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Trump says he’s the ‘Modern Day Nelson Mandela’ because of Manhattan judge’s gag order
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Jenny Goldsberry
April 6, 2024 4:12 pm
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Former President Donald Trump compared his legal troubles to that of former South African President Nelson Mandela.
Trump took to Truth Social Saturday to bemoan the gag order issued to him by Manhattan Judge Juan M. Merchan. This gag order is related to Trump’s hush money case, where notable witnesses include former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen and porn star Stormy Daniels.
“It is so bad what he is trying to get away with – How was he even chosen for this case??? I heard he fought like hell to get it, and all of the rest of them also,” Trump wrote of Merchan. “If this Partisan Hack wants to put me in the ‘clink’ for speaking the open and obvious TRUTH, I will gladly become a Modern Day Nelson Mandela — It will be my GREAT HONOR.”
Mandela served 27 years in prison following his campaign to overthrow the apartheid government. Upon his release, he served a single term as the country’s president.
“We have to Save our Country from these Political Operatives masquerading as Prosecutors and Judges, and I am willing to sacrifice my Freedom for that worthy cause,” Trump wrote. “We are a Failing Nation, but on November 5th, we will become a Great Nation again. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!”
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/2956647/trump-says-hes-the-modern-day-nelson-mandela-because-of-manhattan-judges-gag-order/
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:facepalm2:
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Just because his opponents use inapt comparisons (e.g. Hitler) to attack him is no reason for Trump to use inapt comparisons in his own defense.
He is such a lout!
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If Trump continues to run his mouth he's going to lose and lose bigly. Not that people will be voting for Biden, but a whole lot of people are just not going to vote as neither one of them is appealing.
His last 'stint' was selling bibles -- that hasn't gone over too well with the Evangelical leaders.
His narcissism is a problem.
https://www.foxnews.com/faith-values/christian-leaders-react-trumps-god-bless-usa-bibles-more-trump-bible
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/31/warnock-trump-bible-2024-elections-00149855
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Do people mistakenly think he's already dead?
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Do people mistakenly think he's already dead?
It's going to take more than holding rallies, selling bibles and sneakers for him to win the election. He hasn't changed course and is doing the same things that he's been doing and last election he lost -- stolen or not -- he lost.
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It's going to take more than holding rallies, selling bibles and sneakers for him to win the election. He hasn't changed course and is doing the same things that he's been doing and last election he lost -- stolen or not -- he lost.
The only thing Trump does is keep his sycophant peons lapping it all up. And him and they thinking that = overwhelming popularity in the nation at large.
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The only thing Trump does is keep his sycophant peons lapping it all up.
To be fair, Trump's pretty darn good at keeping his haters all riled up. :laugh:
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To be fair, Trump's pretty darn good at keeping his haters all riled up. :laugh:
Interesting that you label all who don't agree with Trump's policies or actions as haters. Many have taken off their orange colored glasses and realize that he's become quite unhinged and his narcissistic personality continues to be open to scrutiny.
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If Trump continues to run his mouth he's going to lose and lose bigly.
His last 'stint' was selling bibles -- that hasn't gone over too well with the Evangelical leaders.
Look at you ---- spreading hate and derision for Jesus. You're quite the blessing.
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Look at you ---- spreading hate and derision for Jesus. You're quite the blessing.
Look at you trying to defend Trump's latest debacle. He should have stuck to selling his gilded sneakers. I agree with some of the Evangelical leaders; the troubling aspect here is […] the marketing of it, the Americanization of it, the "Trump-ification" of it. :laugh:
So, exactly how is it that I'm spreading hate for Jesus? Careful, how you answer that @Right_in_Virginia
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The modern day Nelson Mandela line was stupid. But I'm kind of enjoying the rest of it, and don't have an issue with him insulting these judges as directly as possible. The Democrats clearly are using these cases against him, and he has a right to defend himself on the campaign trail, to attack the cases as politicized garbage, and to call the judges corrupt.
If a political candidate can't call out what he sees as a corrupt legal system, then that's a much bigger problem than any of the things Trump did for which he has been charged.
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Damn, I hope that doesn't make Melania the modern day Winnie Mandela, Winnie had a special way of dealing with perceived enemies :whistle:
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Look at you trying to defend Trump's latest debacle. He should have stuck to selling his gilded sneakers. I agree with some of the Evangelical leaders; the troubling aspect here is […] the marketing of it, the Americanization of it, the "Trump-ification" of it.
I simply do not understand your angst over a bible endorsement --- especially for one that has been around for a while and includes the fundamentals of our American Republic. Young voters are moving toward Trump big time. Imagine if he ends up pointing even a few hundred of them to their first bibles and the Constitution. Feels like a good to me.
But, we can't have this, because you hate the man.
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To be fair, Trump's pretty darn good at keeping his haters all riled up. :laugh:
Which is pretty damn stupid of him. Because riled-up haters will make a point of going to the polls in November to vote against Trump. (See: 2020)
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Feels like a good to me.
There ain't a doubt in my mind that it would. :whistle:
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I simply do not understand your angst over a bible endorsement --- especially for one that has been around for a while and includes the fundamentals of our American Republic. Young voters are moving toward Trump big time. Imagine if he ends up pointing even a few hundred of them to their first bibles and the Constitution. Feels like a good to me.
But, we can't have this, because you hate the man.
It's inexplicable to me.
Absolutely hate Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. They're clearly enemies of the Republic as Founded.
Also hate the Democrat Party for what it's become today. Democrat Socialists...Fascists...Totalitarians.
They hate a Donald J. Trump a billionaire Populist and Capitalist who wants to concentrate on building the U.S.A back to the greatness we all felt growing up...because he went along with the response to Covid-19 and embraced crazy Stimulus Spending which increased the nation's debt.
...oh, and also because he's crude and rude in dealing with adversaries foreign and domestic.
They HATE him so much they will withhold their vote and waste it, based upon their own principles. The uncanny need to virtue signal, no matter the resulting outcome.
I'm done with all of them! {spit}
It's crazy! :shrug:
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They hate a Donald J. Trump a billionaire Populist and Capitalist who wants to concentrate on building the U.S.A back to the greatness we all felt growing up...because he went along with the response to Covid-19 and embraced crazy Stimulus Spending which increased the nation's debt.
Nobody here hates Trump. Trump hasn’t done anything to me personally that would make me hate him. The “hate Trump” line is used by his supporters when they know they can’t defend Trump intellectually on the issues. It’s the same tactic the left uses when the scream “racism” when they can’t defend their arguments
But he made a lot of mistakes during his tenure and he’s promising to double down on those mistakes
Donald Trump entered office with an economy that was already growing. He left with office with an economy in shambles and laid the groundwork for inflation. And he still thinks he did a great job with his Covid response. That tells me he will follow the same formula should another pandemic hit. And the debt was already growing even before Covid
I don’t know why it’s hard for MAGAs to grasp the concept that if you print trillions and trillions of dollars and send it out in the economy, inflation is the result
He wants more tariffs despite the fact that his first ones triggered a trade war and hurt the economy. Those tariffs are always passed on to the consumer. And throw those higher prices on top of inflation.
Neither Trump nor Biden have any realistic plans to deal with the issues facing us. But on the economy, when looking at what both men want to do, Biden is slightly better than Trump. Biden isn’t proposing protectionist tariffs and isn’t proposing the screwy idea of pressuring the Federal Reserve to drop interest rates at a time when Americans are reaping the “benefits” of the Trump/Biden inflationary economy. Dropping interest rates right now would horribly punish savers
And yet, there are still his supporters that can’t understand why many of us don’t want to vote for that.
I’m not obligated to vote for any candidate just to satisfy his supporters emotional need for a win. You mentioned something about outcomes in your post. That’s right. Policies and issues and the resulting outcomes and consequences do matter
“He’s not Biden” isn’t enough. This election is, to me, more about simply owning the other side than really fixing the issues that face us. When it comes to Trump, we have record and reality vs the fantasy his voters have created
I have read right here that Donald Trump had to go along with all that Covid spending otherwise Democrats would have been mad at him. I also see the same argument when it comes to spending and more specifically entitlement reform. Why should I vote for somebody who is more aligned with Democrats on the biggest issue threatening this country’s long-term fiscal and economic health?
The only issue that Trump has any credibility on over Joe Biden is the border.
Should he win, I would love to be proven wrong. But, based on current proposals and past history, I won’t be
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Nobody here hates Trump. Trump hasn’t done anything to me personally that would make me hate him. The “hate Trump” line is used by his supporters when they know they can’t defend Trump intellectually on the issues. It’s the same tactic the left uses when the scream “racism” when they can’t defend their arguments
But he made a lot of mistakes during his tenure and he’s promising to double down on those mistakes
Donald Trump entered office with an economy that was already growing. He left with office with an economy in shambles and laid the groundwork for inflation. And he still thinks he did a great job with his Covid response. That tells me he will follow the same formula should another pandemic hit. And the debt was already growing even before Covid
I don’t know why it’s hard for MAGAs to grasp the concept that if you print trillions and trillions of dollars and send it out in the economy, inflation is the result
He wants more tariffs despite the fact that his first ones triggered a trade war and hurt the economy. Those tariffs are always passed on to the consumer. And throw those higher prices on top of inflation.
Neither Trump nor Biden have any realistic plans to deal with the issues facing us. But on the economy, when looking at what both men want to do, Biden is slightly better than Trump. Biden isn’t proposing protectionist tariffs and isn’t proposing the screwy idea of pressuring the Federal Reserve to drop interest rates at a time when Americans are reaping the “benefits” of the Trump/Biden inflationary economy. Dropping interest rates right now would horribly punish savers
And yet, there are still his supporters that can’t understand why many of us don’t want to vote for that.
I’m not obligated to vote for any candidate just to satisfy his supporters emotional need for a win. You mentioned something about outcomes in your post. That’s right. Policies and issues and the resulting outcomes and consequences do matter
“He’s not Biden” isn’t enough. This election is, to me, more about simply owning the other side than really fixing the issues that face us. When it comes to Trump, we have record and reality vs the fantasy his voters have created
I have read right here that Donald Trump had to go along with all that Covid spending otherwise Democrats would have been mad at him. I also see the same argument when it comes to spending and more specifically entitlement reform. Why should I vote for somebody who is more aligned with Democrats on the biggest issue threatening this country’s long-term fiscal and economic health?
The only issue that Trump has any credibility on over Joe Biden is the border.
Should he win, I would love to be proven wrong. But, based on current proposals and past history, I won’t be
@LMAO
I stopped reading after the "bold".... :seeya:
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@LMAO
I stopped reading after the "bold".... :seeya:
As I expected you would
Because you can’t dispute any of points made after. From your perspective, understandable
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It's inexplicable to me.
It's certainly explicable. It's been explained to you over and again.
They hate a Donald J. Trump a billionaire Populist and Capitalist who wants to concentrate on building the U.S.A back to the greatness we all felt growing up...because he went along with the response to Covid-19 and embraced crazy Stimulus Spending which increased the nation's debt.
No one here hates him. How very much like a liberal to pull the 'hater' card... AGAIN.
If he was such a dolt as to have been fooled, he deserves no quarter - That is a p-ss poor defense.
They HATE him so much they will withhold their vote and waste it, based upon their own principles. The uncanny need to virtue signal, no matter the resulting outcome.
It is hardly a waste to refrain from voting for that to which one is adamantly opposed. I will not be coerced into voting *FOR* big government coming from the Right. It is against every fiber of my being. It is against the very precepts by which I was joined to the Right. There will NEVER be a reason to lay down the sword and allow liberalism from the Right. It's why I didn't vote for Romney, Precisely. And he is to the Right of Tumpy.
It's crazy! :shrug:
What would be crazy is voting *FOR* the things you oppose.
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@LMAO
I stopped reading after the "bold".... :seeya:
Of course you did.
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Trump does know that Mandela was a Communist terrorist, which is why he was in jail for all those years, right?
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Look at you ---- spreading hate and derision for Jesus. You're quite the blessing.
Look at you, trying to defend a devil.
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@LMAO
I stopped reading after the "bold".... :seeya:
@DCPatriot
@LMAO
@roamer_1
A wise decision, DC. Why anyone would want to ride that merry-go-round to nowhere is beyond me. :shrug: It's such an unfruitful use of your time.
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I'm done with all of them! {spit}
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@DCPatriot
@LMAO
@roamer_1
A wise decision, DC. Why anyone would want to ride that merry-go-round to nowhere is beyond me. :shrug: It's such an unfruitful use of your time.
You do understand this is a political site were politics and candidates are debated, correct?
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It boggles the mind of some that, to many of us, elections are still ultimately about issues and policy vs personality and entertainment
That it’s still about record and policy proposals and evaluating both and weighing pros and cons
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You do understand this is a political site were politics and candidates are debated, correct?
@LMAO
Of course I do! And when I see legitimate debate, I'll either participate or read and enjoy the exchange of ideas. But, OMG! When the debate goes around and around and around and around and around, it's just stale. Everyone has taken to their corners and no one is hearing the other's argument.
Snark. Insult. Smackdown. Repeat. I'd rather hear what Americans have done to help pull this country back from the brink. When y'all's grandkids ask what you did to help save the republic (assuming we're able to), what will you be able to tell them?
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When y'all's grandkids ask what you did to help save the republic (assuming we're able to), what will you be able to tell them?
That I didn’t vote for a candidate that continued to spend this country into an already unsustainable debt cycle that threatened their economic future and standard of living for starters
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That I didn’t vote for a candidate that continued to spend this country into an already unsustainable debt cycle that threatened their economic future and standard of living for starters
@LMAO
Well, now. There's a snappy comeback!
:laughingdog: :laughingdog: :laughingdog: :laughingdog: :laughingdog:
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@LMAO
Well, now. There's a snappy comeback!
:laughingdog: :laughingdog: :laughingdog: :laughingdog: :laughingdog:
Why do you find that funny? As the debt continues to rise, more money needs to be printed and borrowed just to pay the interest. That crowds out more private investment and brings on more inflation.
You asked the question and I gave you an answer. Unless you disagree. If so, I’m interested in your take why you don’t believe that the rising debt load is a threat to America’s economic future
The American people are unhappy with the state of the economy. Why? Rising prices. I don’t think they’re gonna be any less upset about it under Donald Trump then they are with Biden
Everyone has their reasons for voting the way they do. But I would rather tell my grandkids why I voted the way I did verses telling them I voted the way I did for the temporary thrill of watching a Joy Behar meltdown
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Priceless. So appropriate here.
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Why do you find that funny? As the debt continues to rise, more money needs to be printed and borrowed just to pay the interest. That crowds out more private investment and brings on more inflation
You asked the question and I gave you an answer. Unless you disagree. If so, I’m interested in your take why you don’t believe that the rising debt load is a threat to America’s economic future
@LMAO
I don't disagree that we've got big -- YUGE -- problems with our debt. But before we can address that, we have to wrestle back the nation from certain ruin if it falls into the hands of the Dems. Trump has only 4 years if he wins. If you don't like what he's done/doing, he'll be gone in 4 years. Biden has damaged us beyond recognition in 3 years. Do you honestly think we will still be a constitutional republic after 5 more years of Biden, or rather, Harris?
You're being asked this by someone who got ZOTTED for not being on the Trump train. I'm not exactly part of Trump's base, but the Biden administration and the unrecognizability of our nation has caused me to run to the arms of Trump for sheer survival. I AM SCARED SPITLESS. And even more so when fellow Americans are ready to allow our demise for their high and mighty principled stance.
I can't remember who said it (@Bigun? @sneakypete?), but someone called Trump a placeholder (1) to prevent our demise and (2) until we can get a more conservative conservative as a candidate. In a perfect world, we get to have our most conservative candidate (although I doubt there would be agreement on that), but this isn't a perfect world.
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Why do you find that funny? As the debt continues to rise, more money needs to be printed and borrowed just to pay the interest. That crowds out more private investment and brings on more inflation.
You asked the question and I gave you an answer. Unless you disagree. If so, I’m interested in your take why you don’t believe that the rising debt load is a threat to America’s economic future
The American people are unhappy with the state of the economy. Why? Rising prices. I don’t think they’re gonna be any less upset about it under Donald Trump then they are with Biden
Everyone has their reasons for voting the way they do. But I would rather tell my grandkids why I voted the way I did verses telling them I voted the way I did for the temporary thrill of watching a Joy Behar meltdown
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Morbi nec remedia ferre possumus.
(We can stand neither the disease nor the remedy)
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That I didn’t vote for a candidate that continued to spend this country into an already unsustainable debt cycle that threatened their economic future and standard of living for starters
In addition, we used every possible opportunity to convince others posing as Republicans how their embrace of reckless monetary policy and massive debt is leading to the destruction of said Republic. Only then will they recognize their enemy. They will understand that their only hope of recreating that lost republic is through the establishment of limited government empowered only by the constraint of
existing within its means.
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Why do you find that funny? As the debt continues to rise, more money needs to be printed and borrowed just to pay the interest. That crowds out more private investment and brings on more inflation.
You asked the question and I gave you an answer. Unless you disagree. If so, I’m interested in your take why you don’t believe that the rising debt load is a threat to America’s economic future
The American people are unhappy with the state of the economy. Why? Rising prices. I don’t think they’re gonna be any less upset about it under Donald Trump then they are with Biden
Everyone has their reasons for voting the way they do. But I would rather tell my grandkids why I voted the way I did verses telling them I voted the way I did for the temporary thrill of watching a Joy Behar meltdown
Seriously? You gonna run with that? I doubt your grandchildren will even be speaking to you after they realize the part you played in allowing the Democrats to topple our republic. If you're dead and gone, they'll be peeing on your grave. They'll be overrun with illegals. They'll likely be victims of crime (Dems aren't known for law and order).
Assuming they're white, they'll be punished for their ethnicity because, of course they're white supremacists.
They'll be driving EVs -- if they're allowed to drive at all. They could be corralled to the nearest 15-minute city and forced to rely on some type of peoplemover for transportation. And China will be all the more powerful as the US fades and must depend on them for everything that makes EVs run.
With our schools already being indoctrinal institutions, what awaits your grandkids' grandkids?
Immorality will be unchecked since many will fall away from faith in God. After all, the FBI is already calling us terrorists in the first Biden administration. Why, they'll have to release thousands of violent criminals to make room for those scary believers who walk in the counsel of the Lord. Texas may as well admit defeat and remove the razor wire. There will be no need for a border if the Dems have a second bite at the apple.
I could go on. I shouldn't have to. Anyone who can't see the writing on the wall is someone I simply can't understand.
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What’s your point?
Nobody here is disputing that prices were lower in Jan 2020 than they are now
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Seriously? You gonna run with that? I doubt your grandchildren will even be speaking to you after they realize the part you played in allowing the Democrats to topple our republic. If you're dead and gone, they'll be peeing on your grave. They'll be overrun with illegals. They'll likely be victims of crime (Dems aren't known for law and order).
Assuming they're white, they'll be punished for their ethnicity because, of course they're white supremacists.
They'll be driving EVs -- if they're allowed to drive at all. They could be corralled to the nearest 15-minute city and forced to rely on some type of peoplemover for transportation. And China will be all the more powerful as the US fades and must depend on them for everything that makes EVs run.
With our schools already being indoctrinal institutions, what awaits your grandkids' grandkids?
Immorality will be unchecked since many will fall away from faith in God. After all, the FBI is already calling us terrorists in the first Biden administration. Why, they'll have to release thousands of violent criminals to make room for those scary believers who walk in the counsel of the Lord. Texas may as well admit defeat and remove the razor wire. There will be no need for a border if the Dems have a second bite at the apple.
I could go on. I shouldn't have to. Anyone who can't see the writing on the wall is someone I simply can't understand.
When you get past this hyperbolic post, the reality is when your grandkids see their economic opportunity and standard of living decline as a result of unsustainable monetary fiscal and monetary policy, they’ll be more likely to embrace socialism
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@Bigun
Thanks. The visual helps to explain why I'm being crushed. I'd love to see the full spectrum of the inflationary prices we've been hit with. Gas. Insurance. Electricity. Home repairs. Car repairs. Etc. It's terrifying to be a senior on a modest fixed income under this administration. Sometimes when I let myself think about it, it's hard to take a deep breath.
BTW, who/what is GROK?
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When you get past this hyperbolic post, the reality is when your grandkids see their economic opportunity and standard of living decline as a result of unsustainable monetary fiscal and monetary policy, they’ll be more likely to embrace socialism
@LMAO
Bite me.
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I simply do not understand your angst over a bible endorsement --- especially for one that has been around for a while and includes the fundamentals of our American Republic. Young voters are moving toward Trump big time. Imagine if he ends up pointing even a few hundred of them to their first bibles and the Constitution. Feels like a good to me.
But, we can't have this, because you hate the man.
To accuse me of spreading hate is quite low and despicable, even for you @Right_in_Virginia
Take a good look in the mirror. Are you so filled with hate that you accuse others of hating Trump because they don't agree with his policies, his actions, his narcissism and his character assassination of conservatives and ultimately your viewpoint?
Trump made 'his' bible endorsement about him, selling the 'Word of God' for his own profit. Again, I agree with some of the Evangelical leaders; the troubling aspect here is […] the marketing of it, the Americanization of it, the "Trump-ification" of it.
This conversation that you brought up about 'hate' is over. Hate is a very strong word and one that I do not take lightly. I don't 'hate' anyone @Right_in_Virginia , contrary to what you accuse me of.
Have a wonderful day!
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@LMAO
I don't disagree that we've got big -- YUGE -- problems with our debt. But before we can address that, we have to wrestle back the nation from certain ruin if it falls into the hands of the Dems. Trump has only 4 years if he wins. If you don't like what he's done/doing, he'll be gone in 4 years. Biden has damaged us beyond recognition in 3 years. Do you honestly think we will still be a constitutional republic after 5 more years of Biden, or rather, Harris?
You're being asked this by someone who got ZOTTED for not being on the Trump train. I'm not exactly part of Trump's base, but the Biden administration and the unrecognizability of our nation has caused me to run to the arms of Trump for sheer survival. I AM SCARED SPITLESS. And even more so when fellow Americans are ready to allow our demise for their high and mighty principled stance.
I can't remember who said it (@Bigun? @sneakypete?), but someone called Trump a placeholder (1) to prevent our demise and (2) until we can get a more conservative conservative as a candidate. In a perfect world, we get to have our most conservative candidate (although I doubt there would be agreement on that), but this isn't a perfect world.
On debt and spending, Trump is worse than Biden. Growing the government with the idea that you have to wrestle it back from the Democrats just leaves a larger federal government for Democrats to wield its power when they win the WH again
And as far as a placeholder, that never works. Since the 22nd Amendment, the party that held the WH for two years has always been followed by the opposition party. The only exception was two years of Reagan followed by GWB. What will happen is a Democrat will follow Trump and pray it isn’t an Elizabeth Warren type
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@LMAO
Bite me.
And here’s were it ends up when a Trumper is losing the debate
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What’s your point?
Nobody here is disputing that prices were lower in Jan 2020 than they are now
"I don’t think they’re gonna be any less upset about it under Donald Trump then they are with Biden"
I think that's completely wrong.
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I think that's completely wrong.
So the voters won’t mind inflation under a second Trump term?
Trump has no realistic plans to deal with inflation. For example, he claimed we would drill oil to pay for SS. He wouldn’t get near enough money from oil to even make any kind of a dent. Let’s say there was a glut of oil on the market. The price would drop and you would lose money on that to pay for Social Security.
Donald Trump throws a lot of proposals out that don’t survive scrutiny but not that his supporters care
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On debt and spending, Trump is worse than Biden.
Absolute BS! Trump unleashed energy production in this country and THAT reduced the price of everything even with all the spending. Biden undid all of that and prices skyrocketed.
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Absolute BS! Trump unleashed energy production in this country and THAT reduced the price of everything even with all the spending. Biden undid all of that and prices skyrocketed.
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So the voters won’t mind inflation under a second Trump term?
Trump has no realistic plans to deal with inflation. For example, he claimed we would drill oil to pay for SS… lol
@LMAO
Wait! I think I'm catching on. You're part of a false flag operation dreamed up by the likes of a James Carville type. There are many leftists hatching all kinds of nefarious talking points, and it seems like we're being treated to such a deception right here. Why else would we hear zero about the evil doings of the Democrats? Hmmmm.... Rather it's a constant drumbeat of Trump, Trump, Trump. Again I say hmmmm... *hmmmm*
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So the voters won’t mind inflation under a second Trump term?
Trump has no realistic plans to deal with inflation. For example, he claimed we would drill oil to pay for SS. He wouldn’t get near enough money from oil to even make any kind of a dent. Let’s say there was a glut of oil on the market. The price would drop and you would lose money on that to pay for Social Security.
Donald Trump throws a lot of proposals out that don’t survive scrutiny but not that his supporters care
Do you really think that the price of oil only affects oil?
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Absolute BS! Trump unleashed energy production in this country and THAT reduced the price of everything even with all the spending. Biden undid all of that and prices skyrocketed.
Nope
You didn’t see the resulting inflation with the trillions of dollars printed during COVID because the economy was shut down
What happened with the stimulus was predicted by conservatives once the economy opened up
And on spending, I checked my claim and so far, both Trump and Biden are on path to add the same amount in their 4 years so I withdraw my claim as Trump being worse
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Nope
You didn’t see the resulting inflation with the trillions of dollars printed during COVID because the economy was shut down
What happened with the stimulus was predicted by conservatives once the economy opened up
Did you learn economics at the Patrice Lumumba School at Moscow University?
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Did you learn economics at the Patrice Lumumba School at Moscow University?
Nope
Many of us were warning about the inflation risks during the shutdown and it appears we were right
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Do you really think that the price of oil only affects oil?
Nope
But you’re not paying down the debt or funding SS with oil.
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@Bigun
Thanks. The visual helps to explain why I'm being crushed. I'd love to see the full spectrum of the inflationary prices we've been hit with. Gas. Insurance. Electricity. Home repairs. Car repairs. Etc. It's terrifying to be a senior on a modest fixed income under this administration. Sometimes when I let myself think about it, it's hard to take a deep breath.
BTW, who/what is GROK?
Sorry @AllThatJazzZ I got sidetracked.
I assumed that GROK was an acronym for some Grocery Retailers association, but I really don't know. And the price of energy affects the price of EVERYTHING.
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@LMAO
Wait! I think I'm catching on. You're part of a false flag operation dreamed up by the likes of a James Carville type. There are many leftists hatching all kinds of nefarious talking points, and it seems like we're being treated to such a deception right here. Why else would we hear zero about the evil doings of the Democrats? Hmmmm.... Rather it's a constant drumbeat of Trump, Trump, Trump. Again I say hmmmm... *hmmmm*
Name the false talking points? Every criticism of Trump is made from a conservative position. It’s from the same reasons I won’t vote for Biden
That seems to upset some.
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Sorry @AllThatJazzZ I got sidetracked.
I assumed that GROK was an acronym for some Grocery Retailers association, but I really don't know. And the price of energy affects the price of EVERYTHING.
So does reckless fiscal and monetary policy
And that’s more enduring. Oil prices go up and down
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Nope
Many of us were warning about the inflation risks during the shutdown and it appears we were right
Were you warning about inflation when Biden (read Obama) purposefully caused energy prices to skyrocket? I sure was!
BTW: Oil doesn't pay for Social Security! Tax revenues do.
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@DCPatriot
@LMAO
@roamer_1
A wise decision, DC. Why anyone would want to ride that merry-go-round to nowhere is beyond me. :shrug: It's such an unfruitful use of your time.
:beer:
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So does reckless fiscal and monetary policy
Funny how some only notice that when they can use Trump in a sentence.
And that’s more enduring. Oil prices go up and down
Energy prices go up and down because our energy policies are STUPID and ever changing! No other reason than that.
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Were you warning about inflation when Biden (read Obama) purposefully caused energy prices to skyrocket? I sure was!
BTW: Oil doesn't pay for Social Security! Tax revenues do.
We also knew that Biden’s claim of transitory inflation was BS, also
And government doesn’t raise enough tax revenues to cover spending. And gas and oil revenues won’t cover SS
https://www.crfb.org/blogs/can-social-security-be-saved-selling-americas-oil-gas-reserves
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Funny how some only notice that when they can use Trump in a sentence.
You’re joking, right?
Many of us backed the TEA Party because of the bailouts and spending from both GWB and Obama
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We also knew that Biden’s claim of transitory inflation was BS, also
And government doesn’t raise enough tax revenues to cover spending. And gas and oil revenues won’t cover SS
https://www.crfb.org/blogs/can-social-security-be-saved-selling-americas-oil-gas-reserves
Did tax revenue go up or down under Trump?
How about Biden?
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We also knew that Biden’s claim of transitory inflation was BS, also
:yowsa:
And government doesn’t raise enough tax revenues to cover spending. And gas and oil revenues won’t cover SS
https://www.crfb.org/blogs/can-social-security-be-saved-selling-americas-oil-gas-reserves
That's right. And NO ONE here has EVER heard me advocating for more govt. spending EVER regardless of who's doing it. I do, however, have some understanding of the realities of political life in this country today. We have FAR too many addicted to government spending. Both voters and politicians.
The federal government, and most state governments as well, are FAR out of control in every dynamic.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl3axMLXL4I
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Did tax revenue go up or down under Trump?
How about Biden?
Here you go
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/government-revenue/
. In 2022, the U.S. government collected the highest total revenue in its history.
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Here you go
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/government-revenue/
. In 2022, the U.S. government collected the highest total revenue in its history.
Do tax revenues lead or lag changes in energy policy?
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:yowsa:
That's right. And NO ONE here has EVER heard me advocating for more govt. spending EVER regardless of who's doing it. I do, however, have some understanding of the realities of political life in this country today. We have FAR too many addicted to government spending. Both voters and politicians.
The federal government, and most state governments as well, are FAR out of control in every dynamic.
I’m not implying that you support more spending and more federal government empowerment
But at some point, these issues have to matter. If they mattered when Obama got elected, the urgency has only gotten worse
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I’m not implying that you support more spending and more federal government empowerment
But at some point, these issues have to matter. If they mattered when Obama got elected, the urgency has only gotten worse
Again, I agree! I try to assign blame where it lies rather than to any single individual.
Make me King for one month and I'll fix it so long as what I do in that period cannot be undone for five years.
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Make me King for one month and I'll fix it so long as what I do in that period cannot be undone for five years. [/size]
Make it ten years and you’ll have my vote for king of the month wink777
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Make it ten years and you’ll have my vote for king of the month wink777
After five years I doubt that any proposed changes would be very popular.
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I simply do not understand your angst over a bible endorsement --- especially for one that has been around for a while and includes the fundamentals of our American Republic. Young voters are moving toward Trump big time. Imagine if he ends up pointing even a few hundred of them to their first bibles and the Constitution. Feels like a good to me.
But, we can't have this, because you hate the man.
To accuse me of spreading hate is quite low and despicable, even for you @Right_in_Virginia
You just can't help yourself @libertybele
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And here’s were it ends up when a Trumper is losing the debate
What once were vices are now habits.
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Absolute BS! Trump unleashed energy production in this country and THAT reduced the price of everything even with all the spending.
@Bigun
Here is the CPI for the sixteen quarters Trump was in office. All show annual rates. Only two of the 16 showed deflation. And both times, it was wiped out in the following quarter:
| Quarter | Change |
| 2017-Q1 | + 0.69 |
| 2017-Q2 | + 0.11 |
| 2017-Q3 | + 0.77 |
| 2017-Q4 | + 0.49 |
| 2018-Q1 | + 1.08 |
| 2018-Q2 | + 0.58 |
| 2018-Q3 | + 0.35 |
| 2018-Q4 | (0.46) |
| 2019-Q1 | + 1.52 |
| 2019-Q2 | + 0.40 |
| 2019-Q3 | + 0.30 |
| 2019-Q4 | + 0.24 |
| 2017-Q1 | (0.61) |
| 2017-Q2 | + 1.06 |
| 2017-Q3 | + 0.50 |
| 2017-Q4 | + 0.46 |
| 4 years | + 7.72 |
So where is the evidence of Trump reducing the price of everything?
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I don't disagree that we've got big -- YUGE -- problems with our debt. But before we can address that, we have to wrestle back the nation from certain ruin if it falls into the hands of the Dems.
Like we did in 2016? How did that work out?
Over the next four years, our debt grew by $8 trillion.
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@LMAO
Wait! I think I'm catching on. You're part of a false flag operation dreamed up by the likes of a James Carville type. There are many leftists hatching all kinds of nefarious talking points, and it seems like we're being treated to such a deception right here. Why else would we hear zero about the evil doings of the Democrats?
(See logical fallacies: Red Herring)
100% of the conversation you are hearing from this side is about "evil doings". But your side seems to be OK with "evil doings" when Republicans are the ones doing it.
Here it is again: This nation will not survive the current spending crisis. Our only hope is to get our house in order and put a stop to deficit spending. Unfortunately, Conservatives are the only ones here who understand that.
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The claim that pumping more oil is the key to reigning in inflation is not the case.
We are producing record amounts of oil yet inflation is still a problem
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-pumping-more-oil-country-221438851.html
If you want to conquer inflation, the only way is to do what the new Argentina president is doing. Stop the unsustainable spending and the printing to finance it. Period
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@LMAO
Wait! I think I'm catching on. You're part of a false flag operation dreamed up by the likes of a James Carville type. There are many leftists hatching all kinds of nefarious talking points, and it seems like we're being treated to such a deception right here. Why else would we hear zero about the evil doings of the Democrats? Hmmmm.... Rather it's a constant drumbeat of Trump, Trump, Trump. Again I say hmmmm... *hmmmm*
What leftist or Democrat is talking about fiscal and monetary issues and its impact? What leftist talking points do you see being used here?
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It boggles the mind of some that, to many of us, elections are still ultimately about issues and policy vs personality and entertainment
That it’s still about record and policy proposals and evaluating both and weighing pros and cons
YES. Boggling. Inexplicable, even... /s
What offends me is those who blithely write it all off..
Who cares that he presided over historic spending?
Who cares about the disastrous loss of liberty and destruction of business that he (PERSONALLY) initiated?
How could you ever write that off?
How could that be unimportant?
How can that be awarded?
THAT's what's inexplicable.
That is without reason.
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[...] no one is hearing the other's argument.
That's because there can be no argument, @AllThatJazzZ
There is no reasonable middle ground.
Tumpy's zealots expect Conservatives to come to heel, and to discard principle, and forget the record. To even vote *FOR* the very things they stand against..
That is never going to happen.
I am here for Conservatism. Not Tumpy.
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Morbi nec remedia ferre possumus.
(We can stand neither the disease nor the remedy)
The disease is Buydem and the remedy is Tumpy?
Nay. The disease is Buydem and the disease is Tumpy.
That is no remedy.
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In addition, we used every possible opportunity to convince others posing as Republicans how their embrace of reckless monetary policy and massive debt is leading to the destruction of said Republic. Only then will they recognize their enemy. They will understand that their only hope of recreating that lost republic is through the establishment of limited government empowered only by the constraint of
existing within its means.
THAT IS LIBERTY. That is where it is.
The enemy is government, not Democrats.
Put government back within its constraints, and the Democrats are powerless.
So anything that is not performing that function is adding to the problem.
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Why else would we hear zero about the evil doings of the Democrats?
Be sure to let me know the next time a Trump supporter complains about Biden running up $8 trillion in new debt in only four years.
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Seriously? You gonna run with that? I doubt your grandchildren will even be speaking to you after they realize the part you played in allowing the Democrats to topple our republic. If you're dead and gone, they'll be peeing on your grave. They'll be overrun with illegals. They'll likely be victims of crime (Dems aren't known for law and order).
Assuming they're white, they'll be punished for their ethnicity because, of course they're white supremacists.
They'll be driving EVs -- if they're allowed to drive at all. They could be corralled to the nearest 15-minute city and forced to rely on some type of peoplemover for transportation. And China will be all the more powerful as the US fades and must depend on them for everything that makes EVs run.
With our schools already being indoctrinal institutions, what awaits your grandkids' grandkids?
Immorality will be unchecked since many will fall away from faith in God. After all, the FBI is already calling us terrorists in the first Biden administration. Why, they'll have to release thousands of violent criminals to make room for those scary believers who walk in the counsel of the Lord. Texas may as well admit defeat and remove the razor wire. There will be no need for a border if the Dems have a second bite at the apple.
I could go on. I shouldn't have to. Anyone who can't see the writing on the wall is someone I simply can't understand.
It is overweening government that is doing that. Not Democrats. When Tumpy's next term is done, he will give it back to Democrats, bigger and badder than before him.
That's what happened last time.
And you want to do it again.
What is the definition of insanity?
Conservatives need to return to their root and understand that the Kabuki theater fight between the left and the right is just that - It is government that is the enemy. Always has been in the Conservative mind.
That must be what you don't understand.
That must be why you are willing to reward the historic spending and historic loss of liberty with another term.
Y'all open the door wide on the right, and liberalism walks right in.
Liberalism on the Right, Liberalism on the Left...
No one is left to defend liberty.
And this great country goes into the dark night with a roar of approval from the right... of all things.
You are fighting nothing.
You are letting them in.
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Here you go
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/government-revenue/
. In 2022, the U.S. government collected the highest total revenue in its history.
You pour "free" money into the economy and tax collections go up because that money is circulating. Prices also go up because the value of the currency went down. Everyone gets poorer while the money is flying around giving the illusion of prosperity. It's a deadly addiction that destroys whatever country that decides to go down that road. Both Trump and Biden love to delivering the juice to get the near term high.
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Nope
Many of us were warning about the inflation risks during the shutdown and it appears we were right
Screaming it, at the top of our lungs, even. To deaf ears, it seems.
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Sorry @AllThatJazzZ I got sidetracked.
I assumed that GROK was an acronym for some Grocery Retailers association, but I really don't know. And the price of energy affects the price of EVERYTHING.
@Bigun @AllThatJazzZ
No. GROK is to comprehend... understand... Wrap your arms around the whole thing.
Geek speak.
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Funny how some only notice that when they can use Trump in a sentence.
That's not right.
It's expected to come from the Left.
It is remarkable when it comes from the Right.
You expect Conservatives to rise up to protect us from Democrats by voting *FOR* AWFUL, record breaking economic policies on the RIGHT.
Vote for liberalism to beat liberalism.
Vote for disastrous fiscal policy to fix inflation.
It's insanity. *****rollingeyes*****
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Do tax revenues lead or lag changes in energy policy?
Lowering energy costs is a massive boost production and our standard of living. No doubt about that.
But...
When Trump was celebrating his "fantastic" economy his deficit spending was only increasing. It is a contradiction to claim a fantastic economy while at the same time having accelerating debt. It shows that government spending was the primary driver of that "growth". Partying on the credit card. Even worse the government counts deficit spending towards GDP... It's a massive lie.
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Lowering energy costs is a massive boost production and our standard of living. No doubt about that.
But...
When Trump was celebrating his "fantastic" economy his deficit spending was only increasing. It is a contradiction to claim a fantastic economy while at the same time having accelerating debt. It shows that government spending was the primary driver of that "growth". Partying on the credit card. Even worse the government counts deficit spending towards GDP... It's a massive lie.
The government LIES about everything and that started long before either of us was alive @DB
Given the choices we have, I'll be voting FOR trump on election day if he is still breathing. End of discussion.
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The disease is Buydem and the remedy is Tumpy?
Nay. The disease is Buydem and the disease is Tumpy.
That is no remedy.
Trump is living to fight another day. Nothing more and I have never said anything other.
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Trump is living to fight another day. Nothing more and I have never said anything other.
No, Tumpy is letting liberalism in on the Right. That is losing massive ground.
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@Bigun
Here is the CPI for the sixteen quarters Trump was in office. All show annual rates. Only two of the 16 showed deflation. And both times, it was wiped out in the following quarter:
| Quarter | Change |
| 2017-Q1 | + 0.69 |
| 2017-Q2 | + 0.11 |
| 2017-Q3 | + 0.77 |
| 2017-Q4 | + 0.49 |
| 2018-Q1 | + 1.08 |
| 2018-Q2 | + 0.58 |
| 2018-Q3 | + 0.35 |
| 2018-Q4 | (0.46) |
| 2019-Q1 | + 1.52 |
| 2019-Q2 | + 0.40 |
| 2019-Q3 | + 0.30 |
| 2019-Q4 | + 0.24 |
| 2017-Q1 | (0.61) |
| 2017-Q2 | + 1.06 |
| 2017-Q3 | + 0.50 |
| 2017-Q4 | + 0.46 |
| 4 years | + 7.72 |
So where is the evidence of Trump reducing the price of everything?
If I recall, didn’t the Obama administration try doing something with CPI numbers to make them look better than they really were? And that was during a fracking boom
@Hoodat
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Lowering energy costs is a massive boost production and our standard of living. No doubt about that.
But...
When Trump was celebrating his "fantastic" economy his deficit spending was only increasing. It is a contradiction to claim a fantastic economy while at the same time having accelerating debt. It shows that government spending was the primary driver of that "growth". Partying on the credit card. Even worse the government counts deficit spending towards GDP... It's a massive lie.
Obama, Trump, and Biden are following more of Keynesian model of economics. And Trump believes in modern monetary theory, also. Just like AOC and Bernie Sanders
Economically, I see all three men as the same
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Lowering energy costs is a massive boost production and our standard of living. No doubt about that.
But...
When Trump was celebrating his "fantastic" economy his deficit spending was only increasing. It is a contradiction to claim a fantastic economy while at the same time having accelerating debt. It shows that government spending was the primary driver of that "growth". Partying on the credit card. Even worse the government counts deficit spending towards GDP... It's a massive lie.
This is why Trump wants to pressure the federal reserve to lower interest rates if he’s president. He wants to follow the same economic policy that sending us down a dangerous and unsustainable path
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@Bigun
Here is the CPI for the sixteen quarters Trump was in office. All show annual rates. Only two of the 16 showed deflation. And both times, it was wiped out in the following quarter:
| Quarter | Change |
| 2017-Q1 | + 0.69 |
| 2017-Q2 | + 0.11 |
| 2017-Q3 | + 0.77 |
| 2017-Q4 | + 0.49 |
| 2018-Q1 | + 1.08 |
| 2018-Q2 | + 0.58 |
| 2018-Q3 | + 0.35 |
| 2018-Q4 | (0.46) |
| 2019-Q1 | + 1.52 |
| 2019-Q2 | + 0.40 |
| 2019-Q3 | + 0.30 |
| 2019-Q4 | + 0.24 |
| 2017-Q1 | (0.61) |
| 2017-Q2 | + 1.06 |
| 2017-Q3 | + 0.50 |
| 2017-Q4 | + 0.46 |
| 4 years | + 7.72 |
So where is the evidence of Trump reducing the price of everything?
Inflation numbers came in hot again despite record oil production and since we now have tangible evidence that prices were not reduced during Trump’s tenure despite unleashing oil production, what’s the plan?
Both candidate’s plan is to continue to spend more and hope that any calamities happen when they’re out of office