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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: the_doc on July 19, 2018, 05:41:15 pm
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The following link is an article that will shock a lot of people, but it may partially explain why Trump is receptive to improved relations with Putin:
http://www.events.orthodoxengland.org.uk/vladimir-putin-the-new-world-order-worships-satan/ (http://www.events.orthodoxengland.org.uk/vladimir-putin-the-new-world-order-worships-satan/)
Whether or not Putin and Trump are genuine Christians, they are both religious traditionalists in a serious war against the Global Deep State, AKA the New World Order.
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The following link is an article that will shock a lot of people, but it may partially explain why Trump is receptive to improved relations with Putin:
http://www.events.orthodoxengland.org.uk/vladimir-putin-the-new-world-order-worships-satan/ (http://www.events.orthodoxengland.org.uk/vladimir-putin-the-new-world-order-worships-satan/)
Whether or not Putin and Trump are genuine Christians, they are both religious traditionalists in a serious war against the Global Deep State, AKA the New World Order.
I find these type of article full of bulls**t. Putin is not a friend. Also not a defender of Christianity.
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I find these type of article full of bulls**t. Putin is not a friend. Also not a defender of Christianity.
As I said above, Whether or not Putin and Trump are genuine Christians, they are both religious traditionalists in a serious war against the Global Deep State, AKA the New World Order.
Putin and Trump just happen to be in a war against a common enemy. (Make of that what you will. Just don't ignore it, TBR friend.)
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The following link is an article that will shock a lot of people, but it may partially explain why Trump is receptive to improved relations with Putin:
http://www.events.orthodoxengland.org.uk/vladimir-putin-the-new-world-order-worships-satan/ (http://www.events.orthodoxengland.org.uk/vladimir-putin-the-new-world-order-worships-satan/)
Whether or not Putin and Trump are genuine Christians, they are both religious traditionalists in a serious war against the Global Deep State, AKA the New World Order.
I suspect Putin has had a change of heart years ago re Christ etc. He's been fiercely protective of Christians for some time now.
Time will tell. It is well and good he is against the NWO.
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I find these type of article full of bulls**t. Putin is not a friend. Also not a defender of Christianity.
Any factual bases, or citations, for your stated opinion?
Absent that, your posting style lacks depth, weight or persuasiveness.
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Any factual bases, or citations, for your stated opinion?
Absent that, your posting style lacks depth, weight or persuasiveness.
Can't really trust former heads of the KGB and helping various Islamic Countries like Iran..
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Can't really trust former heads of the KGB and helping various Islamic Countries like Iran..
And Merkel was in the FDJ, what's your point?
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@kevindavis
Can't really trust former heads of the KGB and helping various Islamic Countries like Iran..
Well, there is that. (I, for one, would never trust Putin very far. But heck, I don't even trust Trump to do the right thing in every instance.)
Aside to @dfwgator: I didn't know about Merkel's background beyond the rumors that she is a neo-Nazi of some sort. But I would say Merkel might be less trustworthy than Putin. (Merkel is obviously a toadie of the "NWO." At least Putin speaks out openly against the NWO.)
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Can't really trust former heads of the KGB and helping various Islamic Countries like Iran..
Yet when vital, Joseph Stalin was our ally. We had economic cooperation following WWII until the Cold War. For example we
helped them with oil field technology and equipment.
Today we share with Russia, risks with Radical Islam. If we operated together against it, we might both benefit greatly.
I believe Trump aims to de-escalate tensions with the Islamic world, if possible. It may be underway already, with Saudi Arabia. Iran is a major problem, so also an opportunity.
Finally Reagan negotiated with the USSR. And he coined phrases like "Peace through strength" and "Trust but Verify"
Trump subscribes to those strategies and tactics.
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Yet when vital, Joseph Stalin was our ally. We had economic cooperation following WWII until the Cold War. For example we
helped them with oil field technology and equipment.
Today we share with Russia, risks with Radical Islam. If we operated together against it, we might both benefit greatly.
I believe Trump aims to de-escalate tensions with the Islamic world, if possible. It may be underway already, with Saudi Arabia. Iran is a major problem, so also an opportunity.
Finally Reagan negotiated with the USSR. And he coined phrases like "Peace through strength" and "Trust but Verify"
Trump subscribes to those strategies and tactics.
Stalin was an ally with Hitler at one time
Vlad Putin is helping regimes like Iran and Syria. Both Islamic Countries. How can he be fighting Islamic terror when he is helping countries that is supporting Islamic Terror!
Explain that!
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Vlad's faith isn't the issue.
Russia today is more a Mafia style of Govt than it is Godless Communism.
Would the American Mafia have tried to get rid of the church? Of course not.
It took the Communists long enough to figure it out but Running the country was a lot easier without expecting everyone to become an atheist.
And with that old school Marxist/Leninist Communism morphed into Mafia ism.
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I don't know about this, but I know Trump and many other politicians including Bush have been seen making Satanic symbols.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSedVjoAJfQhuUJAOYI7tBx-smXg-DCJJxqSL1OIDqmHIn_ixe-)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRL6NXISd_7uYPLkHHtXARlRXwmn-mzBzu7LFHBvMduPADKDJWr)
(http://www.jesusisprecious.org/false_religion/satanism/el_diablo_bill_clinton.jpg)
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No religious freedom in Russia
https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/june/no-evangelizing-outside-of-church-russia-proposes.html (https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/june/no-evangelizing-outside-of-church-russia-proposes.html)
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This has all the checkmarks for a kook thread.
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Any factual bases, or citations, for your stated opinion?
Absent that, your posting style lacks depth, weight or persuasiveness.
@truth_seeker
He has his opponents executed.
How’s that?
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I suspect Putin has had a change of heart years ago re Christ etc. He's been fiercely protective of Christians for some time now.
Time will tell. It is well and good he is against the NWO.
@Quix
He hasn’t stopped killing people who cross him so I don’t know which Christ that might be.
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@Quix
He hasn’t stopped killing people who cross him so I don’t know which Christ that might be.
You may be right.
You may be wrong.
I don't know how to be certain one way or the other.
And, I do not know where on his Christian growth trek he happens to be at this time.
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I find these type of article full of bulls**t. Putin is not a friend. Also not a defender of Christianity.
Yeah, this isn't the way to defend or explain Trump's Russia policy.
Its enough that Putin has alot of nukes - its better if we have good relations with him.
Last night I heard Russia's economy is the size of Italy's, and that China's cyberwarfare apparatus makes Russia's look pathetically small by comparison. China is the real threat, we shouldn't allow them to get close to Russia.
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Yeah, this isn't the way to defend or explain Trump's Russia policy.
Its enough that Putin has alot of nukes - its better if we have good relations with him.
Last night I heard Russia's economy is the size of Italy's, and that China's cyberwarfare apparatus makes Russia's look pathetically small by comparison. China is the real threat, we shouldn't allow them to get close to Russia.
https://nypost.com/2018/07/20/trump-threatens-putting-tariffs-on-all-imports-from-china/
Do it.
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Yeah, this isn't the way to defend or explain Trump's Russia policy.
Its enough that Putin has alot of nukes - its better if we have good relations with him.
Last night I heard Russia's economy is the size of Italy's, and that China's cyberwarfare apparatus makes Russia's look pathetically small by comparison. China is the real threat, we shouldn't allow them to get close to Russia.
Spot-on.
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It's a bit like the editorial I posted the other day.
Sure, Putin is a brut; but consider how long and how ruthless some leaders of Russia/the USSR have been. At least Stalin and I think Lenin too; in that article, they mention Ivan the Terrible, if he was that terrible seems to be up to debate but we get the general picture.
In dealing with North Korea, we are dealing with a regime that has cracked down on its people brutally for at least 65 years, things can't change overnight.
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https://nypost.com/2018/07/20/trump-threatens-putting-tariffs-on-all-imports-from-china/
Do it.
According to Chinese social media there's quiet alot of hair pulling going on over the trade situation with the US. Anxiety level is currently turned up to 11.
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The latest news is that Russia's birthrate has taken a dive again. It is possible and worth considering, the Muslim population could surpass the ethnic Russian Christian population. A lot is written on that including the percentage of Muslims in the Russian military.
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You may be right.
You may be wrong.
I don't know how to be certain one way or the other.
And, I do not know where on his Christian growth trek he happens to be at this time.
@Quix
It's not whether I'm right or not. It's fact. His opponents end up dead.
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@truth_seeker
He has his opponents executed.
How’s that?
Not persuasive. When FDR and Churchill allied with the USSR, they set in motion a situation whereby they saved MILLIONS of allied soldiers. Namely they let the Russians die, not Americans and Brits.
William Shirer's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" would be a great reference.
Eisenhower let the USSR dash to take Berlin first, knowing they would suffer huge losses, which we largely avoided.
In Putin's case, he is in conformity with his nation-cultural norms, just as are the leaders of China, N. Kores, Saudi Arabia, etc.
The US would be very lonely indeed, if it restricted negotiations to only "Constitutional, Christian" leaders and governments
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According to Chinese social media there's quiet alot of hair pulling going on over the trade situation with the US. Anxiety level is currently turned up to 11.
They've rolled us with their Trade Piracy under every Administration up till this one.
They did not anticipate anyone standing up to them.
So now, their Big Retaliatory Counter moves have all turned out to be nothings. Got no teeth.
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This has all the checkmarks for a kook thread.
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Vlad's faith isn't the issue.
Russia today is more a Mafia style of Govt than it is Godless Communism.
Would the American Mafia have tried to get rid of the church? Of course not.
It took the Communists long enough to figure it out but Running the country was a lot easier without expecting everyone to become an atheist.
And with that old school Marxist/Leninist Communism morphed into Mafia ism.
I think you hit the nail on the head. It's basically what I was trying to say, anyway.
Russia has even begun exporting huge numbers of Mafia guys, especially in the big cities on the East and West coasts.
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I don't know about this, but I know Trump and many other politicians including Bush have been seen making Satanic symbols.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSedVjoAJfQhuUJAOYI7tBx-smXg-DCJJxqSL1OIDqmHIn_ixe-)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRL6NXISd_7uYPLkHHtXARlRXwmn-mzBzu7LFHBvMduPADKDJWr)
(http://www.jesusisprecious.org/false_religion/satanism/el_diablo_bill_clinton.jpg)
In GWB's case, that's the "Hook 'Em Horns" sign. It's a University of Texas thing. (Laura went to UT Austin, and GWB is a big fan of the Longhorns.)
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@Quix He hasn’t stopped killing people who cross him so I don’t know which Christ that might be.
@CatherineofAragon
Always be objective - figure out what the behavior tells you (ignore any personal feeling you have about the person). Putin has a plan and it is exceptional. He is embracing Christianity and calling the west (us) un-Godly, that our country accepts homosexuals, bad sexual behavior of all kinds, and are Satan led - there is no more Christianity in this evil country (this is him speaking). He has put himself/his country as THE example of a Christian country. That is his plan - his country is pure Christian and an example to the world. No one can complain about Russia anymore - they are the shining light of Christianity and it is the United States that is evil, a Satan led country. Remember, the truth does not matter - the truth is what Putin says it is.
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@Quix
It's not whether I'm right or not. It's fact. His opponents end up dead.
I haven't seen enough evidence to begin to consider it fact.
And, I don't think he can live long enough to catch up to the Klintoons death count at any rate. LOL. Sigh.
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@CatherineofAragon
Always be objective - figure out what the behavior tells you (ignore any personal feeling you have about the person). Putin has a plan and it is exceptional. He is embracing Christianity and calling the west (us) un-Godly, that our country accepts homosexuals, bad sexual behavior of all kinds, and are Satan led - there is no more Christianity in this evil country (this is him speaking). He has put himself/his country as THE example of a Christian country. That is his plan - his country is pure Christian and an example to the world. No one can complain about Russia anymore - they are the shining light of Christianity and it is the United States that is evil, a Satan led country. Remember, the truth does not matter - the truth is what Putin says it is.
He's no doubt still Putin with all the events of his life still having their influence--like the rest of us. Certainly he's 100% in behalf of Russia.
I don't see him as the 100% duplicitous pretender of Christianity that you seem to.
There are too many incidental data points indicating otherwise.
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He's no doubt still Putin with all the events of his life still having their influence--like the rest of us. Certainly he's 100% in behalf of Russia. I don't see him as the 100% duplicitous pretender of Christianity that you seem to. There are too many incidental data points indicating otherwise.
@Quix
If you can't see that, you need one of your red pills.
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He's no doubt still Putin with all the events of his life still having their influence--like the rest of us. Certainly he's 100% in behalf of Russia.
I don't see him as the 100% duplicitous pretender of Christianity that you seem to.
There are too many incidental data points indicating otherwise.
I don't assume that Putin is a Christian, but I agree with you that he doesn't seem to be consciously hypocritical. I don't even think that about Victoria33.
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In GWB's case, that's the "Hook 'Em Horns" sign. It's a University of Texas thing. (Laura went to UT Austin, and GWB is a big fan of the Longhorns.)
Weird, looks the same as all the others who do it. Obama and his wife, other politicians. What do you think about the triangle Trump makes with his hands? He has done it numerous times.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJCCia72tkpnnFXntEtGgfVv7wc_8giZzpyNuQxThP4f7sjVfD8g)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSAymgjr9OkHVwn1Ls_yBTwLlLg-ZwPU7k9-vwPhMWSUeDb7TXn)
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Not persuasive. When FDR and Churchill allied with the USSR, they set in motion a situation whereby they saved MILLIONS of allied soldiers. Namely they let the Russians die, not Americans and Brits.
William Shirer's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" would be a great reference.
Eisenhower let the USSR dash to take Berlin first, knowing they would suffer huge losses, which we largely avoided.
In Putin's case, he is in conformity with his nation-cultural norms, just as are the leaders of China, N. Kores, Saudi Arabia, etc.
The US would be very lonely indeed, if it restricted negotiations to only "Constitutional, Christian" leaders and governments
“Not persuasiveâ€
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Not persuasive. When FDR and Churchill allied with the USSR, they set in motion a situation whereby they saved MILLIONS of allied soldiers. Namely they let the Russians die, not Americans and Brits.
William Shirer's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" would be a great reference.
Eisenhower let the USSR dash to take Berlin first, knowing they would suffer huge losses, which we largely avoided.
In Putin's case, he is in conformity with his nation-cultural norms, just as are the leaders of China, N. Kores, Saudi Arabia, etc.
The US would be very lonely indeed, if it restricted negotiations to only "Constitutional, Christian" leaders and governments
IIRC, that book also suggested Eisenhower had latent guilt about what he thought was...and extended Lend Lease policy while Russians were dying. Stalingrad. St Petersburg.
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I don't assume that Putin is a Christian, but I agree with you that he doesn't seem to be consciously hypocritical. I don't even think that about Victoria33.
@the_doc
I’ll do @Victoria33 the courtesy of pinging her for you.
The thing is, you aren’t far off the mark. Say someone told you about *psst* an obscure YouTuber with secret knowledge of Trump and Putin sharing a sacred royal bloodline descended from saint Peter. And he had proof—ancient scrolls that detailed their apocalyptic future destinies.
You’d be ready to canonize the old KGB killer.
Actually, if anyone from 4chan is reading here, can you make that your next larp?
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@the_doc
I’ll do @Victoria33 the courtesy of pinging her for you.
Thanks, I'm sometimes remiss in my pingings.
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IIRC, that book also suggested Eisenhower had latent guilt about what he thought was...and extended Lend Lease policy while Russians were dying. Stalingrad. St Petersburg.
I doubt many, in anybody here read the book.
#nevertrumpers generally settle for the meme handed them, by democrats, the media, people like Flakey.
I remember reading, learning:
By the time for the final push to Berlin, the Russians had losses in the millions, at the hands of Germans. Eisenhower gave them the chance for retribution against the Germans, and in so doing saved a great many allied lives.
Tooo bad so few can hold multiple conflicting ideas in their minds at once.
My father and FIL suffered war wounds a the hands of Germans and Japs respectively. The USSR was our ally.
Yes the USSR was our enemy during the Cold War, but Reagan sought to end that, and we became competitors.
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@truth_seeker
Been quite a while since the Russians tried to park missiles 90 miles off our coast in Cuba.
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@truth_seeker
Been quite a while since the Russians tried to park missiles 90 miles off our coast in Cuba.
Excellent point (I guess)!
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Weird, looks the same as all the others who do it. Obama and his wife, other politicians. What do you think about the triangle Trump makes with his hands? He has done it numerous times.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJCCia72tkpnnFXntEtGgfVv7wc_8giZzpyNuQxThP4f7sjVfD8g)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSAymgjr9OkHVwn1Ls_yBTwLlLg-ZwPU7k9-vwPhMWSUeDb7TXn)
I don't know what to make of the triangles. Maybe they just mean I [heart] you. (just kidding.)
On an even less serious note, maybe GWB, being a baseball guy, was optimistically signaling "It's two outs for the other team, only one more to go."
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On a slightly more serious note, maybe it's just a gesture rubbing off on everyone, including politicos, from the gangstas and rappers. (Actually, I'm not kidding about that.)
Continuing in a serious vein, I would point out that in parts of Mexico, making what I would call the "Hook 'Em Horns" sign or the "Two Outs" sign and pointing the upright fingers into the face of an adversary is said to be a "Witches' Hex." (Again, no kidding.) But that doesn't equate it with the Illuminati as far as I'm concerned. It's not flagrant Satanism so much as it is a dopey superstition.
(Oh, I know that there are ancient historical connections of the two-finger sign with the occult, like the Babylonian stuff. Still, it means nothing if a person does it as a completely innocent wave of sorts. OTOH, when Gangsta Obama does something, it's likely not innocent--again, as far as I'm concerned. At the very least, I believe it's probably an evil reflex. [Well, I am halfway serious about that--and halfway not serious.])
Does this post cover the waterfront of possibilities to your satisfaction? :pondering:
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@Quix
If you can't see that, you need one of your red pills.
It's been clear for a while that our perceptions and observations are markedly different . . . as are our interpretations.
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@truth_seeker
Been quite a while since the Russians tried to park missiles 90 miles off our coast in Cuba.
I remember Cuba well. We had plenty to fear, and Americans elected Reagan twice, and he met multiple times with Gorby to wind down the risks of World War and or nuclear anhialation.
Far too much history, far too much common sense, far too much about results for many at TBR.
I just listened to Trump's full interview with Sean Hannity earlier this week. Amazing to simply hear his words. And how entirely different, from the articles that get attention here.
The US plus Russia have 90% of the world's nuclear arms. Trump is trying to enlist Putin's help to help with N. Korea, Iran, Syria for example.
Only juvenile minds think it would be wise to embarrras Putin in public, versus how Trump handled it.
So glad to hear Hannity, Carlson, Jarret, Levin and scott Adams for better takes, versus the onesided news feed, which is curated here.
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I remember Cuba well. We had plenty to fear, and Americans elected Reagan twice, and he met multiple times with Gorby to wind down the risks of World War and or nuclear anhialation.
Far too much history, far too much common sense, far too much about results for many at TBR.
I just listened to Trump's full interview with Sean Hannity earlier this week. Amazing to simply hear his words. And how entirely different, from the articles that get attention here.
The US plus Russia have 90% of the world's nuclear arms. Trump is trying to enlist Putin's help to help with N. Korea, Iran, Syria for example.
Only juvenile minds think it would be wise to embarrras Putin in public, versus how Trump handled it.
So glad to hear Hannity, Carlson, Jarret, Levin and scott Adams for better takes, versus the onesided news feed, which is curated here.
You've nailed it, @truth_seeker ! Great post!
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When are we start going to analyze reverse speech? *****rollingeyes*****
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It almost seems juvenile to bring up, at least some of these images. Just for balance.
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It almost seems juvenile to bring up, at least some of these images. Just for balance.
Ach. Mein Gott. The anointed one, himself.
Good luck in November, seriously Sen. Cruz. Six more years !!
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So when is Trump and Putin going to take on the Stonecutters?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXtQMz1RGNw
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So when is Trump and Putin going to take on the Stonecutters?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXtQMz1RGNw
000hehehehe
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It almost seems juvenile to bring up, at least some of these images. Just for balance.
@TomSea
Keep trying, Tom. Those other guys are sending covert Satanic messages, true. Not so for Ted. He’s making a Zodiac sign to the cops who never caught him for killing all those people in California.
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I’ll do the courtesy of pinging her for you.
@CatherineofAragon
He is on Ignore because his posts to me are personal attacks instead of being about the subject. No redeeming value in his posts to me.
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@CatherineofAragon
He is on Ignore because his posts to me are personal attacks instead of being about the subject. No redeeming value in his posts to me.
@Victoria33
I just wanted you to know you were being brought up. I'll remember that.
I'm going to make a note that something amazing is going to happen by the end of the year so I can apologize to @the_doc. Doc, got any specifics on what it will be?