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Title: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: mystery-ak on January 27, 2020, 02:27:51 pm
Kristina Wong26 Jan 20202,430
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Chuck Cooper, an attorney for former National Security Adviser John Bolton, said that Bolton’s book manuscript was submitted to the National Security Council for a standard review for classified information, but its contents appear to have been leaked to the New York Times.

Cooper was reacting to a story in the Times that alleges President Donald Trump told Bolton that he wanted to withhold aid to Ukraine until it completed investigations Trump had requested.

Cooper said in a statement:

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On December 30, 2019, I submitted, on behalf of Ambassador Bolton, a book manuscript to the National Security Council’s Records Management Division for standard prepublication security review for classified information. As explained in my cover letter to Ellen J. Knight, Senior Director of the Records Management Division, we submitted the manuscript notwithstanding our firm belief that the manuscript contained no information that could reasonably be considered classified and on the assurance that the ‘process of reviewing submitted materials is restricted to those career government officials and employees regularly charged with responsibility for such reviews’ and the ‘contents of Ambassador Bolton’s manuscript will not be reviewed or otherwise disclosed to any personals not regularly involved in that process. A copy of my December 30 letter is attached. It is clear, regrettably, from The New York Times article published today that the prepublication review process has been corrupted and that information has been disclosed by persons other than those properly involved in reviewing the manuscript.

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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/26/boltons-lawyer-draft-book-was-leaked-to-new-york-times/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/26/boltons-lawyer-draft-book-was-leaked-to-new-york-times/)
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: mystery-ak on January 27, 2020, 02:30:09 pm
Trump Denies New York Times Report on John Bolton Book
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/26/trump-denies-new-york-times-report-on-john-bolton-book/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/26/trump-denies-new-york-times-report-on-john-bolton-book/)
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: mystery-ak on January 27, 2020, 02:31:21 pm
Imagine that


CNN’s Stelter: John Bolton Book Goes on Pre-Order at Amazon after NYT Story
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/26/cnns-stelter-john-bolton-book-goes-on-pre-order-at-amazon-after-nyt-story/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/26/cnns-stelter-john-bolton-book-goes-on-pre-order-at-amazon-after-nyt-story/)
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: mystery-ak on January 27, 2020, 02:48:55 pm
Report: John Bolton Undercuts Trump’s Main Ukraine Defense In Book Manuscript
https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/26/john-bolton-book-ukraine-trump/
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: mystery-ak on January 27, 2020, 02:52:17 pm
'Bombshell' Excerpt from Bolton Book Leaks, But the Timing Is Very Suspect
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2020/01/27/bolton-n2560152
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 27, 2020, 03:13:09 pm
Someone is lying.  Which one?
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: TomSea on January 27, 2020, 04:31:18 pm
I don't see John Bolton as lying but I do wonder, why come out with this?

Does anyone think Bolton lies? But if what he says is true, I don't think it necessarily means that now, wrongdoing was done. Hardly, one could still say it's about investigating corruption.

And no wrongdoing was done, possibly poor judgement.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: mystery-ak on January 27, 2020, 05:06:11 pm
I don't see John Bolton as lying but I do wonder, why come out with this?

Does anyone think Bolton lies? But if what he says is true, I don't think it necessarily means that now, wrongdoing was done. Hardly, one could still say it's about investigating corruption.

And no wrongdoing was done, possibly poor judgement.

I really liked Bolton and I am dismayed that he might of done this to get back at Trump and to sell his book.....so far he has not issued a statement to stop this madness...very telling.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: TomSea on January 27, 2020, 05:11:26 pm
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John Bolton
@AmbJohnBolton
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Today is International Holocaust Remembrance Day & the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau.  #WeRemember
 the victims who perished during the Holocaust.  Antisemitism is a threat not just to Jews but to society as a whole.  We must fight it wherever we see it.

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John Bolton
@AmbJohnBolton
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Jan 21
Great meeting today with Cindy and Fred Warmbier.  Sadly, they know better than anyone of the brutality and dishonesty of the Kim Jung Un regime.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO02DpeWkAEE_5j?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitter.com/ambjohnbolton

Last two tweets from Bolton's twitter account, I hope to gosh, he displays not just honesty but integrity and character here.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: mystery-ak on January 27, 2020, 05:23:07 pm
Rush.."This isn't the John Bolton I know"
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: skeeter on January 27, 2020, 05:23:34 pm
I don't see John Bolton as lying but I do wonder, why come out with this?

Does anyone think Bolton lies? But if what he says is true, I don't think it necessarily means that now, wrongdoing was done. Hardly, one could still say it's about investigating corruption.

And no wrongdoing was done, possibly poor judgement.

Bolton will have to choose between selling books and refusing to allow himself to be used as a rat tool.

We shall soon see what he is made of.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 27, 2020, 05:31:02 pm
Who, in the prepublication review for classified material process, leaked the  book? Especially to the NYT?
While the book has not yet been released for publication, there is no access to the primary alleged source, so anything can be claimed by the leaker, in or out of context. 

There are more moles to ferret out. Too many residual rodents in this administration.

There is someone else who should lose their job.

If they were doing this to Hillary, they'd be found with a half-dozen "self-inflicted" gunshot wounds to the back of their head.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: DB on January 27, 2020, 05:36:02 pm
I really liked Bolton and I am dismayed that he might of done this to get back at Trump and to sell his book.....so far he has not issued a statement to stop this madness...very telling.

Or it may simply be the truth. If it is the truth, Bolton is not obligated to hide a lie. Why stain himself with someone else's lie?

I think Trump should have just come out and said "ya, I was threatening to withhold US aid until some of the major corruption that came to our attention was investigated and cleaned up". Hard to argue with that.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: DB on January 27, 2020, 05:37:21 pm
Who, in the prepublication review for classified material process, leaked the  book? Especially to the NYT?
While the book has not yet been released for publication, there is no access to the primary alleged source, so anything can be claimed by the leaker, in or out of context. 

There are more moles to ferret out. Too many residual rodents in this administration.

There is someone else who should lose their job.

If they were doing this to Hillary, they'd be found with a half-dozen "self-inflicted" gunshot wounds to the back of their head.

It could have been the publisher. It would obviously sell more books...
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: DB on January 27, 2020, 05:38:32 pm
Bolton will have to choose between selling books and refusing to allow himself to be used as a rat tool.

We shall soon see what he is made of.

Where does the truth fit in in that calculation?
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: mystery-ak on January 27, 2020, 05:40:44 pm
Or it may simply be the truth. If it is the truth, Bolton is not obligated to hide a lie. Why stain himself with someone else's lie?

I think Trump should have just come out and said "ya, I was threatening to withhold US aid until some of the major corruption that came to our attention was investigated and cleaned up". Hard to argue with that.

Yes...I do agree with that..
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 27, 2020, 05:46:24 pm
It could have been the publisher. It would obviously sell more books...


From the OP:

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Bolton’s book manuscript was submitted to the National Security Council for a standard review for classified information, but its contents appear to have been leaked to the New York Times.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: TomSea on January 27, 2020, 05:57:28 pm
Or it may simply be the truth. If it is the truth, Bolton is not obligated to hide a lie. Why stain himself with someone else's lie?

I think Trump should have just come out and said "ya, I was threatening to withhold US aid until some of the major corruption that came to our attention was investigated and cleaned up". Hard to argue with that.

That's a pretty astute observation.

If Bolton knew this, they should have approached this differently, perhaps that is the potential danger of having a household name in the administration like Bolton.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: DB on January 27, 2020, 10:34:22 pm

From the OP:

I understand that. Both the publisher and NSC had the documents to leak. That's all I was trying to say.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 28, 2020, 12:30:37 am
I understand that. Both the publisher and NSC had the documents to leak. That's all I was trying to say.
Why the publisher if there is any question of secure material being in the book?
That should be cleared first, then the publisher would get it, unless the publisher has a security clearance.

Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: Absalom on January 28, 2020, 12:45:10 am
What are the precise words that Bolton used in his book?????
 
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: Bigun on January 28, 2020, 12:48:36 am
What are the precise words that Bolton used in his book?????

You will have to read the book because the NY Times did not quote them.  They quoted an unnamed source who had allegedly seen them. 

Typical NY Times BS in other words.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: skeeter on January 28, 2020, 12:51:07 am
You will have to read the book because the NY Times did not quote them.  They quoted an unnamed source who had allegedly seen them. 

Typical NY Times BS in other words.

How many times have they pulled this exact same BS against this administration only to have it turn out to be nothing.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: Bigun on January 28, 2020, 12:59:33 am
How many times have they pulled this exact same BS against this administration only to have it turn out to be nothing.

I've lost count but it's many.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: Fishrrman on January 28, 2020, 01:04:42 am
C'mon, folks.
How much of which is printed in the New York Times these days, do you actually believe?
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 28, 2020, 01:08:50 am
Someone is lying.  Which one?

The person who coordinated the release of the dirt on Kavanaugh and Roy Moore.  If the timing seems suspiciously perfect, it's because it's in the Rat's playbook.  Always do a document drop the day it becomes impossible to vet the information in time.  And people who should know better lap it up.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: catfish1957 on January 28, 2020, 01:14:24 am
Am I out of line in the conclusion that if the NYT truly got a copy, that this had to come from a NSC leak?

If that is the case, the POTUS may have a lot bigger problem than we realize.  ...  A dim plant in the inner circle out to sabotage him.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: txradioguy on January 28, 2020, 01:32:42 am
Who, in the prepublication review for classified material process, leaked the  book? Especially to the NYT?
While the book has not yet been released for publication, there is no access to the primary alleged source, so anything can be claimed by the leaker, in or out of context. 

There are more moles to ferret out. Too many residual rodents in this administration.

There is someone else who should lose their job.


If they were doing this to Hillary, they'd be found with a half-dozen "self-inflicted" gunshot wounds to the back of their head.

@Smokin Joe

A report I read today via Breitbart says LTC Vindmans twin brother is the one at the NSA that vets books like Bolton's to make sure nothing classified is in the pages.

Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: DB on January 28, 2020, 01:35:00 am
Why the publisher if there is any question of secure material being in the book?
That should be cleared first, then the publisher would get it, unless the publisher has a security clearance.

What was quoted wouldn't require a security clearance. There would be no risk to the publisher to leak what was quoted.

If the NYT got a copy of the entire book prior to being cleared that's another thing. Is that what is being claimed?
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: skeeter on January 28, 2020, 01:35:01 am
Am I out of line in the conclusion that if the NYT truly got a copy, that this had to come from a NSC leak?

If that is the case, the POTUS may have a lot bigger problem than we realize.  ...  A dim plant in the inner circle out to sabotage him.

Last I heard that punk Vindman’s twin brother worked at the NSC and was the no. one suspect. Has that been officially debunked?
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: DB on January 28, 2020, 01:36:53 am
Last I heard that punk Vindman’s twin brother worked at the NSC and was the no. one suspect. Has that been officially debunked?

I heard that too. If the leak can be traced to him there will be a clear violation of law.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: txradioguy on January 28, 2020, 01:40:02 am
@skeeter @DB

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/26/source-alexander-vindmans-brother-yevgeny-clears-publications-by-nsc-officials/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/26/source-alexander-vindmans-brother-yevgeny-clears-publications-by-nsc-officials/)
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: Bigun on January 28, 2020, 01:42:04 am
Now both of the Vindiman brothers are or should be in real legal jeopardy.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: DB on January 28, 2020, 01:45:51 am
@skeeter @DB

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/26/source-alexander-vindmans-brother-yevgeny-clears-publications-by-nsc-officials/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/26/source-alexander-vindmans-brother-yevgeny-clears-publications-by-nsc-officials/)

So let me guess, it is going to be that it was cleared for security concerns just prior to being leaked avoiding legal jeopardy...
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: skeeter on January 28, 2020, 01:46:06 am
@skeeter @DB

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/26/source-alexander-vindmans-brother-yevgeny-clears-publications-by-nsc-officials/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/26/source-alexander-vindmans-brother-yevgeny-clears-publications-by-nsc-officials/)
Yeah it seems pretty obvious. Hopefully the bastard will at least lose his job.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: txradioguy on January 28, 2020, 01:50:47 am
Yeah it seems pretty obvious. Hopefully the bastard will at least lose his job.

I'd be surprised if either Vindman brother loses their job.

They've got top cover from the Dems.  And getting a career burrecrat out of their job is like getting the head of a tick out of your dog.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 28, 2020, 01:53:01 am
I'd be surprised if either Vindman brother loses their job.

They've got top cover from the Dems.  And getting a career burrecrat out of their job is like getting the head of a tick out of your dog.

Use the same method, I guess.  Set their asses on fire and let them back out. :whistle:
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: skeeter on January 28, 2020, 01:53:30 am
I'd be surprised if either Vindman brother loses their job.

They've got top cover from the Dems.  And getting a career burrecrat out of their job is like getting the head of a tick out of your dog.

Why not. Bruce Orr still has his.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: Bigun on January 28, 2020, 01:58:16 am
Use the same method, I guess.  Set their asses on fire and let them back out. :whistle:

That method has never once failed me!
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: Bigun on January 28, 2020, 01:59:02 am
Why not. Bruce Orr still has his.

I hoping because he is rolling over on lots of people.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: Absalom on January 28, 2020, 02:05:12 am
How many times have they pulled this exact same BS against this administration only to have it turn out to be nothing.
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If this is a stunt, bet a clear purpose is to keep the msm spotlight riveted on impeachment while it drags on and on and on; since time is their ally and the mortal enemy of the Administration.
No only is Trump the defendant; he is now playing defense, which is far worse!!!


Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: skeeter on January 28, 2020, 02:20:21 am
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If this is a stunt, bet a clear purpose is to keep the msm spotlight riveted on impeachment while it drags on and on and on; since time is their ally and the mortal enemy of the Administration.
No only is Trump the defendant; he is now playing defense, which is far worse!!!

It is a stunt, and you’re right - it’s very much in Trumps interests to sh*tcan this charade ASAP. If for no other reason than to free up the senate to confirm more judges.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 28, 2020, 05:34:10 am
@Smokin Joe

A report I read today via Breitbart says LTC Vindmans twin brother is the one at the NSA that vets books like Bolton's to make sure nothing classified is in the pages.
Well, that would be all warm and snuggly, wouldn't it? Even if Bolton's book said nothing of the kind, until it is released, "unnamed sources" allegedly revealed to the NYT (of all media) something that would be another "bombshell" and you just have to wait until the book is cleared to se if it is true.

What's more, even if it isn't in the final text, there are those who would only claim it was removed because of pressure from high places.

Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: txradioguy on January 28, 2020, 05:50:26 am
Well, that would be all warm and snuggly, wouldn't it? Even if Bolton's book said nothing of the kind, until it is released, "unnamed sources" allegedly revealed to the NYT (of all media) something that would be another "bombshell" and you just have to wait until the book is cleared to se if it is true.

What's more, even if it isn't in the final text, there are those who would only claim it was removed because of pressure from high places.

They set themselves up to be right no matter what the case may be.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 28, 2020, 06:22:54 am
They set themselves up to be right no matter what the case may be.
Actually, they set themselves up to not be disproved.

They are not right, nothing right about them.

Dead witnesses, destroyed hard drives, wiped servers, info leaked by 'anonymous sources' which will capture the headlines and be debunked only after "everyone knows it's actually true".  It isn't what you know, it's what you can prove, and with the key people and physical evidence gone, or the 'investigators' bought and paid for (the carrot) or simply threatened with the myriad examples of those who wouldn't play along (the stick), their underlings grease the wheels that keep them rolling, likely for personal gain as well. People who are professionals at finding needles (even when they aren't present) suddenly can't see the haystack when they look to the left. Those little corruptions bring the leverage that gets the heavy lifting done, and someday Igor, the doctor will take care of that hump...

They read Machiavelli, Alinsky, and likely sold their souls somewhere along the line.

They're wrong, but right and wrong don't matter to them, it's all about optics, control and power, and money, and no one and nothing will stand in the way of that. They have no loyalty, no honor, no principles, and no real friends, only those who are useful to them in their quest for more, to be sidelined, discarded, or removed when they become more of a liability than an asset.

These are the creatures of the swamp, great and small, and what we need to remove from every level of government and public service.
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: txradioguy on January 28, 2020, 06:42:00 am
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These are the creatures of the swamp, great and small, and what we need to remove from every level of government and public service.

As we've seen over time that is easier said than done.

They secret themselves away of places in government that most people have never heard of and help shape policy as a nameless faceless part of the Progressive machine whether it's in the Pentagon, DoJ...NSA...you pick.  They are safe from firing and changes at the top because of how the DoD civilian workforce rules are written.

I can't tell you how many people I did investiture ceremonies for in little know sections of the DoD that were former Clinton staffers.  More than one ceremony of this type that I did saw David Axelrod siting in attendance.

It's gonna take more than a swamp draining to get rid of them.  You'd literally have to fire everyone who's a civilian and probably more than a few in uniform to really get rid of what is making our government sick.

Why do you think so many inside the beltway types are chaifing at some of the traditionally DC centric departments moving to flyover country?
Title: Re: Bolton’s Lawyer: Draft Book was Leaked to New York Times
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 28, 2020, 07:27:31 am
As we've seen over time that is easier said than done.

They secret themselves away of places in government that most people have never heard of and help shape policy as a nameless faceless part of the Progressive machine whether it's in the Pentagon, DoJ...NSA...you pick.  They are safe from firing and changes at the top because of how the DoD civilian workforce rules are written.

I can't tell you how many people I did investiture ceremonies for in little know sections of the DoD that were former Clinton staffers.  More than one ceremony of this type that I did saw David Axelrod siting in attendance.

It's gonna take more than a swamp draining to get rid of them.  You'd literally have to fire everyone who's a civilian and probably more than a few in uniform to really get rid of what is making our government sick.

Why do you think so many inside the beltway types are chaifing at some of the traditionally DC centric departments moving to flyover country?
Well, unfortunately, if the corruption is as endemic as it seems, exporting it to flyover country might only allow it to metastasize, when the elimination would be preferable.
But then, if we eliminated the extra-Constitutional functions and departments of even just the Federal Governent, we'd cut off the lucre that feeds so much of this, and eliminate many of the positions they use as their basis for power in the first place. We'd likely not only balance the budget, we'd pay down the debt.