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‘Let us work’ protests spread all across the US this weekend; demonstrators labeled as ‘far-right’
April 19, 2020 | Vivek Saxena
As protests against coronavirus-based lockdowns continue spreading across the country (and globe), authorities are growing increasingly despotic and arguably fascist in their enforcement of “stay-at-home†orders, with police in one community arresting a woman for simply planning a protest.
That woman, Kim Pagan of New Jersey, reportedly faces charges for “organizing a prohibited event†that involved protesters gathering in order “to demonstrate against†Gov. Phil Murphy‘s potentially unconstitutional coronavirus restrictions.
“Pagan has to answer to the charge in Muncipal Court. Violations of emergency orders constitute a disorderly persons offense carrying a potential sentence of up to six months in jail and a $1,000 fine,†Fox News reported.
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https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/19/let-us-work-protests-spread-all-across-the-us-this-weekend-demonstrators-labeled-as-far-right-910354 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/19/let-us-work-protests-spread-all-across-the-us-this-weekend-demonstrators-labeled-as-far-right-910354)
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An example of "if it bleeeds, it leads" and if it doesn't bleed, cut it and slash it in order to find conflict, even violence.
There were peaceful demonstrations in the OC, non-partisan, yet the media looks for trouble.
#reopenoc
in two days, over 2200 members.
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The funniest part is this:
For the screaming Mimis demanding everyone stay inside forever (really, how well has that worked for nursing homes and prisons?), it's a catch-22:
- If you don't practice social distancing, you're a hazard to society and making the crisis worse.
- If you do, you're proving yourself wrong.
The idea that people can still recognize the threat this virus poses but still think the measures being taken regarding shutting down businesses and bans on arbitrary things are draconian and/or ineffective seems to be lost on these people. (Word salad, I know, but I'm hoping you get my point.)
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The funniest part is this:
For the screaming Mimis demanding everyone stay inside forever (really, how well has that worked for nursing homes and prisons?), it's a catch-22:
- If you don't practice social distancing, you're a hazard to society and making the crisis worse.
- If you do, you're proving yourself wrong.
The idea that people can still recognize the threat this virus poses but still think the measures being taken regarding shutting down businesses and bans on arbitrary things are draconian and/or ineffective seems to be lost on these people. (Word salad, I know, but I'm hoping you get my point.)
I have always believed that small businesses could have continued to work. Small business with not many workers. I don't agree with it all, and we shouldn't have had to spend 2 trillion had we been smart and did what made sense. Running people out of business doesn't. But stay home and only go out to work, get fresh air, get groceries with social distancing and masks. That makes sense.
And of course very old people or people with underlying conditions should stay home. It sure would have reduced the debt.
But after all the effort now we are going to protest and go backwards. When we could have had leadership to institute common sense all along. I certainly hope that Civil disobedience doesn't lead to increased cases of COVID leading to prolonged stay home order. Or get off it and then have to do it all over again. Because the people protesting here in Washington were not practicing social distancing or wearing masks for the most part.
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Trump says we would have had millions of deaths if we hadn't shut down.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump
Mixed messages ****sheep****
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Trump says we would have had millions of deaths if we hadn't shut down.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump
Mixed messages ****sheep****
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Whew, I thought it was just me. happy77
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Whew, I thought it was just me. happy77
He's in a tough spot, looking for the "Goldilocks Zone". (Not too soon, not too late, but just right)
People need to understand, too, that jumping the gun will mean we get to do all this all over again.
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The funniest part is this:
For the screaming Mimis demanding everyone stay inside forever (really, how well has that worked for nursing homes and prisons?), it's a catch-22:
- If you don't practice social distancing, you're a hazard to society and making the crisis worse.
- If you do, you're proving yourself wrong.
The idea that people can still recognize the threat this virus poses but still think the measures being taken regarding shutting down businesses and bans on arbitrary things are draconian and/or ineffective seems to be lost on these people. (Word salad, I know, but I'm hoping you get my point.)
Apparently this virus is smarter than we are. We think we can hide from it, but the virus knows better.
"Catch 22" is a good phrase for this. The more we quarantine, the longer we are going to need to quarantine, because the virus is always going to be out there waiting for us to leave our houses. This virus is so contagious, that so long as it exists anywhere on the planet, it can cause another pandemic UNTIL THE POPULATION BECOMES IMMUNE.
We aren't going to become immune until we go out and get the virus in large numbers. I predict that we are going to start hearing the term "herd immunity" quite a bit as government at all levels succumbs to the reality of what the sequestration policy has wrought.
There is going to be a recognition that we are just going to have to bite the bullet and let the virus win over the short term so that humanity can win over the long term. It is an awful trade off, but we have no choice but to make it.
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During a newscast yesterday, I heard one dipshit call the reprehensible OKC bombing a Right Wing terrorist attack in commemoration.
Trying to remember ever when the MSM called anything a left wing terrorist attack.
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Apparently this virus is smarter than we are. We think we can hide from it, but the virus knows better.
"Catch 22" is a good phrase for this. The more we quarantine, the longer we are going to need to quarantine, because the virus is always going to be out there waiting for us to leave our houses. This virus is so contagious, that so long as it exists anywhere on the planet, it can cause another pandemic UNTIL THE POPULATION BECOMES IMMUNE.
We aren't going to become immune until we go out and get the virus in large numbers. I predict that we are going to start hearing the term "herd immunity" quite a bit as government at all levels succumbs to the reality of what the sequestration policy has wrought.
There is going to be a recognition that we are just going to have to bite the bullet and let the virus win over the short term so that humanity can win over the long term. It is an awful trade off, but we have no choice but to make it.
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During a newscast yesterday, I heard one dipshit call the reprehensible OKC bombing a Right Wing terrorist attack in commemoration.
Trying to remember ever when the MSM called anything a left wing terrorist attack.
That was the meme the Media pushed, saying it was retribution for Waco..and all those nasty, right winged gun owner types needed to have their "assault weapons" taken away (even though no firearms were discharged in the bombing of the Murrah Building and the loaded pistol the later convicted bomber had when stopped in a traffic stop for no license plates was never discharged). The whole "right winged" terrorist image has been pimped from time to time when it wasn't obvious the terrorists or other perpetrators were Muslim.
No mention of the Weathermen, though, when Bill Ayers or Bernadette Dohrn were diddy-bopping around the Obamas, because they were Left-wing terrorists.
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Apparently this virus is smarter than we are. We think we can hide from it, but the virus knows better.
"Catch 22" is a good phrase for this. The more we quarantine, the longer we are going to need to quarantine, because the virus is always going to be out there waiting for us to leave our houses. This virus is so contagious, that so long as it exists anywhere on the planet, it can cause another pandemic UNTIL THE POPULATION BECOMES IMMUNE.
We aren't going to become immune until we go out and get the virus in large numbers. I predict that we are going to start hearing the term "herd immunity" quite a bit as government at all levels succumbs to the reality of what the sequestration policy has wrought.
There is going to be a recognition that we are just going to have to bite the bullet and let the virus win over the short term so that humanity can win over the long term. It is an awful trade off, but we have no choice but to make it.
Yep. "Herd immunity" will win out in the end, as it has with every novel pathogen. @roamer_1 said so here, numerous times.
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Apparently this virus is smarter than we are. We think we can hide from it, but the virus knows better.
"Catch 22" is a good phrase for this. The more we quarantine, the longer we are going to need to quarantine, because the virus is always going to be out there waiting for us to leave our houses. This virus is so contagious, that so long as it exists anywhere on the planet, it can cause another pandemic UNTIL THE POPULATION BECOMES IMMUNE.
We aren't going to become immune until we go out and get the virus in large numbers. I predict that we are going to start hearing the term "herd immunity" quite a bit as government at all levels succumbs to the reality of what the sequestration policy has wrought.
There is going to be a recognition that we are just going to have to bite the bullet and let the virus win over the short term so that humanity can win over the long term. It is an awful trade off, but we have no choice but to make it.
That's pretty much how I see it.
It's far better to eat better, build your immunity, and take antivirals. But if Americans got one achilles heel, it's a near absolute defiance against taking responsibility and taking care of one's health.
I also really love the media meme that somehow being working class and wanting to get paychecks again is 'far-right'. Sounds like Old Sniffy and the rest of the Dems rhetoric to get rid of any jobs that aren't green, and the rest of us on welfare I guess.
Talk about minting millions of new Republicans for the coming election.
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He's in a tough spot, looking for the "Goldilocks Zone". (Not too soon, not too late, but just right)
People need to understand, too, that jumping the gun will mean we get to do all this all over again.
I read a very good local non-partisan article to that effect.
It stated we have avoided the worst, by complying well with "mitigating" measures, and as you state it could be undone, by discarding said measures.
My local police attemded a demonstration, and wrote advice to comply, in order to get this over with the best outcome for all.
I hardly accept the "over-reaction" version, with over 180 countries getting the virus.
The 1918 Sanish Flue epidemic lasted 3 years, not 3 months.
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Apparently this virus is smarter than we are. We think we can hide from it, but the virus knows better.
"Catch 22" is a good phrase for this. The more we quarantine, the longer we are going to need to quarantine, because the virus is always going to be out there waiting for us to leave our houses. This virus is so contagious, that so long as it exists anywhere on the planet, it can cause another pandemic UNTIL THE POPULATION BECOMES IMMUNE.
We aren't going to become immune until we go out and get the virus in large numbers. I predict that we are going to start hearing the term "herd immunity" quite a bit as government at all levels succumbs to the reality of what the sequestration policy has wrought.
There is going to be a recognition that we are just going to have to bite the bullet and let the virus win over the short term so that humanity can win over the long term. It is an awful trade off, but we have no choice but to make it.
I am nowhere near this level of pessimism.
Viruses do not live forever. Without a host, they die in short order. Think of the numerous viruses that are practically dead now. Smallpox, polio, and so on. Most people these days carry no vaccinations against them nor any immunity—but they haven't roared back because they no longer exist in the wild. SARS was eradicated after two waves, the second much smaller than the first.
Looking at the stats, the curve right now is largely being crushed. For how long, we don't know, because people are already starting to protest (see: Harrisburg), and that's a natural progression.
But to look at it from the other side, you can look at South Korea, and note the hundreds who have NOT developed immunity from this after getting it twice, and conclude that herd immunity might not even be possible with this virus.
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These same ones who are insisting that we remain imprisoned without due cause in violation of our 6th Amendment Rights are the same ones who were inticing an' encouraging millions of invasive species (many who are a direct threat to American citizens) to violate our laws all for their oen political gain.
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But to look at it from the other side, you can look at South Korea, and note the hundreds who have NOT developed immunity from this after getting it twice, and conclude that herd immunity might not even be possible with this virus.
I have thought about this too. The evidence that people can get it twice is very weak. Yes, they test positive, but the symptoms the second time are negligible, and it is a very, very small number in comparison to the numbers of people who have probably been exposed while carrying the antibody, and nothing happened.
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Here in Connecticut, we just had our highest one-day increase in infections and deaths yet:
1,853 new infections (19,815 total)
204 new deaths (1,331 total).
There doesn't seem to be "a peak" here, not yet.
"Open up for business", and those numbers will shoot up even higher, I reckon...
Victor wrote above in post 8:
"There is going to be a recognition that we are just going to have to bite the bullet and let the virus win over the short term so that humanity can win over the long term. It is an awful trade off, but we have no choice but to make it."
I don't contest what you wrote. It's reasoned and logical.
But if we do this, Mr. Trump (and the rest of the Republicans along with him) face a high possibility of losing the election in November.
Folks here had better face up to that.
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I have thought about this too. The evidence that people can get it twice is very weak. Yes, they test positive, but the symptoms the second time are negligible, and it is a very, very small number in comparison to the numbers of people who have probably been exposed while carrying the antibody, and nothing happened.
Important antibody tsting in Los Angeles County CA and Santa Clara County CA.
Siimilar findings. Should help with further analysis, and LA says they intend to conduct followups, which will yield much more knowledge.
including the degree of immunity.
Taken together, these studies aare among the most extensive, in America.
Discouraging about the amount of spread, encouraging about the percent fatality.
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Here in Connecticut, we just had our highest one-day increase in infections and deaths yet:
1,853 new infections (19,815 total)
204 new deaths (1,331 total).
There doesn't seem to be "a peak" here, not yet.
"Open up for business", and those numbers will shoot up even higher, I reckon...
Victor wrote above in post 8:
"There is going to be a recognition that we are just going to have to bite the bullet and let the virus win over the short term so that humanity can win over the long term. It is an awful trade off, but we have no choice but to make it."
I don't contest what you wrote. It's reasoned and logical.
But if we do this, Mr. Trump (and the rest of the Republicans along with him) face a high possibility of losing the election in November.
Folks here had better face up to that.
With the assumption that NO MATTER WHAT happens, the ABCNNBCBS media will inevitably blame Trump for the worst and give credit to 'heroic' Democrats for any good, no election will be a lock. Managing the number of cases so hospital facilities are not overwhelmed will be key, and that means addressing hot spots as they arise, the whole time we gather data about less severe cases, asymptomatic cases, and develop serious testing capabilities for antibodies.
Waiting on a vaccine, which may or may not provide the hoped for level of protection is not going to be a viable way to retain any economy. Oil won't pull the economy out this time, like it did in the 2000s and 2010s.
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Apparently this virus is smarter than we are. We think we can hide from it, but the virus knows better.
"Catch 22" is a good phrase for this. The more we quarantine, the longer we are going to need to quarantine, because the virus is always going to be out there waiting for us to leave our houses. This virus is so contagious, that so long as it exists anywhere on the planet, it can cause another pandemic UNTIL THE POPULATION BECOMES IMMUNE.
We aren't going to become immune until we go out and get the virus in large numbers. I predict that we are going to start hearing the term "herd immunity" quite a bit as government at all levels succumbs to the reality of what the sequestration policy has wrought.
There is going to be a recognition that we are just going to have to bite the bullet and let the virus win over the short term so that humanity can win over the long term. It is an awful trade off, but we have no choice but to make it.
The Edgar Allen Poe story The Masque of the Red Death is instructive. That was a smart fellow, even if he did marry his cousin.
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I am nowhere near this level of pessimism.
Viruses do not live forever. Without a host, they die in short order. Think of the numerous viruses that are practically dead now. Smallpox, polio, and so on. Most people these days carry no vaccinations against them nor any immunity—but they haven't roared back because they no longer exist in the wild. SARS was eradicated after two waves, the second much smaller than the first.
Looking at the stats, the curve right now is largely being crushed. For how long, we don't know, because people are already starting to protest (see: Harrisburg), and that's a natural progression.
But to look at it from the other side, you can look at South Korea, and note the hundreds who have NOT developed immunity from this after getting it twice, and conclude that herd immunity might not even be possible with this virus.
I like your glimmer of optimism; that viruses don't live forever, but keep in mind that the flu is a virus and it reappears every season and has done so for decades.
Consider:
Fact check: Herd immunity would not fully stop the spread of coronavirus
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/18/fact-check-herd-immunity-would-not-fully-stop-spread-coronavirus/5156368002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/18/fact-check-herd-immunity-would-not-fully-stop-spread-coronavirus/5156368002/)
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Consider:
Fact check: Herd immunity would not fully stop the spread of coronavirus
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/18/fact-check-herd-immunity-would-not-fully-stop-spread-coronavirus/5156368002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/18/fact-check-herd-immunity-would-not-fully-stop-spread-coronavirus/5156368002/)
Pretty good article. I agree that herd immunity will not eliminate the virus, but given the highly contagious nature of it, it would come under control a lot sooner if we did not quarantine ourselves. The only justification for the quarantine is to prevent hospital overcrowding. That threat only exists in a few places, and now that new treatment protocols have been developed, it appears that hospitalization periods will be dramatically reduced.
Another issue is the governors and their edicts about "essential" and "nonessential" businesses. There is no reason to close a business that can operate using social distancing. These governors should have instead closed business based on "safe" or "not safe." Obviously, restaurants, fitness clubs, beauty salons had to close. But why close golf courses? They could easily have adapted with one person per cart and other social distancing practices. The same with most retail establishments. There was no reason to shut down shopping malls, department stores, building centers and the like.
The virus is not a crisis of our own making, but the trashed economy is. A lot of the carnage could have been prevented.
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I like your glimmer of optimism; that viruses don't live forever, but keep in mind that the flu is a virus and it reappears every season and has done so for decades.
Consider:
Fact check: Herd immunity would not fully stop the spread of coronavirus
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/18/fact-check-herd-immunity-would-not-fully-stop-spread-coronavirus/5156368002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/18/fact-check-herd-immunity-would-not-fully-stop-spread-coronavirus/5156368002/)
With the flu:
Avian influenza (AI) viruses are classified by a combination of two groups of proteins: hemagglutinin or “H†proteins, of which there are 16 (H1 to H16), and neuraminidase or “N†proteins, of which there are nine (N1 to N9).
Many different combinations of “H†and “N†proteins are possible. Each combination is considered a different subtype and can be further broken down into different strains. AI viruses are further classified by their pathogenicity, low or high, based upon the ability of a particular virus strain to cause disease in chickens.
Highly pathogenic avian influenza viruses in poultry are usually H5 or H7 subtypes of Type A influenza, although low pathogenic forms of these H5 and H7 viruses also exist.
USGS environmental health website (https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/what-meaning-numbers-next-h-and-n-avian-influenza-designations?qt-news_science_products=0#qt-news_science_products)
So, of the 16, you get one, and of the 9 you get another, 144 possible combinations. Some infect humans, some don't. Some will kill you some won't. Multiple combinations may be in circulation at any given time.
Spin the wheel, pays your money takes your choice.
The flu keeps "coming back" because of the different variants possible.
Any given year, the "flu shot" is a guess as to what is to be most likely to be circulating that year, infectious, and lethal.
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Pretty good article. I agree that herd immunity will not eliminate the virus, but given the highly contagious nature of it, it would come under control a lot sooner if we did not quarantine ourselves. The only justification for the quarantine is to prevent hospital overcrowding. That threat only exists in a few places, and now that new treatment protocols have been developed, it appears that hospitalization periods will be dramatically reduced.
Another issue is the governors and their edicts about "essential" and "nonessential" businesses. There is no reason to close a business that can operate using social distancing. These governors should have instead closed business based on "safe" or "not safe." Obviously, restaurants, fitness clubs, beauty salons had to close. But why close golf courses? They could easily have adapted with one person per cart and other social distancing practices. The same with most retail establishments. There was no reason to shut down shopping malls, department stores, building centers and the like.
The virus is not a crisis of our own making, but the trashed economy is. A lot of the carnage could have been prevented.
Concerning herd imminity:
See studies from Stanford, concerning Santa Clara County CA, and from USC concerning Los Angeles County.
I don't claim expertice but oth studies indicate more infections and recoveries, than previously estimated.
That indicates more immunity, which in turn may align with the much lower infection/death rates ths far in California.
IOW it may have swept across CA earlier and more extensively than previously estimated, leaving more immune.
More research is needed to verify those types of conclusions. The LA County study indicates periiodic samplings in future, to verify and expand on findings.
Qualifications are routinely made, that we aren'tsure that "immunity" precludes re-infection, how long immunity lasts, etc.
While the infection rate appears much higher, and the death rate is much below previous estimates.
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I like your glimmer of optimism; that viruses don't live forever, but keep in mind that the flu is a virus and it reappears every season and has done so for decades.
Consider:
Fact check: Herd immunity would not fully stop the spread of coronavirus
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/18/fact-check-herd-immunity-would-not-fully-stop-spread-coronavirus/5156368002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/18/fact-check-herd-immunity-would-not-fully-stop-spread-coronavirus/5156368002/)
Herd immunity slows the rate of spreading infecttions, over time.
IOW when enough members of the "herd" are immune, it barely spreads.
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Whew, I thought it was just me. happy77
Its not the fact that he said it, but he said it after he encouraged crowds to form for protest and video shows them not social distancing. Not wearing masks. Potentially causing unknown numbers of COVID contact. The fact that he said it shows that he understands the severity of the problem and the danger that COVID poses He was right to design a safe plan to reopen the country. So it is double minded to undermine what is stable and right. I would have given him praise for following through and getting it done safely. But he blew it. He encouraged people to be unsafe just when it seemed they were working together. Double minded.
22222frying pan
James 1:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
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Double minded.
Many people admit to being of two minds, on this.
Empathetic to both sides. But that doesn't make it go away, or remove the two apparently conflicting viewpoints.
Adults readily admit there are unresolved conglicts, friction.
Political Adults, do Like the Stones say, "You Can't Always Get What You Want."
While doctors nurses work 18 hour days, you seemingly have an unhealthy amount of obsessive time devoted to your TDS.
Since on every thread you start with three posts, to anybody else, it appears you get paid/compensated, by the post.
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With the flu:
USGS environmental health website (https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/what-meaning-numbers-next-h-and-n-avian-influenza-designations?qt-news_science_products=0#qt-news_science_products)
So, of the 16, you get one, and of the 9 you get another, 144 possible combinations. Some infect humans, some don't. Some will kill you some won't. Multiple combinations may be in circulation at any given time.
Spin the wheel, pays your money takes your choice.
The flu keeps "coming back" because of the different variants possible.
Any given year, the "flu shot" is a guess as to what is to be most likely to be circulating that year, infectious, and lethal.
This is an important point, and many of the same issues with the influenza virus also affect coronavirus.
Human coronaviruses (coronaviri?) have been around for a very long time. This particular pathogen is one of many; it just happens to be much slower to infect and to leave than most, which contributes to its infectiousness and difficulty tracking it. Most others are no worse than the common cold. Chances are, a much weaker one will be circulating next year and we won't even notice it.
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Letter to the editor, Pittsburgh Tribune Review:
Will we get our rights back after covid-19?
Tribune-Review | Tuesday, April 21, 2020 5:00 a.m.
The Centers for Disease Control admits tests for covid-19 sent to states are flawed. The CDC also said the cause of death of those who tested positive for covid-19 is from covid-19 no matter the real cause of death. And that is with a flawed test! Hospitals are being reimbursed for uninsured patients who test positive, so a lot of those patients do test positive for covid-19. Surprise, surprise! Lots of dominoes are falling in our country.
Tyranny hitches a ride on the virus as a way to enter our lives. A young man in California was paddleboarding, not close to anyone, and was arrested for violating the stay-at-home order. Two pastors from Louisiana and Florida were arrested for refusal to cancel church services.
And our own Gov. Tom Wolf: A real wolf in sheep’s clothing. He closed turnpike rest areas but still collected the tolls, only rescinding the order after motorists and truckers protested. Wolf decides — arbitrarily? — what is an essential business to stay open, and makes others apply for waivers.
Dr. Anthony Fauci recommends we could “relax social distancing†once there are “no new cases and no deaths.†Bill Gates says “no large public gatherings†until a vaccine is available to everyone. Gates also proposes a digital certificate for each person who had covid-19 and survived and for those who got the vaccine.
When the virus has finally surrendered, do we get our rights back? To me, the virus lockdown resembles the reasons we are given for bogus wars.
Source (https://triblive.com/opinion/letter-to-the-editor-will-we-get-our-rights-back-after-covid-19/) @Applewood
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This is an important point, and many of the same issues with the influenza virus also affect coronavirus.
Human coronaviruses (coronaviri?) have been around for a very long time. This particular pathogen is one of many; it just happens to be much slower to infect and to leave than most, which contributes to its infectiousness and difficulty tracking it. Most others are no worse than the common cold. Chances are, a much weaker one will be circulating next year and we won't even notice it.
Well, now that the COVID-19 virus is here, however it got here, it will inevitably mutate. Some forms will be more dangerous, most will likely be less so or medically insignificant.
What will be different is that we will have more information, for starters, and we may well have a medical regimen that can render the virus relatively insignificant. Our actions, our pharmacology can evolve, also, but pursuing pharmacology (and alternative pharmacologies) effective against the entire class of pathogens might be a preferable course of action. That is the reason we developed antiviral medications in the first place, as opposed to solely relying on a flu vaccine that may or may not be effective against any particular year's emergent strain of influenza..
The more the virus mutates, the more a vaccine is aiming at a moving target.
While there is a fortune to be made in everyone getting a different vaccine every year, that simply may not even be a viable course of action.
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People are angry. They want to go back to work. If Trump facilitates a quick return to normal order (even though deaths from covid might continue to some degree) Trump will have their support and their votes in November.
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Thanks @mountaineer
When I was a little mite back in the 1950s, there were quarantines for different illnesses -- polio was one of them until the Salk vaccine was developed and I think there were quarantines for smallpox and tuberculosis. I was too young to really remember. I just vaguely remember the big orange QUARANTINE sign on my best friend's house. But back then, when people were told to stay home, they stayed home. In those days people were more trusting of their leaders If the president, surgeon general or some state or local official said "stand on your head," you would do it.
These days, we can't trust our leaders at all. I've said this before -- I don't trust anything about this outbreak. Not the number of cases/fatalities, not the preventative measures like staying home, wearing a mask and all the other horse manure foisted upon us in the name of stemming the outbreak of this disease. Somewhere in all of this, there is some hidden agenda or political motive. This is particularly true at this time because we have a presidential election coming up later this year (I hope) and both parties are looking for ways to use this outbreak for political gain. In the middle are us average shlubs confined to our homes, some of us out of work, unable to pay their bills, unable to see their loved ones, unable to get a haircut or anything else.
I don't know how long the quarantines of the 1950s lasted or what other restrictions were put in place back in the day, but surely, there has to be an end to all of this somewhere. Ok, maybe it's not good to throw open the doors of every business and let everyone in just yet. Maybe a gradual return to normalcy is best. But we have to start somewhere and the "sometime" is now.
By the way, I guess you heard Goobernor Wolf extended the stay-at-home order in PA to May 8, but he is going to allow some construction work and vehicular sales to resume. Dang it, man, open up the hair salons and barber shops. I need a haircut badly. Starting to look like a shaggy dog. LOL
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Road construction crews should be going full steam ahead right now, while traffic is down.
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Road construction crews should be going full steam ahead right now, while traffic is down.
@Smokin Joe
Not here. I've driven on roads in Baghdad in 2003 that had less craters in them than what you'll see in Colorado Springs.
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@Smokin Joe
Not here. I've driven on roads in Baghdad in 2003 that had less craters in them than what you'll see in Colorado Springs.
It's a Front Range thing, I think.
In the hills around Denver, as told to me during the Obama stimulus era, the signs went up and said "This road project funded by the stimulus act" or words to that effect. Those signs were removed later that year. No roadwork was done.
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By the way, I guess you heard Goobernor Wolf extended the stay-at-home order in PA to May 8, but he is going to allow some construction work and vehicular sales to resume. Dang it, man, open up the hair salons and barber shops. I need a haircut badly. Starting to look like a shaggy dog. LOL
@Applewood Gov. Cowpie in my neighboring state says he just can't see opening by May 4. This in a state with under 20 deaths, nearly all at a couple of nursing homes. Yes, we're looking shaggy!
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Road construction crews should be going full steam ahead right now, while traffic is down.
I think that's the kind of "construction" Goobernor Wolf is talking about. PennDOT (the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation responsible for state roads) is itching to start tearing up our roads again (an annual rite of spring in this state).
Now if the roof of your house blew off after a recent tornado in this state, well, you likely will have to wait.
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@Applewood Gov. Cowpie in my neighboring state says he just can't see opening by May 4. This in a state with under 20 deaths, nearly all at a couple of nursing homes. Yes, we're looking shaggy!
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Trump says we would have had millions of deaths if we hadn't shut down.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump (https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump)
Mixed messages ****sheep****
Link please... I cannot find ANY reference to Trump making such a statement.
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I think that's the kind of "construction" Goobernor Wolf is talking about. PennDOT (the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation responsible for state roads) is itching to start tearing up our roads again (an annual rite of spring in this state).
Now if the roof of your house blew off after a recent tornado in this state, well, you likely will have to wait.
I keep a couple of large tarps in the garage, just in case...
(Hopefully, the garage would still be there, or I could find them....)
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Of course they are far right. You don't REALLY expect Dims to protest because they aren't working,do you?