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General Category => Health/Education => Topic started by: mystery-ak on July 27, 2021, 03:22:18 pm
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CDC to Reverse Course, Recommend Masks for Vaccinated People
Wendell Husebø 27 Jul 2021
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is set on Tuesday to recommend masks for vaccinated people indoors under certain circumstances.
“As recently as last week, an agency spokesman said that the C.D.C. had no plans to change its guidance, unless there were a significant change in the science,” the New York Times reported.
“Federal officials met on Sunday night to review new evidence that may have prompted the reversal,” the report continued. “The new guidance would mark a sharp turnabout from the agency’s position since May that vaccinated people do not need to wear masks in most indoor spaces.”
“It’s a dynamic situation. It’s a work in progress, it evolves like in so many other areas of the pandemic,” Dr. Anthony Fauci said Sunday. “You’ve got to look at the data.”
Already some areas of America are bringing back coronavirus protocols, such as Palm Beach, Florida, which has mandated masks and social distancing measures even though 100 percent of residents ages 16 and older are vaccinated.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/07/27/cdc-to-reverse-course-recommend-masks-for-vaccinated-people/
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Did the CDC happen to cite any science that backs up their new recommendation?
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Hell no.
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To defeat the massive, scary, definitely world-ending wave of COVID being driven by the delta variant of the deadly, frightening disease you should remain afraid of for the rest of your life, experts are recommending we try all the things that didn't work the first time.
From wearing masks and social distancing to locking everyone down and destroying the economy, experts are all suggesting that we just try the same things we did last time that didn't work at all.
"We are going to lock down, wear masks, and social distance, all of which didn't work, but hey. It's worth trying again," said Dr. Anthony Fauci in a television interview this morning. "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. That's what they taught us in science school. Look at my lab coat. It's white. Do you like it? It has pockets."
Babylon Bee quote
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The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.
Whatever else you think of HL Mencken, he sure as hell got this one right.
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99% of deaths are from the unvaccinated. If their goal is to prolong the pandemic, this makes perfect sense.
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Did the CDC happen to cite any science that backs up their new recommendation?
Settled. The all purpose science.
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BS! I'm not changing what I do. If a restaurant or store wants me to wear a mask I'll let them know I'll readily go elsewhere.
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Is it true they may require masks while online? How will that be enforced?
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Chaos: Team Biden Struggles to Explain CDC Call for Vaccinated Americans to Wear Masks Again
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/07/27/chaos-team-biden-struggles-to-explain-cdc-call-for-vaccinated-americans-to-wear-masks-again/
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99% of deaths are from the unvaccinated.
Do you have any stats to back that up? I certainly haven't seen any, and I have been searching hard.
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CDC Director Claims Vaccination the ‘Way Out of This Pandemic’ as the Agency Tells Vaccinated to Mask Up
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/07/27/cdc-director-claims-vaccination-the-way-out-of-this-pandemic-as-the-agency-tells-vaccinated-to-mask-up/
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CDC Director Claims Vaccination the ‘Way Out of This Pandemic’ as the Agency Tells Vaccinated to Mask Up
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/07/27/cdc-director-claims-vaccination-the-way-out-of-this-pandemic-as-the-agency-tells-vaccinated-to-mask-up/
Sixty percent of Americans have either been "fully" vaccinated or have survived infection from the virus. That constitutes 'herd immunity' as defined last year by the CDC. The government's job is done here. They helped develop a vaccine and then made that vaccine available to everyone. Their role in this is complete.
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Do you have any stats to back that up? I certainly haven't seen any, and I have been searching hard.
@Hoodat @cato potatoe
Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187
June 29, 2021
...An Associated Press analysis of available government data from May shows that “breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 107,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That’s about 1.1%.
And only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average.
The AP analyzed figures provided by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The CDC itself has not estimated what percentage of hospitalizations and deaths are in fully vaccinated people, citing limitations in the data....
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Exactly as was predicted. The Democrats will never, never, never ever, let go of COVID, no matter what happens.
Democrats LOVE Covid and they want it to last forever.
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@Hoodat @cato potatoe
Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187
June 29, 2021
...An Associated Press analysis of available government data from May shows that “breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 107,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That’s about 1.1%.
And only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average.
The AP analyzed figures provided by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The CDC itself has not estimated what percentage of hospitalizations and deaths are in fully vaccinated people, citing limitations in the data....
Conspicuously absent from the Democrat Party Front Group AP story was any link to the data itself. Why not let us see the data for ourselves?
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Conspicuously absent from the Democrat Party Front Group AP story was any link to the data itself. Why not let us see the data for ourselves?
I do not understand if they used CDC data, why the CDC does not present it.
Similar results:
99.8% Of Los Angeles Covid Deaths In Past 6 Months Were Among Unvaccinated People
https://deadline.com/2021/06/99-p4rcent-covid-deaths-los-angeles-unvaccinated-1234781402/
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Seems in what I am reading is that a tiny tiny sliver of the vaccinated are being enumerated as breakthrough cases, and only a tiny tiny sliver of those are getting ill.
Penalize everyone because of those who choose to take the risk? Heck with that.
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Unvaccinated individuals now account for the vast majority of COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths in the U.S., according to available data
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/unvaccinated-individuals-now-account-for-the-vast-majority-of-covid-19-hospitalizations-and-deaths-in-the-u-s-according-to-available-data/
4 Jul. 2021
...the director of the U.S. CDC, Rochelle Walensky, said at a 1 July 2021 White House briefing that preliminary data from January to June 2021 suggested that about 99.5% of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. occurred in unvaccinated people....
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"Unvaccinated" is a Democrat/Media code-word for 'illegal alien'.
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If we just remove the unvaccinated from society everything will be alright again. Is that what they are saying?
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@thackney
Here's some info: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html
Still no link to the data itself, but it does shed some light on the way the statistics are interpreted. Unless a State specifically indicates that a hospitalized or deceased patient was "fully" vaccinated, that person is assumed to be unvaccinated, regardless if they were actually vaccinated. This is no different from the Camel ads back in the 60s where they sent inquiries to doctors asking if they smoked any cigarette other than Camels. With only a small fraction of doctors saying that they smoked something other than Camels, RJ Reynolds counted all the non-responses as Camel smokers.
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...the director of the U.S. CDC, Rochelle Walensky, said at a 1 July 2021 White House briefing that preliminary data from January to June 2021 suggested that about 99.5% of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. occurred in unvaccinated people....
It is pretty much certain that anyone dying of Covid in January wasn't fully vaccinated.
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"Unvaccinated" is a Democrat/Media code-word for 'illegal alien'.
Here's my new flag.
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If we just remove the unvaccinated from society everything will be alright again. Is that what they are saying?
NO!
They are saying the opposite of that. Fauci is saying vaccinated people are just as much a threat as unvaccinated.
They are making no sense at all. With COVID, everything is twisted upside-down and backwards.
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Oh hell yes, I found it!
THIS! I WANT THIS SHIRT!
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They are making no sense at all. With COVID, everything is twisted upside-down and backwards.
It sounds this way because the "experts" don't know about the virus or the vaccines. They know more than they did but they are still running around grabbing their rear ends trying to put an end to this. In reality, the only thing that will end this is when it runs it's course. And since it appears that this maybe a man made virus...who knows when that will be.
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Did the CDC happen to cite any science that backs up their new recommendation?
But “breakthrough” infections, which generally cause milder illness, can occur in vaccinated people. When earlier strains of the virus predominated, infected vaccinated people were found to have low levels of virus and were deemed unlikely to spread the virus much, CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said.
But with the delta variant, the level of virus in infected vaccinated people is "indistinguishable” from the level of virus in the noses and throats of unvaccinated people, Walensky said.
The data emerged over the last couple of days from 100 samples. It is unpublished, and the CDC has not released it. But “it is concerning enough that we feel like we have to act,” Walensky said.
Vaccinated people "have the potential to spread that virus to others,” she said.
https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/cdc-mask-guidelines-updates/507-dee50cb7-d637-4daa-ae2c-c6332e71ed1d
In other words, the vaccine failed to break the chain of infection. This is now officially forever, folks. No point in further fighting this.
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Vaccinated people "have the potential to spread that virus to others,” she said.
We must quarantine the Vaccinated far from others for the safety of everyone.
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240b wrote:
"Exactly as was predicted. The Democrats will never, never, never ever, let go of COVID, no matter what happens."
The new burqha of the Western World:
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This is not right: Department of Justice Declares COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates Legal
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/department-of-justice-declares-covid-19-vaccine-mandates-legal_3920759.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-07-27-2&mktids=fe6f80be30ed7ff0674e8e66e43a9686&est=Pqe9BxXH5JqpXvW%2Bn%2Fi93BG5OVGR1niXzLQD97BUUkFIOgrfjs0zeB44cNp9HZnE%2FZX3
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https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/cdc-mask-guidelines-updates/507-dee50cb7-d637-4daa-ae2c-c6332e71ed1d
In other words, the vaccine failed to break the chain of infection. This is now officially forever, folks. No point in further fighting this.
Yes, that part I get. And quite an admission from the CDC. However, it is the mask guidelines that I am concerned with. For the past 19 months, I have been seeking the scientific data showing that cloth or paper masks block the airborne coronavirus, especially considering that prior to January 2020, the NIH specifically recommended that masks were unnecessary and useless against SARS-1 and MERS.
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:rolling: :rolling: That's the best news I've read in months! I wonder if Ripple has the same preventative qualities.
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Boones Farm is for girls. Gotta go with the MD 20/20, and only the one's that say 19% alcohol.
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Fortified wines are why the homeless winos are immune to the kung flu. It boosts the resistance.
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I don't GAF. I refuse to be jabbed with an experimental drug, and I'm not happy about it even if the FDA approves it.
And I'm done with worthless masks,too.
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Fortified wines are why the homeless winos are immune to the kung flu. It boosts the resistance.
After a year and a half, we still haven't heard of any 'rona outbreaks in homeless encampments.
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After a year and a half, we still haven't heard of any 'rona outbreaks in homeless encampments.
Correctamundo. But we've heard of plenty of outbreaks in confined New York apartment buildings that share the same cool dry air, just like bats in a bat cave.
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After a year and a half, we still haven't heard of any 'rona outbreaks in homeless encampments.
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Prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Residents of a Large Homeless Shelter in Boston
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2765378
April 27, 2020
...All individuals residing in the shelter (N = 408) underwent symptom assessment and SARS-CoV-2 PCR testing. There were no known refusals. The mean age of the participants was 51.6 years; 71.6% of participants were men, 33.1% were black or African American, and 18.6% were Hispanic or Latino (Table). Among all participants, 1.0% had fever; 8.1% reported cough; 0.7% reported shortness of breath; and 5.9% reported other symptoms, including 1.5% with nasal or sinus symptoms and 1.2% with diarrhea. Overall, 361 individuals (88.5%) reported no symptoms.
A total of 147 participants (36.0%) had PCR test results positive for SARS-CoV-2. Men constituted 84.4% of individuals with PCR-positive results and 64.4% of individuals with PCR-negative results. Among individuals with PCR test results positive for SARS-CoV-2, cough (7.5%), shortness of breath (1.4%), and fever (0.7%) were all uncommon, and 87.8% were asymptomatic....
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Age-Adjusted Mortality Rate for Sheltered Homeless New Yorkers
https://www.coalitionforthehomeless.org/age-adjusted-mortality-rate-for-sheltered-homeless-new-yorkers/
...February 2021...
...Through the end of February 2021, the cumulative New York City mortality rate due to COVID-19 was 292 deaths per 100,000 people. For sheltered homeless New Yorkers, it was 436 deaths per 100,000 people – 49 percent higher than the New York City rate....
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@Hoodat @cato potatoe
Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187
June 29, 2021
...An Associated Press analysis of available government data from May shows that “breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 107,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That’s about 1.1%.
And only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average.
The AP analyzed figures provided by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The CDC itself has not estimated what percentage of hospitalizations and deaths are in fully vaccinated people, citing limitations in the data....
Mr. Hackney, is there some reason that you trust the "statistics" and propaganda emanating from such clear propagandists as the AP and the thoroughly comprised federal government agencies?
See this as one example:
The Regulatory Capture of the FDA
The mega-profit pharmaceutical industry relies on connections with the agency tasked with regulating it.
June 12, 2021 | Maxim Jacobs
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-regulatory-capture-of-the-fda/ (https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-regulatory-capture-of-the-fda/)
Excerpt:
This week, three members of an 11 member FDA advisory committee of experts resigned in protest over the FDA’s approval of Aduhelm (aducanumab) for the treatment of Alzheimer’s disease. These resignations are extremely unusual, but in this case, understandable.
Aduhelm was approved by the agency despite the fact that both pivotal trials were stopped early because they were judged to be futile, the FDA’s own statistical reviewer did not support approval, and the FDA advisory committee reviewing the application voted it down overwhelmingly. Additionally, in a survey conducted by Endpoint News, whose readership is heavily weighted to biopharmaceutical industry staffers and executives, over 80 percent consider the approval to be a bad idea. So, how did Aduhelm’s June 7 approval happen? Two words: regulatory capture.
Regulatory capture is defined as when a supposedly objective regulatory agency ends up promoting the ends of the industries they are regulating. The FDA has been captured for quite a while. In a 2016 study published in the British Medical Journal, the majority of the FDA’s hematology-oncology reviewers who left the agency ended up working or consulting for the biopharmaceutical industry. In another investigation by Science magazine, 11 of 16 FDA reviewers who worked on 28 drug approvals and subsequently left the agency are working or consulting for the companies they recently regulated.
I trust that you do not believe the absolute garbage that the federal government spouts in the realm of "climate change" and energy... do you? (I think not!) How about their proclamations and actions on the "evils" of the 2nd Amendment? You on board with all of that? (I think not!)
So, may I ask, why do you believe ANYTHING that the federal government agencies and their propaganda outlets in the "media" spout about your personal health and well being?
Do you truly believe that your health (and that of your family members) is of concern to them? Do you believe that they are interested in having you (and yours) thrive and be healthy and prosperous?
Think about this Mr. Hackney, and perhaps be a bit more retrospective before you mindlessly (sorry, just calling it like I see it... even an intelligent fellow like yourself can have blind spots!) spout the "data" and "information" from these thoroughly corrupt entities that intend to squash you like a bug...
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Prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Residents of a Large Homeless Shelter in Boston
An indoor homeless shelter is not the same as an outdoor homeless encampment.
Indoor = Cool dry enclosed bat cave environment.
Outdoor = Exposure to UV radiation and humidity
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An indoor homeless shelter is not the same as an outdoor homeless encampment.
Indoor = Cool dry enclosed bat cave environment.
Outdoor = Exposure to UV radiation and humidity
It is difficult to have a source of data about people that do not come into a facility. Lack of that data does not indicate the lack of the occurrence, or the rate of occurrence. There simply is not a reasonable way to gather the data.
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It is difficult to have a source of data about people that do not come into a facility. Lack of that data does not indicate the lack of the occurrence, or the rate of occurrence. There simply is not a reasonable way to gather the data.
Think that's difficult? Try finding data on people who have already been infected and now have natural immunity. This is a statistic that has proven impossible to determine by our current agenda-pushing bureaucrats. One would think that such a group (that is 40 times more resistant to SARS-2 infection than vaccinated people) would be in high demand as a buffer against infected people. But no. That data simply is not to be had. Such people need to mask up and take the shot just like everyone else.