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February 23, 2018
New Lost in Space has a black Judy Robinson, a Hispanic Major West, and a female Dr. Smith
By Ed Straker
Netflix is remaking the campy 1960s series Lost in Space. As might be expected, the network is doing everything it can to ethnically cleanse white people and men from the cast, but it's a hard proposition, given that in the original series, the story focused on Professor John Robinson, a white man; his white wife, Maureen Robinson; Major Don West, a white man; Will Robinson, a white boy; and Dr. Zachary Smith, a white man.
The show-runners started by replacing Dr. Smith with a woman, Parker Posey. Yes, Dr. Smith is now a girl (in much the same way that Britain's Dr. Who is now Nurse Who).
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:facepalm2:
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And I'm sure it will be even more annoying than the original......
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And I'm sure it will be even more annoying than the original......
It will be just about as successful as that last Ghostbusters movie.
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And I'm sure it will be even more annoying than the original......
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What ever do you mean?!
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What a bunch of shit.
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What a bunch of shit.
Par for the course in Hollywood these days.
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I swear, it's becoming a real-life version of "The Producers" where they intentionally make flops for financial gain.
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I hated this show..it was so lame. This was during the days when a family only had one tv..my younger brothers and sister loved it so the rest of us had to suffer through it.
(http://magnavoxhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/83.-2011.20.1.jpg)
and I hated Billy Mummy.....(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/2c/f1/c7/2cf1c7c3874743a85ab69d48ce8bac7f--bill-mumy-lost-in-space.jpg)
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Black Panther is cleaning up because they went with a distinct character that is a black guy rather than altering some established white character.
Star Trek kept the theme of the show but introduced new characters for different time periods. Different characters.
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I hated this show..it was so lame. This was during the days when a family only had one tv..my younger brothers and sister loved it so the rest of us had to suffer through it.
(http://magnavoxhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/83.-2011.20.1.jpg)
and I hated Billy Mummy.....(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/2c/f1/c7/2cf1c7c3874743a85ab69d48ce8bac7f--bill-mumy-lost-in-space.jpg)
I liked him in Babylon 5.
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I hated this show..it was so lame. This was during the days when a family only had one tv..my younger brothers and sister loved it so the rest of us had to suffer through it.
(http://magnavoxhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/83.-2011.20.1.jpg)
and I hated Billy Mummy.....(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/2c/f1/c7/2cf1c7c3874743a85ab69d48ce8bac7f--bill-mumy-lost-in-space.jpg)
Okay. You are dead to me. Long live your younger brothers and sister. The ones with good taste.
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I hated this show..it was so lame. This was during the days when a family only had one tv..my younger brothers and sister loved it so the rest of us had to suffer through it.
The producer, Irwin Allen, had total contempt for his viewers - tv or movies. He thought we were a bunch of idiots.
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It doesn't matter one bit. There is no need or reason to 'stay true to the original'. Because less than 5% of people in America even know what the original was.
As Hillary said, 'What difference at this point does it make!"
How do you make a movie of a sitcom that had a laugh track every few seconds?
Beverly Hillbillies movie was the worst movie ever made.
Fred Flintstone movie stunk and failed
Brady Bunch movie stunk and failed
Adams Family movie stunk and failed
Lost in Space movie stunk and failed...soon
And a dozen others
The idiots in Hollywood are trying to spoof something that nobody knows about. Everybody leaves confused. The people who know what it is hate it. And the people who don't know what the original was, don't understand half the satire and jokes. It's a lose, lose, and that's why they always fail.
Still waiting for that blockbuster 'Alf' movie or maybe a 'My Three Sons' remake? I'm giving them ideas, and they will do it. Just wait and see.
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Okay. You are dead to me. Long live your younger brothers and sister. The ones with good taste.
Is that you Tom?......[my younger brother]
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Is that you Tom?......[my younger brother]
Yep .... It is me. Your favorite younger brother from a another mother. :beer:
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It doesn't matter one bit. There is no need or reason to 'stay true to the original'. Because less than 5% of people in America even know what the original was.
As Hillary said, 'What difference at this point does it make!"
How do you make a movie of a sitcom that had a laugh track every few seconds?
Beverly Hillbillies movie was the worst movie ever made.
Fred Flintstone movie stunk and failed
Brady Bunch movie stunk and failed
Adams Family movie stunk and failed
Lost in Space movie stunk and failed...soon
And a dozen others
The idiots in Hollywood are trying to spoof something that nobody knows about. Everybody leaves confused. The people who know what it is hate it. And the people who don't know what the original was, don't understand half the satire and jokes. It's a lose, lose, and that's why they always fail.
Still waiting for that blockbuster 'Alf' movie or maybe a 'My Three Sons' remake? I'm giving them ideas, and they will do it. Just wait and see.
They already did a remake of Lost in Space. It already stunk and failed, this will be stink and fail II.
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(http://admin.americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2018-02/204428_5_.jpg)
What ever do you mean?!
(http://i63.tinypic.com/14lool4.jpg)
It's so sad we have gone from
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To this
(http://i67.tinypic.com/30hv9ya.jpg)
And now we're gonna get this?
(http://i67.tinypic.com/b4gweh.jpg) Aint diversity grand?
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Something tells me in this version of Lost in Space we are not going to see Talking Vegetables or Space Hippies. I'll give this show a chance.
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I'm going to miss Robbie the Robot.
(And the girls 60s clothes)
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Something tells me in this version of Lost in Space we are not going to see Talking Vegetables or Space Hippies. I'll give this show a chance.
It's Netflix so it won't be happening at my house, even by accident. :shrug:
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I'm going to miss Robbie the Robot.
Danger Danger Will Robinson was B-9. Robbie was Forbidden Planet.
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I'm going to miss Robbie the Robot.
(And the girls 60s clothes)
He was on one episode of Lost in Space. Early in the first season, I believe.
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It's Netflix so it won't be happening at my house, even by accident. :shrug:
I have Netflix. The only thing I'm looking forward to in March is the new season of Trailer Park Boys.
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He was on one episode of Lost in Space. Early in the first season, I believe.
He was also on an episode of Columbo. How cool is that?
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I have Netflix. The only thing I'm looking forward to in March is the new season of Trailer Park Boys.
:thumbsup:
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:thumbsup:
After Trudeau dressed up as an Indian, I propose that any leaders visiting Canada, should dress up as the Trailer Park Boys.
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He was on one episode of Lost in Space. Early in the first season, I believe.
Yep ,Lost in Space episode #20 "War of the Robots" and in episode #60 "Condemned of Space".
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He was also on an episode of Columbo. How cool is that?
Robby did enough movie and TV slots like that he can seriously be considered "Character Actor." I should do an ImDB search on "him."
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After Trudeau dressed up as an Indian, I propose that any leaders visiting Canada, should dress up as the Trailer Park Boys.
Off topic, won't be the same with Mr, Lahey gone. RIP.
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After Trudeau dressed up as an Indian, I propose that any leaders visiting Canada, should dress up as the Trailer Park Boys.
I pick Ricky, because I can't do a credible version of Bubbles. I found a YouTube of Bubbles with Rush, performing "Closer to the Heart."
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I pick Ricky, because I can't do a credible version of Bubbles. I found a YouTube of Bubbles with Rush, performing "Closer to the Heart."
Look for Bubbles with Jackson Browne singing "Kitties are so nice" and "Liquor and whores"
(We really went off topic...so sorry)
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At least they won't have a gay robot.
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It's Netflix so it won't be happening at my house, even by accident. :shrug:
I'm really starting to get bugged with Netflix, they are so getting blocked from content that a large percentage of their new content on watch instantly is either in house content or freakin Bollywood movies.
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So? Who cares as long as it is good.
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Danger Danger Will Robinson was B-9. Robbie was Forbidden Planet.
The Classics
B-9
(http://i66.tinypic.com/acu4oi.jpg)
Robby
(http://i65.tinypic.com/a3i45c.jpg)
Lost In Space 1998
(http://i68.tinypic.com/doq3pw.jpg)
Tobor
(http://i68.tinypic.com/166kqi1.jpg)
Johnny Sokko Giant Robot :tongue2:
(http://i66.tinypic.com/dwz3ow.jpg)
Maria and Gort
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Gort looks like the robot on the Queen album that gave me nightmares.
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I have Netflix. The only thing I'm looking forward to in March is the new season of Trailer Park Boys.
The new season might suck. Mr Lahey is dead.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/bfc0cffea726f1eb01a3417f16cdb552/tenor.gif?itemid=10018050)
(https://deadrabbit.barstoolsports.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/18/lahey-liquor.gif)
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So? Who cares as long as it is good.
I think the discussion centers around the fact that it 's almost impossible to be "good" when the producers seem to be more concerned with having a diverse cast than actually writing good plots for them, and believable character development.
Then there's the issue of attempting to reboot a series that already has a great deal of prior character development. That's always problematic.
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Gort looks like the robot on the Queen album that gave me nightmares.
I believe this was taken from the cover of Isaac Asimov's Astounding (May have been one of the I Robot covers).
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jcU3avQjWyc/Td2ZVAy30bI/AAAAAAAABi4/XWDtEM5r-kw/s1600/Queen+-+News+of+the+World.JPG)
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I believe this was taken from the cover of Isaac Asimov's Astounding (May have been one of the I Robot covers).
I Robot.
(http://www.inthestudio.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ALAN-PARSONS-PROJECT-maxresdefault-e1482187379603.jpg)
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I Robot.
(http://www.inthestudio.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ALAN-PARSONS-PROJECT-maxresdefault-e1482187379603.jpg)
:nometalk:
Not the Alan Parsons album, dipstick! (A great album! Looooved it!! Had it in vinyl, 8-track and cassette. And got it on iTunes.)
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So? Who cares as long as it is good.
I agree..
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Not the Alan Parsons album, dipstick! (A great album! Looooved it!! Had it in vinyl, 8-track and cassette. And got it on iTunes.)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/hWgAAOSw3q5agJ5R/s-l1600.jpg)
What's an 8-Trac Grampa LOL !
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Not the Alan Parsons album, dipstick! (A great album! Looooved it!! Had it in vinyl, 8-track and cassette. And got it on iTunes.)
That and "Pyramid".
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Another reboot? As if we don't have enough rehashed ideas already...
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I think the discussion centers around the fact that it 's almost impossible to be "good" when the producers seem to be more concerned with having a diverse cast than actually writing good plots for them, and believable character development.
Then there's the issue of attempting to reboot a series that already has a great deal of prior character development. That's always problematic.
I think it is perfectly fair in this context to point to Star Trek TOS and the push for diverse characters to show that doesn't actually preclude a good show- especially consider that for their time. On the contrary, I believe because the show was not a box of saltine crackers (and not just based on race but not having all the characters be cookie cutter replicas of each other in many ways), is why it had staying power.
As for prior character development, we are so far past the original series and reboot movies, the only ones who will care about that will be the extremely obsessed sci fi nerds who would bitch about anything anyway. If done well, this will have a new audience and a new fanbase. Think about the new 'grittier' Superman and Batman that diverged from the look/feel/character development of their counterparts.
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Not the Alan Parsons album, dipstick! (A great album! Looooved it!! Had it in vinyl, 8-track and cassette. And got it on iTunes.)
Dipstick?! Hah, I haven't heard that word since Dukes of Hazzard was on.
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I think it is perfectly fair in this context to point to Star Trek TOS and the push for diverse characters to show that doesn't actually preclude a good show- especially consider that for their time. On the contrary, I believe because the show was not a box of saltine crackers (and not just based on race but not having all the characters be cookie cutter replicas of each other in many ways), is why it had staying power.
As for prior character development, we are so far past the original series and reboot movies, the only ones who will care about that will be the extremely obsessed sci fi nerds who would bitch about anything anyway. If done well, this will have a new audience and a new fanbase. Think about the new 'grittier' Superman and Batman that diverged from the look/feel/character development of their counterparts.
Diversity was baked in the Star Trek TOS cake. I leave it to Gene Roddenberry to explain:
“Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms. […] If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind, here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there.â€
What they're doing in this Lost in Space movie is another matter.
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What they're doing in this Lost in Space movie is another matter.
Pandering to the lowest common denominator.
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The producer, Irwin Allen, had total contempt for his viewers - tv or movies. He thought we were a bunch of idiots.
If you look at some of the dreck people have lapped up since then, he was right.
But formulaic diversity is crap. What, no Orientals?
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If you look at some of the dreck people have lapped up since then, he was right.
But formulaic diversity is crap. What, no Orientals?
I see only round eyes.
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And I'm sure it will be even more annoying than the original......
I didn't care how stupid the original was, I had a huge boyhood crush on Marta Kristen (Judy).
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I was never a huge fan of the original LIS, and I don't get much worked up about non-whites assuming roles that were first done by white actors.
What I don't like is the modern Hollyweird habit of insisting on having non white, female, or weird sex people assuming roles to fill out the characters. I doubt that there's one tv show or movie that does not follow a p.c. agenda.
It's like they have to have at least one female in charge ordering around the males. Even on cop or military shows like Seal Team Six (?), the assault crew is ordered around by a female.
P.C. will destroy this country.
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The most excruciating thing about the original series was Dr. Smith. He was openly hostile to the family, he sabotaged deliberately or accidentally every positive circumstance that the crew happened upon, and he had a very unnatural attraction to the little boy.
Even with all that, the family kept him aboard with them, even though they had dozens of chances to leave him somewhere and then to live a normal life.
Obviously this is not normal human behavior and was part of the script. Even so, it was difficult to watch. Leave him dammit! Just GO! But they never would. They always had to "save" Dr. Smith without ever explaining why they had to save him. He contributes nothing, and works against the good of the mission. Leave him dammit! Stop being so stupid and naive!
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The most excruciating thing about the original series was Dr. Smith. He was openly hostile to the family, he sabotaged deliberately or accidentally every positive circumstance that the crew happened upon, and he had a very unnatural attraction to the little boy.
Even with all that, the family kept him aboard with them, even though they had dozens of chances to leave him somewhere and then to live a normal life.
Obviously this is not normal human behavior and was part of the script. Even so, it was difficult to watch. Leave him dammit! Just GO! But they never would. They always had to "save" Dr. Smith without ever explaining why they had to save him. He contributes nothing, and works against the good of the mission. Leave him dammit! Stop being so stupid and naive!
From what I've read about the original LIS it became apparent early on to the network bosses and the show's creators that Dr. Smith, played by Jonathan Harris, was the most popular character. It seems a great many of the show's fans liked Dr. Smith (and the robot) more than they liked the other characters.
So they built most of the future episodes around Dr. Smith and the robot.
That didn't sit well with Guy Williams and June Lockhart, but that's the way things rolled after the first season. It also seems Harris and Lockhart didn't get along very well with Harris making snide comments about Lockhart's acting abilities off camera.
And Harris ended up writing and I believe directing a number of episodes.
Incidentally, Harris, who played the role of Dr. Smith in a very campy, queenish way, was actually in real life happily married to his wife for many years and they had at least one child.
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I think I read somewhere that Irwin Allen was so ticked off at Williams and Lockhart (maybe after the infamous Carrot episode) he wrote them out of several episodes. Since they were getting paid either way they didn't care.
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I think I read somewhere that Irwin Allen was so ticked off at Williams and Lockhart (maybe after the infamous Carrot episode) he wrote them out of several episodes. Since they were getting paid either way they didn't care.
I had to look that one up. Hilarious.
http://irwinallen.wikia.com/wiki/The_Great_Vegetable_Rebellion_(LiS_episode) (http://irwinallen.wikia.com/wiki/The_Great_Vegetable_Rebellion_(LiS_episode))
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I had to look that one up. Hilarious.
http://irwinallen.wikia.com/wiki/The_Great_Vegetable_Rebellion_(LiS_episode) (http://irwinallen.wikia.com/wiki/The_Great_Vegetable_Rebellion_(LiS_episode))
Alright! The old memory is still firing at or above 50%!
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I had to look that one up. Hilarious.
http://irwinallen.wikia.com/wiki/The_Great_Vegetable_Rebellion_(LiS_episode) (http://irwinallen.wikia.com/wiki/The_Great_Vegetable_Rebellion_(LiS_episode))
To be expected actually. Most Sci-Fi shows get lost over time. Season 5 of Babylon 5 was totally useless. I couldn't even watch it because the show was basically over, and they were painfully stringing it along with another season. This what happens when you start a series with a definite goal. Once the goal is reached, the show is more or less over.
The same thing happened with the Andromeda series. The show ended in season 4 with the establishment of the Commonwealth and the destruction of the Magog world ship. Again, the producers went on to make a painful season 5 which added nothing to the storyline except the final episodes where they destroy the abyss which could have easily been incorporated in season 4. With Andromeda you can clearly see a descent into silliness starting about the middle of season 4 as the writers were obviously running out of ideas as to what to do with the show. Even the soundtrack becomes more silly like the A-Team would have than most Sci-Fi shows would have. Some of the episodes are more slapstick and smart quips than they are about anything else.
There is a main plot line which is eventually resolved. Once it is resolved the writers reach out into crazyland thinking that the more absurd and frankly 'weird' the show is, the more sci-fi-ness it has. You can see this effect even on Star Trek TNG when it got goofy and weird. The sun battling the moon, peptide cake, and the crew experiencing reverse evolution etc., or TNG would always default to a Holodeck episode or a Lwaxana Troi episode whenever they got bored or ran out of ideas.
It has meaning man, like dude, you just didn't understand the subtle nature of it, man. Nonsense. Those episodes are just garbage filler episodes, nothing more than that. They do nothing to advance the story.
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To be expected actually. Most Sci-Fi shows get lost over time. Season 5 of Babylon 5 was totally useless. I couldn't even watch it because the show was basically over, and they were painfully stringing it along with another season. This what happens when you start a series with a definite goal. Once the goal is reached, the show is more or less over.
The same thing happened with the Andromeda series. The show ended in season 4 with the establishment of the Commonwealth and the destruction of the Magog world ship. Again, the producers went on to make a painful season 5 which added nothing to the storyline except the final episodes where they destroy the abyss which could have easily been incorporated in season 4. With Andromeda you can clearly see a descent into silliness starting about the middle of season 4 as the writers were obviously running out of ideas as to what to do with the show. Even the soundtrack becomes more silly like the A-Team would have than most Sci-Fi shows would have. Some of the episodes are more slapstick and smart quips than they are about anything else.
There is a main plot line which is eventually resolved. Once it is resolved the writers reach out into crazyland thinking that the more absurd and frankly 'weird' the show is, the more sci-fi-ness it has. You can see this effect even on Star Trek TNG when it got goofy and weird. The sun battling the moon, peptide cake, and the crew experiencing reverse evolution etc., or TNG would always default to a Holodeck episode or a Lwaxana Troi episode whenever they got bored or ran out of ideas.
It has meaning man, like dude, you just didn't understand the subtle nature of it, man. Nonsense. Those episodes are just garbage filler episodes, nothing more than that. They do nothing to advance the story.
I did NOT enjoy "The Great Vegetable Rebellion" (Season 3, Episode 23). [Laughter.] STUFFED CARROTS! Peter Packer, who was one of our best writers, came to my dressing room with his hands behind his back. I said, "Whatcha got there?" He said, "You're not going to like it. I'm so ashamed." I said, "What is it!?!" And out came The Great Vegetable Rebellion. He said, "It's dreadful. I'm thoughtless. I don't have another thought in my head!" That happens to writers. So, he said, "There it is! Do what you can."
-Jonathan Harris
https://www.dvdtalk.com/cineschlock/lostinspace/interview.html (https://www.dvdtalk.com/cineschlock/lostinspace/interview.html)
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I think I read somewhere that Irwin Allen was so ticked off at Williams and Lockhart (maybe after the infamous Carrot episode) he wrote them out of several episodes. Since they were getting paid either way they didn't care.
According to the Wiki article, only three more shows were produced after that one, so basically it was a wrap for Williams and Lockhart. The show had gone into mega-stoopit mode, and it was obvious Allen was just phoning that chit in.
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According to the Wiki article, only three more shows were produced after that one, so basically it was a wrap for Williams and Lockhart. The show had gone into mega-stoopit mode, and it was obvious Allen was just phoning that chit in.
The cast fully expected the show to return for a 4th season. They had finished a season wrap party and were looking forward to a short vacation. I can't find the reason for cancellation. But I read somewhere Irwin scuttled it with the network so he could get another of his shows on the air. Who knows.
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I did NOT enjoy "The Great Vegetable Rebellion" (Season 3, Episode 23). [Laughter.] STUFFED CARROTS! Peter Packer, who was one of our best writers, came to my dressing room with his hands behind his back. I said, "Whatcha got there?" He said, "You're not going to like it. I'm so ashamed." I said, "What is it!?!" And out came The Great Vegetable Rebellion. He said, "It's dreadful. I'm thoughtless. I don't have another thought in my head!" That happens to writers. So, he said, "There it is! Do what you can."
-Jonathan Harris
https://www.dvdtalk.com/cineschlock/lostinspace/interview.html (https://www.dvdtalk.com/cineschlock/lostinspace/interview.html)
I've read a few accounts of the "behind the scenes" stuff of the show. Angela Cartwright and Billy Mumy wrote a book about it called "Lost (and found) in Space." They said they liked Jonathon Harris, he was protective of the kids on the show. It was all they could do to not crack up at his silly alliterations when yelling at the Robot. Guy Williams hated Harris, because Harris stole the spotlight with his antics. I guess Harris never got a real contract to do the show, which is why he was always billed as "Special Guest star."
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The cast fully expected the show to return for a 4th season. They had finished a season wrap party and were looking forward to a short vacation. I can't find the reason for cancellation. But I read somewhere Irwin scuttled it with the network so he could get another of his shows on the air. Who knows.
I was a kid at the time, and I figured it was too stupid to live. I guess the carrot thing was the last straw for a lot of people. It's bad when the head writer is apologizing to the special guest star for the script.
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I've read a few accounts of the "behind the scenes" stuff of the show. Angela Cartwright and Billy Mumy wrote a book about it called "Lost (and found) in Space." They said they liked Jonathon Harris, he was protective of the kids on the show. It was all they could do to not crack up at his silly alliterations when yelling at the Robot. Guy Williams hated Harris, because Harris stole the spotlight with his antics. I guess Harris never got a real contract to do the show, which is why he was always billed as "Special Guest star."
I think that "Special guest Star" billing was written into his contract.
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I think that "Special guest Star" billing was written into his contract.
Pretty sure it was a pay thing. Probably why Williams hated Harris.
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Pretty sure it was a pay thing. Probably why Williams hated Harris.
Could be:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FakeGuestStar (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FakeGuestStar)
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I found the answer.
https://www.dvdtalk.com/cineschlock/lostinspace/interview.html (https://www.dvdtalk.com/cineschlock/lostinspace/interview.html)
Scroll down to "That Terrible Man". and then A 'Special Guest Star' is born.
@Cyber Liberty
@thackney
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To be expected actually. Most Sci-Fi shows get lost over time. Season 5 of Babylon 5 was totally useless. I couldn't even watch it because the show was basically over, and they were painfully stringing it along with another season. This what happens when you start a series with a definite goal. Once the goal is reached, the show is more or less over.
The same thing happened with the Andromeda series. The show ended in season 4 with the establishment of the Commonwealth and the destruction of the Magog world ship. Again, the producers went on to make a painful season 5 which added nothing to the storyline except the final episodes where they destroy the abyss which could have easily been incorporated in season 4. With Andromeda you can clearly see a descent into silliness starting about the middle of season 4 as the writers were obviously running out of ideas as to what to do with the show. Even the soundtrack becomes more silly like the A-Team would have than most Sci-Fi shows would have. Some of the episodes are more slapstick and smart quips than they are about anything else.
There is a main plot line which is eventually resolved. Once it is resolved the writers reach out into crazyland thinking that the more absurd and frankly 'weird' the show is, the more sci-fi-ness it has. You can see this effect even on Star Trek TNG when it got goofy and weird. The sun battling the moon, peptide cake, and the crew experiencing reverse evolution etc., or TNG would always default to a Holodeck episode or a Lwaxana Troi episode whenever they got bored or ran out of ideas.
It has meaning man, like dude, you just didn't understand the subtle nature of it, man. Nonsense. Those episodes are just garbage filler episodes, nothing more than that. They do nothing to advance the story.
Think of those days when many shows had 39 new episodes every season. Think of the writers desperately trying to come up with new ideas.
It seems many of the old westerns had similar plot devices:
the hero is going to be hanged by mistake and his family or friends have to save him,
or the hero has to stop an innocent person from being hanged.
the hero did somebody wrong during the Civil War or somewhere and somebody is seeking vengeance
the hero falls in love but the love interest contracts a terrible disease and dies ....or is killed defending the hero from the vengeance-seeking stranger.
the bank was or is being robbed and the hero has to stop the robbery or catch the robbers
the fast gun is in town and the hero must face down the fast gun.
The crooked banker or big man in town who controls everything and the hero takes him down and frees the townpeople.
All those.
If they didn't want to repeat those plot devices they could always go to the quicksand episodes. Yes, it seemed quicksand was everywhere in the west and people were constantly falling into the stuff and just barely getting out.
The Evil Twin or hero lookalike episodes were also fairly common.
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The most excruciating thing about the original series was Dr. Smith. He was openly hostile to the family, he sabotaged deliberately or accidentally every positive circumstance that the crew happened upon, and he had a very unnatural attraction to the little boy.
Even with all that, the family kept him aboard with them, even though they had dozens of chances to leave him somewhere and then to live a normal life.
Obviously this is not normal human behavior and was part of the script. Even so, it was difficult to watch. Leave him dammit! Just GO! But they never would. They always had to "save" Dr. Smith without ever explaining why they had to save him. He contributes nothing, and works against the good of the mission. Leave him dammit! Stop being so stupid and naive!
I completely agree with this, @240B .
It was agonizing for me to watch this show because of the sinister behavior of Smith and the idiocy of everyone else.
I started watching it because Guy Williams was cute as Zorro 888heartkitty, and I thought the show would be fun. It was at first, but then just made me mad, so I stopped watching altogether.
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I found the answer.
https://www.dvdtalk.com/cineschlock/lostinspace/interview.html (https://www.dvdtalk.com/cineschlock/lostinspace/interview.html)
Scroll down to "That Terrible Man". and then A 'Special Guest Star' is born.
@Cyber Liberty
@thackney
What a crack-up. I suddenly like Jonathon Harris a lot more, GRHS.
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I completely agree with this, @240B .
It was agonizing for me to watch this show because of the sinister behavior of Smith and the idiocy of everyone else.
I started watching it because Guy Williams was cute as Zorro 888heartkitty, and I thought the show would be fun. It was at first, but then just made me mad, so I stopped watching altogether.
Harris talked about the Dr. Smith character in the link Wingnut posted. Irwin Allen wanted the truly nasty character at first (at first he was an agent of a hostile government), but Harris didn't like doing that kind of villain, so he started working in some comedic aspects. Allen came in one day and Harris thought he was going to get reamed for it, but Allen liked it, and gave him free reign with the character.
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I completely agree with this, @240B .
It was agonizing for me to watch this show because of the sinister behavior of Smith and the idiocy of everyone else.
I started watching it because Guy Williams was cute as Zorro 888heartkitty , and I thought the show would be fun. It was at first, but then just made me mad, so I stopped watching altogether.
@musiclady
Me too. Exactly as you said it. It just made me mad to watch Dr. Smith, who is the traitor who sabotaged the ship by the way, and is responsible for the situation that they are all in, to get away with treachery after treachery. And the family acts like they are totally oblivious.
I know it is only a stupid sitcom, but that is not my kind of entertainment. All I could think is, How can people be that stupid and naive? There is no question that he, Dr. Smith, would have dumped them anywhere with no food or water and would have stolen the ship at the first opportunity if he could.
How his character could have become 'popular', as they say, is a mystery to me. I kept hoping he would get into some accident or get left behind somehow. He was not popular with me.
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Think of those days when many shows had 39 new episodes every season. Think of the writers desperately trying to come up with new ideas.
It seems many of the old westerns had similar plot devices:
the hero is going to be hanged by mistake and his family or friends have to save him,
or the hero has to stop an innocent person from being hanged.
the hero did somebody wrong during the Civil War or somewhere and somebody is seeking vengeance
the hero falls in love but the love interest contracts a terrible disease and dies ....or is killed defending the hero from the vengeance-seeking stranger.
the bank was or is being robbed and the hero has to stop the robbery or catch the robbers
the fast gun is in town and the hero must face down the fast gun.
The crooked banker or big man in town who controls everything and the hero takes him down and frees the townpeople.
All those.
If they didn't want to repeat those plot devices they could always go to the quicksand episodes. Yes, it seemed quicksand was over the west and people were constantly falling into the stuff and just barely getting out.
The Evil Twin or hero lookalike episodes were also fairly common.
Gunsmoke had 635 episodes.
When you think about it, it is amazing they didn't have a cowboys versus aliens episode.
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Think of those days when many shows had 39 new episodes every season. Think of the writers desperately trying to come up with new ideas.
It seems many of the old westerns had similar plot devices:
the hero is going to be hanged by mistake and his family or friends have to save him,
or the hero has to stop an innocent person from being hanged.
the hero did somebody wrong during the Civil War or somewhere and somebody is seeking vengeance
the hero falls in love but the love interest contracts a terrible disease and dies ....or is killed defending the hero from the vengeance-seeking stranger.
the bank was or is being robbed and the hero has to stop the robbery or catch the robbers
the fast gun is in town and the hero must face down the fast gun.
The crooked banker or big man in town who controls everything and the hero takes him down and frees the townpeople.
All those.
If they didn't want to repeat those plot devices they could always go to the quicksand episodes. Yes, it seemed quicksand was over the west and people were constantly falling into the stuff and just barely getting out.
The Evil Twin or hero lookalike episodes were also fairly common.
You wouldn't believe how much that applies to Sci-Fi series'. So many times when I was watching Andromeda or any of them I thought, I've seen this before. It was an episode of TNG or SG1 or Outer Limits or whatever.
So many of the episodes in all the various Space/Science Themed shows are remakes of each other. Sometimes I even recognize the set they are using or reusing you might say. If you take all the Sci-Fi series on TV including The Outer Limits, there is at least a 10% overlap where they are all doing the same show. The characters are different, the set may be staged differently, but the plot and the theme of the show itself is identical.
I have actually become confused by this. I am watching a show which I know I have never seen before, and yet I know I have seen it before somewhere. And I had seen it before. It was just under a different name and with different characters.
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Well, it looks like the fears of it being SJW just because they put in some characters who weren't mayonnaise complexion we're unfounded.
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Well, it looks like the fears of it being SJW just because they put in some characters who weren't mayonnaise complexion we're unfounded.
You're a connoisseur of the Sci-Fi/Fantasy genre, so you probably saw it. What did you think? Was it better than the last movie (Which I really hated)? Personally, I don't really have a problem with the casting, I'm more interested in how the characters were developed.
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You're a connoisseur of the Sci-Fi/Fantasy genre, so you probably saw it. What did you think? Was it better than the last movie (Which I really hated)? Personally, I don't really have a problem with the casting, I'm more interested in how the characters were developed.
It was actually great. Parker Posey as doctor Smith was one of the best casting choices. Great writing and character development. It puts the old movie and series to shame.
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It was actually great. Parker Posey as doctor Smith was one of the best casting choices. Great writing and character development. It puts the old movie and series to shame.
Thanks! I knew I'd get the skinny from you!
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I liked him in Babylon 5.
I also liked him in Deep Space Nine
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I started watching it. Put your preconceptions aside, it’s an excellent iteration. This ain’t your grandfathers Lost In Space.
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Well, it looks like the fears of it being SJW just because they put in some characters who weren't mayonnaise complexion we're unfounded.
I watched the 1st three episodes last night to get a feel for it. 1st... let me say I like the robot. He may be the best actor in the series so far. I hope he starts talking more as the series goes on cus "Danger Will Robinson" can only be said for so long.
B. Is this show written by a women? Cus they sure cut the testicles off of John Robinson and his wife has them in a mason jar and hidden in the gun locker. BTW, there is a Lot of room in there cuz she won't allow guns on the Jupiter 2. What a surprise. Hey at least they have knifes to kill those fuel sucking eels.
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I watched the 1st three episodes last night to get a feel for it. 1st... let me say I like the robot. He may be the best actor in the series so far. I hope he starts talking more as the series goes on cus "Danger Will Robinson" can only be said for so long.
B. Is this show written by a women? Cus they sure cut the testicles off of John Robinson and his wife has them in a mason jar and hidden in the gun locker. BTW, there is a Lot of room in there cuz she won't allow guns on the Jupiter 2. What a surprise. Hey at least they have knifes to kill those fuel sucking eels.
Let me tell ya something, buddy. When I am searching for a new novel to read, and I tend to gravitate to sci-fi, fantasy or horror, I flat out refuse to read novels with a chick listed as the author, for the reasons you listed above 9 times out of 10 in previous experience.
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Let me tell ya something, buddy. When I am searching for a new novel to read, and I tend to gravitate to sci-fi, fantasy or horror, I flat out refuse to read novels with a chick listed as the author, for the reasons you listed above 9 times out of 10 in previous experience.
Not just that, but I don't like to wallow through five pages of someone analyzing their feelings in the middle of a battle. Phooey!
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Not just that, but I don't like to wallow through five pages of someone analyzing their feelings in the middle of a battle. Phooey!
The professor told his class one day: "Today we will experiment with a new form called the tandem story. The process is simple. Each person will pair off with the person sitting to his or her immediate right. As homework tonight, one of you will write the first paragraph of a short story. You will e-mail your partner that paragraph and send another copy to me. The partner will read the first paragraph and then add another paragraph to the story and send it back, also sending another copy to me. The first person will then add a third paragraph, and so on back-and-forth.
Remember to re-read what has been written each time in order to keep the story coherent. There is to be absolutely NO talking outside of the e-mails and anything you wish to say must be written in the e-mail. The story is over when both agree a conclusion has been reached."
The following was actually turned in by two of his English students:
Rebecca and Gary.
THE STORY:
(first paragraph by Rebecca)
At first, Laurie couldn't decide which kind of tea she wanted. The chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home, now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times, that he liked chamomile.
But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So chamomile was out of the question.
(second paragraph by Gary)
Meanwhile, Advance Sergeant Carl Harris, leader of the attack squadron now in orbit over Skylon 4, had more important things to think about than the neuroses of an air-headed asthmatic bimbo named Laurie with whom he had spent one sweaty night over a year ago. "A.S. Harris to Geostation 17," he said into his transgalactic communicator. " Polar orbit established. No sign of resistance so far..." But before he could sign off a bluish particle beam flashed out of nowhere and blasted a hole through his ship's cargo bay. The jolt from the direct hit sent him flying out of his seat and across the ####pit.
(Rebecca)
He bumped his head and died almost immediately, but not before he felt one last pang of regret for psychically brutalizing the one woman who had ever had feelings for him. Soon afterwards, Earth stopped its pointless hostilities towards the peaceful farmers of Skylon 4. "Congress Passes Law Permanently Abolishing War and Space Travel," Laurie read in her newspaper one morning. The news simultaneously excited her and bored her. She stared out the window, dreaming of her youth, when the days had passed unhurriedly and carefree, with no newspaper to read, no television to distract her from her sense of innocent wonder at all the beautiful things around her. "Why must one lose one's innocence to become a woman?" she pondered wistfully.
(Gary)
Little did she know, but she had less than 10 seconds to live. Thousands of miles above the city, the Anu'udrian mothership launched the first of its lithium fusion missiles. The dimwitted wimpy peaceniks who pushed the Unilateral Aerospace disarmament Treaty through the congress had left Earth a defenseless target for the hostile alien empires who were determined to destroy the human race. Within two hours after the passage of the treaty the Anu'udrian ships were on course for Earth, carrying enough firepower to pulverize the entire planet.
With no one to stop them, they swiftly initiated their diabolical plan. The lithium fusion missile entered the atmosphere unimpeded. The President, in his top-secret mobile submarine headquarters on the ocean floor off the coast of Guam, felt the inconceivably massive explosion, which vaporized poor, stupid Laurie.
(Rebecca)
This is absurd. I refuse to continue this mockery of literature. My writing partner is a violent, chauvinistic semi-literate adolescent.
(Gary)
Yeah? Well, my writing partner is a self-centered tedious neurotic whose attempts at writing are the literary equivalent of Valium. " Oh, shall I have
chamomile tea? Or shall I have some other sort of F--KING TEA??? Oh no, what am I to do? I'm such an air headed bimbo who reads too many Danielle Steele novels!"
(Rebecca)
Arsehole.
(Gary)
B*tch.
(Rebecca)
F**K YOU - YOU NEANDERTHAL!!
(Gary)
In your dreams, Ho. Go drink some tea.
(TEACHER)
A+ - I really liked this one.
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The professor told his class one day: "Today we will experiment with a new form called the tandem story. The process is simple. Each person will pair off with the person sitting to his or her immediate right. As homework tonight, one of you will write the first paragraph of a short story. You will e-mail your partner that paragraph and send another copy to me. The partner will read the first paragraph and then add another paragraph to the story and send it back, also sending another copy to me. The first person will then add a third paragraph, and so on back-and-forth.
Remember to re-read what has been written each time in order to keep the story coherent. There is to be absolutely NO talking outside of the e-mails and anything you wish to say must be written in the e-mail. The story is over when both agree a conclusion has been reached."
The following was actually turned in by two of his English students:
Rebecca and Gary.
THE STORY:
(first paragraph by Rebecca)
At first, Laurie couldn't decide which kind of tea she wanted. The chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home, now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times, that he liked chamomile.
But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So chamomile was out of the question.
(second paragraph by Gary)
Meanwhile, Advance Sergeant Carl Harris, leader of the attack squadron now in orbit over Skylon 4, had more important things to think about than the neuroses of an air-headed asthmatic bimbo named Laurie with whom he had spent one sweaty night over a year ago. "A.S. Harris to Geostation 17," he said into his transgalactic communicator. " Polar orbit established. No sign of resistance so far..." But before he could sign off a bluish particle beam flashed out of nowhere and blasted a hole through his ship's cargo bay. The jolt from the direct hit sent him flying out of his seat and across the ####pit.
(Rebecca)
He bumped his head and died almost immediately, but not before he felt one last pang of regret for psychically brutalizing the one woman who had ever had feelings for him. Soon afterwards, Earth stopped its pointless hostilities towards the peaceful farmers of Skylon 4. "Congress Passes Law Permanently Abolishing War and Space Travel," Laurie read in her newspaper one morning. The news simultaneously excited her and bored her. She stared out the window, dreaming of her youth, when the days had passed unhurriedly and carefree, with no newspaper to read, no television to distract her from her sense of innocent wonder at all the beautiful things around her. "Why must one lose one's innocence to become a woman?" she pondered wistfully.
(Gary)
Little did she know, but she had less than 10 seconds to live. Thousands of miles above the city, the Anu'udrian mothership launched the first of its lithium fusion missiles. The dimwitted wimpy peaceniks who pushed the Unilateral Aerospace disarmament Treaty through the congress had left Earth a defenseless target for the hostile alien empires who were determined to destroy the human race. Within two hours after the passage of the treaty the Anu'udrian ships were on course for Earth, carrying enough firepower to pulverize the entire planet.
With no one to stop them, they swiftly initiated their diabolical plan. The lithium fusion missile entered the atmosphere unimpeded. The President, in his top-secret mobile submarine headquarters on the ocean floor off the coast of Guam, felt the inconceivably massive explosion, which vaporized poor, stupid Laurie.
(Rebecca)
This is absurd. I refuse to continue this mockery of literature. My writing partner is a violent, chauvinistic semi-literate adolescent.
(Gary)
Yeah? Well, my writing partner is a self-centered tedious neurotic whose attempts at writing are the literary equivalent of Valium. " Oh, shall I have
chamomile tea? Or shall I have some other sort of F--KING TEA??? Oh no, what am I to do? I'm such an air headed bimbo who reads too many Danielle Steele novels!"
(Rebecca)
Arsehole.
(Gary)
B*tch.
(Rebecca)
F**K YOU - YOU NEANDERTHAL!!
(Gary)
In your dreams, Ho. Go drink some tea.
(TEACHER)
A+ - I really liked this one.
One thing I've noticed in the past twenty years concerning tv shows/movies with crime as a subject is the transformation from simply the cops trying to find out who the killer is into many times some sort of psychologically-based show revealing all sorts of problems with women and minorites being oppressed with solving the crime in many cases being a secondary issue. Tackling some sort of social justice problem seems to be the obsession of many modern writers, even in crime shows.
I've been a fan of British mysteries and cop shows for many years, but I've noticed the trend towards incorporating SJ themes into many episodes has left me quite cynical.
The wife and I like to watch the British crime series "Endeavor" based on the "Inspector Morse" series with John Thaw. The "Endeavor" series shows him as a young detective.
In one the first episodes, it showed the white Morse having a black girl friend. I wondered how common was that in 1950s Britain? Then I discovered that the writer/creator of the new series was a female intent on having the hero have a minority girl friend. Her quote was that she felt "it was time" to show something like that. For SJ reasons of course.
Beware all programs that have single females, usually of the liberal persuasion, writing the episodes. They will bore you to death with their SJ themes and endless pyschological episodes. And they will, as in the case of a series about two female police officers (Scott and Bailey), intentionally demonize all the males as being sexist brutes or too stupid to walk and chew gum. Or both.
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Pretty much why I haven't watched any "new" shows in about 20 years.
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Pretty much why I haven't watched any "new" shows in about 20 years.
The leftie politically correct bias in all (or most) of the "new" shows has turned off about half of the nation. I'm wondering how they can afford to keep putting out these "shows" with the dismal viewership and box office results they must be experiencing. I know I have personally turned off and tuned out of any shows by the usual suspect loudmouth Hollyweird lefties that have spouted off against anyone on the right. Actors that I previously liked and respected have been added to that list over the past two decades.....
and the list is still (ever) growing.
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One thing I've noticed in the past twenty years concerning tv shows/movies with crime as a subject is the transformation from simply the cops trying to find out who the killer is into many times some sort of psychologically-based show revealing all sorts of problems with women and minorites being oppressed with solving the crime in many cases being a secondary issue. Tackling some sort of social justice problem seems to be the obsession of many modern writers, even in crime shows.
I've been a fan of British mysteries and cop shows for many years, but I've noticed the trend towards incorporating SJ themes into many episodes has left me quite cynical.
The wife and I like to watch the British crime series "Endeavor" based on the "Inspector Morse" series with John Thaw. The "Endeavor" series shows him as a young detective.
In one the first episodes, it showed the white Morse having a black girl friend. I wondered how common was that in 1950s Britain? Then I discovered that the writer/creator of the new series was a female intent on having the hero have a minority girl friend. Her quote was that she felt "it was time" to show something like that. For SJ reasons of course.
Beware all programs that have single females, usually of the liberal persuasion, writing the episodes. They will bore you to death with their SJ themes and endless pyschological episodes. And they will, as in the case of a series about two female police officers (Scott and Bailey), intentionally demonize all the males as being sexist brutes or too stupid to walk and chew gum. Or both.
I noticed a good 20 years ago that all I needed to do to see what the next big putsch from the left over social issues would be is to check out where the 'edgy' comedians were going, and pretty soon the characters would start showing up in sitcoms and 'acclaimed' drama. Now the stuff is so mainstreamed guys on vet shows are bringing the cat their 'husband' bought them, and lesbian characters are as common as the stuff in the litterbox. Hannibal* seems to have been getting a lot of play lately, so I reckon that's next (*Lecter, not the Carthaginian).
As the matters come up, the show goes down and is no longer watched. Half the nooz is populated with Degenerates and Pooper, and others who haven't been outed, so the left has taken the stage and is not just 'promoting' their stuff, but excluding other thought. The other wing of the programming comes via the public schools which are overrun with that leftist groupthink, too, and which find ways to eliminate the renegades who don't buy that stuff.
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The leftie politically correct bias in all (or most) of the "new" shows has turned off about half of the nation. I'm wondering how they can afford to keep putting out these "shows" with the dismal viewership and box office results they must be experiencing. I know I have personally turned off and tuned out of any shows by the usual suspect loudmouth Hollyweird lefties that have spouted off against anyone on the right. Actors that I previously liked and respected have been added to that list over the past two decades.....
and the list is still (ever) growing.
If you haven't already guessed the reason the Jupiter(s) (There are more than one this time) are bound for beautiful unspoiled Alpha Centaur is because the Earth is dying and facing man made climate change, wars, famine, and other various and sundry society-ending problems.
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If you haven't already guessed the reason the Jupiter(s) (There are more than one this time) are bound for beautiful unspoiled Alpha Centaur is because the Earth is dying and facing man made climate change, wars, famine, and other various and sundry society-ending problems.
All that "sustainability" is enough to wreck any planet.
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If you haven't already guessed the reason the Jupiter(s) (There are more than one this time) are bound for beautiful unspoiled Alpha Centaur is because the Earth is dying and facing man made climate change, wars, famine, and other various and sundry society-ending problems.
Actually it was triggered by a comet, the Christmas meteor as the newscast in the background of the second episode described. That is what set off the chain of events. I don't recall them mentioning 'man made climate change' once.
Although, later in the series, they hint there may be more to the meteor than initial revealed when they discuss how it was odd it didn't keep raining down material as what would be expected.
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I don't have Netflix so I am afraid I will remain in the dark about these plot developments.
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Actually it was triggered by a comet, the Christmas meteor as the newscast in the background of the second episode described. That is what set off the chain of events. I don't recall them mentioning 'man made climate change' once.
Although, later in the series, they hint there may be more to the meteor than initial revealed when they discuss how it was odd it didn't keep raining down material as what would be expected.
You are probably correct there. Climate change was accelerated due to the comet hit..
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I don't have Netflix so I am afraid I will remain in the dark about these plot developments.
So far my wife and I have not been very impressed by this series... Very predictable, not aimed at adults and lots of stupid...
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You are probably correct there. Climate change was accelerated due to the comet hit..
Asteroid/Comet impacting a planet tend to do that.