The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on August 15, 2017, 08:32:35 pm
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Trump: Both Sides Deserve Blame in Charlottesville Deaths
Tuesday, 15 Aug 2017 04:17 PM
Breaking:
President Donald Trump on Tuesday said both sides were to blame in the clashes in Virginia over the weekend, adding that protesters on the political left violently attacked white nationalists rallying against a decision to remove a Confederate statue.
Trump had been sharply criticized for his initial comments blaming "many sides" for the violence in Charlottesville, but on Monday had explicitly condemned right-wing racist elements.
"They came at each other with clubs ... it was a horrible thing to watch," Trump told reporters in response to questions in the lobby of Trump Tower, before adding that left-wing protesters "came violently attacking the other group."
more
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-charlottesville-both-sides/2017/08/15/id/807820/
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I hope you all had a chance to watch this presser.
POTUS was very good talking down and lecturing the MSM although it won't be reported as such.
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I hope you all had a chance to watch this presser.
POTUS was very good talking down and lecturing the MSM although it won't be reported as such.
Right up there with his speech in Poland as far as clarity, coherence and staying on message.
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I agree with a lot of his messages, but... as President he shouldn't be saying them. This will just further divide the country.
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I agree with a lot of his messages, but... as President he shouldn't be saying them. This will just further divide the country.
I don't see how it can be any further divided.
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I don't see how it can be any further divided.
Oh it can. Trump probably just doubled antifa's membership.
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One highlight was taking a shot at McCain over his kill vote on repeal.
In response to a question of how he thought infrastructure bill would pass if health bill did not.
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Oh it can. Trump probably just doubled antifa's membership.
That's the media doing that.
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That's the media doing that.
They're complicit, but Trump walked right into their trap.
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I hope you all had a chance to watch this presser.
POTUS was very good talking down and lecturing the MSM although it won't be reported as such.
Stronger audio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c3IQUnyGps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c3IQUnyGps
@mystery-ak
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They're complicit, but Trump walked right into their trap.
What are you supposed to do when the media is making the Antifas out to be the second-coming of "The White Rose"?
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They're complicit, but Trump walked right into their trap.
Trap? Trump actually eviscerated those monomaniacs.
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What are you supposed to do when the media is making the Antifas out to be the second-coming of "The White Rose"?
Had he prepared, he could have skillfully played the media, but yet again, they played him like a fiddle.
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I agree with a lot of his messages, but... as President he shouldn't be saying them. This will just further divide the country.
I disagree. He was absolutely spot on. He's calling it as he sees it without a whole lot of bias. The alt LEFT was just as guilty and the MSM FAILED as usual to report that information.
President Trump has backbone and is not afraid to stand up to the alt left and the MSM and also not afraid to stand up to the alt right. It's about time. This country needs someone with a backbone.
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Had he prepared, he could have skillfully played the media, but yet again, they played him like a fiddle.
Who listens to the MSM these days and actually believes anything that they report?
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Thanks for the video RIV.
Welcome @libertybele ^-^
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Trap? Trump actually eviscerated those monomaniacs.
Yes, yes he did.
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Oh it can. Trump probably just doubled antifa's membership.
Like Churchill doubled Nazi membership. If only Winnie had shut up!
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Stronger audio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c3IQUnyGps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c3IQUnyGps
@mystery-ak
Thanks for the link. I watched it. Gotta say, Trump was masterful and I agreed with everything he said.
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I disagree. He was absolutely spot on. He's calling it as he sees it without a whole lot of bias. The alt LEFT was just as guilty and the MSM FAILED as usual to report that information.
President Trump has backbone and is not afraid to stand up to the alt left and the MSM and also not afraid to stand up to the alt right. It's about time. This country needs someone with a backbone.
President Trump is totally the person who should be making this message. Who else if not the President and, I was impressed. Maybe he should appoint himself press secretary.
It's strange because we see two different Trumps. We see the man who made this speech, the man who stood by his viewpoint, who never got angry but did not let the press intimidate or bully him but continued to make his points.
If only this were the only Trump we see. I really wish it were. But there is a little demon inside him that take over at 3 AM and does damage to all the good things he does.
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Trap? Trump actually eviscerated those monomaniacs.
Yes, he absolutely did!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA8M13AEYr0
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Who listens to the MSM these days and actually believes anything that they report?
You must have seen a different speech.
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You must have seen a different speech.
Sorry, I meant the post for the Weird guy.
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President Trump is totally the person who should be making this message. Who else if not the President and, I was impressed. Maybe he should appoint himself press secretary.
It's strange because we see two different Trumps. We see the man who made this speech, the man who stood by his viewpoint, who never got angry but did not let the press intimidate or bully him but continued to make his points.
If only this were the only Trump we see. I really wish it were. But there is a little demon inside him that take over at 3 AM and does damage to all the good things he does.
Well, maybe at 3 .am. he's kept awake by all the b.s. that's being thrown at him. Not giving him a pass, but on this issue he should be given tremendous credit. He waited till he had the facts to fully comment.
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Sorry, I meant the post for the Weird guy.
Not a problem; I, myself have blocked the Weird guy, though comments do show up in other's posts sometimes.
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Well, maybe at 3 .am. he's kept awake by all the b.s. that's being thrown at him. Not giving him a pass, but on this issue he should be given tremendous credit. He waited till he had the facts to fully comment.
I agree. And I probably shouldn't have even brought the tweet thing up after a triumph like that amazing presser.
I just admired him so much in that press conference that it made me wish he could be like that all the time.
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Not a problem; I, myself have blocked the Weird guy, though comments do show up in other's posts sometimes.
I blocked him also. He makes rude personal comments and probably should be given some time outs by the mods.
But I decided to unblock everyone for a while and see what happens.
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Maybe it's the water in Queens but I'd treat the press with the same disrespect.
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...."You also had some very fine people on both sides.
"You had people – and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, they should be condemned totally – you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists," Trump said as the exchange grew more intense. "The press has treated them absolutely unfairly.
"In the other group also, you had some fine people .....
The only 'very fine people' I saw in all that were the EMT workers trying to save lives and help the injured.
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Trump did very well here.
The press, as usual, covered themselves with manure.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/kristindonnelly/status/897551033743921152/photo/1
Reaction of Chief of Staff John Kelly to Trump remarks. Allegedly, Trump was not supposed to take questions. Obviously, he was not pleased – but he's the one that works at the pleasure of the president.
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On Fox Special Report tonight Ingraham and Krauthammer almost were shouting at each other. I'm usually on the side of the good doctor on most issues, but he was attempting to say Trump didn't really mean what he said about putting aside violence and loving your fellow citizens. He heavily criticized Trump for not condemning Nazis and WNs two days ago.
Ingraham's blood began to boil and she berated Charles for thinking he knew what's in Trump's heart. It got pretty testy.
I tended to agree with Ingraham that Trump's original statement was satisfactory....and I'm no big fan of Trump.
Whatever issues I have with Trump, he seemed sincere both times. If he didn't say anything, he would have been blasted. After his original statement he explicitly condemned Nazis and their ilk. Actually, he had dismissed David Duke last year.
The bigger problem which Charles missed is that the media is attempting to make it seem all the violence is coming from the right when most of it has come from the left. Conservatives were getting attacked and shouted down before Trump was running for president.
The media is trying to get Trump to admit that he is causing all the violence...which is not true. Trump said some unfortunate things during the campaign, but in all the cases he was directing his remarks at people disrupting his speeches. He never told people to go out and attack political opponents.
I'll criticize Trump when he's wrong, but I don't think he was wrong this time.
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On Fox Special Report tonight Ingraham and Krauthammer almost were shouting at each other. I'm usually on the side of the good doctor on most issues, but he was attempting to say Trump didn't really mean what he said about putting aside violence and loving your fellow citizens. He heavily criticized Trump for not condemning Nazis and WNs two days ago.
Ingraham's blood began to boil and she berated Charles for thinking he knew what's in Trump's heart. It got pretty testy.
I tended to agree with Ingraham that Trump's original statement was satisfactory....and I'm no big fan of Trump.
Whatever issues I have with Trump, he seemed sincere both times. If he didn't say anything, he would have been blasted. After his original statement he explicitly condemned Nazis and their ilk. Actually, he had dismissed David Duke last year.
The bigger problem which Charles missed is that the media is attempting to make it seem all the violence is coming from the right when most of it has come from the left. Conservatives were getting attacked and shouted down before Trump was running for president.
The media is trying to get Trump to admit that he is causing all the violence...which is not true. Trump said some unfortunate things during the campaign, but in all the cases he was directing his remarks at people disrupting his speeches. He never told people to go out and attack political opponents.
I'll criticize Trump when he's wrong, but I don't think he was wrong this time.
Anymore I think Charles has become irrelevant and yes I agree, the violence, accusations, biased reporting ad fake news seems to be coming predominately from the left. The left has no message of their own other than to counter the right.
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What are you supposed to do when the media is making the Antifas out to be the second-coming of "The White Rose"?
Wait until the corpse of Heather is cold. Trump is so damn stupid. All he had to do was say I've already condemned the KKK...next question, but he can't, because he is stupid and vain, and he can't say he made a mistake and he can't let anybody say he made a mistake.
So enjoy your reach around from David Duke Mr. President...you deserve it.
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In politics and comedy timing is everything. The time to condemn the BLM is when they kill somebody. The time to condemn the alt-right is when they kill somebody.
Epic Fail. sad
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Wait until the corpse of Heather is cold. Trump is so damn stupid. All he had to do was say I've already condemned the KKK...next question, but he can't, because he is stupid and vain, and he can't say he made a mistake and he can't let anybody say he made a mistake.
So enjoy your reach around from David Duke Mr. President...you deserve it.
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In politics and comedy timing is everything. The time to condemn the BLM is when they kill somebody. The time to condemn the alt-right is when they kill somebody.
Epic Fail. sad
So all Antifa has to do to remain off limits is to keep clubbing, punching and tossing urine at people exercising their right of free speech. Not to mention breaking windows, setting cars on fire and generally destroying property.
Just don't kill anybody.
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So all Antifa has to do to remain off limits is to keep clubbing, punching and tossing urine at people exercising their right of free speech. Not to mention breaking windows, setting cars on fire and generally destroying property.
Just don't kill anybody.
Exactly - their only purpose and reason for existence is to arrive at these events and cause problems.
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Thank you Mr. President. That is your wisest, most courageous statement as POTUS.
My opinion of you just went up 2 notches.
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I agree with a lot of his messages, but... as President he shouldn't be saying them. This will just further divide the country.
There is no reconciliation possible with Antifa, BLM, and the lefist goons we are at war with. Or with KKK for that matter.
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The only 'very fine people' I saw in all that were the EMT workers trying to save lives and help the injured.
I believe he was talking about the previous night when some people were protesting the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee. I would protest that also. It's ridiculous.
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On Fox Special Report tonight Ingraham and Krauthammer almost were shouting at each other. I'm usually on the side of the good doctor on most issues, but he was attempting to say Trump didn't really mean what he said about putting aside violence and loving your fellow citizens. He heavily criticized Trump for not condemning Nazis and WNs two days ago.
Ingraham's blood began to boil and she berated Charles for thinking he knew what's in Trump's heart. It got pretty testy.
I tended to agree with Ingraham that Trump's original statement was satisfactory....and I'm no big fan of Trump.
Whatever issues I have with Trump, he seemed sincere both times. If he didn't say anything, he would have been blasted. After his original statement he explicitly condemned Nazis and their ilk. Actually, he had dismissed David Duke last year.
The bigger problem which Charles missed is that the media is attempting to make it seem all the violence is coming from the right when most of it has come from the left. Conservatives were getting attacked and shouted down before Trump was running for president.
The media is trying to get Trump to admit that he is causing all the violence...which is not true. Trump said some unfortunate things during the campaign, but in all the cases he was directing his remarks at people disrupting his speeches. He never told people to go out and attack political opponents.
I'll criticize Trump when he's wrong, but I don't think he was wrong this time.
Good post and I was also annoyed with Krauthammer about his take on this. Sometimes I like him but he can be insufferable when he gets on a cause.
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I believe he was talking about the previous night when some people were protesting the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee. I would protest that also. It's ridiculous.
Gotcha... the previous night... I think they were just 'very fine people' waiving their hands in the air like they just don't care sponsored by the tiki torch business or something like that. And the banners and logos, why those were just something to do with their favorite sports team.
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Yep, bunch of fine people..
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So all Antifa has to do to remain off limits is to keep clubbing, punching and tossing urine at people exercising their right of free speech. Not to mention breaking windows, setting cars on fire and generally destroying property.
Just don't kill anybody.
Is that what happened skeeter last Saturday? Who got clubbed? Who got punched? Who got urine soaked? Cause I missed those stories. I heard about who got dead, and who got runned over.
I didn't hear President Trump talk about those. If they are true then maybe he realizes how petty and infantile equating a urine bomb is with crushing a living being with a car.
again timing is everything.
If Trump hated nazis, and nazis do something bad, and Trump disassociating himself from nazis is simple( and second nature because the Media tried to pull this crap on him many times)...but it take huge pressure and days to get Trump to condemn nazis specifically...and the very next day he qualifies his condemnation...
Well I'm just glad this albatross is hanging around the necks of the spineless Republican's who failed America.
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Yep, bunch of fine people..
That statement was cringe worthy...he was doing fantastic until he said that.
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Is that what happened skeeter last Saturday? Who got clubbed? Who got punched? Who got urine soaked? Cause I missed those stories. I heard about who got dead, and who got runned over.
I didn't hear President Trump talk about those. If they are true then maybe he realizes how petty and infantile equating a urine bomb is with crushing a living being with a car.
again timing is everything.
If Trump hated nazis, and nazis do something bad, and Trump disassociating himself from nazis is simple( and second nature because the Media tried to pull this crap on him many times)...but it take huge pressure and days to get Trump to condemn nazis specifically...and the very next day he qualifies his condemnation...
Well I'm just glad this albatross is hanging around the necks of the spineless Republican's who failed America.
Right. Timing is everything. And spin.
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That statement was cringe worthy...he was doing fantastic until he said that.
IMHO, he did great this weekend... then he made three idiotic tweets.. this presser was good, but like most things, he finds a way to sabotage his own position.
I know people like this in real life, be it relationships or business, when things are going good, they find a way to trip themselves up or sabotage themselves.
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Trump did very well here.
The press, as usual, covered themselves with manure.
I don't understand what any of this has to do with Trump, or why he is expected to issue condemnations. The media are silly as ever.
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I don't understand what any of this has to do with Trump, or why he is expected to issue condemnations. The media are silly as ever.
One of his big campaign promises was law and order.
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It coulda been much worse. He did good, though he reminds me of a cat covering $hit on a Marble Floor.
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I don't understand what any of this has to do with Trump, or why he is expected to issue condemnations. The media are silly as ever.
Consider that two groups came loaded for bear to beat the snot out of each other, and because as fate would have it a person was killed in the melee we're not supposed to condemn both parties as being equally guilty.
Crazy.
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I don't understand what any of this has to do with Trump, or why he is expected to issue condemnations. The media are silly as ever.
He already condemned the KKK...that is all he had to do but he couldn't stop there.
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Trap? Trump actually eviscerated those monomaniacs.
He did @don-o
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I don't like Trump.
He did pretty good in that press conference.
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I don't understand what any of this has to do with Trump, or why he is expected to issue condemnations. The media are silly as ever.
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Some things never change, we tried to warn them. Are those Loni Andersons headlights blinding me?
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Yep, bunch of fine people..
It is incredibly sad that must even be said. There are no good people at a white supremacy rally, ever.
I care deeply about taxes. I believe our government is crippling our economy with regressive taxes, but I would not attend a taxpayer rally headed by Richard Spencer.
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I care deeply about the military, but I would not attend a pro military rally attended and promoted by David Duke.
http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/david-duke-urges-followers-to-attend-rally-in-charlottesville/article_8417980e-625e-11e7-b664-cfb49c966bd3.html
I care deeply about abortion...would any of you welcome these people to your side for a pro-life rally?
I doubt any of you would want to be associated with these people. Why accept it from the standard bearer of the GOP?
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Anymore I think Charles has become irrelevant and yes I agree, the violence, accusations, biased reporting ad fake news seems to be coming predominately from the left. The left has no message of their own other than to counter the right.
They don't just want to counter the Right, they want people to hate it. They want to stir up anger against the Right, they want people to feel like victims of the Right. It's their reason for being.
Trump did well enough. He pointed the finger at the extremists on both sides. Psychologically, that gives the less extreme on both sides a more temperate mental climate to retreat to, to distance themselves from the violent extremists. He didn't close that door by insisting they were all evil 'A' or evil 'B'. That was masterful.
I have little doubt that there were folks who came just to protest the removal of the statue and renaming of the park, who were not affiliated with either the Klan or the White Nationalists present. You won't see those people, because those are not the optics the Media wanted you to see. Plain and simple. As I have pointed out in other posts, their ranks were thin, images reeked of the staging you saw in the Muslims Protesting violence photo op CNN engineered a while back (and got caught at). I think the idea was for you to think there were a lot more hate-filled honkies out there to hate on.
In reality, compared with the rest of America, these groups represent an incredibly small percentage of the population. They are getting press time and focus far in excess of their numbers. Their violence is being used by the press to foment resentment and violence where it just doesn't belong and where it would not ordinarily be.
I see this as a continuation of the Marxist Obama gambit to wreck anything they can and promote problems they can turn around and try to pin on the current administration, but those seeds were sown (ACORNs) long ago, and now have become scrub oaks.
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I don't understand how people can say he did well. Protesting and violence is one thing. But using your car to exterminate people is terrorism. There is a clear difference. Why can't he condemn the use of a vehicle to murder people? Its OK with me for him to say violence on both sides but he must acknowledge that the Nazi drove a car into a crowd of people.
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I don't understand how people can say he did well. Protesting and violence is one thing. But using your car to exterminate people is terrorism. There is a clear difference. Why can't he condemn the use of a vehicle to murder people? Its OK with me for him to say violence on both sides but he must acknowledge that the Nazi drove a car into a crowd of people.
I am no Trump fan, but violence is violence. What I don't get, mainly because I saw this standard imposed on other people at TOS, is the apparent need to individually decry every bad event. I thought "violence" covered all of it.
As for the driver, that will be for the courts to handle.
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I am no Trump fan, but violence is violence. What I don't get, mainly because I saw this standard imposed on other people at TOS, is the apparent need to individually decry every bad event. I thought "violence" covered all of it.
As for the driver, that will be for the courts to handle.
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Really? I agree the courts will handle it. I don't agree violence and murder (or domestic terrorism) are equal. I see that President Trump is angered with the removal of the Confederate monuments. I agree that we should not remove our history. But it doesn't give any person or group the right to mow people down the same way terrorists do. And President Trump should be able to acknowledge the difference.
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I believe he was talking about the previous night when some people were protesting the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee. I would protest that also. It's ridiculous.
Yes, it is. But once people around me started chanting Third Reich slogans like "blood and soil," such as they did Friday night, then I would realize that this isn't the company that I want to keep. I would realize that some bad actors, whose ideology I find reprehensible, have attached themselves to my just cause.
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Really? I agree the courts will handle it. I don't agree violence and murder (or domestic terrorism) are equal. I see that President Trump is angered with the removal of the Confederate monuments. I agree that we should not remove our history. But it doesn't give any person or group the right to mow people down the same way terrorists do. And President Trump should be able to acknowledge the difference.
I don't agree with terrorist acts either.
I listened to the presser (on infrastructure) and the questions afterward, two of which were actually on infrastructure, the rest on Charlottesville. Silly me, (and I am no Trump fan), but I thought he decried all the violence, on both sides (which would include running people down). He also said he wanted to have all the facts. We don't know much about that except that the guy behind the wheel had posed with the White Nationalists holding a shield and wearing a white shirt (although, iirc, they claimed he wasn't one of their usual number). I don't claim to know who the guy is, really, beyond the stuff people have posted, and know that what he did was just. plain. wrong. I don't need Trump or the Media to tell me that, nor does the rest of America.
But what really distresses me is that the takeaway optics on a(n intended) peaceful protest to retain Confederate monuments are of torchlight (KKK style) parades, violence in the streets, and some goon running people down. Which means either the original issue gets lost, or worse, it gets conflated with neonazis and the Klan running down women in the streets.
None of the violence is justified, except those who acted in self-defense, but had the City Commission set this up a little differently, moving the antifa and BLM people to another venue (and keeping them there), or even another day, there would have been a lot less violence.
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I don't agree with terrorist acts either.
I listened to the presser (on infrastructure) and the questions afterward, two of which were actually on infrastructure, the rest on Charlottesville. Silly me, (and I am no Trump fan), but I thought he decried all the violence, on both sides (which would include running people down). He also said he wanted to have all the facts. We don't know much about that except that the guy behind the wheel had posed with the White Nationalists holding a shield and wearing a white shirt (although, iirc, they claimed he wasn't one of their usual number). I don't claim to know who the guy is, really, beyond the stuff people have posted, and know that what he did was just. plain. wrong. I don't need Trump or the Media to tell me that, nor does the rest of America.
But what really distresses me is that the takeaway optics on a(n intended) peaceful protest to retain Confederate monuments are of torchlight (KKK style) parades, violence in the streets, and some goon running people down. Which means either the original issue gets lost, or worse, it gets conflated with neonazis and the Klan running down women in the streets.
None of the violence is justified, except those who acted in self-defense, but had the City Commission set this up a little differently, moving the antifa and BLM people to another venue (and keeping them there), or even another day, there would have been a lot less violence.
I appreciate your post. I agree that no violence is justified. And the Nazi protesting of the removal of monuments doesn't help the cause at all. If it was a peaceful civilian protest to protect history that would have been different. But its ugly. Very ugly and racist. I still say,......violence is violence. Murder and domestic terrorism are not violence.
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I appreciate your post. I agree that no violence is justified. And the Nazi protesting of the removal of monuments doesn't help the cause at all. If it was a peaceful civilian protest to protect history that would have been different. But its ugly. Very ugly and racist. I still say,......violence is violence. Murder and domestic terrorism are not violence.
It really doesn't get much more violent than that, short of outright war.
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Yes, it is. But once people around me started chanting Third Reich slogans like "blood and soil," such as they did Friday night, then I would realize that this isn't the company that I want to keep. I would realize that some bad actors, whose ideology I find reprehensible, have attached themselves to my just cause.
Sadly there isn't a larger stronger contingent of folks from SCV or WBTS reenactors who aren't taking up the mantle to save southern statues. Instead we have these low lifes. It sure has me depressed.
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Sadly there isn't a larger stronger contingent of folks from SCV or WBTS reenactors who aren't taking up the mantle to save southern statues. Instead we have these low lifes. It sure has me depressed.
True, that. Unfortunately, few decent folks want to go duke it out with the inevitable BLM/Antifa crowds that get community organized in.
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That statement was cringe worthy...he was doing fantastic until he said that.
@mystery-ak
Wasn't that "fine people" a characterization of folks whose interest was simply in opposition to removal of the monument? Perhaps @AbaraXas is trying to connect "fine people" to those images an hang that on Trump.
At worst, it's a verbal foot fault. And it is expected from the cabal whose mission since 11/9/16 at 0200 hours has been the overturn of the election.
Does anyone here believe that, in his heart, Trump is a seig heil saluting, blood and soil fanatic or that he holds any brief at all for such nonsense? That is what antifa and their useful idiots in the media want us to believe.
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Sadly there isn't a larger stronger contingent of folks from SCV or WBTS reenactors who aren't taking up the mantle to save southern statues. Instead we have these low lifes. It sure has me depressed.
True. Civil War Trust does great work on preserving battle fields. To my knowledge, they would weigh in if battlefield monuments were threatened.
You know, for years the Klan put on their costumes and flounced around in their tiny numbers in various locales and were roundly ignored, like the crazy uncles who we cannot send to the home yet.
11/9/16 changed all that as the Prime Directive became to over turn the election, by any means necessary.
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I don't understand how people can say he did well. Protesting and violence is one thing. But using your car to exterminate people is terrorism. There is a clear difference. Why can't he condemn the use of a vehicle to murder people? Its OK with me for him to say violence on both sides but he must acknowledge that the Nazi drove a car into a crowd of people.
He acknowledged violence on both sides and condemned violence on both sides. He also stated that he waited till he had the facts before speaking. Somehow I doubt that the MSM is reporting all the facts and as usual is focusing on reporting the facts to avoid any blame to their side. I think President Trump is handling this issue in a way to not further escalate violence on either side.
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I appreciate your post. I agree that no violence is justified. And the Nazi protesting of the removal of monuments doesn't help the cause at all. If it was a peaceful civilian protest to protect history that would have been different. But its ugly. Very ugly and racist. I still say,......violence is violence. Murder and domestic terrorism are not violence.
??? Your definition of violence is different than mine. Murdering someone is ending their life. I don't think you can get much more violent.
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I agree with a lot of his messages, but... as President he shouldn't be saying them. This will just further divide the country.
I doubt that, but telling the truth in the face of the Big Lie is almost always a good idea.
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Had he prepared, he could have skillfully played the media, but yet again, they played him like a fiddle.
Tell me again how you don't bash Trump 24/7? I guess I can put you down as an antifa, BLM supporter. Only condemning one side is the same as approving the side you did not condemn.
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This is the same when people were attacked for saying "ALL Lives Matter."
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1. There was violence on both sides. As a matter of fact, the alt-left people started the violence.
2. The truth is frequently the hardest message to hear.
3. The media controls the message and punishes anyone who opposes the narrative.
4. Nothing Trump was going to say was going to be sufficient so doubling down didn't hurt him that much.
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Right up there with his speech in Poland as far as clarity, coherence and staying on message.
Impossible. Trump is incapable of forming a coherent sentence, much less than a coherent thought.
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1. There was violence on both sides. As a matter of fact, the alt-left people started the violence.
2. The truth is frequently the hardest message to hear.
3. The media controls the message and punishes anyone who opposes the narrative.
4. Nothing Trump was going to say was going to be sufficient so doubling down didn't hurt him that much.
Exactly. As a matter of fact, the alt-left began this level of violence when Hillary lost the election and they haven't stopped. They and their leaders have continued to promote their violence, yet the MSM would have you believe that somehow they are without fault in this scenario.
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The only 'very fine people' I saw in all that were the EMT workers trying to save lives and help the injured.
@AbaraXas
That's what I'm interested in finding out. Who were the very fine people marching with the Jew-hating Nazis?
I will not give that crap a pass. Why would anyone?
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@AbaraXas Who were the very fine people marching with the Jew-hating Nazis?
The undercover Feds?
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It is fathomable that there were people against the removal of the Lee statue that were not crazies, just as it is fathomable there were people who are for the removal but are not all dressed in black and waving black and red flags.
Grouping people under one stereotype seems to be faulty logic.
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@mystery-ak
Wasn't that "fine people" a characterization of folks whose interest was simply in opposition to removal of the monument? Perhaps @AbaraXas is trying to connect "fine people" to those images an hang that on Trump.
At worst, it's a verbal foot fault. And it is expected from the cabal whose mission since 11/9/16 at 0200 hours has been the overturn of the election.
Does anyone here believe that, in his heart, Trump is a seig heil saluting, blood and soil fanatic or that he holds any brief at all for such nonsense? That is what antifa and their useful idiots in the media want us to believe.
@don-o
Of course no one believes that. There are many who believe he's frequently an idiot who keeps getting run over by his own mouth. I'm one of those.
If someone who just wanted to preserve the statues was willing to protest alongside Nazis, they're the opposite of fine people.
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@AbaraXas
That's what I'm interested in finding out. Who were the very fine people marching with the Jew-hating Nazis?
I will not give that crap a pass. Why would anyone?
So, likewise, this same logic would apply to the left, all for the removal or destruction of the Lee statue were agitators, antifa anarchist types waving bats and such. Okay, I respect everyone's opinions but I don't agree with that.
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So, likewise, this same logic would apply to the left, all for the removal or destruction of the Lee statue were agitators, antifa anarchist types waving bats and such. Okay, I respect everyone's opinions but I don't agree with that.
@TomSea
A baseball bat is a deadly weapon.
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Is that what happened skeeter last Saturday? Who got clubbed? Who got punched? Who got urine soaked? Cause I missed those stories. I heard about who got dead, and who got runned over.
I didn't hear President Trump talk about those. If they are true then maybe he realizes how petty and infantile equating a urine bomb is with crushing a living being with a car.
again timing is everything.
If Trump hated nazis, and nazis do something bad, and Trump disassociating himself from nazis is simple( and second nature because the Media tried to pull this crap on him many times)...but it take huge pressure and days to get Trump to condemn nazis specifically...and the very next day he qualifies his condemnation...
Well I'm just glad this albatross is hanging around the necks of the spineless Republican's who failed America.
There are other TV stations than CNN.
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It is fathomable that there were people against the removal of the Lee statue that were not crazies, just as it is fathomable there were people who are for the removal but are not all dressed in black and waving black and red flags.
Grouping people under one stereotype seems to be faulty logic.
If it wasn't for the unsavory element, I would be out there front and center. See my logo and tagline.
That is why I stated in another thread that it is a crime that this cause isn't being spearheaded by the SCV, and WBTS reenactors. What is a noble cause has been hijacked by the KKK and white supremacist.
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Tell me again how you don't bash Trump 24/7? I guess I can put you down as an antifa, BLM supporter. Only condemning one side is the same as approving the side you did not condemn.
@josb, for God's sake will you stop with those simple-minded accusations.
You don't think Trump should have to condemn anyone, but you demand we condemn the left when you KNOW TBR members' opinion of them.
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The undercover Feds?
@Restored
Any information on that? If that was the case and Trump was referring to them, I guess it wasn't undercover.
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Who handled this all properly, in similar circumstances, not exactly the same circumstances, were the Seattle police. Seattle is often called a liberal city but Sunday, their police did do right.
They pepper-sprayed the counter demonstrators.
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Just because some side marches whose ideas are repugnant, does not mean that they deserve to be treated in any manner.
Look at the pride parades. Some of those parades get very raunchy I understand. What if it was a parade of something repugnant like satanists or pedophiles, etc. As bad as their ideas are, if they have a permit, they have a right to free speech and demonstrations. It would not be okay for some counter protest group to go in and rough them up because their ideas are so repugnant.
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@Restored
Any information on that? If that was the case and Trump was referring to them, I guess it wasn't undercover.
It was the only thing I can think of.
IIRC when the Klan shot up the CWP in Greensboro in 1979, the man who led the Klan to the shooting was an FBI informant.
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So, likewise, this same logic would apply to the left, all for the removal or destruction of the Lee statue were agitators, antifa anarchist types waving bats and such. Okay, I respect everyone's opinions but I don't agree with that.
@TomSea
Focus. Like I just said, I'm not talking about the left since any conservative's stance on them should go without saying. You don't expect Trump to disavow the obvious, so you might as well not expect it of me.
Yesterday someone here put it well--- we should be concerned with cleaning our own house instead of excusing it down to a lower level. I don't care what the issue is, when Nazis with Jew-hating fliers show up, you don't associate yourself with them or march with them. It's just very basic and shouldn't need to be explained.
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Who handled this all properly, in similar circumstances, not exactly the same circumstances, were the Seattle police. Seattle is often called a liberal city but Sunday, their police did do right.
They pepper-sprayed the counter demonstrators.
Agree 100%.
Pepper spray the little vermin. Don't run them over.
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@don-o
Of course no one believes that. There are many who believe he's frequently an idiot who keeps getting run over by his own mouth. I'm one of those.
If someone who just wanted to preserve the statues was willing to protest alongside Nazis, they're the opposite of fine people.
Yes. And I can admit it's a bit of a stretch to imagine anyone unwittingly being in a bad place like that. But, it is not impossible. There are many ignorant and naive people out there. Record numbers, that I can tell you.
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@josb, for God's sake will you stop with those simple-minded accusations.
You don't think Trump should have to condemn anyone, but you demand we condemn the left when you KNOW TBR members' opinion of them.
@CatherineofAragon
Yeah @jpsb , don't you know its the NTs who play the multidimensional chess now.
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@TomSea
I don't care what the issue is, when Nazis with Jew-hating fliers show up, you don't associate yourself with them or march with them. It's just very basic and shouldn't need to be explained.
You do understand that no march was permitted on Saturday? The "march" that the antifa did was w/o a permitt, but allowed to proceed with no traffic control. To my mind, there is contributory negligence from the police as well as charges due to everyone who was walking in the street (marching, if you will.)
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@driftdiver
@libertybele
Watch the videos. Note that the actual march is small.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/08/trump-tells-the-truth-and-the-press-goes-crazy.php
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@driftdiver
@libertybele
Watch the videos. Note that the actual march is small.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/08/trump-tells-the-truth-and-the-press-goes-crazy.php
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RIrcB1sAN8I
Vice News also did one for HBO. It's about 20 minutes long and uncensored. This Cantwell guy and his element are real winners. *****rollingeyes*****
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@driftdiver
@libertybele
Watch the videos. Note that the actual march is small.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/08/trump-tells-the-truth-and-the-press-goes-crazy.php
March was small and there were more 'journalists' then marchers. The asian press guy on the nazi side didn't seem to feel too threatened by the nazi's beside him.
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March was small and there were more 'journalists' then marchers.
I saw that long ago and elsewhere. Real estate is location, location, location. Demonstrations are theater, theater, theater.
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How long until Trump starts tweeting out Joni Mitchell lyrics?
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There are other TV stations than CNN.
Said the echo.
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I'm definitely not a Trump fangirl, but I thought his statement was spot on and I appreciate his saying it.
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Said the echo.
Said the personal attacker.
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I'm definitely not a Trump fangirl, but I thought his statement was spot on and I appreciate his saying it.
This is no different than the people who said "All Lives Matter."
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Trap? Trump actually eviscerated those monomaniacs.
I agree with you but isn't it odd that other people saw it so differently.
Is it possible that those people who thought Trump walked into a trap did not see the speech but simply reacted to what he thought they would do.
He remained calm and unruffled, refused to be sidetracked by their insulting questions and continued to make valid points.
He refused to back down on the 'both sides were wrong' statement. They were.
And one side has been wrong for years while the worst of their offenses were given a pass or a praise by Obama. This is another inheritance from Obama that can't be erased in 8 months.
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Wait until the corpse of Heather is cold. Trump is so damn stupid. All he had to do was say I've already condemned the KKK...next question, but he can't, because he is stupid and vain, and he can't say he made a mistake and he can't let anybody say he made a mistake.
So enjoy your reach around from David Duke Mr. President...you deserve it.
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In politics and comedy timing is everything. The time to condemn the BLM is when they kill somebody. The time to condemn the alt-right is when they kill somebody.
Epic Fail. sad
Such an unrealistic comment makes people discount you when and if you say something valid.
The time for this speech was obviously now and he only brought up the leftist groups to point out that they has started this whole mess. He didn't mention BLM, but he has supported the police on many occasions.
As for Heather, he mentioned her with appropriate respect and regret and, as you may not know, Heather's own mother supported Trump.
It's one thing to resort back to calling Trump stupid and vain when he actually does something stupid and vain.
Timing is everything.
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Gotcha... the previous night... I think they were just 'very fine people' waiving their hands in the air like they just don't care sponsored by the tiki torch business or something like that. And the banners and logos, why those were just something to do with their favorite sports team.
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Yep, bunch of fine people..
Is there something inherently evil about torches? Not unless you set someone on fire. The Olympic torch is okay. I see no clubs, no baseball bats and no weapons of any kind in the pictures you posted.
Robert E. Lee should be a national hero and tearing down monuments has to stop now.
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It is incredibly sad that must even be said. There are no good people at a white supremacy rally, ever.
I care deeply about taxes. I believe our government is crippling our economy with regressive taxes, but I would not attend a taxpayer rally headed by Richard Spencer.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCfZtOrXkAANJi6.jpg)
I care deeply about the military, but I would not attend a pro military rally attended and promoted by David Duke.
http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/david-duke-urges-followers-to-attend-rally-in-charlottesville/article_8417980e-625e-11e7-b664-cfb49c966bd3.html
I care deeply about abortion...would any of you welcome these people to your side for a pro-life rally?
I doubt any of you would want to be associated with these people. Why accept it from the standard bearer of the GOP?
Wait a minute. Maybe you know something I don't but were any of the original protesters violent or threatening? Mad as hell, maybe, and with good reason.
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Yes, it is. But once people around me started chanting Third Reich slogans like "blood and soil," such as they did Friday night, then I would realize that this isn't the company that I want to keep. I would realize that some bad actors, whose ideology I find reprehensible, have attached themselves to my just cause.
Well, then you could go home. I don't know the exact makeup of the Friday night crowd. But their protest was just. This sort of stuff has gone on too long without any protests at all.
Why? Because conservatives aren't prone to go out to the streets to protest.
And if they do, and some nut cases join them, I'm not gonna have a hissy fit.
As the President rightly pointed out, what's next? George Washington, Jefferson, ???
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True, that. Unfortunately, few decent folks want to go duke it out with the inevitable BLM/Antifa crowds that get community organized in.
Spot on !! I am deeply offended at this ignorant and capricious movement for removing statues and symbols from our past.
In fact, Catfish and I might have been out there protesting if we weren't ... well, home in bed.
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Wait a minute. Maybe you know something I don't but were any of the original protesters violent or threatening? Mad as hell, maybe, and with good reason.
No, they were not. Like them or not, agree with them or not, the original protestors had obtained the legal permit to be where they were and they were peaceful.
Hell broke out when the Virginia powers that be sprinkled the second group all around; a group that did not even have the legal right to be there. The Antifa/BLM group came with one objective: disrupt and destroy. And Virginia "leadership" knew this.
@Emjay
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@AbaraXas
That's what I'm interested in finding out. Who were the very fine people marching with the Jew-hating Nazis?
I will not give that crap a pass. Why would anyone?
Interesting. I'm impressed that so many Jew-hating Nazis are supporters of Robert E. Lee.
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Really? I agree the courts will handle it. I don't agree violence and murder (or domestic terrorism) are equal. I see that President Trump is angered with the removal of the Confederate monuments. I agree that we should not remove our history. But it doesn't give any person or group the right to mow people down the same way terrorists do. And President Trump should be able to acknowledge the difference.
Did you watch the guy with a homemade flamethrower try to incinerate others?
He didn't(thank God) but he could have easily.
He is as worthy of condemnation in his attempted murder as a murderer.
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So all Antifa has to do to remain off limits is to keep clubbing, punching and tossing urine at people exercising their right of free speech. Not to mention breaking windows, setting cars on fire and generally destroying property.
Just don't kill anybody.
I say this is attempted murder.
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Did you watch the guy with a homemade flamethrower try to incinerate others?
I hope more of them think that is a great idea, because it's dangerous to the person attempting it. The aerosol can may easily explode in their faces.
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You do understand that no march was permitted on Saturday? The "march" that the antifa did was w/o a permitt, but allowed to proceed with no traffic control. To my mind, there is contributory negligence from the police as well as charges due to everyone who was walking in the street (marching, if you will.)
It is worse than that.
The Governor declared a state of emergency prior to the scheduled noon march permit of the group that has the permit. He ordered the streets cleared at 11:30.
Two hours later, the group that did NOT have a permit were marching. /The streets were supposed to be cleared, yet an illegal march was allowed to proceed.
Who is culpable for fomenting this which escalated to a death?
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Is there something inherently evil about torches? Not unless you set someone on fire. The Olympic torch is okay. I see no clubs, no baseball bats and no weapons of any kind in the pictures you posted.
Robert E. Lee should be a national hero and tearing down monuments has to stop now.
This torch is evil. Attempted murder seems present. Who brings a bottle of hairspray or deodarant in a situation like this unless it is premeditated?
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This torch is evil. Attempted murder seems present. Who brings a bottle of hairspray or deodarant in a situation like this unless it is premeditated?
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I'll tell you evil.
Posting that horrible picture and comparing it to a torchlight parade is evil.
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I'll tell you evil.
Posting that horrible picture and comparing it to a torchlight parade is evil.
Hey doofus.
You are the one who said "Is there something inherently evil about torches? Not unless you set someone on fire. "
The homemade torch was a deliberate attempt to set someone on fire.
I agree with you, so get your panties unwadded.
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Hey doofus.
You are the one who said "Is there something inherently evil about torches? Not unless you set someone on fire. "
The homemade torch was a deliberate attempt to set someone on fire.
I agree with you, so get your panties unwadded.
Thanks for agreeing. However, I must object to a couple of things in your post.
One: Calling me doofus. Hurts my feelings.
Two: totall unnecessary (and trite) reference to undergarments.
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Thanks for agreeing. However, I must object to a couple of things in your post.
One: Calling me doofus. Hurts my feelings.
Two: totall unnecessary (and trite) reference to undergarments.
I do not take them back as you called what I did evil.
What do you think is worse, calling someone evil or a doofus?
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I do not take them back as you called what I did evil.
What do you think is worse, calling someone evil or a doofus?
Semantics, baby.
I called posting the picture evil ... probably too strong... I should have said offensive.
However, I did not call you evil. I accused you of an evil act ... maybe a little hyperbolic but the picture was horrible.
But you directly addressed me as a doofus. So ....
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How about carrying on an intelligent conversation and not call anyone names?
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How about carrying on an intelligent conversation and not call anyone names?
Okay, but he hit me first. Oh, wait, I hit him first.
Anyway, back to an attempt at an intelligent conversation.
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Okay, but he hit me first. Oh, wait, I hit him first.
Anyway, back to an attempt at an intelligent conversation.
It is appreciated.
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Some just get too excited. Hope they do not attend large gatherings in Charlottesville.
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I say this is attempted murder.
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Meh. It is an idiot with a spray can.
Isobutane is the propellant in an awful lot of products, and it burns nicely.
If it was shooting a stream of burning liquid, it would be a flamethrower (invert the can if the product burns).
We used AquaNet blue for spud gun propellant a long time (20 yrs) ago. This display looks impressive to the camera, but someone with a pick handle could have stopped that in a heartbeat if they were so inclined. I'd be far more afraid of a bottle with gasoline and a lit rag in it than that thing.
I am not advocating violence from anyone, just pointing out some facts.
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It is worse than that.
The Governor declared a state of emergency prior to the scheduled noon march permit of the group that has the permit. He ordered the streets cleared at 11:30.
Two hours later, the group that did NOT have a permit were marching. /The streets were supposed to be cleared, yet an illegal march was allowed to proceed.
Who is culpable for fomenting this which escalated to a death?
Then, when the decision was made to clear the permitted group out of the park, they were routed into the thick of the Antifas by the State Police instead of routed out through an area not full of counter-protesters.
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There are other TV stations than CNN.
Said the echo.
Said the personal attacker.
You are referring to your comment where you infer I only get my news from CNN? It is never too late to apologize for your personal attack Tom. Peace be upon you.
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President Trump is totally the person who should be making this message. Who else if not the President and, I was impressed. Maybe he should appoint himself press secretary.
It's strange because we see two different Trumps. We see the man who made this speech, the man who stood by his viewpoint, who never got angry but did not let the press intimidate or bully him but continued to make his points.
Except for when he wanders into the irrelevant or bizarre. He cannot be his own press secretary, because he is his own worst enemy…
“I own actually one of the largest wineries in the United States ― it’s in Charlottesville,” Trump remarked after the conference, referencing Trump Winery.
But there are two problems with his claim (other than the fact that he spoke about his own winery after defending violent white supremacists).
First of all, it’s questionable whether the president actually owns Trump Winery. According to the winery’s own website, his son, Eric Trump, is the owner.
“Trump Winery is a registered trade name of Eric Trump Wine Manufacturing LLC, which is not owned, managed or affiliated with Donald J. Trump, The Trump Organization or any of their affiliates,” the disclaimer reads on the legal section of the website.
Here’s the second issue with Trump’s statement. The winery isn’t “one of the largest” in the U.S.
It’s also not even the largest vineyard in Virginia, by winemakers’ standards. Politifact, a fact-checking website that looks at claims made by elected officials and prominent people speaking about politics, proved it wasn’t after looking into Trump’s claim last year after he made it several times during his campaign.
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Trump: Both Sides Deserve Blame in Charlottesville Deaths
Tuesday, 15 Aug 2017 04:17 PM
Breaking:
President Donald Trump on Tuesday said both sides were to blame in the clashes in Virginia over the weekend, adding that protesters on the political left violently attacked white nationalists rallying against a decision to remove a Confederate statue.
Trump had been sharply criticized for his initial comments blaming "many sides" for the violence in Charlottesville, but on Monday had explicitly condemned right-wing racist elements.
"They came at each other with clubs ... it was a horrible thing to watch," Trump told reporters in response to questions in the lobby of Trump Tower, before adding that left-wing protesters "came violently attacking the other group."
more
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-charlottesville-both-sides/2017/08/15/id/807820/
AND he is mostly right,but the leftist fascists that call themselves anti-fascist deserve MOST of the blame because the Neo-Nazi scum came there to demonstrate and give speeches after asking permission and buying the license,and the leftist fascists came there to attack and cause physical harm. Those pre-frozen bottles of water they were throwing at the Nazi scum can cause great harm,including blindness if the victim is struck in the eye.
Look at it this way,just how much do you have to suck to make the freaking neo-nazi's look sympathetic by comparison?
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I agree with a lot of his messages, but... as President he shouldn't be saying them. This will just further divide the country.
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
At this point there is nothing he can do to divide or bring the country back together. The split is real now,and can only get worse. Soros and others have literally spend Billions of dollars to try to create anarchy so they can get Martial Law declared and take over control of the country,and now that the seeds they have been planting for years are starting to bear fruit,they are going to double down,not back off.
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Oh it can. Trump probably just doubled antifa's membership.
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
Maybe,but he didn't double their collective IQ,and he probably woke up a few people that weren't really aware of what has been going on politically.
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They're complicit, but Trump walked right into their trap.
@Weird Tolkienish Figure
What would you have him do,remain silent and let the leftist message go unanswered so it passes for truth?
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@Weird Tolkienish Figure
What would you have him do,remain silent and let the leftist message go unanswered so it passes for truth?
It worked so well for GWB.
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Then, when the decision was made to clear the permitted group out of the park, they were routed into the thick of the Antifas by the State Police instead of routed out through an area not full of counter-protesters.
Exactly. Not to mention the organizer of this event is a long-time Obama-Supporting Leftist Activist. The whole thing was a set-up.
And everyone is being played like a Stradivarius.
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Exactly. Not to mention the organizer of this event is a long-time Obama-Supporting Leftist Activist. The whole thing was a set-up.
And everyone is being played like a Stradivarius.
Interesting how the bottles of urine and "water balloons" (also likely urine filled) thrown by the Antifas (Leftista have a long history of throwing feces and bags of urine at people--at least to Chicago, 1968) are virtually described as mercy hydration missions on the part of the Antifas.
It's theater, all of it, and in the meantime, the monuments continue to be defaced, renamed, and torn down.
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At this point there is nothing he can do to divide or bring the country back together. The split is real now,and can only get worse.
Correct. That genie is out of the bottle, and the Left and others like them who profit from division and chaos are NEVER going to let the genie back in.
We have arrived at the place we can no longer peaceably coexist because the foundations and core have been dug up, discarded and replaced with an alien and foreign morality and ideology. Even among ourselves we cannot agree on what constitutes liberty. How does a nation hopelessly divided over race, gender, Statism/Communism and sex ever agree to walk together as one people? It cannot. Those issues require another set of Americans be subjugated to the whims and desires and prejudices of another.
As the current climate exists right now, we either submit willingly to the Obama/Leftist/Maoist/Democrat Collectivist agenda, or get sucked into the Populist Collectivist movement that is the only force willing to go toe to toe with the Left. Both sides believe that the other must be wiped out. No matter how you slice it, nothing good comes from here on out.
Cannot say we do not deserve it.
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@Weird Tolkienish Figure
What would you have him do,remain silent and let the leftist message go unanswered so it passes for truth?
I would have just stopped talking after he said..."Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."
Trump could have added that if nazis want to demonstrate and engage in their free speech rights, they might want to reflect on how their philosophy caused the death of a white woman, but Trump could have just stopped with his second statement.
He could refer all the fake news attempts for more denunciation to his 2nd statement and eventually when the media still wouldn't move on to the next story, he says...
I've already denounced David Duke, nazis, and the KKK. Why do you insist on making David Duke famous? Why are you keeping those people in the news? I've already denounced them.
So we've covered those guys. I'd like to talk about some other guys. Have you guys ever heard about the ANTIFA? I never see them talked about on your shows and as you have reported so often...I watch all your shows.
Then he goes into the story of somebody who got stabbed for wearing a MAGA hat, or other violence and vandalism. Preferably a recent story.
It's a matter of timing. The President should go after ANTIFA...just not in the same press conference when nazis kill
The easiest group of people to distance yourself from are nazis...it is almost universal. You yourself say nazi scum twice upthread. It is so easy.
almost unconscious for most of us.
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It worked so well for GWB.
@Sanguine
LOL! Good one!
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Exactly. Not to mention the organizer of this event is a long-time Obama-Supporting Leftist Activist. The whole thing was a set-up.
And everyone is being played like a Stradivarius.
@INVAR
AND the governor of Virginia is a truly evil loon to the left of Stalin and Hitlery whose son is a leader in the alleged Antifa movement,which is actually a PRO FASCIST movement.
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Interesting how the bottles of urine and "water balloons" (also likely urine filled) thrown by the Antifas (Leftista have a long history of throwing feces and bags of urine at people--at least to Chicago, 1968) are virtually described as mercy hydration missions on the part of the Antifas.
It's theater, all of it, and in the meantime, the monuments continue to be defaced, renamed, and torn down.
@Smokin Joe
Lots of those water bottles were full of frozen water,and the equivalent of bricks. You can clearly see the crystal clear bottle being thrown by one fascist pretending to hate fascism that has brown hair and a beard in one of the videos. Like all those punks,he runs up to the front line,throws it at someone's head,and immediately turns around and runs away. I am HOPING someone got a screen capture of this and turns it over to anyone who maybe lost an eye or got a concussion from a thrown frozen water bottle so they can file felony assault charges against him. Best bet would probably be federal charges because McAuliffe would use his power as Governor to shut down any state judges.
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Interesting how the bottles of urine and "water balloons" (also likely urine filled) thrown by the Antifas (Leftista have a long history of throwing feces and bags of urine at people--at least to Chicago, 1968) are virtually described as mercy hydration missions on the part of the Antifas.
It's theater, all of it, and in the meantime, the monuments continue to be defaced, renamed, and torn down.
The white supremacists are useful idiots that have been used to so taint the argument and make it so toxic that no one can stand up to the left on the sanitization of our history Whenever real patriots are demonstrating and these thugs show up the only solution is to run them off or isolate and separate them from the main group. And for Petes sake don't go to a rally permitted by one of them. We need to hold our own rallies. Any true patriot that was there walked right into it and handed the left a major win
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I would have just stopped talking after he said..."Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."
In other words,you want him to agree with the fascist anarchists that everyone but them is evil.
Got it. Are you French,by any chance?
Trump could have added that if nazis want to demonstrate and engage in their free speech rights, they might want to reflect on how their philosophy caused the death of a white woman, but Trump could have just stopped with his second statement.
Which one of the anarchists were you? I bet you were one of the "intellectuals" that are the leaders and who stay in the background. Don't even try to pretend you are a conservative of any stripe because NO conservative wants to surrender to the left.
He could refer all the fake news attempts for more denunciation to his 2nd statement and eventually when the media still wouldn't move on to the next story, he says...
Then he goes into the story of somebody who got stabbed for wearing a MAGA hat, or other violence and vandalism. Preferably a recent story.
ZZZZZZZ,,,,Huh? Wazzat? Sorry,I nodded off. When do you think he should do this,next week? Next year?
It's a matter of timing.
That seems to mean different things to you and I. You seem to think the time to fight your battles is after you have already lost them.
The President should go after ANTIFA...just not in the same press conference when nazis kill
He and every other president should go after all fascists every,time their raise their heads and voices,everywhere they show up,regardless of the label they happen to be wearing.
The easiest group of people to distance yourself from are nazis...it is almost universal. You yourself say nazi scum twice upthread. It is so easy.
No easier than their cousins,the communists. THE major mistake our ancestors made was to allow Comrade Roosevelt and his running dogs get away with separating the Nazi's and the Communists as brothers in government. It is a historical FACT that Nazi Germany and the USSR were allies right up to the very day that Hitler invaded the USSR. Suddenly,like magic,the Nazi's became a "right-wing political party" overnight.
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The white supremacists are useful idiots that have been used to so taint the argument and make it so toxic that no one can stand up to the left on the sanitization of our history Whenever real patriots are demonstrating and these thugs show up the only solution is to run them off or isolate and separate them from the main group. And for Petes sake don't go to a rally permitted by one of them. We need to hold our own rallies. Any true patriot that was there walked right into it and handed the left a major win
"The white supremacists are useful idiots that have been used to so taint the argument and make it so toxic that no one can stand up to the left"4
True, but it doesn't make any difference if these groups do something stupid or not....or if they exist at all. The left will smear any Pubbie president for whatever fake reason.
If Cruz was the president, they'd find something about him to call him a nasty, evil promoter of White Supremacy and stage a campaign to try and crush him.
I'm not a Trump fan, but in this instance he's correct.
First, he condemned hate and violence from all sides. Not good enough to libs and the sob sisters on the right.
Then he explicitly condemned Nazis and WNs. Still not good enough for the aforementioned people.
One of Trump's biggest problems is his frequent inability to give a disciplined speech which allows people to interpret his statements many ways.
But in this case he explicity condemned all violence and the fringe nut groups on the right.
I don't see what else he could have done in this situation.
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"The white supremacists are useful idiots that have been used to so taint the argument and make it so toxic that no one can stand up to the left"4
True, but it doesn't make any difference if these groups do something stupid or not....or if they exist at all. The left will smear any Pubbie president for whatever fake reason.
Just look how they crucified George W. Bush for Katrina, and Kanye's, "George Bush doesn't care about black people."
Now there are lot of things to criticize President Bush for, but that man doesn't have a racist bone in his body.
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Just look how they crucified George W. Bush for Katrina, and Kanye's, "George Bush doesn't care about black people."
Now there are lot of things to criticize President Bush for, but that man doesn't have a racist bone in his body.
In little more than a decade, Bush has been largely exonerated by facts and history. The infrastructure in New Orleans had been neglected for decades under democratic control through corruption and incompetence. Nagin, his biggest critic, was directly responsible for the humanitarian crisis. He's sitting in prison for wire fraud, conspiracy, bribery, money laundering, and filing false tax returns.
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In little more than a decade, Bush has been largely exonerated by facts and history. The infrastructure in New Orleans had been neglected for decades under democratic control through corruption and incompetence. Nagin, his biggest critic, was directly responsible for the humanitarian crisis. He's sitting in prison for wire fraud, conspiracy, bribery, money laundering, and filing false tax returns.
Thank you so much. For some reason, some people have decided to diss on Bush, which is ridiculous and annoying.
I didn't realize Nagin is in prison. That's great to know. What a tool.
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"The white supremacists are useful idiots that have been used to so taint the argument and make it so toxic that no one can stand up to the left"4
True, but it doesn't make any difference if these groups do something stupid or not....or if they exist at all. The left will smear any Pubbie president for whatever fake reason.
If Cruz was the president, they'd find something about him to call him a nasty, evil promoter of White Supremacy and stage a campaign to try and crush him.
I'm not a Trump fan, but in this instance he's correct.
First, he condemned hate and violence from all sides. Not good enough to libs and the sob sisters on the right.
Then he explicitly condemned Nazis and WNs. Still not good enough for the aforementioned people.
One of Trump's biggest problems is his frequent inability to give a disciplined speech which allows people to interpret his statements many ways.
But in this case he explicity condemned all violence and the fringe nut groups on the right.
I don't see what else he could have done in this situation.
You've stated Trump's position accurately. I watched the speech.
Nothing would have been good enough for the people you accurately describe as the left and the sob sisters on the right .
Nothing.
Those people hated the Trump speech before he opened his mouth.
They hated it before the sun came up.
They hated it before the birds sung.
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Except for when he wanders into the irrelevant or bizarre. He cannot be his own press secretary, because he is his own worst enemy…
“I own actually one of the largest wineries in the United States ― it’s in Charlottesville,” Trump remarked after the conference, referencing Trump Winery.
But there are two problems with his claim (other than the fact that he spoke about his own winery after defending violent white supremacists).
First of all, it’s questionable whether the president actually owns Trump Winery. According to the winery’s own website, his son, Eric Trump, is the owner.
“Trump Winery is a registered trade name of Eric Trump Wine Manufacturing LLC, which is not owned, managed or affiliated with Donald J. Trump, The Trump Organization or any of their affiliates,” the disclaimer reads on the legal section of the website.
Here’s the second issue with Trump’s statement. The winery isn’t “one of the largest” in the U.S.
It’s also not even the largest vineyard in Virginia, by winemakers’ standards. Politifact, a fact-checking website that looks at claims made by elected officials and prominent people speaking about politics, proved it wasn’t after looking into Trump’s claim last year after he made it several times during his campaign.
Good Lord. One, when you quote my post, please do it in its entirity because you left out an important part.
Two, who on God's green earth gives a slit about wineries or Trump's claims about wineries.
That is so off point, it isn't even on the planet. We know Trump brags about stuff but we're trying to discuss an important issue.
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In little more than a decade, Bush has been largely exonerated by facts and history.
Democrats still refer to him as "Chimpy McBushitler."
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In little more than a decade, Bush has been largely exonerated by facts and history. The infrastructure in New Orleans had been neglected for decades under democratic control through corruption and incompetence. Nagin, his biggest critic, was directly responsible for the humanitarian crisis. He's sitting in prison for wire fraud, conspiracy, bribery, money laundering, and filing false tax returns.
And remember this one?
(http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750x970/documents/kilborn_0.jpg)
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@Weird Tolkienish Figure
At this point there is nothing he can do to divide or bring the country back together. The split is real now,and can only get worse. Soros and others have literally spend Billions of dollars to try to create anarchy so they can get Martial Law declared and take over control of the country,and now that the seeds they have been planting for years are starting to bear fruit,they are going to double down,not back off.
I see why you feel that way but I think we can survive this.
We just need to choose our side and support it.
One reason the left has been successful lately in molding opinion is Trump. And we are complicit in that. I'm not saying we should worship him or even like him but we should defend him when he is right.
Those little weenie Republicans who have jumped on Trump to get a little three seconds of good press are to be despised.
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Good Lord. One, when you quote my post, please do it in its entirity because you left out an important part.
Two, who on God's green earth gives a slit about wineries or Trump's claims about wineries.
That is so off point, it isn't even on the planet. We know Trump brags about stuff but we're trying to discuss an important issue.
One - I was responding to a specific part so don't try to play the 'out of context' game.
Two - Nobody does and he shouldn't have brought it up in this setting.
Three - It is not off point, because it was a continuation of the Q&A he just had on the subject of Charlottesville. He's lucky the live coverage had cut off after he stepped away from the podium. It was an incredibly tone deaf and dumbassed thing to say.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VaATz1Gz88c
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@Smokin Joe
Lots of those water bottles were full of frozen water,and the equivalent of bricks. You can clearly see the crystal clear bottle being thrown by one fascist pretending to hate fascism that has brown hair and a beard in one of the videos. Like all those punks,he runs up to the front line,throws it at someone's head,and immediately turns around and runs away. .../
There are also reports that coke cans filled with cement were also thrown by the fascists.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/16/brutal-examples-of-violence-that-occurred-by-both-sides-in-charlottesville-video/
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There are also reports that coke cans filled with cement were also thrown by the fascists.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/16/brutal-examples-of-violence-that-occurred-by-both-sides-in-charlottesville-video/
Eventually we'll just need the national guard at these things, locked and loaded. Beating anyone while they're down is a cowardly act, period.
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One - I was responding to a specific part so don't try to play the 'out of context' game.
Two - Nobody does and he shouldn't have brought it up in this setting.
Three - It is not off point, because it was a continuation of the Q&A he just had on the subject of Charlottesville. He's lucky the live coverage had cut off after he stepped away from the podium. It was an incredibly tone deaf and dumbassed thing to say.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VaATz1Gz88c
Four: You are not worth conversing with.
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One - I was responding to a specific part so don't try to play the 'out of context' game.
Two - Nobody does and he shouldn't have brought it up in this setting.
Three - It is not off point, because it was a continuation of the Q&A he just had on the subject of Charlottesville. He's lucky the live coverage had cut off after he stepped away from the podium. It was an incredibly tone deaf and dumbassed thing to say.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VaATz1Gz88c
No, you don't get by with that. By cutting out the last part of my post, you made it seem as though I was totally defending Trump with no caveat.
That's probably so you can accuse me later of being a Trump lover.
You need to choose the right side and none too soon.
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Now there are lot of things to criticize President Bush for, but that man doesn't have a racist bone in his body.
@dfwgator
I think it can safely be said that I am not the biggest fan of ANY member of the Bush Crime Family,but you are 100 percent correct about that for not only Boy Jorge,but for the rest of his family.
As for Boy Jorge himself,on a personal level I believe him to be a very nice,but weak man, that was just used as a tool by his family. He had no business EVER being president.
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Nagin, his biggest critic, was directly responsible for the humanitarian crisis. He's sitting in prison for wire fraud, conspiracy, bribery, money laundering, and filing false tax returns.
Who says there is never any good news?
BTW,this is the first I heard of that. Last I heard he was just being investigated,which is usually Dim-Speak for "keep your flipping mouth shut or we are going to drop the hammer on you. Don't recall any conversations with anyone else,and serve minimum time in a country club."
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You've stated Trump's position accurately. I watched the speech.
Nothing would have been good enough for the people you accurately describe as the left and the sob sisters on the right .
Nothing.
Those people hated the Trump speech before he opened his mouth.
They hated it before the sun came up.
They hated it before the birds sung.
@Emjay
:amen: And there you have it. He was damned for opening his mouth to respond,and he would have been damned for NOT opening his mouth to respond if he had remained quiet.
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@Emjay
:amen: And there you have it. He was damned for opening his mouth to respond,and he would have been damned for NOT opening his mouth to respond if he had remained quiet.
(https://pics.onsizzle.com/everybodys-always-blaming-thank-you-for-ruining-my-life-me-2415931.png)
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There are also reports that coke cans filled with cement were also thrown by the fascists.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/16/brutal-examples-of-violence-that-occurred-by-both-sides-in-charlottesville-video/
@Right_in_Virginia
True! Thanks for reminding me. I had forgotten all about that one.
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Who says there is never any good news?
BTW,this is the first I heard of that. Last I heard he was just being investigated,which is usually Dim-Speak for "keep your flipping mouth shut or we are going to drop the hammer on you. Don't recall any conversations with anyone else,and serve minimum time in a country club."
He received a 10 year sentence in 2014. Currently serving in Texarkana federal prison, which is low security. Not sure if it's club fed, but he won't be out for a good while.
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Which one of the anarchists were you? I bet you were one of the "intellectuals" that are the leaders and who stay in the background. Don't even try to pretend you are a conservative of any stripe because NO conservative wants to surrender to the left.
You make a powerful and entertaining argument for lithium. Nobody wants to undergo invasive surgery, but some choose it in the face of a malignant tumor. President Trump is a malignant tumor on the body politic, and I mean that in the nicest and most respectful way.
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You make a powerful and entertaining argument for lithium. Nobody wants to undergo invasive surgery, but some choose it in the face of a malignant tumor. President Trump is a malignant tumor on the body politic, and I mean that in the nicest and most respectful way.
@Once-Ler
Thanks ok,bubba. Just go ahead and go to sleep cuddling with your signed autograph of Bathhouse Barry clutched tightly to your chest,and have your wet dream.