, and the only way we ever will.

TEA approached it. 94 Congress too.

But it needs to be in charge and sustained that way for a generation or two.
Or raise up another party.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: DB on October 16, 2022, 10:34:18 pm
W got us needlessly in to Iraq.  Worst political decsion making in this country since 1861.

I voted for this turd twice too., and highly regret it.

W's BIG mistake was nation building. We could have destroyed Saddam's "government" and promptly left. Not rebuild anything. Made him an example of why you don't want to provoke us. And if the next guy wants to do the same, repeat and rinse. Nation building is what cost all the lives and treasure.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Cyber Liberty on October 17, 2022, 03:18:31 pm
W's BIG mistake was nation building. We could have destroyed Saddam's "government" and promptly left. Not rebuild anything. Made him an example of why you don't want to provoke us. And if the next guy wants to do the same, repeat and rinse. Nation building is what cost all the lives and treasure.

Agree 100%!  Bush said from the beginning he would not "nation build," and yet he did precisely that costing a lot of lives and dollars, and weakened the USA in the process.  Bush did the same in Afghanistan.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Hoodat on October 17, 2022, 07:33:21 pm
I believe that nation-building in Iraq was a good investment.  We had a unified Iraq with a democratically elected government.  And more importantly, we showed the world that the United States was in it for the long haul, effectively restoring trust by showing others that America's word meant something.  I realize it came at a great price.  But that price was due to decades of America not keeping its word and not honoring its commitments.  It also gave us a base right next to Iran which kept them in check.

Of course all of this was trashed the moment Baraq Obama stepped into office.  Look back at where we were in 2009.  Iraq stood as a example of success to the entire muslim world that self-rule was possible.  We saw democratic movements in Egypt, Iran, Libya, etc., all based on the Iraqi example.  And Obama squandered each and every one of them.  Think of how much different our world would be today if the Iranian people had been encouraged to overthrow their theocracy.  It was there for the taking.  But Obama.

Afghanistan is another matter.  We never engaged in nation-building there.  All we did was to put in place an Afghan government that supported our efforts against the Taliban.  That's it.  We never taught them how to defend themselves.  We never encouraged self rule.  Our only goal was to keep the Taliban in check with minimal US military deployment.  And that also was hugely successful.  Until Obama.  Over two-thirds of US casualties in Afghanistan happened under Obama's watch.  All because he abandoned the minimal-deployment strategy and tried to mimic militarily what Petraeus did in Iraq without all of the other things that went along with it.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Fishrrman on October 17, 2022, 10:25:10 pm
Hoodat:
"I believe that nation-building in Iraq was a good investment..."

It doesn't matter whether we had stayed there 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, or 60 years.

They are muslims.
As soon as we withdrew, they would revert right back to their own ways.

They are muslims.
As such, their "allegiance" is owed not to any temporal government, but to someone else. Someone long, long dead, but whose grasp they are still within.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Hoodat on October 17, 2022, 10:30:21 pm
Hoodat:
"I believe that nation-building in Iraq was a good investment..."

It doesn't matter whether we had stayed there 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, or 60 years.

They are muslims.
As soon as we withdrew, they would revert right back to their own ways.

I disagree.  The Iraqis have held it together pretty well for the last two decades.  The only difference are that they no longer have a US base in their country, and that they know the US can't be counted on for squat.  They know they are on their own against Iran and Turkey.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 18, 2022, 05:23:26 am
W's BIG mistake was nation building. We could have destroyed Saddam's "government" and promptly left. Not rebuild anything. Made him an example of why you don't want to provoke us. And if the next guy wants to do the same, repeat and rinse. Nation building is what cost all the lives and treasure.

On that we totally agree.....the nation building part. 

If destroying his government meant bombing it into oblivion....maybe.

But no troops on the ground. 
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 18, 2022, 05:24:42 am
Hoodat:
"I believe that nation-building in Iraq was a good investment..."

It doesn't matter whether we had stayed there 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, or 60 years.

They are muslims.
As soon as we withdrew, they would revert right back to their own ways.

They are muslims.
As such, their "allegiance" is owed not to any temporal government, but to someone else. Someone long, long dead, but whose grasp they are still within.

You don't change something in 5 years that has taken hundreds of years to construct.

The hubris of the U.S. and GWB in that regard was beyond me.

Again, I'll say, I was very disappointed in Dick Cheney.  I truly admired that man.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: HikerGuy83 on October 18, 2022, 05:26:40 am
I'm looking forward to watching this one corkscrew his plane into the ground.

What the hell are you talking about ?

You want Mark Kelly ?
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: American Girl on November 01, 2022, 02:00:34 pm
This is big.  I wonder if this will become a trend in other races.
https://www.usasupreme.com/theres-been-a-political-earthquake-in-arizona-this-morning-and-this-can-change-the-fate-of-the-u-s-senate/
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Kamaji on November 01, 2022, 02:05:49 pm
Unfortunately, due to early voting, the benefits from these sorts of last-minute announcements ends up being muted, since early votes cast for a candidate who subsequently drops out of the race cannot be re-cast, or assigned to another candidate.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 01, 2022, 05:22:05 pm
Blake Masters is coming to my town for a pizza party tonight!  This will make it fun!
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Mesaclone on November 01, 2022, 09:12:34 pm
Unfortunately, due to early voting, the benefits from these sorts of last-minute announcements ends up being muted, since early votes cast for a candidate who subsequently drops out of the race cannot be re-cast, or assigned to another candidate.

Early voting certainly mitigates it a bit, but there's still a lot of in person voting out here and it could make a small difference...maybe a couple percentage points. That may be enough to swing the state. Fingers crossed out here. Very stoked for Kari Lake having a big election night as well, which may help carry Masters over the finish line.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Wingnut on November 03, 2022, 01:10:50 am
Why are we talking about W and Iraq again?  I was late to the party
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: libertybele on November 03, 2022, 01:56:27 am
Blake Masters is coming to my town for a pizza party tonight!  This will make it fun!

Enjoy @Cyber Liberty
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 03, 2022, 03:07:09 pm
Enjoy @Cyber Liberty

We had a great turnout and lotsa good pizza!  We counted about 325 people from our little town came.  It was good seeing Blake again (he's been here a few times).  I told him next time we meet I'll be calling him "Senator."

We expected maybe 100, but when people started calling in we realized we had to move the venue to a sports bar about 100 feet away from the pizzeria.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 03, 2022, 07:27:22 pm
We had a great turnout and lotsa good pizza!  We counted about 325 people from our little town came.  It was good seeing Blake again (he's been here a few times).  I told him next time we meet I'll be calling him "Senator."

We expected maybe 100, but when people started calling in we realized we had to move the venue to a sports bar about 100 feet away from the pizzeria.

Bravo.

Sounds like a good time.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Cyber Liberty on November 03, 2022, 08:32:37 pm
Bravo.

Sounds like a good time.

Yes, it was.  Blake likes Mohave County!

We saw Mark Finchem here the next day (yesterday).
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 04, 2022, 05:44:32 pm
This was VERY INTERESTING.....

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/patty-murray-makes-an-anguished-face/

Goes back to @Cyber Liberty making the statement about Murray. 

I have to retract my comment.....maybe Washington state will wake up and grant us a miracle.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: Hoodat on November 04, 2022, 05:46:17 pm
I have to retract my comment.....

You mean the comment where you said you hope Patty Murray wins?
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 06, 2022, 10:54:13 pm
538 has Masters trending up. 

He is less than 2 points down to Kelly.
Title: Re: AZ Candidate Blake Masters: Conservatives Can’t Take the Senate Without Taking Back Arizona
Post by: HikerGuy83 on November 06, 2022, 10:55:45 pm
Murray's race continues to look tight.