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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: libertybele on April 20, 2020, 05:49:22 pm
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Ok ... now thing ARE more than critical -- starting to cut off the food supply to people. I'm tending to believe more and more that this virus is a means to control the populace. People ARE going to revolt - they are already starting to push back. The ONLY way that you can get delivery or curbside is with a credit card. How about all those who don't have a credit or debit card??? Sure you can get a temporary debit card with cash ... but if the stores close up, how are you going to even get one of those?
Secondly, I don't want people picking out my darn food. I'll go shop at a mom & pop store, until Big Brother decides to mandate shuttering them as well.
Experts say it may be time for grocery stores to ban customers from coming inside because of Covid-19
Dozens of grocery store workers have died from the coronavirus, despite masks, temperature checks and capacity restrictions to keep them safe. So far, supermarkets have resisted the most draconian policy: banning customers from coming inside.
However, some worker experts, union leaders and small grocery owners believe it has become too dangerous to let customers browse aisles, coming into close range with workers. Grocery stores are still flooded with customers, and experts say it's time for large chains to go "dark" to the public and convert to curbside pickup and home delivery for food and other essential goods.
"Careless customers" are "probably the biggest threat" to workers right now, according to Marc Perrone, president of the United Food and Commercial Workers' union. The union said 85% of its grocery store member workers reported that customers are not practicing social distancing in stores.
"Anything that reduces the need for interaction with the public and allows for greater physical distancing will ultimately better protect grocery workers," said John Logan, professor and director of Labor and Employment Studies at San Francisco State University. "Shuttering stores and repurposing them for pickup and delivery only would be a positive step."
Many small, independent grocery stores have done this to protect their staff.
Mike Houston, general manager of Takoma Park Silver Spring Co-op in Takoma Park, Maryland, decided to close his grocery store to the public in late March, when the state announced a shelter-in-place order, and switch to curbside pickup...........
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/19/business/grocery-stores-coronavirus-pickup-delivery/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/19/business/grocery-stores-coronavirus-pickup-delivery/index.html)
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What happened to 'lets flatten the curve until more ICU beds become available'?
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The ONLY way that you can get delivery or curbside is with a credit card.
And even with a card, you often can't get delivery. I finally got a time slot for this coming Sunday -- almost a week from today. Been trying every day for about a week.
I did have to go to the store today only because it's the only one in my town that has a functioning ATM and a bank branch that's open. The other banks closed their branches in this town and disabled their ATMs.
When I got there, there was a line outside. The market only allows a certain number of people inside at one time. I managed to cut in front only when I told the guard I was only going to the bank.
Once I got inside, there were one-way aisles. Could not go up or down an aisle if there were already 2-3 people in the aisle. There were guards at each end of the aisles making sure people were social distancing.
Only two or three registers were open -- spaced so to adhere to social distancing. Plexiglass was installed so contact with the cashier was limited. And all but one register -- only credit or debit cards. Only a self-serve checkout was open if you wanted to pay cash.
Ordinarily, when I shop, I have a list, buy only what is on the list, then I'm in and out as fast as possible. I don't spend all day. But with all this krap, I can see if I had to actually grocery shop, it will now take hours.
Now they want to force us into curbside pickup or delivery -- neither of which is working out so well, at least where I live. This is a friggin' nightmare and totally unnecessary.
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And even with a card, you often can't get delivery. I finally got a time slot for this coming Sunday -- almost a week from today. Been trying every day for about a week.
I did have to go to the store today only because it's the only one in my town that has a functioning ATM and a bank branch that's open. The other banks closed their branches in this town and disabled their ATMs.
When I got there, there was a line outside. The market only allows a certain number of people inside at one time. I managed to cut in front only when I told the guard I was only going to the bank.
Once I got inside, there were one-way aisles. Could not go up or down an aisle if there were already 2-3 people in the aisle. There were guards at each end of the aisles making sure people were social distancing.
Only two or three registers were open -- spaced so to adhere to social distancing. Plexiglass was installed so contact with the cashier was limited. And all but one register -- only credit or debit cards. Only a self-serve checkout was open if you wanted to pay cash.
Ordinarily, when I shop, I have a list, buy only what is on the list, then I'm in and out as fast as possible. I don't spend all day. But with all this krap, I can see if I had to actually grocery shop, it will now take hours.
Now they want to force us into curbside pickup or delivery -- neither of which is working out so well, at least where I live. This is a friggin' nightmare and totally unnecessary.
Curb side works well for companies that were already doing it, like Walmart. If a store can afford extra security to police the social distancing within the store, then it can afford to make those guards into shoppers ("pickers" as Walmart calls them).
We've been doing curb side at Wally World for over 6 months now, and it works well, even now that more people are using it.
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"Experts" is being tossed around loosely. These aren't epidemiologists we're talking about; these are union bosses.
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And even with a card, you often can't get delivery. I finally got a time slot for this coming Sunday -- almost a week from today. Been trying every day for about a week.
I did have to go to the store today only because it's the only one in my town that has a functioning ATM and a bank branch that's open. The other banks closed their branches in this town and disabled their ATMs.
When I got there, there was a line outside. The market only allows a certain number of people inside at one time. I managed to cut in front only when I told the guard I was only going to the bank.
Once I got inside, there were one-way aisles. Could not go up or down an aisle if there were already 2-3 people in the aisle. There were guards at each end of the aisles making sure people were social distancing.
Only two or three registers were open -- spaced so to adhere to social distancing. Plexiglass was installed so contact with the cashier was limited. And all but one register -- only credit or debit cards. Only a self-serve checkout was open if you wanted to pay cash.
Ordinarily, when I shop, I have a list, buy only what is on the list, then I'm in and out as fast as possible. I don't spend all day. But with all this krap, I can see if I had to actually grocery shop, it will now take hours.
Now they want to force us into curbside pickup or delivery -- neither of which is working out so well, at least where I live. This is a friggin' nightmare and totally unnecessary.
888high58888 I've experienced the same problems -- first my card was compromised almost immediately after an on-line grocery order attempt. The "shopper" texted me with more items that she couldn't get than she could get so I cancelled. I didn't appreciate her snarky comments either ... and then she deleted one item at a time.
I then have tried Walmart -- no slots are available for a week.
So ... I will try to venture out and hopefully the Mom & Pop store that has excellent meats and fresh market vegs will still be open.
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"Experts" is being tossed around loosely. These aren't epidemiologists we're talking about; these are union bosses.
Well, either union bosses are a much bigger entity, like those wanting to control the populace by controlling the food.
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Well, either union bosses are a much bigger entity, like those wanting to control the populace by controlling the food.
Leftist reply: "You conservatives are all conspiracy freaks." Newsflash: Conspiracy is a real thing, a prosecutable crime when the circumstances like evidence permit.
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Curb side works well for companies that were already doing it, like Walmart. If a store can afford extra security to police the social distancing within the store, then it can afford to make those guards into shoppers ("pickers" as Walmart calls them).
We've been doing curb side at Wally World for over 6 months now, and it works well, even now that more people are using it.
Well, the local chain had been doing pickup and delivery for a couple of years. In bad weather when I couldn't get out, I would use the delivery service and it was awesome. I just think this store has been overwhelmed. Most people around these parts like to do their own shopping -- I'm one of them. But now with the experts telling us to stay home -- particularly us old and/or chronically ill people -- the demand has increased suddenly and the stores were caught off guard. Same with the outside delivery services contracted to deliver for these stores. They all had to hurry up, hire more people and train them. But things happened so fast and they just weren't ready for the onslaught.
Things might be slowly improving, but if we are going to be forced to stay out of the stores entirely, pickup and delivery had better improve even more quickly. Iff any governor decides to close these markets, he or she had better talk to the markets first and give them time to get ready.
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Well...
I suspect those who try to go curbside only will go bankrupt.
Lots of problems with someone else picking out your purchases remotely. Even at Walmart things go wrong. We've tried several curbside pickup purchases and every one of them has had something wrong that required further action on our part to try to straighten out. Usually with significant frustration because you can't talk to anyone about the problem.
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888high58888 I've experienced the same problems -- first my card was compromised almost immediately after an on-line grocery order attempt. The "shopper" texted me with more items that she couldn't get than she could get so I cancelled. I didn't appreciate her snarky comments either ... and then she deleted one item at a time.
I then have tried Walmart -- no slots are available for a week.
So ... I will try to venture out and hopefully the Mom & Pop store that has excellent meats and fresh market vegs will still be open.
Yes, my local market has the same problem with the supply chain. After all these weeks and presumably restrictions to prevent hoarding, the store still does not have toilet paper, disinfectant wipes or cleaners and a lot of other items. Forget meat and poultry too. Ok, I get that some processing plants have had to close because of outbreaks, but aren't there others? And what's this I hear about some food items being dumped because restaurants are closed? What about us consumers who buy at the supermarket? This lack of supply makes me suspicious.
Anyway, good luck at your local store.
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Well, the local chain had been doing pickup and delivery for a couple of years. In bad weather when I couldn't get out, I would use the delivery service and it was awesome. I just think this store has been overwhelmed. Most people around these parts like to do their own shopping -- I'm one of them. But now with the experts telling us to stay home -- particularly us old and/or chronically ill people -- the demand has increased suddenly and the stores were caught off guard. Same with the outside delivery services contracted to deliver for these stores. They all had to hurry up, hire more people and train them. But things happened so fast and they just weren't ready for the onslaught.
Things might be slowly improving, but if we are going to be forced to stay out of the stores entirely, pickup and delivery had better improve even more quickly. Iff any governor decides to close these markets, he or she had better talk to the markets first and give them time to get ready.
By the time this is over, the major grocery chains will have acquired the necessary infrastructure to make curbside pickup a regular thing. That means cell phone apps, credit cards tied to accounts, and the physical requirements of reserved parking spaces wit people picking the items to check out.
As I said, the Walmart Supercenter in my town already had this going for months, and if there's a problem it's because the usage blew up into a huge thing. Walmart needs to expand their investment. Their sister stores, like Sam's Club, are behind. They have curb-side pickup but they don't have the bugs ironed out yet. Sam's is a PITA until they fix this. I told the Manager to just get on the horn to Walmart down the street and see what they're doing. Then do that.
Related: My Home Depot has also been doing pickups, with special lockers in the front of the stores where you can retrieve your merchandise. Little Caesars has what they call their "Pizza Portals." They have hot boxes set up in the lobby where you just have to walk up, enter a code and retrieve your pizza. They have a drive-up window at my local LC, too. Order and prepay on the app, show up at the window.
Bottom line: What they ominously call "Social Distancing" had been supplanting normal commerce for months before the COVID, and will continue in even larger fashion in the future. There will be stores that have no interior shopping at all, and will only do pickup.
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Well...
I suspect those who try to go curbside only will go bankrupt.
Lots of problems with someone else picking out your purchases remotely. Even at Walmart things go wrong. We've tried several curbside pickup purchases and every one of them has had something wrong that required further action on our part to try to straighten out. Usually with significant frustration because you can't talk to anyone about the problem.
You must live near my old Wally World. :laugh:
(No, you don't. I am sure you are not using the store at Alma School and Warner in Chandler.)
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However, some worker experts, union leaders and small grocery owners...
What is a "worker expert"? None of the others mentioned are experts at anything health related.
Click bait sensationalism...
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Yes, my local market has the same problem with the supply chain. After all these weeks and presumably restrictions to prevent hoarding, the store still does not have toilet paper, disinfectant wipes or cleaners and a lot of other items. Forget meat and poultry too. Ok, I get that some processing plants have had to close because of outbreaks, but aren't there others? And what's this I hear about some food items being dumped because restaurants are closed? What about us consumers who buy at the supermarket? This lack of supply makes me suspicious.
Anyway, good luck at your local store.
A lot of things about this virus makes me suspicious. China's non-reporting of this virus. The remaining DEM candidates other than Slow Joe stepped down, around the same time that the public was made aware of the virus as it was introduced in WA state. Many businesses were closed other than "essential" (?) and massive amounts of money are being spent in trying to save (?) this country. So millions have been forced out of their jobs and now dependent on Uncle Sam (if their money ever gets to them) and now our food sources are being manipulated.
Talk of yet another stimulus is supposedly going to be implemented. More unsustainable debt. Though Trump stated that we would never be a socialist country, that's surely exactly where we are heading. 8888crybaby
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What is a "worker expert"? None of the others mentioned are experts at anything health related.
Click bait sensationalism...
"Worker experts" are called "Consulting Firms." It's a thing. Efficiency Experts have existed for at least 100 years. The Father figure in Cheaper by the Dozen was an Efficiency Expert who applied his business knowledge to a family with 12 children, set in the 1920's.
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Commies love nothing more than to ban, ration, and restrict, so I imagine they love the idea of closing stores and just doing deliveries so everyone is waiting in line and jumping thru hoops.
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Commies love nothing more than to ban, ration, and restrict, so I imagine they love the idea of closing stores and just doing deliveries so everyone is waiting in line and jumping thru hoops.
Most people won't stand for that, as long as companies are permitted to trade with them without such restrictions. And that is the crux of the matter right there.
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I fully expect our inbred governor to heed this advice. He keeps adding restrictions every week. We have experienced 199 deaths, and in response he has put 672,000 people out of work.
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@libertybele
Though Trump stated that we would never be a socialist country, that's surely exactly where we are heading
Every time Trump signs off on one of those spending spree bills, he proves once again he's no conservative. And the Republicans themselves are just as tax and spend as the Democrats.
For both parties, this outbreak has been about winning elections, particularly the presidential one later this year. Republicans know -- just as the Democrats always have -- that throwing money around is a sure way of getting votes.
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If grocery stores start locking their doors, sumthin' tells me this situation is going to result in some "unintended consequences"...
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"Experts" is being tossed around loosely. These aren't epidemiologists we're talking about; these are union bosses.
Tacoma Park (Montgomery County) MD, just outside DC. One of MDs 'hot zones'.
Put those 'experts' in Tioga, ND....
{It's a compound word. Ex is a has-been, spurt is a drip under pressure}
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If grocery stores start locking their doors, sumthin' tells me this situation is going to result in some "unintended consequences"...
I've heard tell....
(https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Riots+Looting+Continues+Across+London+U4vfcIEU3YZl.jpg)
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I've heard tell....
(https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Riots+Looting+Continues+Across+London+U4vfcIEU3YZl.jpg)
Looks more like Prince George's County.... :whistle:
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Looks more like Prince George's County.... :whistle:
Close. Londonistan.
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@libertybele
Every time Trump signs off on one of those spending spree bills, he proves once again he's no conservative. And the Republicans themselves are just as tax and spend as the Democrats.
For both parties, this outbreak has been about winning elections, particularly the presidential one later this year. Republicans know -- just as the Democrats always have -- that throwing money around is a sure way of getting votes.
To an extent, I agree with you. However, the economy was doing great until the virus hit and IMHO it has turned political since then.
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So far I have not had any problems getting groceries. The week before the official quarantine it was more crowded than usual, but nowhere near as bad as before Thanksgiving or Christmas. Since then, there are much less people in the store compared to before all of this started. Kroger limits the number of customers to 1 per 120 sq ft, and I've never had to wait in line to get in.
Every Tuesday I make out a menu for the following week and make a list of what is needed that I don't already have. I know which aisle everything is on, so I go straight to what I need and get out ASAP. I have been able to get everything on my list, with the only issue being that I needed one ribeye but had to buy two because that was the smallest package they had. It takes less time than before covid-19. I have done zero panic buying.
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So far I have not had any problems getting groceries. The week before the official quarantine it was more crowded than usual, but nowhere near as bad as before Thanksgiving or Christmas. Since then, there are much less people in the store compared to before all of this started. Kroger limits the number of customers to 1 per 120 sq ft, and I've never had to wait in line to get in.
Every Tuesday I make out a menu for the following week and make a list of what is needed that I don't already have. I know which aisle everything is on, so I go straight to what I need and get out ASAP. I have been able to get everything on my list, with the only issue being that I needed one ribeye but had to buy two because that was the smallest package they had. It takes less time than before covid-19. I have done zero panic buying.
You are very fortunate. I was in the store a couple of weeks ago -- shelves were still bare with no toilet paper or paper towels, eggs, bread, cereal and crackers are scarce, limit on pasta and pasta sauce, limited quantities on bottled water, and poultry is scarce. Social distancing was put into practice, but few adhered to those limitations. Most people didn't have masks, including the cashiers.
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You are very fortunate. I was in the store a couple of weeks ago -- shelves were still bare with no toilet paper or paper towels, eggs, bread, cereal and crackers are scarce, limit on pasta and pasta sauce, limited quantities on bottled water, and poultry is scarce. Social distancing was put into practice, but few adhered to those limitations. Most people didn't have masks, including the cashiers.
Geezus, it's like trying to get plywood before a Hurricane. If I lived there, I'd have the steel slat rails built in for my windows so I can slide those slats in to seal up the windows and doors to prep for the Hurricanes. Along with other abatement modifications.
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Geezus, it's like trying to get plywood before a Hurricane. If I lived there, I'd have the steel slat rails built in for my windows so I can slide those slats in to seal up the windows and doors to prep for the Hurricanes. Along with other abatement modifications.
FL building code now requires that any home built after 2001 MUST have hurricane shutters; the design, and durability of those shutters must meet specific wind standards. Most shutters provided by builders attach directly to the home. You can go the additional cost of having rails placed and purchasing shutters that fit into those rails and then attached. Lots of different options -- but very expensive.
I'm just hoping and praying that the U.S. doesn't get hit with a hurricane this year. Nowhere to go. Nowhere to hide. I still have plenty of food, water and paper goods -- but I've dipped into that supply a bit.
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disabled their ATMs.
@Applewood
That makes no sense at all to me. Why in the world would a bank disable their ATM's?
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disabled their ATMs.
@Applewood
That makes no sense at all to me. Why in the world would a bank disable their ATM's?
@sneakypete
I'm asking why about a lot of senseless things related to this virus.
I will concede it's possible the machines ran out of money and there is no one to replenish them. I just know they are "out of service."
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@sneakypete
I'm asking why about a lot of senseless things related to this virus.
I will concede it's possible the machines ran out of money and there is no one to replenish them. I just know they are "out of service."
@Applewood
Following the "Never let a tragedy go unexploited" philosophy of the globalists,it is starting to look like we will be going to a cashless society sooner than expected.
Which will result in the loss of ALL personal freedoms.
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@Applewood
Following the "Never let a tragedy go unexploited" philosophy of the globalists,it is starting to look like we will be going to a cashless society sooner than expected.
Which will result in the loss of ALL personal freedoms.
@sneakypete
I was reading something along those lines yesterday. The premise was that during this coronavirus mess, since we may have to do our grocery shopping and other transactions online instead of in person, it's possible that even once this outbreak is over, we will still have to do everything online and cash will disappear.
For me, it's not just the loss of freedoms; if we do go cashless, it will be a royal PITA. For example, when I go to the grocery store, I pay cash for my groceries. But I always get in line behind some *bleep* with a credit, debit or EBT card and the darn thing doesn't work, so we all have to wait till a store employee comes over to try to fix what's wrong. And usually, the purchase is something cheap like a pack of gum. Good Grief, People! Don't you carry at least a few bucks?
If this is going to be the new normal permanently, then put me on a rocket ship and send me to another planet 'cuz I won't want to live on this one.
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"Careless customers" are "probably the biggest threat" to workers right now, according to Marc Perrone, president of the United Food and Commercial Workers' union. The union said 85% of its grocery store member workers reported that customers are not practicing social distancing in stores.
Does this union operative have proof these store workers were infected by store customers rather than by coworkers or family or personal socializing or buses/trains or ...? And how many stores have aisles 9 feet wide or wider, which is necessary for 6' distancing without knocking stuff off shelves?
A less draconian (and less #Resist?) approach is what local stores do here, limit the number of customers in the stores when busy, open only every other check-out station, and have check-out lines marked for appropriate distancing. The local Target (and others, probably) allows customers to order online and pick up their orders at the door, which lessens the line of people going into the store.
IMO, stores' layouts are too individual, too adapted to specific buildings for government to be imposing one-size-fits-all regs. Given the flexibility, the managers of individual locations can cobble together the best combination of measures for their facility, workers, and customers.
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IMO, stores' layouts are too individual, too adapted to specific buildings for government to be imposing one-size-fits-all regs. Given the flexibility, the managers of individual locations can cobble together the best combination of measures for their facility, workers, and customers.
The store where I go was built in the late 80's or early 90's. It is a smaller space with narrow aisles. Now as i said, the chain has setup this one-way aisle thing with monitors at each end so you don't go the "wrong way" or go into an aisle that already has more than 2 people in it. It's ridiculous and totally impractical.
Now maybe one-way aisles will work in a newer store; the chain has a few huge mega-stores built only a few years ago that are more spacious with wider aisles. But for older, smaller stores, these social distancing tactics just don't work.
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County officials suggest people grocery shop on specific days based on last name
In the latest attempt to reduce crowding at grocery stores during the coronavirus pandemic, health officials in a Maryland county are asking residents to only do their shopping on certain days based on their last name.
Officials at the Calvert County Health Department asked residents in an announcement on Wednesday to "voluntarily limit trips for groceries to once every 5 days on the following schedule," listing two suggested dates each for five different groups of people, based on the first letter of their last names.
For instance, people with last names starting with A-C would shop on dates ending with 0 and 5.
https://www.today.com/food/maryland-county-asks-people-go-grocery-shopping-specific-days-t179117 (https://www.today.com/food/maryland-county-asks-people-go-grocery-shopping-specific-days-t179117)
**nononono*
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Experts say it may be time for grocery stores to ban customers from coming inside because of Covid-19
Experts? Really? So who are these experts?
However, some worker experts, union leaders and small grocery owners believe it has become too dangerous to let customers browse aisles, coming into close range with workers.
Oh, so now it's "some worker experts", none of whom are named. Not virus experts. Not contagion experts. Not biohazard experts. But "some worker experts" (who only make up part of the pool which includes union leaders and small grocery owners). More fake news from CNN.
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Sooooo,what happens if they are out of baby wipes,baby food,milk,coffee,laundry detergent,etc,etc,etc on the day you are ALLOWED to shop there,leave the child out in the street for the wolves to eat,and learn how to live in dirty clothes and not drink coffee?
Yeah,what could go wrong with THAT plan?
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Sooooo,what happens if they are out of baby wipes,baby food,milk,coffee,laundry detergent,etc,etc,etc on the day you are ALLOWED to shop there,leave the child out in the street for the wolves to eat,and learn how to live in dirty clothes and not drink coffee?
Yeah,what could go wrong with THAT plan?
No worries ... this plan was created by "experts". *****rollingeyes*****
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@sneakypete
I was reading something along those lines yesterday. The premise was that during this coronavirus mess, since we may have to do our grocery shopping and other transactions online instead of in person, it's possible that even once this outbreak is over, we will still have to do everything online and cash will disappear.
For me, it's not just the loss of freedoms; if we do go cashless, it will be a royal PITA. For example, when I go to the grocery store, I pay cash for my groceries. But I always get in line behind some *bleep* with a credit, debit or EBT card and the darn thing doesn't work, so we all have to wait till a store employee comes over to try to fix what's wrong. And usually, the purchase is something cheap like a pack of gum. Good Grief, People! Don't you carry at least a few bucks?
If this is going to be the new normal permanently, then put me on a rocket ship and send me to another planet 'cuz I won't want to live on this one.
On a semi-related note, can you imagine how much of a goldmine this has been for the NSA? What, with all the communication that used to be in person now being funneled through online platforms they're already monitoring through PRISM (and even less secure platforms like Zoom) and all...
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No worries ... this plan was created by "experts". *****rollingeyes*****
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I would imagine there are limits on certain essential items. If grocery store visits are to be limited to, say, one every five days, then the limits on essential items will have to come off. Otherwise, people just won't be able to get enough.
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I would imagine there are limits on certain essential items. If grocery store visits are to be limited to, say, one every five days, then the limits on essential items will have to come off. Otherwise, people just won't be able to get enough.
@Smokin Joe
Can't wait to see celebs,politicians and their relatives,and people like Bill Gates standing in line to buy their allotted amount of toilet paper rolls.
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Sooooo,what happens if they are out of baby wipes,baby food,milk,coffee,laundry detergent,etc,etc,etc on the day you are ALLOWED to shop there,leave the child out in the street for the wolves to eat,and learn how to live in dirty clothes and not drink coffee?
Yeah,what could go wrong with THAT plan?
@sneakypete
I can see riots erupting at my local supermarket when shoppers show up on the "wrong" day and are refused entry. People around here are armed.
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Next stop: central planning.
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Wasn't it the Pantsuit Assassin who postulated that it was the patriotic right of every American to speak out against any administration they do not agree with?
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@Smokin Joe
Can't wait to see celebs,politicians and their relatives,and people like Bill Gates standing in line to buy their allotted amount of toilet paper rolls.
I was referring to bottled water, among other things. The Sheryl Crow set only needs one square, anyway.
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I'm not worried about TP. Last time I bought any was before the panic began an' I only bought a 4 pack of one ply 1000 squares per roll. I'm only halfway through that an' as backup I have a 16 inch tall stack of old telephone books, so I'm good. As far as water, I've been drinking tap water all my life an' I'm still here. My pantry is well stocked. I figger I can last at least 4 months on what I got. An' my rent is paid up till October. All I'd need would be the fiddling bits like milk, soda, eggs, bread an' cigars I can pick up easily at the corner convenience store which is ruled an essential bidniss. The convenience store has an ATM, so I can take care of my banking there as well. I figger that I'll only have to go to Wally-World or the supermarket once a month.
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