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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: sinkspur on June 25, 2014, 03:16:35 am
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2014/06/24/cochran-rangel-primary-results/11324323/
Thad Cochran wins GOP Senate nomination in MIssissippi
Thad Cochran won a narrow victory over State Senator Chris McDaniel on Tuesday night to run for another term for the US Senate.
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Mississippi U.S. Senate
Polls close in Mississippi at 8 p.m. ET.
REPUBLICAN PRIMARY RUNOFF VOTES %WON
Thad Cochran INCUMBENT 182,507 50.7 %
Chris McDaniel 177,709 49.3
98% of votes in.
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all races by state here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dre/elections/2014-primaries-june24?hpid=z1
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The GOP-e stole the election by actively campaigning with Democrats and hiring black activists to get their people to the polls to vote for Cochran. This is a new low, even for the RINOs and Roveites. The crossover Democrats helped send this old fossil back to the Senate so he can vote for amnesty, gun control, more pork, and who knows what else.
When the GOP calls me asking for money, I will tell them to call the Democrats since they already are using them to influence primaries.
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The GOP-e stole the election by actively campaigning with Democrats and hiring black activists to get their people to the polls to vote for Cochran. This is a new low, even for the RINOs and Roveites. The crossover Democrats helped send this old fossil back to the Senate so he can vote for amnesty, gun control, more pork, and who knows what else.
I hate to win this way, but it sure beats losing.
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When Limbo urged such pranks, conservatives thought it was really cool.
Now they paint themselves, as they frequently do, as victims.
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Allahpundit @allahpundit
McCain/Cochran 2016
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Forget calling them RINOs.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/American-cockroach.jpg/300px-American-cockroach.jpg)
We should call them cockroaches instead, because they seem to be impossible to exterminate anymore.
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Commentary:
Cochran’s victory over McDaniel is a wake-up call for conservatives
By Neil W. McCabe June 25, 2014 | Canada Free Press (http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/64049)
The win of Sen. W. Thad Cochran over state Sen. Christopher B. McDaniel in the June 24 GOP Mississippi Senate Primary runoff by less than 5,000 votes is a pyrrhic victory for the Republican establishment.
To save Cochran, the Republican leadership, specifically the National Senate Campaign Committee, the National Rifle Association, National Right to Life, former governor Haley Barbour and the Chamber of Commerce, stepped out of the shadows to support Cochran.
Take note: the National Rifle Association and National Right to Life supported Cochran, not McDaniel, whose views on restoring gun rights and legal protection to the unborn are absolutist.
Yes, there were dirty tricks. Stolen signs, funny voting patterns and favors traded and paid off.
Yes, it is obvious that Cochran has been carrying on for several years with one of his female aides—while his actual and legal wife continues to linger in a managed residential facility. McDaniel did not bring up the girlfriend, but he is a better man that I am.
Late last year, the buzz on Capitol Hill was that Cochran was going to step aside. But, when McDaniel emerged as the likely successor, GOP leaders put the touch on the incumbent to block McDaniel.
After 41 years in Washington, Cochran may have been tired, but in a state like Mississippi, federal largesse is mother’s milk—not just welfare, but military spending and grants to the state’s colleges and universities.
In his victory speech to supporters, Cochran claimed his win was a win for government jobs and military spending.
It was not an accident that Cochran made a campaign stop at Naval Air Station Meridian with another ancient mariner Sen. John S. McCain III (R.-Ariz.) touting his seat on the Senate Appropriations Committee. There is no doubt that if the Republicans take the Senate in November, the senator will become the committee chairman—one of the most powerful men in Washington.
In the June 3 primary, McDaniel bested Cochran with 49.5 percent, by just more than 1,300 votes, but it was not more than 50 percent, so the runoff was required.
Conservatives will bemoan how the Cochran campaign canvassed and delivered new votes from Democrats and the senator’s robocalls that called the Tea Party racist. But, the McDaniel camp was not without help.
Club for Growth, Citizens United, Senate Conservative Fund, FreedomWorks and the Tea Party Patriots and all the radio hosts and all the pundits and all the political tourists need to step back and figure out what just happened.
The way to win an election is to fight for voters and get them to the polls. To do those two simple steps takes work. Grunt work. Not mailers, not TV ads, not bus tours and not scorecards. It is grunt work of knocking on doors, working the phones and going back to the same doors and the same phone numbers.
People have won without doing the work, but rarely does it happen if the other side is doing their own voter ID and get-out-the-vote operation.
In the end, conservatives would have accepted the McDaniel loss if it was a fair fight. It will be many years before they forgive and forget being called racists and having busloads of Democrats thrown against them.
Perhaps, they will start by cleaning house at the National Republican Senate Committee, whose staff moved heaven and earth to keep them out of the Senate.
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Message sent. This seat will go to the demonrats.
It would have been a very smart move for Palin and others to go into the minority community and show them what the republicans have to offer. Simply appealing to ultra conservatives is not going to work. Either we expand our message or we lose.
This was a stolen election because the republicans wrote off the black voters.
WAKE UP
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The RNC/DNC are in an active partnership against the will of the American people. Not hyperbole or rhetoric, it is fact. Both will do anything, anything at all to maintain their desparate grasp on power, regardless of what the stupid, unwashed masses want.
They are a criminal enterprise in it together. Nothing could prove it more than this slimey cheat by the cockroach.
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The RNC/DNC are in an active partnership against the will of the American people. Not hyperbole or rhetoric, it is fact. Both will do anything, anything at all to maintain their desparate grasp on power, regardless of what the stupid, unwashed masses want.
They are a criminal enterprise in it together. Nothing could prove it more than this slimey cheat by the cockroach.
The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.
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The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.
That truth is becoming more obvious every day.
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So all the Dems who got him the nomination are going to vote Pub in the election? What a stupid old fool!
He locked out the Tea Party by guranteeing
his own defeat!
If I ever meet this slimey bastard, I will punch him in his antebellum era nose.
Does the word retire exist anymore? Why do politician even have pensions, since they are all determined to die at their desk, at a hundred years old, and on a conference call?
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That truth is becoming more obvious every day.
Here's the pictorial version of the GOP...
(http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s658/GourmetDan/e60c8f3d-617e-476d-b986-3a667b81cd5d_zps0089fd44.png)
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If I ever meet this slimey bastard, I will punch him in his antebellum era nose.
Make sure he isn't engaged in any 'indecent acts with animals' first.
What has been seen cannot be un-seen...
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The GOP-e stole the election by actively campaigning with Democrats and hiring black activists to get their people to the polls to vote for Cochran. This is a new low, even for the RINOs and Roveites. The crossover Democrats helped send this old fossil back to the Senate so he can vote for amnesty, gun control, more pork, and who knows what else.
When the GOP calls me asking for money, I will tell them to call the Democrats since they already are using them to influence primaries.
What they did in Mississippi is a BLATANT violation of party rules and I will guarantee you that they will hear about it!
(It is against the rules for the party to take a position in a contested primary.)
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Message sent. This seat will go to the demonrats.
It would have been a very smart move for Palin and others to go into the minority community and show them what the republicans have to offer. Simply appealing to ultra conservatives is not going to work. Either we expand our message or we lose.
This was a stolen election because the republicans wrote off the black voters.
WAKE UP
No it won't. Childers is an Obama Democrat and Cochran will crush him. Mississippi conservatives are not going to throw a tantrum and sit out the election, like some of the dopes on this and other websites are advocating.
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What they did in Mississippi is a BLATANT violation of party rules and I will guarantee you that they will hear about it!
(It is against the rules for the party to take a position in a contested primary.)
Uh, no it's not. An open primary means anybody can vote who hasn't already voted in another party's primary. If Mississippi Republicans don't like open primaries, they can urge the state party to close them.
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I don't know Mississippi politics very well, but from what can gather - it is a majority Republican state and the Republican party will probably have an easy victory this fall - whether Cochran or McDaniel had been the winner of the (R) primary.
Sooooooo - if what I am reading is true, then these Democrat voters that voted for Cochran - and put him over the top BARELY - were wooed with promises that Cochran will pull through for them. Amnesty, Obamacare, Foreign Policy, large government spending and lots and lots of social spending...................these Democrat voters and the status quo Republicans that gave Cochran his victory WANT THESE THINGS.
This is what I assume happened to a large extent here in my state of Kentucky with Mitch McConnell and Matt Bevin, and this is what we who identify as fiscal conservatives are up against. It's hard to defeat Santa Claus with promises that we will make you work for what you have. It's hard to beat free stuff and that is our challenge.
Cochran and the GOPe that helped him win - are progressives, they're just too slimey to come out and say it. I hate them worse than I hate Democrats.
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these Democrat voters that voted for Cochran - and put him over the top BARELY - were wooed with promises that Cochran will pull through for them.
Bloomberg's anti-gun group gave Cochran lots of money, so perhaps Dems also are expecting Thad to support gun-grabbing.
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Bloomberg's anti-gun group gave Cochran lots of money, so perhaps Dems also are expecting Thad to support gun-grabbing.
Absolutely right! These people don't give their votes and money away for FREE - they WILL get something in return. My Dad told me when he was a boy in Pike County, Kentucky - the price of a vote was a bottle of whiskey. The price has gone way up now.
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This was a stolen election because the republicans wrote off the black voters.
It was stolen because the Republican establishment sold out their principles for their vote. Cochran won this election with pork.
Another poster posted recently that somehow, if we reached out to those demographics, they would somehow vote for conservatives. Well, Thad Cochran "reached out" all right and gave them exactly what they want. More government dependency. If that's the only way to win over that demographic, well…
We're dealing with a corrupt electorate.
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(apologies to Chief)
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Uh, no it's not. An open primary means anybody can vote who hasn't already voted in another party's primary. If Mississippi Republicans don't like open primaries, they can urge the state party to close them.
I'm not talking about how the primary is conducted but rather about the Republican party favoring one candidate over another in it you twit!
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The RNC/DNC are in an active partnership against the will of the American people. Not hyperbole or rhetoric, it is fact. Both will do anything, anything at all to maintain their desparate grasp on power, regardless of what the stupid, unwashed masses want.
They are a criminal enterprise in it together. Nothing could prove it more than this slimey cheat by the cockroach.
The "will of the American people" is expressed by their votes.
That seems to be an ingredient "true conservatives" have the most difficulty with; e.g. getting the MOST votes. Hence they sometimes don't even get beyond their own party's primary.
You get MORE votes by being the choice of MORE voters. Many would say that is achieved by broadening their appeal.
A new approach for true conservatives would be following in Reagan's path; common sense appeal, including independents and democrats, and being gracious to all.
Remember Reagan democrats? I do. I guess Cochran has in mind being Senator for all the citizens of his state, not just a narrow minority.
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The "will of the American people" is expressed by their votes.
That seems to be an ingredient "true conservatives" have the most difficulty with; e.g. getting the MOST votes. Hence they sometimes don't even get beyond their own party's primary.
You get MORE votes by being the choice of MORE voters. Many would say that is achieved by broadening their appeal.
A new approach for true conservatives would be following in Reagan's path; common sense appeal, including independents and democrats, and being gracious to all.
Remember Reagan democrats? I do. I guess Cochran has in mind being Senator for all the citizens of his state, not just a narrow minority.
Yeah, because a majority of Americans are clamoring for amnesty and gun control, right?
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The "will of the American people" is expressed by their votes.
That seems to be an ingredient "true conservatives" have the most difficulty with; e.g. getting the MOST votes. Hence they sometimes don't even get beyond their own party's primary.
You get MORE votes by being the choice of MORE voters. Many would say that is achieved by broadening their appeal.
A new approach for true conservatives would be following in Reagan's path; common sense appeal, including independents and democrats, and being gracious to all.
Remember Reagan democrats? I do. I guess Cochran has in mind being Senator for all the citizens of his state, not just a narrow minority.
So we "true conservatives" should simply shut our mouths and just ignore the fact that many of the votes cast in this election were illegal due to the voters casting them having already voted in the DEMOCRAT primary?
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Bloomberg's anti-gun group gave Cochran lots of money, so perhaps Dems also are expecting Thad to support gun-grabbing.
He won't. He never has. There's not going to be ANY additional gun control efforts.
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I'm not talking about how the primary is conducted but rather about the Republican party favoring one candidate over another in it you twit!
Twit? LOL!!
The Republican party favored Cochran because he will crush Childers. McDaniel has more skeletons than a cemetery and would likely have lost to Childers.
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So we "true conservatives" should simply shut our mouths and just ignore the fact that many of the votes cast in this election were illegal due to the voters casting them having already voted in the DEMOCRAT primary?
Or looking at it my way, unable to get the most votes, conservatives resort to their most oft complaint of being victims.
And the hypocrisy of chuckling with vigor, when Limbo urged "conservatives" to meddle in democrat primaries -- "Operation Chaos.". Remember?
https://www.google.com/search?q=limbaugh+hillary+operation+chaos&oq=limbaugh+hillary+operation+chaos&gs_l=serp.12...14261.16021.0.42928.6.6.0.0.0.0.134.703.0j6.6.0.chm_pq_qw%2Chmrde%3D0%2Chmffs%3D10%2Chmffl%3D3%2Chmffmp%3D0-9...0...1.1.48.serp..5.1.134.wKpZG8omR90
The piece of the process that eludes true conservatives: Winning the most votes, plain and simple.
Instead we get victimhood claims, whining and hypocrisy.
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Or looking at it my way, unable to get the most votes, conservatives resort to their most oft complaint of being victims.
And the hypocrisy of chuckling with vigor, when Limbo urged "conservatives" to meddle in democrat primaries -- "Operation Chaos.". Remember?
https://www.google.com/search?q=limbaugh+hillary+operation+chaos&oq=limbaugh+hillary+operation+chaos&gs_l=serp.12...14261.16021.0.42928.6.6.0.0.0.0.134.703.0j6.6.0.chm_pq_qw%2Chmrde%3D0%2Chmffs%3D10%2Chmffl%3D3%2Chmffmp%3D0-9...0...1.1.48.serp..5.1.134.wKpZG8omR90
The piece of the process that eludes true conservatives: Winning the most votes, plain and simple.
Instead we get victimhood claims, whining and hypocrisy.
Or put another way, "By any means necessary!"
Seems to me I'v heard that somewhere before!
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Or looking at it my way, unable to get the most votes, conservatives resort to their most oft complaint of being victims.
And the hypocrisy of chuckling with vigor, when Limbo urged "conservatives" to meddle in democrat primaries -- "Operation Chaos.". Remember?
And it failed. Remember? No brokered convention, no prolonged or bruising primary battle, and Obama ended up so much more resilient he won election in 2008 AND, despite royally screwing up the country, got re-elected in 2012.
The piece of the process that eludes true conservatives: Winning the most votes, plain and simple.
The whole premise operates on a legitimate election process, which is suspect, and an uncorrupted electorate, which is laughable.
Instead we get victimhood claims, whining and hypocrisy.
Stalin would be proud.
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Twit? LOL!!
The Republican party favored Cochran because he will crush Childers. McDaniel has more skeletons than a cemetery and would likely have lost to Childers.
For the Tea Party faction, winning general elections takes a backseat, to their obsessive quest to replace Republicans.
Their mission, strategy and tactics are not fully refined or properly focused. In their frustration, you hear many of them now threatening to vote for democrats.
They would scold me, for hassling them. I have no respect for anybody that votes, or threatens to vote for democrats, plain and simple.
In virtually EVERY contest, the Republican will be MORE conservative than the democrat.
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For the Tea Party faction, winning general elections takes a backseat, to their obsessive quest to replace Republicans.
Their mission, strategy and tactics are not fully refined or properly focused. In their frustration, you hear many of them now threatening to vote for democrats.
They would scold me, for hassling them. I have no respect for anybody that votes, or threatens to vote for democrats, plain and simple.
In virtually EVERY contest, the Republican will be MORE conservative than the democrat.
If nothing else, so long as a republican, no matter how "liberal" can be whipped into staying with the GOP caucus and not pulling a Spectre and switching parties, that "liberal" republican still contributes to the nose count that determines which party controls each side of Congress. And that is extremely important because the party that controls the Senate or the House gets to set the legislative agenda and, by and large, determine which bills come up for a vote and which do not. That power, in turn, if used wisely, can mostly blunt the danger that a too-liberal republican will vote with the democrats all the time by preventing a vote on those controversial bills that the too-liberal republican is most likely to vote with the democrats on.
That this can be a vitally powerful tool has been demonstrated ad nauseam by Harry "tinpot dictator" Reid and his iron-fisted control over the Senate and its legislative agenda.
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If nothing else, so long as a republican, no matter how "liberal" can be whipped into staying with the GOP caucus and not pulling a Spectre and switching parties, that "liberal" republican still contributes to the nose count that determines which party controls each side of Congress. And that is extremely important because the party that controls the Senate or the House gets to set the legislative agenda and, by and large, determine which bills come up for a vote and which do not. That power, in turn, if used wisely, can mostly blunt the danger that a too-liberal republican will vote with the democrats all the time by preventing a vote on those controversial bills that the too-liberal republican is most likely to vote with the democrats on.
That this can be a vitally powerful tool has been demonstrated ad nauseam by Harry "tinpot dictator" Reid and his iron-fisted control over the Senate and its legislative agenda.
Ordinarialy yes, I would agree with you. But the magnitude of what cockroach did is quaking across the country. This was no ordinary tactic, at least not by a Republican against another Republican.
No. This is exceptional. Thad has got to go. As his own Liberal-Democrat philosophy says, "by any means necessary".
Either you stand for something or you stand for nothing. There is no way people of good conscience can let this tactic and behavior stand. This was scummyest trick I have ever seen. He leveraged rules which were intended to depend on honor to subvert honor, and to win at all costs.
And anyway, he can always run again as a Liberal Democrat, you know, when he is 97 years old.
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Another aspect of this is that what he did is a scarlet letter on his forehead. He made history and this kind of devious, underhanded tactic will always be known as getting cockroached.
So how effective could his political career be from here on out. He is a dead man politically. Who could ever trust this guy? or depend on anything he says?
He has no honor. He has no conscience. He has no soul.
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Cochran's tactics and smears of McDaniel are disgusting, and should not be supported by anyone who considers themselves anything other than a Democrat.
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Another aspect of this is that what he did is a scarlet letter on his forehead. He made history and this kind of devious, underhanded tactic will always be known as getting cockroached.
So how effective could his political career be from here on out. He is a dead man politically. Who could ever trust this guy? or depend on anything he says?
He has no honor. He has no conscience. He has no soul.
Your hyperbole, in both of your posts, is breathtaking.
Thad Cochran is the GOP nominee for Senate from Mississippi and will win the election. He has no "scarlet letter" except to a few Tea Partiers. Thad Cochran is not a high profile Republican, but he votes reliably conservative. That's all any of us should expect of him. He's a "dead man politically" only if you think a sitting Senator who wins a primary runoff and will win the general election is finished in politics.
He might be finished in six years, but he's far from finished now.
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Cochran's tactics and smears of McDaniel are disgusting, and should not be supported by anyone who considers themselves anything other than a Democrat.
So taking advantage of Mississippi Republican primary rules is "disgusting"? And where did Cochran "smear" anybody? He is not responsible for what outside groups do.
McDaniel got outhustled. I've read today that the McDaniel campaign was totally unprepared for a runoff; they thought they were going to win the primary outright.
I don't really give a damn who represents Mississippi in the Senate as long as it's a Republican. You could put a fence around Mississippi and call it a zoo.
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And where did Cochran "smear" anybody? He is not responsible for what outside groups do.
He took their money, so yes, he is responsible in my eyes. I don't care about him legally bussing in black Democrats to vote; it's well within the rules. I do think that McDaniel can run as a write-in candidate and make a convincing case to GOP voters in Mississippi.
Unlike you, I disdain smear tactics, no matter if done by the "GOPe," or the "Tea Party."
I lost all respect for Thad Cochran, and I'm guessing many voters in MS feel the same way.
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He took their money, so yes, he is responsible in my eyes. I don't care about him legally bussing in black Democrats to vote; it's well within the rules. I do think that McDaniel can run as a write-in candidate and make a convincing case to GOP voters in Mississippi.
Unlike you, I disdain smear tactics, no matter if done by the "GOPe," or the "Tea Party."
I lost all respect for Thad Cochran, and I'm guessing many voters in MS feel the same way.
What "smear tactics"? You never defined what you mean by that nor gave any examples.
McDaniel will get killed as a write-in candidate. The consensus is that Cochran will win the general. I'd bet some of those African-Americans who voted for him will vote for him again. Childers brings NOTHING to the table.
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What "smear tactics"? You never defined what you mean by that nor gave any examples.
McDaniel will get killed as a write-in candidate. The consensus is that Cochran will win the general. I'd bet some of those African-Americans who voted for him will vote for him again. Childers brings NOTHING to the table.
You're not being serious, are you?
http://twitchy.com/2014/06/24/ms-senate-primary-pro-cochran-ads-accuse-mcdaniel-tea-party-of-racism-pics-audio/
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bq7kY9wCUAAkllF.jpg)
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He took their money, so yes, he is responsible in my eyes. I don't care about him legally bussing in black Democrats to vote; it's well within the rules. I do think that McDaniel can run as a write-in candidate and make a convincing case to GOP voters in Mississippi.
Unlike you, I disdain smear tactics, no matter if done by the "GOPe," or the "Tea Party."
I lost all respect for Thad Cochran, and I'm guessing many voters in MS feel the same way.
that's an interesting proposition: if I get money from someone else I suddenly become responsible for whatever else that person happens to do? A moment's reflection should point out how illogical that conclusion is: if I got money from OJ Simpson just before he murdered Nicole, does that make me responsible for Nicole's murder?
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You're not being serious, are you?
http://twitchy.com/2014/06/24/ms-senate-primary-pro-cochran-ads-accuse-mcdaniel-tea-party-of-racism-pics-audio/
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bq7kY9wCUAAkllF.jpg)
Cochran supported this mailer? You know that for a fact?
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More smear tactics on radio ads. Cochran did not denounce any of this stuff. :shrug:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZzXi2PnGJs
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Cochran supported this mailer? You know that for a fact?
He didn't denounce the mailer, which was sent to black communities prior to the run-off. That's de facto support, IMO. You can spin it anyway you want, and I tend to be anti-kooky Tea Party candidates. In my eyes, Cochran is a piece of s**t who is a part of the problems facing this country.
When the going got tough, he acted like a Democrat by allowing surrogates to smear his opponent as a racist.
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that's an interesting proposition: if I get money from someone else I suddenly become responsible for whatever else that person happens to do? A moment's reflection should point out how illogical that conclusion is: if I got money from OJ Simpson just before he murdered Nicole, does that make me responsible for Nicole's murder?
Wouldn't the smart thing to do be to denounce these flyers and radio ads smearing your fellow GOP member as a racist? How hard would it be to denounce OJ after his murders? Most honorable people would, and did, that exact same thing.
Silence is as bad as support. I'd still respect Cochran had he blasted whoever was behind these mailers. Instead, he sat in silence, and those votes put him over the top. He's no better than a Charlie Crist.
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Charles C. Johnson
@ChuckCJohnson
Friends I have the smoking gun that shows Haley Barbour & his Super PAC was behind racist anti-McDaniel material. It's coming... #mssen
Apparently Mark Levin, who usually I can't stand because of his anger, also has possession of a document proving Barbour's SuperPAC was behind the flyer and the ads. Which basically means it was done with the support of Cochran's people...
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He didn't denounce the mailer, which was sent to black communities prior to the run-off. That's de facto support, IMO. You can spin it anyway you want, and I tend to be anti-kooky Tea Party candidates. In my eyes, Cochran is a piece of s**t who is a part of the problems facing this country.
When the going got tough, he acted like a Democrat by allowing surrogates to smear his opponent as a racist.
Candidates would be doing nothing BUT denouncing ads running in their names if they had to do that to every one.
Let me ask you a question: Are any of the things the mailer accuses McDaniel of untrue?
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Apparently Mark Levin, who usually I can't stand because of his anger, also has possession of a document proving Barbour's SuperPAC was behind the flyer and the ads. Which basically means it was done with the support of Cochran's people...
Good. Let him put it out there. Levin is a big-mouthed bloviator, but if he has the proof, do it. In fact, why hasn't he done it already? Nobody's going to care in three or four days.
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Let me ask you a question: Are any of the things the mailer accuses McDaniel of untrue?
I don't know. Does the Tea Party use the terms "Democrats" and "African-Americans" as interchangeable synonyms? I highly doubt it. Do you think that's true?
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Claim from the flyer.
"We know that the Tea Party uses "Democrats" as code for "African-Americans."
Do you agree with this, sinkspur? Do you find it to be truthful? I have to say that I've never on this board seen any of the Tea Party group here use those words in that manner.
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Nobody can seriously claim that Cockroach won. He did not win the "Republican" primary. He won the Democrat primary of who the Democrats want the Republican to be.
There is no question that he 'cheated', at least ethically, and possibly criminally. The bottom line is that he is illegitimate, by any normal standards of honorable behavior and conduct.
The man is a disgrace to his Party, to his State, to his Country, to his religion, to his family, and most of all, to himself. He should do us all a favor and go and kill himself. He is a pathetic POS!
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Nobody can seriously claim that Cockroach won. He did not win the "Republican" primary. He won the Democrat primary of who the Democrats want the Republican to be.
There is no question that he 'cheated', at least ethically, and possibly criminally. The bottom line is that he is illegitimate, by any normal standards of honorable behavior and conduct.
The man is a disgrace to his Party, to his State, to his Country, to his religion, to his family, and most of all, to himself. He should do us all a favor and go and kill himself. He is a pathetic POS!
He used legal means to win the primary. I don't see how a legal challenge works by McDaniel.
The real shame is the tactics he used to win the primary. He's an entrenched GOP pol who just took a gigantic dump on a life-long Republican by allowing McDaniel to be labeled a racist by surrogates. This is one of the main reasons many are so upset with DC, and seeing a poster like sinkspur, who I've respected for years dating back to TOS, seemingly support these Dem tactics of personal destruction against a fellow GOP candidate is a real disappointment for me. :shrug:
I've called out these same tactics when lesser Tea Party candidates have used them, too.
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He used legal means to win the primary. I don't see how a legal challenge works by McDaniel.
The real shame is the tactics he used to win the primary. He's an entrenched GOP pol who just took a gigantic dump on a life-long Republican by allowing McDaniel to be labeled a racist by surrogates. This is one of the main reasons many are so upset with DC, and seeing a poster like sinkspur, who I've respected for years dating back to TOS, seemingly support these Dem tactics of personal destruction against a fellow GOP candidate is a real disappointment for me. :shrug:
I've called out these same tactics when lesser Tea Party candidates have used them, too.
He subverted 'legal' rules which were designed for people of ethical and moral standing, which he has none. What he did may be "legal", but it was a legal dirty trick.
Nobody is slapping him on the back at the GOP. Even the GOPe is saying, "Damn man!, I know you went there, but damn, I could not have done it."
He went there. He crossed the third rail. Politically speaking, win or lose, he is a dead man, or you might say, a man living with no honor and no soul.
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He subverted 'legal' rules which were designed for people of ethical and moral standing, which he has none. What he did may be "legal", but it was a legal dirty trick.
Nobody is slapping him on the back at the GOP. Even the GOPe is saying, "Damn man!, I know you went there, but damn, I could not have done it."
He went there. He crossed the third rail. Politically speaking, win or lose, he is a dead man, or you might say, a man living with no honor and no soul.
None of that was illegal, which is my point. It's why I find talk of a legal challenge to be a waste of time. Did you even read my posts?
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yeah, I read it. I was addressing you and agree with you, even about sink. I did not mean to contradict you.
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I don't know. Does the Tea Party use the terms "Democrats" and "African-Americans" as interchangeable synonyms? I highly doubt it. Do you think that's true?
You don't know?
Well, they are all true. So, is repeating something that's true a "smear"? How can that be?
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Claim from the flyer.
"We know that the Tea Party uses "Democrats" as code for "African-Americans."
Do you agree with this, sinkspur? Do you find it to be truthful? I have to say that I've never on this board seen any of the Tea Party group here use those words in that manner.
No.
Did some of McDaniel's operatives get into Cochran's wife's room and take pictures of her? What in hell was that all about?
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No.
Did some of McDaniel's operatives get into Cochran's wife's room and take pictures of her? What in hell was that all about?
I don't know, but I do know that McDaniel denounced it immediately, and nothing came of it. Not quite the same as sending mailers to black communities calling your GOP opponent a racist, though.
You're losing me here. I always thought you were objective. Guess not.
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Nobody can seriously claim that Cockroach won. He did not win the "Republican" primary. He won the Democrat primary of who the Democrats want the Republican to be.
There is no question that he 'cheated', at least ethically, and possibly criminally. The bottom line is that he is illegitimate, by any normal standards of honorable behavior and conduct.
The man is a disgrace to his Party, to his State, to his Country, to his religion, to his family, and most of all, to himself. He should do us all a favor and go and kill himself. He is a pathetic POS!
You're a hysterical jackanape who shouldn't be allowed in public without a harness and a leash.
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I don't know, but I do know that McDaniel denounced it immediately, and nothing came of it. Not quite the same as sending mailers to black communities calling your GOP opponent a racist, though.
You're losing me here. I always thought you were objective. Guess not.
In fact, he DIDN'T deny it immediately. When it was brought to his attention, he put off the reporter for two hours and, later, when he was asked about it in an interview, said "Well, we had a lot going on."
I don't really care about that. What I do care about is winning the Senate, and McDaniel's past would have fed a media meme that he's a crazy racist.
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I don't know, but I do know that McDaniel denounced it immediately, and nothing came of it. Not quite the same as sending mailers to black communities calling your GOP opponent a racist, though.
You're losing me here. I always thought you were objective. Guess not.
I AM objective.
Where's Levin's evidence that Haley Barbour was behind those ads? If he has it, why not produce it NOW, when it would have maximum effect?
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Now I have to listen to all the far left loons, like sinkspur, come on TV and the internet and defend the Cockroach.
Now listen, we have far left lunatics, defending, Thad Cockroach. What does that say? We now have the Liberal far-Left brand of Democrats "defending" a Republican! Jesus! Are you blind?
Cockroach sold his soul to the Democrats to win. And not only did he sell his honor, his dignity, his life, and his soul to the Democrats, but he signed it with his own blood. He sold his soul to the devil, and now they are defending him.
He is now officially a Liberal Democrat, regardless of whatever letter he decides to put in front of his name. I hope he goes down in flames. I hope he goes straight to hell.
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This guy is the political version of Bowe Bergdahl. He pretends to be on one side, but when attacked, like an Iraqi, he folds up his uniform and joins the other side. Anything to stay alive brother, anything to win!
Any true Republican who votes for this meaningless, old, POS, deserves what they get. And that is, more Liberal-Democrat agenda.
He is NOT a Republican. He is a power politics money-monger. Party titles mean nothing to him.
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Thad Cochran will win the general election over Childers. He is NOT going down in flames..
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Now I have to listen to all the far left loons, like sinkspur, come on TV and the internet and defend the Cockroach.
Now listen, we have far left lunatics, defending, Thad Cockroach. What does that say? We now have the Liberal far-Left brand of Democrats "defending" a Republican! Jesus! Are you blind?
Cockroach sold his soul to the Democrats to win. And not only did he sell his honor, his dignity, his life, and his soul to the Democrats, but he signed it with his own blood. He sold his soul to the devil, and now they are defending him.
He is now officially a Liberal Democrat, regardless of whatever letter he decides to put in front of his name. I hope he goes down in flames. I hope he goes straight to hell.
You should stop. You come across as a babbling fool.
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Thad Cochran will win the general election over Childers. He is NOT going down in flames..
I read your post about a nose count. But, if you were not so myopic maybe you could see past the nose.
This guy is a disgrace. He is not worthy of the title, 'Republican'. 13th commandment? When is enough, enough?
He has to go. He has done something that nobody thought was even possible. All to win, at any cost.
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I read your post about a nose count. But, if you were not so myopic maybe you could see past the nose.
This guy is a disgrace. He is not worthy of the title, 'Republican'. 13th commandment? When is enough, enough?
He has to go. He has done something that nobody thought was even possible. All to win, at any cost.
He is not going "to go." Cochran is going to win another six year term.
Your guy got out hustled.
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When Limbo urged such pranks, conservatives thought it was really cool.
Now they paint themselves, as they frequently do, as victims.
Perzactly.
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He is not going "to go." Cochran is going to win another six year term.
Your guy got out hustled.
Well, you got me. That is exactly what we need. That is, by your own definition, another "hustler" politician. Congratulations, for what it is worth.
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Perzactly.
First, what Rush said as his Operation Chaos was a joke. It was never meant to importune actual action.
Second, realizing the sarcasm, no one actually did it.
Third, Rush never asked for RoboCalls claiming Hillary is a racist, as the cockroach did. Rush never said Hillary hates Black people and does not want them to vote, as the cockroach did.
No. Nothing Rush ever said can compare to what happened. Rush was kidding around. This guy did it for real. He did operation chaos in a very real, and nasty, and disgusting way.
This is nothing like anything Rush, or me, would ever, ever, do. He crossed lines that can never be uncrossed.
It is one thing to joke around and have fun, but that is not what cockroach was doing. He took it to another level.
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McDaniels was never going to win the Senate seat. A vote for McDaniels is a vote for Harry Reid as Senate majority leader. Is that really what so many of you want to see?
There is a gold mine of irresponsible comments from McDaniels' radio show, and the dims would make sure that everyone heard them. Cochran used some of them, but they were only the tip of the iceberg. How many of these "pure" conservatives do we need to see lose GOP seats before we look for electable GOPers first?
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McDaniels was never going to win the Senate seat. A vote for McDaniels is a vote for Harry Reid as Senate majority leader. Is that really what so many of you want to see?
There is a gold mine of irresponsible comments from McDaniels' radio show, and the dims would make sure that everyone heard them. Cochran used some of them, but they were only the tip of the iceberg. How many of these "pure" conservatives do we need to see lose GOP seats before we look for electable GOPers first?
The so called Tea Party is being led around by a few entertainers (talk radio stars) and fundraisers.
It suits both to continue with the paradigm of replacing Republicans with other Republicans.
What is missing is good judgment, skill, priorities, etc. When they fail, they claim victimhood.
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You don't know?
Well, they are all true. So, is repeating something that's true a "smear"? How can that be?
Wow. Didn't expect this from you. Does saying something that can't be disproved now constitute truth to you?
When was the last time you hit your wife? It's not a smear, because it's a question.
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You people are useless. You are a waste of time.
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You're a hysterical jackanape who shouldn't be allowed in public without a harness and a leash.
What's really weird is that I agreed with you on the Tea Party smearing GOP incumbents. Now, you've flipped, and I can see the same tactics used by the GOP against McDaniel in an objective manner.
It makes you hypocritical to me, in terms of how you are posting about similar tactics, but with 2 different groups involved.
PLEASE NOTE: I don't consider you a Democrat, and I find those accusations hurled at you to be frustrating, because based on your long history of posting, you're a true Republican, and believe in small federal gov't, states' rights, and not interfering in other citizens' social lives by trying to legislate morality.
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Oh! ye'll take the high road and. I'll take the low road, And I'll be in the Senate afore ye
I don't recall conservative tears when Cantor lost because rats voted in the open primary in VA. Mmmgander sauce.
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Your guy got out hustled.
You use that phrase as if it is a good thing.
Last I heard, "hustling" was a term pool sharks use to con their opponents. It's a shady, dirty practice and represents everything that is wrong with politics.
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You use that phrase as if it is a good thing.
Last I heard, "hustling" was a term pool sharks use to con their opponents. It's a shady, dirty practice and represents everything that is wrong with politics.
Come on.....
We all know what the term "being out hustled" means. :whistle:
Want to stop the bullshit? Stop "open" primaries.
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Y'all should sit back, click on Netflix, and settle into a 24 hour Andy Griffith show marathon. Nothing like hearing Barney sing, "Nitta, Juanita." Settles the stomach. Thad who?
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Y'all should sit back, click on Netflix, and settle into a 24 hour Andy Griffith show marathon. Nothing like hearing Barney sing, "Nitta, Juanita." Settles the stomach. Thad who?
:laugh: I prefer Gunsmoke or Have Gun Will Travel reruns......never too old for a 30 minute moral lesson.
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" Stop "open" primaries."
There's the key.
I do not understand the rationale for any system that allows dimocrats to vote in a pubbie primary.
Somebody 'splane it to me.
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There's the key.
I do not understand the rationale for any system that allows dimocrats to vote in a pubbie primary.
Somebody 'splane it to me.
Usually implemented when one party dominates local politics and the primary winner often runs unopposed in the general election.
Gives people who don't register with the dominant party a chance to vote, which otherwise would not be available.
Or so I'm told...
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McDaniels was never going to win the Senate seat. A vote for McDaniels is a vote for Harry Reid as Senate majority leader. Is that really what so many of you want to see?
There is a gold mine of irresponsible comments from McDaniels' radio show, and the dims would make sure that everyone heard them. Cochran used some of them, but they were only the tip of the iceberg. How many of these "pure" conservatives do we need to see lose GOP seats before we look for electable GOPers first?
Would you be kind enough to explain to us members of the great unwashed just how you made that great leap! I happen to think that he would win in a walk but I'm not one of those who will accept anything with an R beside his name and call it a win!
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Wow. Didn't expect this from you. Does saying something that can't be disproved now constitute truth to you?
When was the last time you hit your wife? It's not a smear, because it's a question.
Where is the evidence that this flier was distributed by someone from Cochran's campaign? If Levin has the evidence, why doesn't he produce it?
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What's really weird is that I agreed with you on the Tea Party smearing GOP incumbents. Now, you've flipped, and I can see the same tactics used by the GOP against McDaniel in an objective manner.
It makes you hypocritical to me, in terms of how you are posting about similar tactics, but with 2 different groups involved.
PLEASE NOTE: I don't consider you a Democrat, and I find those accusations hurled at you to be frustrating, because based on your long history of posting, you're a true Republican, and believe in small federal gov't, states' rights, and not interfering in other citizens' social lives by trying to legislate morality.
The tactics are repellant and even more so if done by someone involved in Cochran's campaign. But they are no more repellant than McDaniel's boys taking pics of Cochran's wife. Nobody believes that McDaniel didn't know about it.
Has McDaniel made marginally racist comments on his radio show? He has and those would have blasted all over the airwaves had he won.
You want me to denounce the tactics, I denounce them. Now provide the proof that Cochran was behind them.
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You use that phrase as if it is a good thing.
Last I heard, "hustling" was a term pool sharks use to con their opponents. It's a shady, dirty practice and represents everything that is wrong with politics.
"Hustling" means moving faster than the other guy. McDaniel was caught flat-footed in the runoff. Surely he knew that Haley Barbour and the RNC were going to pull out all the stops to save Cochran.
He needs to put on his big boy pants and do better next time.
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"Hustling" means moving faster than the other guy. McDaniel was caught flat-footed in the runoff. Surely he knew that Haley Barbour and the RNC were going to pull out all the stops to save Cochran.
He needs to put on his big boy pants and do better next time.
In this context, I think "hustling" included the use of race-baiting phone calls and speaker-truck announcements directed at poor black Democrats. And don't tell me that MS GOP had nothing to do with it - they paid for it with campaign funds from other US Senators.
Disgusting.
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In this context, I think "hustling" included the use of race-baiting phone calls and speaker-truck announcements directed at poor black Democrats. And don't tell me that MS GOP had nothing to do with it - they paid for it with campaign funds from other US Senators.
Disgusting.
Damned right they did and EVERYONE knows it including the GOPe apologists here!
http://spectator.org/articles/59766/who-paid-race-baiting-flier-mississippi
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Damned right they did and EVERYONE knows it including the GOPe apologists here!
The lack of principled men is what got us to this place and yet some will argue that acting against your principles will get us out...
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The lack of principled men is what got us to this place and yet some will argue that acting against your principles will get us out...
:amen: :amen: and :amen:
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The lack of principled men is what got us to this place and yet some will argue that acting against your principles will get us out...
Well said.
In additon, they will berate you as being too dull to understand if you don't buy their argument. It has a lot of the John F'in Kerry "nuanced" statement feel to it.
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Y'all should sit back, click on Netflix, and settle into a 24 hour Andy Griffith show marathon. Nothing like hearing Barney sing, "Nitta, Juanita." Settles the stomach. Thad who?
I'm sorry, but when you get to the point where the Republican Party has joined the Democratic Party in sending this country into the gutter for their own selfish purposes, distraction and ignorance only makes it worse. Distraction and ignorance is how this country's populace got to the point where it is today— mind-numbed fools.
And not one politician will call them out on it.
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as with sausages and law, so with politics in general: those with weak stomachs ought not watch them being made
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as with sausages and law, so with politics in general: those with weak stomachs ought not watch them being made
Having lived through the Vietnam era as a young draft eligible guy, the Nixon impeachment, the Carter years, post 9-11, now Obama and the current distress over the GOPe as it is commonly called by the right, I expect the Republic will actually survive.
My ancestors all had the grit to cross the Atlantic in wooden vessels, sails for power, then cross the continent, often in wagons or ships around the horn, I am amused by what constitutes "hardship" in some eyes.
With ancestor that fought in the Revolution, the Civil War, WWI and WWII, I am not alarmed so much as the perpetually worried screechers, on the interwebs.
If not dreadfully afraid and panicked, what would there to talk about?
What is there to justifiably worry about? A friend and former boss died at only age 70, of some rare blood cancer. He had expected to live for many more years. He had money, a bayfront 4,000 sq. ft. 3 story house, a 40 ft. sail boat, a beautiful and brilliant wife, etc.
Your life, quality of life, lives of family and friends, are what counts. This worry over the political news is largely manufactured by the news industry, to keep you agitated, scrambling back to the boob tube, now the interwebs, to hear entertainers that wind you up.
Chill, smell the flowers, this too shall pass.
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Well said.
In additon, they will berate you as being too dull to understand if you don't buy their argument. .....
That post pissed me off too, Relic.
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Having lived through the Vietnam era as a young draft eligible guy, the Nixon impeachment, the Carter years, post 9-11, now Obama and the current distress over the GOPe as it is commonly called by the right, I expect the Republic will actually survive.
My ancestors all had the grit to cross the Atlantic in wooden vessels, sails for power, then cross the continent, often in wagons or ships around the horn, I am amused by what constitutes "hardship" in some eyes.
With ancestor that fought in the Revolution, the Civil War, WWI and WWII, I am not alarmed so much as the perpetually worried screechers, on the interwebs.
If not dreadfully afraid and panicked, what would there to talk about?
What is there to justifiably worry about? A friend and former boss died at only age 70, of some rare blood cancer. He had expected to live for many more years. He had money, a bayfront 4,000 sq. ft. 3 story house, a 40 ft. sail boat, a beautiful and brilliant wife, etc.
Your life, quality of life, lives of family and friends, are what counts. This worry over the political news is largely manufactured by the news industry, to keep you agitated, scrambling back to the boob tube, now the interwebs, to hear entertainers that wind you up.
Chill, smell the flowers, this too shall pass.
Bravo, TS.....Bravo! :beer:
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Having lived through the Vietnam era as a young draft eligible guy, the Nixon impeachment, the Carter years, post 9-11, now Obama and the current distress over the GOPe as it is commonly called by the right, I expect the Republic will actually survive.
My ancestors all had the grit to cross the Atlantic in wooden vessels, sails for power, then cross the continent, often in wagons or ships around the horn, I am amused by what constitutes "hardship" in some eyes.
With ancestor that fought in the Revolution, the Civil War, WWI and WWII, I am not alarmed so much as the perpetually worried screechers, on the interwebs.
If not dreadfully afraid and panicked, what would there to talk about?
What is there to justifiably worry about? A friend and former boss died at only age 70, of some rare blood cancer. He had expected to live for many more years. He had money, a bayfront 4,000 sq. ft. 3 story house, a 40 ft. sail boat, a beautiful and brilliant wife, etc.
Your life, quality of life, lives of family and friends, are what counts. This worry over the political news is largely manufactured by the news industry, to keep you agitated, scrambling back to the boob tube, now the interwebs, to hear entertainers that wind you up.
Chill, smell the flowers, this too shall pass.
I want to thank you for that t_s. (I just deleted a dissertation). Suffice it to say, I find yours a hopeful message. I need that. Again, thanks.
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What is there to justifiably worry about?
Your life, quality of life, lives of family and friends, are what counts.
OK, I will address this.
Growing up, I dreamed of being a meteorologist. I went to school, got the degree, had good (admittedly not great) grades. Then the recession hit, just as I was graduating. I found myself getting totally ignored by the companies I wanted to work for, while those who were hired for the jobs were blonde bimbos with no credentials for the jobs. I had no way of getting into the field I had gambled thousands of dollars on being able to get into and was faced with either joining the military or giving up altogether. I've spent the last six years working the same job I had in high school.
Dating has been a nightmare. Every woman I have ever asked has turned me down. The last one said she would rather be single the rest of her life and saw nothing wrong with that picture; it's a scenario I see far too often in the women of modern society. Meanwhile I hear the gay lobby declaring marriage some "universal right" and forcing people no different from myself to kowtow to their demands against our conscience.
The government is taxing me for being in good health (admittedly one of my greatest blessings and one I never take for granted) and paying for what health needs I do have out of pocket instead of paying into an insurance pool I will not use.
The decline of western civilization is having a profound impact on my life. The basic things like a family and a decent middle-class career are vanishing before my eyes. That's why I am disgusted.
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OK, I will address this.
Growing up, I dreamed of being a meteorologist. I went to school, got the degree, had good (admittedly not great) grades. Then the recession hit, just as I was graduating. I found myself getting totally ignored by the companies I wanted to work for, while those who were hired for the jobs were blonde bimbos with no credentials for the jobs. I had no way of getting into the field I had gambled thousands of dollars on being able to get into and was faced with either joining the military or giving up altogether. I've spent the last six years working the same job I had in high school.
Dating has been a nightmare. Every woman I have ever asked has turned me down. The last one said she would rather be single the rest of her life and saw nothing wrong with that picture; it's a scenario I see far too often in the women of modern society. Meanwhile I hear the gay lobby declaring marriage some "universal right" and forcing people no different from myself to kowtow to their demands against our conscience.
The government is taxing me for being in good health (admittedly one of my greatest blessings and one I never take for granted) and paying for what health needs I do have out of pocket instead of paying into an insurance pool I will not use.
The decline of western civilization is having a profound impact on my life. The basic things like a family and a decent middle-class career are vanishing before my eyes. That's why I am disgusted.
Viz. dating: it sucks for most of us. Try speed dating; it's a lot of fun, there's a lot less pressure, and you know that all the women are there for the same reason you are. I'm not being flip; it's how I met my wife.
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OK, I will address this.
Growing up, I dreamed of being a meteorologist. I went to school, got the degree, had good (admittedly not great) grades. Then the recession hit, just as I was graduating. I found myself getting totally ignored by the companies I wanted to work for, while those who were hired for the jobs were blonde bimbos with no credentials for the jobs. I had no way of getting into the field I had gambled thousands of dollars on being able to get into and was faced with either joining the military or giving up altogether. I've spent the last six years working the same job I had in high school.
Dating has been a nightmare. Every woman I have ever asked has turned me down. The last one said she would rather be single the rest of her life and saw nothing wrong with that picture; it's a scenario I see far too often in the women of modern society. Meanwhile I hear the gay lobby declaring marriage some "universal right" and forcing people no different from myself to kowtow to their demands against our conscience.
The government is taxing me for being in good health (admittedly one of my greatest blessings and one I never take for granted) and paying for what health needs I do have out of pocket instead of paying into an insurance pool I will not use.
The decline of western civilization is having a profound impact on my life. The basic things like a family and a decent middle-class career are vanishing before my eyes. That's why I am disgusted.
Sometimes, you have to take a leap of faith. I was in a similar place, a quarter of a century ago - career going nowhere, just horribly miserable in the place I was (NYC), dating lots of women... to be honest... but they were uniformly empty, neurotic and obsessively controlling (NYC, again). I was having panic attacks and abusing multiple substances and it finally drove me in desperation to pack up a suitcase, abandon my apartment and move to a new city with nothing and I mean nothing to my name but what was in the single, beaten-up Samsonite I lugged off an Amtrak train at South Station, Boston.
I crashed at my sister's place, depressed, jobless and without prospects. I dried out. Two weeks later, I met the woman who would be my wife. 25 years ago, this October. I worked temp jobs and odd shifts until I got my foot in the door at John Hancock. A leap of faith, rewarded.
Best of luck, and keep your chin up.
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OK, I will address this.
Growing up, I dreamed of being a meteorologist. I went to school, got the degree, had good (admittedly not great) grades. Then the recession hit, just as I was graduating. I found myself getting totally ignored by the companies I wanted to work for, while those who were hired for the jobs were blonde bimbos with no credentials for the jobs. I had no way of getting into the field I had gambled thousands of dollars on being able to get into and was faced with either joining the military or giving up altogether. I've spent the last six years working the same job I had in high school.
Dating has been a nightmare. Every woman I have ever asked has turned me down. The last one said she would rather be single the rest of her life and saw nothing wrong with that picture; it's a scenario I see far too often in the women of modern society. Meanwhile I hear the gay lobby declaring marriage some "universal right" and forcing people no different from myself to kowtow to their demands against our conscience.
The government is taxing me for being in good health (admittedly one of my greatest blessings and one I never take for granted) and paying for what health needs I do have out of pocket instead of paying into an insurance pool I will not use.
The decline of western civilization is having a profound impact on my life. The basic things like a family and a decent middle-class career are vanishing before my eyes. That's why I am disgusted.
I truly feel for you brother. I'm working harder than I ever have just to tread water. You've got some legitimate grievances but then so do those blonde bimbos and gays. Even people who get their subsistence welfare from the government like social security, disability, unemployment, veteran benefits, tax sheltered solar businesses, military contractors, subsidized farmers, schools and teachers, government employees, parents, and home owners. Can anyone say they are NOT receiving some benefit from the tax payers. I can't. I get a substantial taxcut through the earned income tax credit just because I had 3 children and raised 2 more. What's more I think I would be a fool not to take it.
Just like the guy who milked unemployment till it ran out and then disability. He thinks he'd be a fool not to take it. and the rich widower who receives a SS check because she paid into it for 40 years. and the waitress on foodstamps. and the volunteer who lost his arm in Iraq. and the eco-nut who really believes his free solar panels will save the planet (the power is yours) and the drug dealing, prostitute single baby mamma of 3 different daddies with 5 Obamaphones. Not everyone agree that any of these people deserves a handup, but those who get a handout all agree they deserve it.
"I want to thank the United States of America, and the situation — the way things are set up," said Greenslate.
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/03/13/welfare-surfers-saga-continues-lobster-eating-food-stamps-recipient-refuses-hannitys-help
We have all become entangled at the teats of government largess
http://watchdogwire.com/florida/2012/07/06/government-largess-opiate-people/
At the same time, we are all taxed on our purchases of food, clothes, entertainment, gas and power, and homes. I can pretty much list anything that I can buy and it's taxed. and not just that...its taxes upon taxes we all pay.
If I buy a product, I am really paying the federal, state and local taxes of the people who made, transported or sold the product built into the purchase price...from the lowliest worker to the CEO of the company. This is because if business didn't have to pay the taxes then business wouldn't have to charge as much. And if the employees didn't have to pay taxes then the business wouldn't have to pay it's employee's as much. I am also paying for the import taxes on the raw materials used to make it and the energy used to build it, and for the federal, state, and local taxes on the people who mined the coal that generates the energy, and the taxes on the truck used to ship the product to store, and the people who made the truck, and the store property taxes...and so the cycle goes on and on. The great thing for government is the higher the taxes drive up the cost for the product the more money they collect in my taxes.
We all have some legitimate grievances, although I wouldn't want to be the one to defend the lobster eating welfare surfer. Most of us don't like the way government is being run. Many of us believe in smaller government in theory, but in practice all the government money that should be going to us is going to others who don't deserve it.
And I'm not happy about the way our society is headed either. :beer: Hang in there
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I had no way of getting into the field I had gambled thousands of dollars on being able to get into and was faced with either joining the military or giving up altogether. I've spent the last six years working the same job I had in high school.
Dating has been a nightmare. Every woman I have ever asked has turned me down.
The decline of western civilization is having a profound impact on my life. The basic things like a family and a decent middle-class career are vanishing before my eyes. That's why I am disgusted.
Try taking some actions like joining the military, moving where the jobs are, moving where the women are, etc.
Go west, young man. Take risks. Get out of your comfort zone. Quit claiming victimhood, when not doing the very things which could relieve your disgust.
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I just contributed to Chris McDaniel campaign - to support their effort to uncover the corruption in Tuesday's vote. If they can find - and I'm sure they can - a certain amount of fraudulent votes (i.e., from democrats who voted in their primary and then voted in the GOP primary) then maybe just maybe McDaniel can still win. Pray!!! And pray hard!!! :amen:
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Try taking some actions like joining the military, moving where the jobs are, moving where the women are, etc.
Go west, young man. Take risks. Get out of your comfort zone. Quit claiming victimhood, when not doing the very things which could relieve your disgust.
You think I haven't? Look, it's easy to talk about "moving where the jobs are" when there are actually jobs to be had (and believe me, out west is was one of the first places I looked, I looked in every nook and cranny I could find and there weren't even any openings). In my field, you HAVE to go where the jobs are. Going to where the women are doesn't help one bit when the women won't give you a chance anyway—besides, Washington DC is probably the city with the highest woman-to-man ratio and if you want to talk about corrupt culture, that's the first city to look. On top of that, where the working-class jobs are and where the women are seem to be mutually exclusive: the military is about as sure of a job as you can get but is 90% male. North Dakota's oil fields have plenty of jobs but a shortage of women.
As for the military, I would rather stay where I am than join the armed forces. I had teachers with military background and they went out of their way to make my life miserable.
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I might add—and I'm sorry for derailing the thread—that my situation isn't as much in the mire as it was a few years back. I'm at the point where I could pick up and go at any point, which was something that wasn't the case when I was getting out of college with student loan debt to pay off. Sometimes being cheap helps.
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Myrle - get networking.
One of the handy things about associating with groups (think church, gyms, sports clubs, military - we touched on that in the Cheney thread, fraternities and friendly societies, even AA) is that you hear about jobs and opportunities before everyone else and you usually have an advocate for being hired. The old saying "It's not what you know, but who you know" is as true for burger flipping as it is for stock brokers and high finance.
Those men and women you meet - every last one of them has sisters, daughters, cousins of the female persuasion and they all love to play matchmaker. (Church get together especially - Lord knows why!). It's a twofer.
I read most of your posts and am pretty good at reading between the lines by now. You don't just want a job in whatever your field is (I honestly have no idea). You want a chance to shine. Kick the jobs ass, take it's name and be the best of the best.
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Myrle - get networking.
One of the handy things about associating with groups (think church, gyms, sports clubs, military - we touched on that in the Cheney thread, fraternities and friendly societies, even AA) is that you hear about jobs and opportunities before everyone else and you usually have an advocate for being hired. The old saying "It's not what you know, but who you know" is as true for burger flipping as it is for stock brokers and high finance.
Those men and women you meet - every last one of them has sisters, daughters, cousins of the female persuasion and they all love to play matchmaker. (Church get together especially - Lord knows why!). It's a twofer.
I read most of your posts and am pretty good at reading between the lines by now. You don't just want a job in whatever your field is (I honestly have no idea). You want a chance to shine. Kick the jobs ass, take it's name and be the best of the best.
I'm going to continue this convo in the Members Only thread tonight, but the point I'm trying to make here (to get back on track) is this: it may seem sometimes that the actions of those in Washington, the actions of others in this country, don't really matter in our everyday lives. It's tempting to think that way. Yet these things do matter, from our rights and abilities to do the things we want to do, live the lives we all as human beings deserve to live, to our ability to make a living.
That's why it is important to use the power we have as American citizens to vote for the candidates who will best defend those rights and, especially as of late, vote against those who use the office for the wrong reasons. Lately it seems that the majority of those who are voting in these Senate elections are falling prey to faulty logic, dirty and deceptive politics and general ignorance, which is allowing a class of Senators who helped create many of the messes we have (or at least are too timid to use what power they have to get them overturned) to escape. The likes of Paul, Cruz, Lee, and other Senate candidates simply aren't making it through the system. With the Senate being the crucial chamber in play this year, that is very discouraging.