I don't read $hit from The Hill, it's Un-American, I just post their Articles when I'm Gleeful.
“I wish people would read or listen to my words on the Border Wall. This was in no way a concession," Trump tweeted.It was, in fact, a tremendous victory for America, the American people, and the United States of America. Tremendous.
It was, in fact, a tremendous victory for America, the American people, and the United States of America. Tremendous.
Baghdad Don?This was the day President Trump squashed the rat's destructive shutdown. A shutdown that was eroding our national security and border defenses and had cost more lives than ending Net Nutrality . One man put his reputation and political capital at risk so our border defenders could do their jobs without worrying about their children's empty bellies. Has an President loved this country more?
Maybe Trump shouldn't listen to Ann Coulter in the future.
Even better maybe he'll organize a plan involving Republicans in congress and follow through with it after setting it motion instead of bouncing around like an arcade pinball...
Are you another snowflake that can't bare to read anything from The Hill or [cover your eyes] CNN...Sorry I forgot to alert readers in the title it was from The HillYoung lady you're on fire lately. :hands: :thumbsup:
Funny he had two years to get the wall ( which Mexico was supposed to pay for it ). He has to prove that he can make a great deal to get his wall through Congress. It is all on him.
Funny he had two years to get the wall ( which Mexico was supposed to pay for it ). He has to prove that he can make a great deal to get his wall through Congress. It is all on him.
2 years with near total GOP control of the government.
2 years with near total GOP control of the government.
A GOP that's afraid of its own shadow.
2 years with near total GOP control of the government.
Actually, it was two years of near total Never-Trump GOP control of the government.
Liking where it got us?
2 years with near total GOP control of the government.
BS. It was only a few NTs and the rest Trump could have won over had he tried. It's a bit too early to try to rewrite history.
You're the one rewriting history, apparently editing out Paul Ryan, John McCain, Jeff Flake, Lisa Murkowski, Rob Porter et al. They were not going to be "won over" because they were consumed with hate that Donald Trump won. They would have been more amenable to Hillary Clinton.
I won't let you rewrite this. For the last two years the GOP Congressional caucuses have been under diehard Never-Trump control They brought us --- willfully ---- to this point
BS. It was only a few NTs and the rest Trump could have won over had he tried. It's a bit too early to try to rewrite history.
Rewrite? More like a simple statement of what occurred.
And let's add, the President is not done fighting for the wall and other conservative priorities...and the NT/RINO's are still working with Dems to thwart him. But as a great man once said, we shall overcome...and the President WILL get his wall.
Are you another snowflake that can't bare to read anything from The Hill or [cover your eyes] CNN...Sorry I forgot to alert readers in the title it was from The Hill
Yep, of all the R's, and a few "moderate" D's, you can come up with only 5. You proved my point.
Yeah. I hear ya. I'm going to start posting shit from Stormfront now because they also have a point a view and no one should be a Snowflake and hide from a point of view.
I suggest you look up "et al" before you go reaching for that scepter of victory.
The Never-Trump Congressional members brought us to this point .... it was their only success. You can turn yourself into a salted pretzel trying to deny it .... and all your attempts will bring is laughter from those with two working brain cells.
Carry on, please. 88devil
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Democrats have held our government hostage for weeks, but thanks to President @realDonaldTrump's leadership, the government will reopen and federal workers will be paid in the next few days.
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I think you know the difference between Stormfront and The Hill........is this what you meant that you were going to burn the place down?
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"You should be grateful I stopped hitting you."
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2 years with near total GOP control of the government.
Rewrite? More like a simple statement of what occurred.
And let's add, the President is not done fighting for the wall and other conservative priorities...and the NT/RINO's are still working with Dems to thwart him. But as a great man once said, we shall overcome...and the President WILL get his wall.
A GOP that didn't support him.
Big shocker you would be following a Progressive Socialist on Twit....
New Year Retributions @achronologician
Replying to @GOP @realDonaldTrump
... and all your attempts will bring is laughter from those with two working brain cells.
I follow @GOP
So where are my stormfront articles @Amb. Frank Cannon ?
Perhaps if he had actually tried to convince them with reason and thoughtful conversation, he would have convinced at least a few.
It's called "leadership." And it's what real Presidents do.
I keep lobbying for them but the owner say they are not safe threads for Snowflakes.
I think President Trump would be disappointed in you. "No matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.
Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans." -President Trump 8/14/17
Horseshit. The GOP margin in the Senate was controlled by RINO's like McCain, Murkowski and Collins...who's votes on nearly every important issue handed control of legislation to the Dems. If you want to blame anyone for what WASN'T done in that 2 years, put 100% of it on the RINO/NT alliance that stopped what the President was working to achieve.
You have to love GOP'rs who've slammed and fought against the President...working with Dems and RINO's...blaming the President, or even McConnell, for not getting a wall. The culprits in this failure ARE the NT/RINO crowd...nobody else need share any of that blame.
A GOP that's afraid of its own shadow.
We need some eyes that roll all the way to the next planet.
Perhaps if he had actually tried to convince them with reason and thoughtful conversation, he would have convinced at least a few.
It's called "leadership." And it's what real Presidents do.
Yep, that's exactly why George Bush...Senior and Junior...got that wall built and fixed our immigration system....all of that "reasoning and thoughtful conversation" they used brought in enough RINO's and Dems to get it done. Oh...wait...that's exactly the opposite of what happened...could it be that no amount of huggy-feely conversation was or would ever sway the RINO's to support a wall.
If we don't get a wall...and I still think we will under Trump...all of you NT/RINO's should be proud. Take your victory lap. You won. You undermined, backstabbed and/or simply did nothing when the fight for the wall was/is hot...way to go!
If we don't get a wall...and I still think we will under Trump...all of you NT/RINO's should be proud. Take your victory lap. You won. You undermined, backstabbed and/or simply did nothing when the fight for the wall was/is hot...way to go!
Sorry, Mesaclone, but this is all on Trump. This was his big campaign issue and the one that people voted for him on. (Well, that and he wasn't quite Hillary)
Whether a few hard-core NTs here posted less-than-flattering opinions about Trump has had absolutely no effect on his ability to get things done in Washington.
After two damned years in DC he still doesn't understand how the place works and how to get what he wants?
And, invoking GWB isn't going to work either. W was never big on border control and never really tried. Same with GWHB.
Trump needs to stop being the "Whiner In Chief" and start getting things done. He has the power to make it happen......Use It!
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You're the one rewriting history. It only took a few in strategically positions to bring a halt to everything. And, apparently, you're hell bent on editing out Paul Ryan, John McCain, Jeff Flake, Lisa Murkowski, Rob Porter et al. They were not going to be "won over" because they were consumed with hate that Donald Trump won. They would have been more amenable to Hillary Clinton.
I won't let you rewrite this. For the last two years the GOP Congressional caucuses have been under diehard Never-Trump control They brought us --- willfully ---- to this point
So, postponing the SOTU wasn't a concession, ending the shutdown wasn't a concession. I'm afraid of what else isn't going to be a concession, or maybe I should be afraid of what will be one.
Perhaps if he had actually tried to convince them with reason and thoughtful conversation, he would have convinced at least a few.
It's called "leadership." And it's what real Presidents do.
I know a thing or two about concessions. I own the coffee and donut concession in The Lounge.
Yes, he does!
Yep, that's exactly why George Bush...Senior and Junior...got that wall built and fixed our immigration system....all of that "reasoning and thoughtful conversation" they used brought in enough RINO's and Dems to get it done. Oh...wait...that's exactly the opposite of what happened...could it be that no amount of huggy-feely conversation was or would ever sway the RINO's to support a wall. Especially when they know they can take refuge in the arms of NT's who are so willing to be Quisling's and undermine the conservative cause.:thumbsup:
Trump being an MF'r is the ONLY way we get this done...the Dems will never go along with a wall, and with you RINO/NT's undercutting the work to get it done...well...here we are.
Luckily, the President will fight on...and ultimately succeed...while all you delicate NT flowers poo-poo from the sidelines and facilitate the Left in its opposition. That's bad enough...but blaming Trump for your effective work to stop him as NT/RINO's...well that's just rich.
If we don't get a wall...and I still think we will under Trump...all of you NT/RINO's should be proud. Take your victory lap. You won. You undermined, backstabbed and/or simply did nothing when the fight for the wall was/is hot...way to go!
Thank you for proving my point, since I know that the plain ones didn't start out that way.
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As if you can convince open border globalists like Ryan to help build a wall.
Hey! I haven't done that since I started my diet. I already lost >55 lbs.
@Victoria33 @musiclady
Hey! I haven't done that since I started my diet. I already lost >55 lbs.
@Victoria33 @musiclady
Trump needs to stop being the "Whiner In Chief" and start getting things done. He has the power to make it happen......Use It!
:thumbsup:
I'm definitely not going to defend the Republicans in Congress (at least most of them), but the test of leadership when you are in the WH is to convince your own party to follow its own purported policy.
If you can't do that, you fail the leadership test.
It's a time honored policy that the person in charge bears the responsibility for what goes on under him. Bush 43 was to blame for the profligate spending of Congress, as is Trump, as well as his incoherent positions about the wall and our national security.
He wanted the job. It's his.
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As if you can convince open border globalists like Ryan to help build a wall.
Do you really think that the GOP could be convinced to give up their feeding at the trough of lobbyists and vote for the security of the American people? I don't.
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IN THREE WEEKS. THIS TIME, I REALLY MEAN IT!
I'm definitely not going to defend the Republicans in Congress (at least most of them), but the test of leadership when you are in the WH is to convince your own party to follow its own purported policy.
If you can't do that, you fail the leadership test.
It's a time honored policy that the person in charge bears the responsibility for what goes on under him. Bush 43 was to blame for the profligate spending of Congress, as is Trump, as well as his incoherent positions about the wall and our national security.
He wanted the job. It's his.
Seriously, austingirl............ you believe that people who post negative things on forums such as this one are A. Responsible for Trump's failure or B. Happy that our national security is still at great risk because he's failed here??
SERIOUSLY??? :shrug:
I don't know.
I just know who's charged with convincing them, and who has failed.
Here's but one example @edpc I posted three additional updates on the wall construction on this thread:
Voters are charged with convincing...no President ever born could "convince" these NT/RINO's to vote for a wall. You are trying to set up an impossible standard...a rather silly one.
I believe you, Cyber................... SURE I do. :cool:
Interesting. The money Pelosi won’t give him for the wall she won’t let him have has already been gotten? It’s really weird how the WH has spent so much time over the past 30+ days on a fight they’ve already won. :pondering:
True... but..... Trump is 'the President' that bragged about how he would make 'great deals'. To hear him talk, he was going to work miracles.
Horseshit. The GOP margin in the Senate was controlled by RINO's like McCain, Murkowski and Collins...who's votes on nearly every important issue handed control of legislation to the Dems. If you want to blame anyone for what WASN'T done in that 2 years, put 100% of it on the RINO/NT alliance that stopped what the President was working to achieve.Their hatred of Donald Trump was stronger than their desire to move forward and achieve great things. They cheered every time Trump was defeated, no matter what the issue was, no matter what the cost to the country.
You have to love GOP'rs who've slammed and fought against the President...working with Dems and RINO's...blaming the President, or even McConnell, for not getting a wall. The culprits in this failure ARE the NT/RINO crowd...nobody else need share any of that blame.
Their hatred of Donald Trump was stronger than their desire to move forward and achieve great things. They cheered every time Trump was defeated, no matter what the issue was, no matter what the cost to the country.
Their hatred of Donald Trump was stronger than their desire to move forward and achieve great things. They cheered every time Trump was defeated, no matter what the issue was, no matter what the cost to the country.
No @edpc More money is needed to finish the walls. BTW, "finish the wall" was a slogan that appeared during the midterm rallies. I much prefer that one. happy77
I take exception to that @240B None of us are cheering at this recent failure of President Trump in securing the Border Wall (after 2 years). WE are merely saying 'We told you So'.
It's extremely unfortunate that there are Briefers who believe that some of US want this Country to fail because we NEVER trusted Trump like some of you do.
That is a rather perfect summation of who the NT's are.
And let me say pre-emptively...its a good and wise thing to criticize ANY leader and politician. I often criticize the President on his tone, methods and even ideas...but I never forget the context within which we all exist.
When your GOP President is in the midst of an existential...and potentially literal...fight for the Republic against a rising Socialist tide...what kind of foolish Quisling stabs him in the back? Or rather, stabs all of us Republican voters in the back. There is a time to argue, fight and wage internicine warfare...and its called a primary. However, when the Mongol Horde is at the Gate calling for the blood of every conservative...that ain't the time.
Seems like common sense, but if it truly were, NT's would not exist.
I take exception to that @240B None of us are cheering at this recent failure of President Trump in securing the Border Wall (after 2 years). WE are merely saying 'We told you So'.
It's extremely unfortunate that there are Briefers who believe that some of US want this Country to fail because we NEVER trusted Trump like some of you do.
And he is @XenaLee http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html)
Matt Schlapp, chairman of the American Conservative Union and a close Trump ally, said this of Trump's view of Pelosi: "He has respect for her. He knows that she's a tough operator. He does not dislike her."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wounded-border-wall-retreat-deal-end-shutdown-011653342--business.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wounded-border-wall-retreat-deal-end-shutdown-011653342--business.html)
Well, that's a problem. If you don't dislike someone who told us we needed to pass O-care to see what's in it and used parliamentary BS like 'deem and pass' to ram it through on a straight party vote, you can't dislike anyone in politics.
Hey @Mesaclone it's your friggin party you bought it Lock, Stock and Barrel in 2015 besides I left in 2010 and as far as your 'Primary Logic' goes, your party turned off our microphones at the convention among other 'Tricks', so that doesn't wash with me either.
Long story, short not all of what you perceive as NT'ers hate Trump or anybody for that matter.
Gonna go HUG someone I love.
Wow. Then... it looks like Trump shut down the government, and punished all those gov workers for nothing. How heartless of him! **nononono*
Matt Schlapp, chairman of the American Conservative Union and a close Trump ally, said this of Trump's view of Pelosi: "He has respect for her. He knows that she's a tough operator. He does not dislike her."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wounded-border-wall-retreat-deal-end-shutdown-011653342--business.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wounded-border-wall-retreat-deal-end-shutdown-011653342--business.html)
Well, that's a problem. If you don't dislike someone who told us we needed to pass O-care to see what's in it and used parliamentary BS like 'deem and pass' to ram it through on a straight party vote, you can't dislike anyone in politics.
I take exception to that @240B None of us are cheering at this recent failure of President Trump in securing the Border Wall (after 2 years). WE are merely saying 'We told you So'.
It's extremely unfortunate that there are Briefers who believe that some of US want this Country to fail because we NEVER trusted Trump like some of you do.
Voters are charged with convincing...no President ever born could "convince" these NT/RINO's to vote for a wall. You are trying to set up an impossible standard...a rather silly one.
Yeah, but they were getting back pay and could always negotiate with landlords and grocers. In other words, they could make the great deals he couldn't?
Actually, it was two years of near total Never-Trump GOP control of the government.
Liking where it got us?
That's OK. Your feelings for Trump are more than silly.
It's the President's job to convince the Congress to enact his policies. He said he could do it. He couldn't do it.
That's pretty much all there is to it.
Come on, you can't say out loud that you hate someone that need something from.
That's OK. Your feelings for Trump are more than silly.
It's the President's job to convince the Congress to enact his policies. He said he could do it. He couldn't do it.
That's pretty much all there is to it.
I take exception to that @240B None of us are cheering at this recent failure of President Trump in securing the Border Wall (after 2 years). WE are merely saying 'We told you So'.I wasn't talking about TBR. I was referring to Congress in general. Sorry if I offended anyone. It was a general statement not directed at anyone in particular.
It's extremely unfortunate that there are Briefers who believe that some of US want this Country to fail because we NEVER trusted Trump like some of you do.
Well the AT's can't have it 'both' ways. It's either that Trump didn't really need the wall funding he shut the gov down over ..... and thus, he lied to the American people....
or he really did need that funding. The AT's trying to make it look like Trump didn't need that funding, and is already 'building the wall', are making it sound like Trump lied. Hilarious, when you think about it.
Come on, you can't say out loud that you hate someone that need something from.
Only fools, or people with a political agenda, don’t want a Wall or Steel Barrier to protect our Country from Crime, Drugs and Human Trafficking. It will happen - it always does!
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You don't know if it is a failure. You want every i dotted and every t crossed. For me, Trump has been successful just in getting this issue on the table. This respite is only 3 weeks and oh, boy, @corbe , then, watch out. Trump's a genius negotiator. This is all part of the process.
And again, the guy you have been plugging, has been supporting Trump. So, you have a blind spot. You are being divisive. Still, we think the world of you.
Oh, I know and I pretty much said the same thing here...
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349181.msg1901100.html#msg1901100 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349181.msg1901100.html#msg1901100)
Remember when Trump said the wall would be X amount of feet high, concrete and rebar, stretching from Gulf to Pacific? Just like everything else with him, the story and parameters change when it's convenient.
Your right @TomSea I don't know, no one knows. Believe it or Not, I think I have tempered my comments somewhat today, primarily due to PM's I received last night.
I don't want Trump to fail, I'm just disappointed, as most here are, of the inevitably of it all. Very, Very few in DC want Immigration Reform, of any type.
He didn't succeed. IF he truly wanted a wall he would have fought this battle long ago when he had a full majority.
I never believe stump speeches full of red meat, especially his. Over-the-top stuff like that gets said, and I know better than to believe it. Been around this game too long.
January 25, 2019
WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) today issued the following statement on the passage of legislation to temporarily reopen the federal government while negotiations continue to fund border security and build the wall.
"I am glad the Schumer shutdown is over," Sen. Cruz said. "I am glad federal workers will finally be paid. For weeks, Democrats held their paychecks hostage. Yesterday, I fought hard to immediately pay every single essential federal employee - every essential employee at the Coast Guard, the TSA, air traffic controllers, Border Patrol agents, ICE agents, FBI agents, and those throughout law enforcement. Chuck Schumer and the Democrats cynically objected to that legislation and killed it on the Senate floor.
"The Democrats have claimed that, once the shutdown ends, they are willing to negotiate in good faith to secure the border. Given their behavior, there is considerable reason to be skeptical of their claim. But, now, we will see if they actually meant what they said.
"The media will obsess over the short-term political fight. But what matters is enacting real solutions to the real problems of this country. We have a crisis at our border, one that Texas experiences first-hand. We need real border security, including physical barriers to stop drug traffickers and human traffickers. I will continue to lead the fight to secure the border and get the job done. We must keep our word to the American people.
"Perhaps the Democrats will end their partisan obstruction, set aside their hatred of the president, and agree to a reasonable compromise to actually secure the border. I hope so.
"If not - if Democrats continue to embrace open borders at the expense of the American people - then today's actions have made it all but inevitable that the president will declare a national emergency and deploy the funds and manpower necessary to build a steel barrier at high-traffic locations on the border."
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https://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=4299 (https://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=4299)
I'm still steamed about this one: "...And I'm the one who will not raise taxes. My opponent now says he'll raise them as a last resort, or a third resort. But when a politician talks like that, you know that's one resort he'll be checking into. My opponent won't rule out raising taxes. But I will. And the Congress will push me to raise taxes and I'll say no. And they'll push, and I'll say no, and they'll push again, and I'll say, to them, "Read my lips: no new taxes."
I never believe stump speeches full of red meat, especially his. Over-the-top stuff like that gets said, and I know better than to believe it. Been around this game too long.
You should be steamed. I am. That one was right up there with "If you like your Doctor..."
Hopefully now he can take a jaunt down to Mar~a~Lago and clear his head, Round 2, in 3 weeks, will also be brutal, for all of us.
People were so full of hope. I never believed he could do what he promised. And now that he has I believe it has created a push for unending caravans.
People were so full of hope. I never believed he could do what he promised. And now that he has I believe it has created a push for unending caravans.
Paul Ryan is an open borders globalist. No way Ryan was going to give Trump the money to build a wall.
She obviously doesn't GAF....
“It’s like a manhood thing for him. As if manhood could ever be associated with him. This wall thing.â€
People were so full of hope. I never believed he could do what he promised. And now that he has I believe it has created a push for unending caravans.
islam is a religion of peace
From what I can tell, the only thing that's been constructed is a pretty cumbersome, yet somehow mobile, goalpost.
So what? Reagan started this mess 30 years ago and it will continue as it has previously. You thought it was an impossible task to tackle immigration and you were proven right. Does it change anything in your daily life? I don't see how it could considering the shit going on now has been going on solid for 30 years.
And who the hell pushed for Ryan to be speaker again right after he was elected - Donald F'ing Trump.
The same goes for McConnell - Donald F'ing Trump pushed for him to lead the senate.
There's pages of us complaining about Trump doing that immediately after being elected when he said he was going to drain the swamp. We said it would lead to disaster.
Yet over and over you scream it is someone else's fault. The fault is believing the conman that got elected and in particularly still believing him betrayal after betrayal.
Who said they were going to put "Hillary in jail" and the day he's elected says the Clintons are good people and have suffered enough. The FBI and DOJ remain as corrupt as they were when Trump was elected. That is failure of the highest order on Trump's part.
How about holding Trump accountable for all this crap?
Wow. Then... it looks like Trump shut down the government, and punished all those gov workers for nothing. How heartless of him! **nononono*
I don't know if this is tongue-in-cheek @XenaLee But the President needs more money, now. You can be sure *he* sees the 8,000 heading toward our border.
Yep, that's exactly why George Bush...Senior and Junior...got that wall built and fixed our immigration system....all of that "reasoning and thoughtful conversation" they used brought in enough RINO's and Dems to get it done. Oh...wait...that's exactly the opposite of what happened...could it be that no amount of huggy-feely conversation was or would ever sway the RINO's to support a wall. Especially when they know they can take refuge in the arms of NT's who are so willing to be Quisling's and undermine the conservative cause.
Trump being an MF'r is the ONLY way we get this done...the Dems will never go along with a wall, and with you RINO/NT's undercutting the work to get it done...well...here we are.
Luckily, the President will fight on...and ultimately succeed...while all you delicate NT flowers poo-poo from the sidelines and facilitate the Left in its opposition. That's bad enough...but blaming Trump for your effective work to stop him as NT/RINO's...well that's just rich.
If we don't get a wall...and I still think we will under Trump...all of you NT/RINO's should be proud. Take your victory lap. You won. You undermined, backstabbed and/or simply did nothing when the fight for the wall was/is hot...way to go!
That deserved a big ol’ +1, good buddy.
I won’t hold my breath waiting for the flood of mea culpas when Trump succeeds in getting the wall built.
That deserved a big ol’ +1, good buddy.
I won’t hold my breath waiting for the flood of mea culpas when Trump succeeds in getting the wall built.
Mea culpas for what???
That is a rather perfect summation of who the NT's are.
And let me say pre-emptively...its a good and wise thing to criticize ANY leader and politician. I often criticize the President on his tone, methods and even ideas...but I never forget the context within which we all exist.
When your GOP President is in the midst of an existential...and potentially literal...fight for the Republic against a rising Socialist tide...what kind of foolish Quisling stabs him in the back? Or rather, stabs all of us Republican voters in the back. There is a time to argue, fight and wage internicine warfare...and its called a primary. However, when the Mongol Horde is at the Gate calling for the blood of every conservative...that ain't the time.
Seems like common sense, but if it truly were, NT's would not exist.
Of course, those who seem to be pointing out this so-called failure appear to be those who were staunchly against him from the get go. This episode is not over, we will see. In the meantime, unquestionably, there is a lot to take solace over. Many good things have happened.
Here's how the President has been spending the initial down payment of $1.6 billion from March 2018. Updates are from late 2018.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html)
@Chosen Daughter
They’re not interested. The only thing that captures their imagination is the thought that Mueller might soon uncover Russian collusion and put their long terrible nightmare to an end.
So what? Reagan started this mess 30 years ago and it will continue as it has previously. You thought it was an impossible task to tackle immigration and you were proven right. Does it change anything in your daily life? I don't see how it could considering the shit going on now has been going on solid for 30 years.
More blanket condemnations and insults in your desperate attempt to do "damage control"?
Your comment is asinine, to put it mildly.
Sure, there might be a couple of members who would cheer for Mueller..... but most of us have gone ON RECORD against the Mueller witch hunt.
You sir are dishonest.
That is true, had he spent less time worrying about fake news and actaully sit down with the leaders of both houses he could have a wall.
You should be steamed. I am. That one was right up there with "If you like your Doctor..."
Yes, it absolutely does Frank. Some people like you are so out of touch. It has driven wages down for a full 30 years straight in manufacturing. 10 years ago it may have been illegal immigrants were 3% of the population. 15 years 10% and a steady increase every year. Every year there are new levies to pay for the increased population of children attending school. Every year thousands of illegal immigrants are imprisoned in our state and federal prisons.
Every year with the increase of illegal immigrants comes increased costs to our welfare system. Which are passed on to you and me. Well I remember you posting your fancy car. Maybe that's less than a pinhead in your income but to me its a major pain in my finance. I can't afford the increasing property tax. Because I only make a couple dollars more than I made in 1996. But inflation has only grown and grown. Yes it does affect me.
It affects you too, maybe? There is growing push every year to reward illegal immigration. Left and right position themselves for Hispanic support. The more our cities fill with an uneven number of one race or another politicians are in a frenzy to make them happy just so they can have the vote.
Never mind that our entire country is corrupted by Mexican drug Cartel. No worries that students may never graduate because they might die from gang violence in the schools. Nancy and Chuck should know about that. But hey their families don't sent their kids to public education!
Please stay on topic! Mueller is not the topic, the "end" of the "shutdown" is.
Don't make this a NT vs AT thread or I'll lock it.
LOL Seriously? Every thread here is NT vs AT, even when they're not about T.
@kevindavis
HorseHillary! The Dim-controlled Congress is NOT going to let him have a wall under ANY circumstances because without the fresh influx of illegal alien voters they will lose power.
LOL Seriously? Every thread here is NT vs AT, even when they're not about T.
LOL Seriously? Every thread here is NT vs AT, even when they're not about T.
But we're already building one @sneakypete Updates here: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html)
I've no doubt, one way or the other, the President will find the funding to complete it beyond the $1.6 billion in March.
Well at least it hasn't devolved into their demanding we precede T with "President" for awhile...
I've been watching them build progressively stronger walls on the border for as long as I've had the eyes to watch. The pace has been glacial, and they've been shown to work as designed. That they work is precisely why the Rats oppose them with any rhetorical tool they can find, even having the most pro-abortion politicians in history calling them "immoral."
I've always advocated that this Forum needs an OFFICIAL NT/AT Elimination Thread, matches and gasoline, optional.
I'm still on the side that says the President will find and get the funding, even if Pelosi is unhappy. :laugh:
He is doing a really good job of building one between himself and the people who would have voted for him in 2020.Actually, Fred, that is being done by the same people who assured Conservatives they didn't need our support, nor want it. Now we catch shit for supporting one of Trumps initiatives that failed--something we, too, had been advocating for for some time.
I'm still on the side that says the President will find and get the funding, even if Pelosi is unhappy. :laugh:
Kind of Alien verses Predator thing eh?
I've always advocated that this Forum needs an OFFICIAL NT/AT Elimination Thread, matches and gasoline, optional.Meh. Why encourage what already is ridiculous?
...with the special effects of Godzilla vs. King Kong.
Ya, Godzilla vs. Bambi went flat too fast.
I'm still on the side that says the President will find and get the funding, even if Pelosi is unhappy. :laugh:
Well, I don't know how you define "goalpost", but these structures are 20 feet high and 30 feet deep. :laugh:
Well, I’d probably define the moving goalpost a few ways. Let’s start with cheering the president’s statement in December that he’d gladly take responsibility for a shutdown over border security. Then, once he refuses to sign a clean CR, overwhelmingly passed in the Senate, the shutdown is suddenly someone else’s fault.
Then, we had the SOTU standoff. When he was denied the venue, some here were certain he’d deliver it in the senate with Pelosi uninvited or hold a MAGA type event. When he capitulated on that issue, well, it wasn’t important to give the speech right now.
Next, I seem to recall you scoffed at a member’s suggestion the shutdown compromise should include DACA protection. When that was actually part of his address, it was suddenly obvious to you that was a reasonable offer, since ‘everyone knows’ we’re not kicking them out, anyway. You argued that wasn’t amnesty. When he tweeted amnesty would be discussed as part of a larger comprehensive deal, well, you rationalized it by saying someone had to clean up the mess.
Now, we’ve reached the point where he got zero money for the wall in the 3 week deal, most likely won’t by the 15th, and would have any declaration immediately challenged, bogged down in lawsuits, then slow walked. That effectively ends any shot at the issue being resolved between now and the 2020 campaign. So, here you are with your ’nyah, nyah’ video posts, trying to convince us he’s already gotten it, anyway.
The only thing that’s 20ft high and 30ft deep is the pile of BS you’ve been shoveling.
Actually.... that particular pile is infinite.... and growing daily! It's like a black hole in reverse. lololol
The only thing that’s 20ft high and 30ft deep is the pile of BS you’ve been shoveling.
Well, I’d probably define the moving goalpost a few ways. Let’s start with cheering the president’s statement in December that he’d gladly take responsibility for a shutdown over border security. Then, once he refuses to sign a clean CR, overwhelmingly passed in the Senate, the shutdown is suddenly someone else’s fault.
Then, we had the SOTU standoff. When he was denied the venue, some here were certain he’d deliver it in the senate with Pelosi uninvited or hold a MAGA type event. When he capitulated on that issue, well, it wasn’t important to give the speech right now.
Next, I seem to recall you scoffed at a member’s suggestion the shutdown compromise should include DACA protection. When that was actually part of his address, it was suddenly obvious to you that was a reasonable offer, since ‘everyone knows’ we’re not kicking them out, anyway. You argued that wasn’t amnesty. When he tweeted amnesty would be discussed as part of a larger comprehensive deal, well, you rationalized it by saying someone had to clean up the mess.
Now, we’ve reached the point where he got zero money for the wall in the 3 week deal, most likely won’t by the 15th, and would have any declaration immediately challenged, bogged down in lawsuits, then slow walked. That effectively ends any shot at the issue being resolved between now and the 2020 campaign. So, here you are with your ’nyah, nyah’ video posts, trying to convince us he’s already gotten it, anyway.
The only thing that’s 20ft high and 30ft deep is the pile of BS you’ve been shoveling.
This took you some quality time to compose ... a complete waste of time, yet evidence that you must have gone back to your previous posts and realized how perilously close you'd come to agreeing with me on the construction of the wall. I am lovin' this. 88devil
Enjoy your Saturday evening ..... hopefully with good food and even better friends. :beer:
That's odd...we must have read different posts. I found that one enlightening, and was indeed the result of some painstaking research. Do you have a rebuttal?
That's odd...we must have read different posts. I found that one enlightening, and was indeed the result of some painstaking research. Do you have a rebuttal?
Enjoy your Saturday evening ..... hopefully with good food and even better friends. :beer:
I will, with man’s best friend, my retriever/spaniel mix. In your honor, we’ll have chicken and waffles.
I can honestly state that I'm rooting for that too. :th_10444:
Chicken and waffles?? I've never had the combo. Do you fix with some type of gravy? Just curious.
I will, with man’s best friend, my retriever/spaniel mix. In your honor, we’ll have chicken and waffles.
Finally. That is the point that I have been trying to make for weeks.
People need to understand HOW legislation gets to the floor for full vote, in both chambers.
On this issue (and more than a few others), there is no functional difference between Ryan and Pelosi.
Being friendly with the Freedom Caucus, nor any other group within the House with no real power, has zero impact on House leadership.
@EdJamesNo cloture, no bill, no bill, nothing happens. Gotta have the votes. Unfortunately, Democrats tend to vote en bloc, Republicans have their standard defectors.
Perhaps you can get that through the thick skulls here. I've totally failed in my efforts to do it!
No cloture, no bill, no bill, nothing happens. Gotta have the votes. Unfortunately, Democrats tend to vote en bloc, Republicans have their standard defectors.
That, and the fact that the same K Street bastards own all of them.My guess is that those who aren't owned outright are compromised some other way. With maybe a few exceptions, but not enough to do us any good.
My guess is that those who aren't owned outright are compromised some other way. With maybe a few exceptions, but not enough to do us any good.
My guess is that those who aren't owned outright are compromised some other way. With maybe a few exceptions, but not enough to do us any good.
So what? Reagan started this mess 30 years ago and it will continue as it has previously.You look cool bad mouthing Reagan to uplift Trump. Awesome.
180 degree chess moves here. He is thinking way ahead of everyone else. You must move forward, not backward, downward, not upward, and always twirling, twirling towards your goal.
That is a rather perfect summation of who the NT's are.
And let me say pre-emptively...its a good and wise thing to criticize ANY leader and politician. I often criticize the President on his tone, methods and even ideas...but I never forget the context within which we all exist.
When your GOP President is in the midst of an existential...and potentially literal...fight for the Republic against a rising Socialist tide...what kind of foolish Quisling stabs him in the back? Or rather, stabs all of us Republican voters in the back. There is a time to argue, fight and wage internicine warfare...and its called a primary. However, when the Mongol Horde is at the Gate calling for the blood of every conservative...that ain't the time.
Seems like common sense, but if it truly were, NT's would not exist.
:silly:
Oh sh1t.
You're serious?
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@EdJames
Perhaps you can get that through the thick skulls here. I've totally failed in my efforts to do it!
so I've no idea why you're making it.Shocking. :laugh:
It seems that I have failed as well. I doubt that I will keep trying in earnest.
Facing those facts and the cold realities takes away the ability to "blame Trump" and offer up all sorts of innuendo and daft theories about his motivations from 2015 forward. But it isn't just limited to those hair on fire kooks, it is very difficult for many to come to grasp with the fact that "GOP" is meaningless as far as being a set of reliable representatives for the needs and desires of the people that vote them into office.
Heck I've been pretty much on to this game for decades now, but I still find myself feeling a bit of shock and surprise (although it is minor at this point in time) when I see/hear "GOP" elected officials failing to do/say what they are supposed to be doing/saying because they are "GOP." Most of us had been brainwashed with these expectations since (at least) young adulthood.... hard to completely shake it off.
If you think a list of months...in which Trump and many others were continually proclaiming the border situation to be an emergency...with words that say "wall not an emergency" is of some significant meaning....you really don't understand the topic.
WW2 wasn't an emergency for YEARS after September 3, 1939...despite the sinking of US shipping...until FDR decided it was and used his emergency powers to activate our industrial base and to ship equipment to Britain and Russia (well prior to Pearl Harbor). So you could make your little list for every month prior to FDR's emergency declaration and it would mean just what your little list above means...nothing. Its an innately specious argument...so I've no idea why you're making it.
You do know that it is possible to accurately assess Trump's failure and faulty personality (being nice about it), and still despise the GOP and how they have abandoned every principle, don't you?
Your hostile (and absurd) description of people who don't share your positive views of the President (again, putting it mildly) doesn't speak well for your rationality, Ed.
The truth is that the present GOP is Trump's GOP. And Trump himself is the face of that same GOP. That's why those of us who hated the gutlessness of the Republican party (and still do), see Trump as same old, same old.
Wishful thinking, hoping for change doesn't translate into reality.
Well @EdJames - that was a bizarre and emotionally charged response to a rational argument coming from me.
Actually @EdJames your response was anything but bizarre and emotionally charged. It was reasoned, clever and quite good. happy77
You do know that it is possible to accurately assess Trump's failure and faulty personality (being nice about it), and still despise the GOP and how they have abandoned every principle, don't you?
And false.
@musiclady
"Possible to despise the GOP"?????
It is MANDATORY for anyone that wants to see America survive as a free country.
The GOP of today is about as useful as Confederate Money. Maybe not even that useful,as Confederate money has historical value and the GOP of today is only useful as national pimps for international bankers. I actually have more respect for the Dims because they pretty much openly embrace internationalism/communism/globalism/fascism,or any related "ism" you can name. To give them the credit (?) they deserve,the rank and file Dims and even some of the leadership are so freaking stupid they still think communism is the wave of the future. NOBODY is going to be more shocked to wake up in the labor camps than they are. Even then,most have never had a job and will only be useful as fertilizer.
And false.
Mean. :silly:
@sneakypete I think you’d find we agree a million times more than we disagree
The problem with supporting Trump and dissing the GOP is that Trump IS the GOP, and the GOP IS Trump.
It seems that I have failed as well. I doubt that I will keep trying in earnest.
Facing those facts and the cold realities takes away the ability to "blame Trump" and offer up all sorts of innuendo and daft theories about his motivations from 2015 forward. But it isn't just limited to those hair on fire kooks, it is very difficult for many to come to grasp with the fact that "GOP" is meaningless as far as being a set of reliable representatives for the needs and desires of the people that vote them into office.
Heck I've been pretty much on to this game for decades now, but I still find myself feeling a bit of shock and surprise (although it is minor at this point in time) when I see/hear "GOP" elected officials failing to do/say what they are supposed to be doing/saying because they are "GOP." Most of us had been brainwashed with these expectations since (at least) young adulthood.... hard to completely shake it off.
The problem with supporting Trump and dissing the GOP is that Trump IS the GOP, and the GOP IS Trump.
@EdJames
I've posted my story here before and believe you to have read it so I'm not going to redo that. Suffice it to say that forty years+ of labor in the Republican vineyard have only succeeded in making me old, tired, and bitter. I'm done!
Seriously, austingirl............ you believe that people who post negative things on forums such as this one are A. Responsible for Trump's failure or B. Happy that our national security is still at great risk because he's failed here??
SERIOUSLY??? :shrug:
That's OK. Your feelings for Trump are more than silly.
It's the President's job to convince the Congress to enact his policies. He said he could do it. He couldn't do it.
That's pretty much all there is to it.
@musiclady it's also his job to rally the people behind what he's trying to do.
@musiclady it's also his job to rally the people behind what he's trying to do.
Actually, it was two years of near total Never-Trump GOP control of the government.
Liking where it got us?
The people who are part of the problem...never see themselves!
@EdJames
I've posted my story here before and believe you to have read it so I'm not going to redo that. Suffice it to say that forty years+ of labor in the Republican vineyard have only succeeded in making me old, tired, and bitter. I'm done!
The people who are part of the problem...never see themselves! I support our America & PRESIDENT TRUMP!
Yeah everybody...throw in the towel..that will teach them. GIVE UP. You ARE voting for communism then. Good luck with that.
Take your ball and go home, the ILLEGALS will vote for you. How about SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT?
THE ONLY ONE FIGHTING FOR AMERICAN PEOPLE. Your feelings are so much more important. smh.
GET IN...SOME GOOD GOP!
This is a process now, with president TRUMP.
Yeah everybody...throw in the towel..that will teach them. GIVE UP. You ARE voting for communism then. Good luck with that.
Take your ball and go home, the ILLEGALS will vote for you. How about SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT?
THE ONLY ONE FIGHTING FOR AMERICAN PEOPLE. Your feelings are so much more important. smh.
GET IN...SOME GOOD GOP!
This is a process now, with president TRUMP.
Glory Be, I remember when the 'Process' started @LegalAmerican
@EdJames
I've posted my story here before and believe you to have read it so I'm not going to redo that. Suffice it to say that forty years+ of labor in the Republican vineyard have only succeeded in making me old, tired, and bitter. I'm done!
@musiclady
As usual,you have it backwards. Trump,the candidate,was an ALTERNATIVE to the GOP insiders that we KNEW would just keep on keeping on with the destruction of America.
Trump,as a rich man that didn't need them or their bribe money and was running to pump up his ego,was the ONLY actual hope for the pendulum to start swinging back to an American government that put America First,because the only reason he ran for president was to feed his massive ego that tells him daily that he is better than anyone else. He couldn't be bought and they couldn't even blackmail the professional pols because at one time or another he had paid them to do something or another for one of his corporations,so he had the dirt on them that pretty much made him bulletproof. All they could come up with is their paid whores from the entertainment industry,and most people laughed that off.
There is still a CHANCE that my hopes for him will come true and he will man-the-bleep UP and start building the wall using other money and the Army Corps of Engineers,but I lost a lot of faith in him when he allowed Pelosi and Schulmer to win the most recent contest of wills. There is a possibility there are things in the works that neither I nor anyone else know about yet to make all this happen,and nothing will please me more than to admit I was wrong to lose faith in him,but at this point I am not betting money on it.
@Bigun @EdJames
The sad good news to tell you is that there are a lot of us in this same boat,and it's starting to get crowded.
As things stand right now,I have no intention of voting for ANY GOP candidate in 2018 or beyond. It's past time to pull the plug on a party of traitors. If I want to vote for a traitor,all I have to do is vote for the Dim candidate,so what does the GOP have to offer me but lies? At least the Dims are truthful about being traitors to America.
It looks so easy even a caveman can do it, @corbe(https://i.prcdn.co/img?regionKey=ju2WN9VvfD%2FpIXUL3waupQ%3D%3D&scale=100)
It seems that a lot Trump supporters here is playing the blame game. So much for the Buck stops here..
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Rewrite? More like a simple statement of what occurred.
And let's add, the President is not done fighting for the wall and other conservative priorities...and the NT/RINO's are still working with Dems to thwart him. But as a great man once said, we shall overcome...and the President WILL get his wall.
@Mesaclone
A wall would be a great, but it's not going to happen.
Your last sentence proves where you're coming from on this--"the president WILL get "his" wall." It's all about defending a politician you're far too invested in, always making sure he's blameless. If a wall were built, it would be our wall, not his.
Once a wall is up, it's there for good.
The way I see it, a Wall is the only tangible thing that is permanent. You can promise the moon as far as no amnesty, no DACA , ending Anchor Babies, etc. But all it takes is one election, and that can all be undone. Once a wall is up, it's there for good.
@dfwgator
I agree. The problem is, the clock is running out on Trump's first administration. Assuming he gets re-elected, and I don't know if that's a sure thing, it's going to take, what, a decade to build? Trump will be gone and any construction will be stopped after that.
The people who are part of the problem...never see themselves!
Nobody would have put their neck out for the Wall like Trump has.
@dfwgator
I agree. The problem is, the clock is running out on Trump's first administration. Assuming he gets re-elected, and I don't know if that's a sure thing, it's going to take, what, a decade to build? Trump will be gone and any construction will be stopped after that.
Trump was a "Hail Mary Pass" all along, it was really the only chance we had. Nobody would have put their neck out for the Wall like Trump has.
Trump was a "Hail Mary Pass" all along, it was really the only chance we had. Nobody would have put their neck out for the Wall like Trump has.
He had no choice at this point did he? He'd already backtracked on three other promises he'd made that were the cornerstone to getting him elected. He was already on audio telling the Mexican President at the time that having Mexico pay for the wall was a "gimmick" to get the crowd fired up.
If he even had a chance in hell of winning in 2020 he had no choice but to do what did for 35 days. Only he should have gone on longer with it instead of blinking.
Berlin, Jericho.
The fear I have now is that the Rats' strategy for going after Trump is to simply attack his record as a "deal-maker". And they have no intention of giving him any more wins. Especially when RBG hits room temperature.
Nope. Nancy will go in for the kill no t that there's blood in the water. And you can bet the campaign ads for 202 are already being made slamming just what you mentioned.
IF Nancy allows the SOTU to happen this year...we'll know for sure whether or not RBG has already assumed room temp.
@Mesaclone
A wall would be a great, but it's not going to happen.
Your last sentence proves where you're coming from on this--"the president WILL get "his" wall." It's all about defending a politician you're far too invested in, always making sure he's blameless. If a wall were built, it would be our wall, not his.
Yeah everybody...throw in the towel..that will teach them. GIVE UP. You ARE voting for communism then. Good luck with that.
Take your ball and go home, the ILLEGALS will vote for you. How about SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT?
THE ONLY ONE FIGHTING FOR AMERICAN PEOPLE. Your feelings are so much more important. smh.
GET IN...SOME GOOD GOP!
This is a process now, with president TRUMP.
Yep, it doesn't matter what the liberals think about Trump, they don't vote for any Republican anyway. But those ads will deflate the base, and then Trump will be well-cooked.
He had no choice at this point did he? He'd already backtracked on three other promises he'd made that were the cornerstone to getting him elected. He was already on audio telling the Mexican President at the time that having Mexico pay for the wall was a "gimmick" to get the crowd fired up.
If he even had a chance in hell of winning in 2020 he had no choice but to do what did for 35 days. Only he should have gone on longer with it instead of blinking.
Berlin, Jericho.
@dfwgator
I agree. The problem is, the clock is running out on Trump's first administration. Assuming he gets re-elected, and I don't know if that's a sure thing, it's going to take, what, a decade to build? Trump will be gone and any construction will be stopped after that.
I don't think anyone should assume anything about Trump anymore. He's backpedaled on so many issues it's ridiculous. He got his royal behind spanked by a senile ole bitty. That's got to sting. His ego has to be totally crushed. I don't see him running again as I don't think he's going to chance another defeat, embarrassment and humiliation.
I can't believe he expects that people are buying into this b.s.
If it wasn't a concession then what the heck was it? On top of that Pelosi just announced that he still won't be giving the SOTU from the House. He backed down and this is what it got him. Absolutely nothing. Not a darn thing.
President TRUMP..needs to be re-elected...unless you all want to live in socialism? No, the wall is being built right now. President TRUMP wants the money, to get more of a head start. If he can receive all the money, in ONE YEARS TIME.
THAT IS THE ISSUE...MONEY TO KEEP THE WALL BEING BUIILT....TILL DONE. ANOTHER ILLEGAL CARAVAN COMING UP.
Blame the RINO'S , ROMNEY, AND DEMON-RATS,,who make his, NO PAY JOB, EVEN HARDER. 11513
My mom told me a story, that in Europe on the farm, when two horses were pulling a load, they used to beat the HARDEST WORKING horse and not the lazy one, to work harder, as they knew, the lazy one would not perform anyway! Some times they killed the horse, that was the REAL WORKER! I thought, that did not make sense, as a child. Here we are again.
BUT KEEP BEATING UP PRESIDENT. *****rollingeyes*****
President TRUMP..needs to be re-elected...unless you all want to live in socialism?
No, the wall is being built right now.
@Mesaclone
A wall would be a great, but it's not going to happen.
Your last sentence proves where you're coming from on this--"the president WILL get "his" wall." It's all about defending a politician you're far too invested in, always making sure he's blameless. If a wall were built, it would be our wall, not his.
@libertybele
Imo it comes down to the fact that Trump wasn't born the day he rode down that escalator. I think he came up with the wall thing to please his supporters and got caught in a trap of his own making.
@LegalAmerican
This is America. We beat up presidents and politicians because we can. It's healthier than idolizing them.
What happened to the first caravan? (Sincere question).
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I don't think anyone should assume anything about Trump anymore. He's backpedaled on so many issues it's ridiculous. He got his royal behind spanked by a senile ole bitty. That's got to sting. His ego has to be totally crushed. I don't see him running again as I don't think he's going to chance another defeat, embarrassment and humiliation.
I can't believe he expects that people are buying into this b.s.
If it wasn't a concession then what the heck was it? On top of that Pelosi just announced that he still won't be giving the SOTU from the House. He backed down and this is what it got him. Absolutely nothing. Not a darn thing.
OK...give me a list of all the back pedals.....You are pissed at him and NOT PELOSI?????? The Communist Pelosi ? No wonder America is in trouble, you people don't know who to support & think bashing , WRONGFULLY , the president is sport?
@LegalAmerican
This is America. We beat up presidents and politicians because we can. It's healthier than idolizing them.
What happened to the first caravan? (Sincere question).
@musiclady it's also his job to rally the people behind what he's trying to do.I think the people are behind it. The media deny us a voice. Whole web pages and youtube channels are shut down, Comments are edited, letter to the editor go into the circular file. Polls are carefully worded and sampled to give the desired result, not even a cross section of society.
I think the people are behind it. The media deny us a voice. Whole web pages and youtube channels are shut down, Comments are edited, letter to the editor go into the circular file. Polls are carefully worded and sampled to give the desired result, not even a cross section of society.
As for Congress, it has been a long time since our 'representatives' in Washington D.C. have represented us. They toss a few bones and scraps from the high table and point to those in election years, but for the most part, they couldn't care less what we think.
If they are from a GOP heavy district, they bank on voters having no other choice, and the Dems do the same in Dem heavy districts, but the Party is happening on Capitol Hill and K Street, and on junkets wherever dubbed 'factfinding missions' and such, at our expense. At least in the blowback over POTUS shutting down Pelosi's trip, the 93% add on entourage has been exposed (again, Moochelle Obama was notorious for such, but that got glossed over fast). Of course the GOPe won't fight that, they don't all fly coach, either.
@LegalAmerican
This is America. We beat up presidents and politicians because we can. It's healthier than idolizing them.
What happened to the first caravan? (Sincere question).
I think the people are behind it. The media deny us a voice. Whole web pages and youtube channels are shut down, Comments are edited, letter to the editor go into the circular file. Polls are carefully worded and sampled to give the desired result, not even a cross section of society.
As for Congress, it has been a long time since our 'representatives' in Washington D.C. have represented us. They toss a few bones and scraps from the high table and point to those in election years, but for the most part, they couldn't care less what we think.
If they are from a GOP heavy district, they bank on voters having no other choice, and the Dems do the same in Dem heavy districts, but the Party is happening on Capitol Hill and K Street, and on junkets wherever dubbed 'factfinding missions' and such, at our expense. At least in the blowback over POTUS shutting down Pelosi's trip, the 93% add on entourage has been exposed (again, Moochelle Obama was notorious for such, but that got glossed over fast). Of course the GOPe won't fight that, they don't all fly coach, either.
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For you @LegalAmerican You're doing great! :beer:
Thank you. It is rare, when people understand. :kisses2:
I am a LEGAL IMMIGRANT from Europe, who lived socialism. I ..KNOW. People on here don't. Complacent. I think I can say, SPOILED...as they think, their lovely life will continue, while bashing president TRUMP. So wrong & foolish.
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
I'm waiting for my back pedal list and promises not kept list. Did I miss them?
It is rare, when people understand.
Careful with that axe, Eugene.
What? Ax?
What? Ax?
I'm waiting for my "back pedal list" and "promises not kept" list. Did I miss them? People throw out that stuff, but can't back it up. I assume some are now researching for some? lol. Give him 8 years like they said Obama needed. Then we can talk, what was NOT DONE, USING CONGRESS & CONSTITUTION.
I need a real list.
Forget that ALL DEMON-RATS PRESIDENT KEPT NONE...AT ALL...if my president is still working on some of his promises,,very few left, most achieved in 18 months, they want to crucify him for it. Yet the NEXT PRESIDENT will be smooth talking, do NOTHING for Americans, him, her..they will LOVE because they are smooth, lying talkers. Go figure.
The biggest single reason Trump was elected was due to campaigning for "the wall" yet both parties ignore the voters over and over on this. Voters are pissed and I really don't understand how both parties can pretend otherwise.They don't care. We're pissed. So what. Tough shitsky.
@LegalAmericanYep! Here's the link to that thread. http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,233460.msg1133690.html#msg1133690 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,233460.msg1133690.html#msg1133690)
Background.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,247701.msg1217087.html#msg1217087 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,247701.msg1217087.html#msg1217087)
I think @Smokin Joe has the Trump campaign promises compilation scorecard.
Thank you. It is rare, when people understand. :kisses2:
I am a LEGAL IMMIGRANT from Europe, who lived socialism. I ..KNOW. People on here don't. Complacent. I think I can say, SPOILED...as they think, their lovely life will continue, while bashing president TRUMP. So wrong & foolish.
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
12 pages and it is amazing that some try to paint others as wanting open borders because they rightfully said they didn't buy the yarn thrown at them by an obvious Bull Shooter that promised them the moon (while having a history of being a proud NY liberal).
Reality: As far as I can tell, there wasn't a NTer that wasn't sincere in wanting a dang wall. So sincere, they saw through the obvious BS being thrown at them from a con artist flippant populist that wanted power and title more than he cared to actually achieve anything..
The role of a true conservative NTer (in my opinion) was to cheer when Trump actually achieved something on his list of promises (see Smokin Joe's list above) and to try to urge Trump to veer back in line when he strayed. The job did not include making excuses, any sort of idolatry, or making excuses when goals were missed. We knew the enemy (RINOs and Dims) were gonna win a few battles but we wanted a smart war to at least kick towards our own field goal. Instead we got a Charlie Brown, but a Charlie without the moral compass to look beyond his own twitter account tooting his own horn. We got endless investigations into a man that hired thugs as his inner circle and those that did not thug enough were fired. We got a man that basically made everyone hate him, thus nothing got accomplished. We got wasted potential and basically what America deserved...
Character matters and America has forgone the wisdom to choose Conservative leaders that can lead effectively. The high ground is lost and all that is left is for us (speaking for myself and family) to go Galt and prepare for the worse while still holding our heads up as principled voters (that were right). We don't win, America loses and we are considered lepers to be avoided by those that cling to foolishness.
All correct and people won't research. They prefer to let LEFT, LYING MEDIA tell them what to believe. Then post from that crap.
Reality: As far as I can tell, there wasn't a NTer that wasn't sincere in wanting a dang wall. So sincere, they saw through the obvious BS being thrown at them from a con artist flippant populist that wanted power and title more than he cared to actually achieve anything..
Hey TBR, how does it feel to be rooting for the same outcome as Soros – Trump’s defeat?
And the funny part – odd in a sick way – is that they know the media is spinning tales of woe about Trump, and that they’re being played by phony media lies every time the media and democrats make up a new controversy about Trump to set your hair on fire.
Yet, they don’t really care – they hate Trump just as much as Soros, the media and democrats do.
And that’s the truth.
Hey TBR, how does it feel to be rooting for the same outcome as Soros – Trump’s defeat?
How does it feel to have invested so much in a snake oil selling, three card monte dealing con artist?
And yet here we are with no new wall in sight, which just about all of us are rooting for.
Here you go .... four videos showing progress on replacing existing and failed fences with a wall and new border walls going up can be found here: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html)
@RoosGirl
Here you go .... four videos showing progress on replacing existing and failed fences with a wall and new border walls going up can be found here: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html)Isn't the $1.6 billion already earmarked for border barriers when Trump was elected paying for that?
@RoosGirl
So, Trump shut down Fed Gov for 21 days for no reason?
Here's a real question, what percentage of total wall needed does the repair and new sections cover?
So, Trump shut down Fed Gov for 21 days for no reason?
Here's a real question, what percentage of total wall needed does the repair and new sections cover?
Here you go .... four videos showing progress on replacing existing and failed fences with a wall and new border walls going up can be found here: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.0.html)
@RoosGirl
Expect a deluge of this...
(https://desertpeace.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/grasping-at-straws1.jpg)
Over the weekend, you said you were weary of repeatedly posting this. No wonder you adore Trump. Neither of you can follow through.
Absolutely not @RoosGirl The successes you didn't watch in the videos I posted were funded with the $1.6 billion from the CR in March.
We now need more money to continue building the wall. The President's sense of urgency may come from the 10,000 new "migrants" marching toward the U.S.
To answer your last question about percentages, you'll need to watch the videos some of your questions are answered there. If not, try Google.
Those videos are some hick driving in his truck along some unspecified length and location of fence. I'm not watching 15 minutes of that bullshit. If you don't know the answer to a question just say "I don't know."Without knowing the speed of the truck, you don't know how far he went, anyway.
Without knowing the speed of the truck, you don't know how far he went, anyway.
Those videos are some hick driving in his truck along some unspecified length and location of fence. I'm not watching 15 minutes of that bullshit. If you don't know the answer to a question just say "I don't know."
Well I do know the answer to that question, but I don't feel like telling you.
So far during the Trump years, some of those walls or fences have been upgraded, but no barrier extensions have been undertaken.
That will change in late February when a contractor called SLSCO will begin building six miles of all-new wall in Hidalgo County, Texas, near the McAllen-Reynosa border crossing.
Looks like @Elderberry did some good research. Turns out the hick in the truck is driving fence that is being replaced, not new fence. Total is to be 20 miles of replaced fence. Trump's new fence will be a total of 6 miles and hasn't been started yet.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.msg1902582.html#msg1902582 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,349268.msg1902582.html#msg1902582)
From the article posted by Elderberry:
Right now there’s about 650 miles of existing barriers—most of it built during the Bush and Obama administrations.
Its not about party at this point. Its about Conservatism and Socialism warring for the future of the country...and however imperfect our current brand of conservatism may be, it remains the diametric opposite of the kind of soul crushing, economy destroying, freedom ending nightmare that the Democratic party is bringing our way at hyperspeed. There is no "3rd" side in THIS battle...you either oppose this Socialist monstrosity as the President and his supporters are doing, collaborate with it as you are now doing, or sit uselessly on the sideline reveling in your own moral narcissism (which is worse than taking a side).
Your stand makes you a full on collaborator with the Pelosi-Cortz bunch...akin to a Murkowski or a Collins. You actively write and post, not with constructive criticism for Presidential policies with which you disagree, but rather you work to demean and undermine while offering no other means of resisting this Socialist Beast that the Left is launching at us.
And lets not pretend you don't hate Trump...you've gone too far and said too much for anyone here to believe such an absurd claim.
You are correct. It is as if, everyone is still a child in some old body. They are the La la la la, I can't hear you people. Undermine our country and a good president because of some JEALOUSY..... so mature. BTW being jealous is a LEFT trait.
WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM) If they have the guts to go to this site and still hate my president, there is something mentally wrong with them. Some have done those video tests, walking around, telling people what TRUMP SAID. They were appalled, filled with hate...etc. Then the interview said..."NO, TRUMP DID NOT SAY THAT. OBAMA DID, OR HILLARY DID". THAT SHOWS THE BRAINWASHING OF OUR SOCIETY by LEFT, LYING MEDIA. They were then speechless, knew not what to say. Did they say they hated Obama? NO.
PART TWO; THERE IS PART ONE, TOO, COURTESY OF RIGHT IN VIRGINIA.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xs1P1olxR4&t=10s
Sorry, that's a hard no for me after the stupid videos she posted earlier today.
I thought I posted the stupidest videos?Careful, Frank, jealousy is a Leftist trait. :nono:
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE2l6CPna4M#)
I thought I posted the stupidest videos?
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE2l6CPna4M#)
Well, yes honey, your are the stupidest, but that doesn't mean there aren't others nipping at your heels.
You are correct. It is as if, everyone is still a child in some old body. They are the La la la la, I can't hear you people. Undermine our country and a good president because of some JEALOUSY..... so mature. BTW being jealous is a LEFT trait.
WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM) If they have the guts to go to this site and still hate my president, there is something mentally wrong with them. Some have done those video tests, walking around, telling people what TRUMP SAID. They were appalled, filled with hate...etc. Then the interview said..."NO, TRUMP DID NOT SAY THAT. OBAMA DID, OR HILLARY DID". THAT SHOWS THE BRAINWASHING OF OUR SOCIETY by LEFT, LYING MEDIA. They were then speechless, knew not what to say. Did they say they hated Obama? NO.
PART TWO; THERE IS PART ONE, TOO, COURTESY OF RIGHT IN VIRGINIA.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xs1P1olxR4&t=10s
Not, Idolizing anyone. I don't watch movies. I see results and sincerity, as do some others. I've been through many presidents. I know a worker when I see one. BTW. I know what happened to the OTHER caravans...why don't you?
There are YouTube on that. President TRUMP stopped most of them. Military, barbed wire. WHY DON'T YOU KNOW?
Some went back home, some stayed in Tiajuna sp? Some got through our borders. Most did not want ASYLUM IN MEXICO even that it was offered by Mexico. So, that was not the issue. Our laws are so bad, they HELP ILLEGALS...better then American citizens!
BTW. Mexico is building a new wall too, on their side. www.magapill.com (http://www.magapill.com) Try my link. SINCERELY.
Would you say Judge Pirro is smart? And she is a senior too. About 60 years old. Maturity & experience
:silly:
Oh sh1t.
You're serious?
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@LegalAmerican
Background.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,247701.msg1217087.html#msg1217087 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,247701.msg1217087.html#msg1217087)
I think @Smokin Joe has the Trump campaign promises compilation scorecard.
Yep! Here's the link to that thread. http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,233460.msg1133690.html#msg1133690 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,233460.msg1133690.html#msg1133690)
@LegalAmerican FYI see the link.
I went there I didn't see much. Now, go to MINE..CURRENT. I saw yours, now see mine. Hit the link. www.magapill.com (http://www.magapill.com)
And the funny part – odd in a sick way – is that they know the media is spinning tales of woe about Trump, and that they’re being played by phony media lies every time the media and democrats make up a new controversy about Trump to set your hair on fire.
Yet, they don’t really care – they hate Trump just as much as Soros, the media and democrats do.
And that’s the truth.
Hey TBR, how does it feel to be rooting for the same outcome as Soros – Trump’s defeat?
Yep! Here's the link to that thread. http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,233460.msg1133690.html#msg1133690 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,233460.msg1133690.html#msg1133690)
@LegalAmerican FYI see the link.
Not. Weird. At. All.
I went there I didn't see much. Now, go to MINE..CURRENT. I saw yours, now see mine. Hit the link. www.magapill.com (http://www.magapill.com)
Careful, Frank, jealousy is a Leftist trait. :nono:
The list I am wanting for, are from the people who said president TRUMP back tracked, many times or back pedaled. THAT IS the list I wanted from those people who said that. CRICKETS. I dispelled one accusation. Then I asked what were the others. List them. NOTHING. If people are going to say things like that, I need some back up.
Well, THAT was a RACIST COMMENT! You don't know this man. Then to try and MINIMIZE a valid Video. Just like any LEFT would do. Proof was shown, then belittled. TSK.Velocity*time=distance.
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #297 on: January 28, 2019, 09:57:44 AM »
Quote from: RoosGirl on January 28, 2019, 09:23:18 AM
Those videos are some hick driving in his truck along some unspecified length and location of fence. I'm not watching 15 minutes of that bullshit. If you don't know the answer to a question just say "I don't know."
Smokin Joe;
Without knowing the speed of the truck, you don't know how far he went, anyway.
The purpose of my article (note the date) was to list what he promised during the campaign.
That is what is there.
Not much to keep up on since he can't go back in time and make more.
Velocity*time=distance.
I'm not doubting he drove past a very nice looking barrier.
Without any other reference but time, I can't tell how far he drove.
If I knew the average speed of his truck, say 30 MPH, then for every minute he drives, he drives 1/2 mile.
But, again, I don't know that speed. I can only guess.
It is simple math, but you need to fill in the blanks to work the equation.
Lock up Hitlery
My list from his site directly is on my other computer. I don't 'buy MotherJones" that is Soros funded, and dying Washington poo. What my president SAID BACK THEN WAS........Excuse me. Would you like a glass of cold water? Please sit down and take deep breaths, and let them out slowly.
WORKING WITH CONGRESS AND FOLLOWING THE CONSTITUTION...these are some of his PLANS & policy's.
Now, that NEW information has come about, regarding the wall, you all still want to hold him to rebar? BORDER PATROL
talked to president and explained what THEY needed at the border. All of his plans were CONTINGENT on congress approval and voting for his pLANS..yet a lot of people act like TRUMP should be a DICTATOR NOW, to implement his plans?
First everyone was scared, he would be a dictator, now they are upset, HE ISN'T ONE! He has achieved most of his plans, even that John McCain..."no name" a so called Republican was the one VOTE TO DESTROY TOTAL REPEAL ON OBAMCARE.
"NO NAME" voted "NO", to be spiteful. Also paid by SOROS since 2001. RUTH GINSBURG? Another spiteful old hag.
Why is my president blamed ? Congress has to come up with budgets, with budget for wall, which has other issues in it, NOT just wall funding. Our NEW McCain, RINO, Mitt Romney voted it down. There were 6 RINO'S in all.
Again, anything president TRUMP said he wants to achieve was WORKING WITH CONGRESS AND WITHIN THE CONSTITUTION. That is what he has done. Blame your HOUSE , SENATE...RINO'S not my president.
“...try to retire from the circular firing squad.â€I am to Trump's right, and considerably so.
@Smokin Joe
Supporting the president today in this atmosphere of wholesale media malpractice means having to take a defensive posture. There’s a constant stream of smears and lies in open and in subversive attacks on the administration, on Trump – and to their shame, on his family.
It permeates all news media in wave after wave. There are even threats of violence from the Left seeping into the dialogue.
So, if some of Donald Trump’s supporters seem on edge, I’d cut them some slack. We’ve got our hands full defending the Republic and knocking down misinformation from the Left – and to their shame, from the right. Those are the folks firing in the wrong direction.
But, I commend you. You’re posting, as above, is always worth reading and entirely reasonable. I can’t say I have the same regard for NT’s arguments which, in the context of the information wars, are first, too sanctimonious, and second, unhelpful in our struggles against the Left and their useful idiots in the democrat party.
Oh the Ninth Circuit has been at the top of my All American Fecal Roster as an abortion of jurisprudence for decades.
Yes, that was to Roos Girl; pointing-up
I would guess by road condition, he was going at least 30 & no more than 40 miles an hour. At one point, he goes off road, a bit and one can still see, miles upon miles of barrier. Not talking about you JOE, but seems some on here WANT INSTANT WALL. Then when shown, it is coming along, "they can't be bothered" to watch the wall being built.
President TRUMP wants it all done, NOW..not piecemeal, but, if that is all he can get DEMON-RATS to agree to at THIS TIME...he will take it, and negotiate for more later. 9th CIRCUS COURT..is stopping everything he wants to do for our safety. Why are people not upset about these LA RAZA JUDGES?
President TRUMP wants it all done, NOW..not piecemeal, but, if that is all he can get DEMON-RATS to agree to at THIS TIME...he will take it, and negotiate for more later. 9th CIRCUS COURT..is stopping everything he wants to do for our safety. Why are people not upset about these LA RAZA JUDGES?
Wasn't that when president TRUMP was just president-elect TRUMP?
I don't think he'd even signed a >1$T deficit CR at that point. Give the MAN some time.
I am to Trump's right, and considerably so.
But the election is over, and as has been said 'You fight a war with the army you have."
At this point, supporting POTUS when he is right, and reasoned opposition when he is wrong, is the course of action to take.
Blind opposition is as unreasoning as blind support.
Neither will produce an optimal outcome, all things considered.
I am to Trump's right, and considerably so.
But the election is over, and as has been said 'You fight a war with the army you have."
At this point, supporting POTUS when he is right, and reasoned opposition when he is wrong, is the course of action to take.
Blind opposition is as unreasoning as blind support.
Neither will produce an optimal outcome, all things considered.
The list I am wanting for, are from the people who said president TRUMP back tracked, many times or back pedaled. THAT IS the list I wanted from those people who said that. CRICKETS. I dispelled one accusation. Then I asked what were the others. List them. NOTHING. If people are going to say things like that, I need some back up. GO TO THIS LINK.
WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)
Trump promised to “convene a special session†of Congress as soon as he was sworn in — an idea that confounded many, as Congress was already set to be in session — so that lawmakers could “immediately repeal and replace Obamacare.†All of this would happen “very, very quickly,†he said.
I thought it was eye opening that Trump backed off Hitlery the day after he was elected. I thought it would resonate with a majority of Republicans, but it turns out most of them excused it without a second thought.
I thought it was eye opening that Trump backed off Hitlery the day after he was elected. I thought it would resonate with a majority of Republicans, but it turns out most of them excused it without a second thought.
I'm not one of those who excused it by far! ALL of the DOJ malfeasances stick in my craw and will until it is properly dealt with!I agree. Such egregious crimes cannot go unaddressed. That next of vipers needs to be cleaned thoroughly, and then hit the other agencies.
Well, THAT was a RACIST COMMENT! You don't know this man. Then to try and MINIMIZE a valid Video. Just like any LEFT would do. Proof was shown, then belittled. TSK.
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Re: Trump: Ending shutdown was ‘in no way a concession’
« Reply #297 on: January 28, 2019, 09:57:44 AM »
Quote from: RoosGirl on January 28, 2019, 09:23:18 AM
Those videos are some hick driving in his truck along some unspecified length and location of fence. I'm not watching 15 minutes of that bullshit. If you don't know the answer to a question just say "I don't know."
Smokin Joe;
Without knowing the speed of the truck, you don't know how far he went, anyway.
Psst. I don't want to panic you but you have too many periods in that post. The Grammar Police are everywhere.
I thought it was eye opening that Trump backed off Hitlery the day after he was elected. I thought it would resonate with a majority of Republicans, but it turns out most of them excused it without a second thought.
I'm not one of those who excused it by far! ALL of the DOJ malfeasances stick in my craw and will until it is properly dealt with!
@Once-Ler
HorseHillary! You can bet your butt that the DNC told Trump the day he won the election that there is no way in HELL they are going to allow him to charge and convict her of anything,and they will never cooperate with him on anything if he even tries. You may be stoopid enough to be a Dim,but even you ain't stupid enough to believe any different.
You are just lying for political gain,and like the typical Dim,don't consider lying for political gain to be wrong as long as YOU are the one doing it.
President TRUMP works 100 hour weeks for NO PAY! We the American people have saved a million dollars on that alone.
@Bigun
There was no way Trump or anyone else was going to make that happen since the entire DNC and their financial backers would have to be named as co-conspirators. Trump would have better luck flapping his arms and flying to the moon.
There is also no way you didn't understand that all along.
What *I* would like would be to see her,Bubba,and a whole BUNCH of other political creatures from both parties indicted,imprisoned,and in some cases,backed against a wall and shot for committing treason and selling their offices to the highest bidders.
Ain't going to happen though,no matter how hard I wish,so I am just going to have to be happy with any gains we can make to "Re-Americanize" America.
Untrue. Trump's salary is donated to various charities/organizations.
Trump has always said; These are his plans and WORKING WITH CONGRESS AND WITHIN THE CONSTITUTION..he hopes to achieve his agenda.
I know. HE is not taking any salary for himself. Most went back to government. Our parks service. Our school system. Then I stopped paying attention, where it went. To Veterans.
So the assertion that "We the American people have saved a million dollars on that alone" is absurd.
NO. IT MOSTLY WENT BACK TO OUR GOVERNMENT. Read links
NO. IT MOSTLY WENT BACK TO OUR GOVERNMENT. Read links
The American people...the American taxpayers weren't given any kind of savings because of the donations of Trumps salary.:beer:
That money was still spent...it wasn't returned to the people that allow his salary to be paid. There was no savings anywhere.
@Bigun
There was no way Trump or anyone else was going to make that happen since the entire DNC and their financial backers would have to be named as co-conspirators. Trump would have better luck flapping his arms and flying to the moon.
There is also no way you didn't understand that all along.
What *I* would like would be to see her,Bubba,and a whole BUNCH of other political creatures from both parties indicted,imprisoned,and in some cases,backed against a wall and shot for committing treason and selling their offices to the highest bidders.
Ain't going to happen though,no matter how hard I wish,so I am just going to have to be happy with any gains we can make to "Re-Americanize" America.
@sneakypete
If that's true then we might as well turn out the lights and lock the door because the USA wee knew is dead and gone foreer.
@Bigun
It's true. Anybody that doesn't think so believes Cinderella was a documentary.
Do YOU seriously think the political leadership of the Dim Party OR the alleged Republican Party is going to ever allow senior members to be investigated and brought up on corruption charges? Slick Willie is the closest we ever came,and the Senators refused to even go to the room to look at the evidence.
I guess I'm just having trouble coming to grips with the idea that my country is dead.
I guess I'm just having trouble coming to grips with the idea that my country is dead.
I guess I'm just having trouble coming to grips with the idea that my country is dead.
@Bigun
I ain't happy about it either,but anyone that takes a cold,unemotional look at what has been going on for the last 20 years or so HAS to come to the conclusion that America is nothing more than an illusion anymore,kept in place because certain people invested a lot of time and money into taking it over.
It is POSSIBLE for us to still get it back,but will we? I'd like to think so,but it's not something I would bet on.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER I PAY PETER OR I PAY PAUL, I'M STILL PAYING SOMEONE AND NOT SAVING A DIME.
Also, why are we shouting??
:beer:
Bigun. Mitt Romney is helping destroy America. He violates ARTICLE 12 in ARTICLE OF FAITH. LDS also support bringing in muslims, ILLEGALS. So, lets all sing 'kum by ya". LDS has compound in Mexico. Mitts dad was born there. Many still visit yearly on vacation. ALL GLOBALISTS.
Bigun. Mitt Romney is helping destroy America. He violates ARTICLE 12 in ARTICLE OF FAITH. LDS also support bringing in muslims, ILLEGALS. So, lets all sing 'kum by ya". LDS has compound in Mexico. Mitts dad was born there. Many still visit yearly on vacation. ALL GLOBALISTS.
Not trying to butt in, butt your post makes me very curious. What is Article 12 in Article of Faith?? My husband grew up in Utah and for a period of time I worked with members of the LDS church up in Alaska. I was always under the assumption that the LDS pretty much stuck together and was exclusionary. Why would they allow Muslims and illegals??
@libertybele
@LegalAmerican doesn't have the most remote clue as to what she is talking about here. None, zero, NADA.
@libertybele
@LegalAmerican doesn't have the most remote clue as to what she is talking about here. None, zero, NADA.
So the assertion that "We the American people have saved a million dollars on that alone" is absurd.
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Nope. Lets try this, and I said ALMOST one million. His salary yearly is 400 K plus 'perks. So, lets say HE POCKETED his 800 K, and still funded the Veterans , Parks Service, School system. etc. We would have PAID again from government those amounts. You and YOUR ABSURD POSTS. lol
We did not fund, Parks service , Veterans, School with more government funds, So we "saved" paying that extra money.
You just refuse to give President TRUMP any credit. 800 thousand put in his pocket and OR funding government AGAIN with that same amount, We saved 800 K....does not matter how it was spent.
IF IT WENT INTO HIS POCKET...YOU WOULD HAVE PAID FOR ALL THE REST. It would have been double expense.
800 K for his salary, (gone into his pocket so forget about that 800 K ) ADDITIONAL 800 K. funding those government agency's. 800 K salary expense. 800 K government agency expense.
You are nuttier than a port-a-potty at a peanut eating festival.
You are nuttier than a port-a-potty at a peanut eating festival.
Depends how you choose to frame things. DID ANY OF YOU PAY FOR PARKS SERVICE. NO. Give money to VETERANS? NO. YOU didn't spend YOUR MONEY...IT SAVED TAXPAYERS MONEY, NOT TO PAY FOR THOSE ITEMS.
You.just.don't.get.it.
The Parks Service...th VA...ANY taxpayer funded agency where Trump has donated his taxpayer funded salary still got their normal budget.
There's not a notation on their budgets that X amount of your budget is being reduced because the President donated $100K of his salary to your agency.
There was no net savings to the American taxpayer in any way shape or form. On top of however many millions of dollars that agency/department/service got...they received a bonus amount of $100K.
The tax payers weren't saved any money...the money they were taxed was just redirected somewhere else.
I think I'm just going to talk to you, instead, @txradioguy
You at least understand basic math.
:beer:
Edited to add: Wait, that didn't come out right. I meant to say that at least there is SOMEONE here that understands basic math, as opposed to the person I was talking to earlier. You understand a great deal more than just basic math! :laugh:
:silly:
It's ok @Polly Ticks I knew what you were trying to say.
:beer:
Yeah... at LEAST you get basic communications...
:silly: :beer: :seeya:
Apparently, I resemble that remark!
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I know basic math. If 800 k is taken from government , into a private pocket...than another 800 K is taken from government to fund our public schools, public parks, Veterans.....that is TWO expenses to us. Duh. $ 1,600,000.00 V 800 K.
TWO EXPENSES OF 800 K EACH, OR JUST ONE expense. You just don't want to give president any credit. More snarky responses?
I know basic math. If 800 k is taken from government , into a private pocket...than another 800 K is taken from government to fund our public schools, public parks, Veterans.....that is a savings to us. Duh. $ 1,600,000.00 V 800 K.
TWO EXPENSES OF 800 K EACH. You just don't want to give president any credit.
I know basic math.
More snarky responses?
OK, one last time, and then I'm done trying to explain it to you.Trump is only doing this so he can get the tax write off /SARC
The salary that Trump is donating to the VA, the Parks Service, or whoever else he chooses does not mean that the publicly funded budget for those departments are reduced by a corresponding amount. Those departments still get their approved funds. They just get a "bonus" amount from the salary that Trump donates.
The taxpayers pay the same. There is no net savings. The money that Trump receives is redirected elsewhere (and that is to his credit, for the record), but there is not a single dollar of savings to the American people, NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU USE THE CAPS LOCK. Duh.
Trump is only doing this so he can get the tax write off /SARC
By that math:
If I lend you $100, and you lend "Ted" $100 bucks, and I borrow $100 from Ted, that would mean there's $300 in total debt.
The above example is 100% snark-free.
Now you are being silly. There is NO LENDING of 800 K to president TRUMP. That is his salary. He can keep it private for himself. Then government spend ANOTHER 800 K using it for other government programs.Girl, you are a couple of dilithium crystals short of a warp core.
Your example makes zero sense. No snark.
Trump is only doing this so he can get the tax write off /SARC
Are you informationally deprived or were you born that way?
What write off? He doesn't need it. Can't 'use" it. I wish he would START taking his salary. He works 100 hour weeks & started working BEFORE his inauguration. None of the Trumps take any salary from taxpayers. Sad. NONE OF YOU APPRECIATE HIS KINDNESS. I hope he starts taking his SALARY. Then you can all be 'losers"and pay for it.
I think, they ALL SHOULD TAKE A SALARY. Never seen so much nasty about a man doing a gracious thing.
Most Americans don't deserve president Trump, nor the help of his family. Foreigners write on youtube, they wish they had a TRUMP in their country. Taiwan, Australia, France, Canada, So.Africa, Scotland, Germany, etc.
That you can't even give the man credit for this, is shameful. Nasty. Something wrong with you all, if you can't.
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OK, one last time, and then I'm done trying to explain it to you.
The salary that Trump is donating to the VA, the Parks Service, or whoever else he chooses does not mean that the publicly funded budget for those departments are reduced by a corresponding amount. Those departments still get their approved funds. They just get a "bonus" amount from the salary that Trump donates.
The taxpayers pay the same. There is no net savings. The money that Trump receives is redirected elsewhere (and that is to his credit, for the record), but there is not a single dollar of savings to the American people, NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU USE THE CAPS LOCK. Duh.
Girl, you are a couple of dilithium crystals short of a warp core.
I know you have no idea what I just said, and that proves my point.
I noticed 'lithium' in your reply. Jussayin.
Seriously are you blind and stupid did you not see the "Trump is only doing this so he can get the tax write off /SARC"
What write off? He doesn't need it. Can't 'use" it. I wish he would START taking his salary. He works 100 hour weeks & started working BEFORE his inauguration. None of the Trumps take any salary from taxpayers. Sad. NONE OF YOU APPRECIATE HIS KINDNESS. I hope he starts taking his SALARY. Then you can all be 'losers"and pay for it.
I think, they ALL SHOULD TAKE A SALARY. Never seen so much nasty about a man doing a gracious thing.
Most Americans don't deserve president Trump, nor the help of his family. Foreigners write on youtube, they wish they had a TRUMP in their country. Taiwan, Australia, France, Canada, So.Africa, Scotland, Germany, etc.
That you can't even give the man credit for this, is shameful. Nasty. Something wrong with you all, if you can't.
WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)
What write off? He doesn't need it. Can't 'use" it. I wish he would START taking his salary. He works 100 hour weeks & started working BEFORE his inauguration. None of the Trumps take any salary from taxpayers. Sad. NONE OF YOU APPRECIATE HIS KINDNESS. I hope he starts taking his SALARY. Then you can all be 'losers"and pay for it.
I think, they ALL SHOULD TAKE A SALARY. Never seen so much nasty about a man doing a gracious thing.
Most Americans don't deserve president Trump, nor the help of his family. Foreigners write on youtube, they wish they had a TRUMP in their country. Taiwan, Australia, France, Canada, So.Africa, Scotland, Germany, etc.
That you can't even give the man credit for this, is shameful. Nasty. Something wrong with you all, if you can't.
WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)
One more time. Lets say, he TAKES HIS SALARY. His private money. Does not put it back into government. HIS MONEY FOR HIS PRIVATE USE. Then, another 800 K is used by government to fund these programs.
800 K. HIS SALARY EXPENSE.
800 K GOVERNMENT FUNDING EXPENSE FOR Programs.
TWO EXPENSES.
It would be better for the country if his "family" would stay the hell out of it. Jared, Ivanka, and Donald Jr. are there to capitalize on Dad being POTUS, just like it's been done with almost every past President over the past 50-60 years.
They are all DEMOCRATS!!! Once you understand that, it's easier to look at the situation with your mind, instead of your heart.
POTUS is an 168 hour a week job, but to say he's putting in 100 hour weeks is a stretch. A good chunk of that time is watching TV and writing tweets. A reasonable person would not call that "work".
One more time. Lets say, he TAKES HIS SALARY. His private money. Does not put it back into government. HIS MONEY FOR HIS PRIVATE USE. Then, another 800 K is used by government to fund these programs.
800 K. HIS SALARY EXPENSE.
800 K GOVERNMENT FUNDING EXPENSE FOR Programs.
TWO EXPENSES.
I'm getting pretty bored with it. TBR is not ECON 101, although I see the need for some explanations because we're sure not getting it from the Press.
Let's stop the circle arguments, or I'll lock the thread. If there's one thing I dislike, it's being bored.
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I'm getting pretty bored with it. TBR is not ECON 101, although I see the need for some explanations because we're sure not getting it from the Press.
Let's stop the circle arguments, or I'll lock the thread. If there's one thing I dislike, it's being bored.
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I'm getting pretty bored with it. TBR is not ECON 101, although I see the need for some explanations because we're sure not getting it from the Press.
Let's stop the circle arguments, or I'll lock the thread. If there's one thing I dislike, it's being bored.
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Since the concepts aren't sinking in, let's try a real-world example where only the numbers are changed.
My company pays me a salary. For the purposes of illustration, let's say they pay me $800K. I choose to tithe to my church. For the purposes of illustration, let's say I tithe at 100% and give my church $800K. Just because I give $800K to my church does not, in fact, mean that my company does not pay my salary of $800K. My company has had a net savings of $0.
Spoiler alert - in the above example, my company would equate to the American taxpayers, I would play the part of Trump, and my church is the stand-in for the VA/Parks Services/anywhere else that Trump donates his salary.
You are getting confused with real savings versus opportunity costs. I will agree that the VA, Parks Department, or whoever else that Trump donates his salary to can then use that money to pay for things they might not otherwise have been able to. Just like my church can use the money I tithe to them to buy additional Christmas baskets and send missionaries to Nepal. But once more for posterity, the net savings to my company is $0. They still have an expenditure on their balance sheet for my salary, just like the taxpayers still have an expenditure for Trump's salary.
You also appear to be assuming that if Trump doesn't donate his salary and keeps it for his own personal use instead, then the government would for some reason provide an equal amount of money to those departments. And that is patently untrue. In our earlier example, if I choose not to tithe my salary and keep it in my own pocket instead, my company does not provide an amount equal to my salary to my church so we can buy Christmas baskets and send missionaries to Nepal. That's the opportunity that is lost if I keep my full salary for myself, but my company is not part of that equation.
AND SHOUTING IN ALL-CAPS OR BOLD TYPE WILL STILL NEVER CHANGE THAT FACT.
I learned a lot from this post @Polly Ticks ! Thanks! wink777
Seriously, as a semi-math challenged Briefer, who is, at the same time, educable, there have been many good explanations as to why the poster in question is wrong.
The problem is that not all wrong people are educable.......
I learned a lot from this post @Polly Ticks ! Thanks! wink777
Seriously, as a semi-math challenged Briefer, who is, at the same time, educable, there have been many good explanations as to why the poster in question is wrong.
The problem is that not all wrong people are educable.......
I thought he was yanking everybody's chain and then I realized he was serious. So .... I left the explanations and logic alone.
LOL! But the poster being schooled here isn't even close to ready for Econ. 101! Maybe 1st-grade arithmetic.
My first academic advisor was an economics professor, Dr. Erwin Graue. He was a spry 77 years old when I met him for the first time in 1972. Ask any Gonzaga alum who was there during Dr. Graue's tenure, and I'd be willing to bet my last dollar that at least 95% would recite these famous words, mimicking his pronounced German accent:
There are no free lunches!
I took his Macroeconomics class. Helluva teacher, but he could be brutal when you gave him the wrong answer. With a class size of five students, there was nowhere to hide.
Seriously are you blind and stupid did you not see the "Trump is only doing this so he can get the tax write off /SARC"
I'm getting pretty bored with it. TBR is not ECON 101, although I see the need for some explanations because we're sure not getting it from the Press.
Let's stop the circle arguments, or I'll lock the thread. If there's one thing I dislike, it's being bored.
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.................. :thumbsup: I worked 8 years in Banks & Savings & Loans. 3 years Realtor.
The cause of the S&L crisis, TARP, and housing collapse all make sense to me now.
The cause of the S&L crisis, TARP, and housing collapse all make sense to me now.
Sometimes you are really good. And this was that one time. 888high58888
All credit goes to the real hero of the story....
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The cause of the S&L crisis, TARP, and housing collapse all make sense to me now.
I wonder if this thread can last into the upcoming shutdown?
You really expect another shutdown?
Sure. Why not? Dreams can come true twice.
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Is this dumpster fire still burning??