The other time tested method of governing, has been negotiations, compromises, etc. Reagan compromised often.And where has it led us? Too far down the road to progressivism. We cannot afford, as a country, to continue to give the left even more when we've already given them so much. The time for compromise is over.
No amount of real conservative@ bellicosity, threats, wishful thinking can overcome the Constitutional requirement for a 2/3 vote to override a Constitutional Presidential veto.
Replacing Boehner, McConnell and shouting louder, and making bolder threats won't change the Constitution, so often mentioned by them.
The other time tested method of governing, has been negotiations, compromises, etc. Reagan compromised often.
And where has it led us? Too far down the road to progressivism. We cannot afford, as a country, to continue to give the left even more when we've already given them so much. The time for compromise is over.I wonder how Teddy Roosevelt and FDR got elected, way back? The times they were a' changing-over 100 years ago. We survived then, and we will survive now.
You are correct about the Constitution. But do you understand that Barry does not care about the Constitution and will do what he wants and KNOW the PUBS do not have the Ba** to stop him??? Correct , if wrong!IOW you offer the same; bellicosity, threats, etc.
Where was the threat or bellicosity in longiron's comment? I saw none.
Obama is not the first one to test the Executive powers. FDR tried to pack the Supreme Court. Nixon was accused of the Imperial Presidency.
The no balls republicans were voted in to stop Obama not to help him achieve his goal of a communist country. I hate the weak kneed republican leaders more than I do Obama since they could have stopped him they were not voted in to give in to him but that is what they are doing. I have come to the conclusion that nothing can help this country it is gone the constitution is ignored and republican leaders are at fault for this. To hell with it all I lived long enough to see our destruction I wish I hadn't but I did I am going to hibernate into my small world and ignore what corrupt politicians have done and pray for my salvation to hell with yours.
Unless the GOPe gets their crap together soon, I don't see them retaining the majority.
We see things much the same. The Republicans were given the House and the Senate because the people wanted to put a check on Obama's executive orders, amnesty in particular. Now that the Republicans have shown their hand, and it's clear they will capitulate to Obama, the people will respond appropriately.
There is little chance the Republicans will win the presidency, or hold the Senate in 2016.
And that's because the rest of the country sees the absolute intransigence of the Tea Party and wants no part of it. Everyone saw McConnell introduce the DHS funding attached to overturning Obama's EO FOUR TIMES, and four times the Democrats refused to take it up.
What is he then supposed to do? He has to put up a bill that will pass.
Defunding will not work. We've seen the GOP try it twice now, and fail. Time to do something different.
If the Tea Party idiots continue to muck up the process, THEY will be responsible for whatever happens to the GOP majority. It's the intransigence of the right wing that's causing the problems.
If the Tea Party idiots continue to muck up the process, THEY will be responsible for whatever happens to the GOP majority. It's the intransigence of the right wing that's causing the problems.
You are of course entitled to your opinion. The GOPe siding with the DEMS is what's causing the problem. Silly me. Here I thought we were a two party system.
Oh Tea Party idiots?...it was the Tea Party and other Conservatives that gave them the Senate on the promise to stop Obama...they failed..then we heard from people here to calm down and give them a chance...well we did that to and still nothing....what is that old saying..*fool me once*..etc......I can only speak for myself..I will always vote...I don't believe in sitting out elections..I will NEVER vote Dem for any office...so that will leave me no choice to vote [outside the primaries] for the Rep candidate......like I said I speak only for myself.......
Don't call TP members idiots!
You are of course entitled to your opinion. The GOPe siding with the DEMS is what's causing the problem. Silly me. Here I thought we were a two party system.
Unless the GOPe gets their crap together soon, I don't see them retaining the majority.
Why is that?
Will you vote Democrat next round?
I will.
No doubt.
That says a lot about you.
We see things much the same. The Republicans were given the House and the Senate because the people wanted to put a check on Obama's executive orders, amnesty in particular. Now that the Republicans have shown their hand, and it's clear they will capitulate to Obama, the people will respond appropriately.
There is little chance the Republicans will win the presidency, or hold the Senate in 2016.
Hey, if everyone does as I will do, then you'll get your open borders.
You're a staunch conservative, until your not. Just like your rulers in the GOPe.
I don't want open borders, you're just a liar.
You were a liar under your previous handle, and you haven't changed one bit.
I don't want open borders, you're just a liar.
You were a liar under your previous handle, and you haven't changed one bit.
Wish these types of arguments could be taken to PM.
But, I understand. You beat me to it Luis.
How can any established member here in a Republican forum EVER vote Democrat.
Personally, I'd prefer you stayed home and not vote at all.
OK. I don't want to get a time-out.
But I will say that the tea partiers continue to advocate that the Congress do the same thing, over and over.
Call that what you will.
Really? Guess what genius, I've never had another handle here.
You're obviously quick with personal attacks, but a poor, slow thinker.
Answer me this. What would be happening that's any different if the Dems were in control of Congress? Aside from this speech that no one besides political wonks and junkies will know about. LIVs won't pay attention until the country is burning to the ground.
I'm quick with the personal attack?
You're a guy in a GOP website admitting that you would for Democrats while calling others RINOs.
That tells me a lot about you, but only because you told me.
The personal attack came when you lied about my wanting open borders.
I will.I could not say such a thing. Virtually every Republican is to the right of every democrat.
I could not say such a thing. Virtually every Republican is to the right of every democrat.
I'll give you the benefit of doubt, assuming the situation makes you so angry, you can't think straight.
It kills me to watch this country die the death of a thousand cuts. Nothing gets better, it's a continual spiral to the bottom. The LIVs are oblivious. The average person doesn't care. Republicans control 2/3s of the government and are still powerless.
Right, you simply want amnesty. A difference without a distinction. Amnesty draws more illegals in search of more amnesty. A de facto open borders policy.
Rather than seek clarification, you went right to the personal attack. It's ok, I take no offense when my attacker is an impotent individual such as yourself.
If the Tea Party idiots continue to muck up the process, THEY will be responsible for whatever happens to the GOP majority. It's the intransigence of the right wing that's causing the problems.
Spare me. We tried it your way twice. Remember 2008 and 2012? How'd that work out for you? Want us to compromise more? Why? Why don't you and all those moderates compromise with us? Better still, elect your GOP Prez and Congress in 2016 without us. you obviously don't need us. You have all those moderates. And remember, the loss is on you, not us.
I see it clearly. Perhaps a bit more clearly than you do?
The R's took both chambers of Congress. What has changed?
Yes, they all find a way to vote conservative at some point when it doesn't matter. I am aware of the practice of allowing votes to stray from the fold if the member needs to prove his or her credentials. And yes, there are some R's that disagree with the current direction. But, again, what has changed? They will implement the D agenda, or ignore Obama's actions and plead that they are powerless. It's really just a spin on the liberal practice of claiming socialism really works, they just haven't done enough of it yet. The R's will react to the will of the people, they just aren't in control enough yet.
To hell with them.
The greatest conservative mind of our generation, and of many generations, examined this exact same problem, albeit in a much smaller scale, and came to the conclusion that amnesty was the only solution, because there was no way to round up and deport millions of people.
Reagan's failure was not making damned sure that securing the border happened before amnesty happened.
Today, there is no plan to deport millions more than the numbers Reagan faced. You would prefer they remain illegals (IIRC that's your position) but that's temporary. The current interpretation of the XIV Amendment says that the illegality that you would prefer disappears in one generation, since their US-born children are US citizens at birth.
If we're not going to throw them out (which we are not), then we need to account for them in one way or another.
Secure/control the borders.
Re-instate the Bracero program.
Begin a legitimization program with those illegal aliens with deep roots in this country and no criminal history.
That's simply a realistic approach, fine tuning what Reagan tried to do, and that's been my position for well over a decade.
You've been condemning this Congress since before they were sworn into office.
The greatest conservative mind of our generation, and of many generations, examined this exact same problem, albeit in a much smaller scale, and came to the conclusion that amnesty was the only solution, because there was no way to round up and deport millions of people.
Reagan's failure was not making damned sure that securing the border happened before amnesty happened.
Today, there is no plan to deport millions more than the numbers Reagan faced. You would prefer they remain illegals (IIRC that's your position) but that's temporary. The current interpretation of the XIV Amendment says that the illegality that you would prefer disappears in one generation, since their US-born children are US citizens at birth.
If we're not going to throw them out (which we are not), then we need to account for them in one way or another.
Secure/control the borders.
Re-instate the Bracero program.
Begin a legitimization program with those illegal aliens with deep roots in this country and no criminal history.
That's simply a realistic approach, fine tuning what Reagan tried to do, and that's been my position for well over a decade.
Luis, that is an entirely fair opinion, honestly held and expressed, which is shared by many of today's Republicans. I won't argue for or against it here but I know it differs fundamentally from the Democratic viewpoint of putting all of those people on the seemingly unlimited "dependency reservation" complete with unmonitored voting privileges, welfare perks, etc. If the last standing Republican has this viewpoint, I will vote for that Republican. Otherwise, as I see it, hope is gone.
It kills me to watch this country die the death of a thousand cuts. Nothing gets better, it's a continual spiral to the bottom. The LIVs are oblivious. The average person doesn't care. Republicans control 2/3s of the government and are still powerless.
To heck with it. Burn it to the ground.
I understand your frustration, but I cannot agree with the latter. So many reasons I could never vote democrat.
I work with a doctor from Ukraine, heavy Russian accent. It's a real kick talking to him.
He's very conservative. A fan of Levin, as am I. And he's very concerned about the direction America is headed. He can't understand how we possibly could have voted for Obama twice – a communist – in America!
You get an interesting perspective talking with someone who's lived under communism. He tells me he knows he may speak openly in criticizing Obama here.
But, he also said that in Russia today any criticism of Putin is whispered "in the kitchen or the bathroom." The fear of speaking out is palpable. Even Catholic priests have been recruited by the KGB to inform about things heard in the confessional. Phone lines are tapped. Letters are opened.
I could never vote Democrat. They would head us down that same road.
Once again, your memory is faulty, or you simply enjoy attacking me. Either way, you should check yourself.
I was gleefully surprised that the R's took the Senate. I didn't think it would happen. I said I'd give them time to be seated, and actually do things before I'd begin throwing rocks.
They've done some things, and the rocks are being pitched.
I understand your frustration, but I cannot agree with the latter. So many reasons I could never vote democrat.
I work with a doctor from Ukraine, heavy Russian accent. It's a real kick talking to him.
He's very conservative. A fan of Levin, as am I. And he's very concerned about the direction America is headed. He can't understand how we possibly could have voted for Obama twice – a communist – in America!
You get an interesting perspective talking with someone who's lived under communism. He tells me he knows he may speak openly in criticizing Obama here.
But, he also said that in Russia today any criticism of Putin is whispered "in the kitchen or the bathroom." The fear of speaking out is palpable. Even Catholic priests have been recruited by the KGB to inform about things heard in the confessional. Phone lines are tapped. Letters are opened.
I could never vote Democrat. They would head us down that same road.
You - I haven't given up on the newly elected Republican Congress. I said I'd give them 6 months to a year. However, the early returns aren't good. I've already heard Republicans saying they can't do much with both chambers, but give them the presidency and Congress, and then they'll make things happen. Ugh. 12/17/2014
You hadn't given up on a GOP Congress weeks before they'd been sworn in.
Say what you want or even call me unpatriotic or whatever, but I refuse to vote for someone who I do no feel is qualified for the job. I am tired of voting for the lesser of the two evils. I will not vote for Christie, Bush, Rubio, and the like. It is way past time to vote with our conscious and NOT vote strictly because of party. The conservative party that I voted for long ago seems to no longer exist. Why is that? Because too many of the GOPe have this mindset that if they are more moderate they will appeal to more voters. Sorry, but I am one that doesn't agree. The reason that the GOPe doesn't attract more voters is because they have lost their conservative way based on the principles upon which this country was founded and have allowed the slow dismantling of our Constitution over time all in the name of political correctness!You still haven't cited the specific policies and actions taken by Bush as Governor of your state, that you oppose.
Seriously? Your comprehension skills are that bad? You're wrong time after time, so like some OCD pre-pubescent you're trying to goad me into just telling you to go do something impossible with yourself?
What does "haven't given up mean"? Maybe English is your second language so it escapes you?
I was complaining that the early rhetoric from Republicans matched their current performance. I said I'd give them 6 months, I gave them 2. But, they were in a hurry to show me they weren't going to do anything but capitulate.
I'm flattered you felt a need to search my posts, I only wish that you had the ability to understand what you read.
If you can describe my position as advocating open borders, then I can call yours condemning.
You're a child, incapable of serious thought, or real contribution.
That's a pretty sad statement, Relic.
You absolutely know that's not true. In fact, leveled at Luis, it only makes it more ludicrous.
And if I know it....pretty near everybody else does too.
So, are you saying that if even you can perceive something, anyone can, (or should)? So, wouldn't that make any assertion you make suspect because of the context you previously laid out?
Have you followed the thread? According to the poster you're so anxious to defend, I'm a liar, I'm on my second handle, I'm in favor of mass deportations, and I was condemning the new Congress before they were seated, (all incorrect).
Hey, if that's the kind of deep thinker you value, it's ok. There are plenty of similar deep thinkers in the GOPe, so you can be comfortable voting for them.
"... you'll get your open borders."
You're a staunch conservative, untilyour(sp) you're not.
Just like your rulers in the GOPe.
Designed by patriots,
run by traitors.
No amount of real conservative@ bellicosity, threats, wishful thinking can overcome the Constitutional requirement for a 2/3 vote to override a Constitutional Presidential veto.
Replacing Boehner, McConnell and shouting louder, and making bolder threats won't change the Constitution, so often mentioned by them.
The other time tested method of governing, has been negotiations, compromises, etc. Reagan compromised often.
With all due respect, the personal insults and ad hominems are getting tiresome.
So are the surrender monkeys!
You're a guy in a GOP website admitting that you would for Democrats while calling others RINOs.
That tells me a lot about you, but only because you told me.
The personal attack came when you lied about my wanting open borders.
I will never vote for a democrat but I also won't vote for a democrat clothed as a republican imposter. I will vote my conscience and do a write in or vote another party and that is what a patriot would do and that is what I will do. Most of you here are not what I always knew as a true republican when I worked for the republican party you are way way to liberal. Times don't change as much as you think they do and neither should the party. Replacing Bonehead and mcconnell and their lap boys would change things a lot.
P.S. I do hope that you will forgive my correction. I'm a stickler for grammar and spelling.
With all due respect, the personal insults and ad hominems are getting tiresome.
You're a child.
I sincerely wish you get exactly what I think you deserve.
Agree.
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You're a child.
I sincerely wish you get exactly what I think you deserve.
Luis wrote above (regarding Relic):
[[ You've been condemning this Congress since before they were sworn into office. ]]
So did I, probably before anyone else in this forum.
And, to date, the new "Republican" Congress is behaving exactly as I predicted!
How many times will us Charlie Browns be taken?
How many election cycles of useless Democrats and Republicans need to pass before people finally realize we need more parties?
Go ahead and start one. I'm sure you'll get a room full of people following you and all of you will convince yourselves that there are just millions of Americans out there dying to hang on your every word.
History is against you, but you're welcome to try.
Go ahead and start one. I'm sure you'll get a room full of people following you and all of you will convince yourselves that there are just millions of Americans out there dying to hang on your every word.
History is against you, but you're welcome to try.
The only other solution is to tear down our government and start from the bottom. You won't correct the problems we face from within the main party, but you're welcome to try.
And a third party hasn't been viable for 160 years.
France has done so well in their multiple Party system.
How about the Weimar Republic?
I believe there were 25+ political parties in place creating a divided and weal Reichstag.
The GOP's minority right wing wants to control the Party by threatening to withdraw its support and ceding control over to the left if the majority of the Party does not embrace their agenda.
The GOP is divided and weak as a result of the actions of its minority wing.
Dex4974 senses chum in the water. This is where his type tries to divide the GOP even further.
The only other solution is to tear down our government and start from the bottom. You won't correct the problems we face from within the main party, but you're welcome to try.
THAT'S the strategy, it seems. :shrug:
Are you so sure a Republican land slide will result in the changes we all want to see happen?
The only 'changes' that I want to see is a 180 degree reversal of whatever Obama did. Every Executive Order rescinded. Free market healthcare restored.
Do you think all of that will happen when the Republicans are in control? Will your interests be properly represented?
I can't even be disappointed; I just feel bad for you.
Why, because I pegged you from the start? :shrug:
No, because you will spend the rest of your life seeing the world in black and white.
What a lot of people here don't realize is believe it or not a lot of people on the left are disgusted and put off by the Democrats as well. Similar to people here they vote for their Democrat representatives out of fear that if they don't the Republicans will dominate. The Democrat and Republican parties are controlled by the same elites, so it doesn't matter who wins a Democrat vs Republican ticket. A shift to alternative parties would involve many on the right and on the left.What I see among my dimocrat friends is that they are disgusted and put off but they blame the republicans.
I live in the gray regions. I also know your act here. It's so predictable, and I'm a bit baffled why the mods here can't see it.
Interesting turn to this thread.
However, what people are forgetting is that we are laboring under a new paradigm. A first ever black president in a minority black nation hypersensitive about race because of a racial legacy of slavery and segregation.
A white president acting this lawlessly – as Obama clearly is – would've been impeached long ago by a Congress unhampered by political correctness. And as I've said many times before, political correctness will be the death of America.
Good point. I guess I must not be racist enough, because I often forget Obama is black, but I never forget that he's a Marxist and a muslim supporter.
The Democrats are exploiting what they always have used, identity politics. The next president will be a Democrat woman, and the Republicans won't dare stand in the way of the first woman president.
Political correctness started out as being incredibly silly, something no one would ever take seriously. Who would have guessed it would be the demise of a great nation?
Interesting turn to this thread.
However, what people are forgetting is that we are laboring under a new paradigm. A first ever black president in a minority black nation hypersensitive about race because of a racial legacy of slavery and segregation.
A white president acting this lawlessly – as Obama clearly is – would've been impeached long ago by a Congress unhampered by political correctness. And as I've said many times before, political correctness will be the death of America.
1. Violating the United Nations Charter by launching an illegal "War of Aggression" against Iraq without cause, using fraud to sell the war to Congress and the public, misusing government funds to begin bombing without Congressional authorization, and subjecting our military personnel to unnecessary harm, debilitating injuries, and deaths.
2. Violating U.S. and international law by authorizing the torture of thousands of captives, resulting in dozens of deaths, and keeping prisoners hidden from the International Committee of the Red Cross.
3. Violating the Constitution by arbitrarily detaining Americans, legal residents, and non-Americans, without due process, without charge, and without access to counsel.
4. Violating the Geneva Conventions by targeting civilians, journalists, hospitals, and ambulances, and using illegal weapons, including white phosphorous, depleted uranium, and a new type of napalm.
5. Violating U.S. law and the Constitution through widespread wiretapping of the phone calls and emails of Americans without a warrant.
6. Violating the Constitution by using "signing statements" to defy hundreds of laws passed by Congress.
7. Violating U.S. and state law by obstructing honest elections in 2000, 2002, 2004, and 2006.
8. Violating U.S. law by using paid propaganda and disinformation, selectively and misleadingly leaking classified information, and exposing the identity of a covert CIA operative working on sensitive WMD proliferation for political retribution.
9. Subverting the Constitution and abusing Presidential power by asserting a "Unitary Executive Theory" giving unlimited powers to the President, by obstructing efforts by Congress and the Courts to review and restrict Presidential actions, and by promoting and signing legislation negating the Bill of Rights and the Writ of Habeas Corpus.
10. Gross negligence in failing to assist New Orleans residents after Hurricane Katrina, in ignoring urgent warnings of an Al Qaeda attack prior to Sept. 11, 2001, and in increasing air pollution causing global warming.
Charging
George H.W.Bush, J. Danforth Quayle, James Baker,
Richard Cheney, William Webster, Colin Powell,
Norman Schwarzkopf and Others to be named
With
Crimes Against Peace, War Crimes, Crimes Against
Humanity and Other Criminal Acts and High Crimes in
Violation of the Charter of the United Nations,
International Law, the Constitution of the United States
and Laws made in Pursuance Thereof.
Only the United States could have carried out this destruction of Iraq, and the war was conducted almost exclusively by the United States. This conduct violated the UN Charter, the Hague and Geneva Conventions, the Nuremberg Charter, and the laws of armed conflict.
The conduct violates Protocol I Additional, Article 51.4 to the Geneva Conventions of 1977.
The conduct violates Protocol I Additional, Article 56, to the Geneva Convention, 1977.
The conduct violates the Charter of the United Nations and the Constitution and laws of the United States.
The conduct violates the Constitution and laws of the United States, all committed to engage in the other impeachable offenses set forth in this Complaint.
12. The United States waged war on the environment.
As a result of these acts, thousands of people died, many more suffered illness and permanent injury. As a single illustration, Iraq consumed infant milk formula at a rate of 2,500 tons per month during the first seven months of 1990. From November 1, 1990, to February 7, 1991, Iraq was able to import only 17 tons. Its own productive capacity was destroyed. Many Iraqis believed that President Bush intended that their infants die because he targeted their food supply. The Red Crescent Society of Iraq estimated 3,000 infant deaths as of February 7, 1991, resulting from infant milk formula and infant medication shortages.
The American people and their democratic institutions were deprived of information essential to sound judgment and were regimented, despite profound concem, to support a major neocolonial intervention and war of aggression. The principal purpose of the First Amendment to the United States was to assure the press and the people the right to criticize their government with impunity. This purpose has been effectively destroyed in relation to U.S. military aggression since the press was denied access to assaults on Grenada, Libya, Panama and, now on a much greater scale, against Iraq.
This conduct violates the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States and is part of a pattern of conduct intended to create support for conduct constituting crimes against peace and war crimes.
The members of the International War Crimes Tribunal, meeting in New York, have carefully considered the Initial Complaint of the Commission of Inquiry dated May 6, 1991 against President George H. W. Bush, Vice President J. Danforth Quayle, Secretary of Defense Richard Cheney, Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf Commander of the Allied Forces in the Persian Gulf, and others named in the Complaint charging them with nineteen separate crimes against peace, war crimes, and crimes against humanity in violation of the Charter of the United Nations, the 1949 Geneva Conventions, the First Protocol thereto, and other international agreements and customary international law:
having the right and obligation as citizens of the world to sit in judgment regarding violations of international humanitarian law;
having heard the testimony from various Commissions of Inquiry hearings held within their own countries and/or elsewhere during the past year and having received reports from numerous other Commission hearings which recite the evidence there gathered;
having been provided with documentary evidence, eyewitness statements, photos, videotapes, special reports, expert analyses and summaries of evidence available to the Commission; having access to all evidence, knowledge, and expert opinion in the Commission files or available to the Commission;
having been provided by the Commission, or elsewhere obtained, various books, articles, and other written materials on various aspects of events and conditions in the Persian Gulf and military and arms establishments;
having considered newspaper coverage, magazine and periodical reports, special publications, T.V., radio, and other media coverage and public statements by the accused, other public officials and other public materials;
having heard the presentations of the Commission of Inquiry in public hearing on February 29, 1992, the testimony and evidence there presented; and having met, considered and deliberated with each other and with Commission staff and having considered all the evidence that is relevant to the nineteen charges of criminal conduct alleged in the Initial Complaint make the following findings.
Findings
The members of the International War Crimes Tribunal finds each of the named accused Guilty on the basis of the evidence against them and that each of the nineteen crimes alleged in the Initial Complaint, attached hereto, has been established to have been committed beyond a reasonable doubt.
The members believe that it is imperative if there is ever to be peace that power be accountable for its criminal acts and we condemn in the strongest possible terms those found guilty of the charges herein. We urge the Commission of Inquiry and all people to act on recommendations developed by the Commission to hold power accountable and to secure social justice on which lasting peace must be based.
Recommendations
The Members urge the immediate revocation of all embargoes, sanctions and penalties against Iraq because they constitute a continuing crime against humanity.
The Members urge public action to prevent new aggressions by the United States threatened against Iraq, Libya, Cuba, Haiti, North Korea, Pakistan and other countries and the Palestine people; fullest condemnation of any threat or use of military technology against life, both civilian and military, as was used by the United States against the people of Iraq.
The Members urge that the power of the United Nations Security Council, which was blatantly manipulated by the U.S. to authorize illegal military action and sanctions, be vested in the General Assembly; that all permanent members be removed and that the right of veto be eliminated as undemocratic and contrary to the basic principles of the U.N. Charter.
The Members urge the Commission to provide for the permanent preservation of the reports, evidence, and materials gathered to make them available to others, and to seek ways to provide the widest possible distribution of the truth about the U.S. assault on Iraq.
Charges of Other Countries
In accordance with the last paragraph of the Initial Complaint designated Scope of Inquiry, the Commission has gathered substantial evidence of criminal acts by governments and individual officials in addition to those formally presented here. Formal charges have been drafted by some Commissions of Inquiry against other governments in addition to the United States. Those charges have not been acted upon here. The Commission of Inquiry or any of its national components may choose to pursue such other charges at some future time. The Members urge all involved to exert their utmost effort to prevent recurrences of violations by other governments that were not considered here.
Dex wrote above:
[[ Are you so sure a Republican land slide will result in the changes we all want to see happen? ]]
Folks, got to admit Dex hit a good one here.
We JUST HAD a "Republican landslide" only a few months ago.
How much has really changed?
They took office two months ago.
How much change did you expect in eight weeks?
They took office two months ago.
How much change did you expect in eight weeks?
Keep doing the same thing over and over and EXPECT different results. That IS THE answer, WE ALL JUST KEEP MISSING THE point??? DAMM CONSERVATIVES!!!! :beer:
When is the last time Republicans notably reduced spending or the size of our government?
When is the last time Republicans notably reduced spending or the size of our government?
How much change did you expect to see in two months?
It's a legitimate question.
This is a partial listing of what the GOP accomplished in December that fits your question:
They established no new funding for Obamacare.
They blocked funding of the risk corridors that, under the Affordable Care Act, could lead to a government bailout of the insurance companies.
They maintained all the existing pro-life policy and funding provisions and added three more while cutting the funds for the Independent Payment Advisory Board (which is the body that would be recommending any rationing of health care) by $10 million.
They cut funding for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency by $60 million, which is the fifth consecutive year the agency’s budget has been cut and may finally convince the bureaucrats who run the place they cannot go beyond what they are legally authorized to do without congressional approval.
They cut the allocation of federal dollars to the IRS by $345.6 million, prohibiting it from targeting organizations because of the way they chose to exercise their First Amendment rights or on an ideological basis, punishes it for its profligate abuse of taxpayer dollars on expensive, needless videos and conferences at luxury resorts, and prohibits the White House from ordering the review of any organization's tax exempt status.
So, in response to your question... last December.
So, in response to your question... last December.
This might sound absurd to you, but those figures are relatively small fry in the scope of things. I don't consider any of that a notable cut to government size or spending.
Moving the post?
You placed no caveats on your question.
NOPE! Reductions in the rate of growth don't count!
I did say notable in my post, but perhaps I should have specified more. The 2015 federal budget will be about 4 trillion dollars; how are the Republicans planning on making a dent in that number?
There are more posts critical of the GOP in this forum than there are of the Democrats.
I highly doubt that.
What would you suggest that they do?
You want to know how they will make a "dent" but you also said that @ half a billion in cuts is nothing.
Define a "dent".
Nothing there says that those are reductions in the rate of growth.
The point is that you are all pretty much anti GOP, all posting in a GOP forum, and no matter what the GOP does, you all pounce on them.
There are more posts critical of the GOP in this forum than there are of the Democrats.
If Sun Tzu is correct and the enemy of my enemy is my friend, then many here are friends of the DNC.
The undying loyalty to the Republican party is the flip side of all those people who worship Obama without regard to his performance in office.
It's pragmatism and my belief that the GOP is the best available option to me at this time.
Too bad you have no choice but to vote for the lesser of two bad options.
Too bad you have no choice but to vote for the lesser of two bad options.
That's your opinion.
Others see dropping out of the political system either by not voting, or by wasting their efforts with an empty, symbolic vote for some obscure minority Party or politician with zero chance of having any impact on anything as their best option.
Having no record of governance to judge their chosen Party/politicians, those people always get to take the high road since they can always claim that their party/guy would have been better.
Many here believe that Ted Cruz is the solution to all that is wrong, but his record is the same record of the GOP.
The difference between the two are speeches.
That's the problem. Everyone seems to think that we don't have another option, but we do. Third Party candidates. Do some research on the various different third parties ... get involved ... support them ... vote! If we could get all the disgruntled GOP/DEM/Independent voters to do so, I am confident we could seat a 3rd party in the oval office.
I particularly like and am a supporter of the Constitution Party.
http://www.constitutionparty.com/
Under your criteria, the Republican Party would have been stillborn in 1856, and Lincoln wouldn't have been on the ballot in 1860.
Barack Obama won with nearly 70 million votes in 2012. That same year the Constitution Party got less than 125,000 votes.
Luis wrote above:
[[ Then again, this is not 1856, is it? ]]
No, but if things keep going the way they're going in this country, we could be getting closer to "1861"...
You just aren't getting it. Yes, everyone is well aware that in the past 3rd parties have lost because people have always voted for "party" rather than the best candidate. IF people were to vote their conscious things might be a whole lot different. It is time to tell both parties to pack sand; we do have alternatives.
I always vote when I'm conscious.I haven't been conscious since 1775, or is it 1856, or 1861 ?
I always vote when I'm conscious.:laugh:The people on this forum are...well...and incredible source of humor.
I always vote when I'm conscious.