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Title: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they claim?
Post by: corbe on April 02, 2020, 12:14:52 am
  What say you, Briefers?

   
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2020, 12:25:54 am
I went with option one. But I don't think it is "gone wrong". In the sense that dependency on the nanny state will be the ultimate goal/outcome. Which has always been the goal.
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2020, 12:29:01 am
According to Wikipedia patient zero was identified on Dec. 1, 2019 and had NO contact with the wet market. Although there is a 'story' that patient zero was identified in November.
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: Free Vulcan on April 02, 2020, 01:02:40 am
I read alot of tweets by top shelf geneticists, epidemiologists, and the like, and they all were doubtful of this being a natural virus.

Not to mention all the Wuhan related hanky-panky going on before this went down.
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: bigheadfred on April 02, 2020, 01:51:03 am
I read alot of tweets by top shelf geneticists, epidemiologists, and the like, and they all were doubtful of this being a natural virus.

Not to mention all the Wuhan related hanky-panky going on before this went down.

I have read a lot of academic articles/papers, too. Both for and against.

If this came from an animal in a wet market then show me "the" animal.

 
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: corbe on April 02, 2020, 01:51:50 am
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Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 02, 2020, 02:22:04 am
I think someone was selling used lab animals on the side, and that likely a couple of humans got it from those before they were in the market.
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: Bigun on April 02, 2020, 02:26:24 am
I think both answers are applicable.  I agree with @Smokin Joe
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: libertybele on April 02, 2020, 02:45:07 am
Bio weapon gone wrong?  I think definitely a bio weapon, but gone wrong?  Not so sure. Well, I have thought of several possibilities. Maybe China's intent is to cripple the world economy and China is hoping to devalue the dollar so much that the Chinese currency will become the world currency.  This may be retaliatory power grab because of Trump's tariffs.  Sure it impacted their people as well -- but getting rid of some of their older population will be a relief on their economy.

I also wouldn't be at all surprised if the Bidens, Clintons and Obama are involved.  The DEMS will stop at absolutely nothing to ensure that Trump is not re-elected.

I have some other theories, but better to not post.

IMHO, I think Trump knows or at least suspects what happened ... he's been good at not reacting and accusing...he can't...yet.



Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 02, 2020, 06:34:29 am
Bio weapon gone wrong?  I think definitely a bio weapon, but gone wrong?  Not so sure. Well, I have thought of several possibilities. Maybe China's intent is to cripple the world economy and China is hoping to devalue the dollar so much that the Chinese currency will become the world currency.  This may be retaliatory power grab because of Trump's tariffs.  Sure it impacted their people as well -- but getting rid of some of their older population will be a relief on their economy.

I also wouldn't be at all surprised if the Bidens, Clintons and Obama are involved.  The DEMS will stop at absolutely nothing to ensure that Trump is not re-elected.

I have some other theories, but better to not post.

IMHO, I think Trump knows or at least suspects what happened ... he's been good at not reacting and accusing...he can't...yet.
I think it may be 'gone wrong' in the sense that the timing was not under control (fully intentional).
Attempts to cover up the virus and destroy samples may indicate a desire to keep it secret for a planned release later.
In a planned release, you would think the story would have been set up, the virus released in some other population in a different country, even if it could be tied back to China.
I'm not sure the Chinese planned to dump  this in their own population to the apparent extent it has been, if at all.
It would have been far easier to find a way to spread it using 'escapees', expendable trade personnel, students, or even keep it under wraps looking for ways to make it more deadly.

Once it was out, their pronouncements certainly contributed to the spread, but I think that is because it was out already and they decided to maybe (deniably) make the most of it, which is why we keep hearing that patient zero was from the wet market, even though I recall hearing information to the contrary.

The nonsense about H2H transmission being nonexistent, then difficult, then coming clean after it was obvious that H2H transmission was going on would all have the effect to amplifying the outbreak.

As for the Dems, from the announcements in NYC to the CDC to the WHO (just global socialists, not Democrats), flawed test kits, State Dept personnel putting infected people on a flight to the US with uninfected people despite orders to the contrary, etc., all served to enhance the spread and increase the panic, putting the stock market in free fall.
Panic, calamity, economic crash, increased debt, opportunity to berate Trump, and FEAR, all designed to blow your mind and a crisis not to be wasted, IF the MSM, the Dems, and their fellow travelers can get away with that.

Do I think the likes of the Clintons, Soros, and others would capitalize on the deaths of thousands to get and keep power? Oh, hell yeah. Not to  mention create market volatility that could make them trillions.
Even to establish precedent for shelving the Constitution for the 'duration of the Emergency' would serve their goals nicely, because we can always have another emergency when they are in power, real or not.
Believe that TPTB are studying the action/reaction response patterns in this, looking for ways to refine how far, how much, they can push the public and what level of panic has to be ginned up before people are tearfully begging for their Rights to be shredded just to feel safe.

If POTUS were to accuse the Chinese of an act of war, he would have to respond. Not the best time for that, and the American People know where this came from, will blame the Chinese for the shortages in the stores (even though that is a demand/supply problem), and will come out of this with an understanding, not that we need a global economy, but that we'd damn sure better be able to provide what we need for our own selves.
In that sense, there will be opportunity to rebuild and even regrow our economy, and if we take a Rosie the Riveter "can do"  attitude toward that, we will be stronger in the long run, and our enemies will come out of the fracas deprived of a source of income.
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: Bigun on April 02, 2020, 01:16:24 pm
I think it may be 'gone wrong' in the sense that the timing was not under control (fully intentional).
Attempts to cover up the virus and destroy samples may indicate a desire to keep it secret for a planned release later.
In a planned release, you would think the story would have been set up, the virus released in some other population in a different country, even if it could be tied back to China.
I'm not sure the Chinese planned to dump  this in their own population to the apparent extent it has been, if at all.
It would have been far easier to find a way to spread it using 'escapees', expendable trade personnel, students, or even keep it under wraps looking for ways to make it more deadly.

Once it was out, their pronouncements certainly contributed to the spread, but I think that is because it was out already and they decided to maybe (deniably) make the most of it, which is why we keep hearing that patient zero was from the wet market, even though I recall hearing information to the contrary.

The nonsense about H2H transmission being nonexistent, then difficult, then coming clean after it was obvious that H2H transmission was going on would all have the effect to amplifying the outbreak.

As for the Dems, from the announcements in NYC to the CDC to the WHO (just global socialists, not Democrats), flawed test kits, State Dept personnel putting infected people on a flight to the US with uninfected people despite orders to the contrary, etc., all served to enhance the spread and increase the panic, putting the stock market in free fall.
Panic, calamity, economic crash, increased debt, opportunity to berate Trump, and FEAR, all designed to blow your mind and a crisis not to be wasted, IF the MSM, the Dems, and their fellow travelers can get away with that.

Do I think the likes of the Clintons, Soros, and others would capitalize on the deaths of thousands to get and keep power? Oh, hell yeah. Not to  mention create market volatility that could make them trillions.
Even to establish precedent for shelving the Constitution for the 'duration of the Emergency' would serve their goals nicely, because we can always have another emergency when they are in power, real or not.
Believe that TPTB are studying the action/reaction response patterns in this, looking for ways to refine how far, how much, they can push the public and what level of panic has to be ginned up before people are tearfully begging for their Rights to be shredded just to feel safe.

If POTUS were to accuse the Chinese of an act of war, he would have to respond. Not the best time for that, and the American People know where this came from, will blame the Chinese for the shortages in the stores (even though that is a demand/supply problem), and will come out of this with an understanding, not that we need a global economy, but that we'd damn sure better be able to provide what we need for our own selves.
In that sense, there will be opportunity to rebuild and even regrow our economy, and if we take a Rosie the Riveter "can do"  attitude toward that, we will be stronger in the long run, and our enemies will come out of the fracas deprived of a source of income.

The Clintons have been in bed with the CHICOMS for at least thirty years- anyone besides me remember the names Charlie Tre and John Huang? -  and regardless of HOW it got out, IMO it is serving them well as a trial balloon so to speak.
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 02, 2020, 01:28:46 pm
The Clintons have been in bed with the CHICOMS for at least thirty years- anyone besides me remember the names Charlie Tre and John Huang? -  and regardless of HOW it got out, IMO it is serving them well as a trial balloon so to speak.
I recall Loral and Hughes Aerospace helping them launch satellites, only when the rocket crashed, the critical electronics for the attitude and control package were missing. Suddenly, the Clintons were richer and the Chinese could launch to LEO...all by themselves.
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: Bigun on April 02, 2020, 01:54:53 pm
I recall Loral and Hughes Aerospace helping them launch satellites, only when the rocket crashed, the critical electronics for the attitude and control package were missing. Suddenly, the Clintons were richer and the Chinese could launch to LEO...all by themselves.

Not to mention MIRVs.
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: jafo2010 on April 03, 2020, 12:37:22 am
I know someone that spent decades in bio weapons, and that individual says it is a bio weapon.  And regardless how it was released, it was, and the Chicoms worked hard to cover it all up.  And for good reason when you think that their only bio weapons lab is in Wuhan.

And the Clintons being involved just points to their reputation.  Anything is possible, and I do not discount the idea they coordinated with the Chicoms with the intent to discredit Trump.  Nothing is beyond the realm of belief.  There are many dead that were once around the Clintons, dying young and violent deaths.

And I still believe it will be CLINTON vs TRUMP.  I believe she has been pulling the strings for two years.

Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 03, 2020, 12:44:00 am
I know someone that spent decades in bio weapons, and that individual says it is a bio weapon.  And regardless how it was released, it was, and the Chicoms worked hard to cover it all up.  And for good reason when you think that their only vio weapons lab is in Wuhan.

And the Clintons being involved just points to their reputation.  Anything is possible, and I do not discount the idea they coordinated with the Chicoms with the intent to discredit Trump.  Nothing is beyond the realm of belief.  There are many dead that were once around the Clintons, dying young and violent deaths.

And I still believe it will be CLINTON vs TRUMP.  I believe she has been pulling the strings for two years.
She or her handlers. After all, Epstein didn't kill himself...
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: jmyrlefuller on April 03, 2020, 02:01:33 am
Those markets are filthy. It's no secret that several disease threats have emerged from China.

But even if it were or were not a Chinese bioweapon, I'm pretty sure the Chinese were in no rush to stop it from being exported.
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 03, 2020, 02:35:21 am
Those markets are filthy. It's no secret that several disease threats have emerged from China.

But even if it were or were not a Chinese bioweapon, I'm pretty sure the Chinese were in no rush to stop it from being exported.
Not lethal enough to get nuked for, but a good test case. Study Government/medical/public response, effectiveness, remodel plan...
Sell a few 'lightly used' animals from the lab to the wet market, and off to the races...
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: mortarman on April 06, 2020, 03:23:07 am
I think it was both.

The Clintons have been in bed with the CHICOMS for at least thirty years- anyone besides me remember the names Charlie Tre and John Huang? -  and regardless of HOW it got out, IMO it is serving them well as a trial balloon so to speak.

Also the Chappaquaw Crime Cartel sold US ICBM guidance technology to the ChiComms in 1996 for a $300,000 campaign contribution that ElfGlobe the Humongous picked up in cash from the Budhist nuns in Indonesia.

 :pop41:
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: The_Reader_David on April 06, 2020, 12:21:07 pm
Of course, there's another possibility (and the one I think most likely):  neither.  It came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (but was just being studied there, not developed as weapon) either by way of a researcher working on coronaviruses in bats getting infected and taking it home, or improper disposal of contaminated waste from the bat research project, or an actual leak from the laboratory, or an underpaid staff member selling lab animals as meat.  We know (public job postings) that there was a project on bat coronaviruses that was hiring in November, and that one of their top researchers Shi Zhengli (nick-named "bat woman" because of her research specialty) fretted that it could have come from the lab.
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: jpsb on April 06, 2020, 12:42:20 pm
I wnet with 1

Ask yourself why would the Chinese (and WHO) lie about this virus for months if they did not want it to spread. We were winning the trade war with China until we got hit with SAARS-cov-2. Now our economy is it the toilet and the Chinese are making the most of it. While they are telling the world that the virus does not spread from one human to another human they bought up all the buyable PPEs, they bought 1 billion N95 masks back in Dec. Clearly the Chinese wanted this virus to spread.
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: Smokin Joe on April 06, 2020, 01:50:37 pm
Once more, with feeling....

https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985)

Published: 09 November 2015

Two of the researchers are from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

From tthe Abstract:

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Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations.

Sound familiar? Anyone?
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: Bigun on April 06, 2020, 02:17:57 pm
Once more, with feeling....

https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985)

Published: 09 November 2015

Two of the researchers are from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

From tthe Abstract:

Sound familiar? Anyone?

Looks like that gun is smoking to me!
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: The_Reader_David on April 06, 2020, 10:55:23 pm

Ask yourself why would the Chinese (and WHO) lie about this virus for months if they did not want it to spread.

Why?  Why did the Soviets lie about the Chernobyl disaster?  Why do farms and factories in Communist countries lie about production figures so that their central planners don't have a clue what's really going on? 

The CYA sort of lying that's endemic in bureaucracies world wide is even worse when telling unpleasant truths to the higher ups get you a trip to the gulag or a bullet to the back of the skull, rather than just being pass over for promotion or suddenly needing to sharpen your resume.

Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: whitney69 on November 19, 2020, 08:46:10 pm
I'll answer your questions with a question. The horseshoe bat, the one that is attributed to C-19, is not a monogamous animal. They are prolific breeders. They have been found in great numbers from the east coast of China and Hong Kong to northern Africa and as far north as the Netherlands and Siberia on the mainland. Nests have been found in Iceland and Japan. So with all these bats, in hundreds of thousands of square mile of countries and oceans, how did this virus break out within miles of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, China's newest and largest bio weapons research facility by accident with China being the world leader in sales of bioweapons? And Trump started to even the score on trade deficits with tariffs in November 2019 about the time the virus surfaced. Coincidence? That would be a stretch wouldn't it for an illness that has been killing world wide and is traced to there?
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 19, 2020, 11:31:49 pm
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985)

Note the Authors, and that among them, Xing-Yi Ge is from
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Xing-Yi Ge    Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China
and (I missed this the first time I posted this information) Zhengli-Li Shi
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Zhengli-Li Shi     Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China


From the Abstract:
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Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations.
This research was done in North Carolina in 2014, funded (at least in part) by the NIAID. The paper was published in the journal Nature in 2015 after the project was shut down in North Carolina and moved to the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China. Funding continued from the NIAID to the tune of 7.5 million dollars.

The lab in Wuhan is a BSL-4 lab, the highest biosecurity level. I find it highly unlikely that the virus in Wuhan was anything but a chimera virus crated in the lab, and whether it got out by accident or design is moot (well almost).
Large numbers of Chinese were infected, starting possibly as early as September 2019, and that outbreak was covered up by the CCP. At that time, while travel inside of China was restricted, international travel remained unrestricted. Data were withheld, samples and records concealed or destroyed, as was the "wet market" destroyed (dismantled and sanitized) rather than investigate the source. Information given to the WHO was initially incorrect as to how communicable the disease was, and the head of the WHO was installed at the behest of the Chinese.
That this was timed to occur in an election year, that the primary purveyor of knowledge and advice is Fauci, who had knowledge of this pathogen, or at least the program that generated it, who warned of a surprise epidemic during the Trump Administration (not just some time in the future) and may have acted in self interest rather than public health, especially considering the almost inexplicable assault on proven treatments which work in other countries, but apparently not here if you believe the CDC.
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: bigheadfred on November 20, 2020, 12:13:46 am
They set up for a happy accident with some major players around the world and when that happy accident occurred they opened up full throttle. It is a Medusa they are creating.

It is a marketing scheme that is highly afflictive.

The only way to the Singularity is to get the herd moving in the same direction by not moving. Lambs for the slaughter.

I've read numerous papers and this, along with robots, along with the destruction of religion, family, culture, race. Now the election shitshow.

They are succeeding to a large degree. But they will fail. It may and probably will take me life, but that is why I am here. To stop them. Eff them to HELL.
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: bigheadfred on November 20, 2020, 12:16:52 am
Apropos of nothing I work from home now. I've called in sick for the last two weeks.

Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: sneakypete on November 20, 2020, 12:21:44 am
Originally let loose from the lab,and then aided by the wet market.

This epidemic was PURPOSELY created and let loose on the world.
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 20, 2020, 01:07:36 am
And the only thing worse was the reaction: https://www.brighteon.com/8d5b506a-2f21-41b1-93c2-6b47606c79ec (https://www.brighteon.com/8d5b506a-2f21-41b1-93c2-6b47606c79ec)
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: The_Reader_David on November 21, 2020, 01:13:23 pm
The poll is missing what is my view is the most likely explanation, that it is the result of a lab accident not involving an attempt to make a bio weapon.  We know the Wuhan Institute of Virology ran job ads in November for researchers to join a group studying bat coronaviruses.  (As SARS and MERS were more deadly but less contagious coronaviruses that jumped from bats to humans, there are perfectly good non-military reasons to study such viruses.)   We know that publicly available cell phone location data shows an anomalous lack of activity in and near the WIV for a stretch of time shortly before the outbreak, suggesting some sort of incident that caused a shut-down.  We know that foreign researchers working in China have commented on the laxness of containment measures at Chinese bioresearch labs.  We know that Chinese researchers are underpaid and there have been incidents at other Chinese labs of them selling lab animals as meat, rather than going through proper disposal procedures.  We know that the WIV's Shi Zhengli, dubbed "the bat woman" because of her program of research and willingness to go into the field to capture bats fretted publicly that the virus may have come from her lab. 

I suspect her concerns were valid, and it did come from her lab.  But her lab was not working on bio weapons, rather studying bat coronaviruses in an effort to forestall exactly what the leak caused, another SARS-like pandemic.  The cell phone location data suggests an actual accident, rather than lab animals being sold at the wet market, but the latter is also a possible way it could have escaped.
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 21, 2020, 02:55:14 pm
@The_Reader_David Please see post 24, this thread. If you go to the link, provided Nature hasn't scrubbed the article, you will see a group of researchers published results of their work in viral 'enhancement'.


The bottom line that everyone seems to ignore is that this work was done under the auspices, at least in part funded by NIAID.  The paper cited there is from 2015, research done in 2014. That research was shut down in the US, and moved to The Wuhan Institute of Virology under the Obama Administration, and funded, in part by NIAID.  The description of the virus, the effects of the virus (attacking type 1  pneumocytes), even the grafted in bat coronavirus lineage all fit SARS CoV-2. Two  of the researchers from the original team were from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, so the knowledge, if not the samples and notes and all other information were readily available to them.

Keep in mind Fauci has been in his position for three decades at NIAID, and predicted the Trump Administration would face a surprise Pandemic, back in 2017 https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20170111/fauci-no-doubt-trump-will-face-surprise-infectious-disease-outbreak (https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20170111/fauci-no-doubt-trump-will-face-surprise-infectious-disease-outbreak)
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...there is “no doubt” Donald J. Trump will be confronted with a surprise infectious disease outbreak during his presidency

Now, this wasn't said as if this might happen some time in the distant or even inconclusive future, but was tied to the specific time frame of the Trump Administration, which would end in 2018 if not reelected. That's a pretty tight window as far as predicting pandemics goes--unless you know something the average shmuck doesn't.. Reading the rest of the article at healio.com, it is apparent that at least some in the Administration's Health agencies harbored harsh sentiment toward the President.

I have no doubt that the virus was man made. Whether the outbreak was an accidental release, whether the timing was intentional, I would not put it past the CCP to use the opportunity to infect the globe to get at a president they had had a hard time buying off (unlike Clinton or Biden), who actually stiff armed them on trade deals instead of sucking up and making more money. "America First" does not play well with the CCP.

At any rate, whether opportunistic or generally planned, the CCP has little problem sacrificing a few thousand expatriates to carry the disease around the globe, and hid the nature of the outbreak from the world, as best they could, in order to do so, and failed to implement policies to limit the spread outside China, in fact, while limiting the spread of the SARS CoV-2 virus within their country. Early cases in the general population there may have appeared as far back as September of 2019.

(As an aside, keep in mind that for all the hostility the Biden camp has toward fraccing, many failures at the surface, though they be few, were the result of failures of equipment made in China, something the US Oil and Gas industry quickly learned to avoid. American made tubular goods, valves, and wellheads have a FAR better track record for safety and durability. Trump's policies favoring American goods have had an environmental effect as well as an economic one, and the strategic benefit of having a stronger American steel industry cannot be understated, considering when it was determined that HMMVs needed to be uparmored for use in Iraq and Afghanistan, the steel was in short supply domestically because of only one manufacturer.)

I must ask, what purpose in creating a chimera virus for enhanced capability if not for biological warfare? This virus did not exist in nature. The likelihood of the bat corona virus recombining in nature with a SARS virus in a mouse is so ridiculously small as to be approaching zero. Because of the international conventions surrounding the development of biological warfare agents, any such research would be cloaked under the penumbra of medical research, but the effects are obvious. Had the MSM let out that the virus was indeed the "CCP or CHINA Virus", made in a lab there, the effect on the election would have been obvious. Had America known Fauci was aware, at a minimum of the research going on there in Wuhan, Americans would have demanded his resignation.

When I connect these dots, I keep getting the same picture: the agent of the pandemic was manufactured. FOr political, trade, and other reasons, it was advantageous for the Chinese, the Democrat Party (whose domestic policies maximized the number of fatalities and continue to cripple the domestic economy on an individual as well as a collective basis), and has been presented in the MSM as a negative for the Administration, despite tremendous efforts and accomplishments in everything from finding treatments to a vaccine, presented as "having done nothing", which could not be farther from the truth. (See timelines documented at the links in @PeteS in CA 's posts in his signature lines).
If this was not an intentional release for the purposes of creating chaos in the coming elections (enabling, for instance, "mail in voting", with unprecedented opportunity for fraud), for the purpose of electing a Democrat who would do 'business as usual' with the Communist Chinese, then it has been most a most fortuitous accident for those parties, and to the detriment of America, Americans, and our economy.

Should Biden prevail in this election, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: Victoria33 on November 21, 2020, 11:52:59 pm
Not lethal enough to get nuked for, but a good test case. Study Government/medical/public response, effectiveness, remodel plan...
Sell a few 'lightly used' animals from the lab to the wet market, and off to the races...
@Smokin Joe
@Cyber Liberty

I have been in mainland China in an outdoor wet market.  The world usually gets a new flu epidemic from China every year.  Here is how it comes about:

I was in mainland China in the country, on dry land.  As far as I could see, there was a white ocean around me.  These were White Pekin ducks.  They are loose, not in pens.
Diseased birds land on the ducks and give them a virus.  The ducks mingle with chickens, the people eat the chicken and are infected.  A Chinese person, or American traveler eats the chicken with the disease, or gets it from a Chinese person, gets sick and carries it to the US and most all countries. 
I went there in spring, and in fall, a new flu was in the US and other countries and the Chinese were trying to discover what triggered this illness.  In my mind,I said, "Call me - its the ducks!"  Sure enough, it was the ducks and they killed ducks to stop the flu there.

How it was in the open wet market:
Live fish and live eels were swimming in tubs, dead fish, chickens, ducks, were hanging from hooks.  Chickens were walking around as were the ducks.  No refrigerator in sight.

Women were gathering together, looking at me and giggling.  Our guide told me they don't see people with blonde hair so I was "different". My husband was muscular, large  build, and Chinese men/women looked at him.  Guide said they think your husband is wealthy because he had enough to eat.
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: jafo2010 on November 22, 2020, 12:36:04 am
My wife is an infectious disease physician, and she says she believes 100% this is a lab produced virus, and that it is a bio weapon.  I say this was done intentionally, and if China owns Biden as I believe they do, it was coordinated with the Dems with the intent to destroy Trump's candidacy for POTUS.

We are about to install a TRAITOR as POTUS, who is totally owned by China.

Only bad things will come to America with this fool at the helm.  Irreparable harm, I am 100% certain!
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: sneakypete on November 22, 2020, 03:46:01 pm
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My wife is an infectious disease physician, and she says she believes 100% this is a lab produced virus, and that it is a bio weapon.


She is a smart woman. You need to make sure she stays happy.

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I say this was done intentionally,


Absolutely! There is no way in hell the DNC could have gotten away with running Slow Joe without the shutdown to give them cover.

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and if China owns Biden as I believe they do, it was coordinated with the Dems with the intent to destroy Trump's candidacy for POTUS.


Not to mention destroy America,period. China wants to control Asia,and is willing to work with Soros and others to help them control the west because they know they can do business with Soros and the rest of the international bankers.


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We are about to install a TRAITOR as POTUS, who is totally owned by China.

Close,but no cigar. He is owned by Soros & Company,but anybody with the cash or "other instruments" can rent him.

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Only bad things will come to America with this fool at the helm.  Irreparable harm, I am 100% certain!

No argument there!

How can there be,when the Globalist Bankers put in the White House PURELY to destroy America?
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 22, 2020, 06:10:55 pm
I just can't shake Fauci's comments that the Trump administration would face a surprise epidemic.

Considering that rodent knew of the research in N.C., knew it had been moved to Wuhan, and had funded it through NIAID. The description of the pathogen and its effects in the abstract in the Nature article pretty much describe SARS-CoV-2 to a T.

From the Abstract:
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Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations.

Note that two of the authors in the original research are from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985) Web page that gives information on authors (click on author's name)
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: Bigun on November 22, 2020, 06:12:51 pm
I just can't shake Fauci's comments that the Trump administration would face a surprise epidemic.

Considering that rodent knew of the research in N.C., knew it had been moved to Wuhan, and had funded it through NIAID. The description of the pathogen and its effects in the abstract in the Nature article pretty much describe SARS-CoV-2 to a T.

From the Abstract:
Note that two of the authors in the original research are from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985) Web page that gives information on authors (click on author's name)

I hear you!
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: skeeter on November 22, 2020, 06:17:40 pm
I just can't shake Fauci's comments that the Trump administration would face a surprise epidemic.

Considering that rodent knew of the research in N.C., knew it had been moved to Wuhan, and had funded it through NIAID. The description of the pathogen and its effects in the abstract in the Nature article pretty much describe SARS-CoV-2 to a T.

From the Abstract:
Note that two of the authors in the original research are from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985) Web page that gives information on authors (click on author's name)
And now the ratfaced quack is talking cheerfully about herd immunity.
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 22, 2020, 06:18:20 pm
And now the ratfaced quack is talking cheerfully about herd immunity.
Yeah. How 'bout that.
Title: Re: Is/was coronavirus a bio-weapon gone wrong or did the virus come from the wet markets as they cl
Post by: truth_seeker on December 13, 2020, 02:07:11 am
1968:

Hong Kong Flu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu



Then along  came Spinal Menengitus