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Title: Does Mexico Want to Nullify the Treaty that Officially Recognized Texas?
Post by: Elderberry on April 13, 2017, 12:36:57 am
Texian Partisan April 11, 2017 Ryan Thorson

At the Texian Partisan, we like to highlight threats posed by the federal government of the United States to Texas’ liberty and sovereignty. This is not a very difficult task, considering that so much of what the federal government does is clearly outside the boundaries of the legal authority granted it by the Constitution. However, not all threats to Texas come from Washington, and if one “elder statesman” of Mexico and his supporters get their way, Texas will yet again face a threat from south of the Rio Grande.

Spurred on by concerns of rhetoric from President Donald Trump, a movement in Mexico now seeks to challenge and overturn the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. For those who have forgotten their high school American history, TOGH was the 1848 treaty that ended the hostilities of the Mexican-American War, a conflict that began with the United States accepting Texas into the Union. In addition to ending war with the United States, it settled the issue of Texas’ border being the Rio Grande and also ceded to the U.S. most of what is today known as California, Arizona, and New Mexico. Led by Cuauhtémoc Cárdenas Solórzano, the founder of Mexico’s Party of the Democratic Revolution and former Mexico City Mayor, what this current effort seeks to do is to nullify TOGH and have the United States pay, “reparations and indemnification” to the government of Mexico for the forced sale of those lands and forced recognition of Texas independence.

As this effort, according to the New York Times, is likely to be tried in the “International Court of Justice,” its probability of success is low. The United States does not currently accept world court rulings as binding, and such recognition is unlikely to begin with a big, fat, judgement that the U.S. can tack onto their already immense debt. Also, there is practicality to be considered. This sort of game can be played back a long way, and not just the 169 years to the signing of TOGH. For instance, what compensation did Mexico give Spain for the appropriation of their imperial territories in that part of the new world? For that matter, what did Spain do for Aztecs that they conquered, or the Aztecs for the tribes they subdued? Are we to dredge up all the conquests of antiquity and relitigate them? Does Mexico really want to open that can of worms?

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Title: Re: Does Mexico Want to Nullify the Treaty that Officially Recognized Texas?
Post by: Frank Cannon on April 13, 2017, 12:44:27 am
This is on about the level of debating whether Martians exist.
Title: Re: Does Mexico Want to Nullify the Treaty that Officially Recognized Texas?
Post by: thackney on April 13, 2017, 07:38:21 pm
This is on about the level of debating whether Martians exist.

Exactly.

Like overturning a past treaty with Yugoslavia and Romania to claim part of Serbia.
Title: Re: Does Mexico Want to Nullify the Treaty that Officially Recognized Texas?
Post by: Sanguine on April 13, 2017, 09:46:04 pm
This is on about the level of debating whether Martians exist.

You're questioning the existence of Martians now?   
Title: Re: Does Mexico Want to Nullify the Treaty that Officially Recognized Texas?
Post by: Frank Cannon on April 13, 2017, 09:48:50 pm
You're questioning the existence of Martians now?

There is more of a chance of me meeting a Martian than this treaty being dissolved.
Title: Re: Does Mexico Want to Nullify the Treaty that Officially Recognized Texas?
Post by: Taxcontrol on April 13, 2017, 09:53:25 pm
Mexico has about 1 million military troops if you count reserves
The total number of guns in Texas is estimated at 22 million

Just saying
Title: Re: Does Mexico Want to Nullify the Treaty that Officially Recognized Texas?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 13, 2017, 10:00:10 pm
Mexico has about 1 million military troops if you count reserves
The total number of guns in Texas is estimated at 22 million

Just saying

You'd have to add the guns in all the states Aztlan claims, too:  NM, AZ and CA.  CA may not be worth a diddly damn in a fight, but they can hold our coats and guard their man-buns with their Mini Coopers.
Title: Re: Does Mexico Want to Nullify the Treaty that Officially Recognized Texas?
Post by: 240B on April 13, 2017, 10:17:12 pm
What I like most about this article is that it is a perfect example of the rising use of the "question opinion" or the "question accusations". MSNBC, CNN, NYT are the champions of this oblique style of agitprop.

The goal is to get an idea out into the public zeiygeist without having to provide any proof or justification of what you are declaring.
"Is Donald Trump a closet cross-dresser?"
"Has Donald Trump ever molested Ivanka?"

The question style agitprop allows propagandists to say something without 'saying' it. This way they do not have to take responsibility for their statements. 'I was just asking a question.'

Whenever you see a headline written in the form of a question, immediately dismiss it. 99.9% of the time it is total bullshit that some writer pulled out of their butt.
Title: Re: Does Mexico Want to Nullify the Treaty that Officially Recognized Texas?
Post by: endicom on April 13, 2017, 11:02:23 pm
This is on about the level of debating whether Martians exist.


Or Texians.
Title: Re: Does Mexico Want to Nullify the Treaty that Officially Recognized Texas?
Post by: DB on April 13, 2017, 11:25:10 pm
What I like most about this article is that it is a perfect example of the rising use of the "question opinion" or the "question accusations". MSNBC, CNN, NYT are the champions of this oblique style of agitprop.

The goal is to get an idea out into the public zeiygeist without having to provide any proof or justification of what you are declaring.
"Is Donald Trump a closet cross-dresser?"
"Has Donald Trump ever molested Ivanka?"

The question style agitprop allows propagandists to say something without 'saying' it. This way they do not have to take responsibility for their statements. 'I was just asking a question.'

Whenever you see a headline written in the form of a question, immediately dismiss it. 99.9% of the time it is total bullshit that some writer pulled out of their butt.

How is that any different than Trump saying "some people are saying...". From affairs to assassinations... He didn't care about the truth of it at all, only what it might gain him. Much like the MSM these days.