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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/236101-glenn-beck-im-out-of-the-republican-party (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/236101-glenn-beck-im-out-of-the-republican-party)
March 18, 2015, 12:40 pm
Beck: ‘I’m out of the Republican Party’
By Mark Hensch
Conservative talk show host Glenn Beck on Wednesday announced he is leaving the Republican Party.
“I’ve made my decision — I’m out,” Beck said Wednesday on “The Glenn Beck Program,” his broadcast on TheBlaze.com. “I’m out of the Republican Party. I am not a Republican. I will not give a dime to the Republican Party. I’m out.”
The host said Republicans lost him with their inaction on both ObamaCare and illegal immigration.
“All this stuff that they said and they ran and they said they were doing all of these great things and they were going to stand against ObamaCare and illegal immigration — they set us up,” Beck added. “They set us up. Enough is enough. They’re torpedoing the Constitution and they’re doing it knowingly.”
The former Fox News pundit also took issue with the GOP’s treatment of Tea Party lawmakers. Beck said that establishment Republicans had disrespected Sens. Mike Lee (R-Utah) and Ted Cruz (R-Texas), a likely 2016 GOP presidential candidate.
“They’re taking on people like Mike Lee and Ted Cruz and they’re torpedoing them,” Beck said. “And these guys are standing for the Constitution.”
Beck’s decision is not his only recent break with conservative ranks. Last Friday, the National Rifle Association’s website indicated it would investigate board member and right-wing activist Grover Norquist over possible sympathies for the Muslim Brotherhood. The move came after Beck aired accusations against Norquist during Friday’s broadcast.
“The people he hangs out with and the people he helps empower, they are agents of influence for the Muslim Brotherhood,” Beck said on Friday.
Beck said Monday that his decision to exit the GOP was inspired by their resistance to change.
“So I’m done with them,” he concluded. “Four years ago I was with them. Four years ago I said 'work from the inside: Let’s change it. Let’s get new guys in there.' I think it’s too late.”
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I left too and it didn't take me as long as Beck....
Please stay on topic with this thread.
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I left too and it didn't take me as long as Beck....
Please stay on topic with this thread.
What's the definition of "left" ?
If it's not giving any more money to any arm or the national party apparatus then I left a LONG time ago! If it's not working for or supporting some carefully selected Republican candidates then I haven't.
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What's the definition of "left" ?
If it's not giving any more money to any arm or the national party apparatus then I left a LONG time ago! If it's not working for or supporting some carefully selected Republican candidates then I haven't.
Well like you..I may support a Repub candidate and even donate directly to him...never again to the RNC
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Beck is a media hound, vying for attention. The GOP opposed Obamacare, and have opposed illegal immigration.
If leaving the Republican Party is such a wonderful step, how come Ted Cruz isn't doing it?
I always vote Republican. Ted Cruz is a Republican. Those who crave Cruz, ought to stand by him and proudly proclaim their alignment with him, where they want the Republican Party to be.
I personally think people who proclaim "I am not a Republican" want attention. An identity in the anonymous realm of cyber postings.
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So many of you acknowledge the ineffectiveness of Republicans and many are even starting to realize they're the same as the Democrats, but most still won't consider giving their vote to a third party. Why is that? Is it more of a waste to vote for a party that won't win until it manages to gain years of momentum, or is it more of a waste to vote for a party that will win and lead us down the same path we've been on?
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Me, too!
But, when it comes time to vote, I always vote for the R because there are no viable alternatives in a two-party system.
And also I'm afraid God would smite me if I ever pulled the lever for the D, or waste a vote on a 3rd party polling something like 18%.
Of course, in the event I were ever in a frame of mind to even consider voting D, I probably would already have been committed to a psychiatric hospital for the criminally insane.
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Beck is a media hound, vying for attention. The GOP opposed Obamacare, and have opposed illegal immigration.
If leaving the Republican Party is such a wonderful step, how come Ted Cruz isn't doing it?
I always vote Republican. Ted Cruz is a Republican. Those who crave Cruz, ought to stand by him and proudly proclaim their alignment with him, where they want the Republican Party to be.
I personally think people who proclaim "I am not a Republican" want attention. An identity in the anonymous realm of cyber postings.
I will always vote conservative or the best possible Repub...I will NEVER EVER vote for a DEM!
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Beck is a media hound, vying for attention. The GOP opposed Obamacare, and have opposed illegal immigration.
If leaving the Republican Party is such a wonderful step, how come Ted Cruz isn't doing it?
I always vote Republican. Ted Cruz is a Republican. Those who crave Cruz, ought to stand by him and proudly proclaim their alignment with him, where they want the Republican Party to be.
I personally think people who proclaim "I am not a Republican" want attention. An identity in the anonymous realm of cyber postings.
Yep! We conservatives should just enjoy the golden shower we continue to get and yell MORE please!
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I left too and it didn't take me as long as Beck....
Please stay on topic with this thread.
OK.
Beck is a fruitcake. This is not surprising.
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So many of you acknowledge the ineffectiveness of Republicans and many are even starting to realize they're the same as the Democrats, but most still won't consider giving their vote to a third party. Why is that? Is it more of a waste to vote for a party that won't win until it manages to gain years of momentum, or is it more of a waste to vote for a party that will win and lead us down the same path we've been on?
Third parties are a waste of time and money. Voting for one is like peeing all over yourself in a navy blue suit.
It might feel good, but nobody notices.
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But, when it comes time to vote, I always vote for the R because there are no viable alternatives in a two-party system.
It's only a two party system because we allow it to be such. The momentum for alternative parties has to start somewhere. The main parties have failed us.
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I'm going to the bathroom...
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Third parties are a waste of time and money. Voting for one is like peeing all over yourself in a navy blue suit.
It might feel good, but nobody notices.
Why are they a waste of time and money? This rationale reminds me of people that say their vote doesn't matter. Yeah, and if everybody said that there wouldn't be any votes. If everybody convinces themselves third parties are a waste of time then nobody will vote for them, but if their was a momentum shift we could actually doing something meaningful in politics for the first time in decades.
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I left too and it didn't take me as long as Beck....
Please stay on topic with this thread.
Ditto. I cut party affiliation ties a few years ago and stopped all political donations. I will vote pragmatically though.
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It's a chicken and egg situation.
Which comes first. A viable 3rd party candidate? Or, sufficient voter interest in voting for a 3rd party candidate.
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It's a chicken and egg situation.
Which comes first. A viable 3rd party candidate? Or, sufficient voter interest in voting for a 3rd party candidate.
There would be lots of viable candidates if sufficient interest in third parties existed.
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So many of you acknowledge the ineffectiveness of Republicans and many are even starting to realize they're the same as the Democrats, but most still won't consider giving their vote to a third party. Why is that? Is it more of a waste to vote for a party that won't win until it manages to gain years of momentum, or is it more of a waste to vote for a party that will win and lead us down the same path we've been on?
The problem is apples to apples, third party candidates are worse at best and more often than not, jokes. They usually run hoping that not being D or R is enough- it isn't.
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Why are they a waste of time and money? This rationale reminds me of people that say their vote doesn't matter. Yeah, and if everybody said that there wouldn't be any votes. If everybody convinces themselves third parties are a waste of time then nobody will vote for them, but if their was a momentum shift we could actually doing something meaningful in politics for the first time in decades.
In general...
Third party candidates will always divide and draw votes from the party they are most similar to thereby giving the advantage to the party in which they most differ. Who do you think Ross Perot drew most of his votes from: Bill Clinton or GHW Bush?
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The problem is apples to apples, third party candidates are worse at best and more often than not, jokes. They usually run hoping that not being D or R is enough- it isn't.
How are they worse?
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In general...
Third party candidates will always divide and draw votes from the party they are most similar to thereby giving the advantage to the party in which they most differ. Who do you think Ross Perot drew most of his votes from: Bill Clinton or GHW Bush?
In my view the difference between a D win and an R win is negligible at best. With that in mind it doesn't really matter which side the third party candidate is drawing votes from.
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In general...
Third party candidates will always divide and draw votes from the party they are most similar to thereby giving the advantage to the party in which they most differ. Who do you think Ross Perot drew most of his votes from: Bill Clinton or GHW Bush?
That's the dynamic clearly stated. Kudos.
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“They set us up. Enough is enough. They’re torpedoing the Constitution and they’re doing it knowingly.”
Sounds like Glenn Beck has been reading GourmetDan... :silly:
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How are they worse?
Often they have zero resume in any leadership or military sense (example, the AIP candidate a few years ago who owned a lawn mowing business) or focus their platforms on fringe policies. Bob Barr was the last third party candidate I can recall who had a good resume and tried to move off fringe issues and he ended up being trashed by his own party. Many times they can't even fill out filing forms correctly then blame a conspiracy when they don't make the ballot. Other times, they are Jesse Ventura- enough said.
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Sounds like Glenn Beck has been reading GourmetDan... :silly:
Dan, I know we are far from seeing eye to eye, but I've long suspected you might feel similarly when it comes to R vs D and third parties. You believe the Republicans are controlled opposition designed to "fight" the encroaching leftist agenda (please correct me if I've misunderstood any of your beliefs). Does that mean you would support a shift to alternative parties?
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That's the dynamic clearly stated. Kudos.
A fleeting moment of lucidity. :patriot:
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Often they have zero resume in any leadership or military sense (example, the AIP candidate a few years ago who owned a lawn mowing business) or focus their platforms on fringe policies. Bob Barr was the last third party candidate I can recall who had a good resume and tried to move off fringe issues and he ended up being trashed by his own party. Many times they can't even fill out filing forms correctly then blame a conspiracy when they don't make the ballot. Other times, they are Jesse Ventura- enough said.
What have those impressive resumes of prominent Republicans done to meaningfully advance the conservative agenda? Everyday people are exactly the kinds of people we need in office.
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In my view the difference between a D win and an R win is negligible at best. With that in mind it doesn't really matter which side the third party candidate is drawing votes from.
Sure it does. Taking votes away from the Republican candidate and voting third party could give us say, Obamacare? Tax-payer funded abortion?? Things that ought to matter to every conservative....
Saying that there is no difference between the parties is simply not accurate.
That being said, my husband and I also stopped giving money to the RNC a number of years ago, but we DO support individual candidates financially (regardless of what state they're running in), and we do tell the RNC callers that when they start acting like they're supposed to, we'll support them financially again.
So far it hasn't worked, but there's still hope. ^-^
As for Beck....... he's right about some things, and wrong about others.
Here, he's wrong.
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How are they worse?
They are worse because the REAL problem in Washington goes FAR beyond which political party is currently in power there! The entrenched career public 'servants" would run even more wild than they currently do if we elected a third party president!
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They are worse because the REAL problem in Washington goes FAR beyond which political party is currently in power there! The entrenched career public 'servants" would run even more wild than they currently do if we elected a third party president!
Great point!
Those 'servants' are ruling us all!
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They are worse because the REAL problem in Washington goes FAR beyond which political party is currently in power there! The entrenched career public 'servants" would run even more wild than they currently do if we elected a third party president!
Ah! You're looking down when you should be looking up...
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I no longer donate to the RNC either but I will to candidates. Seriously, it is my belief that the R's are becoming more in number and inching to the right at the state and local level. Too little, too late? Maybe, probably, could be? But it helps me keep a spark of... what? Optimism?
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They are worse because the REAL problem in Washington goes FAR beyond which political party is currently in power there! The entrenched career public 'servants" would run even more wild than they currently do if we elected a third party president!
We need term limits for all political offices; you'll get absolutely no argument from me there. I'm pretty sure most leftists agree with that as well, so I'm not sure why we can't get it done. If that happened would you support third parties?
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What have those impressive resumes of prominent Republicans done to meaningfully advance the conservative agenda? Everyday people are exactly the kinds of people we need in office.
Candidates with zero resumes showing proven leadership skills are the ones who get us in this mess. They come in with no experience and stay there for decades. see Obama, Reid, Boehner, etc. All had virtually no leadership resume when entering office. They never led a company or a battalion. Many never had to make payroll or balance a budget.
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We need term limits for all political offices; you'll get absolutely no argument from me there. I'm pretty sure most leftists agree with that as well, so I'm not sure why we can't get it done. If that happened would you support third parties?
No we don't need term limits for political offices! What we need is a MUCH smaller federal government, an end to public service unions, and a MAJOR revamp of civil service rules!
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No we don't need term limits for political offices! What we need is a MUCH smaller federal government, an end to public service unions, and a MAJOR revamp of civil service rules!
Do you think the Republican party is going to do those things?
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What we need to do is stop thinking everything will get better if we just elect XYZ. the politics and government we have is a symptom of the attitude of the people. Nothing will change until the people change. That is up to us working from the ground up, neighbor to neighbor, school to school, city to city, county to county. Change the foundation and you fix the top.
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We need term limits for all political offices; you'll get absolutely no argument from me there. I'm pretty sure most leftists agree with that as well, so I'm not sure why we can't get it done. If that happened would you support third parties?
We have term limits - elections.
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Do you think the Republican party is going to do those things?
With McConnell and Boehner in charge no! With younger and more conservative replacements for them YES!
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What we need to do is stop thinking everything will get better if we just elect XYZ. the politics and government we have is a symptom of the attitude of the people. Nothing will change until the people change. That is up to us working from the ground up, neighbor to neighbor, school to school, city to city, county to county. Change the foundation and you fix the top.
I agree wholeheartedly but submit that THAT work has largely been done already in most of the country!
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I stopped giving to the party a long time ago. GWB's second term, I think. That hasn't stopped them from continuing to ask for it. I still give money to specific candidates, including my congressman who is a Boehner supporter, but otherwise can be counted on most of the time. I will probably give Rand Paul some money, and I will probably give Scott Walker some money in the coming months. I have not changed my party registration, and have no intention of doing so.
I agree with Beck in principle, but in reality I can't think of a single third party candidate in my lifetime who I agreed with more than I agreed with the Republican in the race. OK, I take that back. I probably had more in common with Harry Browne than either Bob Dole or George Bush, but I voted for the Republicans anyway. Pragmatism. It's a bitch.
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We have term limits - elections.
Exactly. Term limits are a pipe dream, especially since a Constitutional amendment would be required for federal offices.
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I can't think of a single third party candidate in my lifetime who I agreed with more than I agreed with the Republican in the race.
If third parties were viable a lot of those Republicans you agree with would probably be willing to run for a third party instead. If we can get the momentum rolling there will be a multitude of viable third party candidates.
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If third parties were viable a lot of those Republicans you agree with would probably be willing to run for a third party instead. If we can get the momentum rolling there will be a multitude of viable third party candidates.
Discussions of 3rd parties reinforce my thesis, that many on the political right are math and logic challenged.
The GOP has LOST the national popular vote in 5 of the last 6 elections. The idea of further splitting that minority vote total, with another party to the right of the GOP is ridiculous.
In 2000 Buchanan was the big item, on the "conservative" interweb forums. Wow, look at how that worked out.
A more conservative 3rd party is just about the most damaging idea that can be conceived. It would lose badly, and also cause the Republican candidate to lose to the democrat, in usually GOP districts.
What does make sense is moving the GOP to the right, but not at the cost of losing elections.
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Discussions of 3rd parties reinforce my thesis, that many on the political right are math and logic challenged.
The GOP has LOST the national popular vote in 5 of the last 6 elections. The idea of further splitting that minority vote total, with another party to the right of the GOP is ridiculous.
In 2000 Buchanan was the big item, on the "conservative" interweb forums. Wow, look at how that worked out.
A more conservative 3rd party is just about the most damaging idea that can be conceived. It would lose badly, and also cause the Republican candidate to lose to the democrat, in usually GOP districts.
What does make sense is moving the GOP to the right, but not at the cost of losing elections.
You might not realize this but a lot of people on or around the left side of politics are completely fed up with the Democrats and only vote for them because they're afraid the Republicans will win if they don't. Sound familiar? A lot of young leftists are also for small government, which means conservatives could even draw from that crowd through certain third parties. What I am suggesting is a mass exodus from both main parties. I believe that needs to happen before any real progress will be made.
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I used to listen to Beck way back in the day. I thought he wasn't R. I thought he was a independent or even a libertarian? Don't listen to him now a days, some say he is off the deep end and has changed? I wouldn't know. He used to be hilarious.
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I stopped giving to the party a long time ago. GWB's second term, I think. That hasn't stopped them from continuing to ask for it. I still give money to specific candidates, including my congressman who is a Boehner supporter, but otherwise can be counted on most of the time. I will probably give Rand Paul some money, and I will probably give Scott Walker some money in the coming months. I have not changed my party registration, and have no intention of doing so.
I agree with Beck in principle, but in reality I can't think of a single third party candidate in my lifetime who I agreed with more than I agreed with the Republican in the race. OK, I take that back. I probably had more in common with Harry Browne than either Bob Dole or George Bush, but I voted for the Republicans anyway. Pragmatism. It's a bitch.
All politics are local to the extent of where my donations go.
I give money where I can see my money at work.
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What we need to do is stop thinking everything will get better if we just elect XYZ. the politics and government we have is a symptom of the attitude of the people. Nothing will change until the people change. That is up to us working from the ground up, neighbor to neighbor, school to school, city to city, county to county. Change the foundation and you fix the top.
Hear, hear!
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What have those impressive resumes of prominent Republicans done to meaningfully advance the conservative agenda? Everyday people are exactly the kinds of people we need in office.
Here's the other side of that coin.
We tend to gravitate toward those candidates who can A) give great speeches that B) basically support everything that we already believe in in those speeches, BUT simply parroting back our beliefs to earn our votes does not mean that they will be able to actually DO anything about advancing those beliefs.
There is no, nor will there ever be, a politician savior in our future.
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Beck is a media hound, vying for attention. The GOP opposed Obamacare, and have opposed illegal immigration.
If leaving the Republican Party is such a wonderful step, how come Ted Cruz isn't doing it?
I always vote Republican. Ted Cruz is a Republican. Those who crave Cruz, ought to stand by him and proudly proclaim their alignment with him, where they want the Republican Party to be.
I personally think people who proclaim "I am not a Republican" want attention. An identity in the anonymous realm of cyber postings.
Ouch...
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I became so discouraged when Boehner took impeachment off the table. On the other hand, I am grateful to Boehner for inviting Netanyahu to speak before Congress. So I am conflicted. I guess I'm lucky in a way because I cannot afford to send any money to the Republicans, anyway! So there.
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Dan, I know we are far from seeing eye to eye, but I've long suspected you might feel similarly when it comes to R vs D and third parties. You believe the Republicans are controlled opposition designed to "fight" the encroaching leftist agenda (please correct me if I've misunderstood any of your beliefs). Does that mean you would support a shift to alternative parties?
If that is TRULY the case, then let's shut this site down, open up a movie and TV trivia site and go hand out there, because it is over Johnny.
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What we need to do is stop thinking everything will get better if we just elect XYZ. the politics and government we have is a symptom of the attitude of the people. Nothing will change until the people change. That is up to us working from the ground up, neighbor to neighbor, school to school, city to city, county to county. Change the foundation and you fix the top.
:amen:
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I have some confessions to make.
I'm a RINO. Republican in name only, only because my state has closed primaries and I can't vote in primaries if not registered in one of the two parties that have a monopoly in my state.
I vote for the person - not the party. I have voted for Democrats in local elections where I know the person. I have voted third party too, in state elections because of issues I care about. I almost always vote Republican nationally though.
I thought Glenn Beck had left the Republican party a long time ago and that he already considered himself to be a libertarian.
I stopped giving money to the RNC when John McCain became our nominee. I kept sending their beggar letters back to them with my opinions until they stopped sending them to me. I still give money to individual candidates. Did you know Matt Bevin is running as a Republican for Governor of Kentucky? Yep, I gave him money.
I vote for the person, not the party.
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I vote for the person, not the party.
Congratulations on having the ability to think for yourself; it's a rare thing to have these days. ^-^
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I'm starting to wonder if the Parliamentary system isn't better than what we have. At least I would have a vote that counts.
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Some of us posting here came of age in the transformative 60s. When our sheer numbers and our audacity of youth scared our parents and when we tested the limits of social norms.
We questioned the war in South East Asia and as history suggests, our influence hastened it's demise.
We swore always to question authority.
So what happened?
We capitulated. In the vernacular of our generation, we sold out. We are establishment.
I pray Gen Xers gets it right.
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When has Glenn ever been a Republican? He has always said he was a Libertarian. Glenn even played the part of giving the Libertarian response to the State of the Union speech. Going back two elections, he has on occasion used his soap box to oppose all the Republican front runners. Until the field is narrowed then he jumps onboard. He has done the same thing during the last two elections, and as a listener, I remember being angered a bit with his speech saying he could not vote for the Republican candidate in both 2008, and 2012.
This headline from Oct 2012... "Glenn Beck Might Not Vote For Mitt Romney"
Jun 25, 2008 - Glenn Beck says he won't vote for Obama but may not vote for McCain, either.
Not worried about Beck, he understands the importance of not handing the election over to Hillary. He will once again jump onboard later in the campaign. I'm more worried about the listeners that are swayed by his talk of not going to the polls, or voting third party. These elections are now too close to drive conservative voters away, from the only person than can prevent 8-years of Hillary.
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When has Glenn ever been a Republican? He has always said he was a Libertarian. Glenn even played the part of giving the Libertarian response to the State of the Union speech. Going back two elections, he has on occasion used his soap box to oppose all the Republican front runners. Until the field is narrowed then he jumps onboard. He has done the same thing during the last two elections, and as a listener, I remember being angered a bit with his speech saying he could not vote for the Republican candidate in both 2008, and 2012.
This headline from Oct 2012... "Glenn Beck Might Not Vote For Mitt Romney"
Jun 25, 2008 - Glenn Beck says he won't vote for Obama but may not vote for McCain, either.
Not worried about Beck, he understands the importance of not handing the election over to Hillary. He will once again jump onboard later in the campaign. I'm more worried about the listeners that are swayed by his talk of not going to the polls, or voting third party. These elections are now too close to drive conservative voters away, from the only person than can prevent 8-years of Hillary.
I'm surprised he didn't make people wait a week before saying something.
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Discussions of 3rd parties reinforce my thesis, that many on the political right are math and logic challenged.
The GOP has LOST the national popular vote in 5 of the last 6 elections. The idea of further splitting that minority vote total, with another party to the right of the GOP is ridiculous.
In 2000 Buchanan was the big item, on the "conservative" interweb forums. Wow, look at how that worked out.
A more conservative 3rd party is just about the most damaging idea that can be conceived. It would lose badly, and also cause the Republican candidate to lose to the democrat, in usually GOP districts.
What does make sense is moving the GOP to the right, but not at the cost of losing elections.
But if the GOP is going to lose anyway, why continue to support a sinking ship? It's a lose-lose scenario. The country is addicted to liberalism.
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But if the GOP is going to lose anyway, why continue to support a sinking ship? It's a lose-lose scenario. The country is addicted to liberalism.
Why would the GOP lose "anyway"?
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But if the GOP is going to lose anyway, why continue to support a sinking ship? It's a lose-lose scenario. The country is addicted to liberalism.
And the flip side is the wins of both chambers' majorities, as well as governorships and statehouse majorities. Not a sinking ship.
The 3rd party fantasy is a way to express frustration, naivety, inexperience, etc. Changing the GOP from within, slowly, persistently is the way to go.
Massachusetts and some California Republicans may not be just your cup of tea, but they are better than the alternatives.
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And the flip side is the wins of both chambers' majorities, as well as governorships and statehouse majorities. Not a sinking ship.
The 3rd party fantasy is a way to express frustration, naivety, inexperience, etc. Changing the GOP from within, slowly, persistently is the way to go.
Massachusetts and some California Republicans may not be just your cup of tea, but they are better than the alternatives.
Agree t_s. It takes time and it can be extraordinarily painful. We all know, don't we?
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Massachusetts and some California Republicans may not be just your cup of tea, but they are better than the alternatives.
I am not sure I agree with this. In general, I think both Massachusetts and California tend to be better managed by liberals.
A system built on a lie can work so long as everyone buys into the lie. Look at the Amish. They believe the world is flat, they take Genesis literally, and they eschew modern technology. That doesn't keep them from thriving and living happy lives. Californians and Massachusites also embrace a number of delusions, but they get by on liberal faith.
Personally, I like Texas way better than California, and I was born in California. But if I was a hippie-dippie, new age millennial metro-sexual surfer boy I think I'd like California and lib politicians just fine.
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I am not sure I agree with this. In general, I think both Massachusetts and California tend to be better managed by liberals.
A system built on a lie can work so long as everyone buys into the lie. Look at the Amish. They believe the world is flat, they take Genesis literally, and they eschew modern technology. That doesn't keep them from thriving and living happy lives. Californians and Massachusites also embrace a number of delusions, but they get by on liberal faith.
Personally, I like Texas way better than California, and I was born in California. But if I was a hippie-dippie, new age millennial metro-sexual surfer boy I think I'd like California and lib politicians just fine.
It's obvious that many people prefer fiction to reality. And their fiction becomes their reality, despite facts to the contrary. It's not that they don't understand the facts, they just don't care and they ignore them.
That's a concept we conservatives find impossible to understand because we think everyone wants to know the truth.
They don't.
It's like Cypher in the Matrix. He knew the Matrix wasn't real but he wanted it anyway. And he killed his friends to get there.
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It's obvious that many people prefer fiction to reality. And their fiction becomes their reality, despite facts to the contrary. It's not that they don't understand the facts, they just don't care and they ignore them.
That's a concept we conservatives find impossible to understand because we think everyone wants to know the truth.
They don't.
It's like Cypher in the Matrix. He knew the Matrix wasn't real but he wanted it anyway. And he killed his friends to get there.
There are few things more dangerous in the world of power politics than people who are convinced that they, and they alone are the sole keepers of some truth that the masses can't seem to fathom.
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people who are convinced that they, and they alone are the sole keepers of some truth that the masses can't seem to fathom.
You just described most people of any political ideology.
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You just described most people of any political ideology.
There here among us too. :laugh:
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"...the masses can't seem to fathom."
That part is actually true. The masses are in general, politically ignorant.
Gruber knew it...he depended on it.
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You just described most people of any political ideology.
Don't confuse most people with people in forums like ours.
Most people hate politics.
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Most people hate politics.
I've never understood this. Almost every aspect of their lives is affected by the politics they choose to remain ignorant of. I get so frustrated with people that act like politics is just a boring waste of time. Maybe instead of familiarizing themselves with all of the characters on the newest reality TV shows they should take a brief moment to familiarize themselves with the people that represent them and the ramifications of the decisions they make. I know I shouldn't but I silently judge the intelligence of people that don't care about politics.
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I've never understood this. Almost every aspect of their lives is affected by the politics they choose to remain ignorant of. I get so frustrated with people that act like politics is just a boring waste of time. Maybe instead of familiarizing themselves with all of the characters on the newest reality TV shows they should take a brief moment to familiarize themselves with the people that represent them and the ramifications of the decisions they make. I know I shouldn't but I silently judge the intelligence of people that don't care about politics.
I do too. If you look at the numbers of people that actually bother to vote - even for president, much less in local elections - it's very depressing and doesn't give one much hope for the future.
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You just described most people of any political ideology.
Not really. Some people who hold ideological positions often feel that those positions are as blatantly obvious as gravity and are mystified that there should be anyone who managed to complete grade school who doesn't see the truth of those positions.
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Don't confuse most people with people in forums like ours.
Most people hate politics.
Hell, this is about the only place I ever discuss the topic.
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Hell, this is about the only place I ever discuss the topic.
Same here, 'Jay'. Learned it at considerable expense. LOL!
Seems most of my lady friend's family and circle-of-influence are progressive liberals. Every once in awhile we'd go out to dinner with her sister, her husband their two best friends.
.....uh.....we don't anymore, and I haven't seen their two best friends since after the 2010 mid-terms.
:laugh:
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Hell, this is about the only place I ever discuss the topic.
Me, too. I happen to be at a point in life when I am about to have the opportunity to reinvent myself, and as I think about my priorities, one option for me is to focus more on political activism, maybe get heavily involved in the 2016 race. But when I really think about it, I realize that politics tends to bring out the worst in me rather than the best, and I think I'd be happier and more productive putting it on a tighter leash rather than expanding that area.
My other interests are academic research, teaching, golf, and dealing in art and antiques. Other than golf, all of these are things where I have a great deal more control (golf controls me, but that's another story). I have come to realize that being self-reliant is key to my happiness. Every time I have allocated some of my sovereignty to another person, I have been disappointed, and my only successes were instances in which I controlled the outcome.
Politics? Fuhgedabout controlling it as an individual. It's a free-for-all.
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Me, too. I happen to be at a point in life when I am about to have the opportunity to reinvent myself, and as I think about my priorities, one option for me is to focus more on political activism, maybe get heavily involved in the 2016 race. But when I really think about it, I realize that politics tends to bring out the worst in me rather than the best, and I think I'd be happier and more productive putting it on a tighter leash rather than expanding that area.
My other interests are academic research, teaching, golf, and dealing in art and antiques. Other than golf, all of these are things where I have a great deal more control (golf controls me, but that's another story). I have come to realize that being self-reliant is key to my happiness. Every time I have allocated some of my sovereignty to another person, I have been disappointed, and my only successes were instances in which I controlled the outcome.
Politics? Fuhgedabout controlling it as an individual. It's a free-for-all.
During the Revolutionary War, Washington and friends didn't ignore the Loyalists.
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Luis wrote above:
[[ Don't confuse most people with people in forums like ours.
Most people hate politics. ]]
Justifiably so!
I'm reaching the point in life where -- after coming from the left to see the error of my ways and join the right -- I see that while the left never ceases in its efforts to "degrade and destroy" the foundations of Western Civilization, the right seems content to blabber on and feel smug in the self-assurance that our side "knows better".
And in the meantime, the democrats totally support the leftist assault, while the Pubbies talk a talk, yet are afraid to take even tiny baby steps towards walkin' the walk.
Meanwhile, the defenders of the Republican establishment in this forum keep repeating the mantra, "don't worry, it takes time, just keep voting for us, it will make a difference".
Well.
It don't seem to makin' much difference, and I'll be long-dead by "the time" it takes for anything to change.
But not to worry.
The left ain't gonna be in charge forever.
Because, eventually the muslims will wrest control, and slaughter the leftists along with the rest of us!
So... politics can go to the devil.
If the weather ever warms up again here (too much climate change, indeed), I'll get back on the Harley for as long as I can keep it upright, go for a good long ride, and forget about the rest of it...
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Me, too. I happen to be at a point in life when I am about to have the opportunity to reinvent myself, and as I think about my priorities, one option for me is to focus more on political activism, maybe get heavily involved in the 2016 race. But when I really think about it, I realize that politics tends to bring out the worst in me rather than the best, and I think I'd be happier and more productive putting it on a tighter leash rather than expanding that area.
My other interests are academic research, teaching, golf, and dealing in art and antiques. Other than golf, all of these are things where I have a great deal more control (golf controls me, but that's another story). I have come to realize that being self-reliant is key to my happiness. Every time I have allocated some of my sovereignty to another person, I have been disappointed, and my only successes were instances in which I controlled the outcome.
Politics? Fuhgedabout controlling it as an individual. It's a free-for-all.
Maybe you have hit upon the reason some people here don't like me much!
This is DEFINITELY NOT the only place I discuss politics and that has been the case for a LONG time now! Maybe too long!
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Luis wrote above:
[[ Don't confuse most people with people in forums like ours.
Most people hate politics. ]]
Justifiably so!
I'm reaching the point in life where -- after coming from the left to see the error of my ways and join the right -- I see that while the left never ceases in its efforts to "degrade and destroy" the foundations of Western Civilization, the right seems content to blabber on and feel smug in the self-assurance that our side "knows better".
And in the meantime, the democrats totally support the leftist assault, while the Pubbies talk a talk, yet are afraid to take even tiny baby steps towards walkin' the walk.
Meanwhile, the defenders of the Republican establishment in this forum keep repeating the mantra, "don't worry, it takes time, just keep voting for us, it will make a difference".
Well.
It don't seem to makin' much difference, and I'll be long-dead by "the time" it takes for anything to change.
But not to worry.
The left ain't gonna be in charge forever.
Because, eventually the muslims will wrest control, and slaughter the leftists along with the rest of us!
So... politics can go to the devil.
If the weather ever warms up again here (too much climate change, indeed), I'll get back on the Harley for as long as I can keep it upright, go for a good long ride, and forget about the rest of it...
Speaking as one who has been on the inside of politics in Texas for many years now I can't tell you how right you are in the first part of your post!
I sincerely HOPE you are NOT right in the last part of it.
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"I sincerely HOPE you are NOT right in the last part of it."
I think a lot depends on how much the great destroyer can accomplish in the next year and a half. I understand the poster's point, it's so easy to get totally frustrated with pubbies and their ilk.
So much depends on 2016. If we go down the Bush road, well..........(you can fill in the blank)
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and slaughter the leftists along with the rest of us!
the will get them first
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During the Revolutionary War, Washington and friends didn't ignore the Loyalists.
But they got Canada.
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Was he ever really in the GOP?