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General Category => Trump Legal Investigations => Topic started by: Free Vulcan on June 29, 2018, 08:59:41 pm
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Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team has once again delayed sentencing for former Trump official Michael Flynn, according to court documents released Friday.
Flynn, the former Trump campaign official who briefly served as national security advisor to the president before being fired, pleaded guilty last year to making false statements to the FBI.
“Due to the status of the Special Counsel’s investigation, the parties do not believe that this matter is ready to be scheduled for a sentencing hearing at this time,†the joint status report obtained by Fox News read.
The filing marks the third time that the sentencing for Flynn has been postponed.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/29/michael-flynns-sentencing-delayed-by-mueller-team-for-third-time.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/29/michael-flynns-sentencing-delayed-by-mueller-team-for-third-time.html)
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No kidding. I tire of Muellers games and abuse of the system.
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No kidding. I tire of Muellers games and abuse of the system.
It was a joint status report, so the clear inference is that Flynn wants the delay too.
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No kidding. I tire of Muellers games and abuse of the system.
I'm pretty darned sure you are far from alone in that!
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It was a joint status report, so the clear inference is that Flynn wants the delay too.
Flynn is in the weakest possible position. He ran out of money early on and has hovered between bankruptcy and being ground under Mueller's heel ever since. At this point it's not a case of what Flynn wants. It's a case of him not being able to afford the legal firepower to to do much of anything beyond simple acquiescence.
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Flynn is in the weakest possible position. He ran out of money early on and has hovered between bankruptcy and being ground under Mueller's heel ever since. At this point it's not a case of what Flynn wants. It's a case of him not being able to afford the legal firepower to to do much of anything beyond simple acquiescence.
Wait. Somebody's being deliberately bankrupted by the legal system? This is inconceivable!
Lawyers would never make the process into the punishment! Preposterous.
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Wait. Somebody's being deliberately bankrupted by the legal system? This inconceivable!
Lawyers would never make the process into the punishment! Preposterous.
I haven’t heard you proposing that the government should pay everyone’s defense bills. Until you do, you’re just a hypocrite.
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Wait. Somebody's being deliberately bankrupted by the legal system? This inconceivable!
Lawyers would never make the process into the punishment! Preposterous.
@Cyber Liberty
You forgot your sarcasm tag!
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I haven’t heard you proposing that the government should pay everyone’s defense bills. Until you do, you’re just a hypocrite.
It's one or the other? Either have the government pay or not? How about Prosecutors with infinite money
get kicked off the bar for deliberately impoverishing defendants.
False dichotomy. Not gonna argue it with you, I'm not in the mood for games.
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@Cyber Liberty
You forgot your sarcasm tag!
Some sarcasm is so obvious even lawyers can see it... :laugh:
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Some sarcasm is so obvious even lawyers can see it... :laugh:
Or the Never Trumpers.
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Wait. Somebody's being deliberately bankrupted by the legal system? This is inconceivable!
Lawyers would never make the process into the punishment! Preposterous.
I hear what you're saying. I mean, it's not like Mueller has ever abused the power of Fedzilla in the past or anything.
DIRTY COP: Here Are the Major Scandals that Took Place When Robert Mueller Was FBI Director
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/dirty-cop-major-scandals-took-place-robert-mueller-fbi-director/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/dirty-cop-major-scandals-took-place-robert-mueller-fbi-director/)
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Flynn is in the weakest possible position. He ran out of money early on and has hovered between bankruptcy and being ground under Mueller's heel ever since.
Horseshit. He's worth millions and gets a six figure retirement pension. They came to a plea agreement early because his son was also in legal jeopardy. It had nothing to do with finances. The lawyers have filed joint sentencing delay motions sporadically since. There's no way he's racking up anywhere near the billable hours to burn through his fortune.
Flynn's worth about $7M and McCabe is worth about $11M. Both are whining about legal fees and set up defense funds. No word on how much Flynn's has made, but McCabe raised at least $500K within days of being set up. Whoever's donating to either man's fund is being taken for a ride.
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Wait. Somebody's being deliberately bankrupted by the legal system? This is inconceivable!
Lawyers would never make the process into the punishment! Preposterous.
The process is the punishment.
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The process is the punishment.
Funny how you only clutch your pearls about this when it’s one of Trump’s dirty little minions getting squeezed.
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It had nothing to do with finances.
Yeah, that's why he had to sell his house to pay his lawyers.
Flynn selling house to pay legal bills in Trump probe (https://abcnews.go.com/US/flynn-selling-house-pay-legal-bills-trump-probe/story?id=53545172)
Do NeverTrumpers ever tell the truth?
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Yeah, that's why he had to sell his house to pay his lawyers.
Flynn selling house to pay legal bills in Trump probe (https://abcnews.go.com/US/flynn-selling-house-pay-legal-bills-trump-probe/story?id=53545172)
Do NeverTrumpers ever tell the truth?
Put the pearls down and stop hyperventilating.
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Funny how you only clutch your pearls about this when it’s one of Trump’s dirty little minions getting squeezed.
Believe me, I've been down on our (illegal) legal system and scum bag lawyers for a long time.
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Believe me, I've been down on our (illegal) legal system and scum bag lawyers for a long time.
Yeah right. Apparently, your accusation about NTers never telling the truth was really just an admission of your own mendacity.
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Yeah, that's why he had to sell his house to pay his lawyers.
Flynn selling house to pay legal bills in Trump probe (https://abcnews.go.com/US/flynn-selling-house-pay-legal-bills-trump-probe/story?id=53545172)
Do NeverTrumpers ever tell the truth?
I've been over this before. He sold the Alexandria house, because his career in DC was done the second he got fired by both Obama and Trump within three years. One president fires you for insubordination, the other for lying. Good luck getting work inside the beltway after that.
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Lawyers. Can't live with them. Can't live with them.
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The process is the punishment.
Exactly. Especially in this instance. Mueller has no case against Trump, not a single piece of evidence in nearly two years of investigation that Donald Trump or his campaign “colluded†with “Russians.†Not now, not in the campaign, not ever.
The process is the only weapon they have: Mueller has nothing criminal to get him on. The plan has always been to destroy the president politically, not criminally because that’s all the democrats have.
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Exactly. Especially in this instance. Mueller has no case against Trump, not a single piece of evidence in nearly two years of investigation that Donald Trump or his campaign “colluded†with “Russians.†Not now, not in the campaign, not ever.
The process is the only weapon they have: Mueller has nothing criminal to get him on. The plan has always been to destroy the president politically, not criminally because that’s all the democrats have.
Uhhh, you are aware that this concerns the indictment and plea of Flynn, not Trump.
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Horseshit. He's worth millions and gets a six figure retirement pension. They came to a plea agreement early because his son was also in legal jeopardy. It had nothing to do with finances. The lawyers have filed joint sentencing delay motions sporadically since. There's no way he's racking up anywhere near the billable hours to burn through his fortune.
Flynn's worth about $7M and McCabe is worth about $11M. Both are whining about legal fees and set up defense funds. No word on how much Flynn's has made, but McCabe raised at least $500K within days of being set up. Whoever's donating to either man's fund is being taken for a ride.
MUELLER’S SHAME: Flynn forced to sell his house to pay his legal bills
Posted on March 6, 2018
https://truepundit.com/muellers-shame-flynn-forced-sell-house-pay-legal-bills/
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MUELLER’S SHAME: Flynn forced to sell his house to pay his legal bills
Posted on March 6, 2018
https://truepundit.com/muellers-shame-flynn-forced-sell-house-pay-legal-bills/
Covered in post 20. We're told the legal bills are in the $1M neighborhood. That's less than 15% of his worth. It goes even lower when you add in whatever he gets from his defense fund. I don't think we'll see him busking in the DC metro anytime soon.
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Covered in post 20. We're told the legal bills are in the $1M neighborhood. That's less than 15% of his worth. It goes even lower when you add in whatever he gets from his defense fund. I don't think we'll see him busking in the DC metro anytime soon.
I use Duckduckgo. I typed in 'Flynn forced sell house Mueller.' I got pp of hits, some leftist, some conservative, some more middle of the road. According to you they're all wrong, every single source.
Well that's just breathtaking. If anyone considers themselves the only one who can get news right, and believes the slew of other, official news sources are all ignorantly wrong, why wouldn't that person open their own news outlet? I.e.: anyone who considers themself a superior authority should be able to attract a following and achieve recognition...no?
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I use Duckduckgo. I typed in 'Flynn forced sell house Mueller.' I got pp of hits, some leftist, some conservative, some more middle of the road. According to you they're all wrong, every single source.
Well that's just breathtaking. If anyone considers themselves the only one who can get news right, and believes the slew of other, official news sources are all ignorantly wrong, why wouldn't that person open their own news outlet? I.e.: anyone who considers themself a superior authority should be able to attract a following and achieve recognition...no?
You really should know better, since many ‘different’ news stories often source the same material from AP, Reuters, or whomever. Just because multiple outlets reported it, doesn’t make the source material true. Besides, the numbers don’t lie. His legal bills are a small fraction of his worth. Besides, his value as a DC consultant bottomed out with his second dismissal. He was going to sell that house regardless. Saying ‘Mueller made me do it’ plays to the suckers donating to his legal fund.
Flynn is a lifelong Democrat who was making a lot of money lobbying for Turkey. They haven’t exactly had our interests in mind under Erdoğan. Not registering under FARA is technically a violation of the law, but it’s not often prosecuted. Given that Flynn and Manafort were getting rich off working for Turkish and Russian interests, respectively, I can see why they’d avoid making it official through registration for as long as possible. These guys aren’t who you think they are. Just because I know water is better for plants than Brawndo - that doesn’t make me a genius.
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You really should know better, since many ‘different’ news stories often source the same material from AP, Reuters, or whomever. Just because multiple outlets reported it, doesn’t make the source material true. Besides, the numbers don’t lie. His legal bills are a small fraction of his worth. Besides, his value as a DC consultant bottomed out with his second dismissal. He was going to sell that house regardless. Saying ‘Mueller made me do it’ plays to the suckers donating to his legal fund.
Flynn is a lifelong Democrat who was making a lot of money lobbying for Turkey. They haven’t exactly had our interests in mind under Erdoğan. Not registering under FARA is technically a violation of the law, but it’s not often prosecuted. Given that Flynn and Manafort were getting rich off working for Turkish and Russian interests, respectively, I can see why they’d avoid making it official through registration for as long as possible. These guys aren’t who you think they are. Just because I know water is better for plants than Brawndo - that doesn’t make me a genius.
Not all the stories re Flynn's financial duress originate from the same source by a long shot. But if you are right and Flynn is dishonestly crying poor-mouth, surely there must be at least *one* reliable news source that has set the record sttaight.
I will carefully and consideringly read the best source you can find to link to. Tia.
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Not all the stories re Flynn's financial duress originate from the same source by a long shot. But if you are right and Flynn is dishonestly crying poor-mouth, surely there must be at least *one* reliable news source that has set the record sttaight.
I will carefully and consideringly read the best source you can find to link to. Tia.
Filings from 2016 show his income was $1.5M, with most of that coming from his intel group business.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/politics/white-house-financial-disclosures/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/politics/white-house-financial-disclosures/index.html)
This site calculates his net worth at $7M. It may be on the low end, since they calculate Kellyanne Conway at $26M and other places have her at $39M. Whether some are including spousal net worth may make a difference.
https://finapp.co.in/michael-flynn-net-worth/ (https://finapp.co.in/michael-flynn-net-worth/)
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Filings from 2016 show his income was $1.5M, with most of that coming from his intel group business.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/politics/white-house-financial-disclosures/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/politics/white-house-financial-disclosures/index.html)
This site calculates his net worth at $7M. It may be on the low end, since they calculate Kellyanne Conway at $26M and other places have her at $39M. Whether some are including spousal net worth may make a difference.
https://finapp.co.in/michael-flynn-net-worth/ (https://finapp.co.in/michael-flynn-net-worth/)
So you're maintaining that Flynn is lying through his teeth re the financial duress that led him to sell his house, but there's not one news outlet--not a single, solitary one--that has called him on his lies and set the record straight.
Not one.
Not buying it. Trump is hated and reviled by the MSM, and Flynn was an actual part of Trump's administration. If Flynn were lying to the extent you claim, there would be no shortage of exposés.
Your position defies both logic and common sense. The press simply does not love Trump associates enough to let them get away with that level of dishonesty. They DO, however, love Mueller enough to defend him from charges of financially destroying targets, if such a defense were possible.
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So you're maintaining that Flynn is lying through his teeth re the financial duress that led him to sell his house, but there's not one news outlet--not a single, solitary one--that has called him on his lies and set the record straight.
Not one.
Not buying it. Trump is hated and reviled by the MSM, and Flynn was an actual part of Trump's administration. If Flynn were lying to the extent you claim, there would be no shortage of exposés.
Your position defies both logic and common sense. The press simply does not love Trump associates enough to let them get away with that level of dishonesty. They DO, however, love Mueller enough to defend him from charges of financially destroying targets, if such a defense were possible.
Yeah, alright. He's spent the past few years making money from a book he's written, income from the Flynn Intel business, multiple paid speaking fees like the $45K he got for the RT anniversary, investments, etc. In fact, he was so stressed out by his dire financial situation, trying to scrape pennies together, he spent last summer surfing with his family in Rhode Island. You believe whatever you want.
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Yeah, alright. He's spent the past few years making money from a book he's written, income from the Flynn Intel business, multiple paid speaking fees like the $45K he got for the RT anniversary, investments, etc. In fact, he was so stressed out by his dire financial situation, trying to scrape pennies together, he spent last summer surfing with his family in Rhode Island. You believe whatever you want.
I believe what I see. The Trump-hating press does not, under any circumstance, support Trump-friendly anti-Mueller propaganda. A person would have to be psychotic to believe that. Nevertheless you claim to be the only person alive who has sleuthed out the truth about Flynn's finances. Everyone in the press has been duped but you are more knowledgeable than every single one of them. Basic common sense says that is baloney.
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I believe what I see. The Trump-hating press does not, under any circumstance, support Trump-friendly anti-Mueller propaganda. A person would have to be psychotic to believe that. Nevertheless you claim to be the only person alive who has sleuthed out the truth about Flynn's finances. Everyone in the press has been duped but you are more knowledgeable than every single one of them. Basic common sense says that is baloney.
Basic common sense says a man with a 30+ year military career, with a six-figure retirement, who made a lot of money through lobbying, a book deal, speaking fees, consulting, and under reported $1.5M in income has more worth than you think.
Just because the hostile press isn't talking about something doesn't mean it's not true or didn't happen. For instance, Jennings vs Rodriguez was decided in February. It allowed the DOJ to indefinitely detain illegals, while hearings were pending. Despite that, Trump was spending this spring blaming inadequate border enforcement on catch and release. It was an obvious lie, since they were no longer bound by it, but you never heard about it. Few are likely even aware of the case or decision.
The 'tree falls in the woods' philosophy with Flynn doesn't fly. He was fired over a year ago. He entered into the plea deal 7 months ago. His former consultant service Flynn Intel Group has been dissolved. For some reason you don't see him working at McDonald's or holding a tin cup on the corner, despite these 'dire' circumstances.
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Basic common sense says a man with a 30+ year military career, with a six-figure retirement, who made a lot of money through lobbying, a book deal, speaking fees, consulting, and under reported $1.5M in income has more worth than you think.
Just because the hostile press isn't talking about something doesn't mean it's not true or didn't happen. For instance, Jennings vs Rodriguez was decided in February. It allowed the DOJ to indefinitely detain illegals, while hearings were pending. Despite that, Trump was spending this spring blaming inadequate border enforcement on catch and release. It was an obvious lie, since they were no longer bound by it, but you never heard about it. Few are likely even aware of the case or decision.
The 'tree falls in the woods' philosophy with Flynn doesn't fly. He was fired over a year ago. He entered into the plea deal 7 months ago. His former consultant service Flynn Intel Group has been dissolved. For some reason you don't see him working at McDonald's or holding a tin cup on the corner, despite these 'dire' circumstances.
Or requesting assignment of counsel.
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Or requesting assignment of counsel.
If he did that, you would be the first to say he should have hired a better lawyer than a Public Defense attorney.
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If he did that, you would be the first to say he should have hired a better lawyer than a Public Defense attorney.
If you say so.
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I know so. You said something just like that in the past half hour or so, on a similar topic, on the subject of court-ordered income servitude.
You know nothing of the sort. In response to your whinging on about your child support payments, I suggested that perhaps you wouldn’t be paying so much if you’d hired a better lawyer.
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Basic common sense says a man with a 30+ year military career, with a six-figure retirement, who made a lot of money through lobbying, a book deal, speaking fees, consulting, and under reported $1.5M in income has more worth than you think.
Just because the hostile press isn't talking about something doesn't mean it's not true or didn't happen. For instance, Jennings vs Rodriguez was decided in February. It allowed the DOJ to indefinitely detain illegals, while hearings were pending. Despite that, Trump was spending this spring blaming inadequate border enforcement on catch and release. It was an obvious lie, since they were no longer bound by it, but you never heard about it. Few are likely even aware of the case or decision.
The 'tree falls in the woods' philosophy with Flynn doesn't fly. He was fired over a year ago. He entered into the plea deal 7 months ago. His former consultant service Flynn Intel Group has been dissolved. For some reason you don't see him working at McDonald's or holding a tin cup on the corner, despite these 'dire' circumstances.
Flynn's financial duress has been reported by more media outlets than I could ever conceivably have time to count. According to you they're all propagandizing for Flynn and against Mueller.
Sorry, but this exact 'logic' is one of the biggest reasons I'm so adamantly anti-Q. According to the Q cult, the more rationality/reason and common sense tells you something is false, the more likely it is to be true. That is the very essence of psychosis: looking at reality and believing that 'actual reality' is the opposite of what you see.
If you could link to a single reputable source backing your claim I would seriously examine it. But I can't take it seriously otherwise. All the most whackadoodle, irrational conspiracy theories begin with the same premise: everybody else is wrong and I'm right. They're all deluded but I represent the cognoscenti.
Not buying.
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Speaking of knowing nothing of the sort. I have yet to "whing" about "my" child support. In fact, I don't recall saying anything about ever paying that.
Then why are you so hot and bothered by it?
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It's possible to see injustice even when not directly affected by it.
That's true. For example, not everyone who opposes antisemitism is Jewish. Also, I've been reading the #Walkaway posts. Many liberals are turning on the Democrats exactly because of their unfair and relentless attacks on Trump. The unhinged hatred of the Left is backfiring big time.
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It's possible to see injustice even when not directly affected by it.
And yet you see no injustice in forcing a woman into reproductive servitude, while demanding that the man be absolved of all responsibility.
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Where did I say I think it's OK to force a woman to do the act required to conceive a child? Wouldn't that be "rape?" Once again, you are twisting words. That may make you a fine lawyer, but that doesn't mean it makes you a find person. Nor one worthy of arguing with.
Forcing a woman to continue with an unwanted pregnancy, and to raise the child on her own, is as much reproductive slavery as is forcing her to conceive in the first place. I agree you never stated the latter, but you have definitely argued for the former.
And I think we should stop hijacking this thread now.
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Forcing a woman to continue with an unwanted pregnancy, and to raise the child on her own, is as much reproductive slavery as is forcing her to conceive in the first place. I agree you never stated the latter, but you have definitely argued for the former.
And I think we should stop hijacking this thread now.
Next time there's an actual thread discussing abortion, could you give me a head's up? I'd like to contribute to that discussion, but like you I'm not a big fan of thread hijacking.
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Next time there's an actual thread discussing abortion, could you give me a head's up? I'd like to contribute to that discussion, but like you I'm not a big fan of thread hijacking.
I agree. I’m sorry. I’ll self-report these posts to the Mods so they can remove them.
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I agree. I’m sorry. I’ll self-report these posts to the Mods so they can remove them.
I wasn't criticizing you at all. The discussion veered, as they sometimes do. It's just that I actually would like to contribute some thoughts to the aforementioned topic, but in a more trenchant setting.
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Flynn's financial duress has been reported by more media outlets than I could ever conceivably have time to count. According to you they're all propagandizing for Flynn and against Mueller.
Sorry, but this exact 'logic' is one of the biggest reasons I'm so adamantly anti-Q. According to the Q cult, the more rationality/reason and common sense tells you something is false, the more likely it is to be true. That is the very essence of psychosis: looking at reality and believing that 'actual reality' is the opposite of what you see.
If you could link to a single reputable source backing your claim I would seriously examine it. But I can't take it seriously otherwise. All the most whackadoodle, irrational conspiracy theories begin with the same premise: everybody else is wrong and I'm right. They're all deluded but I represent the cognoscenti.
Not buying.
All of the reports about his financial situation stem from the sale of the Alexandria home and say so of family member sources. What proof have they offered? The site link you don't find credibile reports McCabe has a net worth of $11M. Unlike Flynn, he has yet to be charged with a crime, much less agreed to a guilty plea for one. Still, the government took specific, intentional action to harm him financially with the timing of his dismissal. I certainly don't feel sorry for him, either. Like Flynn, his own actions put him in his current position and they have consequences.
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I wasn't criticizing you at all. The discussion veered, as they sometimes do. It's just that I actually would like to contribute some thoughts to the aforementioned topic, but in a more trenchant setting.
No worries. You’re too kind. It was actually worthy of criticism because it did end up becoming a blatant hijack. You were actually quite civilized in pointing it out!
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All of the reports about his financial situation stem from the sale of the Alexandria home and say so of family member sources. What proof have they offered? The site link you don't find credibile reports McCabe has a net worth of $11M. Unlike Flynn, he has yet to be charged with a crime, much less agreed to a guilty plea for one. Yet, the government took specific, intentional action to harm him financially with the timing of his dismissal. I certainly don't feel sorry for him, either. Like Flynn, his own actions put him in his current position and they have consequences.
I see a good business opportunity here. You can start a movement to do away with CPAs and audits completely. Advertise yourself as such a keen financial analyst that you can know all there is to be known about a person's finances just by clicking a couple of sites. Offer to teach your mad skillz to others. Even at some very low cost--say $19.99 per online tutorial--you'd still clean up.
The advanced tutorial, at $29.99, could include a Mueller is the Man hat/cap. Think it over. I can almost hear the seductive cha-ching of incoming cash; it's a niche market just waiting to be filled.
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No worries. You’re too kind. It was actually worthy of criticism because it did end up becoming a blatant hijack. You were actually quite civilized in pointing it out!
Flattery will get you quite a lot, but I honestly didn't have even a smidgen of criticism in mind.
😊 :beer:
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MUELLER’S SHAME: Flynn forced to sell his house to pay his legal bills
Posted on March 6, 2018
https://truepundit.com/muellers-shame-flynn-forced-sell-house-pay-legal-bills/
Yeah, like I said, it cites his brother as the source, with nothing else to back it up. Let’s forget all about the fact that his Alexandria based consulting firm would dry up after getting fired twice by two different presidents. You can add the indictment and guilty plea to it - months after the fact. Without his Alexandria based business and no real prospects in DC after being labeled a liar, by the Trump administration, why would he keep the home?
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Yeah, like I said, it cites his brother as the source, with nothing else to back it up. Let’s forget all about the fact that his Alexandria based consulting firm would dry up after getting fired twice by two different presidents. You can add the indictment and guilty plea to it - months after the fact. Without his Alexandria based business and no real prospects in DC after being labeled a liar, by the Trump administration, why would he keep the home?
Are you not reading my posts? I said I wouldn't take you seriously until you can link to a better source than, "Me, myself and I."
Did you think I was bluffing? Right now I am reading an in-depth article about the financial devastation Mueller is wreaking with his "fishing expedition." I don't even know why I chose this particular article; there was such an embarrassment of riches, I could read similar articles all week if I could spare the time.
Up against that all you have, as noted, are your own self-references. Try harder. Use a different search engine. It's a big world. If you're right, there has to be some credible source somewhere that agrees with you.
Note: yes, just for the record, Flynn is prominently featured in the article I referenced above.
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Are you not reading my posts? I said I wouldn't take you seriously until you can link to a better source than, "Me, myself and I."
Did you think I was bluffing? Right now I am reading an in-depth article about the financial devastation Mueller is wreaking with his "fishing expedition." I don't even know why I chose this particular article; there was such an embarrassment of riches, I could read similar articles all week if I could spare the time.
Up against that all you have, as noted, are your own self-references. Try harder. Use a different search engine. It's a big world. If you're right, there has to be some credible source somewhere that agrees with you.
Note: yes, just for the record, Flynn is prominently featured in the article I referenced above.
I provided a link to his net worth in post 29. It’s not a site of my creation. The article you linked talks about Flynn, but the only quotes in the references ABC article are from his brother. There’s no independent source to back his claim. His only way of knowing would be through Michael. Let’s take the second-hand word of a man who concealed his lobbying efforts on behalf of the Turkish government, withheld information on financial disclosures, got dismissed as national security advisor for lying, then agreed to enter into a plea deal for lying. Seems reasonable.
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I provided a link to his net worth in post 29. It’s not a site of my creation. The article you linked talks about Flynn, but the only quotes in the references ABC article are from his brother. There’s no independent source to back his claim. His only way of knowing would be through Michael. Let’s take the second-hand word of a man who concealed his lobbying efforts on behalf of the Turkish government, withheld information on financial disclosures, got dismissed as national security advisor for lying, then agreed to enter into a plea deal for lying. Seems reasonable.
Are you purposefully misunderstanding, or is this sincerely the best you can do?
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Are you purposefully misunderstanding, or is this sincerely the best you can do?
What am I misunderstanding about ‘me myself and I’....? Here is another link with the same approximate info.
Micheal is a retired Lieutenant General of United States Army whose annual income is $900,000 USD and as a National Security Advisor, he has around $172,200 per years.In 2015 Flynn was paid over $65,000 by companies connected to Russia including $11,250 from both Volga-Dnepr Ariles and U.S. subsidairy of Kaspersky Lab.
His net worth of approximately $7 million.
https://knownetworth.com/michael-flynn-net-worth#google_vignette (https://knownetworth.com/michael-flynn-net-worth#google_vignette)
If you don’t want to trust Finapp or me, perhaps you’ll trust Limbaugh, who used it to cite McCabe’s net worth, while saying Flynn was broke. I guess he didn’t bother using the same site to check that.
But Andrew McCabe, according to this, has a net worth of $11 million. Mueller’s net worth is said to be $3 million, I think. And within the establishment that’s chump change. Don’t doubt me. But it’s still a lot of money, and it’s very sufficient.
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/03/19/the-drive-bys-lied-mccabe-didnt-lose-his-pension/amp/ (https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/03/19/the-drive-bys-lied-mccabe-didnt-lose-his-pension/amp/)
The ‘according to this’ portion at the article source hot links to the McCabe finapp page.
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What am I misunderstanding about ‘me myself and I’....? Here is another link with the same approximate info.
Micheal is a retired Lieutenant General of United States Army whose annual income is $900,000 USD and as a National Security Advisor, he has around $172,200 per years.In 2015 Flynn was paid over $65,000 by companies connected to Russia including $11,250 from both Volga-Dnepr Ariles and U.S. subsidairy of Kaspersky Lab.
His net worth of approximately $7 million.
https://knownetworth.com/michael-flynn-net-worth#google_vignette (https://knownetworth.com/michael-flynn-net-worth#google_vignette)
If you don’t want to trust Finapp or me, perhaps you’ll trust Limbaugh, who used it to cite McCabe’s net worth, while saying Flynn was broke. I guess he didn’t bother using the same site to check that.
But Andrew McCabe, according to this, has a net worth of $11 million. Mueller’s net worth is said to be $3 million, I think. And within the establishment that’s chump change. Don’t doubt me. But it’s still a lot of money, and it’s very sufficient.
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/03/19/the-drive-bys-lied-mccabe-didnt-lose-his-pension/amp/ (https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/03/19/the-drive-bys-lied-mccabe-didnt-lose-his-pension/amp/)
The ‘according to this’ portion at the article source hot links to the McCabe finapp page.
The issue is the extrapolation you derive from the sites. Why, iow, do the press and opinion writers, pundits, political commentators and bloggers all have access to the same info, but not one credible source (that I'm aware of) has used that info to derive the opinions that you have been stating as fact?
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The issue is the extrapolation you derive from the sites. Why, iow, do the press and opinion writers, pundits, political commentators and bloggers all have access to the same info, but not one credible source (that I'm aware of) has used that info to derive the opinions that you have been stating as fact?
Perhaps because they didn’t care to do the hard work of drawing the obvious inferences.
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The issue is the extrapolation you derive from the sites. Why, iow, do the press and opinion writers, pundits, political commentators and bloggers all have access to the same info, but not one credible source (that I'm aware of) has used that info to derive the opinions that you have been stating as fact?
Well, to be fair, the only information we have about the Flynn financial crisis is hardly from an impartial source. I wouldn’t expect them to say anything different. Whether finapp is credible, I don’t know. However, their figures are close to people with worth available from other places, aren’t accompanied by any partisan commentary, and people on both sides of the aisle are searchable.
There’s also this.......
Given that a single F.B.I. interview could require 40 to 60 hours of prep work, even the lowest level White House staffer ensnared in Mueller’s probe could end up on the hook for $30,000 to $54,000. Flynn, meanwhile, has hired at least seven lawyers, BuzzFeed News reports. He has enlisted one of the most prestigious law firms in Washington, D.C., Covington & Burling, which specializes in the extremely expensive art of preparing clients for congressional inquiries, both through legal research, strategy, and preparing their clients for congressional hearings. According to a source close to Flynn, the costs will “certainly be into the seven figures.â€
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/09/michael-flynn-legal-defense-fund-fees (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/09/michael-flynn-legal-defense-fund-fees)
Unless you have the means, why hire such a large, prestigious legal team, then retain at least one high dollar attorney, after the plea deal to assist with Mueller investigation cooperation, sentence extension filing motions, and representation at the eventual sentence hearing? Telling people publicly and on your legal defense fund site that this is a major hardship gets more donations than, “Man, this is really going to bite into my $7M fortune.â€
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Perhaps because they didn’t care to do the hard work of drawing the obvious inferences.
According to the other party, there's no hard work involved. All that's required is to click on a couple of websites, draw the obvious conclusion, and then work it into a story, an article, an opinion piece, etc. Ridiculously easy, as presented.
Unlike Hillary, I don't believe in vast conspiracies. The bigger a conspiracy, the more inevitable it becomes that someone breaks ranks and/or blows the whistle. Of course if I were a Qer I'd think nothing of stating as fact that anyone who printed the truth about Flynn's finances would quickly die under mysterious circumstances [and knows this: hence the solidarity of the pro-Flynn lies]. Since a Qer is one of the last things I'll ever be, I suffer from no such delusions.
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Well, to be fair, the only information we have about the Flynn financial crisis is hardly from an impartial source. I wouldn’t expect them to say anything different. Whether finapp is credible, I don’t know. However, their figures are close to people with worth available from other places, aren’t accompanied by any partisan commentary, and people on both sides of the aisle are searchable.
There’s also this.......
Given that a single F.B.I. interview could require 40 to 60 hours of prep work, even the lowest level White House staffer ensnared in Mueller’s probe could end up on the hook for $30,000 to $54,000. Flynn, meanwhile, has hired at least seven lawyers, BuzzFeed News reports. He has enlisted one of the most prestigious law firms in Washington, D.C., Covington & Burling, which specializes in the extremely expensive art of preparing clients for congressional inquiries, both through legal research, strategy, and preparing their clients for congressional hearings. According to a source close to Flynn, the costs will “certainly be into the seven figures.â€
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/09/michael-flynn-legal-defense-fund-fees (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/09/michael-flynn-legal-defense-fund-fees)
Unless you have the means, why hire such a large, prestigious legal team, then retain at least one high dollar attorney, after the plea deal to assist with Mueller investigation cooperation, sentence extension filing motions, and representation at the eventual sentence hearing? Telling people publicly and on your legal defense fund site that this is a major hardship gets more donations than, “Man, this is really going to bite into my $7M fortune.â€
If the opinions you have derived from the sources you cite are valid, you cannot be the only person who knows the truth. This applies to credible news sources as well. If the truth is as obvious and easily derived as you claim, then somewhere a pundit has not only drawn the same conclusions but has published the findings as well. I interestedly await the link that offers such analysis by someone with sufficient credibility to make a convincing case.
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According to the other party, there's no hard work involved. All that's required is to click on a couple of websites, draw the obvious conclusion, and then work it into a story, an article, an opinion piece, etc. Ridiculously easy, as presented.
It’s ridiculously easy, because a retired 3 star with political connections didn’t open a DC consulting firm to grind it out, like a ham and egger. He did it because it’s very lucrative - and it was. In at least one year of reported income, he made almost 10X his former government salary.
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It’s ridiculously easy, because a retired 3 star with political connections didn’t open a DC consulting firm to grind it out, like a ham and egger. He did it because it’s very lucrative - and it was. In at least one year of reported income, he made almost 10X his former government salary.
Unless you are Flynn's personal CPA, you do not know how that $ was appropriated and you cannot begin to know the size and nature of Flynn's debt/obligations. That is just a fact.
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Given that a single F.B.I. interview could require 40 to 60 hours of prep work, even the lowest level White House staffer ensnared in Mueller’s probe could end up on the hook for $30,000 to $54,000.
This is why I don't really care that much that Flynn is being looted by Mueller. The story under the surface here is Mueller is trying to bankrupt a whole slew of low or entry level staffers here. They don't have the resources of an eleventy-star General, they are facing bankruptcy over their legal bills. The brilliant legal-beagle keyboard warriors with a law degrees don't give a rat's ass, and explain away what damage Mueller is doing to the "little people."
Prosecutors do this all the time to accused criminals. Oftentimes they are able to prove their innocence, but walk away financially wiped out because unscrupulous Prosecutors ran up the costs in an attempt to get them to plea out. What's the response I get? "What's your solution, make the government pay for their defense?"
The system worked. (Spit!)
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This is why I don't really care that much that Flynn is being looted by Mueller. The story under the surface here is Mueller is trying to bankrupt a whole slew of low or entry level staffers here. They don't have the resources of an eleventy-star General, they are facing bankruptcy over their legal bills. The brilliant legal-beagle keyboard warriors with a law degrees don't give a rat's ass, and explain away what damage Mueller is doing to the "little people."
Prosecutors do this all the time to accused criminals. Oftentimes they are able to prove their innocence, but walk away financially wiped out because unscrupulous Prosecutors ran up the costs in an attempt to get them to plea out. What's the response I get? "What's your solution, make the government pay for their defense?"
The system worked. (Spit!)
Then there was the second of two innocent people Mueller hounded in the anthrax case. The first guy at least survived; the second one committed suicide.
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This is why I don't really care that much that Flynn is being looted by Mueller. The story under the surface here is Mueller is trying to bankrupt a whole slew of low or entry level staffers here. They don't have the resources of an eleventy-star General, they are facing bankruptcy over their legal bills. The brilliant legal-beagle keyboard warriors with a law degrees don't give a rat's ass, and explain away what damage Mueller is doing to the "little people."
Like who, Caputo? He whined about being ‘ruined’ and raised almost 3X what he needed. He raised so much, in fact, he’s spreading it around.
Trustees for the fund issued a statement that said the Michael Caputo Fund had raised over $300,000 in a week. The goal had been to raise $125,000 for Caputo's legal expenses amassed due to his appearances before federal investigators about claims of Russian interference in the campaign.
"With his fees so far paid in full, Michael asked us to consider assisting others caught up in this partisan witch hunt," principal trustee Ralph Lorigo said. "Our articles of trust allow such expenditures, and we believe his donors support this decision."
https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/862581?section=politics&keywords=michael-caputo-president-donald-trump-2016-presidential-election-jd-gordon&year=2018&month=05&date=26&id=862581&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=r.search.yahoo.com (https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/862581?section=politics&keywords=michael-caputo-president-donald-trump-2016-presidential-election-jd-gordon&year=2018&month=05&date=26&id=862581&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=r.search.yahoo.com)
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Like who, Caputo? He whined about being ‘ruined’ and raised almost 3X what he needed. He raised so much, in fact, he’s spreading it around.
Look, I know you hate Trump so much that you want Mueller to destroy anybody near him to get the big guy.
My point was about the other people we don't hear about. Leave me out of your Crusade, M'kay? Bye.
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Look, I know you hate Trump so much that you want Mueller to destroy anybody near him to get the big guy.
My point was about the other people we don't hear about. Leave me out of your Crusade, M'kay? Bye.
You must still be butthurt over Ellis not throwing out the Mueller case against Manafort. You had such high hopes. I’m not going to get a prize for Mueller’s efforts, so the outcome holds no great importance for me. M’kay?
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This is why I don't really care that much that Flynn is being looted by Mueller. The story under the surface here is Mueller is trying to bankrupt a whole slew of low or entry level staffers here. They don't have the resources of an eleventy-star General, they are facing bankruptcy over their legal bills. The brilliant legal-beagle keyboard warriors with a law degrees don't give a rat's ass, and explain away what damage Mueller is doing to the "little people."
Prosecutors do this all the time to accused criminals. Oftentimes they are able to prove their innocence, but walk away financially wiped out because unscrupulous Prosecutors ran up the costs in an attempt to get them to plea out. What's the response I get? "What's your solution, make the government pay for their defense?"
The system worked. (Spit!)
It makes a complete mockery of the ""justice"" system.... when if even if/when you are innocent of any guilt they are trying to assign to you, you and your family are basically ruined financially and reputation wise due to the "guilty by association (with Trump)" stigma. It's a joke.... a very unfunny joke.... and anyone defending it is part of that joke, IMO.
The solution is... don't allow rogue prosecutors do get away with it. That simple.
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You must still be butthurt over Ellis not throwing out the Mueller case against Manafort. You had such high hopes. I’m not going to get a prize for Mueller’s efforts, so the outcome holds no great importance for me. M’kay?
I don't get "butthurt" over such matters, they are not my own. After a few months of observing, I do get a kick out of the way you operate, though...accusing others of things like that when they obviously got your number.
Got your goat pretty fast, didn't I?
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I don't get "butthurt" over such matters, they are not my own. After a few months of observing, I do get a kick out of the way you operate, though...accusing others of things like that when they obviously got your number.
Got your goat pretty fast, didn't I?
Look, I know you hate Trump so much that you want Mueller to destroy anybody near him to get the big guy.
My point was about the other people we don't hear about. Leave me out of your Crusade, M'kay? Bye.
Yeah - your ten year old girl ‘leave me alone!’ schtick really got to me. :silly:
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It makes a complete mockery of the ""justice"" system.... when if even if/when you are innocent of any guilt they are trying to assign to you, you and your family are basically ruined financially and reputation wise due to the "guilty by association (with Trump)" stigma. It's a joke.... a very unfunny joke.... and anyone defending it is part of that joke, IMO.
The solution is... don't allow rogue prosecutors do get away with it. That simple.
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The solution is looser pays. Even when the looser is government.
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This is why I don't really care that much that Flynn is being looted by Mueller. The story under the surface here is Mueller is trying to bankrupt a whole slew of low or entry level staffers here. They don't have the resources of an eleventy-star General, they are facing bankruptcy over their legal bills. The brilliant legal-beagle keyboard warriors with a law degrees don't give a rat's ass, and explain away what damage Mueller is doing to the "little people."
Prosecutors do this all the time to accused criminals. Oftentimes they are able to prove their innocence, but walk away financially wiped out because unscrupulous Prosecutors ran up the costs in an attempt to get them to plea out. What's the response I get? "What's your solution, make the government pay for their defense?"
The system worked. (Spit!)
Mueller is destroying people who have zero guilt associated with the witch hunt. It's one of those disgraces that will be a blight on the enablers for many decades to come:
While Washington feeds its insatiable Trump/Russia-collusion jones, Americans are going broke in the process. Mere witnesses before congressional oversight panels, Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s inquiry, and the grand jury he has convened endure ginormous legal bills. Although they are not suspected of wrongdoing, their expenses can be crippling. In contrast, federal sleuths enjoy virtually infinite resources. And if Uncle Sam’s lawyers ever run out of money, unlike their private counterparts, they can get the Treasury to print more.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/trump-russia-probe-michael-caputo-witness-faces-financial-ruin/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/trump-russia-probe-michael-caputo-witness-faces-financial-ruin/)
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Yeah - your ten year old girl ‘leave me alone!’ schtick really got to me. :silly:
Whatever you say, boss. Never seen a fellow get so steamed so quickly when he's been accurately called out.
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The solution is loser pays. Even when the loser is government.
That’s what the Brits do, though I’m not sure if it applies to government cases.
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The solution is looser pays. Even when the looser is government.
That doesn't help the little guy from the get-go. Only 'after'. Not....good... enough. It still translates to a massive dose of injustice to the innocent party. And these bogus process crimes via perjury (like with Flynn) need to be reigned in unless there is clear evidence of wrongdoing.. And hey... going on two years later, we STILL have seen no evidence of wrong-doing re: Russian collusion by Trump... have we?
This is such a high-profile, highly politicized case.... the higher authority here (Sessions) 'should have' stepped in and ended it. But he didn't and won't, since he too has been compromised (just my opinion).
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Mueller is destroying people who have zero guilt associated with the witch hunt. It's one of those disgraces that will be a blight on the enablers for many decades to come:
While Washington feeds its insatiable Trump/Russia-collusion jones, Americans are going broke in the process. Mere witnesses before congressional oversight panels, Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s inquiry, and the grand jury he has convened endure ginormous legal bills. Although they are not suspected of wrongdoing, their expenses can be crippling. In contrast, federal sleuths enjoy virtually infinite resources. And if Uncle Sam’s lawyers ever run out of money, unlike their private counterparts, they can get the Treasury to print more.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/trump-russia-probe-michael-caputo-witness-faces-financial-ruin/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/trump-russia-probe-michael-caputo-witness-faces-financial-ruin/)
With high approval. It's fortunate people can never keep the mask for long.
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Whatever you say, boss. Never seen a fellow get so steamed so quickly when he's been accurately called out.
I’m not surprised that’s your conclusion. You read that as well as you read Ellis.
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With high approval. It's fortunate people can never keep the mask for long.
Actually Mueller's approval ratings are on a slow but steady down tick. As more and more of the truth comes out that downward slide will continue.
Though again, that's cold comfort to innocent parties who are already ruined. Idk how Sessions sleeps at night. Ultimately, it's all on him.
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The pigeon has finished kicking over the Chess pieces and is now doing the doing the next predictable thing before strutting off.
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Mueller is destroying people who have zero guilt associated with the witch hunt. It's one of those disgraces that will be a blight on the enablers for many decades to come:
While Washington feeds its insatiable Trump/Russia-collusion jones, Americans are going broke in the process. Mere witnesses before congressional oversight panels, Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s inquiry, and the grand jury he has convened endure ginormous legal bills. Although they are not suspected of wrongdoing, their expenses can be crippling. In contrast, federal sleuths enjoy virtually infinite resources. And if Uncle Sam’s lawyers ever run out of money, unlike their private counterparts, they can get the Treasury to print more.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/trump-russia-probe-michael-caputo-witness-faces-financial-ruin/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/04/trump-russia-probe-michael-caputo-witness-faces-financial-ruin/)
Except the subject of the article, Michael Caputo, isn’t destroyed, as the link in post 64 states. For someone so anti-Putin, he was willing to take his money and set up PR for him years ago.
Caputo lived in Russia in the 1990s and later worked with Russian conglomerate Gazprom Media on a pro-Putin public relations campaign.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/31/which-trump-associates-are-being-investigated-by-congress-a-running-list/?utm_term=.f4b3e36f6226 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/31/which-trump-associates-are-being-investigated-by-congress-a-running-list/?utm_term=.f4b3e36f6226)
He was brought in as a witness to corroborate information and not charged with anything. His legal fees aren’t exclusive to the Mueller probe. He also hired representation for congressional hearings. He let them know that in his senate appearance.
"Your investigation and others into the allegations of Trump campaign collusion with Russia are costing my family a great deal of money -- more than $125,000 -- and making a visceral impact on my children," Caputo said in a prepared statement that he delivered at the end of the Senate interview, which was provided to CNN.
"Forget about all the death threats against my family. I want to know who cost us so much money, who crushed our kids, who forced us out of our home, all because you lost an election," he added, concluding with, "I want to know because God Damn you to Hell."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/politics/michael-caputo-mueller-investigator/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/politics/michael-caputo-mueller-investigator/index.html)
Now, as much as he’d like to blame democrats as sore losers responsible for the hearings, there would have been people subpoenaed by congress, regardless. Just ask Trey Gowdy.
"There is a Russia investigation without a dossier," Gowdy said in an interview that aired Sunday on CBS's "Face the Nation," days after he announced his decision not to seek re-election.
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"To the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower," Gowdy said. "The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/04/politics/trey-gowdy-memo/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/04/politics/trey-gowdy-memo/index.html)
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Basic common sense says a man with a 30+ year military career, with a six-figure retirement, who made a lot of money through lobbying, a book deal, speaking fees, consulting, and under reported $1.5M in income has more worth than you think.
Just because the hostile press isn't talking about something doesn't mean it's not true or didn't happen. For instance, Jennings vs Rodriguez was decided in February. It allowed the DOJ to indefinitely detain illegals, while hearings were pending. Despite that, Trump was spending this spring blaming inadequate border enforcement on catch and release. It was an obvious lie, since they were no longer bound by it, but you never heard about it. Few are likely even aware of the case or decision.
The 'tree falls in the woods' philosophy with Flynn doesn't fly. He was fired over a year ago. He entered into the plea deal 7 months ago. His former consultant service Flynn Intel Group has been dissolved. For some reason you don't see him working at McDonald's or holding a tin cup on the corner, despite these 'dire' circumstances.
Maybe, but that really implies that well, it's ok to prosecute you as long as we don't bleed you dry. You got $10M in the bank, a couple of Mil in legal and court fees ain't no big deal.
I have a big problem with that.
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Maybe, but that really implies that well, it's ok to prosecute you as long as we don't bleed you dry. You got $10M in the bank, a couple of Mil in legal and court fees ain't no big deal.
I have a big problem with that.
You’re going to hire representation based on your ability to afford it. If I needed a lawyer, he wouldn’t be in the same price range as a top DC firm. They didn’t stop prosecuting him based on money. He’s paying an attorney a lot of money to give him the best legal advice. After seeing what the prosecution had, a settlement was negotiated. Somehow, I get the impression that wasn’t a 100% Flynn decision.
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Except the subject of the article, Michael Caputo, isn’t destroyed, as the link in post 64 states. For someone so anti-Putin, he was willing to take his money and set up PR for him years ago.
Caputo lived in Russia in the 1990s and later worked with Russian conglomerate Gazprom Media on a pro-Putin public relations campaign.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/31/which-trump-associates-are-being-investigated-by-congress-a-running-list/?utm_term=.f4b3e36f6226 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/31/which-trump-associates-are-being-investigated-by-congress-a-running-list/?utm_term=.f4b3e36f6226)
He was brought in as a witness to corroborate information and not charged with anything. His legal fees aren’t exclusive to the Mueller probe. He also hired representation for congressional hearings. He let them know that in his senate appearance.
"Your investigation and others into the allegations of Trump campaign collusion with Russia are costing my family a great deal of money -- more than $125,000 -- and making a visceral impact on my children," Caputo said in a prepared statement that he delivered at the end of the Senate interview, which was provided to CNN.
"Forget about all the death threats against my family. I want to know who cost us so much money, who crushed our kids, who forced us out of our home, all because you lost an election," he added, concluding with, "I want to know because God Damn you to Hell."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/politics/michael-caputo-mueller-investigator/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/politics/michael-caputo-mueller-investigator/index.html)
Now, as much as he’d like to blame democrats as sore losers responsible for the hearings, there would have been people subpoenaed by congress, regardless. Just ask Trey Gowdy.
"There is a Russia investigation without a dossier," Gowdy said in an interview that aired Sunday on CBS's "Face the Nation," days after he announced his decision not to seek re-election.
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"To the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower," Gowdy said. "The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/04/politics/trey-gowdy-memo/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/04/politics/trey-gowdy-memo/index.html)
Caputo was far from the only subject of the article, as my excerpt demonstrated. Mueller's path of destruction is cutting a wide swath. Anyone who suggests there are only one or two people being financially stressed--in many cases ruined--needs to dig deeper.
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You’re going to hire representation based on your ability to afford it. If I needed a lawyer, he wouldn’t be in the same price range as a top DC firm. They didn’t stop prosecuting him based on money. He’s paying an attorney a lot of money to give him the best legal advice. After seeing what the prosecution had, a settlement was negotiated. Somehow, I get the impression that wasn’t a 100% Flynn decision.
But it implies the prosecution bleeding a defendant dry is ok. They don't have to convict them, just outlast them to get a plea deal.
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But it implies the prosecution bleeding a defendant dry is ok. They don't have to convict them, just outlast them to get a plea deal.
It far more than implies it...That is a stunning endorsement of the practice. It's revolting.
I've heard over the past few years talk of a "Trump cult." I don't buy that much, as it relates to some individuals, but there's a Mueller Cult too.
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But it implies the prosecution bleeding a defendant dry is ok. They don't have to convict them, just outlast them to get a plea deal.
It also can imply the top flight legal defense advised him the deal would be his best option, in light of the charges and evidence.
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It also can imply the top flight legal defense advised him the deal would be his best option, in light of the charges and evidence.
You assume something not in evidence. It could also have been the fact that the attorney knew that the govt could drag it out long enough that Flynn WOULD be bankrupt whether found innocent or guilty.
Most would take the hammer to the hand over the hemlock.
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It far more than implies it...That is a stunning endorsement of the practice. It's revolting.
I've heard over the past few years talk of a "Trump cult." I don't buy that much, as it relates to some individuals, but there's a Mueller Cult too.
More like a Cabal. And Mueller is just a pawn in that system of corruption.
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You assume something not in evidence. It could also have been the fact that the attorney knew that the govt could drag it out long enough that Flynn WOULD be bankrupt whether found innocent or guilty.
Most would take the hammer to the hand over the hemlock.
Manafort is still fighting his case in two districts. He's facing a lot more legal jeopardy and costs than Flynn was.
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More like a Cabal. And Mueller is just a pawn in that system of corruption.
I think the Mueller worship is breathtaking, and nauseating at the same time...I once thought it was just a corollary of Trump-hate. Maybe it is, I don't know. :shrug: People don't deserve worship, only the Father and Son do.
It leads to the same kind of idiotic assumptions that get made at the other end of the spectrum. People who don't know Shinola about others start spouting off like they know people better than they themselves know.
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I think the Mueller worship is breathtaking, and nauseating at the same time.
On this one, I'd have to say more nauseating than breathtaking. The facts about Mueller's dirty, corrupt past are extremely accessible. Fifteen minutes worth of research would suffice in most cases. I can see Leftists loving the guy; he's cut perfectly from their ideal of post-modern morals and self-centered values. How any conservative can fail to see the truly repulsive nature of his dark side is beyond me.
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I think the Mueller worship is breathtaking, and nauseating at the same time...I once thought it was just a corollary of Trump-hate. Maybe it is, I don't know. :shrug: People don't deserve worship, only the Father and Son do.
It leads to the same kind of idiotic assumptions that get made at the other end of the spectrum. People who don't know Shinola about others start spouting off like they know people better than they themselves know.
BTW speaking of Mueller I thought this was interesting.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395123-legal-experts-say-mueller-team-likely-gained-secret-access-to-nra-tax (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395123-legal-experts-say-mueller-team-likely-gained-secret-access-to-nra-tax)
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BTW speaking of Mueller I thought this was interesting.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395123-legal-experts-say-mueller-team-likely-gained-secret-access-to-nra-tax (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395123-legal-experts-say-mueller-team-likely-gained-secret-access-to-nra-tax)
Any old tool will do, eh? It's easy for someone who threw away his scruples decades ago.
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Any old tool will do, eh? It's easy for someone who threw away his scruples decades ago.
He's probing 2500 donations now.
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I read that as $2,500 worth of donations. What's that, one, two people?
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BTW speaking of Mueller I thought this was interesting.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395123-legal-experts-say-mueller-team-likely-gained-secret-access-to-nra-tax (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395123-legal-experts-say-mueller-team-likely-gained-secret-access-to-nra-tax)
Non-profit tax info are available online to anyone:
http://990finder.foundationcenter.org/990results.aspx?990_type=&fn=NRA&st=&zp=&ei=&fy=&action=Search (http://990finder.foundationcenter.org/990results.aspx?990_type=&fn=NRA&st=&zp=&ei=&fy=&action=Search)