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Politics
Trump Just Threw Pence Under The Bus And Now 'President Pelosi' Is Trending
Ed Mazza
HuffPostSeptember 26, 2019, 1:14 AM PDT
President Donald Trump dragged Vice President Mike Pence’s name into his growing Ukraine scandal on Wednesday.
The White House released a summary of a conversation in which Trump pressured Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate 2020 Democratic presidential front-runner Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden. But Trump said he was not the only one to speak to Zelensky.
“I think you should ask for Vice President Pence’s conversation because he had a couple of conversations also,†Trump said.
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-pence-president-pelosi-081441004.html
Getting worse.
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VP Pence has been a loyal "servant" to Trump and Trump has more than once kicked him in the you-know-what. Or had someone else do it for him.
With Trump, loyalty is a one-way street.
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Pray for America. Brace yourselves for the upcoming storm.
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I heard this last night. I am unsure if that is what this means.
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Consider the source, a HuffPo writer. Trump is mocking the Dems. Basically he said, "You got nothing from my phone call, so why don't you get more nothing from Pence's phone call transcripts?!" Or maybe Trump is sneakier than just mocking the Dems ... maybe he knows there's something in Pence's phone calls Trump knows the Dems would not want known.
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What a pant load.
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Yes, read Pence went to Ukraine around first of September to speak to the Ukraine president about "corruption" in the US. (Also known as Joe Biden/Hunter Biden.)
Pence follows direction, perhaps without thinking of the consequences.
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Maybe it is a call to warn other republicans that want Pence for President to say he will take down Pence with him if he goes.
Who knows.
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@Cyber Liberty
Here is the bad part - he has tied Pence to him on this and says both of them will be exonerated. He put Pence in the hole with him.
"I think you should ask for Vice President Pence’s conversation because he had a couple of conversations also,†Trump said. Trump also said he and Pence would both be exonerated, and called the vice president’s conversations with Ukraine “perfect.†"
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Heres an idea - let’s all fall for another Trump hit piece.
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@Cyber Liberty
Here is the bad part - he has tied Pence to him on this and says both of them will be exonerated. He put Pence in the hole with him.
"I think you should ask for Vice President Pence’s conversation because he had a couple of conversations also,†Trump said. Trump also said he and Pence would both be exonerated, and called the vice president’s conversations with Ukraine “perfect.†"
Except that he's not really in a hole. Not only did he do nothing wrong...asking another nation to look into a source of corruption from the previous election is exactly what a President SHOULD do. Further, though an absurdly partisan House may impeach, there is absolutely zero chance of a conviction in the Senate. So the whole exercise is pointless in terms of "removal. Its nothing more than an attempt to smear the President and reduce the impact from the upcoming IG reports....and to push Trump's support down going into the election. Citing the VP who is universally respected as an honest man with a vast reservoir of integrity...simply points out the absurd nature of the entire inquiry.
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I don't know quite what to make of this. I find this very odd and really troubling. Why would Trump do this to Pence unless perhaps Trump wants a stronger VP to him help win re-election. Cruz? Haley? This doesn't quite make sense.
What has stayed in the back of my mind and IF my thoughts about Trump are correct; that he merely inserted himself into the election to ensure that Cruz never became president, then this makes perfect sense and a President Pelosi is on the horizon. She could then select Warren as her VP and Warren would then more easily move into the Presidency in 2020. No opposition of course from Trump and really not a whole lot of time for anyone from the GOP to campaign and get up enough money to oppose her.
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We don't know how this will all play out. But should Trump go down over this, there is a good possibility that Pence will go down with him.
Hope you all are prepared for President Pelosi.
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We don't know how this will all play out. But should Trump go down over this, there is a good possibility that Pence will go down with him.
Hope you all are prepared for President Pelosi.
It'll be a cold day in Hell before the American people accept that kind of coup. Even Nixon got to appoint his successor.
If the Democrats want the Oval Office, they'll have to win it. Fair and square, or otherwise. But for all the NeverTrumpers out there who sat the 2016 election out, a solid Christian like Mike Pence would be a hill they'd (we'd) be willing to die on.
You wanna start a culture war? Pull a stunt like this.
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Come on, guys! This isn't a story. Presidents and VPs talk to foreign officials. They do it all the time. It's a significant part of their jobs.
This isn't Trump's growing Ukraine scandal. The leftist media complex desperately wants us to think it is, but it isn't. This is bizarre - our own side buying into this ****rain man***?
Wow.
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Come on, guys! This isn't a story. Presidents and VPs talk to foreign officials. They do it all the time. It's a significant part of their jobs.
This isn't Trump's growing Ukraine scandal. The leftist media complex desperately wants us to think it is, but it isn't. This is bizarre - our own side buying into this ****rain man***?
Wow.
Let the haters have a say. I know I fart in their general direction.
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Let the haters have a say. I know I fart in their general direction.
Well, ... sure I'm upwind. <sniff-sniff> :laugh:
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Heres an idea - let’s all fall for another Trump hit piece.
LOL! like cats chasing a laser pointer.
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Let the haters have a say. I know I fart in their general direction.
There's an emoji for that. farter000000
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Come on, guys! This isn't a story. Presidents and VPs talk to foreign officials. They do it all the time. It's a significant part of their jobs.
This isn't Trump's growing Ukraine scandal. The leftist media complex desperately wants us to think it is, but it isn't. This is bizarre - our own side buying into this ****rain man***?
Wow.
This indeed may be a big nothing. Even if the House impeaches, the Senate is likely to either ignore it or vote to acquit.
All I'm saying is that IF Trump goes down, he may have taken Pence with him. Trump probably should have said nothing about Pence. Now he may have put his loyal VP in danger. Was this deliberate on Trump's part? If so, it was a rotten thing to do to a decent guy.
By the way, I'm not a fan of Mike Pence, but if anything should happen, I'd rather have him as president than Pelosi.
All of you who are confident this will turn out well for Trump and Pence -- I am just saying you should be prepared for the possibility, however slim, that it won't.
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BKMK
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This indeed may be a big nothing. Even if the House impeaches, the Senate is likely to either ignore it or vote to acquit.
All I'm saying is that IF Trump goes down, he may have taken Pence with him. Trump probably should have said nothing about Pence. Now he may have put his loyal VP in danger. Was this deliberate on Trump's part? If so, it was a rotten thing to do to a decent guy.
By the way, I'm not a fan of Mike Pence, but if anything should happen, I'd rather have him as president than Pelosi.
All of you who are confident this will turn out well for Trump and Pence -- I am just saying you should be prepared for the possibility, however slim, that it won't.
Pence has done nothing wrong and still has a job to do. That's all this is.
Well, no, that's not all: they're playing us, @Applewood. Don't get played.
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There's an emoji for that. farter000000
I was hoping it smelt of elderberries. but okay
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Heres an idea - let’s all fall for another Trump hit piece.
Or at least talk about it for three days .... :laugh:
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Maybe it is a call to warn other republicans that want Pence for President to say he will take down Pence with him if he goes.
Who knows.
That's what I thought it sounded like. He is nervous and doesn't want Pence to become President if he is impeached.
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:pop41:
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That's what I thought it sounded like. He is nervous and doesn't want Pence to become President if he is impeached.
Why would Trump be nervous about Pence being President? He is the one who picked him as his VP. My question has always been, why Pence? He brought absolutely nothing to the table. He was relatively unknown. He's not a great orator or speaker. Quite frankly, I trust Pence less than I trust Trump.
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Why would Trump be nervous about Pence being President? He is the one who picked him as his VP. My question has always been, why Pence? He brought absolutely nothing to the table. He was relatively unknown. He's not a great orator or speaker. Quite frankly, I trust Pence less than I trust Trump.
Pence is a pretty solid Conservative with good values and morals. His job was to signal tot he Conservative base that Trump was not going to go off the rails and swing radically left.
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Why would Trump be nervous about Pence being President? He is the one who picked him as his VP. My question has always been, why Pence? He brought absolutely nothing to the table. He was relatively unknown. He's not a great orator or speaker. Quite frankly, I trust Pence less than I trust Trump.
Do you realize how many people I've spoken to who can't stand Trump but were willing to vote for him in the hopes that he would be impeached and Pence would take over?
More than you realize. Especially in the churches.
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Politics
Trump Just Threw Pence Under The Bus And Now 'President Pelosi' Is Trending
Ed Mazza
HuffPostSeptember 26, 2019, 1:14 AM PDT
President Donald Trump dragged Vice President Mike Pence’s name into his growing Ukraine scandal on Wednesday.
The White House released a summary of a conversation in which Trump pressured Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate 2020 Democratic presidential front-runner Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden. But Trump said he was not the only one to speak to Zelensky.
“I think you should ask for Vice President Pence’s conversation because he had a couple of conversations also,†Trump said.
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-pence-president-pelosi-081441004.html
Getting worse.
@Chosen Daughter
HOW is that "throwing Pence under the bus"? Do YOU think Pence did and/or said something illegal? If not,where is the danger?
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Do you realize how many people I've spoken to who can't stand Trump but were willing to vote for him in the hopes that he would be impeached and Pence would take over?
Two …. Mom and dad?
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Do you realize how many people I've spoken to who can't stand Trump but were willing to vote for him in the hopes that he would be impeached and Pence would take over?
@jmyrlefuller
Everybody at your fundie church,that wants the church to be an official government branch?
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@sneakypete
I hear similar statements about voting for Trump to get Pence. And I don't go to church, so...
IMHO, this is just as bad as voting for Trump to "save us from the Democrats." Or voting for the Democrat nominee to "save us from Trump." Or voting for Biden as backlash against Trump. Lousy reasons to vote for anyone.
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OK – just for the sake of argument, let’s say he wouldn’t want Pence to become president. My assumption (perhaps incorrect) is that he knows the order of succession. Does anybody really think he wants to hand it over to Pelosi?
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OK – just for the sake of argument, let’s say he wouldn’t want Pence to become president. My assumption (perhaps incorrect) is that he knows the order of succession. Does anybody really think he wants to hand it over to Pelosi?
IF indeed Trump has been playing his base and was inserted into the election to ensure that the only conservative running wasn't seated, then yes. Pelosi could very easily then name Warren or the Beast as her VP. That would ensure the GOP was finally finished and the global elite and socialism take over our Republic. No one, even Trump himself thought that he would win over Hillary.
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OK – just for the sake of argument, let’s say he wouldn’t want Pence to become president. My assumption (perhaps incorrect) is that he knows the order of succession. Does anybody really think he wants to hand it over to Pelosi?
Although Pence fell in line and went along with releasing the transcript he had originally advised the President not too. I just posted the thread on it. Anyone who opposes Trumps decisions could be on the chopping block. And its a pattern. That's how he handles it. He starts tweeting or mentioning them and then he fires them.
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Although Pence fell in line and went along with releasing the transcript he had originally advised the President not too. I just posted the thread on it. Anyone who opposes Trumps decisions could be on the chopping block. And its a pattern. That's how he handles it. He starts tweeting or mentioning them and then he fires them.
IF he fires Pence, then be prepared for President Pelosi. I don't think he'd be that stupid. If that becomes the scenario and somehow Trump manages to retain his seat, who would accept the VP spot alongside Trump? Maybe Graham. I can't think of anyone else who would be willing to take all the mud slinging from the left.
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IF he fires Pence, then be prepared for President Pelosi.
@libertybele
You really think that? Why?
BTW,I am not personally aware of any character flaws that Pence might have,but do you really think he has what it would take to step in and be the next Republican presidential candidate after Trump leaves office? I just don't see Pence as being someone that aggressive.
And "No,I DON'T" have any suggestions as to who would be better. I am just hoping someone comes along because I really don't think Pence has it in him to be as aggressive as any Republican candidate for President will have to be in 2024.
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IF he fires Pence, then be prepared for President Pelosi.
He can’t. The only way Pence gets ‘fired’ is if he’s not asked to be on the 2020 ticket. The vice president is elected, not appointed. He’s the only person in the administration that does not serve at the pleasure of the president. That’s one of the things that is so frustrating about his obsequiousness. He could stand up more, if he really wanted to. The only things Trump could do to him would be leave him out of meetings or decisions. Other than that, he’s stuck with him, for the full term, unless he resigned.
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Everyone is quick to think the worst of Trump. Maybe Trump was attempting to point out Pense spoke to the Ukranians too, and there is nothing to be concerned about.
It will be Pence for 2020 as VP. Several conservative friends could not understand why Pence when Trump picked him. He was a relative unknown for me, but after hearing him speak several times, I came to the conclusion that he was a great pick. Pence is a good man, in a world that does not have many good men. I have never heard him say one word I disagree with.
Pence will be a great candidate for me in 2024. He will have competition, but he is the most likely to continue efforts Trump has initiated.
Please stop thinking the worst of the president. He has many rough edges, but I believe his heart is 100% for making America a better country, a stronger country, and if we had a Congress that was worth a good BM, great things would happen every day. But Congress isn't worth a good BM, and what is worse is that they know it and they don't care. They come to work every day to line their pockets, and nothing else. Congress quit representing the American people decades ago, and that goes for both sides of the aisle!!! Don't let the Republicans fool anyone. The Dems want open borders, and the Republicans have fully supported illegals for cheap labor. They are just more subtle about it all!!!
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@sneakypete
I hear similar statements about voting for Trump to get Pence. And I don't go to church, so...
IMHO, this is just as bad as voting for Trump to "save us from the Democrats." Or voting for the Democrat nominee to "save us from Trump." Or voting for Biden as backlash against Trump. Lousy reasons to vote for anyone.
THose aren't votes for anyone, they're votes against the alternative.
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Please stop thinking the worst of the president. He has many rough edges, but I believe his heart is 100% for making America a better country, a stronger country....
I don’t think there was any ill-intent behind what he said about Pence conversations with Ukrainian officials. As for the rest of it, I’ll never trust the man, because he has been on both sides of every major issue, in the past 20 years. He’s also had multiple party affiliations, within that same period. I’m sick of the ‘Reagan was a Democrat, too’ excuse.
There’s a huge difference between changing parties and wild swings of positions on healthcare, abortion, 2A, and economics, plus changing party 5 times. Someone in the conservative discussion site business once said it best, when discussing possible candidates for the 2012 election.
Well, I’ll make an observation. Trump is NO conservative. He’s a self-dealing charlatan and he’s got a lot of fall-for-anything chump types fooled.
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THose aren't votes for anyone, they're votes against the alternative.
@Smokin Joe
So what? In many ways those votes make the most sense. We do not live in an ideal world,and we are not always,if ever,going to have ideal candidates. Since in the real world one of the candidates is going to win,it makes perfect sense to vote for the least repulsive one.
In case you haven't noticed,this is an imperfect world we live in that is populated by imperfect people (other than me,of course!),and only Dims and other children believe the lies told in fairy tales about ideal worlds.
If I had to wait for an ideal candidate that agreed with me on every issue before I voted,I would never get to vote.
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As for the rest of it, I’ll never trust the man, because he has been on both sides of every major issue, in the past 20 years.
Please point out when he has been for gun confiscation and abortion as a birth control method.
He’s also had multiple party affiliations, within that same period.
Since he was living and doing business in the Dim cess pool known as NYC,he pretty much had to register Dim to even gain access to the people he needed to make sure his permit applications were approved,and that his business life went as smooth as possible.
He then reached a place in life where kissing Dim ass in order to thrive was no longer an issue,so he switched parties. Big flipping deal. LOTS of people have changed parties,including me. When my perception of the Dim Party changed,so did my party affiliation. What was I supposed to do,continue to vote Dim once I decided they had been lying to me and didn't represent me?
I’m sick of the ‘Reagan was a Democrat, too’ excuse.
Seems to me you are either a Prima Donna,or someone just looking for excuses to not have to think.
There’s a huge difference between changing parties and wild swings of positions on healthcare, abortion, 2A, and economics, plus changing party 5 times.
Yeah,"DAMN all dat independent thinkin'! Who do dese peepul tink day is,free peepul? Dey need ta join the Borg and STFU,right!
Deys jist doo dam mucha dat "thinking stuff going on!"
And once again,remind when Trump was for abortion as a birth control method or gun control. Enquiring minds,and all dat.
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Please point out when he has been for gun confiscation and abortion as a birth control method.
His stance on abortion, as a man in his 50s. He says he wouldn’t even ban partial-birth.
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-in-1999-i-am-very-pro-choice-480297539914 (https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-in-1999-i-am-very-pro-choice-480297539914)
His stance on guns, in the same time period. Also, he signed the bump stock ban and asked Feinstein to add her assault weapons ban to the proposals, after Stoneman-Douglas.
"I generally oppose gun control, wrote Donald Trump in his 2000 book, The America We Deserve, “but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun.â€
This was just in the past two years......
He also proposed a wide-ranging overhaul of the law to enable better background checks, arm school staff, increase the minimum age for certain gun sales, and keep firearms away from people who might misuse them.
“I like taking the guns early,†the president said. “Take the guns first, go through due process second.â€
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-trump-gun-trajectory-from-banning-assault-weapons-to-nra-endorsement (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-trump-gun-trajectory-from-banning-assault-weapons-to-nra-endorsement)
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Seems to me you are either a Prima Donna,or someone just looking for excuses to not have to think.
You could have found all of this stuff, on your own, very easily. It’s well-known. I’m looking for an excuse not to have to think? You’ve got to be effing kidding me.
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THose aren't votes for anyone, they're votes against the alternative.
You're right about that. And I believe that's not the way to vote.
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@sneakypete
I hear similar statements about voting for Trump to get Pence. And I don't go to church, so...
IMHO, this is just as bad as voting for Trump to "save us from the Democrats." Or voting for the Democrat nominee to "save us from Trump." Or voting for Biden as backlash against Trump. Lousy reasons to vote for anyone.
@sneakypete
@Applewood
I hear it too. It is not an anomoly.
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@Smokin Joe
So what? In many ways those votes make the most sense. We do not live in an ideal world,and we are not always,if ever,going to have ideal candidates. Since in the real world one of the candidates is going to win,it makes perfect sense to vote for the least repulsive one.
In case you haven't noticed,this is an imperfect world we live in that is populated by imperfect people (other than me,of course!),and only Dims and other children believe the lies told in fairy tales about ideal worlds.
If I had to wait for an ideal candidate that agreed with me on every issue before I voted,I would never get to vote.
@sneakypete
I don't think anyone is looking for the perfect candidate. I think most of us know such a creature doesn't exist. But I would like to find one candidate who I believe can do the job and who might at least make an effort to keep the promises he or she has made to the voters.
Republicans have been making the same promises since at least the beginning of Obama's presidency. Obama became president in 2008 and here we are, eleven years later, and Republicans still haven't kept those promises. For about two years or so Republicans had the trifecta -- the presidency plus both houses of congress -- and they still couldn't accomplish anything. And here they are -- almost at 2020 when we vote for president and senators -- and they are still making the same promises. Well, why should I trust them to keep those promises when they haven't kept them for the last 11 years or so?
So you and others say I have to vote Republican to "save us" from the Democrats. Well, after 11 years of unfulfilled promises, why would you or anyone else think these Republicans are going to "save us" from the Democrats? Seems to me that if Republicans haven't done squat in 11 years, I can only assume they want what the Democrats want. So how is voting for any Republican candidate -- not just Trump -- going to "save us" from the Democrats if both parties want the same thing?
I promised my late father I would always vote, but every election, it becomes harder and harder to keep that promise. I refuse to vote for a "savior" -- none exists. And I'm not going to vote for the "lesser of two evils" either -because both are evil. I could stay home next year and endure the BS that by dong so, I'm actually voting for the Democrat. But it seems to me, no matter what I do next year, we are all going to end up with the same karp we have endured the last eleven years. It's not going to get any better and it likely will get a helluva lot worse. Won't matter which party is in power.
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His stance on abortion, as a man in his 50s. He says he wouldn’t even ban partial-birth.
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-in-1999-i-am-very-pro-choice-480297539914 (https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-in-1999-i-am-very-pro-choice-480297539914)
@edpc
Two things. One is that was in 1999,and the other is that I am also opposed to abortion and to laws banning abortions in all cases. People are either free to make their own decisions,or they are slaves of the government.
The problem with abortion laws is it is the extremes on both ends that control the arguments as well as the laws. There is no middle-ground,so if you are going to err,err on the side of individual freedoms.
His stance on guns, in the same time period.
He seems to have changed his mind since then.
Also, he signed the bump stock ban
I don't give a rabid rats ass about a bump stock ban.
and asked Feinstein to add her assault weapons ban to the proposals, after Stoneman-Douglas.
When was this? What has he said about that lately?
"I generally oppose gun control, wrote Donald Trump in his 2000 book, The America We Deserve, “but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun.â€
Once again,this is what he put in a book written 20 years ago.
This was just in the past two years......
No,it was in 2000.
He also proposed a wide-ranging overhaul of the law to enable better background checks, arm school staff, increase the minimum age for certain gun sales, and keep firearms away from people who might misuse them.
“I like taking the guns early,†the president said. “Take the guns first, go through due process second.â€
When was this?
You could have found all of this stuff, on your own, very easily.
You can "find" that men can get pregnant and give birth,or that "up is really down" on the internet if you look long enough.
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FFS.... @sneakypete
First of all, in my original comment, I said he has been on both sides of major issues, in the past 20 years. When you look at his comments from 1999 through today, what’s the math on the timeframe, Copernicus? He was a man in his 50s, at the time. There’s no credible way his opinions on those matters changed, except for political expediency. It was the same thing when Obama said his views had ‘evolved’ on gay marriage. That was pure BS and everyone knows it. At the time Trump had different views, he was an admitted NYC liberal. Surprise, MFer....he still is! He’s whatever he has to be, at the time, to suit his purpose.
It’s impossible for you to have lived as long as you have and be this naïve. Even if you are, it’s not my job to educate you. I’m done with that. Let the thread get back on course, unless you want to throw in one of your obligatory comments about the Bush family.
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FFS.... @sneakypete
He was a man in his 50s, at the time. There’s no credible way his opinions on those matters changed, except for political expediency.
@edpc
He was living in NYC at that time,and had been living there for decades. Which meant all he heard was pro-gun control,and everybody he associated with was pro-gun control.
People tend to learn as they evolve as adults. Especially when they have a new circle of friends and acquaintances.
At the time Trump had different views, he was an admitted NYC liberal.
See? Even you realize that. Key words being "At that time..."
Surprise, MFer....he still is! He’s whatever he has to be, at the time, to suit his purpose.
And now he is no longer even welcome where Dims and other gun-grabbers congregate,and now he needs to be pro-gun.
unless you want to throw in one of your obligatory comments about the Bush family.
Thanks for reminding me. NO ONE should ever vote for anyone in the Bush Crime Family again,unless it is to vote to put them in prison or expel them from the US and pull their citizenships. Evil bastards,one and all.
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Ah, at what point does the man's actual record as president factor into the debate?
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@sneakypete
I don't think anyone is looking for the perfect candidate. I think most of us know such a creature doesn't exist. But I would like to find one candidate who I believe can do the job and who might at least make an effort to keep the promises he or she has made to the voters.
Republicans have been making the same promises since at least the beginning of Obama's presidency. Obama became president in 2008 and here we are, eleven years later, and Republicans still haven't kept those promises. For about two years or so Republicans had the trifecta -- the presidency plus both houses of congress -- and they still couldn't accomplish anything. And here they are -- almost at 2020 when we vote for president and senators -- and they are still making the same promises. Well, why should I trust them to keep those promises when they haven't kept them for the last 11 years or so?
So you and others say I have to vote Republican to "save us" from the Democrats. Well, after 11 years of unfulfilled promises, why would you or anyone else think these Republicans are going to "save us" from the Democrats? Seems to me that if Republicans haven't done squat in 11 years, I can only assume they want what the Democrats want. So how is voting for any Republican candidate -- not just Trump -- going to "save us" from the Democrats if both parties want the same thing?
I promised my late father I would always vote, but every election, it becomes harder and harder to keep that promise. I refuse to vote for a "savior" -- none exists. And I'm not going to vote for the "lesser of two evils" either -because both are evil. I could stay home next year and endure the BS that by dong so, I'm actually voting for the Democrat. But it seems to me, no matter what I do next year, we are all going to end up with the same karp we have endured the last eleven years. It's not going to get any better and it likely will get a helluva lot worse. Won't matter which party is in power.
goopo
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Ah, at what point does the man's actual record as president factor into the debate?
Well, for someone who has made up their mind and no amount of action will change it, never.
It's the "cancel-culture" You said something racist (by quoting a show) when you were 16, therefore no amount of collecting money for kids with cancer will make up for it. Not only not make up for it, the Nevers will insist that you be ostracized, minimized and demonized.
It means they don't have to think, or revise their opinion based on new evidence. Nope, once the mind is made up, no further effort is required.
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Well, for someone who has made up their mind and no amount of action will change it, never.
It's the "cancel-culture" You said something racist (by quoting a show) when you were 16, therefore no amount of collecting money for kids with cancer will make up for it. Not only not make up for it, the Nevers will insist that you be ostracized, minimized and demonized.
It means they don't have to think, or revise their opinion based on new evidence. Nope, once the mind is made up, no further effort is required.
I suppose not. It just seems silly to base an opinion upon something that was said or done twenty years ago when there's now an abundance of tangible contradictory evidence.
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LOL
Pelosi can't find two matching shoes in her closet.
Can't imagine what she would be like if she had a real job. lol
Much less being President.
Can't you just see her working as a checker?
That will be a nickel? I mean 3 dollars?
Wait no, 30 dollars...or something...I don't know?
Look, just give me some money or something and we will call it even...
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Well, for someone who has made up their mind and no amount of action will change it, never.
It's the "cancel-culture" You said something racist (by quoting a show) when you were 16, therefore no amount of collecting money for kids with cancer will make up for it. Not only not make up for it, the Nevers will insist that you be ostracized, minimized and demonized.
It means they don't have to think, or revise their opinion based on new evidence. Nope, once the mind is made up, no further effort is required.
I’m not the one with tunnel vision. The man was 53, not 16. He’s never been mistaken for a deep thinking evidence analyzing person. As far as time as president goes, there are moments when his true colors have shown. That has been on full display, with his televised get-togethers among Democrats on the issues like DACA and guns. During the state of the union, he was pushing Ivanka’s pet project, paid family leave. His immediate instincts are to go left. He has to be pulled back, by advisors and special interest groups, later.
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I suppose not. It just seems silly to base an opinion upon something that was said or done twenty years ago when there's now an abundance of tangible contradictory evidence.
No, there’s the political reality where he can’t say what he really thinks and remain in office. He’s shown glimpses of it, when left to his own devices, in free wheeling, public conferences. Trump is and always has been two things, first and foremost – a liar and a salesman. You’ve fallen for one and bought the other.
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I’m not the one with tunnel vision. The man was 53, not 16. He’s never been mistaken for a deep thinking evidence analyzing person. As far as time as president goes, there are moments when his true colors have shown. That has been on full display, with his televised get-togethers among Democrats on the issues like DACA and guns. During the state of the union, he was pushing Ivanka’s pet project, paid family leave. His immediate instincts are to go left. He has to be pulled back, by advisors and special interest groups, later.
We are talking about what he is doing. You do understand the distinction?
But, if nothing else, you are consistent.
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No, there’s the political reality where he can’t say what he really thinks and remain in office. He’s shown glimpses of it, when left to his own devices, in free wheeling, public conferences. Trump is and always has been two things, first and foremost – a liar and a salesman. You’ve fallen for one and bought the other.
Frankly I don't care whats going on inside his mind as long as he keeps doing the right thing, at least as often as he has so far.
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LOL
Pelosi can't find two matching shoes in her closet.
Can't imagine what she would be like if she had a real job. lol
Much less being President.
Can't you just see her working as a checker?
That will be a nickel? I mean 3 dollars?
Wait no, 30 dollars...or something...I don't know?
Look, just give me some money or something and we will call it even...
At the end of the day, her cash drawer would be full of buttons and trinkets that she thought was real money.