The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on August 06, 2020, 02:04:41 pm
-
Republicans fear disaster in November
By Olivia Beavers and Juliegrace Brufke - 08/06/20 06:00 AM EDT
Republicans are privately fearing the worst possible outcome in November, one that could leave them without the White House or a majority in either chamber of Congress next year.
House Republicans face numerous, almost insurmountable obstacles: a cash shortfall against the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, 27 retiring lawmakers and a Republican National Committee that is more focused on reelecting President Trump and protecting the Senate GOP majority. They also need to pick up a net 17 seats to win back the House.
While Republicans noted the political landscape appears to change by the day, some are expressing a growing sense of doom.
“If the election were today, we would lose the House, the Senate and the White House,†said one Republican source.
more
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/510800-republicans-fear-disaster-in-november
-
“If the election were today, we would lose the House, the Senate and the White House,†said one Republican source.
Romney found a microphone
-
They should be afraid. The party as a whole has done nothing for the voters who elected them. And this failure has been going on since long before Trump came along. I guess many of them thought that by hanging on to the coat tails of an enormously popular president, they wouldn't have to do anything to show why voters should continue to elect them. Well, that popular president may not be so popular anymore and now these bums with nothing else to offer are realizing their political futures aren't so secure now as they might have been before.
If Trump goes down in flames, the rest of the party will go down with him. And quite frankly, if that should happen, I will be cheering. It's long past time the stupid party is destroyed and a real conservative party takes its place.
-
According to this article, titled 'republicans fear disaster', unnamed Republicans are pessimistic, those on the record are optimistic, and of course its all Trump's fault.
-
Gloom despair and agony on me...
-
If Trump goes down in flames, the rest of the party will go down with him. And quite frankly, if that should happen, I will be cheering. It's long past time the stupid party is destroyed and a real conservative party takes its place.
Clueless. Utterly clueless.
-
Clueless. Utterly clueless.
Who? You?
-
If Trump goes down in flames, the rest of the party will go down with him. And quite frankly, if that should happen, I will be cheering. It's long past time the stupid party is destroyed and a real conservative party takes its place.
Right. Just like California.
With friends like this.
-
If Trump goes down in flames, the rest of the party will go down with him. And quite frankly, if that should happen, I will be cheering. It's long past time the stupid party is destroyed and a real conservative party takes its place.
I'll just leave this right here.... for posterity and laughs.
You've had acute butthurt since Nov 8, 2016. The noise in the trunk.
-
Romney found a microphone
Every bit as Republican as Juan McCain!
-
Who? You?
No, @Applewood I'm not clueless. I'm not living in an alternate universe. I'm not a LIV. IMHO, based on the information you repeatedly post, you are.
-
They should be afraid. The party as a whole has done nothing for the voters who elected them. And this failure has been going on since long before Trump came along. I guess many of them thought that by hanging on to the coat tails of an enormously popular president, they wouldn't have to do anything to show why voters should continue to elect them. Well, that popular president may not be so popular anymore and now these bums with nothing else to offer are realizing their political futures aren't so secure now as they might have been before.
If Trump goes down in flames, the rest of the party will go down with him. And quite frankly, if that should happen, I will be cheering. It's long past time the stupid party is destroyed and a real conservative party takes its place.
Have you looked at what the leftists have declared they will do?
If the leftists gain control of the govt. there will be no chance of a real conservative party emerging.
-
Right. Just like California.
With friends like this.
:amen:
-
I'll just leave this right here.... for posterity and laughs.
You've had acute butthurt since Nov 8, 2016. The noise in the trunk.
Who believes the rats will allow us to pick up our sword like Westley in Princess Bride & start a new party.
Once down they’ll slit our throat and that’ll be that.
-
They should be afraid. The party as a whole has done nothing for the voters who elected them. And this failure has been going on since long before Trump came along. I guess many of them thought that by hanging on to the coat tails of an enormously popular president, they wouldn't have to do anything to show why voters should continue to elect them. Well, that popular president may not be so popular anymore and now these bums with nothing else to offer are realizing their political futures aren't so secure now as they might have been before.
If Trump goes down in flames, the rest of the party will go down with him. And quite frankly, if that should happen, I will be cheering. It's long past time the stupid party is destroyed and a real conservative party takes its place.
There are VERY FEW conservatives left. Don't you get it???
-
Pure nonsense!!!! Utterings from a weak sister like Romney, or Sasse, etc. And the UGLY TRUTH is that with what the Democommies have done with their violent Antifa and BLM groups, Americans are NOT going to vote for these clowns. Just not going to happen.
I see a tsunami, not a landslide. The Republicans win across the board. The problem is how they handle that, for they tend not to get anything done. We have yet to see in a full blown national election the impact of AOC as architect on the Democommie Party.
-
They should be afraid. The party as a whole has done nothing for the voters who elected them. And this failure has been going on since long before Trump came along. I guess many of them thought that by hanging on to the coat tails of an enormously popular president, they wouldn't have to do anything to show why voters should continue to elect them. Well, that popular president may not be so popular anymore and now these bums with nothing else to offer are realizing their political futures aren't so secure now as they might have been before.
If Trump goes down in flames, the rest of the party will go down with him. And quite frankly, if that should happen, I will be cheering. It's long past time the stupid party is destroyed and a real conservative party takes its place.
--------------------
Concise, timely and well articulated.
Since Fremont in 1856 till Hoover in 1932, the GOP stood for strong centralized government,
aggressive trade protectionism and judicial activism, creating the governance the New Deal
Democrats latched onto and maintained up to the present.
Yet many posters insist these republicrats are conservatives. Who knew?
As Koko sang:
" I have a little list,
Of those who won't be missed,
No never, not ever..........."
Good riddance!!!
-
Clueless. Utterly clueless.
Agree. There will be, NO AMERICA.....AT ALL! What is wrong with some people? TIME WARP? Too old? I am 75 myself but try to keep up with reality and facts. There is NOTHING, after POTUS TRUMP, except communism. Death. They talk as if we are in our 'same country'. WE ARENT. U.N. will take over and N.W.O. Slaves to globalist. They talk about some 'new conservative' party? **nononono* **nononono* **nononono*
-
They should be afraid. The party as a whole has done nothing for the voters who elected them. And this failure has been going on since long before Trump came along. I guess many of them thought that by hanging on to the coat tails of an enormously popular president, they wouldn't have to do anything to show why voters should continue to elect them. Well, that popular president may not be so popular anymore and now these bums with nothing else to offer are realizing their political futures aren't so secure now as they might have been before.
If Trump goes down in flames, the rest of the party will go down with him. And quite frankly, if that should happen, I will be cheering. It's long past time the stupid party is destroyed and a real conservative party takes its place.
Yup. And good riddance.
-
Have you looked at what the leftists have declared they will do?
If the leftists gain control of the govt. there will be no chance of a real conservative party emerging.
It doesn't matter what they will do. That is nothing but a distraction.
What matters is what the Republicans will do, which is absolutely nothing except rubber stamp spending bills.
There is no fixing this without raising up an opposition. Which Republicans have never had the belly for.
-
Pure nonsense!!!! Utterings from a weak sister like Romney, or Sasse, etc. And the UGLY TRUTH is that with what the Democommies have done with their violent Antifa and BLM groups, Americans are NOT going to vote for these clowns. Just not going to happen.
I see a tsunami, not a landslide. The Republicans win across the board. The problem is how they handle that, for they tend not to get anything done. We have yet to see in a full blown national election the impact of AOC as architect on the Democommie Party.
These RINO'S need to be voted out! Some will be in, till 2022. Re-call?
-------------------------------------------------------------
I don't disagree as to the wisdom of such a law...but lets fully acknowledge that it IS the law that the President is adhering to. It is deeply unethical and anti-conservative for any GOP Senator to oppose the President when he is defending our southern border BY following the law as written.=GOP SENATOR
12:40 PM - May
Marco Rubio is one of the gang of eight. 4 dems, 4 republican RINOS...Marco Rubio, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Flake. ALL SUPPORT BRINGING IN ILLEGALS. Rubio is hispanic and supports hispanics. RUBIO IS NOT FOR AMERICA. Yes they are all PUKES... Remember these names, if you are in their state. Most don't come up for re-election till 2022...SADLY.
RE-CALL THEM ...ALL?
----------------------------------------
The 12 Senate Republicans who voted AGAINST POTUS BORDER EMERGENCY;
Roger Wicker of Mississippi,
Marco Rubio of Florida,
Rob Portman of Ohio,
Susan Collins of Maine,
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska,
Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania,
Roy Blunt of Missouri,
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee,
Mitt Romney of Utah,
****************Rand Paul of Kentucky,
Jerry Moran of Kansas
and Mike Lee of Utah.
-
It doesn't matter what they will do. That is nothing but a distraction.
What matters is what the Republicans will do, which is absolutely nothing except rubber stamp spending bills.
There is no fixing this without raising up an opposition. Which Republicans have never had the belly for.
You idiots don't get it. If we lose this election, the country is done. Add 30 million illegal aliens to the vote mix and this country is Socialist for the next 3 generations. There IS no new conservative party. There IS no return to American values and small government. We essentially begin our migration towards a Chinese communist style one party rule...so any dissent you think you can make will simply and easily be squashed. At that point, you'll realize what idiocy you've been engaged in...but of course, it will be much too late to do anything but mourn for a nation lost.
Anyone dumb enough to think some new and more staunchly conservative party can rise from such a defeat deserves the coming tyranny of Socialist rule.
-
I knew it'd be The Hill.
-
You idiots don't get it. If we lose this election, the country is done. Add 30 million illegal aliens to the vote mix and this country is Socialist for the next 3 generations. There IS no new conservative party. There IS no return to American values and small government. We essentially begin our migration towards a Chinese communist style one party rule...so any dissent you think you can make will simply and easily be squashed. At that point, you'll realize what idiocy you've been engaged in...but of course, it will be much too late to do anything but mourn for a nation lost.
Anyone dumb enough to think some new and more staunchly conservative party can rise from such a defeat deserves the coming tyranny of Socialist rule.
QFT @Mesaclone
-
The point of all this is that the GOP cannot count on a Trump victory. Indeed, it should be planning for the eventuality of a Dem win and what it will take to fight back the next two years.
My view is that far more resources need to be devoted to the House and Senate races. That's the firewall that must not crumble. We need to be prepared to play effective defense because @Mesaclone is right that a total Dem victory will be curtains for our constitutional Republic. But if Trump loses and we can still block legislation and judges and force investigations of the hooligans, we can recover quite nicely as early as 2022.
And we may end up a stronger and better party once Trump's in the rearview mirror.
-
You idiots don't get it. If we lose this election, the country is done. Add 30 million illegal aliens to the vote mix and this country is Socialist for the next 3 generations. There IS no new conservative party. There IS no return to American values and small government. We essentially begin our migration towards a Chinese communist style one party rule...so any dissent you think you can make will simply and easily be squashed. At that point, you'll realize what idiocy you've been engaged in...but of course, it will be much too late to do anything but mourn for a nation lost.
Anyone dumb enough to think some new and more staunchly conservative party can rise from such a defeat deserves the coming tyranny of Socialist rule.
Fear mongering bullshit.
FIRST: There is no conservatism at all under you guys either. And no return to American values, and certainly not small government.
So what YOU are saying is 'We are already there, so stop fighting it', basically.
Bullshit. Fear mongering bullshit.
Nah, nah. You guys SUCK and there needs to be a consequence for what y'all have done. Two of my friends THIS WEEK lost it all, both folded their tents forever, everything that they had is gone, to include retirement. One went from a lake house to a 80's single-wide in a hunting camp. y'all did that to him. Your Woohan shutdown destroyed them both, and to a large extent, their families.
So don't be fear mongering and finger pointing down the road... The sonsabiches RIGHT NOW is YOU.
And besides, you forgot a step, where 300m guns just get laid down or confiscated. The only response to your irresponsible fear mongering is COME AND TAKE IT.
So STUFF your Tump-o-matic-messiah bullshit in your southbound hole. I don't care what the problem is 4 elections away. The problem right now is YOU. The problem is, voting for Tumpy sure as hell don't fix NOW by a long shot, and doesn't stop THEN any damn little bit anyway.
To the woodshed for all y'all, DAMMIT. *****rollingeyes*****
This is why I vote for Conservatives.
-
You idiots don't get it. If we lose this election, the country is done. Add 30 million illegal aliens to the vote mix and this country is Socialist for the next 3 generations. There IS no new conservative party. There IS no return to American values and small government. We essentially begin our migration towards a Chinese communist style one party rule...so any dissent you think you can make will simply and easily be squashed. At that point, you'll realize what idiocy you've been engaged in...but of course, it will be much too late to do anything but mourn for a nation lost.
Anyone dumb enough to think some new and more staunchly conservative party can rise from such a defeat deserves the coming tyranny of Socialist rule.
You are dead on. But I'm sure the nation's problems look a lot different from a country porch with a view that hasn't changed for a millenium.
-
Fear mongering bullshit.
FIRST: There is no conservatism at all under you guys either. And no return to American values, and certainly not small government.
So what YOU are saying is 'We are already there, so stop fighting it', basically.
Bullshit. Fear mongering bullshit.
Nah, nah. You guys SUCK and there needs to be a consequence for what y'all have done. Two of my friends THIS WEEK lost it all, both folded their tents forever, everything that they had is gone, to include retirement. One went from a lake house to a 80's single-wide in a hunting camp. y'all did that to him. Your Woohan shutdown destroyed them both, and to a large extent, their families.
So don't be fear mongering and finger pointing down the road... The sonsabiches RIGHT NOW is YOU.
And besides, you forgot a step, where 300m guns just get laid down or confiscated. The only response to your irresponsible fear mongering is COME AND TAKE IT.
So STUFF your Tump-o-matic-messiah bullshit in your southbound hole. I don't care what the problem is 4 elections away. The problem right now is YOU. The problem is, voting for Tumpy sure as hell don't fix NOW by a long shot, and doesn't stop THEN any damn little bit anyway.
To the woodshed for all y'all, DAMMIT. *****rollingeyes*****
This is why I vote for Conservatives.
Delusional as ever, I see. And no, it's not fear mongering and it's not BS. It's called reality and the grim place we are at .... right now.
You keep bleating about a mythical "conservatism" and a return to American values... but if Trump loses this November, which means that Biden and the commie-left Democrats win.... there will NEVER be a return to American values.... but a fundamental transformation away from anything and everything previously "American", including traditions, values, history and hope for a better... free... future.
I feel sorry for you, hon. Because you really can't (or won't) see what we're faced with. I don't think you'll have to reap the whirlwind of your delusion, however... because I do think Trump will win handily... thanks to a majority of logical, sane and realistic Americans ....understanding only too well what this election means to our future. And after the election....you won't even gleen that you should say 'thank you' to them for saving the nation from the RL... at least for four more years. But you probably should.
-
TIME WARP? Too old? I
LA's doing The Tiiiiimeee. Warp.... Again!!
In a $9T Dollar Dance off... Wooo. Hooo!!!!
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xzM4qr9ATWlGrS/giphy.gif)
-
Delusional as ever, I see. And no, it's not fear mongering and it's not BS. It's called reality and the grim place we are at .... right now.
You keep bleating about a mythical "conservatism" and a return to American values... but if Trump loses this November, which means that Biden and the commie-left Democrats win.... there will NEVER be a return to American values.... but a fundamental transformation away from anything and everything previously "American", including traditions, values, history and hope for a better... free... future.
I feel sorry for you, hon. Because you really can't (or won't) see what we're faced with. I don't think you'll have to reap the whirlwind of your delusion, however... because I do think Trump will win handily... thanks to a majority of logical, sane and realistic Americans ....understanding only too well what this election means to our future. And after the election....you won't even gleen that you should say 'thank you' to them for saving the nation from the RL... at least for four more years. But you probably should.
FEAR. And bullcrap.
Thank you? ARE YOU FRIGGIN KIDDING ME? THANK YOU? FOR WHAT?
The decimation of the dollar at the printing press?
The draconian shutdowns and interruptions in supply chains?
The chickenshit inability to quell actual sedition in the streets and put the collaborators in jail?
Not just no. Oh HELL no.
-
You are dead on. But I'm sure the nation's problems look a lot different from a country porch with a view that hasn't changed for a millenium.
OTOH, Uniparty generated apocalyptic Dystopiaville from fiscal disaster will hit him last. They'll just be clouds of smoke in the distance.
-
OTOH, Uniparty generated apocalyptic Dystopiaville from fiscal disaster will hit him last. They'll just be clouds of smoke in the distance.
Probably true. But I will take my advise from those a bit closer to the actual problem.
-
FEAR. And bullcrap.
Thank you? ARE YOU FRIGGIN KIDDING ME? THANK YOU? FOR WHAT?
The decimation of the dollar at the printing press?
The draconian shutdowns and interruptions in supply chains?
The chickenshit inability to quell actual sedition in the streets and put the collaborators in jail?
Not just no. Oh HELL no.
Reality sucks. But instead of howling at the moon because of this reality we're in.... you might try coming to grips with what we're actually faced with NOW...if the Democrats win the White House and even one branch of Congress. That decimation of the dollar will be turbo-speed destroyed.... as blanket amnesty will encourage every illegal on the planet to flood to AmeriKa for "free shit"....as taxes are raised on the current slaves to "G".
You won't, however, have to worry about any more temporary shutdowns or sedition in the streets.... since the plandemic will evaporate like it never happened... and the rioters will go back to their mommys' basement until any future orders to reappear and act up... which probably won't happen again, since Republicans probably will never win another election.
-
They should be afraid. The party as a whole has done nothing for the voters who elected them. And this failure has been going on since long before Trump came along. I guess many of them thought that by hanging on to the coat tails of an enormously popular president, they wouldn't have to do anything to show why voters should continue to elect them. Well, that popular president may not be so popular anymore and now these bums with nothing else to offer are realizing their political futures aren't so secure now as they might have been before.
If Trump goes down in flames, the rest of the party will go down with him. And quite frankly, if that should happen, I will be cheering. It's long past time the stupid party is destroyed and a real conservative party takes its place.
@Applewood I think you may want to think through that thought again. Would I like to see a real conservative party in place? Absolutely. But, IMHO once the GOP(GOPe) goes down as we know it today, our Republic will crumble. Take a look at who is seated in the DEM party right now; Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, and Ayanna Pressley , better known as "The Squad" (as one example). They aren't your typical liberals they are radical leftist liberal extremists who are promoting and advocating socialism (if not communism). Pelosi has even veered even more to the left because of them. They appeal to the millennial radical left; several of their seats have been challenged, not only have they retained their seats but their challengers are just as radical. I find this all very alarming. Certainly the situation represents an open door to Sharia law and the over throw over our government.
Anyway you look at the situation, if/when these leftists take over, (and Biden is already touting some of their policies as his campaign promises) amnesty will be granted. There is no way mathematically than any GOP will be seated; and certainly no chance of a new and improved conservative party taking hold.
Do you honestly think that these radical leftists and the remainder of the DEM party will not dismantle and FOREVER change our Rule of Law?? Once they do, they retain the power that they've been working towards for decades. The will ensure through their own laws, to retain power. Much like LBJ's Great Society ensured the DEM vote only now the DEMS will be ensuring a complete takeover of our country by radical extremists and illegals so that no conservative or even moderate party will ever have a foothold in this country. Perhaps by revolution or civil war, but certainly not at the ballot box.
-
Probably true. But I will take my advise from those a bit closer to the actual problem.
Roamer's a friend of mine here, and he's maybe one of just a few here not voting for Trump. I refused to vote for Trump in '16, and my vote went to a conservative 3rd party candidate, whose name I can't even remember. I still can not stand Trump, but see this as a last stand against a sociialist onslaught. Because when that tap is started, there is no shutting it off. With Trump, and hopefully, a GOP senate, there is at least a tiny tiny chance of returning some fiscal sanity.
I am a 100% fiscal Hawk, some goons here call me a one trick issue pony, but realize none of it really matters if the economy unravels to shreds.
So I can see Roamer's outlook. I cringe daily at the Trump Tweet-speak. IN 1788 we had a choice between Washington and Adams. In 2020.... Trump v. Biden. Sad our country has fallen to this point. Don't we deserve better than this?
-
Roamer's a friend of mine here, and he's maybe one of just a few here not voting for Trump. I refused to vote for Trump in '16, and my vote went to a conservative 3rd party candidate, whose name I can't even remember. I still can not stand Trump, but see this as a last stand against a sociialist onslaught. Because when that tap is started, there is no shutting it off. With Trump, and hopefully, a GOP senate, there is at least a tiny tiny chance of returning some fiscal sanity.
I am a 100% fiscal Hawk, some goons here call me a one trick issue pony, but realize none of it really matters if the economy unravels to shreds.
So I can see Roamer's outlook. I cringe daily at the Trump Tweet-speak. IN 1788 we had a choice between Washington and Adams. In 2020.... Trump v. Biden. Sad our country has fallen to this point. Don't we deserve better than this?
@roamer_1 is, and I fervently hope, shall always remain a friend of mine as well @catfish1957. I simply disagree with his "burn it all down and rebuild from the ashes" plan. And that is exactly what he is espousing although he says he's not.
-
Reality sucks. But instead of howling at the moon because of this reality we're in.... you might try coming to grips with what we're actually faced with NOW...if the Democrats win the White House and even one branch of Congress.
Bullcrap. I sure as HELL won't vote for a democrat, but I sure as hell won't vote for y'all niether.
That decimation of the dollar will be turbo-speed destroyed....
No, that's happening RIGHT NOW. In a few days, Tumpy will be heading past doubling what Obama spent in eight years... Done in FOUR. GET THIS: Y'all are TWICE the fools the Democrats are when it comes to spending WAKE UP!
as blanket amnesty will encourage every illegal on the planet to flood to AmeriKa for "free shit"....as taxes are raised on the current slaves to "G".
He's racking up DACA reforms RIGHT NOW.
You won't, however, have to worry about any more temporary shutdowns or sedition in the streets.... since the plandemic will evaporate like it never happened... and the rioters will go back to their mommys' basement until any future orders to reappear and act up... which probably won't happen again, since Republicans probably will never win another election.
FEAR is an amazing thing. Anybody else took all your treasure and barricaded you in your room, when you got out, you'd be coming to carve off a chunk of his ass.
But here is the same dang thing, and not only is there no thought of consequences in your head, but you're gonna ask for MORE. :silly: :silly: :silly:
And folks are playing the hick card on me... Appeals to modernity and authority, and how I don't understand... But I do. And I am glad as hell to be up in here, far away from the destruction y'all are bringing on your own selves.
-
Fear mongering bullshit.
FIRST: There is no conservatism at all under you guys either. And no return to American values, and certainly not small government.
So what YOU are saying is 'We are already there, so stop fighting it', basically.
Bullshit. Fear mongering bullshit.
Nah, nah. You guys SUCK and there needs to be a consequence for what y'all have done. Two of my friends THIS WEEK lost it all, both folded their tents forever, everything that they had is gone, to include retirement. One went from a lake house to a 80's single-wide in a hunting camp. y'all did that to him. Your Woohan shutdown destroyed them both, and to a large extent, their families.
So don't be fear mongering and finger pointing down the road... The sonsabiches RIGHT NOW is YOU.
And besides, you forgot a step, where 300m guns just get laid down or confiscated. The only response to your irresponsible fear mongering is COME AND TAKE IT.
So STUFF your Tump-o-matic-messiah bullshit in your southbound hole. I don't care what the problem is 4 elections away. The problem right now is YOU. The problem is, voting for Tumpy sure as hell don't fix NOW by a long shot, and doesn't stop THEN any damn little bit anyway.
To the woodshed for all y'all, DAMMIT. *****rollingeyes*****
This is why I vote for Conservatives.
My Sicilian grandmother used to put a silver quarter into the frying pan whenever she cooked mushrooms...so you don't end up eating a hallucigen.
You should try that, @roamer_1 Ya just can't eat any old mushroom growing behind your outhouse.
-
Roamer's a friend of mine here, and he's maybe one of just a few here not voting for Trump. I refused to vote for Trump in '16, and my vote went to a conservative 3rd party candidate, whose name I can't even remember. I still can not stand Trump, but see this as a last stand against a sociialist onslaught. Because when that tap is started, there is no shutting it off. With Trump, and hopefully, a GOP senate, there is at least a tiny tiny chance of returning some fiscal sanity.
I am a 100% fiscal Hawk, some goons here call me a one trick issue pony, but realize none of it really matters if the economy unravels to shreds.
So I can see Roamer's outlook. I cringe daily at the Trump Tweet-speak. IN 1788 we had a choice between Washington and Adams. In 2020.... Trump v. Biden. Sad our country has fallen to this point. Don't we deserve better than this?
I do not necessarily disagree with any of this, except frankly I do not understand the extreme antipathy some self described conservatives have towards Trump. Relatively speaking, he's been pretty damn good for us and I can describe how.
-
FEAR. And bullcrap.
Thank you? ARE YOU FRIGGIN KIDDING ME? THANK YOU? FOR WHAT?
The decimation of the dollar at the printing press?
The draconian shutdowns and interruptions in supply chains?
The chickenshit inability to quell actual sedition in the streets and put the collaborators in jail?
Not just no. Oh HELL no.
@roamer_1 EVERY single point that you make I absolutely agree with and there is no denying the truth in what you are saying. None.
The alternative is the DEM party which has become a very radical party with subversives within the House chamber of Congress.
There is no viable 3rd party candidate that is going to win as to the best of my knowledge, no 3rd party candidate has even made it onto the ballot in all 50 states; therefore no way to win. You can't win if you can't get onto the ballot. Many states will not count a vote on a write in candidate that hasn't at least qualified.
EVERY point that you have mentioned I agree with and I am deadset against and Trump has now put on the table a roadway to citizenship for DACA which I am also deadset against.
I will not be cheering however, when our country falls. I'm afraid we will see a bloodbath in the streets. Those of us who live in the burbs instead of the country will have no way to escape what's coming down the pike. I also think at that point in time the U.N. (who I believe is quietly waiting in the wings) will insert themselves to accommodate the takeover. Some of us may survive, your chances much more likely; but our country WILL be under different rule and the Rule of Law will be changed dramatically.
-
My Sicilian grandmother used to put a silver quarter into the frying pan whenever she cooked mushrooms...so you don't end up eating a hallucigen.
You should try that, @roamer_1 Ya just can't eat any old mushroom growing behind your outhouse.
I am about all out of mushrooms. Because your dingbat party shut everything down...
-
I do not necessarily disagree with any of this, except frankly I do not understand the extreme antipathy some self described conservatives have towards Trump. Relatively speaking, he's been pretty damn good for us and I can describe how.
Baubles and candy thrown from the front of the parade. NOTHING he has done, or can do, offsets the egregious overspending, mishandling of the China Flu (with draconian shutdown for bonus points), and sedition in the streets.
You got nothing.
Any argument you make is akin to 'Mussolini made the trains run on time'.
-
And folks are playing the hick card on me... Appeals to modernity and authority, and how I don't understand... But I do. And I am glad as hell to be up in here, far away from the destruction y'all are bringing on your own selves.
I'm just hoping you'll consider the possibility that many issues facing the nation today have an immediacy that isn't as apparent where you live.
Believe it or not where some of us live worrying about the federal budget has become a kind of luxury - an academic exercise. Dramatic and very negative changes to our lives from other quarters are at this point imminent.
It doesn't matter if you accept this or not. But it is the truth.
-
I'm just hoping you'll consider the possibility that many issues facing the nation today have an immediacy that isn't as apparent where you live.
Believe it or not where some of us live worrying about the federal budget has become a kind of luxury - an academic exercise. Dramatic and very negative changes to our lives from other quarters are at this point imminent.
It doesn't matter if you accept this or not. But it is the truth.
:yowsa:
-
@roamer_1 EVERY single point that you make I absolutely agree with and there is no denying the truth in what you are saying. None.
The alternative is the DEM party which has become a very radical party with subversives within the House chamber of Congress.
The alternative is a distraction, regardless. What is important is consequences for actions. In order to have profit, there must be risk, and in order for there to be risk there must be consequence for failure. For UTTER failure... There NEEDS to be a woodshed, or 'we' are nothing different than the Democrats.
I will not be cheering however, when our country falls. I'm afraid we will see a bloodbath in the streets. Those of us who live in the burbs instead of the country will have no way to escape what's coming down the pike. I also think at that point in time the U.N. (who I believe is quietly waiting in the wings) will insert themselves to accommodate the takeover. Some of us may survive, your chances much more likely; but our country WILL be under different rule and the Rule of Law will be changed dramatically.
I know this sounds off, but if that is where we are, I would hope to see that civil war. At least that means there's enough like me that have kept their mud and kept their sand, and enough steeled to the cause to make a worry. And if it must, then bring it now. Not after several more iterations of shutdown and strife, wearing everything thin till all are begging for it (because that is what they are doing).
Nah. If we are there, then bring it. At least I can renew liberty for my grandchildren. I am not afraid of that. That is a hill to die on. Far better than this mumbling idiot taking our treasure and liberty a bit at a time... Frog in the pot and all.
-
I'm just hoping you'll consider the possibility that many issues facing the nation today have an immediacy that isn't as apparent where you live.
Believe it or not where some of us live worrying about the federal budget has become a kind of luxury - an academic exercise. Dramatic and very negative changes to our lives from other quarters are at this point imminent.
It doesn't matter if you accept this or not. But it is the truth.
I see where you are. And it came here too. The reason it didn't stick is because a couple hundred rednecks and bikers showed up ready. Come and get some. Turns out Antifa lost their appetite, and stayed in the park and protested peacefully till they figured out the rednecks and bikers were changing shifts, and were not going to go away. And there's a whole helluva lot where that came from.
Your liberty is your own to lose. If y'all won't throw your chips on the table, then you suffer your own loss. It will only get worse. And Tumpy is not going to save you.
-
I know this sounds off, but if that is where we are, I would hope to see that civil war.
I sincerely believe that is going to happen regardless of who gets elected in November. Either way it goes, the other side will NOT accept it.
-
I see where you are. And it came here too. The reason it didn't stick is because a couple hundred rednecks and bikers showed up ready. Come and get some. Turns out Antifa lost their appetite, and stayed in the park and protested peacefully till they figured out the rednecks and bikers were changing shifts, and were not going to go away. And there's a whole helluva lot where that came from.
Your liberty is your own to lose. If y'all won't throw your chips on the table, then you suffer your own loss. It will only get worse. And Tumpy is not going to save you.
No, it hasn't come there. And you would be more convincing if you'd lay off the condescension.
-
I sincerely believe that is going to happen regardless of who gets elected in November. Either way it goes, the other side will no accept it.
I thought that too. Feel it will be close enough that both under the circumstances will feel it was stolen.
And add the fact, and after addtional film has come out almost exonerating the cops in the Floyd case of murder...... We are looking at a powder keg.
-
I sincerely believe that is going to happen regardless of who gets elected in November. Either way it goes, the other side will no accept it.
The sign is on the ground. It may still be turned. But prolly not.
I am making ready for it. Doubling my stores, fixin to hunker down... Another year would be nice. I can live in an outfitter's tent, but a cabin would be WAY better.
-
I thought that too. Feel it will be close enough that both under the circumstances will feel it was stolen.
And add the fact, and after addtional film has come out almost exonerating the cops in the Floyd case of murder...... We are looking at a powder keg.
It won't matter if it's close or a landslide for Trump IMHO.
-
No, it hasn't come there. And you would be more convincing if you'd lay off the condescension.
Oh, but yes it has. Folks just would not stand for it. Same in Coeur D'Alene... Same all over. They tried to bring it past the suburbs and bring it to the rurals... But they were met with folks that know how to draw a hard line. So they collapsed back into the cities where folks will put up with it.
And I am not meaning to be condescending. Just speaking truth.
-
Oh, but yes it has. Folks just would not stand for it. Same in Coeur D'Alene... Same all over. They tried to bring it past the suburbs and bring it to the rurals... But they were met with folks that know how to draw a hard line. So they collapsed back into the cities where folks will put up with it.
And I am not meaning to be condescending. Just speaking truth.
I’m not talking about a few skinny creeps in black playing commando. I’m talking about being overwhelmed by hordes of voters with completely different values than my own. About being stripped of your voice and consigned to live in a socialist single party state. Deprived of the means to make a living. Living in a society that has decriminalized crime and has criminalized god given liberties. It’s here, now.
If only we had Antifa to worry about.
-
I'm just hoping you'll consider the possibility that many issues facing the nation today have an immediacy that isn't as apparent where you live.
Believe it or not where some of us live worrying about the federal budget has become a kind of luxury - an academic exercise. Dramatic and very negative changes to our lives from other quarters are at this point imminent.
It doesn't matter if you accept this or not. But it is the truth.
Exactly. Perspective is a sobering reality. Though for many years I made my home in the rural mountains of Northern California but now I live in Brooklyn, and so (your, and) my perspective might be a tad different from mountain dwellers of the northern United States.
-
Exactly. Perspective is a sobering reality. Though for many years I made my home in the rural mountains of Northern California but now I live in Brooklyn, and so (your, and) my perspective might be a tad different from mountain dwellers of the northern United States.
The ultimate response From mountain dwellers is ‘run away’ which I suppose is an option. But some of us stuck in blue areas can be pretty stubborn too. Just not under any illusions.
-
I’m not talking about a few skinny creeps in black playing commando. I’m talking about being overwhelmed by hordes of voters with completely different values than my own. About being stripped of your voice and consigned to live in a socialist single party state. Deprived of the means to make a living. Living in a society that has decriminalized crime and has criminalized god given liberties. It’s here, now.
If only we had Antifa to worry about.
Yeah, I know what that is too... That's why I am here instead of Chicago. Why you would stay is something we have spoken of before, but remains completely beyond me. Go get among like-minded and prepare a place for your family. Even if it is nothing more than a hunting cabin up in the sticks... The time's coming that such a place will be a sanctuary.
It's what I am doing, and will be doing for all the future. The longer i have, the better off we'll be... But I will be living there and making a way for them to come when the time is at hand.
I see it plain as day. I just know better than to be in the middle of it when it pops :shrug:
-
My biggest concern is that the Democrat-registered @roamer_1 's in their Party merely opt out...STAY HOME, rather than turning out for Pres. Trump.
After 5 years of "Orangeman Bad", where is THEIR motivation?
Will the 40-80 year-old Democrat Voter show up? Or sit it out? :shrug:
-
Exactly. Perspective is a sobering reality. Though for many years I made my home in the rural mountains of Northern California but now I live in Brooklyn, and so (your, and) my perspective might be a tad different from mountain dwellers of the northern United States.
The ultimate response From mountain dwellers is ‘run away’ which I suppose is an option. But some of us stuck in blue areas can be pretty stubborn too. Just not under any illusions.
Naw. I am diggin in like a tick. The only difference is that I am choosing the dog.
-
My biggest concern is that the Democrat-registered @roamer_1 's in their Party merely opt out...STAY HOME, rather than turning out for Pres. Trump.
After 5 years of "Orangeman Bad", where is THEIR motivation?
Will the 40-80 year-old Democrat Voter show up? Or sit it out? :shrug:
Another drive-by slur. Because it's all you've got, @DCPatriot . Sad. **nononono*
-
I’m not talking about a few skinny creeps in black playing commando. I’m talking about being overwhelmed by hordes of voters with completely different values than my own. About being stripped of your voice and consigned to live in a socialist single party state. Deprived of the means to make a living. Living in a society that has decriminalized crime and has criminalized god given liberties. It’s here, now.
If only we had Antifa to worry about.
You can also vote with your feet. And deprive them of your work and taxes. Otherwise they are going to consume you.
-
My biggest concern is that the Democrat-registered @roamer_1 's in their Party merely opt out...STAY HOME, rather than turning out for Pres. Trump.
After 5 years of "Orangeman Bad", where is THEIR motivation? :shrug:
Same place as our’s - self preservation.
-
You can also vote with your feet. And deprive them of your work and taxes. Otherwise they are going to consume you.
If my own life were my only consideration. I have progeny.
If you’ll forgive the macho metaphor, that’d be like surrendering the beach To the enemy only to have to face them in the back country.
-
I’m not talking about a few skinny creeps in black playing commando. I’m talking about being overwhelmed by hordes of voters with completely different values than my own. About being stripped of your voice and consigned to live in a socialist single party state. Deprived of the means to make a living. Living in a society that has decriminalized crime and has criminalized god given liberties. It’s here, now.
If only we had Antifa to worry about.
Correct and this is what started it. By demon-rats. Hart/Celler act 1965, wanted by JFK, PUT IN BY LBJ & Teddy. They said our demographics would NOT change. Then DEMON-RAT OBAMA, brought in MORE...with open borders and make-believe refugees from muslim countries.
I’m talking about being overwhelmed by hordes of voters with completely different values than my own.=SKEETER
-
@roamer_1 is, and I fervently hope, shall always remain a friend of mine as well @catfish1957. I simply disagree with his "burn it all down and rebuild from the ashes" plan. And that is exactly what he is espousing although he says he's not.
And THAT...IS...his plan.
The problem is, there's no "rebuild" from the ashes...there's just ashes.
Roamer is still caught in some old paradigm where a big defeat for the GOP, what he calls the "cost" of electing Trump for those of us apostates who voted for the man, will force a course correction back towards stronger conservatism. When you tell him the addition of 30 million illegal voters to the rolls will forever (at least, for generations) shift our governance to the extreme left...he cries "fearmongering". He's like a man standing on a train track with train bearing down on him...who calls those asking him to step off the tracks "fearmongers". Its deeply delusional...god help us all if they are too many like him. If that turns out to be the case, welcome to Nancy Pelosi's new Peoples Republic of America.
-
It doesn't matter what they will do. That is nothing but a distraction.
What matters is what the Republicans will do, which is absolutely nothing except rubber stamp spending bills.
There is no fixing this without raising up an opposition. Which Republicans have never had the belly for.
A majority of Pubs may not be worth spit, but you go to war with the army you have not the one you want.
If we lose this war there won't be an opportunity for another fight. The Rats will do what they've done in all the states and cities they have complete control of on a national level. The borders will be porous. Amnesty will be passed. Ballot harvesting will be implemented nationally. The courts will be stacked. Govt. will assume control of health care. Gun ownership will be destroyed. Globalism will be kicked into high drive.
IOW, the Rats will make sure the peasants never revolt again.
-
Correct and this is what started it. By demon-rats. Hart/Celler act 1965, wanted by JFK, PUT IN BY LBJ & Teddy. They said our demographics would NOT change. Then DEMON-RAT OBAMA, brought in MORE...with open borders and make-believe refugees from muslim countries.
I’m talking about being overwhelmed by hordes of voters with completely different values than my own.=SKEETER
Most are decent human beings, I’m sure. They just do not believe what I believe. And contrary to the Pollyannas in our party most probably never will. Nevertheless their votes will carry the day. Today in CA and tomorrow the rest of the nation.
-
I sincerely believe that is going to happen regardless of who gets elected in November. Either way it goes, the other side will NOT accept it.
I would like to think that, but, if we see a Biden win I don't think we'll see any protests or rioting. Too many think we'll have another chance to change things at the ballot box in the future (wrong, wrong, wrong). Trump wins on the other hand, we'll see a civil war if not worse. The left has been pushing for their civil war for quite awhile; one in which they think they will win and they will IF indeed the rumors about U.N. troops already in this country, quietly waiting for the takeover is true. IF not, they are going to be met with a resistance that they never counted on. Just my opinion.
-
You idiots don't get it. If we lose this election, the country is done. Add 30 million illegal aliens to the vote mix and this country is Socialist for the next 3 generations. There IS no new conservative party. There IS no return to American values and small government. We essentially begin our migration towards a Chinese communist style one party rule...so any dissent you think you can make will simply and easily be squashed. At that point, you'll realize what idiocy you've been engaged in...but of course, it will be much too late to do anything but mourn for a nation lost.
Anyone dumb enough to think some new and more staunchly conservative party can rise from such a defeat deserves the coming tyranny of Socialist rule.
:amen:
The problem is those of us who place a high value on our liberty get dragged down with them.
-
If my own life we’re my only consideration. I have progeny.
If you’ll forgive the macho metaphor, that’d be like surrendering the beach To the enemy only to have to face them in the back country.
The difference between rural America and urban America—besides lifestyle and scenery—is the difference between democrat and republican governance.
The right thing for Americans to do is to make the democrats a permanent minority party in Washington D.C. and in every state House. At the very least republicans will protect all of the bill of rights, not just the parts they like.
-
Another drive-by slur. Because it's all you've got, @DCPatriot . Sad. **nononono*
It's not a slur at all. Put on your Big Boy pants if you're going to defend your position. Or shut the hell up.
You wear us out with your "Ain't my circus..." bullshit. You wear it like some badge of honor... tsk, tsk, the irony.
You said you weren't going to vote for the President because there's no difference between them.
You are the epitome of a Radical Right-Wing Extremist...even though you're essentially a one-issue pony on the forum.
I'm free to compare the loss of your interest/vote in the GOP this November ... to the disinterested, overwhelmed Democrat who wishes a sane moderate Democrat existed.
One that will, too, STAY HOME. Like you. Figuratively or literally.
-
I sincerely believe that is going to happen regardless of who gets elected in November. Either way it goes, the other side will NOT accept it.
I also think we are moving in that direction, there is no reconciliation or room for compromise with the leftist Rats. If the Pubs win big and the Rats won't accept it we should begin the process of figuring out how to go our separate ways without having to kill each other. Nations change over time, eastern Europe went through this after we defeated the Soviet Union.
-
:amen:
The problem is those of us who place a high value on our liberty get dragged down with them.
No. It is the rest of us that refuse to reward the constant erosion our liberty that are being dragged down by those who keep voting for people who are taking our liberty. Just a little less.
There is nothing more liberty destroying long term than some 6+ trillion dollars of printed money over the last 4 years. Everyone with savings are paying heavily for it. People saving money is something conservatives used to encourage. But the GOP is actively destroying those who do.
-
I also think we are moving in that direction, there is no reconciliation or room for compromise with the leftist Rats. If the Pubs win big and the Rats won't accept it we should begin the process of figuring out how to go our separate ways without having to kill each other. Nations change over time, eastern Europe went through this after we defeated the Soviet Union.
So you think only the Democrats will up the violence if Trump wins. What about Trump supporters, should Trump lose?
Trump has already lined up those he intends to blame if he loses. And while he may not directly advocate for violence, his faithful followers are already ginned up, accusing anyone who does not support or vote for Trump as traitors. The kindling is already in place. All that's needed is a match.
-
The difference between rural America and urban America—besides lifestyle and scenery—is the difference between democrat and republican governance.
The right thing for Americans to do is to make the democrats a permanent minority party in Washington D.C. and in every state House. At the very least republicans will protect all of the bill of rights, not just the parts they like.
This one picture should tell anyone anything they need to know about this.
(https://mk0brilliantmaptxoqs.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016nationwidecountymapshadedbyvoteshare.png)
It'a a county by county map of the 2016 election results.
-
@roamer_1
You said: "No, that's happening RIGHT NOW. In a few days, Tumpy will be heading past doubling what Obama spent in eight years... Done in FOUR. GET THIS: Y'all are TWICE the fools the Democrats are when it comes to spending WAKE UP!"
You are so right. Because Trump gives people tacky names, I will do the same for him: "Spending/hamburger/coke/fat Trump" thinks our money is his money. He filed for bankruptcy five times. This time he is bankrupting our country.
"Spending/personality disorder" Trump, "ruled" by Executive Orders instead of going through congress. If Biden, or another Democrat they manage to put in place of him, is president, the first action this person will take is cancelling all "Spending" Trump's Executive Orders immediately.
Because "Learning Disabled" Trump shut down the country, supply lines failed. There is a shortage of food so food prices are up and numerous grocery items are gone. Some may never come back as farmers plowed under their crops since they could not sell them and some will not grow crops again as they don't have the money to do it.
I have watched soups in grocery stores; well, let me change that - I have Bob check soups when he goes to the grocery; I am stuck at home. Soups with meat in them are scarce; they are sold out quickly when shelves are restocked. Take a look on Amazon for soups. Those with beef meat are few; there are some chicken ones but some of those continue to be out.
There is a reason for this. One can live on soups with meat forever - a can of soup has liquid in it so it hydrates a person and that saves on water. Meat and vegetables are there; heating the soup is all that is required and even that is not actually required; they can be eaten cold if there is no way to heat them.
Smart people are stocking up on soup so they can feed the family no matter what "never asked God for forgiveness" Trump does. Check on crackers at the store. Is it fully stocked? Because regular bread molds so is not long term stocked, crackers can be and we are used to crackers with soup. Numerous foods are imported and those may never come back. Check on bottled water. Does that section look like it did before the virus?
Okay, I went from your spending post to people preparing for an unknown future and that requires money. Millions of people right now have no job/incoming money and now the govn. has stopped their existence money.
I will stop writing after I tell you this story I saw on TV yesterday:
In a California town, people were in a very long line, a thousand or more of people in person not in their cars, waiting for a box of food. Some came in the middle of the night in order to be closer to the front of the line than those arriving later.
The reporter went up to a man in line. He looked to be in his mid 30s. This man was laid off some months ago and cannot find a job to feed his family. He was near tears as he spoke to the reporter. All those people without food and it is all over the country.
roamer_1, How can this be fixed?
-
So you think only the Democrats will up the violence if Trump wins. What about Trump supporters, should Trump lose?
Trump has already lined up those he intends to blame if he loses. And while he may not directly advocate for violence, his faithful followers are already ginned up, accusing anyone who does not support or vote for Trump as traitors. The kindling is already in place. All that's needed is a match.
I can tell you this @Applewood IF the democrats win the Whitehouse and the senate I'm going to the mattresses.
And I never voted for Trump until the primary this year.
-
So you think only the Democrats will up the violence if Trump wins. What about Trump supporters, should Trump lose?
Trump has already lined up those he intends to blame if he loses. And while he may not directly advocate for violence, his faithful followers are already ginned up, accusing anyone who does not support or vote for Trump as traitors. The kindling is already in place. All that's needed is a match.
The difference between Bilo's forecast and your imagined one is Bilo can point to months of violence and your's has not a shred of evidence to support it.
Carry on.
-
And THAT...IS...his plan.
I don't have a plan.
Roamer is still caught in some old paradigm where a big defeat for the GOP, what he calls the "cost" of electing Trump for those of us apostates who voted for the man, will force a course correction back towards stronger conservatism. When you tell him the addition of 30 million illegal voters to the rolls will forever (at least, for generations) shift our governance to the extreme left...he cries "fearmongering".
It IS fear mongering. And it is specifically supplied to avoid the blatant failures of this administration that are catching up to him with a certainty.
The Woodshed. The single most important place. There MUST be consequence. Without it, there is quite literally no control whatsoever.
He's like a man standing on a train track with train bearing down on him...who calls those asking him to step off the tracks "fearmongers". Its deeply delusional...god help us all if they are too many like him. If that turns out to be the case, welcome to Nancy Pelosi's new Peoples Republic of America.
Naw. the delusion is this: You think I am the one standing on the tracks. But I'm up here in the sticks YOU are the ones standing on the tracks.
As for your fetid party, I am entirely out of Fs to give. Yours has only been a party of spineless betrayal, having accomplished NOTHING in my whole life. I am a Cubs fan, so I am quite used to long awaiting hope. But at least THAT paid off.
Burn it down? Sure. From the ashes? Nope. Burn it down, scrape the ground, and sow it with salt.
y'all SUCK, and I am all the way done. *SPIT*
And I have an exponentially higher chance of getting Conservatism out of the Constitution Party... which ought to tell you something.
-
I don't have a plan.
It IS fear mongering. And it is specifically supplied to avoid the blatant failures of this administration that are catching up to him with a certainty.
The Woodshed. The single most important place. There MUST be consequence. Without it, there is quite literally no control whatsoever.
Naw. the delusion is this: You think I am the one standing on the tracks. But I'm up here in the sticks YOU are the ones standing on the tracks.
As for your fetid party, I am entirely out of Fs to give. Yours has only been a party of spineless betrayal, having accomplished NOTHING in my whole life. I am a Cubs fan, so I am quite used to long awaiting hope. But at least THAT paid off.
Burn it down? Sure. From the ashes? Nope. Burn it down, scrape the ground, and sow it with salt.
y'all SUCK, and I am all the way done. *SPIT*
And I have an exponentially higher chance of getting Conservatism out of the Constitution Party... which ought to tell you something.
I have been a fan of the Constitution Party and have been following them for quite awhile and their progress for ballot access for this November is very poor. They unfortunately are really struggling to get onto the ballot and with only 3 months to go; highly unlikely that they will be a viable alternative. They are on the ballot in only 14 states, they are in the process of gathering signatures in 6 states and they are not on the ballot or obtaining signatures to get on to the ballot in 30 states -- that is not good news for this party. Map @ link:
I do love their analogy of their ballot access problem (very true)
Open and equal access to the ballot is the political rights issue of 21st Century America. Without all political ideologies having a place in the free marketplace of ideas, on an equal footing with the top two in power, life is like an ice cream shop that only serves two flavors – customers grow weary and no longer buy. America flourishes when its citizens have real choices with which they identify philosophically. America’s representative system of constitutional governance is doomed to fail if voters continue to be offered only vanilla and chocolate when what they really want is mint chocolate chip or a hot fudge sundae.
https://www.constitutionparty.com/elections/ballot-access/ (https://www.constitutionparty.com/elections/ballot-access/)
-
So you think only the Democrats will up the violence if Trump wins. What about Trump supporters, should Trump lose?
Trump has already lined up those he intends to blame if he loses. And while he may not directly advocate for violence, his faithful followers are already ginned up, accusing anyone who does not support or vote for Trump as traitors. The kindling is already in place. All that's needed is a match.
QFT
-
QFT
I am afraid that if Trump loses, it will boil down to his alienation of swing voters via his Twitter thumb.
If it happens Donald.... Blame the Thumb
-
I am afraid that if Trump loses, it will boil down to his alienation of swing voters via his Twitter thumb.
If it happens Donald.... Blame the Thumb
You and I both will blame the thumb and his blind faithful that have driven away anyone who doesn't support everything Trump does 100% of the time 24/7/365.
Trump and is minions however...well they won't concede an inch that they or their guy might have had a hand in his own defeat.
-
You and I both will blame the thumb and his blind faithful that have driven away anyone who doesn't support everything Trump does 100% of the time 24/7/365.
Trump and is minions however...well they won't concede an inch that they or their guy might have had a hand in his own defeat.
Agreed. If Trump loses November 3rd, this is not going to be a pleasant place.
-
I have been a fan of the Constitution Party and have been following them for quite awhile and their progress for ballot access for this November is very poor. They unfortunately are really struggling to get onto the ballot and with only 3 months to go; highly unlikely that they will be a viable alternative. They are on the ballot in only 14 states, they are in the process of gathering signatures in 6 states and they are not on the ballot or obtaining signatures to get on to the ballot in 30 states -- that is not good news for this party. Map @ link:
I do love their analogy of their ballot access problem (very true)
Open and equal access to the ballot is the political rights issue of 21st Century America. Without all political ideologies having a place in the free marketplace of ideas, on an equal footing with the top two in power, life is like an ice cream shop that only serves two flavors – customers grow weary and no longer buy. America flourishes when its citizens have real choices with which they identify philosophically. America’s representative system of constitutional governance is doomed to fail if voters continue to be offered only vanilla and chocolate when what they really want is mint chocolate chip or a hot fudge sundae.
https://www.constitutionparty.com/elections/ballot-access/ (https://www.constitutionparty.com/elections/ballot-access/)
Yes, and I know all that... And knowing that, I also know full well that even with all that, I am still more likely to see Conservative wins out of the Constitution Party than I am the Republicans.
And I very much mean every single word of that.
-
Agreed. If Trump loses November 3rd, this is not going to be a pleasant place.
Yeah... Nobody really wants to see me drunk, naked, and dancing on the pool table. :shrug: :whistle:
:silly:
-
Yes, and I know all that... And knowing that, I also know full well that even with all that, I am still more likely to see Conservative wins out of the Constitution Party than I am the Republicans.
And I very much mean every single word of that.
Castle was a much more substantial candiate than what they yielded this year. Not that i am against a "Joe Blow" but......
-
Yeah... Nobody really wants to see me drunk, naked, and dancing on the pool table. :shrug: :whistle:
QFT! happy77
-
I don't have a plan.
It IS fear mongering. And it is specifically supplied to avoid the blatant failures of this administration that are catching up to him with a certainty.
So, so, so stupid.
The Woodshed. The single most important place. There MUST be consequence. Without it, there is quite literally no control whatsoever.
You think you'll be running a woodshed. :laughingdog:
So, so, so delusional.
-
So, so, so stupid.
You think you'll be running a woodshed. :laughingdog:
So, so, so delusional.
All of your posts have devolved into nothing but insults. Never any substance. No one gives a shit what you think.
-
Agreed. If Trump loses November 3rd, this is not going to be a pleasant place.
Why? You'll finally have what you've been pushing for five years. You'll be celebrating your flabby ass off for months,
Just watch that binge drinking .. according to reports it can kill. : 888blackhat
-
Why? You'll finally have what you've been pushing for five years. You'll be celebrating your flabby ass off for months,
Just watch that binge drinking .. according to reports it can kill. : 888blackhat
More substantial posting from the village idiot.
-
The point of all this is that the GOP cannot count on a Trump victory. Indeed, it should be planning for the eventuality of a Dem win and what it will take to fight back the next two years.
My view is that far more resources need to be devoted to the House and Senate races. That's the firewall that must not crumble. We need to be prepared to play effective defense because @Mesaclone is right that a total Dem victory will be curtains for our constitutional Republic. But if Trump loses and we can still block legislation and judges and force investigations of the hooligans, we can recover quite nicely as early as 2022.
And we may end up a stronger and better party once Trump's in the rearview mirror.
-----------------------------
We are up to our necks in our current morass precisely because of politics!!!
So what is your solution? Why better politics and politicians.
LORD HAVE MERCY!!!
-
Castle was a much more substantial candiate than what they yielded this year. Not that i am against a "Joe Blow" but......
I liked Castle... I don't know what's going on yet otherwise. Won't even care until after harvest. No sense investing in what won't play, and since I am not cold calling anymore, I have no need to be on top of things.
I need about a week to research candidates, and since I pay no mind at all to stump speeches and most of the debates (I will watch long-form interviews and spontaneous town halls), they have a near zero in determining a candidate to me. I vote primarily on the record. If the record is good, then I can take the man at his word, and I will look at his platform and any pertinent arguments and defenses...
It is all quite clinical, and by the numbers for me. Prevents the idiocy of emotionalism which politicians play to. I don;t want a politician. I want a statesman.
-
Reminds me. It's getting to be the season... Time to get my septic tank pumped.
-
Reminds me. It's getting to be the season... Time to get my septic tank pumped.
Yeah, I bet it is quite a chore in January. Maybe you could call RIV over and chip it out.
-
QFT! happy77
:seeya:
-
All of your posts have devolved into nothing but insults. Never any substance. No one gives a shit what you think.
Well, this is good to know. I appreciate your candor @catfish1957 and @roamer_1
Carry on without me.
@Cyber Liberty @mystery-ak
-
So, so, so stupid.
You think you'll be running a woodshed.
So, so, so delusional.
Nah, I ain't running sh*t. Not my circus, and not my monkey.
-
Yeah, I bet it is quite a chore in January. Maybe you could call RIV over and chip it out.
LOL! No, actually it is fine to pump it anytime. the cesspool keeps the frost off...
But with a recommendation to get the sh*t pumped every four years... Well, the presidential election seemed to be apropos and memorable. :shrug: :silly:
-
More substantial posting from the village idiot.
Pig... Pin filled with mud and crap... They only spread it to you with no upside. I too have to learn that lesson from time to time...
-
You and I both will blame the thumb and his blind faithful that have driven away anyone who doesn't support everything Trump does 100% of the time 24/7/365.
Trump and is minions however...well they won't concede an inch that they or their guy might have had a hand in his own defeat.
"Minions". lol
If you guys had only a third of the contempt for the other side we might find more common ground here.
-
"Minions". lol
If you guys had only a third of the contempt for the other side we might find more common ground here.
Liberals are utterly vile. That goes without saying.
-
Liberals are utterly vile. That goes without saying.
Not good enough.
-
Not good enough.
Gonna have to be. I am far less concerned with what the other side does or doesn't do.
Judgment begins at home. Until your own house is in order...
-
The point of all this is that the GOP cannot count on a Trump victory. Indeed, it should be planning for the eventuality of a Dem win and what it will take to fight back the next two years.
My view is that far more resources need to be devoted to the House and Senate races. That's the firewall that must not crumble. We need to be prepared to play effective defense because @Mesaclone is right that a total Dem victory will be curtains for our constitutional Republic. But if Trump loses and we can still block legislation and judges and force investigations of the hooligans, we can recover quite nicely as early as 2022.
And we may end up a stronger and better party once Trump's in the rearview mirror.
You don't seem to get the reality staring us in the face right now. IF you honestly believe that if there is a DEM win that there will ever be a chance of a GOP ever being seated again, then you are very disillusioned. One of the very first things that they will do is grant blanket amnesty ensuring that there will never be another GOP victory; this will happen because of the number of ILLEGALS that will be granted citizenship and they will accumulate so many new voters that it will be mathematically impossible for another party to win. Secondly, they will change the electoral process. They will also extend the number of seats on the Supreme Court. Any DEM victory; regaining the Senate, expanding the House and/or winning the oval office will be a disaster with NO chance of recovery. Our Republic is gone.
There will be no chance of winning in two years if we lose this year. Notta. Not going to happen. That IS reality.
-
"Minions". lol
If you guys had only a third of the contempt for the other side we might find more common ground here.
I’ve got more contempt in my pinkie finger for the Progressive Liberal movement in this country than you’ve got in your entire body.
But you don’t realize that because you’re too busy shaming people for dating to say anything negative about Trump.
Like @Smokin Joe has said many times...your circular firing squad mentality needs to end. You’re pointing your weapons at the wrong people.
-
Not good enough.
@roamer_1 I think he wants you to take a knee to prove yourself.
-
Pig... Pin filled with mud and crap... They only spread it to you with no upside. I too have to learn that lesson from time to time...
Very true. How he equated me, a Trump voter to me celebrating his loss in November was a tad bizarre though. He's never liked me anyway, so what can I say.
-
You don't seem to get the reality staring us in the face right now. IF you honestly believe that if there is a DEM win that there will ever be a chance of a GOP ever being seated again, then you are very disillusioned. One of the very first things that they will do is grant blanket amnesty ensuring that there will never be another GOP victory; this will happen because of the number of ILLEGALS that will be granted citizenship and they will accumulate so many new voters that it will be mathematically impossible for another party to win. Secondly, they will change the electoral process. They will also extend the number of seats on the Supreme Court. Any DEM victory; regaining the Senate, expanding the House and/or winning the oval office will be a disaster with NO chance of recovery. Our Republic is gone.
There will be no chance of winning in two years if we lose this year. Notta. Not going to happen. That IS reality.
Jazzy would be happy with either Biden or someone like Jeb or Kasich.
He’s what some here accuse you and I of being.
-
Castle was a much more substantial candiate than what they yielded this year. Not that i am against a "Joe Blow" but......
@roamer_1 @catfish1957
On May 2, 2020, the Constitution Party nominated Don Blankenship for president and William Mohr for vice-president. I have not heard of either one of them. I did a "search" on him and the Constitution Party is IMHO in complete disaster mode if this is the caliber of person that they are nominating to represent their party. This is obviously why they are doing so poorly with ballot access. Take a look at who he is:
Donald Leon Blankenship (born March 14, 1950) is an American business executive who was a candidate for the United States Senate in West Virginia in 2018. He was Chairman and CEO of the Massey Energy Company—the sixth-largest coal company (by 2008 production) in the United States—from 2000 until his retirement in 2010.
On December 3, 2015, Blankenship was found guilty of one misdemeanor charge of conspiring to willfully violate mine safety and health standards in relation to the Upper Big Branch Mine explosion
He has frequently spoken out about politics, the environment, unions, and coal production. In 2018, Blankenship lost a three-way Republican primary for the U.S. Senate to Patrick Morrisey. Citing false information, dirty politics and a personal unwillingness to quit, Blankenship attempted to run as the Constitution Party nominee but was unable to get on the ballot and later endorsed Morrisey.
Blankenship launched his campaign in the 2020 United States presidential election as a member of the Constitution Party on October 18/19, 2019 during a meeting of the Constitution Party national committee. According to the Constitution Party website, Don Blankenship has secured the nomination for President, along with running mate Bill Mohr.
...............Blankenship said he was "Trumpier than Trump" but that the establishment was misinforming him because they did not want him "to be in the U.S. Senate and promote the president's agenda." The national Republican leadership and allied groups made statements and ran ads against Blankenship, and the day before the Republican primary, Trump posted a tweet urging voters to vote for either of Blankenship's major primary opponents, Evan Jenkins and Patrick Morrisey, because Blankenship would not be competitive in the general election. Trump's tweet came in the wake of reporting that internal Republican polling had shown a surge in Blankenship's support among likely primary voters. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, whom Blankenship harshly criticized in his campaign, reportedly urged Trump to express opposition to Blankenship.
During the Republican primary campaign, Blankenship received criticism for calling McConnell's wife a "China person....
---- more---- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Blankenship
-
Very true. How he equated me, a Trump voter to me celebrating his loss in November was a tad bizarre though. He's never liked me anyway, so what can I say.
She...
-
@roamer_1 I think he wants you to take a knee to prove yourself.
ROTFLMAO.
Not gonna happen.
-
On May 2, 2020, the Constitution Party nominated Don Blankenship for president and William Mohr for vice-president. I have not heard of either one of them. I did a "search" on him and the Constitution Party is IMHO in complete disaster mode if this is the caliber of person that they are nominating to represent their party. This is obviously why they are doing so poorly with ballot access. Take a look at who he is:
Donald Leon Blankenship (born March 14, 1950) is an American business executive who was a candidate for the United States Senate in West Virginia in 2018. He was Chairman and CEO of the Massey Energy Company—the sixth-largest coal company (by 2008 production) in the United States—from 2000 until his retirement in 2010.
On December 3, 2015, Blankenship was found guilty of one misdemeanor charge of conspiring to willfully violate mine safety and health standards in relation to the Upper Big Branch Mine explosion
He has frequently spoken out about politics, the environment, unions, and coal production. In 2018, Blankenship lost a three-way Republican primary for the U.S. Senate to Patrick Morrisey. Citing false information, dirty politics and a personal unwillingness to quit, Blankenship attempted to run as the Constitution Party nominee but was unable to get on the ballot and later endorsed Morrisey.
Blankenship launched his campaign in the 2020 United States presidential election as a member of the Constitution Party on October 18/19, 2019 during a meeting of the Constitution Party national committee. According to the Constitution Party website, Don Blankenship has secured the nomination for President, along with running mate Bill Mohr.
---- more---- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Blankenship
Nice job and find. I just read his Constitution Party Bio. In it, he came across as a Joe Blow down the street, minimal politico experience , and general fluff.
-
ROTFLMAO.
Not gonna happen.
:beer:
-
My biggest concern is that the Democrat-registered @roamer_1 's in their Party merely opt out...STAY HOME, rather than turning out for Pres. Trump.
After 5 years of "Orangeman Bad", where is THEIR motivation?
Will the 40-80 year-old Democrat Voter show up? Or sit it out? :shrug:
@DCPatriot
I am a little more optimistic than some.
Biden will get his 40 to 45% Dem kool-aid drinkers that always vote Dem.
As far as the great unwashed, those middle-of -the-road undecided:
Those that like Biden, won't vote for him, because they are afraid he won't last the 4 year term, if elected.
Those that don't like Biden won't vote for him, either. They are afraid that he will last his 4 year term.
Trump wins.
-
@DCPatriot
I am a little more optimistic than some.
Biden will get his 40 to 45% Dem kool-aid drinkers that always vote Dem.
As far as the great unwashed, those middle-of -the-roda undecided:
Those that like Biden, won't vote for him, because they are afraid he won't last the 4 year term, if elected.
Those that don't like Biden won't vote for him, either. They are afraid that he will last his 4 year term.
Trump wins.
I sure hope you’re right.
-
I sure hope you’re right.
Me, too!
Sounds good on paper........
:beer:
-
@DCPatriot
I am a little more optimistic than some.
Biden will get his 40 to 45% Dem kool-aid drinkers that always vote Dem.
As far as the great unwashed, those middle-of -the-roda undecided:
Those that like Biden, won't vote for him, because they are afraid he won't last the 4 year term, if elected.
Those that don't like Biden won't vote for him, either. They are afraid that he will last his 4 year term.
Trump wins.
Not so sure about that. The main objective that has been preached even before DJT took the oath of office is that he would be a one term president and he must be stopped at all costs. The DEMS have had tat focus and everything they have done has been with that goal in mind. I think most DEMS are going to vote for Biden regardless if they think that he will be able to fulfill his first term of presidency; especially if he names a very viable VP such as Susan Rice, Michelle Obama, or Kamala Haris. IMHO either one of those VP's are reason to realize that it is going to be a very difficult ticket for Trump to beat. I think most DEM voters realize that Biden is incapable of being president and that who they are really voting for is his VP.
-
@DCPatriot
I am a little more optimistic than some.
Biden will get his 40 to 45% Dem kool-aid drinkers that always vote Dem.
As far as the great unwashed, those middle-of -the-roda undecided:
Those that like Biden, won't vote for him, because they are afraid he won't last the 4 year term, if elected.
Those that don't like Biden won't vote for him, either. They are afraid that he will last his 4 year term.
Trump wins.
Good analyis, and only one point of differenece. I really think the middle of the road van driving soccer moms are the piviotal swing votes. Will they either:
(1) Break Trump's way due to security concerns from months of rioting on TV or:
(2) Break for Biden because of the 24/7 MSM anti-Trump brainwashing, Trump's Tweets, or COVID-19 fatigue.
Think it is going to be close.
-
Good analyis, and only one point of differenece. I really think the middle of the road van driving soccer moms are the piviotal swing votes. Will they either:
(1) Break Trump's way due to security concerns from months of rioting on TV or:
(2) Break for Biden because of the 24/7 MSM anti-Trump brainwashing, Trump's Tweets, or COVID-19 fatigue.
Think it is going to be close.
Why would the soccer mom vote for Trump because of security concerns? Trump sat on his thumbs way too long before he tried to do anything --- not exactly exemplary leadership behavior in times of dire straits.
-
So you think only the Democrats will up the violence if Trump wins. What about Trump supporters, should Trump lose?
Trump has already lined up those he intends to blame if he loses. And while he may not directly advocate for violence, his faithful followers are already ginned up, accusing anyone who does not support or vote for Trump as traitors. The kindling is already in place. All that's needed is a match.
Of course the Rats will up the violence, it's what socialist/marxists do.
I don't see Trump supporters doing anything until the leftists start doing what they said they would do. At that point a Governor will resist and when the Rats try using federal law enforcement to coerce compliance a real resistance will begin.
-
Why would the soccer mom vote for Trump because of security concerns? Trump sat on his thumbs way too long before he tried to do anything --- not exactly exemplary leadership behavior in times of dire straits.
What may appear to be lip service, is still light years above the dims. As you may have saw in Cruz' hearings on Antifa, they (democrats) choose not to even rebuke Antifa's violence. Hell, Biden and company are complicit in the matter.
-
You don't seem to get the reality staring us in the face right now. IF you honestly believe that if there is a DEM win that there will ever be a chance of a GOP ever being seated again, then you are very disillusioned. One of the very first things that they will do is grant blanket amnesty ensuring that there will never be another GOP victory; this will happen because of the number of ILLEGALS that will be granted citizenship and they will accumulate so many new voters that it will be mathematically impossible for another party to win. Secondly, they will change the electoral process. They will also extend the number of seats on the Supreme Court. Any DEM victory; regaining the Senate, expanding the House and/or winning the oval office will be a disaster with NO chance of recovery. Our Republic is gone.
There will be no chance of winning in two years if we lose this year. Notta. Not going to happen. That IS reality.
You're spot on!
I wasn't a Trump supporter the first time around, but I sure am now.
-
ROTFLMAO.
Not gonna happen.
:thumbsup:
-
The women's vote, using the psychological instinct of females:
Every woman with a child is fearful of COVID-19. Trump did not/has not, removed that fear. They will vote for Biden, hoping he can save their children from this disease.
-
What may appear to be lip service, is still light years above the dims. As you may have saw in Cruz' hearings on Antifa, they (democrats) choose not to even rebuke Antifa's violence. Hell, Biden and company are complicit in the matter.
There’re other security related policies being implemented now the media are almost entirely uninterested in covering. For example, the administration is kicking China’s ass right now. After decades of watching Bush, Clinton, bush and Obama bend over for the Chicoms while they and their cronies got rich this feels like blessed relief.
If Biden wins in November China is right back in business.
-
"Minions". lol
If you guys had only a third of the contempt for the other side we might find more common ground here.
Be silly, go ahead. The contempt I have for the Communists defies expression on an 'R' rated forum, (well, at least PG-13). I cannot say what I think should be their fate without inviting a visit from some agency.
Why anyone in their Right mind would think that puts those allegedly on the same side of the great divide between Liberals and Conservatives (look for me on the right of the latter group) beyond any criticism is beyond me. I have never agreed with ANY president 100%.
For me, Reagan's "80%", was in what he did, not in what was the object.
NO candidate would advocate all of what I would like to see, like the voting age for non-veterans/active duty service members raised to 21, for instance.
Eighteen year-olds got the vote bought with the blood of service personnel in Vietnam (I can be drafted and shot at but can't vote?), yet most who voted were never anywhere close to a uniform--or any other form of public service.
Now we have perpetual snotnoses running rampant in the streets, paid to incite (and perform) violence, loot and burn, mercenaries for the Communist cause, and they can vote. We have university students programmed to believe there are dozens of genders who couldn't pour piss out of a boot if you wrote the directions on the heel, and they can vote--because guys served in 'Nam, even as the philosophical grandparents of those snotnoses were protesting the war.
There's a lot I'd advocate that you will NEVER hear from a Republican, because it would involve getting back to the same Constitution the Democrats soil daily, and the GOP finds it often inconvenient to back (for practical reasons, of course, namely keeping their country club going in DC)
So, if you want common ground, now you know where to look, and it damned sure isn't in the direction of the Communists/Socialists/Liberals/Leftists/or Democrats.
-
There’re other security related policies being implemented now the media are almost entirely uninterested in covering. For example, the administration is kicking China’s ass right now. After decades of watching Bush, Clinton, bush and Obama bend over for the Chicoms while they and their cronies got rich this feels like blessed relief.
If Biden wins in November China is right back in business.
Hence the virus!
-
Be silly, go ahead. The contempt I have for the Communists defies expression on an 'R' rated forum, (well, at least PG-13). I cannot say what I think should be their fate without inviting a visit from some agency.
Why anyone in their Right mind would think that puts those allegedly on the same side of the great divide between Liberals and Conservatives (look for me on the right of the latter group) beyond any criticism is beyond me. I have never agreed with ANY president 100%.
For me, Reagan's "80%", was in what he did, not in what was the object.
NO candidate would advocate all of what I would like to see, like the voting age for non-veterans/active duty service members raised to 21, for instance.
Eighteen year-olds got the vote bought with the blood of service personnel in Vietnam (I can be drafted and shot at but can't vote?), yet most who voted were never anywhere close to a uniform--or any other form of public service.
Now we have perpetual snotnoses running rampant in the streets, paid to incite (and perform) violence, loot and burn, mercenaries for the Communist cause, and they can vote. We have university students programmed to believe there are dozens of genders who couldn't pour piss out of a boot if you wrote the directions on the heel, and they can vote--because guys served in 'Nam, even as the philosophical grandparents of those snotnoses were protesting the war.
There's a lot I'd advocate that you will NEVER hear from a Republican, because it would involve getting back to the same Constitution the Democrats soil daily, and the GOP finds it often inconvenient to back (for practical reasons, of course, namely keeping their country club going in DC)
So, if you want common ground, now you know where to look, and it damned sure isn't in the direction of the Communists/Socialists/Liberals/Leftists/or Democrats.
I think every lamp post from Constitution Avenue to Bay Street in San Fancisco should be decorated. But that's just me.
-
Be silly, go ahead. The contempt I have for the Communists defies expression on an 'R' rated forum, (well, at least PG-13). I cannot say what I think should be their fate without inviting a visit from some agency.
Why anyone in their Right mind would think that puts those allegedly on the same side of the great divide between Liberals and Conservatives (look for me on the right of the latter group) beyond any criticism is beyond me. I have never agreed with ANY president 100%.
For me, Reagan's "80%", was in what he did, not in what was the object.
NO candidate would advocate all of what I would like to see, like the voting age for non-veterans/active duty service members raised to 21, for instance.
Eighteen year-olds got the vote bought with the blood of service personnel in Vietnam (I can be drafted and shot at but can't vote?), yet most who voted were never anywhere close to a uniform--or any other form of public service.
Now we have perpetual snotnoses running rampant in the streets, paid to incite (and perform) violence, loot and burn, mercenaries for the Communist cause, and they can vote. We have university students programmed to believe there are dozens of genders who couldn't pour piss out of a boot if you wrote the directions on the heel, and they can vote--because guys served in 'Nam, even as the philosophical grandparents of those snotnoses were protesting the war.
There's a lot I'd advocate that you will NEVER hear from a Republican, because it would involve getting back to the same Constitution the Democrats soil daily, and the GOP finds it often inconvenient to back (for practical reasons, of course, namely keeping their country club going in DC)
So, if you want common ground, now you know where to look, and it damned sure isn't in the direction of the Communists/Socialists/Liberals/Leftists/or Democrats.
Oh I know right where you stand, Joe. I’ve never once heard you twaddle on about Trump minions, cults and mindless followers while saying barely a word about those in the process of actively destroying the nation. On a conservative, republican or whatever you call it discussion board.
-
I’ve got more contempt in my pinkie finger for the Progressive Liberal movement in this country than you’ve got in your entire body.
But you don’t realize that because you’re too busy shaming people for dating to say anything negative about Trump.
Like @Smokin Joe has said many times...your circular firing squad mentality needs to end. You’re pointing your weapons at the wrong people.
We must be reading different threads. I have no idea what you’re talking about.
-
Hence the virus!
Which brings me to something Pres. Trump said this week about coming surprises in this 5 year atrocity under the criminal Obama DOJ/FBI/CIA/NSA.
"...mind-boggling..." , wasn't it??
Also Rush said today that he thinks there are events that will shape the Nov Election that haven't happened yet.
Then, President Trump said that due to very rich enemies, they may not be seeing him for awhile.
:2popcorn:
-
ROTFLMAO.
Not gonna happen.
I don’t want a thing from y’all, besides a little less passive aggression.
-
Then, President Trump said that due to very rich enemies, they may not be seeing him for awhile.
:2popcorn:
This comment was really weird. With four months before the election.
-
More substantial posting from the village idiot.
Didn't you just criticize someone else for being reduced to insults...and yet here you are.
Practice what you preach...and to be fair...RIV has shown more insight and intelligence in her postings over the years than 99% of the folks on this board. So, you might want to aim your fire my way for an easier target...and as I don't give two shites what you think it certainly won't hurt my feelings.
-
Which brings me to something Pres. Trump said this week about coming surprises in this 5 year atrocity under the criminal Obama DOJ/FBI/CIA/NSA.
"...mind-boggling..." , wasn't it??
Also Rush said today that he thinks there are events that will shape the Nov Election that haven't happened yet.
Then, President Trump said that due to very rich enemies, they may not be seeing him for awhile.
:2popcorn:
Maybe the most gripping post, claim, or concern i have heard here in a long time. As the speculative whirling goes on in our heads, please elaborate further.
-
I don’t want a thing from y’all, besides a little less passive aggression.
Now how the hell does that work... I know, I'll just go to straight on aggression... Thought that's where I was... I'll try harder.
-
Didn't you just criticize someone else for being reduced to insults...and yet here you are.
Practice what you preach...and to be fair...RIV has shown more insight and intelligence in her postings over the years than 99% of the folks on this board. So, you might want to aim your fire my way for an easier target...and as I don't give two shites what you think it certainly won't hurt my feelings.
She's a forum treasure. We're lucky to have her.
-
This comment was really weird. With four months before the election.
Four months? Look again. More like less than three months. And yes, it was really weird. But then, considering Trump's penchant for getting everyone talking about him.....
-
and to be fair...RIV has shown more insight and intelligence in her postings over the years than 99% of the folks on this board.
:silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:
-
She's a forum treasure. We're lucky to have her.
Agree, she’s fearless.
Not too much doubt where one stands with her.
-
Didn't you just criticize someone else for being reduced to insults...and yet here you are.
Practice what you preach...and to be fair...RIV has shown more insight and intelligence in her postings over the years than 99% of the folks on this board. So, you might want to aim your fire my way for an easier target...and as I don't give two shites what you think it certainly won't hurt my feelings.
Check her posting history. Seems every other post is an insult at someone who may something less than favorable or objective about Trump. Today, she accuses me of planning a celebration of a Trump loss in an insulting manner, though I have been adamant that I support him. True, I may not be immune from throwing tart barbs either, but at least I try not to make a habit of it.
Then add the fact she has been zinging me since I have been here. I have no idea what was behind her vendetta, but I am not one to choose sit idly by and be insulted at will. I'll just leave it at that.
-
Maybe the most gripping post, claim, or concern i have heard here in a long time. As the speculative whirling goes on in our heads, please elaborate further.
@catfish1957
1) Can't imagine them telling us anything most of us here already know about Russia Collusion and the laundry list of investigations and impeachments meant to castrate this Administration from lawfully governing in an effective manner.
2) As a teaser of sorts, President Trump said that what would be made public in the coming weeks is "Mind-Boggling"!
3) Rush Limbaugh was bombarded by calls today wanting to discuss Biden and the Election, and Rush kept reminding everyone that 90 days out if a long time with an effective October Surprise typically looming up ahead.
4) Either Pres. Trump was alluding that he was going to start campaigning in earnest and he might not be back until October, or he was Going to the Mattresses based upon verified threats against him.
-
Four months? Look again. More like less than three months. And yes, it was really weird. But then, considering Trump's penchant for getting everyone talking about him.....
Theres always truth in what he says, however awkwardly he says it.
-
@catfish1957
1) Can't imagine them telling us anything most of us here already know about Russia Collusion and the laundry list of investigations and impeachments meant to castrate this Administration from lawfully governing in an effective manner.
2) As a teaser of sorts, President Trump said that what would be made public in the coming weeks is "Mind-Boggling"!
3) Rush Limbaugh was bombarded by calls today wanting to discuss Biden and the Election, and Rush kept reminding everyone that 90 days out if a long time with an effective October Surprise typically looming up ahead.
4) Either Pres. Trump was alluding that he was going to start campaigning in earnest and he might not be back until October, or he was Going to the Mattresses based upon verified threats against him.
Several months ago, Rudy made some really out there claims that he had information that would turn DC upside down like never before.. I believe Guliani, and maybe some of this is coming to fruition. A sitting POTUS fearing for his own safety? This is beyond comprehension.
-
Agree, she’s fearless.
Not too much doubt where one stands with her.
Safe spaces!
-
Theres always truth in what he says, however awkwardly he says it.
Considering Limbaugh is adding to the cryptic nature of this mystery. Plus what I mentioned earlier about Guliani, I think there is some merit behind it. If we had an office pool, I'd put a few bucks on the Clinton Foundation as focal point of interest.
-
Several months ago, Rudy made some really out there claims that he had information that would turn DC upside down like never before.. I believe Guliani, and maybe some of this is coming to fruition. A sitting POTUS fearing for his own safety? This is beyond comprehension.
Wouldnt it be cool if we sprung an October Surprise of our own for a change.
-
Oh I know right where you stand, Joe. I’ve never once heard you twaddle on about Trump minions, cults and mindless followers while saying barely a word about those in the process of actively destroying the nation. On a conservative, republican or whatever you call it discussion board.
My position is that with a critical election looming, now is not the time to be criticizing Trump. We should be showing a unified position about Trump’s re-election. Demonstrate right here to opposition lurkers that it would be a waste of their time to go out on election day, in the rain, stand around in long lines and vote for democrats, Biden has no shot, Trump is crushing it. Your time would be better spent staying at home and grouting your bathroom.
After Trump wins re-election, pick at all the nits you want. Criticize, lampoon, denigrate him, call him poopie head. But, defeating the radical left is top priority right now, not priding oneself at every turn with moral preening.
-
My position is that with a critical election looming, now is not the time to be criticizing Trump. We should be showing a unified position about Trump’s re-election. Demonstrate right here to opposition lurkers that it would be a waste of their time to go out on election day, in the rain, stand around in long lines and vote for democrats, Biden has no shot, Trump is crushing it. Your time would be better spent staying at home and grouting your bathroom.
After Trump wins re-election, pick at all the nits you want. Criticize, lampoon, denigrate him, call him poopie head. But, defeating the radical left is top priority right now, not priding oneself at every turn with moral preening.
I'm pretty much onboard with that!
-
Agree, she’s fearless.
Not too much doubt where one stands with her.
AND, she makes sauce! happy77
-
My position is that with a critical election looming, now is not the time to be criticizing Trump. We should be showing a unified position about Trump’s re-election. Demonstrate right here to opposition lurkers that it would be a waste of their time to go out on election day, in the rain, stand around in long lines and vote for democrats, Biden has no shot, Trump is crushing it. Your time would be better spent staying at home and grouting your bathroom.
After Trump wins re-election, pick at all the nits you want. Criticize, lampoon, denigrate him, call him poopie head. But, defeating the radical left is top priority right now, not priding oneself at every turn with moral preening.
Thoughtful criticism, even now, is ok. But the ‘aren’t we smarter than Trump supporters’ bit sure does stick in my craw.
That’s the kind of talk I expect from my girl pant wearing, frappacino sipping pinky lifting San Francisco attorney uncle, not from supposed comrades-nearly-in-arms.
-
My position is that with a critical election looming, now is not the time to be criticizing Trump. We should be showing a unified position about Trump’s re-election. Demonstrate right here to opposition lurkers that it would be a waste of their time to go out on election day, in the rain, stand around in long lines and vote for democrats, Biden has no shot, Trump is crushing it. Your time would be better spent staying at home and grouting your bathroom.
After Trump wins re-election, pick at all the nits you want. Criticize, lampoon, denigrate him, call him poopie head. But, defeating the radical left is top priority right now, not priding oneself at every turn with moral preening.
NOPE. Since all y'all won't take him to the woodshed, I will keep on preachin.
No way in hell I am gonna let it get swept under the rug. What is actually critical is actually standing for something.
-
AND, she makes sauce! happy77
:yowsa:
-
:silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:
Amazing isn't it.
It does explain a lot regarding what they call intelligence. Birds of a feather and all...
-
Several months ago, Rudy made some really out there claims that he had information that would turn DC upside down like never before.. I believe Guliani, and maybe some of this is coming to fruition. A sitting POTUS fearing for his own safety? This is beyond comprehension.
It's been brought to my attention that it has to do with the intent of President Trump to get the price of prescription drugs down.
It's been a multi-billion $$$ industry and the typical U.S. citizen pays 2-3 times what they do most other places around the world.
-
NOPE. Since all y'all won't take him to the woodshed, I will keep on preachin.
No way in hell I am gonna let it get swept under the rug. What is actually critical is actually standing for something.
If some Trump supporters had their way, no one would be able to criticize Trump at any time. In this forum, for example, I believe there are some who want to turn this into a Trump-worshiping site like FR. I'm one of those who fled that other site for that reason. If this place turns into FR, I'm gone. Myst has said she won't allow that to happen and I trust our fearless leader in that regard.
So keep on, keeping on. If some people here don't like what you say, it's their problem, not yours.
-
If some Trump supporters had their way, no one would be able to criticize Trump at any time. In this forum, for example, I believe there are some who want to turn this into a Trump-worshiping site like FR. I'm one of those who fled that other site for that reason. If this place turns into FR, I'm gone. Myst has said she won't allow that to happen and I trust our fearless leader in that regard.
So keep on, keeping on. If some people here don't like what you say, it's their problem, not yours.
In other words, you just won't tolerate anyone who won't tolerate you not tolerating Donald Trump. Got it. I think.
-
My position is that with a critical election looming, now is not the time to be criticizing Trump. We should be showing a unified position about Trump’s re-election. Demonstrate right here to opposition lurkers that it would be a waste of their time to go out on election day, in the rain, stand around in long lines and vote for democrats, Biden has no shot, Trump is crushing it. Your time would be better spent staying at home and grouting your bathroom.
After Trump wins re-election, pick at all the nits you want. Criticize, lampoon, denigrate him, call him poopie head. But, defeating the radical left is top priority right now, not priding oneself at every turn with moral preening.
This is the cogent point. When the barbarians are at the gates, you don't bicker about rearranging the China. Nor should you be hiding in your remote tower or wooded cabin smirking and squawking about
how "this should teach you all a lesson" as the rest of us throw ourselves into holding the gates.
And...again. Its not fearmongering if the threat is genuine. At this point, anyone arguing that it is NOT genuine is either delusional...or...so self righteous they would rather see the nation destroyed than admit to an error of judgement.
And I keep hearing this crap about some of us thinking Trump is perfect, or that we are zombies who dwell on his every tweet. That's self-serving tripe and unworthy of a fellow conservative. We ALL have issues on which we disagree with the President...on some issues we strongly disagree with him. So anyone spouting that drivel needs to just stop. Trump is vastly more conservative then Joe Biden. Trump will not lead a Socialist internal insurrection that will end this country as a free nation...Biden will. That is all any conservative with an OUNCE of intellect needs to know in order to cast a Trump vote.
-
It's been brought to my attention that it has to do with the intent of President Trump to get the price of prescription drugs down.
It's been a multi-billion $$$ industry and the typical U.S. citizen pays 2-3 times what they do most other places around the world.
That's always annoyed me too. The only legitimate excuse I can think of quickly is the liability costs here are probably drastically higher. Most countries don't allow people to sue for hundreds of millions of dollars because of some unforeseen issue.
-
In other words, you just won't tolerate anyone who won't tolerate you not tolerating Donald Trump. Got it. I think.
Actually you don't get it apparently.
No one I know here on the less than pro Trump side is wanting to ban people because they won't tow some party/philosophical line.
That isn't true the other way around and that's the point. FR wouldn't tolerate descent. You are either in or out. Not so here.
And the point being made was that if this place were to go the way of FR they'd leave. And so would I.
-
Actually you don't get it apparently.
No one I know here on the less than pro Trump side is wanting to ban people because they won't tow some party/philosophical line.
That isn't true the other way around and that's the point. FR wouldn't tolerate descent. You are either in or out. Not so here.
And the point being made was that if this place were to go the way of FR they'd leave. And so would I.
Well, I may be a bird of a feather and all but, yeah, I get it.
BTW you know what else they didn't tolerate at that other site? Humor. Perhaps you should reconsider the place.
-
Who are these "worried" mystery Republican?
I am a Republican,and I am not worried at all. If Trump wins,GOOD!
If Trump loses,that is also good in the respect that I still have my rifle and am still able to carry and shoot it.
Win/Win.
As for the alleged "conservative Republicans" who plan on voting for Daffy Duck,who truly represents them,they don't give a damn,either. It's what they want so they can try to justify their "anybody but Trump" insanity.
Win/Win for them,too.
-
That's always annoyed me too. The only legitimate excuse I can think of quickly is the liability costs here are probably drastically higher. Most countries don't allow people to sue for hundreds of millions of dollars because of some unforeseen issue.
Pharma Talking points were always we were benenvolent and were footing the costs of R & D. Seems there might be a side story to that.
-
Who believes the rats will allow us to pick up our sword like Westley in Princess Bride & start a new party.
Once down they’ll slit our throat and that’ll be that.
@skeeter
I have ZERO doubt that is their plan,although I am not so sure it is going to work as well for them as they think.
I also know that if anyone asks me for help and they are a known Anti-Trumper,they are in a WORLD of doo-doo cause it just ain't gonna happen. They COULD have helped prevented it from happening,but they didn't because they wanted to be purist prima-donnas. Frankly,I don't care if they live or die.
-
Agree. There will be, NO AMERICA.....AT ALL! What is wrong with some people? TIME WARP? Too old? I am 75 myself but try to keep up with reality and facts. There is NOTHING, after POTUS TRUMP, except communism. Death. They talk as if we are in our 'same country'. WE ARENT. U.N. will take over and N.W.O. Slaves to globalist. They talk about some 'new conservative' party? **nononono* **nononono* **nononono*
@LegalAmerican
I am of a similar age and opinion,and the way *I* see it,this gives me a certain amount of freedom in that I have NOTHING to lose if the Dims take over. They are going to try to kill me because I am too old and independent to make a good slave,so AFAIAC,it will be "PARTY TIME!".
After all,it's not like I will have anything to lose.
Never will any other conservative of voting age. The left is going to come after us all with assault teams and chains.
So the reality is none of us will have anything to lose but our self-respect if we don't fight back.
-
These RINO'S need to be voted out! Some will be in, till 2022. Re-call?
-------------------------------------------------------------
I don't disagree as to the wisdom of such a law...but lets fully acknowledge that it IS the law that the President is adhering to. It is deeply unethical and anti-conservative for any GOP Senator to oppose the President when he is defending our southern border BY following the law as written.=GOP SENATOR
12:40 PM - May
Marco Rubio is one of the gang of eight. 4 dems, 4 republican RINOS...Marco Rubio, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Flake. ALL SUPPORT BRINGING IN ILLEGALS. Rubio is hispanic and supports hispanics. RUBIO IS NOT FOR AMERICA. Yes they are all PUKES... Remember these names, if you are in their state. Most don't come up for re-election till 2022...SADLY.
RE-CALL THEM ...ALL?
----------------------------------------
The 12 Senate Republicans who voted AGAINST POTUS BORDER EMERGENCY;
Roger Wicker of Mississippi,
Marco Rubio of Florida,
Rob Portman of Ohio,
Susan Collins of Maine,
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska,
Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania,
Roy Blunt of Missouri,
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee,
Mitt Romney of Utah,
****************Rand Paul of Kentucky,
Jerry Moran of Kansas
and Mike Lee of Utah.
@LegalAmerican
It's because of things like this that all I have to say to Rand Paul is "Kiss my big red ass!"
-
Well, I may be a bird of a feather and all but, yeah, I get it.
BTW you know what else they didn't tolerate at that other site? Humor. Perhaps you should reconsider the place.
Oh, so that was "humor"...
I don't have a problem with humor. For humor to work it has to be funny. Not just snarky.
-
:silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:
I simply don’t understand a senseless provocative post such as this. @Right_in_Virginia and I have not always agreed but she provides a ton of substance to consider. THAT brings value to a forum.
-
Pharma Talking points were always we were benenvolent and were footing the costs of R & D. Seems there might be a side story to that.
Yes, that's been the claim. More likely it is Big government protecting Big pharma at our expense.
-
You idiots don't get it.
@Mesaclone
Yeah,they do. They just don't want to admit they are punking out,so they pretend they don't understand what is going on.
If we lose this election, the country is done. Add 30 million illegal aliens to the vote mix and this country is Socialist for the next 3 generations. There IS no new conservative party. There IS no return to American values and small government. We essentially begin our migration towards a Chinese communist style one party rule..
They know all of this,and they are going to do their damndest to be standing at the head of the line when the Chi-coms are picking their American field bosses so they can be management instead of labor.
so any dissent you think you can make will simply and easily be squashed.
There is not a nickel's worth of dissent in any of them. That's just the cover they choose to try to fool themselves into believing they are men. If they won't "fight" NOW to maintain America as an independent nation,when it is easy and safe,what the HELL do you expect them to do when it would get their names and faces on a "wanted,dead or alive" tape?
Anyone dumb enough to think some new and more staunchly conservative party can rise from such a defeat deserves the coming tyranny of Socialist rule.
It's called "Whistling as you walk past a graveyard.
-
I simply don’t understand a senseless provocative post such as this. @Right_in_Virginia and I have not always agreed but she provides a ton of substance to consider. THAT brings value to a forum.
Maybe she did at one time. The vast majority of what I see is just personal vacant snark trying to score a point to demean someone and grinning about it thinking it is clever.
-
This comment was really weird. With four months before the election.
Actually I think the comment is very concerning. Perhaps he is contemplating stepping down?? In all honesty, the last couple of times that I have seen him in public he looked tired and just drained. He addressed the public recently and fumbled on the word "Yosemite" ... not exactly a time to be fumbling when he's calling out Sloe Joe on his mental decline. He's not a quitter, but think of all that he's been through. He left a life of absolute luxury for a life of continual insults and accusations on an hourly basis.
-
The point of all this is that the GOP cannot count on a Trump victory. Indeed, it should be planning for the eventuality of a Dem win and what it will take to fight back the next two years.
My view is that far more resources need to be devoted to the House and Senate races. That's the firewall that must not crumble. We need to be prepared to play effective defense because @Mesaclone is right that a total Dem victory will be curtains for our constitutional Republic. But if Trump loses and we can still block legislation and judges and force investigations of the hooligans, we can recover quite nicely as early as 2022.
And we may end up a stronger and better party once Trump's in the rearview mirror.
[/b]
I don't know if I should laugh or cry at that bit of insanity. Whatever type of drug it is you are taking,you need to stop it now while there is a chance of saving yourself.
@Jazzhead
-
I simply don’t understand a senseless provocative post such as this. @Right_in_Virginia and I have not always agreed but she provides a ton of substance to consider. THAT brings value to a forum.
Recently she said Roamer must be a stroke victim thinking it was clever and funny. No substance. Just personal attack.
-
I simply don’t understand a senseless provocative post such as this. @Right_in_Virginia and I have not always agreed but she provides a ton of substance to consider. THAT brings value to a forum.
Wouldn't it be nice if we could just talk about what's been said rather than who said it?
-
Oh, so that was "humor"...
I don't have a problem with humor. For humor to work it has to be funny. Not just snarky.
Someone else probably laughed.
And by the way re: snark, heal thyself.
-
Recently she said Roamer must be a stroke victim thinking it was clever and funny. No substance. Just personal attack.
I agree. The snark and righteous attitude towards people certainly isn't appreciated and personal attacks against Briefers shouldn't be allowed. I thought that was one of the forum rules??
At any rate, I think she's vacated the building.
Back on topic; I think that Trump and the GOP are in deep trouble at the rate things are going. No Trump rallies in the near future that I know of which was always a much needed boost to Trump's ego and to keep his voting base energized.
-
I am about all out of mushrooms. Because your dingbat party shut everything down...
@roamer_1
Not to worry! If your dream comes true and Trump loses,everything will be available to everyone,and it WILL ALL BE FREE TO GOOD COMRADES LIKE YOU!
Not only that,but it will never rain or snow on you again,and 18 year old lust-bunnies will be warm for your form,and offer you money to hump them!
Providing of course that your black master,Kunta 20 Mule Team Kinte Williams will let you have a day off.
Well,if you were still young enough to work in the fields 12 hours a day. People your age and my age will be more suitable for a VERY short service term at one of the "workers food factories" as ingredients.
-
You are dead on. But I'm sure the nation's problems look a lot different from a country porch with a view that hasn't changed for a millenium.
@skeeter
And a plan to run to the hills and hide when fighting breaks out.
-
LA's doing The Tiiiiimeee. Warp.... Again!!
In a $9T Dollar Dance off... Wooo. Hooo!!!!
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xzM4qr9ATWlGrS/giphy.gif)
@catfish1957
BTW,Rocky Horror is one of my all-time favorite movies. I have my own copy,and watch it every Halloween.
-
@skeeter
And a plan to run to the hills and hide when fighting breaks out.
Heck that’s where I’m going!
-
Fear mongering bullshit.
FIRST: There is no conservatism at all under you guys either. And no return to American values, and certainly not small government.
So what YOU are saying is 'We are already there, so stop fighting it', basically.
Bullshit. Fear mongering bullshit.
Nah, nah. You guys SUCK and there needs to be a consequence for what y'all have done. Two of my friends THIS WEEK lost it all, both folded their tents forever, everything that they had is gone, to include retirement. One went from a lake house to a 80's single-wide in a hunting camp. y'all did that to him. Your Woohan shutdown destroyed them both, and to a large extent, their families.
@roamer_1
DEY'S VIC-TUMS! VIC-TUMS,AH TELLS YA!
Hit all bees Trumps falts! Eberting bees Trumps falts causen nobody iz sponsable fo demsefs!
Oh,WOE IZ ME!
So don't be fear mongering and finger pointing down the road... The sonsabiches RIGHT NOW is YOU.
Yeah,it's MY fault,his fault,and everybody's fault BUT your friends. Deys VIC-TUMS!
I am beginning to have a more complete understanding of why you hate Trump so much.
-
You are dead on. But I'm sure the nation's problems look a lot different from a country porch with a view that hasn't changed for a millenium.
@skeeter
Not to mention a plan to head deeper into the hills and hide in a hole in the ground.
-
Wouldn't it be nice if we could just talk about what's been said rather than who said it?
@Bigun, it would.
-
Exactly. Perspective is a sobering reality. Though for many years I made my home in the rural mountains of Northern California but now I live in Brooklyn, and so (your, and) my perspective might be a tad different from mountain dwellers of the northern United States.
@aligncare
YIKES!
Talk about "culture shock"!
-
It's not a slur at all. Put on your Big Boy pants if you're going to defend your position. Or shut the hell up.
You wear us out with your "Ain't my circus..." bullshit. You wear it like some badge of honor... tsk, tsk, the irony.
@DCPatriot
The "Battle Cry" of every draft-dodger in history.
-
Someone else probably laughed.
And by the way re: snark, heal thyself.
When in the mist of snark I reply in kind.
I very rarely start it.
-
Please try and curb the insults..if you can't please leave this thread, there are many other threads waiting for your comments.
-
@DCPatriot
I am a little more optimistic than some.
Biden will get his 40 to 45% Dem kool-aid drinkers that always vote Dem.
As far as the great unwashed, those middle-of -the-road undecided:
@GrouchoTex
Seems like they are always the ones that decide President elections,and NOBODY,probably not even them,know what they are going to do until they do it.
-
Please try and curb the insults..if you can't please leave this thread, there are many other threads waiting for your comments.
It's these multi-page threads. By the 3rd or 4th page, the original topic is forgotten and the wizzing matches start.
That and perhaps some people get nasty after their 2nd or 3rd bottle of their favorite adult beverage.
-
Back on topic; I think that Trump and the GOP are in deep trouble at the rate things are going. No Trump rallies in the near future that I know of which was always a much needed boost to Trump's ego and to keep his voting base energized.
I have a different take.
I think the Democrats have managed to make this election all about them and not Trump. So if Trump can avoid doing something stupid - again - all the focus is on what the Dems are doing across the country.
- Supporting rioters while crushing peoples businesses and freedom to move about.
- Telling all whites they are racist whether they know it or not.
- Pushing to defund the police while crime is sky rocketing.
- Letting prisoners out of prison to "protect them against covid" resulting in more murder and mayhem of innocence.
- Pushing for Marxist "equality" while making some people more equal than others.
- Increasing taxes to cover for the shortfalls that they themselves caused.
We'll have to wait until the election to know what the truth is. But that is my take.
-
There’re other security related policies being implemented now the media are almost entirely uninterested in covering. For example, the administration is kicking China’s ass right now. After decades of watching Bush, Clinton, bush and Obama bend over for the Chicoms while they and their cronies got rich this feels like blessed relief.
If Biden wins in November China is right back in business.
@skeeter
Very true in the eyes of both the right and the left,but,as usual,the Big Winner is going to be decided by the "I pay attention to politics for at least 30 days every 4 years!" voters,and NOBODY knows what the hell they are going to do. Not even them.
I do THINK all this rioting by the left is going to have a BIG impact on those voters,though. They tend to be the middle-class voters with blue collar jobs,children,and mortgages,so I honestly don't see how the Dims can get their votes the way things have been going. In the past,they have always PRETENDED to be "proud Americans!",and now they are flat coming out as anti-American globalists.
I am thinking Steve and Susis Sixpak ain't going to be all that happy with them.
BUT.....,as I said above,nobody ever really knows that the hell those people are going to do until after they have done it.
-
Hence the virus!
@Bigun
Yup,and I thank you for the reminder!
-
I have a different take.
I think the Democrats have managed to make this election all about them and not Trump. So if Trump can avoid doing something stupid - again - all the focus is on what the Dems are doing across the country.
- Supporting rioters while crushing peoples businesses and freedom to move about.
- Telling all whites they are racist whether they know it or not.
- Pushing to defund the police while crime is sky rocketing.
- Letting prisoners out of prison to "protect them against covid" resulting in more murder and mayhem of innocence.
- Pushing for Marxist "equality" while making some people more equal than others.
- Increasing taxes to cover for the shortfalls that they themselves caused.
We'll have to wait until the election to know what the truth is. But that is my take.
You and I realize their faults, but keep in mind that perspective isn't being reported by the MSM; quite the opposite. That's been a huge part of the problem for a very long time. What we believe to be true and what they report are two different things; CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSN, MSNBC....all report the issues at hand to be the fault of Trump and the GOP.
For a very long time the MSM didn't report the violence that was happening around the country. It wasn't until the Feds started to go in that it was being reported and then the reports were that the Feds and Trump were in the wrong.
-
Check her posting history. Seems every other post is an insult at someone who may something less than favorable or objective about Trump. Today, she accuses me of planning a celebration of a Trump loss in an insulting manner, though I have been adamant that I support him. True, I may not be immune from throwing tart barbs either, but at least I try not to make a habit of it.
@catfish1957
There is no such creature as a "perfect person" (with me being the possible exception!),never mind a perfect President/politician,and there is nothing wrong with criticizing any of them if you think they are wrong about something.
But some childish people here take it too far,and keep insisting they will never vote for him because NOTHING he does is ever right.
Truth to tell,I don't PERSONALLY like Trump any more than you do. Maybe not even as much. The thing is MY PERSONAL like or dislike of him has NOTHING to do with "Who do I want to be President in 2021?".
In an imperfect world,you pick the one candidate of the two most likely to win,support that candidate,and do your damndest to make them change their POV of the issues you disagree with them on. You do NOT surrender the field to the candidate you would like to set on fire to watch him run across it because the guy you SHOULD support is not as "perfect" as you want him or her to be.
The truth is we all live in the real world,whether we want to or not,and we need to make plans to do whatever we can do to make it more to our liking. You don't do this by having a hissy-fit and voting for your 3rd grade teacher as a protest vote.
-
You and I realize their faults, but keep in mind that perspective isn't being reported by the MSM; quite the opposite. That's been a huge part of the problem for a very long time. What we believe to be true and what they report are two different things; CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSN, MSNBC....all report the issues at hand to be the fault of Trump and the GOP.
For a very long time the MSM didn't report the violence that was happening around the country. It wasn't until the Feds started to go in that it was being reported and then the reports were that the Feds and Trump were in the wrong.
We'll see. I still have some faith that most people are smart enough not to buy what the media is selling. Also, a lot of people have had first hand experience with these rioters and with their businesses/shopping sources being destroyed.
-
Theres always truth in what he says, however awkwardly he says it.
@skeeter
He really is a lousy speaker. Probably comes from his life-long strategy of getting his opponent so pissed and frustrated they lose their cool and screw up and leave him holding the pot of gold.
The good news here is it seems like nobody has the ability to really get him mad. He seems to see the insults as part of a negotiating strategy similar to his,and just ignores them.
-
Considering Limbaugh is adding to the cryptic nature of this mystery. Plus what I mentioned earlier about Guliani, I think there is some merit behind it. If we had an office pool, I'd put a few bucks on the Clinton Foundation as focal point of interest.
@catfish1957
It would be hard to find a deeper or darker pool to fish in.
-
Wouldnt it be cool if we sprung an October Surprise of our own for a change.
@skeeter
Well,I have heard all my life that "There is a first time for everything",so I guess it is possible.
IF Trump does have something he can pull out of his hat at the last minute to get the Dims and RINO's running for their political lives,it will be the Save of the Century!
-
@catfish1957
There is no such creature as a "perfect person" (with me being the possible exception!),never mind a perfect President/politician,and there is nothing wrong with criticizing any of them if you think they are wrong about something.
But some childish people here take it too far,and keep insisting they will never vote for him because NOTHING he does is ever right.
Truth to tell,I don't PERSONALLY like Trump any more than you do. Maybe not even as much. The thing is MY PERSONAL like or dislike of him has NOTHING to do with "Who do I want to be President in 2021?".
In an imperfect world,you pick the one candidate of the two most likely to win,support that candidate,and do your damndest to make them change their POV of the issues you disagree with them on. You do NOT surrender the field to the candidate you would like to set on fire to watch him run across it because the guy you SHOULD support is not as "perfect" as you want him or her to be.
The truth is we all live in the real world,whether we want to or not,and we need to make plans to do whatever we can do to make it more to our liking. You don't do this by having a hissy-fit and voting for your 3rd grade teacher as a protest vote.
No it isn't a perfect world that's for sure. It's not a matter of throwing a hissy fit, it is a matter of voting for someone who is going to take this country in a better direction then the other candidate according to one's beliefs and values. If the two candidates are going to take this country down a slippery slope; perhaps just one more slowly then the other, then the end result will eventually be the same. So, for some, they feel there is no real viable choice. As an example;on making a decision -- do we vote for someone who has repeatedly said that they will grant amnesty or do we vote for the other candidate who has stated that he will sign an e.o. to give a roadway to citizenship? Please explain the difference.
-
This is the cogent point. When the barbarians are at the gates, you don't bicker about rearranging the China. Nor should you be hiding in your remote tower or wooded cabin smirking and squawking about
how "this should teach you all a lesson" as the rest of us throw ourselves into holding the gates.
And...again. Its not fearmongering if the threat is genuine. At this point, anyone arguing that it is NOT genuine is either delusional...or...so self righteous they would rather see the nation destroyed than admit to an error of judgement.
And I keep hearing this crap about some of us thinking Trump is perfect, or that we are zombies who dwell on his every tweet. That's self-serving tripe and unworthy of a fellow conservative. We ALL have issues on which we disagree with the President...on some issues we strongly disagree with him. So anyone spouting that drivel needs to just stop. Trump is vastly more conservative then Joe Biden. Trump will not lead a Socialist internal insurrection that will end this country as a free nation...Biden will. That is all any conservative with an OUNCE of intellect needs to know in order to cast a Trump vote.
@Mesaclone
WELL SAID!
-
No one, I'm sure, is trying to persuade anyone not to vote for Trump. But the Senate is more important. The Senate is the firewall. The Senate is the insurance policy if Trump's reality show ends with the words " you're fired".
-
No one, I'm sure, is trying to persuade anyone not to vote for Trump. But the Senate is more important. The Senate is the firewall. The Senate is the insurance policy if Trump's reality show ends with the words " you're fired".
Really? How successful was that firewall the last two years of Bammy's term?? How successful was the GOP with a GOP President, House and Senate? They should have been able to kick booty and the didn't. The DEMS still were able to wreak havoc because of the RINO's in both Houses and RINO leadership.
-
@roamer_1
DEY'S VIC-TUMS! VIC-TUMS,AH TELLS YA!
Hit all bees Trumps falts! Eberting bees Trumps falts causen nobody iz sponsable fo demsefs!
Oh,WOE IZ ME!
Yeah,it's MY fault,his fault,and everybody's fault BUT your friends. Deys VIC-TUMS!
I am beginning to have a more complete understanding of why you hate Trump so much.
YEAH, @sneakypete , they are.Current projections are that 60% of small business will not come back from the covid shutdown. The Goverment ordered shutdown that Tumpy stood right there, with Fauxi by his side, and initiated.
Not able to open his doors by governmental dictate, no income at all, but still having to pay the rent, securiity and flooring on the goods... Damn right he's a victim... of a draconian government that curtailed his rights... Literally, by definition.
And you want me to vote for that.
-
@skeeter
Well,I have heard all my life that "There is a first time for everything",so I guess it is possible.
IF Trump does have something he can pull out of his hat at the last minute to get the Dims and RINO's running for their political lives,it will be the Save of the Century!
its been nice these last few years to see the rats on their heels for a change, I will remain hopeful that after 40 or 50 years of getting their arse waxed the Pubs have learned a thing or two after all.
-
"Minions". lol
If you guys had only a third of the contempt for the other side we might find more common ground here.
:amen:
-
@catfish1957
There is no such creature as a "perfect person" (with me being the possible exception!),never mind a perfect President/politician,and there is nothing wrong with criticizing any of them if you think they are wrong about something.
But some childish people here take it too far,and keep insisting they will never vote for him because NOTHING he does is ever right.
Truth to tell,I don't PERSONALLY like Trump any more than you do. Maybe not even as much. The thing is MY PERSONAL like or dislike of him has NOTHING to do with "Who do I want to be President in 2021?".
In an imperfect world,you pick the one candidate of the two most likely to win,support that candidate,and do your damndest to make them change their POV of the issues you disagree with them on. You do NOT surrender the field to the candidate you would like to set on fire to watch him run across it because the guy you SHOULD support is not as "perfect" as you want him or her to be.
The truth is we all live in the real world,whether we want to or not,and we need to make plans to do whatever we can do to make it more to our liking. You don't do this by having a hissy-fit and voting for your 3rd grade teacher as a protest vote.
@sneakypete
Well put Pete. Part of useful forum time is being objective, and understanding that that "perfectness" is unachievable. We all should hold our right to question the decisons and actions of our leaders. Maybe I take the intellectual honesty thing too far. Believe me, I wish DJT was batting .900 in my wheel house than the .700 he is . Maybe I hold too much hope that Trump and campaign monitor these forums for a feedback basis. Becuase I honestly think, if he were running a more structured disciplined campaign, he'd be putting Biden away.
Still, Mr. Trump will get my vote this November. Fact is, too much at stake not to.
-
@sneakypete
Well put Pete. Part of useful forum time is being objective, and understanding that that "perfectness" is unachievable. We all should hold our right to question the decisons and actions of our leaders. Maybe I take the intellectual honesty thing too far. Believe me, I wish DJT was batting .900 in my wheel house than the .700 he is . Maybe I hold too much hope that Trump and campaign monitor these forums for a feedback basis. Becuase I honestly think, if he were running a more structured disciplined campaign, he'd be putting Biden away.
Still, Mr. Trump will get my vote this November. Fact is, too much at stake not to.
Amen, @catfish1957 !!!
PS: Hitting .350 gets you into the Hall of Fame. I'll take ".700" going away. :beer:
-
No it isn't a perfect world that's for sure. It's not a matter of throwing a hissy fit, it is a matter of voting for someone who is going to take this country in a better direction then the other candidate according to one's beliefs and values. If the two candidates are going to take this country down a slippery slope; perhaps just one more slowly then the other, then the end result will eventually be the same. So, for some, they feel there is no real viable choice. As an example;on making a decision -- do we vote for someone who has repeatedly said that they will grant amnesty or do we vote for the other candidate who has stated that he will sign an e.o. to give a roadway to citizenship? Please explain the difference.
This is the fourth time it will be explained to you. POTUS IS NOT PLANNING THAT. That is your idea, not his. DACA went back to S.C. Last I heard, ALL ARE TO BE RETURNED to their original land, then, they may apply to come in LEGALLY. IF no FELONY...that will be granted. I think that is a fair way to deal with ANCHOR BABY'S. That is the issue, NOT GRANTING, ALL ILLEGALS, AMNESTY. ONLY, ONLY...DACA PEOPLE.
. OBAMA USED AN E.O. TO DO THIS...however, S.C. won't allow my POTUS, to remove it the same way.
WHY? HE IS DOING WHAT HE CAN TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE, PUT INTO HIS LAP. HE DIDN'T CREATE THIS MESS.
-
If some Trump supporters had their way, no one would be able to criticize Trump at any time. In this forum, for example, I believe there are some who want to turn this into a Trump-worshiping site like FR. I'm one of those who fled that other site for that reason. If this place turns into FR, I'm gone. Myst has said she won't allow that to happen and I trust our fearless leader in that regard.
So keep on, keeping on. If some people here don't like what you say, it's their problem, not yours.
-----------------------------
Interesting indeed.
The more I reflect about Trump, the more I'm
reminded of the likes of David Koresh and Jim Jones.
-
-----------------------------
Interesting indeed.
The more I reflect about Trump, the more I'm
reminded of the likes of David Koresh and Jim Jones.
And the more I reflect on your posts, I'm reminded of Marshall Applewhite.
-
Four months? Look again. More like less than three months. And yes, it was really weird. But then, considering Trump's penchant for getting everyone talking about him.....
No...'they' are trying to 'do him in'......that is the issue. Then censorship.
-
-----------------------------
Interesting indeed.
The more I reflect about Trump, the more I'm
reminded of the likes of David Koresh and Jim Jones.
*****rollingeyes*****
-
Wouldn't it be cool if we sprung an October Surprise of our own for a change?
President Trump:
“THAT ARE UNBELIEVABLE. I ALSO SIGNED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER STOPPING MIDDLEMEN FROM TAKING ADVANTAGE OF MEDICARE PATIENTS BY CHARGING HIGHER PRICES TO THEM AND POCKETING THE DISCOUNT FOR THEMSELVES. THESE ARE SOME OF THE RICHEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD. EVERYONE TALKED ABOUT MIDDLEMEN. I HAVE HEARD OF THEM FOR YEARS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUG PRICES. TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT, MIDDLEMEN AND MIDDLEWOMEN. SAY WHAT YOU WANT ABOUT THE DRUG COMPANIES, AT LEAST THEY PRODUCE A PRODUCT, THE MEDICATION. THESE PEOPLE MAKE BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. THEY WON’T BE SO RICH ANYMORE. THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER REQUIRES THIS $30 BILLION IN DISCOUNTS TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE AMERICAN PATIENTS. THE MIDDLEMEN WILL BE KNOCKED OUT AND I WILL LOSE A LOT OF FRIENDS, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE. “
-
The most likely October surprise is it isn't Biden.
If it is someone sane and moderate Trump is going to have big problems.
-
President Trump:
“THAT ARE UNBELIEVABLE. I ALSO SIGNED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER STOPPING MIDDLEMEN FROM TAKING ADVANTAGE OF MEDICARE PATIENTS BY CHARGING HIGHER PRICES TO THEM AND POCKETING THE DISCOUNT FOR THEMSELVES. THESE ARE SOME OF THE RICHEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD. EVERYONE TALKED ABOUT MIDDLEMEN. I HAVE HEARD OF THEM FOR YEARS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUG PRICES. TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT, MIDDLEMEN AND MIDDLEWOMEN. SAY WHAT YOU WANT ABOUT THE DRUG COMPANIES, AT LEAST THEY PRODUCE A PRODUCT, THE MEDICATION. THESE PEOPLE MAKE BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. THEY WON’T BE SO RICH ANYMORE. THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER REQUIRES THIS $30 BILLION IN DISCOUNTS TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE AMERICAN PATIENTS. THE MIDDLEMEN WILL BE KNOCKED OUT AND I WILL LOSE A LOT OF FRIENDS, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE. “
I don't care who you are. That just may be the coolest thing I have ever heard a POTUS say. Nice touch.
-
The most likely October surprise is it isn't Biden.
If it is someone sane and moderate Trump is going to have big problems.
I speculated earlier that i think it is going to be the Clinton Foundation, and how so much of its dealings will expose the organization as a Crime Syndicate. Even sleazy non profits like it, can't launder, extort, and lie forever.
-
I speculated earlier that i think it is going to be the Clinton Foundation, and how so much of its dealings will expose the organization as a Crime Syndicate. Even sleazy non profits like it, can't launder, extort, and lie forever.
That would be something to behold.
But I'm long past that fantasy...
-
I speculated earlier that i think it is going to be the Clinton Foundation, and how so much of its dealings will expose the organization as a Crime Syndicate. Even sleazy non profits like it, can't launder, extort, and lie forever.
@catfish1957
One of the biggest reasons I support Trump is because the Clinton's hate him so much,and have gone out of their way to send him grief.
Good thing he is the forgiving type,or they could be in trouble if he is re-elected,huh?
-
@catfish1957
One of the biggest reasons I support Trump is because the Clinton's hate him so much,and have gone out of their way to send him grief.
Good thing he is the forgiving type,or they could be in trouble if he is re-elected,huh?
@sneakypete
But I still want to know why Trump ultimately decided not to prosecute Hillary after saying he would if elected. I don't buy his explanation that "she suffered enough."
-
This comment was really weird. With four months before the election.
Some of the President's enemies could muster serious (as in buy your own country) money for the persons or person who managed to stop him from winning by foul means. Not presenting a direct target might be prudent at this point. While I believe the Secret Service remains professional as ever, my level of trust would drop off exponentially by the time I was dealing with most other alphabet agencies. There are people who stand to lose a lot if the swamp starts draining, and a lot of them.
-
Several months ago, Rudy made some really out there claims that he had information that would turn DC upside down like never before.. I believe Guliani, and maybe some of this is coming to fruition. A sitting POTUS fearing for his own safety? This is beyond comprehension.
So is an FBI that has, by and large violated their oaths for partisan reasons. If he has serious judicial hooks into the meat of the swamp critters, all Hell could break loose. They're symbiotic, and what gets one gets a network.
-
The most likely October surprise is it isn't Biden.
If it is someone sane and moderate Trump is going to have big problems.
Where are the Democrats going to find one of those?
-
Some of the President's enemies could muster serious (as in buy your own country) money for the persons or person who managed to stop him from winning by foul means. Not presenting a direct target might be prudent at this point. While I believe the Secret Service remains professional as ever, my level of trust would drop off exponentially by the time I was dealing with most other alphabet agencies. There are people who stand to lose a lot if the swamp starts draining, and a lot of them.
There is alot at stake for a great many powerful parties who've never had to deal with someone for whom they've had nothing to offer.
-
The most likely October surprise is it isn't Biden.
If it is someone sane and moderate Trump is going to have big problems.
Doesn't have to be sane or moderate, just some twofer minority who is not proud of the country.
Can you say Michelle Obama?
-
The most likely October surprise is it isn't Biden.
If it is someone sane and moderate Trump is going to have big problems.
There's only one problem with that 'big problem'. To my knowledge... there IS no Democrat that is ""sane and moderate"".
But hey....they could always get some RINO putz like Romney to 'switch over' and run as what they should have been all along....
a damned DemocRat. Now that might be a surprise....
to some.
-
@sneakypete
But I still want to know why Trump ultimately decided not to prosecute Hillary after saying he would if elected. I don't buy his explanation that "she suffered enough."
I want to know why, as well. Could be for the same damned reason 'why' Barr and Durham haven't done jack$hit towards holding Obama (or even his higher up underlings) accountable for their deeds. Deep state = too big to fall.
-
I want to know why, as well. Could be for the same damned reason 'why' Barr and Durham haven't done jack$hit towards holding Obama (or even his higher up underlings) accountable for their deeds. Deep state = too big to fall.
Or Tlaib....
Goods are there to charge and convict. In charge there is a Fed State Attorney appointed by Trump. Barr could have a say too.
Too me, the swamp draining promise hasn't gone as advertised.
-
I want to know why, as well. Could be for the same damned reason 'why' Barr and Durham haven't done jack$hit towards holding Obama (or even his higher up underlings) accountable for their deeds. Deep state = too big to fall.
@XenaLee Barr/Durham aren’t going to prosecute anyone. No indictments will be handed out. If nothing is done by September 4th then it will become painfully clear the DOJ is merely running out the clock.
-
@XenaLee Barr/Durham aren’t going to prosecute anyone. No indictments will be handed out. If nothing is done by September 4th then it will become painfully clear the DOJ is merely running out the clock.
(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/dc-courts-delayed-2-v2.jpg)
Considering the Durham Timeline… (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/08/06/considering-the-durham-timeline/)
-
(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/dc-courts-delayed-2-v2.jpg)
Considering the Durham Timeline… (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/08/06/considering-the-durham-timeline/)
Had not realized that... maybe the reason for the "shut down" to protect the obama administration?
-
Had not realized that... maybe the reason for the "shut down" to protect the obama administration?
Of course it was! And I've been saying so from day one!
-
(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/dc-courts-delayed-2-v2.jpg)
Considering the Durham Timeline… (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/08/06/considering-the-durham-timeline/)
Then there is this on Twitchy this morning:
Newsmax’s WH correspondent outlines the anecdotal evidence showing ‘Barr/Durham will do next to nothing about the Spygate plotters’
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/08/08/newsmaxs-wh-correspondent-outlines-the-anecdotal-evidence-showing-barr-durham-will-do-next-to-nothing-about-the-spygate-plotters/
-
Then there is this on Twitchy this morning:
Newsmax’s WH correspondent outlines the anecdotal evidence showing ‘Barr/Durham will do next to nothing about the Spygate plotters’
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/08/08/newsmaxs-wh-correspondent-outlines-the-anecdotal-evidence-showing-barr-durham-will-do-next-to-nothing-about-the-spygate-plotters/
If that turns out to be the case this once great republic is done and overwith!
-
@XenaLee Barr/Durham aren’t going to prosecute anyone. No indictments will be handed out. If nothing is done by September 4th then it will become painfully clear the DOJ is merely running out the clock.
And it will be painfully obvious (already is, to me) that all of this "lip service" about justice in America is now a myth geared towards pacifying the peons. Well I'm not pacified....and I am not alone re: that. And before the usual suspects swoop in to "blame Trump".... tell me...
what, exactly, could he do about it?
-
Top Mueller prosecutor urges DOJ officials to resist Barr investigations (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/top-mueller-prosecutor-urges-doj-officials-to-resist-barr-investigations)
This MF is in DIRE need of disbarment!
-
And it will be painfully obvious (already is, to me) that all of this "lip service" about justice in America is now a myth geared towards pacifying the peons. Well I'm not pacified....and I am not alone re: that. And before the usual suspects swoop in to "blame Trump".... tell me...
what, exactly, could he do about it?
Is Trump or is he not in charge of the Executive Branch?
-
Too me, the swamp draining promise hasn't gone as advertised.
LOL! That is being kind.
-
LOL! That is being kind.
This is getting a bit old. Off to the ignore list with Chosen Daughter.....
-
This is getting a bit old. Off to the ignore list with Chosen Daughter.....
Knock yourself out @mrpotatohead Hiding the truth does not make it go away.
-
Is Trump or is he not in charge of the Executive Branch?
He is not a dictator and cannot simply order people rounded up willy-nilly. Barr is the veteran legal mind in the administration and is doing all that can be done within the bounds of the law...its slow and unsatisfying no doubt, but this has to been done in a manner that is above reproach. Arresting someone in a major political spectacle only to have a court dismiss the action as having been done so without sufficient grounds would be FAR worse than never arresting such a person. Make an airtight legal case against very powerful political persons across the aisle is no simple task...some seem to think the President just sits on King George's throne and commands it to be so. It doesn't, cannot, and should not work that way...though it may one day soon under future Dem single party rule.
As Barr stresses, the rule of law must be upheld...even against those of Comey, Brennan and others ilk. In the end, I believe Durham indicts some big fish...perhaps some very big fish. But if some big fish get away, you can be certain it was because there was not sufficient evidence to garner a conviction...which is different, obviously, than simply believing these people are scum and that they are guilty. Evidence is evidence...and none of us here know precisely what evidence Barr-Durham have attained.
-
It isn't what you know, it's what you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
That takes a lot of homework, and some live witnesses...
-
He is not a dictator and cannot simply order people rounded up willy-nilly. Barr is the veteran legal mind in the administration and is doing all that can be done within the bounds of the law...its slow and unsatisfying no doubt, but this has to been done in a manner that is above reproach. Arresting someone in a major political spectacle only to have a court dismiss the action as having been done so without sufficient grounds would be FAR worse than never arresting such a person. Make an airtight legal case against very powerful political persons across the aisle is no simple task...some seem to think the President just sits on King George's throne and commands it to be so. It doesn't, cannot, and should not work that way...though it may one day soon under future Dem single party rule.
As Barr stresses, the rule of law must be upheld...even against those of Comey, Brennan and others ilk. In the end, I believe Durham indicts some big fish...perhaps some very big fish. But if some big fish get away, you can be certain it was because there was not sufficient evidence to garner a conviction...which is different, obviously, than simply believing these people are scum and that they are guilty. Evidence is evidence...and none of us here know precisely what evidence Barr-Durham have attained.
Always an excuse and a distraction.
-
Always an excuse and a distraction.
It's a pick and choose buffet when it comes to whether certain people decide he is or isn't someone who can unilaterally decide when things get done or don't get done.
-
It isn't what you know, it's what you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
That takes a lot of homework, and some live witnesses...
The beyond a reasonable doubt bar has been met...several times over.
-
It's a pick and choose buffet when it comes to whether certain people decide he is or isn't someone who can unilaterally decide when things get done or don't get done.
That's right. But more to the point, frog-marching top-end Democrats to their doom (the wet dream of some) was never in the cards. He was never going to drain the swamp. And he never will.
-
That's right. But more to the point, frog-marching top-end Democrats to their doom (the wet dream of some) was never in the cards. He was never going to drain the swamp. And he never will.
"She's suffered enough"
-
"She's suffered enough"
YUP.
That's the tell.
-
"She's suffered enough"
And that was when something could have been done about it. He passed.
-
And that was when something could have been done about it. He passed.
What stops the swamp is the exact opposite of what folks are doing. What stops the swamp is Conservative orthodoxy... Statesmanship. Insisting on the real thing will not get you everything, but it will get you far.
-
It isn't what you know, it's what you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
That takes a lot of homework, and some live witnesses...
I'm hoping this is a case where Euripides' maxim about the wheels of justice applies.
If justice is ever served we should've known it would never be served fast.
-
What stops the swamp is the exact opposite of what folks are doing. What stops the swamp is Conservative orthodoxy... Statesmanship. Insisting on the real thing will not get you everything, but it will get you far.
What was he supposed to stop the Swamp with? More Swamp?
-
What was he supposed to stop the Swamp with? More Swamp?
Well that's what he knows to do. He's been a player all the way along.. A wheeler-dealer... Folks claim that is an attribute... That he knows the game without somehow being an 'insider'... I will grant you that there is some sorta infinitesimal in-the-statistical-margin chance that that may be so... But the wisdom on the street is that a player's gonna play. The leopard does not change his spots. :shrug:
-
I'm hoping this is a case where Euripides' maxim about the wheels of justice applies.
If justice is ever served we should've known it would never be served fast.
And especially so with the entire swamp throwing up every possible roadblock, to include a damned fake pandemic, @skeeter
(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/dc-courts-delayed-2-v2.jpg)
-
That's right. But more to the point, frog-marching top-end Democrats to their doom (the wet dream of some) was never in the cards. He was never going to drain the swamp. And he never will.
Exactly. Look at how many emails and evidence have been turned over and uncovered but nothing has been done. No one has been indicted. He appointed Sessions who was a failure as the AG and now Barr. Barr continues to blow a lot of smoke and hot air but that's been about it. They've all been really good at dangling that carrot making people think that they're actually doing something. They have don't squat!
-
I believe Barr is Trump's servant. He prosecutes or doesn't prosecute at Trump's direction. Look at his actions in the Roger Stone case. Barr might say he is his own man, but I don't believe he meddled in the sentencing just because he thought the sentence sought was unfair for a first-time offender and that the fact the fist-time offender happened to be a buddy of Trump.
Remember at one time Trump and the Clintons were BFFs. Trump used to be a Democrat till he registered Republican to run for president. No one has ever followed up to determine whether there is still some kind of relationship between Trump and the Clintons. If there is, then you can be sure he is not going to order Barr to investigate the Clintons. And perhaps some of Trump's Democrat connections influenced him to order Barr to stay away from the Obamas too.
Now this could all be investigated, but every time someone questions Trump's actions or inactions, there are screams of a "coup." Fervent supporters believe nothing he does is wrong. My guess though is that if Trump's actions were those of another president, particularly a Democrat like Obama or Clinton, the supporters would be in an uproar. In fact, they already have been.
-
Well that's what he knows to do. He's been a player all the way along.. A wheeler-dealer... Folks claim that is an attribute... That he knows the game without somehow being an 'insider'... I will grant you that there is some sorta infinitesimal in-the-statistical-margin chance that that may be so... But the wisdom on the street is that a player's gonna play. The leopard does not change his spots. :shrug:
If possible, allow for a moment how difficult it would be for someone in his position, an outsider without a career's worth of political contacts and favors to cash in, to 'drain the swamp' before he's had a chance to get the lay of the land and get his own people - or the right people - in key positions.
On the other hand its clear he over-promised - but what presidential candidate doesn't. If Barr doesn't cough up some key indictments I will make no more apologies for him about the 'drain the swamp' issue.
-
I think it is certainly a possibility Bill Clinton talked Trump into running on the Republican side to throw a monkey wrench into the GOP nomination. Bill thought he was clearing the path for his wife by hamstringing his opponents from within. Not long before Trump announced he was running as a Republican he was considered a clown on the conservative side. Even Jim Rob said as much. But the promise to build a wall sealed the deal for those who believed him. That was all that mattered. His long history of being a NY liberal was just that, history...
-
Doesn't have to be sane or moderate, just some twofer minority who is not proud of the country.
Can you say Michelle Obama?
That is who I believe he's going to pick as his VP as well.
-
This is getting a bit old. Off to the ignore list with Chosen Daughter.....
@mrpotatohead it appears that @Chosen Daughter may have left the forum
-
@mrpotatohead it appears that @Chosen Daughter may have left the forum
Don't blame her if she did. She was beaten up relentlessly here.
-
If possible, allow for a moment how difficult it would be for someone in his position, an outsider without a career's worth of political contacts and favors to cash in, to 'drain the swamp' before he's had a chance to get the lay of the land and get his own people - or the right people - in key positions.
On the other hand its clear he over-promised - but what presidential candidate doesn't. If Barr doesn't cough up some key indictments I will make no more apologies for him about the 'drain the swamp' issue.
Both Barr and Trump keep eluding to the fact that they have key evidence and strong evidence but nothing gets done. They've been playing that game since Trump appointed him AG. It's nothing but smoke and mirrors and a dog and pony show.
-
I think it is certainly a possibility Bill Clinton talked Trump into running on the Republican side to throw a monkey wrench into the GOP nomination. Bill thought he was clearing the path for his wife by hamstringing his opponents from within. Not long before Trump announced he was running as a Republican he was considered a clown on the conservative side. Even Jim Rob said as much. But the promise to build a wall sealed the deal for those who believed him. That was all that mattered. His long history of being a NY liberal was just that, history...
If you are right, then Trump returned the favor by not following through on having Hillary prosecuted.
And that precious wall hasn't gone too far in four years. It, like most of the rest of Trump's promises were not fulfilled. He and his supporters can blame Democrats, Republicans, the so-called "deep state" or whatever, but he made the promises and that he did not carry them out is on his shoulders. In my mind he shares the blame.
-
Always an excuse and a distraction.
It is also a direct contradiction of what they claim. In the same breath they say "only Trump can save us" and then "Trump's hands are tied, he's not a dictator"... And never mind that Trump campaigned as literally the only guy that could make the things he promised happen due to his awesome negotiating skills... And then they tell us he's not a politician... My lyin eyes...
-
Don't blame her if she did. She was beaten up relentlessly here.
Yes indeed. She had an absolute right to post her opinions and at times I definitely agreed with her, but I also felt at times she deliberately agitated and provoked as well. Maybe she'll return. It's a shame, we've lost some people in this forum lately.
-
If possible, allow for a moment how difficult it would be for someone in his position, an outsider without a career's worth of political contacts and favors to cash in, to 'drain the swamp' before he's had a chance to get the lay of the land and get his own people - or the right people - in key positions.
Alright - hear me please:
[rant]
If I allow that, which I see where you are coming from, that bespeaks a certainty of ineptitude... The only logical extension of that position is that he bit off way, way more than he could chew, and he should have known better.., That is functionally inept. So to me, to give him the benefit of the doubt necessarily requires that admission of ineptitude. To do otherwise is to admit he is a player, which is more likely... But also means he is playing something and somebody (which is also very likely, and may well be you)... without a HINT of 'Orange Man Bad', just as a sturdy rule-of-thumb, that he is a player running a game is the most obvious and reasoned position to take, according to his history, motivation, personality, and general rules of the game... And as evidenced by his actions.
Perhaps you will better understand my jaundiced eye, and realize I have little reason to ever be a true believer because I start from a critical position ALWAYS when it comes to government. I believe quite profoundly in the warning of the phrase 'I'm, from the government, and I am here to help'.
The ONLY guy I will cheer for is that guy that is there to slash and burn. To enact draconian cuts on the GOVERNMENT, not the citizens. I would leap for JOY at a man that would make 1/3rd of America jobless - that third that works for the Fed. That guy will be inerrantly and always a Conservative, dyed in the wool, because it is only Conservatives that believe that government is not your friend. Is ~NEVER~ your friend.
So if I knew right off the bat, and if I was biased from the start against Tumpy, it is only because it was quite apparent from his early history on up that he did not possess the Conservative stones to do what folks said he was going to do. The minute he crawled in bed with Turtle fixed the deal.
Yes, I jeer. Purposefully, with a pointing finger. But that is based firmly in a first premise that has proved true. The way this is fixed, the ONLY way it is fixed, is with a congress filled to bursting with Conservative paladins with hands on the levers of power, and a grand-daddy, rock-ribbed Conservative to lead them. Anything else is a waste of time and an affirmation of 'Here to Help' rather than heeding the warning.
And even at that, it will take many iterations, as many will still fall to corruption. So it will take an insistence and commitment to the cause that very few who claim conservatism possess or understand.
[/rant]
Hope that helps with the POV.
On the other hand its clear he over-promised - but what presidential candidate doesn't. If Barr doesn't cough up some key indictments I will make no more apologies for him about the 'drain the swamp' issue.
FACTS. And if I am wrong, and there are indicted Democrats in droves frog-marching to their doom in October, I will happily admit my error. But I wouldn't bet on it.
:beer:
-
I think it is certainly a possibility Bill Clinton talked Trump into running on the Republican side to throw a monkey wrench into the GOP nomination. Bill thought he was clearing the path for his wife by hamstringing his opponents from within. Not long before Trump announced he was running as a Republican he was considered a clown on the conservative side. Even Jim Rob said as much. But the promise to build a wall sealed the deal for those who believed him. That was all that mattered. His long history of being a NY liberal was just that, history...
Likely. He thought he was clearing a path for his wife, and instead, cleared the way for Tumpy. Surely explains the venom on the left.
-
Don't blame her if she did. She was beaten up relentlessly here.
And that's a damn shame.
-
It is also a direct contradiction of what they claim. In the same breath they say "only Trump can save us" and then "Trump's hands are tied, he's not a dictator"... And never mind that Trump campaigned as literally the only guy that could make the things he promised happen due to his awesome negotiating skills... And then they tell us he's not a politician... My lyin eyes...
That's right.
-
Alright - hear me please:
[rant]
If I allow that, which I see where you are coming from, that bespeaks a certainty of ineptitude... The only logical extension of that position is that he bit off way, way more than he could chew, and he should have known better.., That is functionally inept. So to me, to give him the benefit of the doubt necessarily requires that admission of ineptitude. To do otherwise is to admit he is a player, which is more likely... But also means he is playing something and somebody (which is also very likely, and may well be you)... without a HINT of 'Orange Man Bad', just as a sturdy rule-of-thumb, that he is a player running a game is the most obvious and reasoned position to take, according to his history, motivation, personality, and general rules of the game... And as evidenced by his actions.
Perhaps you will better understand my jaundiced eye, and realize I have little reason to ever be a true believer because I start from a critical position ALWAYS when it comes to government. I believe quite profoundly in the warning of the phrase 'I'm, from the government, and I am here to help'.
The ONLY guy I will cheer for is that guy that is there to slash and burn. To enact draconian cuts on the GOVERNMENT, not the citizens. I would leap for JOY at a man that would make 1/3rd of America jobless - that third that works for the Fed. That guy will be inerrantly and always a Conservative, dyed in the wool, because it is only Conservatives that believe that government is not your friend. Is ~NEVER~ your friend.
So if I knew right off the bat, and if I was biased from the start against Tumpy, it is only because it was quite apparent from his early history on up that he did not possess the Conservative stones to do what folks said he was going to do. The minute he crawled in bed with Turtle fixed the deal.
Yes, I jeer. Purposefully, with a pointing finger. But that is based firmly in a first premise that has proved true. The way this is fixed, the ONLY way it is fixed, is with a congress filled to bursting with Conservative paladins with hands on the levers of power, and a grand-daddy, rock-ribbed Conservative to lead them. Anything else is a waste of time and an affirmation of 'Here to Help' rather than heeding the warning.
And even at that, it will take many iterations, as many will still fall to corruption. So it will take an insistence and commitment to the cause that very few who claim conservatism possess or understand.
[/rant]
Hope that helps with the POV.
FACTS. And if I am wrong, and there are indicted Democrats in droves frog-marching to their doom in October, I will happily admit my error. But I wouldn't bet on it.
:beer:
Fair enough. I allow that a good portion of Trump's difficulties stem from his ineptitude - I believe he did not fully appreciate what he would be up against. Whether he should have is another matter.
And its true - to my knowledge he never gave any indication, other than his 2016 campaign rhetoric, to believe he would govern in a manner I would approve of. And I did not believe he would, which is why I supported Cruz. But he surprised with generally speaking some of the best executive branch policies I've seen in 40 years. And he now has my support.
Anyway I do respect the above POV and appreciate the time you took to post it.
-
@sneakypete
But I still want to know why Trump ultimately decided not to prosecute Hillary after saying he would if elected. I don't buy his explanation that "she suffered enough."
@Applewood
I don't know,either. Chances are it is something like dirt on one of his children,which is about the only thing I can think of would make him back-off.
Or maybe it is something so big he is saving it for the "proper time",namely his second term,because it is so "explosive" it would have complicated his first term even more. Don't forget,in his second term he no longer has to please the Dims OR the RINO's.
What I DO know,and so do you and anyone else who has ever thought about it,is that the Clintons,ESPECIALLY Bubbette! have been as quiet as church mice the last 4 years. Not sure if it is a threat from Trump or something else causing it,but it's not like either of them to avoid tv cameras.
-
I believe he did not fully appreciate what he would be up against.
Nor did 99 and 44/100% of these supporting him @skeeter but I have told you from day one that draining the swamp was not going to be easy, clean, or quick and I was probably somewhat naive as well.
I admit to never imagining that the bastards would invent a pandemic to preserve their swamp but here we are.
-
Some of the President's enemies could muster serious (as in buy your own country) money for the persons or person who managed to stop him from winning by foul means. Not presenting a direct target might be prudent at this point. While I believe the Secret Service remains professional as ever,
@Smokin Joe
I only believe that if they were never professionals. I have no doubt the ones that personally guard he and his family are trustworthy,but the agency itself seems to now be as corrupt as the rest of the feral government.
Who knows? Maybe it has been that way all along and the Clinton's only refined it by forcing the honest ones they didn't trust into retirement,and promoting the groupies? Only the insiders know this,and they ain't talking.
my level of trust would drop off exponentially by the time I was dealing with most other alphabet agencies. There are people who stand to lose a lot if the swamp starts draining, and a lot of them.
-
@Applewood
I don't know,either. Chances are it is something like dirt on one of his children,which is about the only thing I can think of would make him back-off.
Or maybe it just made for a good soundbite at campaign stops and he never intended for it to be anything but that.
Or maybe it is something so big he is saving it for the "proper time",namely his second term,because it is so "explosive" it would have complicated his first term even more. Don't forget,in his second term he no longer has to please the Dims OR the RINO's.
If he hasn't done it by now...he never will. In fact his second term will most likely mirror Bush 43's second term for the exact reason you stated above.
What I DO know,and so do you and anyone else who has ever thought about it,is that the Clintons,ESPECIALLY Bubbette! have been as quiet as church mice the last 4 years. Not sure if it is a threat from Trump or something else causing it,but it's not like either of them to avoid tv cameras.
You clearly don't have Twitter. Cankles is all over that social media platform bloviating. She has been anything bu silent.
-
I think it is certainly a possibility Bill Clinton talked Trump into running on the Republican side to throw a monkey wrench into the GOP nomination. Bill thought he was clearing the path for his wife by hamstringing his opponents from within. Not long before Trump announced he was running as a Republican he was considered a clown on the conservative side. Even Jim Rob said as much. But the promise to build a wall sealed the deal for those who believed him. That was all that mattered. His long history of being a NY liberal was just that, history...
You and I definitely agree on this somewhat and I've felt this way for quite some time. Cruz announced his run for the presidency and the left panicked; he WAS the one that could beat Hillary. Cruz had a huge following and an excellent ground game. If he didn't have either he would have never made it into the Senate in spite of all odds and the GOPe (Turtle) trying to stop him. So, he had to be stopped. Enter Donald J. Trump. Trump went after every single one of his opponents relentlessly and ruthlessly, especially Cruz and yet he was relatively mild when it came to attacking his opponent his friend, Hillary.
Trump being the master salesman of himself, looked at what would sell; being an outsider, building a wall, and no amnesty. I noticed that many of the ideas that Cruz had Trump expounded about and was a better seller of those ideas. After all it was Cruz that he was inserted into the election to stop.
I don't think that Trump ever intended to win and certainly the Hillary campaign and all those that had counted on her winning were in absolute horror that he won. Trump took the reigns. The bitterness from the DEMS, especially those in the past administration escalated and they vehemently have tried to stop everything that he has tried to do when they realized that he was going to play his own game and do things his way! They vowed he would be a one term president; Russia gate ... impeachment... COVID. Trump being Trump wasn't about to let them win ... so he went ahead with "his" plans and surprisingly he has made some progress along the border and has made some conservative moves and has done some patriotic things. I have no doubt when he became president he realized the economic quagmire this country was in; business and the economy have always been his forte and he absolutely succeeded. I also believe along the way he realized the amount of corruption coming from the other side; corruption that was lurking to sink him and his economy. He's been fighting, but his liberal tendencies also shine through.
It is very troubling that he hasn't drained the swamp, the wall isn't built, the deficit has absolutely skyrocketed, he hasn't stopped the rioting in the streets and he is promising a roadway to citizenship, IOW, amnesty.
If he does go after the swamp creatures (and he won't)... then my assessment of Trump is dead wrong and I will be the first to admit it.
-
So is an FBI that has, by and large violated their oaths for partisan reasons.
@Smokin Joe
How ironic is it that the Feebs were only an honest and trustworthy agency in our Government while under the control of a cross-dressing homosexual?
The funny part is nobody could blackmail Hoover because he had blackmail material on every prominent political family in the nation.
Mutual Assured Destruction.
-
Fair enough. I allow that a good portion of Trump's difficulties stem from his ineptitude - I believe he did not fully appreciate what he would be up against. Whether he should have is another matter.
And its true - to my knowledge he never gave any indication, other than his 2016 campaign rhetoric, to believe he would govern in a manner I would approve of. And I did not believe he would, which is why I supported Cruz. But he surprised with generally speaking some of the best executive branch policies I've seen in 40 years. And he now has my support.
Again, I can see why you think that... But no laws have been passed. The illusion of nirvana, if you believe it, may be gone with a POOF! as soon as January. Step back a bit and see what actually IS being passed permanently, by way of law, and things look a whole lot different. That is my basis for the claim one should write off EOs and pay them no mind.
Jussayin. AGAIN, as a general rule, not an attack. The attack stems from that root. And the offense at being attacked should not discount that root. FACTS are stubborn things.
Anyway I do respect the above POV and appreciate the time you took to post it.
:beer:
-
There is alot at stake for a great many powerful parties who've never had to deal with someone for whom they've had nothing to offer.
@skeeter
A whole new experience for them. Someone they could neither blackmail nor bribe. It has been driving them nuts ever since his first day in office. Doesn't he know there are important families losing billions because he won't play along? Who does he think he is?
ROFLMAO!
-
Doesn't have to be sane or moderate, just some twofer minority who is not proud of the country.
Can you say Michelle Obama?
@IsailedawayfromFR
Tranny. NOT going to happen. Maybe 20 years from now,but not now.
-
Nor did 99 and 44/100% of these supporting him @skeeter but I have told you from day one that draining the swamp was not going to be easy, clean, or quick and I was probably somewhat naive as well.
I admit to never imagining that the bastards would invent a pandemic to preserve their swamp but here we are.
Glad to hear someone else say that as I have been told by a few people that, that's just one of my crazy conspiracy theories.
-
@IsailedawayfromFR
Tranny. NOT going to happen. Maybe 20 years from now,but not now.
Oprah... That would be deadly...
-
I want to know why, as well. Could be for the same damned reason 'why' Barr and Durham haven't done jack$hit towards holding Obama (or even his higher up underlings) accountable for their deeds. Deep state = too big to fall.
@XenaLee
You may be right. It may be "professional courtesy" from the pols. After all,if a former President,VP,or 1st Lady can be charged and convicted of felonies while in office,how safe is a mere former Congresscritter or Senator?
IF that is the case,Trump is powerless to push that forward,and so would anyone else holding the Presidency. That only works in Dictatorships. Every other form of government operates on compromises.
BTW,I don't like it,but I long ago concluded nobody in the Clinton OR Bush Crime families were ever going to see charges filed,never mind a day in court. It just ain't going to happen and there is not a single thing we can do about it.
-
What I DO know,and so do you and anyone else who has ever thought about it,is that the Clintons,ESPECIALLY Bubbette! have been as quiet as church mice the last 4 years. Not sure if it is a threat from Trump or something else causing it,but it's not like either of them to avoid tv cameras.
Clean hands.
-
Glad to hear someone else say that as I have been told by a few people that, that's just one of my crazy conspiracy theories.
I don't believe the Chinese released it on purpose. They did hide that it had leaked out on purpose.
But the "never let a crises go to waste" party grabbed on to it to leverage it into what they wanted. A crushed economy filled with fear. And they have been unrelenting at it.
-
I admit to never imagining that the bastards would invent a pandemic to preserve their swamp but here we are.
Nope. World-wide. A bigger game is afoot. That they are taking the advantage is likely true, but that is not the cause.
-
Nope. World-wide. A bigger game is afoot. That they are taking the advantage is likely true, but that is not the cause.
Do you, for one second, believe that the CHICOM government gives one hoot in hell how many people they kill in order to get their way? If so, I would suggest that you need to review their history.
-
Do you, for one second, believe that the CHICOM government gives one hoot in hell how many people they kill in order to get their way? If so, I would suggest that you need to review their history.
No, still myopic. Governments all over the world are enacting the same draconian measures. This is a world level play. New world order... Rise of the beast... something like that.
What is happening here is bad, no doubt, and I don't mean to belittle it... but it is incidental to the game at hand.
-
No, still myopic. Governments all over the world are enacting the same draconian measures. This is a world level play. New world order... Rise of the beast... something like that.
What is happening here is bad, no doubt, and I don't mean to belittle it... but it is incidental to the game at hand.
Well yeah! The CHICOMS definitely want a one-world government as long as they get to run it!
-
I don't believe the Chinese released it on purpose. They did hide that it had leaked out on purpose.
But the "never let a crises go to waste" party grabbed on to it to leverage it into what they wanted. A crushed economy filled with fear. And they have been unrelenting at it.
Fauci was head of the research team and funded the Chinese scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology on coronavirus and gain of function research -- he was also part of that research during the Obama administration -- Obama actually closed the research because there was too much risk of a pandemic. I am not clear as to how Fauci restarted/funded that research after Trump took office.
I believe Fauci/Biden/DEMS did inflict this virus upon the world and in particular the U.S. to destroy the global economy, the U.S. economy and in particular to take Trump down. The Chinese want to be the financial superpower and have their currency dominate. I find it too highly coincidental that all of Biden's opponents stepped down when the virus made it's entrance into the U.S. Biden and his son Hunter have financial ties with China. Incidentally, when Glenn Beck was researching the Bidens and Ukraine they stumbled upon the evidence of the ties with Biden, Hunter and China. (I had previously posted that video).
Nope --in my books, Fauci, Biden and the DEMS are responsible.
-
Well yeah! The CHICOMS definitely want a one-world government as long as they get to run it!
Sure... And so do several others... I am predicting the 10 divisions... pretty well following the map produced by Club of Rome, will rise from this event... or subsequent iterations...
An historical view with an eye toward the occult would recognize that map as the world division once attained by Poseidon and his 10 sons in legendary Atlantis... And no, you don't have to believe it... That 'they' believe it is all it takes. And they do believe it.
-
No, still myopic. Governments all over the world are enacting the same draconian measures. This is a world level play. New world order... Rise of the beast... something like that.
What is happening here is bad, no doubt, and I don't mean to belittle it... but it is incidental to the game at hand.
Absolutely agree with you. Something "Global" is definitely going on.
The real question is, WHAT is directing it? WHAT is behind the curtain?
[Cue X Files theme song] ... do you really want to know?
-
No, still myopic. Governments all over the world are enacting the same draconian measures. This is a world level play. New world order... Rise of the beast... something like that.
What is happening here is bad, no doubt, and I don't mean to belittle it... but it is incidental to the game at hand.
@roamer_1
I agree.
"End Game" time. The are going for the "World Series."
-
Absolutely agree with you. Something "Global" is definitely going on.
The real question is, WHAT is directing it? WHAT is behind the curtain?
[Cue X Factor theme song] ... do you really want to know?
IMHO...behind that curtain...pulling the strings...is Soros and his billions.
-
Well yeah! The CHICOMS definitely want a one-world government as long as they get to run it!
@Bigun
Which makes them different from the other wannabe Dictators in what important ways?
They have their goals seat on controlling all of Asia for the moment,just like the European banking families have the goal of controlling all of Europe and North America.
For the moment.
Once they gain power,the back-fighting will start over Africa,South America,etc,etc,etc.
Make no mistake about it,though. The ultimate goal is "World Wide Government,Inc".
-
@Bigun
Which makes them different from the other wannabe Dictators in what important ways?
They have their goals seat on controlling all of Asia for the moment,just like the European banking families have the goal of controlling all of Europe and North America.
For the moment.
Once they gain power,the back-fighting will start over Africa,South America,etc,etc,etc.
Make no mistake about it,though. The ultimate goal is "World Wide Government,Inc".
I hate to break this to you @sneakypete but those European banking families have been controlling all of Europe and North America since 1913 and that will continew for so long as we continue to abide the Marxist Income tax and the FED!
-
I hate to break this to you @sneakypete but those European banking families have been controlling all of Europe and North America since 1913 and that will continew for so long as we continue to abide the Marxist Income tax and the FED!
@Bigun
There is nothing new about this. They have been doing it since at least the Middle Ages. One of the Harriman Bank women was allowed to live free in Paris under Nazi occupation. She could come and go as she pleased with no restrictions. THAT's "horsepower"!
The thing is they have had to do this in hiding all these centuries. They now want to come out in public and be the Global Kings and Queens they consider themselves to be,without fear of arrest and execution after confiscation of all their wealth. They didn't really fear the Royalty all that much because the Royalty needed them,but they were not and are not stupid people. They feared what would happen to them if the masses found out they existed and had been pulling the strings.
With the instant communications of today and the comparative ease of being able to control assets far away instantly from the comfort of your fortress,they are ready to go public.
-
Absolutely agree with you. Something "Global" is definitely going on.
The real question is, WHAT is directing it? WHAT is behind the curtain?
[Cue X Files theme song] ... do you really want to know?
:beer:
Absolutely. As to what, dunno. Has not been revealed. But as I said upthread, I am betting on the new Atlantis, that if you have dabbled in occult circles, you would know has been the direction for centuries... That's the end that the dark side has been after all the way along. That is the Golden Age that 'Camelot' the shining city on the hill, is always patterned after.
-
IMHO...behind that curtain...pulling the strings...is Soros and his billions.
And Donald Trump is John McClane ... the wrench in the gears, the fly in the ointment.
He proved to everyone in less than 1 term that Americans will thrive if they put our country first, and that Globalists and the Current Left can ESAD.
-
Speaking of odd...
"Shipment of nearly 20 thousand fake U.S. driver’s licenses from China were just confiscated at Chicago airport"
https://www.lifezette.com/2020/08/shipment-of-nearly-20-thousand-fake-u-s-drivers-licenses-from-china-were-just-confiscated-at-chicago-airport/ (https://www.lifezette.com/2020/08/shipment-of-nearly-20-thousand-fake-u-s-drivers-licenses-from-china-were-just-confiscated-at-chicago-airport/)
And
"Europe's Top Health Officials Say Masks Aren't Helpful in Beating COVID-19"
https://fee.org/articles/europes-top-health-officials-say-masks-arent-helpful-in-beating-covid-19/ (https://fee.org/articles/europes-top-health-officials-say-masks-arent-helpful-in-beating-covid-19/)
-
IMHO...behind that curtain...pulling the strings...is Soros and his billions.
:beer: I have no doubt.
-
@roamer_1
I agree.
"End Game" time. The are going for the "World Series."
Right... Or they are flexin. Getting ready... and this is a dress rehearsal... Hard to say yet, but it's big.
-
IMHO...behind that curtain...pulling the strings...is Soros and his billions.
@txradioguy
Close,but no cigar. Soros is out in public,loud and proud.
He is "second tier. I want to know who pulls HIS strings.
-
@txradioguy
Close,but no cigar. Soros is out in public,loud and proud.
He is "second tier. I want to know who pulls HIS strings.
His public image is a shiny object distraction for everything he's doing that we don't see.
-
Nor did 99 and 44/100% of these supporting him @skeeter but I have told you from day one that draining the swamp was not going to be easy, clean, or quick and I was probably somewhat naive as well.
I admit to never imagining that the bastards would invent a pandemic to preserve their swamp but here we are.
It has been eye opening - even to cynical people our age.
-
@mrpotatohead it appears that @Chosen Daughter may have left the forum
I do not believe it was voluntary, but forced removal.
-
Again, I can see why you think that... But no laws have been passed. The illusion of nirvana, if you believe it, may be gone with a POOF! as soon as January. Step back a bit and see what actually IS being passed permanently, by way of law, and things look a whole lot different. That is my basis for the claim one should write off EOs and pay them no mind.
Jussayin. AGAIN, as a general rule, not an attack. The attack stems from that root. And the offense at being attacked should not discount that root. FACTS are stubborn things.
:beer:
:beer:
-
@txradioguy
Close,but no cigar. Soros is out in public,loud and proud.
He is "second tier. I want to know who pulls HIS strings.
Second tier?? I don't think so ... he dominates/owns many companies either outright or as a major stockholder and so do his kids. Many of his foundations/projects are anti-Americana and are all part of his "Open Society Foundations" -- now known as "Open Society Institute".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_projects_supported_by_George_Soros
-
wink777
I do not believe it was voluntary, but forced removal.
@IsailedawayfromFR
If true,it was overdue. She added nothing but conflict.
-
wink777
@IsailedawayfromFR
If true,it was overdue. She added nothing but conflict.
Had something to do with her calling Trump a Nazi and that he assassinated his own cabinet members.
And adding conflict was what Surpressed was famous for. He is already done sometime ago.
-
@txradioguy
Close,but no cigar. Soros is out in public,loud and proud.
He is "second tier. I want to know who pulls HIS strings.
I'm betting the surname is Rothchild and various others connected over time by marriage.
The Rothschild’s Global Crime Syndicate and How It Works (http://themillenniumreport.com/2019/08/the-rothschilds-global-crime-syndicate-and-how-it-works/)
Read it if you dare!
-
I'm betting the surname is Rothchild and various others connected over time by marriage.
The Rothschild’s Global Crime Syndicate and How It Works (http://themillenniumreport.com/2019/08/the-rothschilds-global-crime-syndicate-and-how-it-works/)
Read it if you dare!
I've read it...I just don't buy tinfoil by the square yard to be able to believe it.
-
Second tier?? I don't think so ... he dominates/owns many companies either outright or as a major stockholder and so do his kids. Many of his foundations/projects are anti-Americana and are all part of his "Open Society Foundations" -- now known as "Open Society Institute".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_projects_supported_by_George_Soros
All of that is true @libertybele but @sneakypete is right. He's just a henchman for the Rothchild empire. You and bet that there are others as well albiet less well known to the public general public.
-
I've read it...I just don't buy tinfoil by the square yard to be able to believe it.
Suit yourself! You know what they say about horses and water.
But the fact is that they have been at this for longer than the has been anything known as the United States of America.
Was Andy Jackson wearing a tin foil hat when he said "I killed the bank"? I think not.
You might try reading this as well:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5137Mh++yKL._SX328_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Temple-Federal-Reserve-Country/dp/0671675567 (https://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Temple-Federal-Reserve-Country/dp/0671675567)
"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a brave and scarce man, hated and scorned. When the cause succeeds, however, the timid join him...for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."
Mark Twain
-
Suit yourself! You know what they say about horses and water.
But the fact is that they have been at this for longer than the has been anything known as the United States of America.
Was Andy Jackson wearing a tin foil hat when he said "I killed the bank"? I think not.
You might try reading this as well:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5137Mh++yKL._SX328_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Temple-Federal-Reserve-Country/dp/0671675567 (https://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Temple-Federal-Reserve-Country/dp/0671675567)
"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a brave and scarce man, hated and scorned. When the cause succeeds, however, the timid join him...for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."
Mark Twain
To each their own. I just don't buy into conspiracy theories whether it's this or the loons that think 9/11 was some kind of covert U.S. operation.
-
To each their own. I just don't buy into conspiracy theories whether it's this or the loons that think 9/11 was some kind of covert U.S. operation.
Postulates become theories and, once proven, facts!
Copurnicus was not much revered for a LONG time either.
-
Postulates become theories and, once proven, facts!
Copurnicus was not much revered for a LONG time either.
There's a huge difference in thinking it's heresy to say the earth revolves around the sun or whether the earth is flat or not and what you're trying to convince me of.
Just sayin...
-
I do not believe it was voluntary, but forced removal.
Could not control herself, after repeated warnings.
The final straw was talk of assassination of the President.
No rational site owner/mod wants to be a hub for such talk.
-
Could not control herself, after repeated warnings.
The final straw was talk of assassination of the President.
No rational site owner/mod wants to be a hub for such talk.
@truth_seeker
The only site that I've ever seen that wears the fact they've had FBI and/or Secret Service show up at their offices numbers times like a badge of honor because of things members have said...is David Allen and the reprobates at DU.
Not a club I think Myst or anyone else wants to be a part of.
-
There's a huge difference in thinking it's heresy to say the earth revolves around the sun or whether the earth is flat or not and what you're trying to convince me of.
Just sayin...
Maybe if you hear it from the horse's mouth so to speak.
"Give me control of a nations' money, and I care not who runs the government."
Meyer Rothschild (1743-1812)
Woodrow Wilson gave it to them here in 1913. They had it in Europe LONG before that.
-
@Smokin Joe
How ironic is it that the Feebs were only an honest and trustworthy agency in our Government while under the control of a cross-dressing homosexual?
The funny part is nobody could blackmail Hoover because he had blackmail material on every prominent political family in the nation.
Mutual Assured Destruction.
Yes, and that's the glue that keeps the swamp together.
Someone they haven't been able to dig dirt on using the full force of the federal Government leaves them incontinent, especially if/when he turns that force (under different management) on them. Well, so much for my Christmas wish list.
More likely, SSDD, but we'll see. :pop41:
-
Could not control herself, after repeated warnings.
The final straw was talk of assassination of the President.
No rational site owner/mod wants to be a hub for such talk.
Wow. Self-control was definitely absent at times but I had no idea that she talked of assassination. That is over the top and extremely troubling. I'm just very surprised, especially coming from someone who declared themselves to be a Christian. I am glad then that she was shown the door.
-
Nor did 99 and 44/100% of these supporting him @skeeter but I have told you from day one that draining the swamp was not going to be easy, clean, or quick and I was probably somewhat naive as well.
I admit to never imagining that the bastards would invent a pandemic to preserve their swamp but here we are.
They were working on that in 2014. They moved that research to China and partially funded it there, possibly for deniability. (I know, that sounds like tinfoil time, but remember, the hallmark of the Obama administration was to do the outrageous and then fall back on calling it wackadoodle conspiracy theory if caught.)
I think it would have been released anyway, with Miz Hillary Care to be running that fecal extravaganza, to 'Save the Planet', or at least as much as could be enslaved, up to that Georgia Guidestone 500,000,000 or so.
But before they did, they would have had a vaccine that works with few or no significant side effects, and would have ramped up the mortality rate while keeping the contagion factor--exactly what they were allegedly researching: creating chimeric viruses with "enhanced capability".
When the Impeachment failed, they went with Plan B, ahead of the desired level of development, because a crisis built on fudged numbers, enhanced death rates, and media hype is better than no crisis at all.
{Note that the Democrats control the States/Cities with the worst results, including banning promising treatments, then producing tainted 'studies' to discredit them, while promoting other treatments which were found to be ineffective or less optimal (assuming the goal is to prevent death).
Note also that when numbers of cases began to subside all sorts of shaky accounting became evident, along with bad policy, and eventually when that didn't work, riots.
What's important about this is that Leftists typically disagree, will make up or fudge data to support that and then, if you won't buy what they are selling, resort to verbal or physical attack, which is precisely what is going on.}
-
"Republicans fear disaster in November" many fear he will Win.
-
They were working on that in 2014. They moved that research to China and partially funded it there, possibly for deniability. (I know, that sounds like tinfoil time, but remember, the hallmark of the Obama administration was to do the outrageous and then fall back on calling it wackadoodle conspiracy theory if caught.)
I think it would have been released anyway, with Miz Hillary Care to be running that fecal extravaganza, to 'Save the Planet', or at least as much as could be enslaved, up to that Georgia Guidestone 500,000,000 or so.
But before they did, they would have had a vaccine that works with few or no significant side effects, and would have ramped up the mortality rate while keeping the contagion factor--exactly what they were allegedly researching: creating chimeric viruses with "enhanced capability".
When the Impeachment failed, they went with Plan B, ahead of the desired level of development, because a crisis built on fudged numbers, enhanced death rates, and media hype is better than no crisis at all.
{Note that the Democrats control the States/Cities with the worst results, including banning promising treatments, then producing tainted 'studies' to discredit them, while promoting other treatments which were found to be ineffective or less optimal (assuming the goal is to prevent death).
Note also that when numbers of cases began to subside all sorts of shaky accounting became evident, along with bad policy, and eventually when that didn't work, riots.
What's important about this is that Leftists typically disagree, will make up or fudge data to support that and then, if you won't buy what they are selling, resort to verbal or physical attack, which is precisely what is going on.}
All true. However, think of what 'they' have inflicted upon the entire world. Belgium, United Kingdom, Spain, Italy, Sweden, France, and others all have suffered tremendous loss of life. It is incomprehensible and unconscionable that the greed and lust for power has created this pandemic.
-
"Republicans fear disaster in November" many fear he will Win.
That fear dumped the pandemic on the world.
-
They were working on that in 2014. They moved that research to China and partially funded it there, possibly for deniability. (I know, that sounds like tinfoil time, but remember, the hallmark of the Obama administration was to do the outrageous and then fall back on calling it wackadoodle conspiracy theory if caught.)
I think it would have been released anyway, with Miz Hillary Care to be running that fecal extravaganza, to 'Save the Planet', or at least as much as could be enslaved, up to that Georgia Guidestone 500,000,000 or so.
But before they did, they would have had a vaccine that works with few or no significant side effects, and would have ramped up the mortality rate while keeping the contagion factor--exactly what they were allegedly researching: creating chimeric viruses with "enhanced capability".
When the Impeachment failed, they went with Plan B, ahead of the desired level of development, because a crisis built on fudged numbers, enhanced death rates, and media hype is better than no crisis at all.
{Note that the Democrats control the States/Cities with the worst results, including banning promising treatments, then producing tainted 'studies' to discredit them, while promoting other treatments which were found to be ineffective or less optimal (assuming the goal is to prevent death).
Note also that when numbers of cases began to subside all sorts of shaky accounting became evident, along with bad policy, and eventually when that didn't work, riots.
What's important about this is that Leftists typically disagree, will make up or fudge data to support that and then, if you won't buy what they are selling, resort to verbal or physical attack, which is precisely what is going on.}
I don't believe they are that dumb. If they were purposely going to release it you would do it somewhere else and not your own backyard. If it had popped up in South American or Africa it would have been more plausible especially for deniability. This thing is clearly Chinese and in the very city the lab that was studying it is in. A leak is much more likely, especially considering how Chinese like to cut corners doing things.
-
Did anyone notice the post a little up thread?
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,410625.msg2265279.html#msg2265279 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,410625.msg2265279.html#msg2265279)
-
I don't believe they are that dumb. If they were purposely going to release it you would do it somewhere else and not your own backyard. If it had popped up in South American or Africa it would have been more plausible especially for deniability. This thing is clearly Chinese and in the very city the lab that was studying it is in. A leak is much more likely, especially considering how Chinese like to cut corners doing things.
A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence
Full Paper at link:
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985)
Note the Date. This research was done in North Carolina.
Note the Authors, and that among them, Xing-Yi Ge is from Xing-Yi Ge
Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China
and (I missed this the first time I posted this information) Zhengli-Li Shi
Zhengli-Li Shi
Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China
From the Abstract:
Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations.
Note that SARS-CoV-2 is exactly the sort of thing they were creating in North Carolina when their funding was pulled. A virus that attacks the same pneumocytes using the same (ACE2) receptor as the Chimera virus they created in the lab. This paper came out in Nature the following year.
I would postulate that there is a strong possibility that a more deadly version was in the works, considering that they were creating novel pathogens with enhanced capability and that the release would not have been in China, either, but it would have been convenient for the Clintons to be saviours of the world, with of course, ChiCom help, along with Gates, the UN, and a cast of dozens of power players, mostly still behind the scenes.
The vaccine alone would have put dozens of countries in thrall to the international bankers, and patent holders, effectively economic serfdom.--or die.
Intentionally or accidentally, this got out of the lab in time to displace the Impeachment fiasco from the Global news cycle. This was a premature release, perhaps out of desperation, using globetrotting Chinese and others to spread it, while attempting to cover up the very existence of the outbreak, a dispersal mechanism which was highly effective, yet deniable, which led to the "wet market' fable. There was a desperate need for a shift in focus, attention, and even power, not just in the news cycle, but desperately seeking leverage, once again, to disrupt this administration. Neither the Democrats nor the ChiComs have any love for Trump, the only question is one of which (actually, of many players) is most desperate to harm him, especially in the media eye.
Was there collusion? It's be hard to summarily dismiss, especially considering it was deals brokered by Bill and Hillary which really made the Chinese a force in space at all. (Recall Loral and the missing circuit boards from a failed launch that were guidance circuits provided by (iirc) Hughes Aerospace, all on the Clintons' watch).
It was no secret that a compelling case against Trump had not been made, long before the results were official.
Something, (from the Democrats and the Chinese POV) needed to be done.
I don't believe in coincidences, and too much has fit too well for that, but just possibly, it was a mere accidental release, of a lab-crated virus from a BSL-4 facility, funded in part by NIAID money, with Fauci's okay...
-
Could not control herself, after repeated warnings.
The final straw was talk of assassination of the President.
No rational site owner/mod wants to be a hub for such talk.
It was by the President, not of the President.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,409181.msg2256009.html#msg2256009 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,409181.msg2256009.html#msg2256009)
-
Second tier?? I don't think so ... he dominates/owns many companies either outright or as a major stockholder and so do his kids. Many of his foundations/projects are anti-Americana and are all part of his "Open Society Foundations" -- now known as "Open Society Institute".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_projects_supported_by_George_Soros
I agree with you. I have a five page list of all the companies SOROS owns, major controlling stock in. Then he owns companies in Europe. Off the top of my head, He owns WALMART, STARBUCKS, AETNA LIFE INS. , PROGRESSIVE CAR INS,
Bed & Bath & Beyond. Mortgage companies, Hedge funds, ...you name it. WE ARE SUPPORTING SOROS TO DESTROY US.
He says he is a god. Just a bit..
MAP Pharmaceuticals Inc.
Savient Pharmaceuticals Inc
Petroleo Brasileiro S.A.Petrobras
Baidu.com Inc. ADS
NII Holdings Inc
China Mobile Ltd.
NAVIOS MARITIME PTN
FIRST SOLAR, INC.
Mechel OAO, Broadcom Corp.
ENERGYSOLUTIONS INC
MKT VCTR RUSSIA SBI
iShares MSCI Japan
United Therapeutics Corp.
BPZ RESOURCES, INC
Pall Corp.
United Parcel Service, Inc.
Western Digital Corp.
MasterCard Inc.
Net 1 UEPS Technologies Inc.
MSC Software Corp.
The GEO Group Inc.
Banro Corp.
Nalco Holding Company
Support.com Inc.
NCR Corp.
SOLARFUN POWER HOLDINGS CO. LTD.
Convergys Corp.
CB Richard Ellis Group Inc.
LandAmerica Financial Group Inc.
Valassis Communications Inc.
-
"Just one conservative voice"...is the site.
-
Did anyone notice the post a little up thread?
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,410625.msg2265279.html#msg2265279 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,410625.msg2265279.html#msg2265279)
Customs confiscated almost as many about three months ago in Louisville.
-
I'm betting the surname is Rothchild and various others connected over time by marriage.
@Bigun
NOT a bet I am going to take!
I would lose to know what names they are going by these days,though.
Same with the Harriman's. I don't even know what they are calling their bank these days.
-
Customs confiscated almost as many about three months ago in Louisville.
Are they for voting fraudulently or something else?
They're for something...
I would think this would be a big deal.
-
I've read it...I just don't buy tinfoil by the square yard to be able to believe it.
@txradioguy
It is almost ceHe who controls the money,controls the world.rtainly an exaggeration,but there is enough truth in it that it should scare you. For example,they may control a lot of the European money,but I doubt they control a dime of the Chinese money.
There are also several other old European banking families that learned a few centuries back that family survival depended on keeping a low public profile.
-
Suit yourself! You know what they say about horses and water.
But the fact is that they have been at this for longer than the has been anything known as the United States of America.
Was Andy Jackson wearing a tin foil hat when he said "I killed the bank"? I think not.
You might try reading this as well:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5137Mh++yKL._SX328_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
@Bigun
The author misspelled "Ruins".
https://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Temple-Federal-Reserve-Country/dp/0671675567 (https://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Temple-Federal-Reserve-Country/dp/0671675567)
"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a brave and scarce man, hated and scorned. When the cause succeeds, however, the timid join him...for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."
Mark Twain
-
I say, DEMON-RATS, fear disaster in NOVEMBER. Always backwards with communists.
-
Ladies and Gentlemen:
What if Joe Biden chooses Mitt Romney as his running mate? Or even Kasich?
My inkling is that it wouldn't take one vote away from Donald Trump or the Independents.
There are literally millions of Americans who witnessed firsthand, ... for the 1st time, just what a "Trump Economy" would look like.
And many of them just bought homes and cars and started careers.
I point this out because that's exactly how I experienced Ronald Reagan. After hours' long gas lines on odd-even days...after 17% fixed-rate 30 year mortgages were the best available...Ronald Reagan changed my life.
It was just dumb luck that it was at the age of 30. I thank him for that with a Sign of The Cross.
Look...work with me here. I'm trying to find some confidant blue sky somewhere. happy77
-
Ladies and Gentlemen:
What if Joe Biden chooses Mitt Romney as his running mate? Or even Kasich?
My inkling is that it wouldn't take one vote away from Donald Trump or the Independents.
There are literally millions of Americans who witnessed firsthand, ... for the 1st time, just what a "Trump Economy" would look like.
And many of them just bought homes and cars and started careers.
I point this out because that's exactly how I experienced Ronald Reagan. After hours' long gas lines on odd-even days...after 17% fixed-rate 30 year mortgages were the best available...Ronald Reagan changed my life.
It was just dumb luck that it was at the age of 30. I thank him for that with a Sign of The Cross.
Look...work with me here. I'm trying to find some confidant blue sky somewhere. happy77
Well, if biteme wins, we will be back in jimmy's world
-
Ladies and Gentlemen:
What if Joe Biden chooses Mitt Romney as his running mate? Or even Kasich?
My inkling is that it wouldn't take one vote away from Donald Trump or the Independents.
No it wouldn't, and 30% of the rat voters base - the black part - would stay home.
-
Well, if biteme wins, we will be back in jimmy's world
They'd only have TWO years to change election laws to maintain power. And if they have a Super Majority come November, it will be 2009 all over again.
Only this time, they won't waste the honeymoon on a single issue.
Automatic Citizenship for anybody with a JOB, or a legal bonafide address in the U.S.A.
-
No it wouldn't, and 30% of the rat voters base - the black part - would stay home.
I agree. Plus, they expect President Trump to garner about 30%, which is possible, if they consider the Black family that just got married, started a good paying career and now a family and doesn't want to go back to the 'cage'.
-
Ladies and Gentlemen:
What if Joe Biden chooses Mitt Romney as his running mate? Or even Kasich?
This thought hasn't even crossed my mind, but it'd be a master stroke of politico-strategy. Concern in that doing this would give a faux-impression of being a bridge builder in troubling times. The ultimate centralist puke false scenario. It'll go over well with the MOR uninformed undecideds. But then, that has to be weighed with the possiblity of a ultra left revolt of the Bernie AOC wing.... so may it be a wash?
With that, and not withstanding with the lack of testicles with both Romney and Kasich. This still doesn't mean they meet Biden's promise of noninating a female VPOTUS candidate.
-
This thought hasn't even crossed my mind, but it'd be a master stroke of politico-strategy. Concern in that doing this would give a faux-impression of being a bridge builder in troubling times. The ultimate centralist puke false scenario. It'll go over well with the MOR uninformed undecideds. But then, that has to be weighed with the possiblity of a ultra left revolt of the Bernie AOC wing.... so may it be a wash?
With that, and not withstanding with the lack of testicles with both Romney and Kasich. This still doesn't mean they meet Biden's promise of noninating a female VPOTUS candidate.
:patriot:
-
Ladies and Gentlemen:
What if Joe Biden chooses Mitt Romney as his running mate? Or even Kasich?
@DCPatriot
He would probably start getting death threats from the Dim base.
My inkling is that it wouldn't take one vote away from Donald Trump or the Independents.
Same here.
-
Ladies and Gentlemen:
What if Joe Biden chooses Mitt Romney as his running mate? Or even Kasich?
My inkling is that it wouldn't take one vote away from Donald Trump or the Independents.
There are literally millions of Americans who witnessed firsthand, ... for the 1st time, just what a "Trump Economy" would look like.
And many of them just bought homes and cars and started careers.
I point this out because that's exactly how I experienced Ronald Reagan. After hours' long gas lines on odd-even days...after 17% fixed-rate 30 year mortgages were the best available...Ronald Reagan changed my life.
It was just dumb luck that it was at the age of 30. I thank him for that with a Sign of The Cross.
Look...work with me here. I'm trying to find some confidant blue sky somewhere. happy77
If Dementia Joes goes that direction then either one will get via the back door what they couldn't achieve with the voters IF Biden wins...the Presidency.
-
Ladies and Gentlemen:
What if Joe Biden chooses Mitt Romney as his running mate? Or even Kasich?
My inkling is that it wouldn't take one vote away from Donald Trump or the Independents.
There are literally millions of Americans who witnessed firsthand, ... for the 1st time, just what a "Trump Economy" would look like.
And many of them just bought homes and cars and started careers.
I point this out because that's exactly how I experienced Ronald Reagan. After hours' long gas lines on odd-even days...after 17% fixed-rate 30 year mortgages were the best available...Ronald Reagan changed my life.
It was just dumb luck that it was at the age of 30. I thank him for that with a Sign of The Cross.
Look...work with me here. I'm trying to find some confidant blue sky somewhere. happy77
I love your example of how Reagan not only transformed America, but changed the world for the better!
It's starting to look like Biden has topped out. Trump is narrowing the polls and there is no way the polls are truly reflecting the American people. There are a lot of conservatives who are just keeping their heads down till election day. IOW, Trump is probably ahead and may be well ahead. The beltway and media live in an echo chamber. They aren't using any common sense that God gave them. An overwhelming majority of us want to live in peace. We want safe streets. We like the police, except when they give us a ticket. We love our country. The Rats don't represent any of those things.
Trump has shifted gears. He not only is catching sleepy Joe, he is going to be passing him shortly if he hasn't already.
-
I agree. Plus, they expect President Trump to garner about 30%, which is possible, if they consider the Black family that just got married, started a good paying career and now a family and doesn't want to go back to the 'cage'.
I wouldn't place to much hope in the Black vote. There is an incredible amount of pressure to stay in line. Kanye West though is a bit of a wild card. In the States where he's on the ballot he may pull 2-3% of the younger Black vote, that may be key.
-
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/big-trumps-monthly-approval-rating-black-voters-holds-36-approval/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/big-trumps-monthly-approval-rating-black-voters-holds-36-approval/)
This Is Big! Trump Holds a 36% Approval Rating with
Black Voters in the Latest Rasmussen Monthly
Approval Summary
(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/deplorables-council-bluff-trump-rally-blacks-600x450.jpg)
-
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/big-trumps-monthly-approval-rating-black-voters-holds-36-approval/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/big-trumps-monthly-approval-rating-black-voters-holds-36-approval/)
This Is Big! Trump Holds a 36% Approval Rating with
Black Voters in the Latest Rasmussen Monthly
Approval Summary
(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/deplorables-council-bluff-trump-rally-blacks-600x450.jpg)
I need to get another deplorable sticker for my new truck.... left my old one on my other truck... I am sure it got scrapped off.. lol
-
Someone upstream on this thread presented the notion of the mailman's son or that rat from Utah as possible running mates for Biden. NO WAY!!!
He promised us a female, and someone of color. I suppose that includes Warren since she is 1/1,024th Cherokee. I just can't wait for this Bidenism.
The worst thing for Dems to allow happen is to have Republicans fearful. If they think the win is in the bag, folks might not turn out assuming the win, but with the threat the Democommunists have a shot, and the Republicans will turn out in force. IN FORCE, and that is why with their continued support of the anarchists in the streets burning everything down, you better believe the Republicans will be out in force, and there just isn't enough dead people to make up the votes.
REPUBLICAN TSUNAMI IS COMING!!!
-
Ladies and Gentlemen:
What if Joe Biden chooses Mitt Romney as his running mate? Or even Kasich?
My inkling is that it wouldn't take one vote away from Donald Trump or the Independents.
There are literally millions of Americans who witnessed firsthand, ... for the 1st time, just what a "Trump Economy" would look like.
And many of them just bought homes and cars and started careers.
I point this out because that's exactly how I experienced Ronald Reagan. After hours' long gas lines on odd-even days...after 17% fixed-rate 30 year mortgages were the best available...Ronald Reagan changed my life.
It was just dumb luck that it was at the age of 30. I thank him for that with a Sign of The Cross.
Look...work with me here. I'm trying to find some confidant blue sky somewhere. happy77
Joe will not be choosing his running mate, the Dem machine will.
Stand-in Joe is just there to act as the billboard at the feature show previews.
-
Joe will not be choosing his running mate, the Dem machine will.
Stand-in Joe is just there to act as the billboard at the feature show previews.
888high58888
-
Joe will not be choosing his running mate, the Dem machine will.
Stand-in Joe is just there to act as the billboard at the feature show previews.
That's semantics, @IsailedawayfromFR
It's exactly where I'm coming from.
How could the Democrat Party put to bed the real notion that they have become the Party of Overthrow and Anarchy?
They must distance themselves from Antifa and offer something 'similar' to Donald Trump in business acumen and more importantly, MODERATION in his politics. Somebody they can sell as a Uniter and Healer.
And they have nothing else close that might siphon off votes of Party Republicans who in reality are just a wing of the Trump Army.
-
That's semantics, @IsailedawayfromFR
It's exactly where I'm coming from.
How could the Democrat Party put to bed the real notion that they have become the Party of Overthrow and Anarchy?
They must distance themselves from Antifa and offer something 'similar' to Donald Trump in business acumen and more importantly, MODERATION in his politics. Somebody they can sell as a Uniter and Healer.
And they have nothing else close that might siphon off votes of Party Republicans who in reality are just a wing of the Trump Army.
What you are saying is true, but at the same time the Dems have to offer up a member of the oppressed minority, whether a female, black, or both.
They will lose more of their own at the ballot box due to indifference than what they might gain with the ones you mentioned.
-
I need to get another deplorable sticker for my new truck.... left my old one on my other truck... I am sure it got scrapped off.. lol
Then the reality is that it is actually 10 to 12 points, more. 48%.
-
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/big-trumps-monthly-approval-rating-black-voters-holds-36-approval/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/big-trumps-monthly-approval-rating-black-voters-holds-36-approval/)
This Is Big! Trump Holds a 36% Approval Rating with
Black Voters in the Latest Rasmussen Monthly
Approval Summary
(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/deplorables-council-bluff-trump-rally-blacks-600x450.jpg)
@DCPatriot
I can honestly say I fear for the lives and well-being of those young men if they live in "black neighborhoods".
-
Someone upstream on this thread presented the notion of the mailman's son or that rat from Utah as possible running mates for Biden. NO WAY!!!
He promised us a female, and someone of color.
@jafo2010
Well,both are "sissy boys" and both have a yellow streak running up their backs. This MIGHT qualify them.
It ain't going to happen,though. The left would explode if a Republican,even an alleged Republican like those two weasels were giving the slot. It has already been staked out as an Affirmative Action slot,so by GAWD they had better not put a cracka in it if they know what's good for them!
There is a mean side to my nature that would love to see a His or Her Panic get the slot,just to watch black heads explode from anger,though.
-
I don't believe they are that dumb. If they were purposely going to release it you would do it somewhere else and not your own backyard. If it had popped up in South American or Africa it would have been more plausible especially for deniability. This thing is clearly Chinese and in the very city the lab that was studying it is in. A leak is much more likely, especially considering how Chinese like to cut corners doing things.
Oh, it was planned. Perhaps released a bit early but check this out:
January 11, 2017
4 min read
SAVE
Fauci: ‘No doubt’ Trump will face surprise infectious disease outbreak
[url=https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20170111/fauci-no-doubt-trump-will-face-surprise-infectious-disease-outbreak]https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20170111/fauci-no-doubt-trump-will-face-surprise-infectious-disease-outbreak (https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20170111/fauci-no-doubt-trump-will-face-surprise-infectious-disease-outbreak)[/url]
-
II heard an opinion, that if the 36% held, the election is all but over.
-
yymouse
II heard an opinion, that if the 36% held, the election is all but over.
Well, the 36% seems credible and would explain just why so many Dem Mayors and Governors are trying to get Trump to take direct action against BLM, in order to get the "racist" optics they need to turn that around.
-
yymouseWell, the 36% seems credible and would explain just why so many Dem Mayors and Governors are trying to get Trump to take direct action against BLM, in order to get the "racist" optics they need to turn that around.
@Smokin Joe
You don't really believe those Dim Mayors,Governors,Senators,and Congressmen would use the tragic deaths of their constituents for personal political gain,do you?
-
@Smokin Joe
You don't really believe those Dim Mayors,Governors,Senators,and Congressmen would use the tragic deaths of their constituents for personal political gain,do you?
:yowsa: In a New York second!
-
yymouseWell, the 36% seems credible and would explain just why so many Dem Mayors and Governors are trying to get Trump to take direct action against BLM, in order to get the "racist" optics they need to turn that around.
Great point!
Trump has turned the political side of this issue to his favor in a big way. He's pointing out how poorly these cities have been run by Rat Mayors and how if the Rats have their way no one's street will be safe.
I think a vast majority want to live in peace and want their liberty protected by govt.
-
Great point!
Trump has turned the political side of this issue to his favor in a big way. He's pointing out how poorly these cities have been run by Rat Mayors and how if the Rats have their way no one's street will be safe.
I think a vast majority want to live in peace and want their liberty protected by govt.
Soon as Pres. Trump announced he may change the planned White House venue for accepting the GOP Nomination (After Pelosi's rant)...to Gettysburg Cemetery, in Pennsylvania, CNN tripped over themselves running to the cameras to claim Confederate Flag, Civil Way bullshit.
Nobody seems to know that Gettysburg National Cemetery is a Union Soldier Memorial Park. There are only 42 Confederate soldiers buried there.
-
Soon as Pres. Trump announced he may change the planned White House venue for accepting the GOP Nomination (After Pelosi's rant)...to Gettysburg Cemetery, in Pennsylvania, CNN tripped over themselves running to the cameras to claim Confederate Flag, Civil Way bullshit.
Nobody seems to know that Gettysburg National Cemetery is a Union Soldier Memorial Park. There are only 42 Confederate soldiers buried there.
The Rats don't want Trump accepting his Party's Nomination anywhere.