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Title: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: mystery-ak on January 30, 2014, 09:45:59 pm
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=F20D4C32-9DB3-F1B4-E55EBDB526E35E40 (http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=F20D4C32-9DB3-F1B4-E55EBDB526E35E40)

 GOP immigration principles support legalization
By: Seung Min Kim and Jake Sherman
January 30, 2014 04:15 PM EST

CAMBRIDGE, Md. — The House Republican immigration principles stress that undocumented immigrants will be allowed to live in the United States “legally and without fear” as long as they meet a series of requirements, according to a draft of the document set to to be released Thursday.

It stresses that those immigrants will not have access to a so-called special pathway to citizenship, meaning a new path that’s not accessible to other immigrants using the current system, according to the document, obtained by POLITICO from several sources.

“These persons could live legally and without fear in the U.S., but only if they were willing to admit their culpability, pass rigorous background checks, pay significant fines and back taxes, develop proficiency in English and American civics, and be able to support themselves and their families (without access to public benefits),” the document reads.



It states that “criminal aliens, gang members, and sex offenders and those who do not meet the above requirements” won’t qualify for legalization.

“Finally, none of this can happen before specific enforcement triggers have been implemented to fulfill our promise to the American people that from here on, our immigration laws will indeed be enforced,” the document says.

Republicans discussed immigration reform at their retreat here on Thursday as they try to forge a path forward on the issue. Even discussing the idea of legalization is a major shift for House Republicans, many of whom have decried such a move as “amnesty.”

The document also calls for “an opportunity for legal residence and citizenship for those who were brought to this country as children through no fault of their own.”



The one-page principles has been one of the most hotly-anticipated documents in recent memory, as House Republicans try to forge a way forward on immigration reform.

The preamble in the document stresses several points in favor of an overhaul of the nation’s immigration laws such as economic interests and bolstering national security.

As expected, it also says that the House will not head to conference negotiations with the Senate’s comprehensive legislation, which was passed last June.

There are several subsections in the list of principles. They are: “Border Security and Interior Enforcement Must Come First,” “Implement Entry-Exit Visa Tracking System,” “Employment Verification and Workplace Enforcement,” “Reforms to the Legal Immigration System,” “Youth” and “Individuals Living Outside the Rule of Law.”
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: olde north church on January 30, 2014, 09:47:30 pm
Huckleberry just told Eric Bolling immigration shouldn't even be a consideration at this time.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on January 30, 2014, 10:27:43 pm
The UK is starting to wake up to the costs to their citizens of immigrants coming in to use the welfare state for the benefit....  you would think someone would take heed here.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=128208.new#new
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: raml on January 30, 2014, 10:45:25 pm
I don't believe most politicians care about what it will cost United States citizens. The only pockets they care about is filling their own so why would they care what making illegals legal would cost this country. They steal as much of taxpayers money as they can also so we the people get the finger from most politicians these days. All I can say is thank goodness for men like Mike Lee Rand Paul and Ted Cruz and a very few others. They are our only hope.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on January 30, 2014, 10:47:49 pm
I don't believe most politicians care about what it will cost United States citizens. The only pockets they care about is filling their own so why would they care what making illegals legal would cost this country. They steal as much of taxpayers money as they can also so we the people get the finger from most politicians these days. All I can say is thank goodness for men like Mike Lee Rand Paul and Ted Cruz and a very few others. They are our only hope.

Total agreement....
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: aligncare on January 30, 2014, 10:51:16 pm
Here we go again.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on January 30, 2014, 10:53:52 pm
Here we go again.

Yep and it's getting old........  us against them really wears you down and this is what the Chamber Republicans are counting on.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: mystery-ak on January 30, 2014, 11:16:24 pm
I need to resign myself to the fact we won't get the Senate and may lose the House....Boehner needs to go!..I swear they don't want to win either House...
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on January 30, 2014, 11:25:23 pm
I need to resign myself to the fact we won't get the Senate and may lose the House....Boehner needs to go!..I swear they don't want to win either House...

All they want to do is line their pockets.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: olde north church on January 30, 2014, 11:39:40 pm
Yep and it's getting old........  us against them really wears you down and this is what the Chamber Republicans are counting on.

Start releasing the photos of the guys holding their pickle chugging and fudge packing games
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Atomic Cow on January 30, 2014, 11:40:37 pm
I need to resign myself to the fact we won't get the Senate and may lose the House....Boehner needs to go!..I swear they don't want to win either House...

Republicans like being in the minority because it means more $ to their coffers.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: katzenjammer on January 30, 2014, 11:43:34 pm
I don't believe most politicians care about what it will cost United States citizens. The only pockets they care about is filling their own so why would they care what making illegals legal would cost this country. They steal as much of taxpayers money as they can also so we the people get the finger from most politicians these days. All I can say is thank goodness for men like Mike Lee Rand Paul and Ted Cruz and a very few others. They are our only hope.

Yup, pretty much....
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Bigun on January 31, 2014, 12:27:43 am
All they want to do is line their pockets.

All they want is to appease their masters! The guys who finance their campaigns!
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on January 31, 2014, 12:29:54 am
They need to call it  "The Chamber of Commerce Protection and Affordable Lawn Care Act of 2014," AKA BoehnerCare.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on January 31, 2014, 03:33:56 am
http://www.redstate.com/2014/01/08/the-gop-open-borders-train-revs-up-its-engine/

The GOP Open Borders Train Revs Up its Engine

By: Daniel Horowitz (Diary)  |  January 8th, 2014 at 12:48 PM 

For those of you who thought that our previous warnings about an amnesty push in the near-term were overblown, today’s developments should serve as a wakeup call.  In what was clearly a coordinated effort by the establishment, Speaker Boehner and Majority Leader Cantor issued a call for passing immigration legislation this year during their weekly conference meeting at the same time Chamber of Commerce President Tom Donohue made an emphatic pitch for amnesty.

Boehner and Cantor

   
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House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio) and Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R., Va.) both included an immigration rewrite among the top 2014 priorities they outlined during a closed-door meeting with the GOP ranks, lawmakers said after the gathering.

    Mr. Boehner told Republicans on Wednesday that he expected to release a set of GOP principles in the coming weeks. The speaker had announced in November that Republicans, including House Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R., Va.), planned to draft the guidelines before bringing any immigration bills to the House floor.

    Although many House Republicans have been wary of changing immigration laws, GOP leaders have consistently maintained they plan to tackle the topic in their own fashion.

    Mr. Boehner told lawmakers Wednesday that “‘This is an issue we have to deal with and I continue to believe that,’” said Rep. Matt Salmon (R., Ariz.). [WSJ]

Donohue

   
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The president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce vowed Wednesday that 2014 will be the year his organization pulls “out all of the stops” to pass immigration reform, pledging that the Chamber will turn the 2014 midterm elections “into a motivation for change.”

    “We’re determined to make 2014 the year that immigration reform is finally enacted,” Donohue said at his 2014 State of American Business address. “The Chamber will pull out all the stops – through grassroots lobbying, communications, politics and partnerships with unions, faith organization, law enforcement and other – to get it done.”

    Donohue refuted the idea that immigration reform would not pass in 2014, a midterm election year when very little, if anything, gets done on Capitol Hill.

    “We hope to turn that assumption on its ear,” he said. “It’s based on a simple theory: If you can’t make them see the light, then at least make them feel some heat.” [CNN]
We’ve made this point a number of times, but it’s worth repeating.  Why would Republicans be in a hell-fire rush to pass immigration legislation when they have so little political power?  These are the same folks who suggest that we can’t even block bad things with control of just the U.S. House, even though the House is vested with control over the purse strings.  Why would they think we can pass new immigration legislation built on conservative principles if it requires the cooperation of all three branches?  Why in the world would Republicans reward Obama’s malevolence and disregard for our immigration laws by granting him his biggest second-term agenda item? Why not wait until Republicans control the White House, and we can trust the president to faithfully execute the enforcement first, thereby precluding another 1986-style disaster?

Moreover, why would we distract attention from Obamacare and dispirit Republican voters in an election year?


These are all rhetorical questions. As we know, the GOP elites and their special interest backers do not share our values.  They agree with Obama 100% on open borders.

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And speaking of the special interests, the Chamber is promising to reward those who support their views and punish those who oppose amnesty.  Accordingly, in light of their large media buy in support of Senator McConnell, has anyone asked the Minority Leader about his plans for immigration?  Will he support the push in 2014?

Furthermore, McConnell’s biggest selling point for his reelection is that he would be slated to become Majority Leader of the Senate.  The most important consequence of obtaining that position is that he would control the floor schedule.  And thanks to Harry Reid’s new precedent, that would include control over the amendment process.  Will McConnell pledge not to bring any immigration legislation or amendments to the floor as long as Obama is in the White House?

We all know the answer to that question.  The tribe has already spoken.  The fix is already in.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on January 31, 2014, 04:13:19 am
There has long been a saying as go California so goes the nation.  So.....in that reagard let's take a little look back in history at California... Until the Simson-Mazzoli amnesty of 1986 California normally went Republican in it's elections - especially Presidential elections.  In addition, the Republican Party held the California state house for 72 years.   Today, post the 1986 Amnesty, California is as blue as blue can be and the California Republican Party is deader than a door nail.

Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Fishrrman on January 31, 2014, 04:19:19 am
Some years ago, an excellent book was published, "The Suicide Of The West".

If the Pubbies let "immigration reform" (which is of course nothing more than a euphemism for "amnesty") pass, 2014 may be remembered as the year the Republican party committed political suicide...

What will take their place?
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on January 31, 2014, 07:56:49 am
I need to resign myself to the fact we won't get the Senate and may lose the House....Boehner needs to go!..I swear they don't want to win either House...
I was first attracted to conservatism by its unbridled optimism for the American spirit.

"I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still."  - Reagan's farewell address
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: olde north church on January 31, 2014, 10:39:42 am
just have to make it impractical, expensive and dangerous (politically) for them to even think of such policies.  many on our side are unwilling to vote third party (better message than not voting at all) and continue to subsidize the campaigns of substandard pols.
camping out in front of reps/sens local offices doesn't hurt.  shopper's news and local coverage go a long way, a longer way than national coverage in chipping away at approval ratings.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: MBB1984 on January 31, 2014, 02:08:57 pm
[quote It states that “criminal aliens, gang members, and sex offenders and those who do not meet the above requirements” won’t qualify for legalization.[/quote]

Amnesty will attract even more criminals here illegally than we can imagine.  Ann Coulter is right, the GOP is on a suicide march.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: katzenjammer on January 31, 2014, 02:37:36 pm
There has long been a saying as go California so goes the nation.  So.....in that reagard let's take a little look back in history at California... Until the Simson-Mazzoli amnesty of 1986 California normally went Republican in it's elections - especially Presidential elections.  In addition, the Republican Party held the California state house for 72 years.   Today, post the 1986 Amnesty, California is as blue as blue can be and the California Republican Party is deader than a door nail.

So very true.  Sad and disgusting, but nonetheless true....
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Bigun on January 31, 2014, 02:45:18 pm
[quote It states that “criminal aliens, gang members, and sex offenders and those who do not meet the above requirements” won’t qualify for legalization.

Amnesty will attract even more criminals here illegally than we can imagine.  Ann Coulter is right, the GOP is on a suicide march.

Someone should point out tho these idiots that the fact that they are here illegally, in and of itself, makes them felons!
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: aligncare on January 31, 2014, 08:54:08 pm
I was first attracted to conservatism by its unbridled optimism for the American spirit.

"I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still."  - Reagan's farewell address

Noble sentiment from a superlative orator. Look beneath the surface. ".. people of all kinds who believe the same things living in harmony and peace; ..." 

The folks coming here are criminal trespassers. They do not share our history of republican governance nor our common heritage. They're simply looking to escape economic hardship. Which, I understand and sympathize with. However, I can barely afford to feed myself much less the rest of the world. The strain on government services will be prohibitive.

Look, I'm in a foul mood right now; I just wrote some checks for business taxes. Shocking, simply shocking how I'm being gouged, and with no relief in sight!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: truth_seeker on January 31, 2014, 09:09:42 pm
There has long been a saying as go California so goes the nation.  So.....in that reagard let's take a little look back in history at California... Until the Simson-Mazzoli amnesty of 1986 California normally went Republican in it's elections - especially Presidential elections.  In addition, the Republican Party held the California state house for 72 years.   Today, post the 1986 Amnesty, California is as blue as blue can be and the California Republican Party is deader than a door nail.
Try this. Ten cities with lowest crime in America. You'll like that Scottsdale AZ is on it.

But you will not like that 5 of the 10 are in California.

http://www.areavibes.com/library/10-cities-lowest-crime/

This criteria is places over 200,000. Years back, with a lower population criteria, Irvine CA and Huntington Beach CA went back and forth, for lowest crime rankings.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on January 31, 2014, 09:11:51 pm
Try this. Ten cities with lowest crime in America. You'll like that Scottsdale AZ is on it.

But you will not like that 5 of the 10 are in California.

http://www.areavibes.com/library/10-cities-lowest-crime/

This criteria is places over 200,000. Years back, with a lower population criteria, Irvine CA and Huntington Beach CA went back and forth, for lowest crime rankings.

and this has what to do with amnesty?  and I am more than familiar with Irvine having lived AND worked there... but your post has absolutely nothing to do with the subject - as usual.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: MBB1984 on January 31, 2014, 09:17:13 pm
Try this. Ten cities with lowest crime in America. You'll like that Scottsdale AZ is on it.

But you will not like that 5 of the 10 are in California.

http://www.areavibes.com/library/10-cities-lowest-crime/

This criteria is places over 200,000. Years back, with a lower population criteria, Irvine CA and Huntington Beach CA went back and forth, for lowest crime rankings.

There are some very affluent areas remaining in California, and they have low crime rates.  However, they are hardly representative of Mexifornia as a whole. 
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: truth_seeker on January 31, 2014, 09:26:09 pm
and this has what to do with amnesty?  and I am more than familiar with Irvine having lived AND worked there... but your post has absolutely nothing to do with the subject - as usual.
It has everything to do with it, since you are suggesting California is already down the toilet with too many Hispanics in our midst, and the rest of the country is headed there, too.

Having lived and worked and been familiar with Irvine CA, you KNOW (or should know) it is not down the toilet, too.

You think posts are not relevant to topics, if you disagree with them.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: truth_seeker on January 31, 2014, 09:35:25 pm
There are some very affluent areas remaining in California, and they have low crime rates.  However, they are hardly representative of Mexifornia as a whole.
"Mexifornia as a whole.."

You think such language is good for the future of the conservative movement?
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on January 31, 2014, 09:57:19 pm
It has everything to do with it, since you are suggesting California is already down the toilet with too many Hispanics in our midst, and the rest of the country is headed there, too.

Having lived and worked and been familiar with Irvine CA, you KNOW (or should know) it is not down the toilet, too.

You think posts are not relevant to topics, if you disagree with them.

Are you denying that for 72 years California voted for Republicans and now the Republican party requires a search party to find the members in the state legislature and senate and they no longer vote Republican for President  - nor are they likely to do so again in our lifetime and that is all taken place since 1986 and Simpson_Mazoli?   Schwartzeneger claimed to be a Republican, but he turned out to be nothing more than a very progressive green energy guy.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: aligncare on February 01, 2014, 04:28:29 am
Mexico always said they wanted their land back. Son of a gun, if they haven't done it through the ballot box. Not a shot fired.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on February 01, 2014, 04:30:29 am
Mexico always said they wanted their land back. Son of a gun, if they haven't done it through the ballot box. Not a shot fired.

A large swath of land in SW Arizona is posted off-limits - not because it is Federal land, but because it has pretty much been taken over by smugglers and drug traffickers and is unsafe for American citizens.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: aligncare on February 01, 2014, 04:40:16 am
I realize that makes me sound xenophobic. But I'm not. I love the Mexican culture.

But, you see, Mexicans that are here illegally are not exactly coming here waving Red, White and Blue flags hopped up on becoming Americans. They came for the easy access to work. That's a different type of immigrant then those in the world that have traditionally come here legally.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on February 01, 2014, 04:42:36 am
I realize that makes me sound xenophobic. But I'm not. I love the Mexican culture.

But, you see, Mexicans that are here illegally are not exactly coming here waving Red, White and Blue flags hopped up on becoming Americans. They came for the easy access to work. That's a different type of immigrant then those in the world that have traditionally come here legally.


Same here, AC.  My best friend was born in Mexico, her family came here legally.  All speak English, assimilated, went to college, have successful careers or businesses and her parents are amazing people, I adore her father, such a gentleman... but the key here is a) came here legally, b) learned and speak English, c) got educated and the bad part d) they all voted for Obama.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: aligncare on February 01, 2014, 04:58:03 am

Same here, AC.  My best friend was born in Mexico, her family came here legally.  All speak English, assimilated, went to college, have successful careers or businesses and her parents are amazing people, I adore her father, such a gentleman... but the key here is a) came here legally, b) learned and speak English, c) got educated and the bad part d) they all voted for Obama.

Yep. As Ann Coulter points out in surveys, a high percentage will vote Democrat. We're losing our Constitution. That's a likely outcome that's closely tied to the immigration issue. That should concern all of us that love liberty and despise communism. We're losing our country for our children.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on February 01, 2014, 05:00:36 am
Yep. As Ann Coulter points out in surveys, a high percentage will vote Democrat. We're losing our Constitution. That's a likely outcome that's closely tied to the immigration issue. That should concern all of us that love liberty and despise communism. We're losing our country for our children.

Yep...   
 
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Oceander on February 01, 2014, 05:23:32 am
I realize that makes me sound xenophobic. But I'm not. I love the Mexican culture.

But, you see, Mexicans that are here illegally are not exactly coming here waving Red, White and Blue flags hopped up on becoming Americans. They came for the easy access to work. That's a different type of immigrant then those in the world that have traditionally come here legally.

I beg to differ.  I've talked to any number of cab drivers - most from various countries in Africa - who came here because they could get good work and make a good life for themselves based on their own hard work.  They weren't particularly interested in becoming American in so many words - they were waving green, not red white and blue - but they were American in spirit: determined to make a better life for themselves and their families through their own hard work.

Most illegals come here for similar reasons:  to earn money they can't earn where they were raised in order to support their families; very few come here with the goal of becoming welfare queens.

But here's the rub:  draconian immigration laws don't stop them from coming, they simply drive them into the shadows, where they fall prey to liberals, and, quite honestly, it's not a mere matter of duplicity; in the public perception the alternative to the democrats/liberals and their feigned solicitousness is the republicans and their apparent hatred of hispanics, which - so the perception goes - extends not just to illegals, but to all hispanics generally.  Given those choices, whom would you choose to support if you were in their shoes?

So, you can choose the easy, emotionally satisfying path of enacting make-believe "seal the border" immigration laws that will not work, but that will make life a lot more uncomfortable for legal hispanics who happen to become suspected of being illegal, and for employers who are suspected of hiring or harboring illegals, and which most importantly will continue to drive hispanics, legal as well as illegal, into the waiting arms of democrats/liberals, or you can choose the much harder route of enacting rational immigration reform that - like judo - doesn't attempt to stop the river from flowing, but directs the flow of the river so that we know who's coming in, why, where they're going, what they're doing, and, most importantly, whether they've engaged in criminal activity, on a constantly updated basis.  It would also clearly foreclose the possibility of permanent residency and/or naturalization without such an individual applying for immigrant status and going through the entire greencard/naturalization process, just like any other potential immigrant.  And yes, since, like Jimi in all along the watchtower, we're no longer speaking falsely, this will be difficult because at least initially these new entrants will favor the democrats/liberals politically because that is where the current political momentum is, which means that we have to accept that we will initially be providing the democrats/liberals with a potentially larger voter base.  However, since these folks would now be legal, and could therefore come out of the shadows - and off the democrat/liberal plantation - that is, to actually have the opportunity to become Americans in substance - like the cab drivers I described above - which will result in many of them leaving the false promises of the democrats/liberals.

Are there risks?  Of course.  But there are risks either way, but keeping illegal immigrants confined to the shadows, and thus to the democrat/liberal plantation carries substantially greater risks than bringing them out of the shadows and streamlining the immigration process so that we will at least know who they are and what they're doing while they're here.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on February 01, 2014, 11:17:14 pm
I realize that makes me sound xenophobic. But I'm not. I love the Mexican culture.

It never crossed my mind Aligncare.

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But, you see, Mexicans that are here illegally are not exactly coming here waving Red, White and Blue flags hopped up on becoming Americans.

You'd be suprised.  Many of them are very happy in America and want to stay.

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They came for the easy access to work.

Well we could agree on "easier access to work."

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That's a different type of immigrant then those in the world that have traditionally come here legally.

Really.  In the early 1900's The polacks invaded WI.  They came without papers to work the mines and saw mills and stayed in their own little Poland communities.  Many never learning English except a few phrases.  Their children learned English in their community school.  How are the Mexicans different?
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Oceander on February 01, 2014, 11:19:36 pm
It never crossed my mind Aligncare.

You'd be suprised.  Many of them are very happy in America and want to stay.

Well we could agree on "easier access to work."

Really.  In the early 1900's The polacks invaded WI.  They came without papers to work the mines and saw mills and stayed in their own little Poland communities.  Many never learning English except a few phrases.  Their children learned English in their community school.  How are the Mexicans different?

You and I rarely agree on much of anything, but on these points we are in complete agreement.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on February 01, 2014, 11:41:31 pm
The "Pollacks" were not here illegally.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: katzenjammer on February 02, 2014, 01:21:21 am
The "Pollacks" were not here illegally.

Yeah, seriously.  How about the wetbacks, spics, micks, chinks, dagos, ukies, hinies??

 :silly:
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: truth_seeker on February 02, 2014, 02:40:49 am
I've been thinking about this topic for years, and have not found the relevant "rules and regulations" for legal immigration prior to 1892, Ellis Island.

All my ancestors came well before that time. All of my wife's came after that time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on February 02, 2014, 04:33:50 am
You and I rarely agree on much of anything, but on these points we are in complete agreement.

I think we agree on much.  Except agreeing on how much we agree on stuff.  Your post above was so good and so right that I'll probably quote it or steal it.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on February 02, 2014, 04:40:56 am
The "Pollacks" were not here illegally.
Neither were the slaves.  If the problem with illegals is only the change of immigration laws then the simple solution is to change the law.

There is no cultural difference between the people who live in little Mexico cities and the people who lived in little China or little Italy through out our history.

The GOPe intends to change the law and soon the ilegals will not be illegal. 
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on February 02, 2014, 04:51:53 am
Catch-22 also catch-22  - Noun

: a difficult situation for which there is no easy or possible solution

1 :  a problematic situation for which the only solution is denied by a circumstance inherent in the problem or by a rule <the show-business catch–22—no work unless you have an agent, no agent unless you've worked — Mary Murphy>; also :  the circumstance or rule that denies a solution

2
a :  an illogical, unreasonable, or senseless situation
b :  a measure or policy whose effect is the opposite of what was intended
c :  a situation presenting two equally undesirable alternatives

3
:  a hidden difficulty or means of entrapment

Merriam-Webster

There is no upside to this debate for the GOP, which is why it's brought up during election cycles.

The desired outcome for the DNC this cycle is simple:

(http://thelastofthemillenniums.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/turn-texas-blue1.jpg)

Immigration "reform" is how they do it.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: aligncare on February 02, 2014, 01:13:43 pm
My parents came to the US in 1956 with me in tow. Mom's family came here either before us or after us, but all came legally.

We lived in an Italian neighborhood in Brooklyn. My neighborhood friends' families were documented.

I guess I have a "distorted" view of what it means to be an immigrant.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Lipstick on a Hillary on February 02, 2014, 01:43:14 pm
and this has what to do with amnesty?  and I am more than familiar with Irvine having lived AND worked there... but your post has absolutely nothing to do with the subject - as usual.

Agree.   I can't remember the last time someone here associated Mexican increased illegal immigration with crime rates.   :wtf:
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: truth_seeker on February 02, 2014, 09:43:33 pm
My parents came to the US in 1956 with me in tow. Mom's family came here either before us or after us, but all came legally.

We lived in an Italian neighborhood in Brooklyn. My neighborhood friends' families were documented.

I guess I have a "distorted" view of what it means to be an immigrant.
My wife's mother from Italy came here with an arranged marriage to a native born American citizen, in 1946-47. He was born in Los Angeles to Italian immigrants that came here separately and married.

My mother in law's brother, came to North America, entered the US on tourist visas to see his sister, met a woman, and eventually found a way to enter and stay, legally. During his time, he went to Mexico, to Venezuela, and eventually learned that if he went to Cuba, he could enter the US and stay, legally.

He married the woman, who became a doctor, and lived out their days, as proud American citizens.

He was trained as a lawyer in Italy. BTW why did he want to leave Italy? Because he was drafted into the Italian army, taken POW, escaped. 
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on February 02, 2014, 10:23:03 pm
Quote
He was trained as a lawyer in Italy. BTW why did he want to leave Italy? Because he was drafted into the Italian army, taken POW, escaped. 

Big difference between this and Mexicans sneaking across our border to have a anchor baby and collect welfare benefits and work as servant for cash under the table.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on February 02, 2014, 11:55:35 pm
My wife's mother from Italy came here with an arranged marriage to a native born American citizen, in 1946-47. He was born in Los Angeles to Italian immigrants that came here separately and married.

My mother in law's brother, came to North America, entered the US on tourist visas to see his sister, met a woman, and eventually found a way to enter and stay, legally. During his time, he went to Mexico, to Venezuela, and eventually learned that if he went to Cuba, he could enter the US and stay, legally.

He married the woman, who became a doctor, and lived out their days, as proud American citizens.

He was trained as a lawyer in Italy. BTW why did he want to leave Italy? Because he was drafted into the Italian army, taken POW, escaped.
Thank goodness your family found the loopholes in the immigration laws of the time.  No doubt the rich culture of your family has enhanced the way you color your reality, and one of the reasons why I find your posts so solidly balancing logic and humanity.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Lipstick on a Hillary on February 03, 2014, 12:06:38 am
While you're fawning over his logic, ask him what city crime rates have to do with amnesty.

Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on February 03, 2014, 12:53:37 am
While you're fawning over his logic, ask him what city crime rates have to do with amnesty.
I know why he mentioned crime rates.  It is not my job to educate you.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Lipstick on a Hillary on February 03, 2014, 01:01:58 am
Why am I not surprised?   :silly:
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on February 03, 2014, 01:33:18 am
Why am I not surprised?   :silly:
synaptic resistance.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: truth_seeker on February 03, 2014, 05:40:32 am
Big difference between this and Mexicans sneaking across our border to have a anchor baby and collect welfare benefits and work as servant for cash under the table.
I heard his full story for the first time when his son in law spoke at his memorial service. It was about the man's pride to be an American, who did it the legal way.

Back in Italy he was not from a privileged family, but rather was the eldest and only male of three children who's parents died young. the three were raised by relatives.

His younger sister, my mother in law came to America for marriage. He came to visit her, met a young Italian woman studying medicine. They married, and lived above a liquor store while she finished school, internship and residency, and he worked.

Although he had studied law in Italy, it would be like starting over in the US, and he needed to work so his wife could complete her medical training. He later became a real estate broker, to manage investments possible because of her income. When she became chief of anesthesiology at a Palm Springs hospital, they bought the desert home of Natalia Woods,  Robert Wagner.

They were very good to us. The sister that stayed in Italy married a veterinarian, had four boys, and the cousins from here keep in touch using Facebook. 
 
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: truth_seeker on February 03, 2014, 05:49:27 am
Big difference between this and Mexicans sneaking across our border to have a anchor baby and collect welfare benefits and work as servant for cash under the table.
Or Chinese, or Vietnamese, or Filipinos, or Russians, or Canadians.

The prosperity of America and western democracies in Europe, Canada, Australia are likewise magnets for immigration, legal and illegal.

My most recent immigrant ancestor came in 1871, before Ellis Island. I have no knowledge of the laws of the time, his "legality," etc. He was a scoundrel, though, of the "dumb swede" variety.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on February 03, 2014, 06:26:19 am
The Chinese were brought here to work on the railroads... one thing about the Chinese they are industrious people. When we were in Tahiti it was very interesting, on the outer islands the stores are all run by Chinese - while the Tahitians are very - very -  laid back and not very industrious.  The Chinese were originally brought to Tahiti in 1865 and 1866 to work what (used to be) a huge cotton field...  when the plantation work went away the Chinese learned trades... some left the Islands to return to China and never were able to assimilate back into the Chinese culture and returned to Polynesia.

Today it is extremely difficult for outsiders to spend any length of time in the islands, they tract their immigrants carefully - even the prolific boating community who love to travel there are tracked from island to island and have to check out by a certain date.
 
Here is some of their rules

It is difficult to get a work visa in French Polynesia. They let some French people work there, but it is difficult even for other EU members.

In any case, you must have a job lined up and a job contract before you can apply for a work visa in French Polynesia. Your employer must then forward a copy of your job contract to the Immigration Office in Nouméa or Papeete. Once a work permit is granted through this, you can apply for a work visa through a French embassy.

To apply for a work visa, you must submit the following:

1.       2 application forms, signed and completed

2.       2 recent passport photos

3.       Valid passport and two copies

4.       Original work permit granted by the local work department, and a copy

5.       Travel insurance

6.       Flight itinerary

7.       Pre-paid devices to mail back your passport

8.       Fees

It takes about 10 business days to process this application.
Student Visa

If you wish to study in French Polynesia for over 90 days, you are required to get a student short-stay visa. It has to be specifically for French Polynesia, not for France or for any of the other overseas territories.

You must submit the following documents to a French embassy:

1.       Passport and copy

2.       One application form

3.       Two passport photos

4.       Letter of acceptance from your school, confirmation of enrollment

5.       Proof of funds (last 2 bank statements)

6.       Travel itinerary

7.       Proof of medical insurance

8.       Proof of accommodation

9.       Pre-paid devices to mail back your passport

10.   Fees

+++++++++++++++++++++++++
No one is as easy on immigrants as the USA........
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: aligncare on February 03, 2014, 12:57:04 pm
Teddy Roosevelt:

Every immigrant who comes here should be required within five years to learn English or leave the country.

In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn’t doing his part as an American.

There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile.

We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, and American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding house; and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: MBB1984 on February 03, 2014, 01:30:30 pm
The primary problem with illegal immigration and even our legal immigration process is that it is not good for America.  The immigration process should be a positive benefit for America and all of its citizens.  Therefore, the immigration process should assist educated or wealthy individuals to our country, as that is good for America.

Instead, the legal and illegal immigration system we have permits millions of low income, uneducated peoples to enter, most often from inferior cultures, cultures that do not share traditional American values of honesty, education, law, or Christian civilization.  Since America is now a welfare state, this immigration system is a prescription for disaster.  While many may come to America to work, it is too easy now to for these individuals or their progeny to join the welfare class.  To this end, the system benefits certain businesses and the democrat party.  It benefits the immigrants.  But, overall, it is a plague on the rest of America.         
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Bigun on February 03, 2014, 02:54:33 pm
Or Chinese, or Vietnamese, or Filipinos, or Russians, or Canadians.

The prosperity of America and western democracies in Europe, Canada, Australia are likewise magnets for immigration, legal and illegal.

My most recent immigrant ancestor came in 1871, before Ellis Island. I have no knowledge of the laws of the time, his "legality," etc. He was a scoundrel, though, of the "dumb swede" variety.

Prior to that great year 1913 (the year in which we got the federal reserve, direct election of U.S. senators,  and the income tax) anyone who wanted to could get on a boat and come here. They we welcomed to come and make it in the land of opportunity but got nothing from the state to aid them in their efforts beyond that blessing! That's the difference!
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: aligncare on February 03, 2014, 03:52:47 pm
Prior to that great year 1913 (the year in which we got the federal reserve, direct election of U.S. senators,  and the income tax) anyone who wanted to could get on a boat and come here. They we welcomed to come and make it in the land of opportunity but got nothing from the state to aid them in their efforts beyond that blessing! That's the difference!

We've progressed. There is a new enlightenment in America. The inscription on the Statue of Liberty should be edited to read, "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to collect free government benefits ..."
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on February 03, 2014, 06:28:35 pm
Bigun and Ac...  :beer:
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on February 03, 2014, 06:30:28 pm
The primary problem with illegal immigration and even our legal immigration process is that it is not good for America.  The immigration process should be a positive benefit for America and all of its citizens.  Therefore, the immigration process should assist educated or wealthy individuals to our country, as that is good for America.

Instead, the legal and illegal immigration system we have permits millions of low income, uneducated peoples to enter, most often from inferior cultures, cultures that do not share traditional American values of honesty, education, law, or Christian civilization.  Since America is now a welfare state, this immigration system is a prescription for disaster.  While many may come to America to work, it is too easy now to for these individuals or their progeny to join the welfare class.  To this end, the system benefits certain businesses and the democrat party.  It benefits the immigrants.  But, overall, it is a plague on the rest of America.         


Right at the heart of the issue... we are not anti immigrants, just want people who cone here to add to our society, not take from it.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Bigun on February 03, 2014, 07:02:14 pm

Right at the heart of the issue... we are not anti immigrants, just want people who cone here to add to our society, not take from it.

Not a big fan of Teddy but he did get this right!

“There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americans... The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of it continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.”

 Theodore Roosevelt October 12, 1915
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Fishrrman on February 04, 2014, 03:01:36 am
Perhaps it's time to END immigration for a while -- ALL of it.

Time to hang out the "no vacancy" sign for a while, and let those here be assimilated, if that's even possible any more.

This place is full up for now. We don't need any more. Not even the legal ones.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on February 04, 2014, 03:03:17 am
Perhaps it's time to END immigration for a while -- ALL of it.

Time to hang out the "no vacancy" sign for a while, and let those here be assimilated, if that's even possible any more.

This place is full up for now. We don't need any more. Not even the legal ones.

Until we get a handle on who is here, I agree, Especially since we are sending way too many jobs offshore these days, which is contributing to our massive unemployment rate.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Luis Gonzalez on February 04, 2014, 03:57:08 am
We've progressed. There is a new enlightenment in America. The inscription on the Statue of Liberty should be edited to read, "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to collect free government benefits ..."

One could make a very strong case in support of the argument that we have an illegal immigration problem because we have a runaway entitlement problem.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on February 04, 2014, 03:59:51 am
One could make a very strong case in support of the argument that we have an illegal immigration problem because we have a runaway entitlement problem.

The two go hand in glove.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Oceander on February 04, 2014, 04:39:19 am
One could make a very strong case in support of the argument that we have an illegal immigration problem because we have a runaway entitlement problem.

I'm not so sure about that; how many poor peasants in Mexico sit around discussing whether they should pay thousands to a coyote to get them across the Rio Grande, just so they can start collecting welfare benefits in Illinois?

Do many of them get trapped in that system, and end up living off the entitlement system?  Probably.  Do they come here for that in the first place?  Probably not.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on February 04, 2014, 05:17:41 am
I'm not so sure about that; how many poor peasants in Mexico sit around discussing whether they should pay thousands to a coyote to get them across the Rio Grande, just so they can start collecting welfare benefits in Illinois?

Do many of them get trapped in that system, and end up living off the entitlement system?  Probably.  Do they come here for that in the first place?  Probably not.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/19/senator-says-food-stamp-partnership-with-mexico-pressuring-immigrants-to-enroll/

Senator says food stamp partnership with Mexico 'pressuring' immigrants to enroll
Published July 19, 2012
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The Mexican government has been distributing information about the U.S. food stamp program through its embassy and dozens of consular offices, a partnership that one Republican senator says is the latest example of an "aggressive" push to "expand enrollment regardless of need."

Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee, raised concerns about the program in a letter to Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack -- one week after he complained about a Spanish-language ad campaign encouraging residents to go on food stamps.

The USDA ended the campaign following criticism, but Sessions warned in his letter that the U.S.-Mexico partnership is a symptom of the same approach.

His concern -- that Mexican immigrants are being guided toward government assistance instead of "gainful employment."

"It has become increasingly clear that the mission of the food stamp program has moved from targeted welfare assistance for those in need into an aggressive drive to expand enrollment regardless of need," he wrote.

Both the Spanish-language ad campaign and the U.S.-Mexico partnership were launched under the George W. Bush administration. The partnership dates back to 2004 -- it was signed between then-Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman and Mexico's foreign affairs secretary at the time. The USDA says on its website that it is meant to "educate eligible Mexican nationals living in the United States about available nutrition assistance." To do that, Mexico distributes materials through its embassy and 50 consular offices.

The USDA stressed Thursday that consulates "within the United States" distribute the information about eligibility criteria, as some Mexican Americans and Mexican nationals might not know that information.

"Congress has directed USDA to perform outreach to eligible populations who may be in need of nutrition assistance to help reduce hunger in America," the department said in a statement Thursday. "To that end, the partnership with the Mexican embassy was established in 2004. USDA does not perform outreach to immigrants that are undocumented, and therefore not eligible for (the program)."

The USDA has made a special effort to target Hispanic families. According to the USDA, Hispanic households represent more than a quarter of eligible residents who don't enroll in the food stamp program.

Still, roughly 46 million people in America are on food stamps -- known officially as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program -- and Sessions has argued that the government should not be pressuring more people to enroll.

In his letter, he claimed the USDA has not responded to earlier requests for information about the U.S.-Mexico partnership and asked for a response "without delay." He asked whether the Mexican government was distributing materials on the U.S. program in its own borders, and asked for copies of the literature.

"It is a sound principle of immigration policy that those who come to America be able to take care of themselves financially," he wrote. "This 'partnership' and related consulate activity appears to assume that principle is no longer in effect."

He said the "compassionate policy" would be to help move people "from welfare to gainful employment" rather than "pressuring" them onto food stamps.

Sessions earlier raised this concern after reviewing a USDA radio ad miniseries called "Hope Park." In it, the characters were shown persistently trying to convince a character named "Diana" to go on food stamps even though her husband works and she doesn't think she needs it.

The USDA, though, ended the ads.

"The American people support helping those in need, but they want to know their tax dollars are being spent wisely. Many of the PSAs and ads on the agency's website were posted nearly four years ago and some of the content in these advertisements does not meet the standards of what I consider to be appropriate outreach," Kevin Concannon, USDA undersecretary for Food, Nutrition and Consumer Services, said in a statement last week. "To that end, I have instructed the agency to remove these materials from our website and to cease future production of advertisements. These funds could be better invested in improving our oversight of this critically important program and that is exactly what I intend to do moving forward."

The department stresses that illegal immigrants still are not eligible to receive SNAP benefits. Sessions, though, noted a regulation that allows illegal immigrants to obtain the benefits not for themselves, but other "eligible" members of their household.
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on February 04, 2014, 05:19:05 am
http://www.ijreview.com/2012/07/10985-u-s-government-teams-up-with-mexico-to-push-food-stamps/

 Obama Teams Up With Mexican Government to Push Food Stamps
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Kyle Becker | On 19, Jul 2012

A stunning report from the Daily Caller reveals that the Obama administration has signed a deal with the Mexican government to promote the use of food stamps. The U.S. Department of Agriculture program would “promote the use of food stamps among Mexican Americans, Mexican nationals and migrant communities in America,” according to the report.

The Congressional Budget Office reports that food stamps are up 70% under the Democrat-run government. Food stamp use is already at all-time highs in a jobless recession that has seen 41 straight months of unemployment over 8%. Nearly one in five households use the program, while red ink for government spending already runs over $42,000 for each household per year.

The initiative recalls the USDA being recently caught by the Daily Caller running food stamp promotions on Spanish language soap operas. The USDA was later compelled to retract the ads.

But the strange American welfare program placement has prompted questions by lawmakers, and most prominently, Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions, who has launched an investigation into the USDA’s cross-border food stamp promotion program, which was launched in 2004. The implications of more lax border and identification enforcement under the Obama administration are raising eyebrows among some GOP lawmakers, who are able to see the dangerous implications of open borders and welfare state economics.

The food stamp program was initiated in 1969 with the goal of helping the poorest fraction of the country pay their grocery bills. According to Americans for Tax Reform, in its first year less than three million people received monthly food stamp benefits of $6.63. By 1981, more than twenty-two million citizens were on the welfare program receiving $39.49 each month. Under the Obama administration, about 60 million Americans are receiving an average $277 in monthly benefits.

And the Obama administration wants to see that number go up. The reason is simple: the more voters the president can get dependent on the Democrat Party and government largesse, the more secure his political fortunes and the party’s power base will be.

The Mexican-American voter demographic has clearly been in the administration’s sites this year. The president would love to boost Mexican-American voter levels up to the ninety-percent-and-above Democrat Party brand loyalty that one routinely witnesses for the black community. Black voter loyalty to the Democrats remain markedly strong, despite black unemployment of 14.4% and black teen unemployment of nearly 40%. Hispanic and Latino unemployment is currently at 11%.

The Obama administration suing Arizona and gutting most of the state’s tighter immigration laws via the Supreme Court is apparently just the beginning. Clearly, the Democrat Party cannot allow a minority group to even split its votes for the Republican Party, which is a danger due to the Romney campaign’s potential selection of Florida Senator Marco Rubio.

But the costs for the American public of the Democrat’s electioneering is becoming too much to bear, while the party doesn’t seem to care. The debt obligations for the productive class is already into the several trillions with no end in sight.  The economy is scheduled to implode around 2027, due mostly to public debt and interest payments on the debt, according to the CBO. And where will the immigrants of the world hoping for a part of the American Dream go then?
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on February 04, 2014, 05:19:42 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt4jbUa3qao
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on February 04, 2014, 05:21:04 am
http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-uncovers-usda-records-sponsoring-u-s-food-stamp-program-for-illegal-aliens/

Judicial Watch Uncovers USDA Records Sponsoring U.S. Food Stamp Program for Illegal Aliens
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Documents Reveal that Mexican Government Encourages Maximum Participation in U.S.-Funded Program

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch today released documents detailing how the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) is working with the Mexican government to promote participation by illegal aliens in the U.S. food stamp program.

The promotion of the food stamp program, now known as “SNAP” (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), includes a Spanish-language flyer provided to the Mexican Embassy by the USDA with a statement advising Mexicans in the U.S. that they do not need to declare their immigration status in order to receive financial assistance.  Emphasized in bold and underlined, the statement reads, “You need not divulge information regarding your immigration status in seeking this benefit for your children.”

The documents came in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request made to USDA on July 20, 2012.  The FOIA request sought: “Any and all records of communication relating to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) to Mexican Americans, Mexican nationals, and migrant communities, including but not limited to, communications with the Mexican government.”

The documents obtained by Judicial Watch show that USDA officials are working closely with their counterparts at the Mexican Embassy to widely broaden the SNAP program in the Mexican immigrant community, with no effort to restrict aid to, identify, or apprehend illegal immigrants who may be on the food stamp rolls. In an email to Borjon Lopez-Coterilla and Jose Vincente of the Mexican Embassy, dated January 26, 2012, Yibo Wood of the USDA Food and Nutrition Service (FNS) sympathized with the plight of illegal aliens applying for food stamps, saying, “FNS understands that mixed status households may be particularly vulnerable.  Many of these households contain a non-citizen parent and a citizen child.”

The email from Wood to Lopez-Coterilla and Vincente came in response to a request from the Mexican Embassy that the USDA FNS step in to prevent the state of Kansas from changing its food stamp policy to restrict the amount of financial assistance provided to illegal aliens.  In a January 22, 2012, article, the Kansas City Star had revealed that the state would no longer include illegal aliens in its calculations of the amount of assistance to be provided low-income Hispanic families in order to prevent discrimination against legal recipients.

The documents, obtained by Judicial Watch in August 2012, include the following:

    March 30, 2012 – The USDA seeks approval of the Mexican Embassy in drafting a letter addressed to consulates throughout the United States designed to encourage Mexican embassy staffers to enroll in a webinar learn how to promote increased enrollment among “the needy families that the consulates serve.”

    August 1, 2011 – The USDA FNS initiates contact with the Mexican Embassy in New York to implement programs already underway in DC and Philadelphia for maximizing participation among Mexican citizens. The Mexican Embassy responds that the Consul General is eager to strengthen his ties to the USDA, with specific interest in promoting the food stamp program.

    February 25, 2011 – The USDA and the Mexican Consulate exchange ideas about getting the First Ladies of Mexico and United States to visit a school for purposes of creating a photo opportunity that would promote free school lunches for low-income students in a predominantly Hispanic school. Though a notation in the margin of the email claims that the photo op never took place, UPI reported that it actually did.

    March 3, 2010 – A flyer advertises a webinar to teach Hispanic-focused nonprofits how to get reimbursed by the USDA for serving free lunch over the summer. The course, funded by American taxpayers, is advertised as being “free for all participants.”

    February 9 , 2010 – USDA informs the Mexican Embassy that, based on an agreement reached between the State Department and the Immigration & Naturalization Service (now ICE), the Women, Infants & Children (WIC) food voucher program does not violate immigration laws prohibiting immigrants from becoming a “public charge.”

As far back as 2006, in its Corruption Chronicles blog, Judicial Watch revealed that the USDA was spending taxpayer money to run Spanish-language television ads encouraging illegal immigrants to apply for government-financed food stamps. The Mexican Consul in Santa Ana, CA, at the time even starred in some of the U.S. Government-financed television commercials, which explained the program and provided a phone number to apply. In the widely viewed commercial the Consul assured that receiving food stamps “won’t affect your immigration status.”

In 2012, Judicial Watch reported that in a letter to USDA Secretary Tom Vilsack, Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions questioned the Obama administration’s partnership with Mexican consulates to encourage foreign nationals, migrant workers and non-citizen immigrants to apply for food stamps and other USDA administered welfare benefits. Sessions wrote, “It defies rational thinking, for the United States – now dangerously $16 trillion in debt – to partner with foreign governments to help us place more foreign nationals on American welfare and it is contrary to good immigration policy in the United States.”

“The revelation that the USDA is actively working with the Mexican government to promote food stamps for illegal aliens should have a direct impact on the fate of the immigration bill now being debated in Congress,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “These disclosures further confirm the fact that the Obama administration cannot be trusted to protect our borders or enforce our immigration laws. And the coordination with a foreign government to attack the policies of an American state is contemptible.”

To view all the documents, click here. (http://www.scribd.com/doc/138691046/Mexican-Food-Stamp-PR-Full-Production)
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: aligncare on February 04, 2014, 06:48:57 am
That is damning evidence, Rapunzel. While Americans struggle to put a roof over their head and shoes on their kids' feet, our tax dollars are being used to lure economic migrants here to take jobs and vote Democrat!

Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on February 04, 2014, 08:00:44 pm
That is damning evidence, Rapunzel. While Americans struggle to put a roof over their head and shoes on their kids' feet, our tax dollars are being used to lure economic migrants here to take jobs and vote Democrat!

Exactly!!!!!!!!!! 
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2014, 08:10:59 pm
That is damning evidence, Rapunzel. While Americans struggle to put a roof over their head and shoes on their kids' feet, our tax dollars are being used to lure economic migrants here to take jobs and vote Democrat!

 :thumbsup2: :thumbsup2: :thumbsup2:
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: truth_seeker on February 04, 2014, 08:13:56 pm
That is damning evidence, Rapunzel. While Americans struggle to put a roof over their head and shoes on their kids' feet, our tax dollars are being used to lure economic migrants here to take jobs and vote Democrat!
According to the article, it was going on during the Bush administration in 2006.

From article

"As far back as 2006, in its Corruption Chronicles blog, Judicial Watch revealed that the USDA was spending taxpayer money to run Spanish-language television ads encouraging illegal immigrants to apply for government-financed food stamps. The Mexican Consul in Santa Ana, CA, at the time even starred in some of the U.S. Government-financed television commercials, which explained the program and provided a phone number to apply. In the widely viewed commercial the Consul assured that receiving food stamps “won’t affect your immigration status.”"
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Bigun on February 04, 2014, 08:24:47 pm
According to the article, it was going on during the Bush administration in 2006.

From article

"As far back as 2006, in its Corruption Chronicles blog, Judicial Watch revealed that the USDA was spending taxpayer money to run Spanish-language television ads encouraging illegal immigrants to apply for government-financed food stamps. The Mexican Consul in Santa Ana, CA, at the time even starred in some of the U.S. Government-financed television commercials, which explained the program and provided a phone number to apply. In the widely viewed commercial the Consul assured that receiving food stamps “won’t affect your immigration status.”"

That doesn't surprise me in the least! Probably happening before that in fact! The Chamber of Commerce loves government subsidies for it's clients who make big money using illegal labor!
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: Rapunzel on February 04, 2014, 09:18:34 pm
According to the article, it was going on during the Bush administration in 2006.

From article

"As far back as 2006, in its Corruption Chronicles blog, Judicial Watch revealed that the USDA was spending taxpayer money to run Spanish-language television ads encouraging illegal immigrants to apply for government-financed food stamps. The Mexican Consul in Santa Ana, CA, at the time even starred in some of the U.S. Government-financed television commercials, which explained the program and provided a phone number to apply. In the widely viewed commercial the Consul assured that receiving food stamps “won’t affect your immigration status.”"

No surprise at all... remember Bush tried to get amnesty through when he was President.....
Title: Re: GOP immigration principles support legalization
Post by: aligncare on February 05, 2014, 01:05:32 pm
According to the article, it was going on during the Bush administration in 2006.

From article

"As far back as 2006, in its Corruption Chronicles blog, Judicial Watch revealed that the USDA was spending taxpayer money to run Spanish-language television ads encouraging illegal immigrants to apply for government-financed food stamps. The Mexican Consul in Santa Ana, CA, at the time even starred in some of the U.S. Government-financed television commercials, which explained the program and provided a phone number to apply. In the widely viewed commercial the Consul assured that receiving food stamps “won’t affect your immigration status.”"

Yes, and isn't this the dilemma? Both establishment parties operating outside of constitutional bounds through unelected bureaucrats.