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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: unknown on September 20, 2016, 04:21:53 am
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George H.W. Bush to vote for Hillary
A Kennedy outs a Bush who favors a Clinton.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/exclusive-george-hw-bush-to-vote-for-hillary-228395
Darren Samuelsohn
09/19/16
Former President George H.W. Bush is bucking his party's presidential nominee and plans to vote for Hillary Clinton in November, according to a member of another famous political family, the Kennedys.
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George H.W. Bush to vote for Hillary
A Kennedy outs a Bush who favors a Clinton.
Darren Samuelsohn
09/19/16
Former President George H.W. Bush is bucking his party's presidential nominee and plans to vote for Hillary Clinton in November, according to a member of another famous political family, the Kennedys.
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Trump: So liberal even a RINO can't vote for him.
Sounds like the ideal campaign slogan.
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Trump: So liberal even a RINO can't vote for him.
Sounds like the ideal campaign slogan.
LOL. Pretty well sums it up.
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I seriously doubt if this is true. He might not vote for Trump and I would not blame him but I'm pretty sure he won't vote for Hillary.
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I seriously doubt if this is true. He might not vote for Trump and I would not blame him but I'm pretty sure he won't vote for Hillary.
Why not? The Bush/Clinton families are close friends by their own admission. Why wouldn't he? The GOP scorned Jeb. No reason he wouldn't.
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The Bushes have never kept it a secret that they do not like Trump and will not support him. Jeb Bush, said back in May that he won’t back Trump but will not be voting for Clinton, either. But don't put all the blame on the Bushes - they like Cruz have been under constant attack by Trump since the beginning. Now is it true that George H.W. Bush is going to vote for Hillary? I have read several related stories and there is no evidence to the fact other than something Bobby Kennedy's daughter said she heard him say - but if he did it would be just another chapter in the craziest ass election in several life times.
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The Bushes have never kept it a secret that they do not like Trump and will not support him. Jeb Bush, said back in May that he won’t back Trump but will not be voting for Clinton, either.
Don't be so sure about Jeb. He did pin a medal on her in front of God and country afterall. Words/actions mean things. Actions more so
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Call me nuts....but I can see W endorsing Hitlary right before the election. It's just a feeling I have.
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Call me nuts....but I can see W endorsing Hitlary right before the election. It's just a feeling I have.
It's a lesser evil ;)
Yes, I can as well. Although I'm not his biggest fan after he gave the dems their way in the war, I think he loves his country. Not enough to back a conservative mind you, but he understands the danger Trump represents. And as bad as Hillary is, Trump has the potential to rally a lot of people in a very bad direction that she does not.
Still the wrong call on his part as long as 1 eligible conservative exists to write in though.
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No link.
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No link.
Between Moochelle Obama away from the WH and sightings of Big Foot increasing? I disagree.
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Why not? The Bush/Clinton families are close friends by their own admission. Why wouldn't he? The GOP scorned Jeb. No reason he wouldn't.
Close friends? That's ridiculous. George W. Bush is a cordial guy who kinda likes people. I'm sure Laura wouldn't give Hillary the time of day.
But this article purports to be about George 41. And he won't vote for Hillary either.
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Close friends? That's ridiculous. George W. Bush is a cordial guy who kinda likes people. I'm sure Laura wouldn't give Hillary the time of day.
But this article purports to be about George 41. And he won't vote for Hillary either.
They sure seem to show up on each other's guest lists. And there's the whole "My brother from another mother" Bromance they have going on.
Words and actions mean things.
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The Bushes and Clintons are very close.
And very dangerous, lots of blood from their wars and the Obama wars.
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Dubya or one of the Bushes said something like "we're like cousins with the Clintons".
Unreal that people don't know this.
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The Bushes have never kept it a secret that they do not like Trump and will not support him. Jeb Bush, said back in May that he won’t back Trump but will not be voting for Clinton, either. But don't put all the blame on the Bushes - they like Cruz have been under constant attack by Trump since the beginning. Now is it true that George H.W. Bush is going to vote for Hillary? I have read several related stories and there is no evidence to the fact other than something Bobby Kennedy's daughter said she heard him say - but if he did it would be just another chapter in the craziest ass election in several life times.
Since when has a Kennedy told the truth. Also since when do we believe the word of a Kennedy?
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Call me nuts....but I can see W endorsing Hitlary right before the election. It's just a feeling I have.
You are nuts
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The Bushes and Clintons are very close.
And very dangerous, lots of blood from their wars and the Obama wars.
Unhinged.
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Trump has certainly done a great job of making friends. Can't wait to see how he does in foreign policy.
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This sickens me 8888crybaby
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This sickens me 8888crybaby
I wouldn't get too upset yet. This is still just a rumor.
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I wouldn't get too upset yet. This is still just a rumor.
It maybe a rumor but it's all over the net now.
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It maybe a rumor but it's all over the net now.
In which case I would expect an official statement from the former president to clarify/reject/confirm. And in this case, silence is probably confirmation.
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In which case I would expect an official statement from the former president to clarify/reject/confirm. And in this case, silence is probably confirmation.
Yep
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This sickens me 8888crybaby
Why? If Trump talked about your son the way he did about Jeb, you'd hate his guts too.
Trump is the most unpopular candidate in the history of the GOP, which is why he's going to lose.
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Yep
Told you so. Not surprised if the entire Bush family issues an endorsement for Clinton. They may wind up campaigning for her. What do we always say? Liberals are Liberals first above everything else.
BTW, for the NeverTrump crowd, this is more proof of what we have been saying all along. The Bush/GOPe would never have endorsed Cruz either. They are and always have been Liberals first.
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Why? If Trump talked about your son the way he did about Jeb, you'd hate his guts too.
Trump is the most unpopular candidate in the history of the GOP, which is why he's going to lose.
That still would not make me vote for a Clinton especially Hillary....I would just keep my shut and stay home.
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That still would not make me vote for a Clinton especially Hillary....I would just keep my shut and stay home.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/exclusive-george-hw-bush-to-vote-for-hillary-22839
The Bushes are part of the oligarchy. They are vested in a strong national government to the detriment of the States.
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Wow....so Bush senior is supporting Hillary. I can't stand Trump, but this would sure have me leaning his direction.
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George H.W. Bush to vote for Hillary
A Kennedy outs a Bush who favors a Clinton.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/exclusive-george-hw-bush-to-vote-for-hillary-228395
Darren Samuelsohn
09/19/16
Former President George H.W. Bush is bucking his party's presidential nominee and plans to vote for Hillary Clinton in November, according to a member of another famous political family, the Kennedys.
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I don't believe a Politico article (liars) that has an unverified source who happens to be from a family of liars and criminals. Let me sum up the entirety of the article, "He is voting Hillary, he told me so!" - Democrat former governor of a blue state and a member of the Kennedy family
I don't see much credibility there.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/exclusive-george-hw-bush-to-vote-for-hillary-22839
The Bushes are part of the oligarchy. They are vested in a strong national government to the detriment of the States.
If you get your boy Trump, you ain't seen nuthin' to compare to the size and power of the federal government he'll usher in.
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If you get your boy Trump, you ain't seen nuthin' to compare to the size and power of the federal government he'll usher in.
Trump is not "my boy" and never has been. I have always supported Cruz who told me to vote my conscience and my conscience tells me to do everything I can to stop the evil, corrupt, lying, medically-compromised she-devil from becoming POTUS.
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I don't believe a Politico article (liars) that has an unverified source who happens to be from a family of liars and criminals. Let me sum up the entirety of the article, "He is voting Hillary, he told me so!" - Democrat former governor of a blue state and a member of the Kennedy family
I don't see much credibility there.
Ditto..
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Let's review.
1) Trump was a jackassed bully at the early debates, repeatedly interrupting Jeb and telling him to "shush" among other things.
2) Trump retweeted the following: @RobHeilbron: @realDonaldTrump #JebBush has to like the Mexican Illegals because of his wife
3) Approximately two hours after Scalia died, and the party was ready to unify around a candidate, Trump accused W of lying about weapons of mass destruction, to get us into Iraq.
The trumpkin "binary choice" mantra backfired here. I don't blame HW Bush for preferring Hillary, not one bit.
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In which case I would expect an official statement from the former president to clarify/reject/confirm. And in this case, silence is probably confirmation.
Right. He wouldn't even have to say who he is voting for. All he's have to say is "I did not tell Ms. Kennedy who I was voting for - she apparently misunderstood that conversation". But silence....
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Let's review.
1) Trump was a jackassed bully at the early debates, repeatedly interrupting Jeb and telling him to "shush" among other things.
2) Trump retweeted the following: @RobHeilbron: @realDonaldTrump #JebBush has to like the Mexican Illegals because of his wife
3) About two hours after Scalia died, and the party was ready to unify around a candidate, Trump accused W of lying about weapons of mass destruction, to get us into Iraq.
The trumpkin mantra about "binary choice" backfired here. I don't blame HW Bush for preferring Hillary not voting for president, not one bit.
Fixed it for you.
If he votes for Hillary, he's a worse president than I ever dreamed.
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Let's review.
1) Trump was a jackassed bully at the early debates, repeatedly interrupting Jeb and telling him to "shush" among other things.
2) Trump retweeted the following: @RobHeilbron: @realDonaldTrump #JebBush has to like the Mexican Illegals because of his wife
3) Approximately two hours after Scalia died, and the party was ready to unify around a candidate, Trump accused W of lying about weapons of mass destruction, to get us into Iraq.
The trumpkin "binary choice" mantra backfired here. I don't blame HW Bush for preferring Hillary, not one bit.
That doesn't reflect well on the Bushes -- letting personal pique and hurt feelings determine who should lead the country. Jeb and his dad are Judge Smails, and Trump is Rodney Dangerfield. It's compounded by the fact that Jeb is the guy who was supposed to be the quarterback of the football team, and his dad doesn't like the kid who go the job instead.
I get not voting for Trump. But voting for Hillary is either personal pique, or the Smails/Dangerfield factor, where "the dignity of the office" is the most important consideration.
I'd point out that Rubio seems to get the idea that Trump being a uncouth braggart is less relevant than Hillary's policies, and I think it's pretty clear that Cruz is going to vote for Trump but not endorse him publicly, which I think is a very honorable course.
For the Bushes to make it about the fact that Trump was rude to them is disappointing. The reality is that the importance of Trump's rudeness dissipates, but the policies supported by Hillary won't.
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Let's review.
1) Trump was a jackassed bully at the early debates, repeatedly interrupting Jeb and telling him to "shush" among other things.
2) Trump retweeted the following: @RobHeilbron: @realDonaldTrump #JebBush has to like the Mexican Illegals because of his wife
3) Approximately two hours after Scalia died, and the party was ready to unify around a candidate, Trump accused W of lying about weapons of mass destruction, to get us into Iraq.
The trumpkin "binary choice" mantra backfired here. I don't blame HW Bush for preferring Hillary, not one bit.
I wouldn't blame him either.. To me I'm getting sick of the Bush bashing.
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I don't believe a Politico article (liars) that has an unverified source who happens to be from a family of liars and criminals. Let me sum up the entirety of the article, "He is voting Hillary, he told me so!" - Democrat former governor of a blue state and a member of the Kennedy family
I don't see much credibility there.
Same here. No link, no confirmation from HW himself, no proof.
Edited to add: HW is well over 90 now, and perhaps not reliable. When Phyllis Schlafly foolishly endorsed Trump before she died, I dismissed it because at her age. She clearly was not thinking as a Conservative in supporting a leftist.
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I hate George HW Bush. That F***ing @$$hole *GAVE* us Bill Clinton and stabbed us in the back.
All the damage caused by Bill Clinton, such as a Nuclear North Korea, Not grabbing Bin Laden, the housing crises financial meltdown, the shoot down of Flight 800, numerous Kook-bat Supreme court and federal judges, all of these disasters can be laid at the feet of that Pantywaiste, Elite, Limousine Liberal, Rockefeller Republican, RINO, George Herbert Milquetoast Walker Bush.
The nation is worse for having that fool as a President. He is the worst Mistake Ronald Reagan ever made.
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I wouldn't blame him either.. To me I'm getting sick of the Bush bashing.
You don't like Bush Bashing? Why not? That @$$hole will never be bashed to the degree that he deserves. That F***ing LIAR is what has wrecked the destiny of the nation, and wrecked the conservative movement with his malfeasance.
All the disasters that encompassed the terms of Bill Clinton are the consequence of Milquetoast namby pamby George, breaking his word.
The World is a worse place for Herbert having been President.
The very day I heard Bush was going to break his word, I screamed at the Radio. "MY GOD! YOU FOOL! DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT WILL RESULT FROM THIS? "
Apparently idiot George did not, and it came as quite a surprise to him that the Democrats once more played him for a dupe, and the public was thereafter sick of him.
May his name be remembered only for his treachery.
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You don't like Bush Bashing? Why not? That @$$hole will never be bashed to the degree that he deserves. That F***ing LIAR is what has wrecked the destiny of the nation, and wrecked the conservative movement with his malfeasance.
All the disasters that encompassed the terms of Bill Clinton are the consequence of Milquetoast namby pamby George, breaking his word.
The World is a worse place for Herbert having been President.
The very day I heard Bush was going to break his word, I screamed at the Radio. "MY GOD! YOU FOOL! DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT WILL RESULT FROM THIS? "
Apparently idiot George did not, and it came as quite a surprise to him that the Democrats once more played him for a dupe, and the public was thereafter sick of him.
May his name be remembered only for his treachery.
Your an a**hole yourself....
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George H.W. Bush is now officially out.
As is the entire gopE. Nothing new here. The globalist neocons both in public politics and the kind of fools that support them like those found on this bulletin board have been known for what they are for decades.
George W. and Jeb are just like their father, in case those here with absolutely less than a zero clue want to know.
The Republicans have been being PUNKED for so long, they no longer are able to know when they are being PUNKED.
Incredibly hilarious.
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BTW, for the NeverTrump crowd, this is more proof of what we have been saying all along. The Bush/GOPe would never have endorsed Cruz either. They are and always have been Liberals first.
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This forum is known for being a 'Bush' refuge. For good reason.
Birds (and vultures) of a feather.
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Right. He wouldn't even have to say who he is voting for. All he's have to say is "I did not tell Ms. Kennedy who I was voting for - she apparently misunderstood that conversation". But silence....
Apparently the former president's spokesman has said that the GHWB's vote is private and has not/will not be discussed going into the election.
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That doesn't reflect well on the Bushes -- letting personal pique and hurt feelings determine who should lead the country. Jeb and his dad are Judge Smails, and Trump is Rodney Dangerfield. It's compounded by the fact that Jeb is the guy who was supposed to be the quarterback of the football team, and his dad doesn't like the kid who go the job instead.
I get not voting for Trump. But voting for Hillary is either personal pique, or the Smails/Dangerfield factor, where "the dignity of the office" is the most important consideration.
I'd point out that Rubio seems to get the idea that Trump being a uncouth braggart is less relevant than Hillary's policies, and I think it's pretty clear that Cruz is going to vote for Trump but not endorse him publicly, which I think is a very honorable course.
For the Bushes to make it about the fact that Trump was rude to them is disappointing. The reality is that the importance of Trump's rudeness dissipates, but the policies supported by Hillary won't.
Yeb! is Spalding. "100 bucks the Bush kid picks his nose....."
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Apparently the former president's spokesman has said that the GHWB's vote is private and has not/will not be discussed going into the election.
That makes the most sense. Announcing a vote for Hillary seemed bizarre.
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This forum is known for being a 'Bush' refuge. For good reason.
Birds (and vultures) of a feather.
Well, now, that's just weird, "Happy"............ because what I see here is a great deal of criticism for the Bush family, ranging from disagreement to downright hatred (see the unhinged post above).
It seems that everything you say has issues with truthfulness.
Besides which, if this place is so despicable and full of "vultures" then why the heck do you post here??
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That makes the most sense. Announcing a vote for Hillary seemed bizarre.
But according to the story, he didn't "announce" it. He let it slip (after all, he's 93) to someone he saw as a friend, and they announced it.
I'd note that the statement issued by his spokesman does not claim that he never made the statement in question to Ms. Kennedy, which would have been a very easy denial to issue. If it were true.
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Yeb! is Spalding. "100 bucks the Bush kid picks his nose....."
Heh. Yeah, the analogy works all around. I suppose Gary Johnson is Carl Spackler....?
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But according to the story, he didn't "announce" it. He let it slip (after all, he's 93) to someone he saw as a friend, and they announced it.
I'd note that the statement issued by his spokesman does not claim that he never made the statement in question to Ms. Kennedy, which would have been a very easy denial to issue. If it were true.
It still seems like a dubious report from an unreliable source to me.
Maybe I'm one of the few people left who respect GHW as a person, but it makes sense to me that he wouldn't vote for Trump, if only from the Dad perspective of how Trump trashed his son, but also from the gentleman perspective that has to be appalled by Trump's vile nature and unrestrained outbursts of nastiness and personal attacks against anyone who dares disagree with him. It doesn't make sense to me that he would vote for Hillary.
Count me in as a doubter unless this story is backed up by some factual evidence.
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Well, now, that's just weird, "Happy"............ because what I see here is a great deal of criticism for the Bush family, ranging from disagreement to downright hatred (see the unhinged post above).
It seems that everything you say has issues with truthfulness.
Besides which, if this place is so despicable and full of "vultures" then why the heck do you post here??
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Eagles have been known to prey on vultures.
ANY DOUBTS NOW WHAT TRUMP REPRESENTS???
Is there any doubt that we’ve been sold down the river, long ago, by the GOP?
Leave it to the Bushes to jump the divide from, “I’m not going to vote for Trump,” to, “I’m supporting Hillary!”
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Heh. Yeah, the analogy works all around. I suppose Gary Johnson is Carl Spackler....?
Almost. The only one qualified to be Lacy Underall is Carly Fiorina. Not sure about that one.
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Count me in as a doubter unless this story is backed up by some factual evidence.
Well, there was a very explicit, concrete statement by a public figure who claims to have heard it from his own mouth. And despite "a" statement being made, that statement did not include a denial that he had said that to Ms. Kennedy. Why wouldn't the statement have said "the report is not true, and the President will not be announcing who he intends to vote for President."
I just don't know how to get around the lack of a denial, especially given that they went to the effort to make a public statement at all.
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This is exactly what I had come to hate on TOS. Once upon a time we would see an article like this posted and we would research and prove rather it was true or not before anybody got theirselves in a tizzy over it. Now anything on the Internet is quoted and spread like its the gospel truth even among us.
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Almost. The only one qualified to be Lacy Underall is Carly Fiorina. Not sure about that one.
Well, once you assume that only Bill Clinton could be Ty Webb, you can then take his "energizer bunny" or any other bimbo as Lacy, and it works just fine!
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This is exactly what I had come to hate on TOS. Once upon a time we would see an article like this posted and we would research and prove rather it was true or not before anybody got theirselves in a tizzy over it. Now anything on the Internet is quoted and spread like its the gospel truth even among us.
How, exactly, is this supposed to be "researched and proven"?
I think the best thing to do before evaluating stories like this is to wait until both sides have been heard. Isn't that's exactly what happened?
We had Ms. Kennedy come out and give her side of the story. True or not? Who knows? Let's hear from the other side....
Then a spokesman for GHWB came out and make a statement in response. Problem is, the statement made it response conspicuously avoids addressing the statement to which it is supposedly responding. It's the classic non-denial denial. I truly don't know any other rational way to read that except to conclude that Ms. Kennedy accurately reported what the President said. Why other plausible explanation is there for them to not include a specific denial of her statement when they made their statement?
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Eagles have been known to prey on vultures.
ANY DOUBTS NOW WHAT TRUMP REPRESENTS???
Is there any doubt that we’ve been sold down the river, long ago, by the GOP?
Leave it to the Bushes to jump the divide from, “I’m not going to vote for Trump,” to, “I’m supporting Hillary!”
Well, I know what Trump doesn't represent. He doesn't have anything in common with Jesus... OR an eagle. And no one on this forum who opposes Trump is a "vulture."
In truth, those of us who are actually upset at the GOPe, are the ones who don't like the close alliance between establishment GOP and establishment Trump. Your guy IS the system, and the GOP cartel LOVES him.
But go on dreaming that Trump is anything but a corrupt, debauched used-car salesman, and dream on about how he's going to make the sea-levels go down, and everyone, everywhere will bow down and worship him.
(You're not the first group of leftists to believe in the super-powers of your idol. Mmmm mmmmm mmmmmm.........)
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Maybe I'm one of the few people left who respect GHW as a person
Nope. I'm with you. I consider him a man of integrity, character, and grace and wish we had more like him.
Politics and political service is so nasty these days that good men risk ruin of reputation if they run. Cruz is but one example.
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Nope. I'm with you. I consider him a man of integrity, character, and grace and wish we had more like him.
Politics and political service is so nasty these days that good men risk ruin of reputation if they run. Cruz is but one example.
Well, that makes two of us! At least I'm not ALL alone! :patriot:
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That doesn't reflect well on the Bushes -- letting personal pique and hurt feelings determine who should lead the country. Jeb and his dad are Judge Smails, and Trump is Rodney Dangerfield. It's compounded by the fact that Jeb is the guy who was supposed to be the quarterback of the football team, and his dad doesn't like the kid who go the job instead.
I get not voting for Trump. But voting for Hillary is either personal pique, or the Smails/Dangerfield factor, where "the dignity of the office" is the most important consideration.
I'd point out that Rubio seems to get the idea that Trump being a uncouth braggart is less relevant than Hillary's policies, and I think it's pretty clear that Cruz is going to vote for Trump but not endorse him publicly, which I think is a very honorable course.
For the Bushes to make it about the fact that Trump was rude to them is disappointing. The reality is that the importance of Trump's rudeness dissipates, but the policies supported by Hillary won't.
You just described #NeverTrump. Anyway, that's the way I see it.
A minor number of Republicans were hurt that Raphael lost and that Mr. Trump won. They've let their anger fester and now their thinking is clouded by grief over their loss. Hence, #NeverTrump.
Unfortunately, rational decision making is difficult under those conditions and may lead some to come down on the wrong side of history.
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Well, I know what Trump doesn't represent. He doesn't have anything in common with Jesus... OR an eagle. And no one on this forum who opposes Trump is a "vulture."
In truth, those of us who are actually upset at the GOPe, are the ones who don't like the close alliance between establishment GOP and establishment Trump. Your guy IS the system, and the GOP cartel LOVES him.
But go on dreaming that Trump is anything but a corrupt, debauched used-car salesman, and dream on about how he's going to make the sea-levels go down, and everyone, everywhere will bow down and worship him.
(You're not the first group of leftists to believe in the super-powers of your idol. Mmmm mmmmm mmmmmm.........)
Eagles hate Trump.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7_OWYrLVOU
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I truly don't know any other rational way to read that except to conclude that Ms. Kennedy accurately reported what the President said.
Well, you could just take the Bush spokesman at their word. It's entirely possible that they meant just what they said, even in this treacherous world.
I routinely tell people that we have a secret ballot in this country, and that my vote is my business. That statement is neither a confirmation nor a denial of support for any candidate, but rather a nod to our political heritage. I respect others who do the same.
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George H.W. Bush to vote for Hillary
A Kennedy outs a Bush who favors a Clinton.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/exclusive-george-hw-bush-to-vote-for-hillary-228395
Darren Samuelsohn
09/19/16
Former President George H.W. Bush is bucking his party's presidential nominee and plans to vote for Hillary Clinton in November, according to a member of another famous political family, the Kennedys.
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And just how, exactly, would the Kennedys (ANY Kennedy) know who HW Bush was going to vote for? Puhleeeze!
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And just how, exactly, would the Kennedys (ANY Kennedy) know who HW Bush was going to vote for? Puhleeeze!
Wasn't one married to Arnold Schwartzenegger?
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Maybe I'm one of the few people left who respect GHW as a person,
Nope, you are not alone.
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For the Bushes to make it about the fact that Trump was rude to them is disappointing.
It's a leap to assume that the Bushes don't like Trump because he is rude to them. The Bushes are not political novices. They've had insults painted upon them in layers over the years.
If indeed they do not vote for Trump, it's much more likely that they consider him too ignorant and unqualified for the office. And that is something they would know.
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It still seems like a dubious report from an unreliable source to me.
Maybe I'm one of the few people left who respect GHW as a person, but it makes sense to me that he wouldn't vote for Trump, if only from the Dad perspective of how Trump trashed his son, but also from the gentleman perspective that has to be appalled by Trump's vile nature and unrestrained outbursts of nastiness and personal attacks against anyone who dares disagree with him. It doesn't make sense to me that he would vote for Hillary.
Count me in as a doubter unless this story is backed up by some factual evidence.
I don't believe it's as 'few' as you think. The Bushes (all of them) were decent people and good leaders. They were honest and patriotic and family centered. I still love W... he goes to Ranger's games. He's a really nice guy.
It's become fashionable lately to trash the Bushes ... probably started by Trump. Well, definitely started by Trump and fueled by people who did not want Jeb. I didn't want Jeb either but I'd walk over broken glass barefoot to vote for him today.
A lot of people made the mistake of wanting perfect and ending up with Trump. How sad is that?
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You just described #NeverTrump. Anyway, that's the way I see it.
A minor number of Republicans were hurt that Raphael lost and that Mr. Trump won. They've let their anger fester and now their thinking is clouded by grief over their loss. Hence, #NeverTrump.
Unfortunately, rational decision making is difficult under those conditions and may lead some to come down on the wrong side of history.
I never supported Cruz. No, my issue with Trump extends to his demeanor, behavior, and ignorance. I opposed him from the day he announced and, if anything, am more adamant now that he is dangerous for the country.
I'm completely rational, which is why I refuse to support Trump or Hillary.
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Apparently the former president's spokesman has said that the GHWB's vote is private and has not/will not be discussed going into the election.
The Namby Pamby weeinie doesn't even have the guts to live up to his own position. This man is about the worst surrender monkey we have ever had in the Republican Party.
Hello George? If you were going to support your party's nominee, you would say so.
He's as out of touch with this transparent nonsense as he has always been with his love and adoration of Democrats.
Yes George, we know you are going to vote for Hillary. We know what you are despite your efforts to
conceal it.
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I don't believe it's as 'few' as you think. The Bushes (all of them) were decent people and good leaders. They were honest and patriotic and family centered. I still love W... he goes to Ranger's games. He's a really nice guy.
It's become fashionable lately to trash the Bushes ... probably started by Trump. Well, definitely started by Trump and fueled by people who did not want Jeb. I didn't want Jeb either but I'd walk over broken glass barefoot to vote for him today.
A lot of people made the mistake of wanting perfect and ending up with Trump. How sad is that?
Well Bush bashing started in 1992 when a bunch crybabies voted for Perot, then it died until 2000 when left bashed GW and then after the 04 election the fringe right started the pile on.
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You just described #NeverTrump. Anyway, that's the way I see it.
A minor number of Republicans were hurt that Raphael lost and that Mr. Trump won. They've let their anger fester and now their thinking is clouded by grief over their loss. Hence, #NeverTrump.
Unfortunately, rational decision making is difficult under those conditions and may lead some to come down on the wrong side of history.
Your continued use of the name Rafael is proof that the Good Guy is still inhabiting your brain cells. Ted Cruz has nothing to do with the fact that Nevertrumpers think trump is all that is wrong with America. You cannot deny that trump is a serial adulterer. He is. And he bragged about bedding other men's wives. Watch some of the sickening Howard Stern interviews.
You cannot deny that Trump is a terrible businessman. He's not increased his inherited wealth. He sues people; he declares bankruptcy many times leaving his creditors holding the bag. He cheats people, especially little people.
You cannot deny that Trump is a mean, barely literate man with no impulse control. A man who worships himself and abuses others.
So ... you resort to feeble lies about Ted Cruz. Save that for somebody who gives a rat's ass.
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I seriously doubt if this is true. He might not vote for Trump and I would not blame him but I'm pretty sure he won't vote for Hillary.
@Emjay
I believe he would vote for Clinton with absolute glee and would vote twice for her if he could, as every vote he made would be a fist to the face of Trump. He must have pent up emotion against what Trump did to Jeb, so smash him by voting for Clinton.
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Eagles hate Trump.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7_OWYrLVOU
LOL! Smart eagle!
Don't you love how Trump, at the end says, "I love TIME Magazine."
Yeah.......... all us Conservative Republicans love TIME Magazine, don't we?? :pondering:
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Nope, you are not alone.
Good to know.
I was prepared to get my head chopped off after I said that......
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Your an a**hole yourself....
Maybe so, but everything I said about George Herbert Walker "born with a silver foot in his mouth" Bush was absolutely true.
We owe that man for the degradation of our nation and our society. It is *HIS* fault that we had to suffer under that human garbage known as Bill Clinton.
All Herbert had to do was keep his F***ing word. That's it. The fate of the world was changed by his broken promise.
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I don't believe it's as 'few' as you think. The Bushes (all of them) were decent people and good leaders. They were honest and patriotic and family centered. I still love W... he goes to Ranger's games. He's a really nice guy.
It's become fashionable lately to trash the Bushes ... probably started by Trump. Well, definitely started by Trump and fueled by people who did not want Jeb. I didn't want Jeb either but I'd walk over broken glass barefoot to vote for him today.
A lot of people made the mistake of wanting perfect and ending up with Trump. How sad is that?
I've never been particularly interested in being "fashionable." Never had a need to be in the "in crowd."
That's why I stuck my conservative head out here and said I respected HW. And I DO.
If Trump were half the man either Bush was, he'd be respectable too. We could use some honor about now.
Instead we have an ignorant, debauched, corrupt, vile little leftist.
I see very little hope for the future of the country.
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I haven't given a crap about Bush Sr. since the NWO "thousand points of light"
Jeb and the rest of the Bush family need to put on their big girl panties.
'cept George P. ...
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Nope. I'm with you. I consider him a man of integrity, character, and grace and wish we had more like him.
Politics and political service is so nasty these days that good men risk ruin of reputation if they run. Cruz is but one example.
Backstabbing liars who wrecked the future of their country? Why on earth would we ever want any more of those?
People don't get it. By breaking his word, Bush altered the fate of the world in a very bad way. That was a nexus point of history, and Bush chose the wrong direction.
He handed the election to Clinton with that one broken promise, and it undid all the good he had ever accomplished in his lifetime.
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Maybe so, but everything I said about George Herbert Walker "born with a silver foot in his mouth" Bush was absolutely true.
We owe that man for the degradation of our nation and our society. It is *HIS* fault that we had to suffer under that human garbage known as Bill Clinton.
All Herbert had to do was keep his F***ing word. That's it. The fate of the world was changed by his broken promise.
All you Bush haters seem to quote Ann Richards.
Wonder what that means, and who you look up to? :pondering:
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This is exactly what I had come to hate on TOS. Once upon a time we would see an article like this posted and we would research and prove rather it was true or not before anybody got theirselves in a tizzy over it. Now anything on the Internet is quoted and spread like its the gospel truth even among us.
It has been confirmed as true by Herbert taking the fifth amendment.
Only the guilty will invoke "Privacy" in regards to not supporting their party's candidate.
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All you Bush haters seem to quote Ann Richards.
Wonder what that means, and who you look up to? :pondering:
Ann Richards.....another typical leftist Democrat. The only ones that look up to her are other typical leftist Democrats.
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Well, you could just take the Bush spokesman at their word. It's entirely possible that they meant just what they said, even in this treacherous world.
I routinely tell people that we have a secret ballot in this country, and that my vote is my business. That statement is neither a confirmation nor a denial of support for any candidate, but rather a nod to our political heritage. I respect others who do the same.
When you "take the fifth" you are effectively admitting guilt.
Bush always did treat us as if we were stupid.
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Well, you could just take the Bush spokesman at their word. It's entirely possible that they meant just what they said, even in this treacherous world.
But I am taking them at their word. Here's exactly what was said:
“The vote President Bush will cast as a private citizen in some 50 days will be just that: a private vote cast in some 50 days,” a spokesman for Bush told ABC News. “He is not commenting on the presidential race in the interim.”
So "taking them at their word", he is going to vote in 50 days, and will not comment on the Presidential race in the interim". Great -- I accept that as completely true.
But taking all of that as completely true does not address Kennedy Townsend's statement that he told her he was voting for Hillary, which was the entire impetus for the spokesman to make a statement at all it. It is not a denial. So again, if the point was to set the record straight, why not say that the story is not true, and that he did not tell her that he was voting for Hillary?
I routinely tell people that we have a secret ballot in this country, and that my vote is my business. That statement is neither a confirmation nor a denial of support for any candidate, but rather a nod to our political heritage. I respect others who do the same.
Great. But if you were a public figure, and another public figure falsely stated that you had said "I'm voting for Trump", wouldn't you want to deny that statement so that the lie doesn't remain unchallenged?
Again, I don't expect him to deny that he's voting for Hillary. But I would expect him to deny that he told a prominent public person that he's voting for her. In other words -- make the point you're making right now.
"The President did not tell Ms. Townsend that he is voting for Ms. Clinton, and who he actually intends to vote for is something he prefers to keep private."
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It's a leap to assume that the Bushes don't like Trump because he is rude to them. The Bushes are not political novices. They've had insults painted upon them in layers over the years.
And we know this because of how easily Bush won his second term instead of losing to a smarmy, corrupt, Lying, drug smoking, communist. draft dodging coward rapist. Yeah, ole Herbert sure is a master of politics.
If indeed they do not vote for Trump, it's much more likely that they consider him too ignorant and unqualified for the office. And that is something they would know.
Compared to NAZI-FREAKIN-CLINTON? That's like saying Joseph Stalin (Mass murderer) has more executive experience than Nelson Mandela. It completely misses the point that the "experience" and "knowledge" are all exactly wrong.
But this is the sort of thing I have come to expect from the Rockefeller wing of the Party.
You can throw a dart at a phone book and find a less horrible candidate than Hillary.
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Maybe so, but everything I said about George Herbert Walker "born with a silver foot in his mouth" Bush was absolutely true.
We owe that man for the degradation of our nation and our society. It is *HIS* fault that we had to suffer under that human garbage known as Bill Clinton.
All Herbert had to do was keep his F***ing word. That's it. The fate of the world was changed by his broken promise.
Right, by having a**holes like you voting for Ross Perot....
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All you Bush haters seem to quote Ann Richards.
Wonder what that means, and who you look up to? :pondering:
Ann Richards. She used to drink breakfast with Molly Ivins and then they'd drink lunch. What a horrible lady and her daughter carries on her legacy.
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When I lived in Baltimore I used to work a side job doing admin support for a not-for-profit org. Basically it was an org promoting the idea of women breaking the glass ceiling in business and getting on more corporate boards, mentoring young business women, yada, yada, yada. A lot of the members were themselves female corporate executives, business owners, attorneys - many of them partners in big Baltimore or DC area firms, a few State and a few Federal judges, a few politicians - a pretty “well heeled” group of women.
Although some of the org’s members I worked with over the years were real PITA’s, some were great and for me, it was a great networking opportunity and a resume enhancer in addition to the additional income. (Nothing like having a CEO of one Baltimore’s biggest companies, an editor of the Baltimore Business Journal and a former (Republican) Congress Woman as professional references).
Every year they held a big luncheon and that’s when I did the most work; preparing and mailing out invitations, tracking reservations in a database I developed for that purpose, some years even doing the bank deposits of checks I picked up from the PO box, helping with the table assignments, reaching out to the corporate sponsors to get their guest list, creating and printing the guest lists and printing name badges, overseeing the registration tables and the volunteers and dealing with any last minute problems and dealing with the VIP guests.
And these were pretty big events and they had some very high profile speakers over the year I worked for them, including, Lea Rabin, Jehan Sadat, Coretta Scott King, Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Madeleine K. Albright, and my favorite – former Prime Minister, Lady Margaret Thatcher.
It was at the Thatcher event where I encountered Kathleen Kennedy Townsend when she was serving as Lieutenant Governor of Maryland (she was a VIP guest and not a member of the org).
Prior to the event, I already had an impression of Kathleen Kennedy Townsend and my brief encounter with her only confirmed it – she was dumber than a box of hair, and nasty to boot.
It was just before Lady Thatcher was about to speak; I was standing in the back of the room, making sure any late attendees quickly found their seats, and KKT who had already been seated, came up to me to ask me where the ladies room was. I gave her directions – something like “go through the double doors and go right, then at the corridor, go left, you will see the rest rooms to your right”, and she just stood there looking at me with a blank stare as if this was way too complicated for her to comprehend and I ended up having to walk her to it. She actually demanded that I do so and actually saying to me at one point - “Don’t you know who I am? I am the Lieutenant Governor!”
She also had a plain clothed State Police security escort with her and while she went into the lady’s room, he went into the men’s room, but before he did, he politely asked me to stay outside the lady’s room in case KKT came back out before he did. When KKT came out and she didn’t see her State Police security escort, she panicked. She basically walked around in circles and kept calling (actually yelling) out his name over and over again and then asking me if I had seen where he went, asking me to page the hotel security.
I told her that he went to the men’s room and would be right back out and she went ballistic (sorry, perhaps “ballistic” is a poor choice of words when it comes to a Kennedy). :silly:
But I recall saying to her: “Well, when you got to go, you’ve got to go”.
When he came out of the men’s room, she yelled at him and admonished him for not standing outside the door of the lady’s room to wait for her to come out, saying; “I can never, never, ever be left alone and unguarded, NEVER!!! - you m-f-ing idiot!!!”
OK, perhaps he broke protocol, but never mind the fact that the security for this event, being that Lady Thatcher was the guest speaker was already extremely high.
And I knew this all too well because I had to provide the final guest list to Lady’s Thatcher’s Scotland Yard detail several days in advance and even had to submit my personal information for them to perform a background check on me (and I think the US Secret Service was also involved) and I also had to show up several hours before the luncheon to go over their security requirements for screening or alerting them to any suspicious persons, anyone trying to get in who wasn’t on the guest list, and also facilitated and worked with the hotel’s security staff to work with Scotland Yard on their sweeping the area with bomb sniffing dogs and setting up metal detectors.
And the poor MD state Police escort; as he walked away from me with KKT storming off in front of him, he looked back at me and mouthed “I’m sorry” and then rolled his eyes.
I can only imagine that working on Hillary’s SS detail could possibly be a worse assignment.
I wouldn’t trust this woman as far as I could throw her nor would I assume anything she says is true.
Just saying.
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Right, by having a**holes like you voting for Ross Perot....
You should probably ease up on the names.
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Right, by having a**holes like you voting for Ross Perot....
Total Amen to that. It was Ross Perot that cost us that election not anything that George H.W. Bush said or did.
H. Ross Perot was a saner forerunner to trump. He was bombastic and attacked the things people hated. And his voters were as stupid as trump voters. THEY GAVE us the Clinton dynasty. Right after the election I saw a man in Sears wearing a t-shirt that said "Don't blame me... I voted for Perot."
A true Perot voter ... proud of his own stupidity. If that gentleman is alive today, he is probably firmly in the trump camp and proud of it.
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Ann Richards. She used to drink breakfast with Molly Ivins and then they'd drink lunch. What a horrible lady and her daughter carries on her legacy.
Maybe an even worse legacy, if that's possible....
Planned Parenthood is the most evil organization in the country.
Oh, and btw, Donald Trump thinks they're just great. **nononono*
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Maybe an even worse legacy, if that's possible....
Planned Parenthood is the most evil organization in the country.
Oh, and btw, Donald Trump thinks they're just great. **nononono*
Absolutely correct. Cecile Richards (if that's her name) boasts of her 'industry' and makes tons of money off of it. Where is the place in hell for people who make a fortunate off of killing the innocent?
And Trump thinks PP does great things for women.
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It has been confirmed as true by Herbert taking the fifth amendment.
I could understand that argument if he'd actual remained silent. But that's not what happened. He actually had a spokesman come out and make a statement. It's just that the statement did not include a denial of the underlying claim that prompted them to make a statement in the first place.
That's what makes it so odd. Remain silent, or deny. But to not remain silent and not deny....huh?
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You just described #NeverTrump. Anyway, that's the way I see it.
A minor number of Republicans were hurt that Raphael lost and that Mr. Trump won. They've let their anger fester and now their thinking is clouded by grief over their loss. Hence, #NeverTrump.
Unfortunately, rational decision making is difficult under those conditions and may lead some to come down on the wrong side of history.
I've come to the conclusion that you aren't worth the effort of a reply.
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I seriously doubt if this is true. He might not vote for Trump and I would not blame him but I'm pretty sure he won't vote for Hillary.
I don't believe it either. It's totally in the realm of possibility this Kennedy Townsend broad is lying through her teeth to embarrass the Bushes.
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All you Bush haters seem to quote Ann Richards.
The reason it stung is because it was obvious for everyone to see. Bush Sr, born to Connecticut Elite Royalty, (Senator "Prescott Bush") lived a life of wealth and privilege to the extent that he had no touch with the common man.
He was always putting his foot in his elite Limousine Liberal mouth.
Wonder what that means, and who you look up to? :pondering:
What it means is that "Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile." Ann Richards got this one right.
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Right, by having a**holes like you voting for Ross Perot....
I did not vote for Ross Perot. As a matter of fact, once I realized how horrible was Bill Clinton, I went to Republican campaign headquarters and volunteered to walk the precincts on behalf of George Herbert Walker Bush. I contributed much money and worked hard campaigning for that @$$wipe, and for that I think I shall forever resent that stupid @$$ for losing. (But he won my state handily.)
But since you bring up Ross Perot, we have exactly the same situation now. We have a disgusting, corrupt, lying immoral Clinton on the ballot, and we have people talking about voting for some third party candidate who does not have a hope in H3ll of winning.
Are you suggesting that these modern day "Ross Perot Voters" are @$$holes who should be blamed if a Clinton wins?
If I held my nose to vote for Herbert Bush, then people ought to be able to hold their nose and vote against Clinton.
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Total Amen to that. It was Ross Perot that cost us that election not anything that George H.W. Bush said or did.
No. Vehemently no! George Herbert Walker Bush singlehandedly created the Ross Perot Candidacy. Had that STUPID @$$ not broken his word, there never would have been a Ross Perot candidacy.
Bush lost the election because he lied, and because he lied, he could not call that pathological Liar named "Bill Clinton" a "Liar."
Bush threw away the character issue, and didn't get a D@mn thing in return for his blunder. Nope, the Democrats with whom he made the deal to break his promise didn't keep their end of the bargain.
Dumbo Herbert got pantsed by the Democrats just as everyone predicted he would if he was so stupid as to try to make a "deal" with them.
Bush's problem is that he thought they were his friends. He probably still believes that.
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I could understand that argument if he'd actual remained silent. But that's not what happened. He actually had a spokesman come out and make a statement. It's just that the statement did not include a denial of the underlying claim that prompted them to make a statement in the first place.
That's what makes it so odd. Remain silent, or deny. But to not remain silent and not deny....huh?
I was using "taking the fifth" as a metaphor for what he did. Yes, when you speak up, but do not affirm what an innocent man would say, you are tacitly admitting guilt.
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I was using "taking the fifth" as a metaphor for what he did. Yes, when you speak up, but do not affirm what an innocent man would say, you are tacitly admitting guilt.
Almost all the Bushes are politicians, so they'll say all sorts of smarmy things. I can't really use the normal rules to discern lies.
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I don't care much for Bush Sr., he's the one that drafted NAFTA and was signed into law by Billy Bob Clinton. Let's see we had Bush Sr., Clinton, 'W', Bammie and they are trying to put in another Bush or Clinton. The Washington cartel is in full swing. I still think Trump was put into this mess to make certain that Cruz and the conservative movement was taken out. Only thing now, Clinton's health seems to be failing ... enter Tim Kaine .... I would love to know why he was chosen. +
As for 'W'. No, I didn't like his stance on illegal immigration and he should have had that wall built; it was during his tenure that the Secure Fence Act was voted on and approved. However ... he made numerous trips to support our troops. I think he did a great job his first term ... his second term ... we had a DEM Senate and House.
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I don't care much for Bush Sr., he's the one that drafted NAFTA and was signed into law by Billy Bob Clinton. Let's see we had Bush Sr., Clinton, 'W', Bammie and they are trying to put in another Bush or Clinton. The Washington cartel is in full swing. I still think Trump was put into this mess to make certain that Cruz and the conservative movement was taken out. Only thing now, Clinton's health seems to be failing ... enter Tim Kaine .... I would love to know why he was chosen. +
As for 'W'. No, I didn't like his stance on illegal immigration and he should have had that wall built; it was during his tenure that the Secure Fence Act was voted on and approved. However ... he made numerous trips to support our troops. I think he did a great job his first term ... his second term ... we had a DEM Senate and House.
I do not have any active dislike for Bush W. He made some very bad mistakes, but he never did anything as horrible as what his father did.
I think Bush W was rather sensible as compared to his father.
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Right, by having a**holes like you voting for Ross Perot....
Insulting other members is considered bad form, dude. What do you care what an anonymous poster has to say? It's only his opinion. Everyone's got one.
Unless someone personally get in my face, it doesn't matter to me what an anonymous person thinks. I routinely ignore other opinions, including yours.
It's just that, we have certain decorum rules about insulting names thrown around at other members.
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Absolutely correct. Cecile Richards (if that's her name) boasts of her 'industry' and makes tons of money off of it. Where is the place in hell for people who make a fortunate off of killing the innocent?
And Trump thinks PP does great things for women.
That's her name, and from what I've heard from her, she's demonic. She's taken her mother's evil and one-upped it.
And anyone who is so STUPID as to think PP is a good organization certainly doesn't deserve to be President.
PP is ugly, vile, murderous and anyone who thinks the "good" it does outweighs the evil has no conscience.
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The reason it stung is because it was obvious for everyone to see. Bush Sr, born to Connecticut Elite Royalty, (Senator "Prescott Bush") lived a life of wealth and privilege to the extent that he had no touch with the common man.
He was always putting his foot in his elite Limousine Liberal mouth.
What it means is that "Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile." Ann Richards got this one right.
I'm one of those crazy Conservatives who doesn't think that having money makes one evil (That's kinda liberal of you, isn't it?)
Or is it just jealousy? I'm not jealous of wealthy people either, so I have no idea why you have such a problem with wealth.
At any rate, quoting Ann Richards makes one suspect in my book. Always has, always will.
She was an ugly liberal, and her views repugnant. I wouldn't quote her on anything.
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Since the Bush Crime Family are nothing more than Ct Yankee carpetbaggers that moved to Texas because all the political graft positions were already filled in the northeast,this should come as a surprise to no one.
Doesn't Babs call Bubba "The son I never had."?
I would say they are thicker than thieves,but they are thieves.
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Trump: So liberal even a RINO can't vote for him.
Sounds like the ideal campaign slogan.
@Norm Lenhart
That has nothing to do with it. Popply is steamed because one of his retarded sons is now out of the graft machine thanks to Trump. JEB is now likely to just wander around and get lost.
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Call me nuts....but I can see W endorsing Hitlary right before the election. It's just a feeling I have.
@Frank Cannon
He will if his mommy and his wife tell him to do that.
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Close friends? That's ridiculous. George W. Bush is a cordial guy who kinda likes people. I'm sure Laura wouldn't give Hillary the time of day.
But this article purports to be about George 41. And he won't vote for Hillary either.
You must have been living in a cave or in FR (same thing) the last several years if you seriously believe that. Hell,Poppy and Bubba are even golfing buddies,and Babs has called Bubba "the son I never had."
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Since when has a Kennedy told the truth. Also since when do we believe the word of a Kennedy?
@kevindavis
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Given that she is a Kennedy,chances are it is 100 percent true and she just forgot she wasn't supposed to tell anyone.
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Trump has certainly done a great job of making friends. Can't wait to see how he does in foreign policy.
@Just_Victor
Don't worry about it,you probably will if Trump becomes president.
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Ditto..
@kevindavis
Admit it,you miss FR,don't you? It was nice and safe over there with Jim Bob telling you all what to think,and making sure that never a discouraging word was heard.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
You have GOT to be kidding. Even Satan won't socialize with the Bush Crime Family because he knows his reputation would take a hit.
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I hate George HW Bush. That F***ing @$$hole *GAVE* us Bill Clinton and stabbed us in the back.
All the damage caused by Bill Clinton, such as a Nuclear North Korea, Not grabbing Bin Laden, the housing crises financial meltdown, the shoot down of Flight 800, numerous Kook-bat Supreme court and federal judges, all of these disasters can be laid at the feet of that Pantywaiste, Elite, Limousine Liberal, Rockefeller Republican, RINO, George Herbert Milquetoast Walker Bush.
The nation is worse for having that fool as a President. He is the worst Mistake Ronald Reagan ever made.
@DiogenesLamp
AT LAST! Someone else understands what happened!
BTW,Reagan was forced to take Poppy as his running mate by the RINO's (then know as The Country Club Republicans) at the convention. They told him if he didn't take Poppy that the RNC would refuse to support his campaign. They would have rather lost than allow an actual conservative Republican win that has an actual Republican VP running mate to take over in 8 years because they knew that would be the death of their death grip on power and graft.
Reagan later said it was the worse mistake he ever made.
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You don't like Bush Bashing? Why not? That @$$hole will never be bashed to the degree that he deserves. That F***ing LIAR is what has wrecked the destiny of the nation, and wrecked the conservative movement with his malfeasance.
All the disasters that encompassed the terms of Bill Clinton are the consequence of Milquetoast namby pamby George, breaking his word.
The World is a worse place for Herbert having been President.
The very day I heard Bush was going to break his word, I screamed at the Radio. "MY GOD! YOU FOOL! DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT WILL RESULT FROM THIS? "
Apparently idiot George did not, and it came as quite a surprise to him that the Democrats once more played him for a dupe, and the public was thereafter sick of him.
May his name be remembered only for his treachery.
@DiogenesLamp
PREACH IT,BROTHER,PREACH IT!
If there were any justice at all in this country,Poppy and Baby Bush would be hanged in public and their bodies left to rot and be eaten by animals.
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George H.W. Bush is now officially out.
As is the entire gopE. Nothing new here. The globalist neocons both in public politics and the kind of fools that support them like those found on this bulletin board have been known for what they are for decades.
George W. and Jeb are just like their father, in case those here with absolutely less than a zero clue want to know.
The Republicans have been being PUNKED for so long, they no longer are able to know when they are being PUNKED.
Incredibly hilarious.
Yup. Both JEB and W are mama's boys with no balls,taking orders from their mothers and the handlers they married.
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That makes the most sense. Announcing a vote for Hillary seemed bizarre.
@musiclady
I'll tell ya what's bizarre,agreeing he probably said it and intends on doing it,but then acting like that is the same thing as him not saying it.
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@LilLamb
This is exactly what I had come to hate on TOS. Once upon a time we would see an article like this posted and we would research and prove rather it was true or not before anybody got theirselves in a tizzy over it. Now anything on the Internet is quoted and spread like its the gospel truth even among us.
And just what TOS is it that you are referring? Surely not the one ran by Kim Jim Bob and his flock of floozy Church Ladies with the vapors for "more Boy Jorge in tight jeans"?
Remember Jim Bob claiming that if Boy Jorge won the primary he was going take up his rifle and go into politics,and then doing an instant about-face once Boy Jorge won and started saying he would ban anyone that criticized that fine patriot and the only hope America had?
That was what caused me to tell him his head was a quart low and get banned for the 3rd,or maybe the 4th time.
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Nope. I'm with you. I consider him a man of integrity, character, and grace and wish we had more like him.
@jedidah
ROFLMAO! I really,REALLY wish we had a humor ping list here.
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@Norm Lenhart
That has nothing to do with it. Popply is steamed because one of his retarded sons is now out of the graft machine thanks to Trump. JEB is now likely to just wander around and get lost.
A little off topic, but it seems to me a lot of NeverTrumpers who now complain that Trump used name-calling in the primaries to clear the dead wood, didn't seem to raise much fuss when Donald Trump was quickly dispatching Jeb with his "low energy Jeb" line of attack.
Nothing. I just find it amusing, ironic and hypocritical. :laugh:
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And just what TOS is it that you are referring? Surely not the one ran by Kim Jim Bob and his flock of floozy Church Ladies with the vapors for "more Boy Jorge in tight jeans"?
Remember Jim Bob claiming that if Boy Jorge won the primary he was going take up his rifle and go into politics,and then doing an instant about-face once Boy Jorge won and started saying he would ban anyone that criticized that fine patriot and the only hope America had?
That was what caused me to tell him his head was a quart low and get banned for the 3rd,or maybe the 4th time.
Actually, I don't recall that. And I was there, too.
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Well, you could just take the Bush spokesman at their word. It's entirely possible that they meant just what they said, even in this treacherous world.
@jedidah
Uhhh, what he basically said was "no comment". He refused to either deny OR admit. IF that evil old bastard Poppy had NOT said it,the spokescritter would have DENIED it. Since he refused to deny it,it MUST be true. Either he did or he didn't. There are no other options,and his spokescritter would NOT say he didn't.
That's what we that live in the reality world call a "good first clue".
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A little off topic, but it seems to me a lot of NeverTrumpers who now complain that Trump used name-calling in the primaries to clear the dead wood, didn't seem to raise much fuss when Donald Trump was quickly dispatching Jeb with his "low energy Jeb" line of attack.
Nothing. I just find it amusing, ironic and hypocritical. :laugh:
I don't like it when anybody uses name calling and other BS attacks to "clear out the deadwood." I'm a firm believer in Reagan's 11th Commandment, and this election was the worst violation of that principle I've ever seen. Every last one of them broke it, and victory went to the nastiest.
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I'm one of those crazy Conservatives who doesn't think that having money makes one evil (That's kinda liberal of you, isn't it?)
My thinking on wealth, society, and the relationships between the two things is still a work in progress, but I lean heavily towards this theory of human dynamics.
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3149/3005355871_1ec5bcb878.jpg)
I advise you to read what Erik Von Kuehnelt-Leddihin had to say on the subject of wealth and socialism in his book "Leftism Revisited."
(http://images.betterworldbooks.com/089/Leftism-Revisited-9780895265371.jpg)
One of his basic premises is that socialism always appears to originate from the wives and children of wealthy men.
Apparently wealth itself isn't bad, it is the presumptuousness of moral superiority that is created by unearned wealth that seems to be the problem.
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I don't believe it's as 'few' as you think. The Bushes (all of them) were decent people and good leaders. They were honest and patriotic and family centered. I still love W... he goes to Ranger's games. He's a really nice guy.
@Emjay
DAYUM! You must have drank the Bush Crime Family kool-ade by the gallon! Where they lead us is to Clinton and Obama. Not to mention getting us into an endless war because they were paid to kill Hussein by Saudi Arabia.
"Treasonous Bastards" is almost the nicest thing anyone can say about them. The only thing better would be news they had been tried and convicted for treason,and hanged in public.
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@Emjay
DAYUM! You must have drank the Bush Crime Family kool-ade by the gallon! Where they lead us is to Clinton and Obama. Not to mention getting us into an endless war because they were paid to kill Hussein by Saudi Arabia.
"Treasonous Bastards" is almost the nicest thing anyone can say about them. The only thing better would be news they had been tried and convicted for treason,and hanged in public.
Well, baby, you hang onto that bitterness and delusion and see how happy it makes you.
I'll stick with my beliefs.
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@Norm Lenhart
That has nothing to do with it. Popply is steamed because one of his retarded sons is now out of the graft machine thanks to Trump. JEB is now likely to just wander around and get lost.
I think you have a misunderstanding regarding the social dynamics of the wealthy elite. When you get up to their level of money, their concerns are no longer about money, but rather about the social status they get from occupying certain positions.
They are literally a rebirth of the Aristocracy mindset here in America.
They don't care so much about the money as they do the status that commands such money.
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Maybe so, but everything I said about George Herbert Walker "born with a silver foot in his mouth" Bush was absolutely true.
@DiogenesLamp
A minor correction. He was born with a silver HOOF in his mouth.
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You Trump dopes think your boy gives a damn about jobs?
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@ddale8
Trump: "I don't care" if manufacturers leave, because we'll "make a fortune" from the 35% tariff we slap on them if they do.
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@DiogenesLamp
AT LAST! Someone else understands what happened!
BTW,Reagan was forced to take Poppy as his running mate by the RINO's (then know as The Country Club Republicans) at the convention. They told him if he didn't take Poppy that the RNC would refuse to support his campaign. They would have rather lost than allow an actual conservative Republican win that has an actual Republican VP running mate to take over in 8 years because they knew that would be the death of their death grip on power and graft.
And this I have come to believe.
Reagan later said it was the worse mistake he ever made.
And that I have always believed.
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Well, baby, you hang onto that bitterness and delusion and see how happy it makes you.
I'll stick with my beliefs.
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Maybe an even worse legacy, if that's possible....
Planned Parenthood is the most evil organization in the country.
@musiclady
Odd that you would say that,give that both Poppy and Boy Jorges wives/handlers are in favor of abortion on demand.
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I could understand that argument if he'd actual remained silent. But that's not what happened. He actually had a spokesman come out and make a statement. It's just that the statement did not include a denial of the underlying claim that prompted them to make a statement in the first place.
It is impossible to open a closed mind. The Bush Crime Family groupies are like Dims,they only hear what they want to hear.
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My thinking on wealth, society, and the relationships between the two things is still a work in progress, but I lean heavily towards this theory of human dynamics.
I advise you to read what Erik Von Kuehnelt-Leddihin had to say on the subject of wealth and socialism in his book "Leftism Revisited."
One of his basic premises is that socialism always appears to originate from the wives and children of wealthy men.
Apparently wealth itself isn't bad, it is the presumptuousness of moral superiority that is created by unearned wealth that seems to be the problem.
Looks like an interesting thesis, but let's look specifically at this country, and I think the growth of socialism is a mixed bag of wealthy and non-wealthy Presidents.
The worst of the worst, IMO, was Wilson, not born wealthy. FDR obviously was, but LBJ, the worst in my lifetime, was not, nor were Clinton or Obama.
So even if you include the Bush's in your "socialism" category, it's still a minority in terms of who has driven this country into socialism.
I'm glad you see that wealth, in and of itself is not bad. So your categorically denouncing HW because of his wealth has less merit then, does it not? Whether or not he thinks he is better than you and me is pure speculation.
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Actually, I don't recall that. And I was there, too.
You were probably too involved with the Bush Fan Club threads to take any notice.
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Wow. Been out doing real life, check in this evening to see this thread has gone full TOS. Do you guys drool or merely foam at the mouth?
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@musiclady
Odd that you would say that,give that both Poppy and Boy Jorges wives/handlers are in favor of abortion on demand.
Not odd at all.
I vehemently disagree with both Barbara and Laura about that.
It's only your total misperception of who I am that would make you think that "odd."
No surprises there. You do erroneous sweeping generalizations better than anyone I know.
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Wow. Been out doing real life, check in this evening to see this thread has gone full TOS. Do you guys drool or merely foam at the mouth?
It's fascinating to watch the emotions go into outer space, isn't it?
Almost amusing..........
(Just think about the fact that one of the Trump lackeys on this thread said this was a Bush forum. Pretty dopey in light of the reality of who's here, and how much abject, irrational hatred there is against anyone with the last name "Bush" ^-^)
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You were probably too involved with the Bush Fan Club threads to take any notice.
Must be it because I did like him then. I don't tend to being a fanbois, but one man's poison....
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I think you have a misunderstanding regarding the social dynamics of the wealthy elite. When you get up to their level of money, their concerns are no longer about money, but rather about the social status they get from occupying certain positions.
They are literally a rebirth of the Aristocracy mindset here in America.
They don't care so much about the money as they do the status that commands such money.
@DiogenesLamp
Money equals power,and power equals money. If you have either,you have both
And nothing gains status for you like having power and money.
Speaking of which,remember Prescott Bush Sr being convicted of laundering Nazi money during WW-2 while working as a drone for the Harriman's?
Remember that his "punishment" for treason was being elected as the new US Senator for Ct in 1954?
It was his son,Prescott Jr that Poppy sent to China to open the Chinese-American Chamber of Commerce using the connections Poppy had made while director of the CIA and then President,and that was the connection with the Clinton's that dates back to when she was on the board of Wal-Mart that made it possible for Wal-Mart to start dumping Chinese crap on America. I have no doubt at all that the Bush Crime Family got a commission on every deal made. Now Prescott Jr is dead and they have been trying to teach that retard Neil "I doan no nuttin bout no loans" Bush to take over ever since. Good luck with that one. It's the equivalent of teaching a cat how to sing opera. Remember his first "how ya doing,I'm Neil and I will be taking over" trip to Asia,when he was caught on film with the hooker?
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@musiclady
Odd that you would say that,give that both Poppy and Boy Jorges wives/handlers are in favor of abortion on demand.
I remember that. That was just one more bit of evidence that I and others like me were played for saps. They never were one of us, they just pretended.
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Wow. Been out doing real life, check in this evening to see this thread has gone full TOS. Do you guys drool or merely foam at the mouth?
@jedidah
Only the Bush groupies.
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Actually, I don't recall that. And I was there, too.
It didn't happen.
Some angry, warped memory going on here......
And after 15 years, hanging on to that bitterness for dear life.
Saddest thing I've ever seen from an otherwise bright fellow.
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@jedidah
Only the Bush groupies.
Actually, there aren't any of those here.
Cleanse your memory banks, pete. You're living in a nightmare of your own making.
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Not odd at all.
You do erroneous sweeping generalizations better than anyone I know.
@musiclady
Ahhhh,the passive/aggressive thing again.
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@DiogenesLamp
AT LAST! Someone else understands what happened!
BTW,Reagan was forced to take Poppy as his running mate by the RINO's (then know as The Country Club Republicans) at the convention. They told him if he didn't take Poppy that the RNC would refuse to support his campaign. They would have rather lost than allow an actual conservative Republican win that has an actual Republican VP running mate to take over in 8 years because they knew that would be the death of their death grip on power and graft.
Reagan later said it was the worse mistake he ever made.
I thought he said amnesty for illegals was the worst?
Doesn't matter, both decisions were painful to watch. What I don't understand is why didn't he replace Bush in '84? For that matter, why didn't Junior replace Cheney in 2004? Mind you, I sort of liked old Dick, but he was old. Bush 43 should have been looking to groom a successor. That he did not tells me things about him, none of them good.
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It didn't happen.
Some angry, warped memory going on here......
And after 15 years, hanging on to that bitterness for dear life.
Saddest thing I've ever seen from an otherwise bright fellow.
@musiclady
Now you are just flat-out lying.
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@musiclady
Ahhhh,the passive/aggressive thing again.
Nothing passive about anything I do, peter.
I just lay it all out there.
You do faulty sweeping generalizations better than anyone I've ever seen.
You put everyone in a teeny little box and can't think beyond your own warped view of how things are and were.
I am adamantly pro-life, and it is NOT odd because I don't look to anyone else for my views. It's only because you falsely assume that I worship the Bushes that you draw such idiotic conclusions.
IOW, you don't think. You just emote.
In fact, on this thread, you have vomited emotion.
Kind of amusing, actually. :patriot:
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@DiogenesLamp
AT LAST! Someone else understands what happened!
BTW,Reagan was forced to take Poppy as his running mate by the RINO's (then know as The Country Club Republicans) at the convention. They told him if he didn't take Poppy that the RNC would refuse to support his campaign. They would have rather lost than allow an actual conservative Republican win that has an actual Republican VP running mate to take over in 8 years because they knew that would be the death of their death grip on power and graft.
Reagan later said it was the worse mistake he ever made.
Reagan never said that.
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Reagan never said that.
@sinkspur
It was sure reported that he said that,and AFAIK,he never denied saying it.
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@musiclady
Now you are just flat-out lying.
Nope. I don't lie.
You are OBSESSED with the Dose (15 years ago, for heaven's sake!!). ALL the rest of us have left it far behind (other than friends we met there, like @mystery-ak , and the incredible support people like me got when my son was deployed to Iraq), but you bring it up as though hating it has deep meaning in your life.
You're mad, pete. And you don't even begin to be able to hide it.
There's no lie to it, because you just vomited about it on this thread. FIFTEEN YEARS AGO.
Get OVER it, boy!
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This thread is about former President Bush. Please refrain from engaging in personal attacks and insults directed to other members. Thank you.
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You were probably too involved with the Bush Fan Club threads to take any notice.
LOL Bush fan club..it was the Day and the Life of Pres Bush....Yes I participated along with a lot of other people who loved Dubya...he was my husband and son's CinC..the best CinC this country every had imho....so we got together everynight to discuss the day's news and we all chit-chatted...for me it was a release and companionship since Mike was in Iraq...got to know musiclady..her son was in Iraq....we had a lot to talk about..a lot to worry about..thank God those women were there for us as I would have surely lost my mind...
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Actually, there aren't any of those here.
Cleanse your memory banks, pete. You're living in a nightmare of your own making.
So true. If I were responding to Pete, I would ask who was the last president he actually liked. It had to go back to ??? Ike ??? probably not good enough for him.
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@sinkspur
It was sure reported that he said that,and AFAIK,he never denied saying it.
It was never reported that he said it. Anywhere. Google is your friend.
Why would Reagan deny saying something he never said?
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Ok, @sneakypete, the gauntlet's been dropped. Who was the last president, in our lifetimes whom you liked?
I'm interested in that discussion.
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LOL Bush fan club..it was the Day and the Life of Pres Bush....Yes I participated along with a lot of other people who loved Dubya...he was my husband and son's CinC..the best CinC this country every had imho....so we got together everynight to discuss the day's news and we all chit-chatted...for me it was a release and companionship since Mike was in Iraq...got to know musiclady..her son was in Iraq....we had a lot to talk about..a lot to worry about..thank God those women were there for us as I would have surely lost my mind...
AMEN! Me too, myst! You and Mike kept me going during some really dark days. It was harmless conversation, and amazing support when we needed it the most.
And yes, I still respect President Bush, and always will, because of how much he cared for his troops....... OUR troops.
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So true. If I were responding to Pete, I would ask who was the last president he actually liked. It had to go back to ??? Ike ??? probably not good enough for him.
Heavens, no! It couldn't have been Ike. He was just a golf-playing General who led the Allied troops to victory over the Nazis. That's not nearly enough to command respect. ^-^
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High Suicide Rates among Veterans, Jeb got blown out in South Carolina, the state with the highest percent of retired military. Persecution among Christians in the Middle East started, that is some success record. Christians among those linked most closely historically to Christ.
At least, with Trump, apparently there is someone who cares about the Vets. McCain hasn't proven himself in that area either.
Wrecked the Republican Party.
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I liked Calvin Coolidge.
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High Suicide Rates among Veterans, Jeb got blown out in South Carolina, the state with the highest percent of retired military. Persecution among Christians in the Middle East started, that is some success record. Christians among those linked most closely historically to Christ.
At least, with Trump, apparently there is someone who cares about the Vets. McCain hasn't proven himself in that area either.
Wrecked the Republican Party.
Are you drinking? This is gibberish, even for you.
SC is nowhere close to those with highest percentage of retired military.
Alaska, Montana, Maine, Virginia, West Virginia are the top five.
https://ballotpedia.org/Verbatim_fact_check:_What_state_has_the_most_veterans%3F
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It's funny, because I'll bet we can agree that McStain sucks donkey testicles. Just Sayin'.
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It's funny, because I'll bet we can agree that McStain sucks donkey testicles. Just Sayin'.
I can heartily agree with that.
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Nope. I don't lie.
You are OBSESSED with the Dose (15 years ago, for heaven's sake!!). ALL the rest of us have left it far behind (other than friends we met there, like @mystery-ak , and the incredible support people like me got when my son was deployed to Iraq), but you bring it up as though hating it has deep meaning in your life.
You're mad, pete. And you don't even begin to be able to hide it.
There's no lie to it, because you just vomited about it on this thread. FIFTEEN YEARS AGO.
Get OVER it, boy!
@musiclady
Get your story straight. You accused me of lying about cornering Jim Bob over his hypocrisy and support of the Bush Crime Family. I did NOT lie and I do NOT lie.
Secondly,it was because the Sauds paid off the Bush Crime Family to invade Iraq and kill Saddam Hussein that your son was in Iraq to start with. Maybe YOU don't think pimping out our military and the lives of the young men and women in it for personal profits is a bad thing,but I do,and no amount of time passing will change that.
It really is true that those who forget history are destined to repeat it. Maybe YOU are ready to forgive all that,which you aren't because you never disagreed with it,but I am not. Nor will I ever forgive it.
And finally,"BOY"???? I haven't been a boy since I took my first job working as a deckhand on a shrimpboat in the summer recess from school when I was 13. I enlisted in the army on my 17th birthday to be a paratrooper,and by the time I was 18 I was wearing a Green Beret. Not that any of that really matters to you because you are just taking cheap shots because someone is criticizing your lust bunny.
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It was never reported that he said it. Anywhere. Google is your friend.
Why would Reagan deny saying something he never said?
@sinkspur
When did he ever deny it? For him to deny it,SOMEONE must have said he did say it,and it must have been reported.
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Ok, @sneakypete, the gauntlet's been dropped. Who was the last president, in our lifetimes whom you liked?
I'm interested in that discussion.
@Sanguine
Reagan. He wasn't Barry Goldwater,but he was the best president of my lifetime.
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Heavens, no! It couldn't have been Ike. He was just a golf-playing General who led the Allied troops to victory over the Nazis. That's not nearly enough to command respect. ^-^
@musiclady
My apologies. I had thought I was actually discussing issues with people that knew something.
Ike was a politician in a uniform. A bureaucrat that never personally heard a shot being fired,but who could be relied on 100 percent to blindly follow orders. Him leading the troops that attacked the Bonus Pay Marchers that burnt down their buildings and tents in the park and DC and also killed several of them is proof of that.
BUT.......,he was THE perfect man for the job he had,which was basically trying to keep all the massive egos in the Allied Alliance together and playing for the same team. At that he did an absolutely masterful job.
He never led anybody anywhere in his life,though.
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@sinkspur
When did he ever deny it? For him to deny it,SOMEONE must have said he did say it,and it must have been reported.
He never said it, so it was never reported, nobody ever said he said it, and he never denied something he never said.
You made all that up.
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He never said it, so it was never reported, nobody ever said he said it, and he never denied something he never said.
You made all that up.
And now I guess you are going to claim Goggle has proof he never said it?
And....,I don't "make up" stuff. I comment on what I know was reported because I read it.
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And now I guess you are going to claim Goggle has proof he never said it?
And....,I don't "make up" stuff. I comment on what I know was reported because I read it.
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Google has no one saying what you said Reagan said. So, either you made it up, or you just thought you read it. You didn't.
Just trying to keep everything on the up and up around here.
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@Sanguine
Reagan. He wasn't Barry Goldwater,but he was the best president of my lifetime.
I'd have to agree with you on that.
Long time ago, wasn't it?
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LOL Bush fan club..it was the Day and the Life of Pres Bush....Yes I participated along with a lot of other people who loved Dubya...he was my husband and son's CinC..the best CinC this country every had imho....so we got together everynight to discuss the day's news and we all chit-chatted...for me it was a release and companionship since Mike was in Iraq...got to know musiclady..her son was in Iraq....we had a lot to talk about..a lot to worry about..thank God those women were there for us as I would have surely lost my mind...
If Bush was best CinC this country ever had......Why Reagan in your header? @mystery-ak
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If Bush was best CinC this country ever had......Why Reagan in your header? @mystery-ak
There's more to being a President than being the CinC.
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Must be a full moon tonight. :smokin:
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I asked.....@mystery-ak If Bush is fave president, then why have Reagan in logo at the top of the page. Reagan isn't favorite president? Why have him on the site logo? Just a simple question.
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We don't really know what Bush will do in the voting booth, but this story has legs because it fits a paradigm that so many have had for so long. And that is that the Republican elite support Leftists more than they do patriots, or wacko-birds as McCain calls them.
I would not doubt that many in the Republican leadership will be voting for Hillary. The status quo means more to them than the fate of America and Americans.
I still suspect that McCain voted for Obama twice, including against himself. The pathetically gushing way McCain praised this nobody loser from Chicago makes me think that way.
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I asked.....@mystery-ak If Bush is fave president, then why have Reagan in logo at the top of the page. Reagan isn't favorite president? Why have him on the site logo? Just a simple question.
Bush isn't my fav President RR is..
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Must be a full moon tonight. :smokin:
I need to look outside
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We don't really know what Bush will do in the voting booth, but this story has legs because it fits a paradigm that so many have had for so long. And that is that the Republican elite support Leftists more than they do patriots, or wacko-birds as McCain calls them.
I would not doubt that many in the Republican leadership will be voting for Hillary. The status quo means more to them than the fate of America and Americans.
I still suspect that McCain voted for Obama twice, including against himself. The pathetically gushing way McCain praised this nobody loser from Chicago makes me think that way.
Trump is an ignorant cretin. The Bushes are gracious, cordial, respectful people, something Trump knows nothing about.
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Must be a full moon tonight. :smokin:
Nope. That was last week.
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I asked.....@mystery-ak If Bush is fave president, then why have Reagan in logo at the top of the page. Reagan isn't favorite president? Why have him on the site logo? Just a simple question.
Why not?
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Trump is an ignorant cretin. The Bushes are gracious, cordial, respectful people, something Trump knows nothing about.
Bush family are great people. There is no doubt of that. In fact they are too nice. They really should stay out of politics
They're run over and used by people who are smarter and not nearly as 'nice'.
Trump is a pig in that he feels at home in the mud of political maneuvering. This is a concept the "oh so nice and genteel Bush family could never grasp.
Politics is a dirty business. And as you have clearly stated, Trump is a dirty guy. He is the perfect pig to wallow and bask in the world of bullshit the Democrats live in.
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Bush family are great people. There is no doubt of that. In fact they are too nice. They really should stay out of politics
They're run over and used by people who are smarter and not nearly as 'nice'.
Trump is a pig in that he feels at home in the mud of political maneuvering. This is a concept the "oh so nice and genteel Bush family could never grasp.
Politics is a dirty business. And as you have clearly stated, Trump is a dirty guy. He is the perfect pig to wallow and bask in the world of bullshit the Democrats live in.
He's not just dirty. Trump is a liar, an adulterer, a cheater, and is colossally stupid. He appeals to the lowest common denominator of the human psyche.
Thus, his supporters...............
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Trump team goes right back to its wheelhouse: attacking Jeb Bush
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“I respect the 92-year-old-former president very much… that’s his right” @KellyannePolls on HW backing HRC
Kellyanne Conway is proving that if you'll go to work for the guy who attacked your former bosses wife over her looks, you'll do just about anything for money.
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Why not? The Bush/Clinton families are close friends by their own admission. Why wouldn't he? The GOP scorned Jeb. No reason he wouldn't.
Hillary and Trump are both so liberal I fail to see why anyone could choose between them. Neither are worthy of voting for.
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Bush isn't my fav President RR is..
And a good choice that is.
RR is perfect for TBR's logo. We ALL admire him.
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@DiogenesLamp
AT LAST! Someone else understands what happened!
BTW,Reagan was forced to take Poppy as his running mate by the RINO's (then know as The Country Club Republicans) at the convention. They told him if he didn't take Poppy that the RNC would refuse to support his campaign. They would have rather lost than allow an actual conservative Republican win that has an actual Republican VP running mate to take over in 8 years because they knew that would be the death of their death grip on power and graft.
Reagan later said it was the worse mistake he ever made.
GHWB is a NE liberal RINO. He is part of the ruling class and thinks his children are entitled to carry on as political royalty. I am sick of political dynasties and those who place themselves above the people. The Bushes/Clintons/Kennedys have done much damage to our Republic.
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GHWB is a NE liberal RINO. He is part of the ruling class and thinks his children are entitled to carry on as political royalty. I am sick of political dynasties and those who place themselves above the people. The Bushes/Clintons/Kennedys have done much damage to our Republic.
The perfectionists ... i.e. Sneaky Pete and others ... got ticked because a good president did do everything they wanted or did something they didn't like and voted for Perot to 'get even.'
And what they did and what they are blaming us for, is elect Clinton and start the Clinton era that we are still suffering through.
That last Perfect president was Reagan and he wasn't perfect. We would be so much better off with leaders as classy and good as the Bushes.
By the way, you do not see the Bush daughters inserting themselves into politics. Great family !!
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The perfectionists ... i.e. Sneaky Pete and others ... got ticked because a good president did do everything they wanted or did something they didn't like and voted for Perot to 'get even.'
And what they did and what they are blaming us for, is elect Clinton and start the Clinton era that we are still suffering through.
That last Perfect president was Reagan and he wasn't perfect. We would be so much better off with leaders as classy and good as the Bushes.
By the way, you do not see the Bush daughters inserting themselves into politics. Great family !!
I have always voted Republican but feel the party is now an arm of the Democrat Party. I just despise elitists who think they are entitled to be our rulers. I voted fro GWHB and then he raised taxes. I voted for GWB and he did not close the borders after 911 and he did the bailout at Paulsen's request. I am done with the Bushes.
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I have always voted Republican but feel the party is now an arm of the Democrat Party. I just despise elitists who think they are entitled to be our rulers. I voted fro GWHB and then he raised taxes. I voted for GWB and he did not close the borders after 911 and he did the bailout at Paulsen's request. I am done with the Bushes.
I wish I had a Bush to vote for, but, lucky for you, there are no Bushes running. Instead we have Trump and Clinton. Hope you're happy about that.
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@kevindavis
Admit it,you miss FR,don't you? It was nice and safe over there with Jim Bob telling you all what to think,and making sure that never a discouraging word was heard.
I was like that for a while after getting banned [in 2013]. You have to ween yourself off the cultish environment.
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@Emjay
DAYUM! You must have drank the Bush Crime Family kool-ade by the gallon! Where they lead us is to Clinton and Obama. Not to mention getting us into an endless war because they were paid to kill Hussein by Saudi Arabia.
"Treasonous Bastards" is almost the nicest thing anyone can say about them. The only thing better would be news they had been tried and convicted for treason,and hanged in public.
A little historical background on the Bush family;
http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=BushBook
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[T]he Republican elite support Leftists more than they do patriots, or wacko-birds as McCain calls them.
I would not doubt that many in the Republican leadership will be voting for Hillary. The status quo means more to them than the fate of America and Americans.
This isn't about "leftists" vs. "patriots". This is a referendum on American fascism, and whether it will rise or be repudiated.
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Ok, @sneakypete, the gauntlet's been dropped. Who was the last president, in our lifetimes whom you liked?
I'm interested in that discussion.
We're no longer allowed to have 'good' POTUS. If they attempt to do the right thing, attempts are made on their lives. They either change their mind or they die.
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I liked Calvin Coolidge.
@Cyber Liberty
Great minds think alike. Coolidge is my favorite, also. Maybe we can bring him back somehow and run him again along with Reagan as his VP with Goldwater appointed to the Supreme Court?
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The perfectionists ... i.e. Sneaky Pete and others ... got ticked because a good president did do everything they wanted or did something they didn't like and voted for Perot to 'get even.'
And what they did and what they are blaming us for, is elect Clinton and start the Clinton era that we are still suffering through.
That last Perfect president was Reagan and he wasn't perfect. We would be so much better off with leaders as classy and good as the Bushes.
By the way, you do not see the Bush daughters inserting themselves into politics. Great family !!
Jeb's son George P. is injecting himself in politics here in TX. But he endorses Trump so, every one of the Nevers ignore him.
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There is a book that is called "Accidental President" on Bush 41. A premise of that book may well be that Reagan didn't really want Bush in there but that he was selected nonetheless.
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I thank SneakyPete for his service and again, I think fine posts.
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"... according to the Kennedys"??
I'm not going to peruse 9 pages of no doubt acrimonious arguing, but can anyone tell me if this little story was validated from some source other than a hard-core DNC faction? I'd sooner take voting tips from a Kardashian than a Kennedy.
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Bush isn't my fav President RR is..
Me too. Best President since Washington.
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H.W. and W. were both fine presidents.
H.W. did a few "Okay" things, like nominating Clarence Thomas. (And I have now come to believe that the only reason Bush defended Thomas was because he was black. Had he been a white guy, Bush HW would have abandoned him.)
But nothing Bush HW did can make up for the absolute disaster he caused by breaking his word to his constituents. It cost him the election, and it damaged the conservative movement, and caused all sorts of subsequent world and domestic disasters to occur.
Much of the wreckage we are now dealing with is the consequence of this horrible and unethical blunder on the part of HW.
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Trump is a pig in that he feels at home in the mud of political maneuvering. This is a concept the "oh so nice and genteel Bush family could never grasp.
This is a thing that used to constantly infuriate me when HW was President. The dull witted sap could never seem to understand that the Democrats he thought were his "friends" were f***ing him over every single time he dealt with them.
He kept trying to be the "Kinder, Gentler" President, and each time his opposition took kindness for weakness, which in fact is what it was.
As some prominent Republican (I forget who) remarked at the time, "George Bush is not only unaware of where the battle lines are, he's not even aware that he's in a war."
Of course he was ruthless at attacking more conservative Republicans. He never pulled any punches when it came to hammering actual conservatives.
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Hillary and Trump are both so liberal I fail to see why anyone could choose between them. Neither are worthy of voting for.
I explained it here.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,225912.msg1061254.html#msg1061254
It is a question of whether you would rather suffer benign neglect, or dangerous and abusive hatred.
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GHWB is a NE liberal RINO. He is part of the ruling class and thinks his children are entitled to carry on as political royalty. I am sick of political dynasties and those who place themselves above the people. The Bushes/Clintons/Kennedys have done much damage to our Republic.
This is also the impression I have of him too.
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The perfectionists ... i.e. Sneaky Pete and others ... got ticked because a good president did do everything they wanted or did something they didn't like and voted for Perot to 'get even.'
No. You need to face facts. George HW Bush *STABBED US IN THE BACK.*
Not only did he STAB US IN THE BACK, he did so for no gain whatsoever. The "Deal" he made with the Democrats to break his word on the Tax pledge was never honored by the Democrats. George HW Bush got *NOTHING* in exchange for this "deal" he made with those lying vermin.
Because George HW Bush broke his word, he singlehandedly elected Clinton. He threw away the only weapon which would have been effective against Clinton, and that weapon was the "Character" issue.
Because George HW Bush had been demonstrated to have *LIED* in a very public manner, George HW could never call that greasy bastard Clinton a "pathological liar." Bush simply could not raise the "LYING" issue without the New York controlled media immediately launching into a "You are a HYPOCRITE!" circle jerk for 24-7.
Bush never tried to call Clinton a pathological liar because at long last he finally had a grasp of the political implications of what he had done.
But we owe Clinton's election to that one unethical blunder by George HW. We owe all the insane kookbat Federal Judges appointed by Clinton to that one unethical blunder by George HW. We owe the housing financial meltdown, the 20008 financial crises, the World Trade Center attacks, the transfer of technology to China, and an endless series of other horrible disasters to that one broken promise by George HW Bush.
Bush wrecked us with that lie. He absolutely wrecked our movement (Because the New York media pointed out that the "conservative" President had lied, and so "conservatives" were no more trustworthy than liberals) and he wrecked the nation.
All with that one disastrous lie to get a "deal" that a first grader would have known was a trap.
I detest George HW Bush for the disaster he pushed upon the nation through his bungling and stupidity.
People need to face the truth. He wrecked us with that lie.
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I wish I had a Bush to vote for, but, lucky for you, there are no Bushes running. Instead we have Trump and Clinton. Hope you're happy about that.
Not in the least bit happy about our choices. I have always been a strong Cruz supporter. Since Cruz encouraged us to vote our conscience, I am going to do everything I can to ensure that the lying, corrupt, evil, medically-compromised she-devil who is above the law does not become POTUS.
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Since when has a Kennedy told the truth. Also since when do we believe the word of a Kennedy?
Since when has ANY Kennedy did the honorable thing in any situation? Such as keeping a private conversation with a very old man private for instance!
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Michael C. Bender @MichaelCBender 27m27 minutes ago
The Republican Party of 2016 on stage in Cleveland church right now: Trump, Pence, Carson, Michael Cohen, General Flynn, Omarosa & Don King
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Trump is liberal, Cruz is conservative, but Cruz has parroted Trump's positions once Trump says something, Cruz defended Trump, had an alliance with Trump and even had a rally with Trump. This is why Trump detractors should be taken to task in what they say.
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Trump is liberal, Cruz is conservative, but Cruz has parroted Trump's positions once Trump says something, Cruz defended Trump, had an alliance with Trump and even had a rally with Trump. This is why Trump detractors should be taken to task in what they say.
Give it a rest, @TomSea. Not sure what kind of thing you have for Cruz, but it's boring, repetitive, strange, odd, weird, and totally irrelevant. Sheesh.
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Give it a rest, @TomSea. Not sure what kind of thing you have for Cruz, but it's boring, repetitive, strange, odd, weird, and totally irrelevant. Sheesh.
Just what I wanted to say-but it only encourages this continual posting of the drivel.
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Just what I wanted to say-but it only encourages this continual posting of the drivel.
I don't think there's any way to stop it. **nononono*
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Cruz has parroted Trump's positions once Trump says something, Cruz defended Trump, had an alliance with Trump and even had a rally with Trump.
So why all the hate for Cruz from Trump's most vocal supporters? :shrug:
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So why all the hate for Cruz from Trump's most vocal supporters? :shrug:
He's a "Constitution worshipper." They hate that.
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I'd have to agree with you on that.
Long time ago, wasn't it?
@Sanguine
Too long ago,and now I am in serious doubt we will ever see his equal even running,never mind elected. It is a closed game now,and only the approved players can play.
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There's more to being a President than being the CinC.
@Cyber Liberty
True. These days you also have to rent the US Military to the Sauds as well as import our enemies to help you destroy our way of life.
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@sinkspur
>>Trump is an ignorant cretin. <<
Even that is bragging on him.
>>The Bushes are gracious, cordial, respectful people, something Trump knows nothing about.<<
True,but they are also treasonous One World Government/New World Order globalist scum that have pimped out our country for personal gain for generations.
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He's a "Constitution worshipper." They hate that.
Then Rick Santorum was that before Cruz. No, I don't think we hate that.
For the record, Santorum served 2 or even 3 terms as Senator before being voted out. So, making that clear too.
But let's not disturb the narrative that Cruz is the only Constitutionalist there is.
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Hillary and Trump are both so liberal I fail to see why anyone could choose between them. Neither are worthy of voting for.
@geronl
I won't be surprised if the percentage of voters voting for a presidential candidate this time ends up being the lowest in history.
Especially if some way can be discovered to cull the votes of illegal aliens,dead people,and imaginary people.
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GHWB is a NE liberal RINO. He is part of the ruling class and thinks his children are entitled to carry on as political royalty. I am sick of political dynasties and those who place themselves above the people. The Bushes/Clintons/Kennedys have done much damage to our Republic.
@austingirl
:amen: :amen:,and :amen:
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The perfectionists ... i.e. Sneaky Pete and others ...<<
Which leaves the apologists and surrender monkeys. You will recognize what they look like when you look in a mirror.
>> got ticked because a good president did do everything they wanted or did something they didn't like<<
WHAT "good president"? You mean the homosexual drunken cokehead retard that was owned outright by the Sauds,and who pimped out our military to Saudi Arabia? You must,because nobody else was president then. I guess if those things are things you look for and admire in a president,Boy Jorge was pretty good. I do thank you for recognizing some of us have higher standards,though.
>>and voted for Perot to 'get even.'<<
I can't speak for anyone else,but *I* most definitely did NOT vote for that lump of mobile feces. IIRC,I voted for me for President even though I don't want the job.
>>And what they did and what they are blaming us for, is elect Clinton and start the Clinton era that we are still suffering through.<<
No,that IS what you did. Boy Jorge and Bubba were and are interchangeable when it comes to patriotism and policy,although truth to tell Boy Jorge deserves SOME sympathy because he is too stupid to realize what he was doing. He most likely just thought he was making his mama happy,so that meant it was good things.
Nobody can ever accuse Bubba of being stupid. Evil on an epic level,sure,but not stupid. He is Trump with an above room temp IQ.
>>That last Perfect president was Reagan and he wasn't perfect. <<
That's true. He wasn't Barry Goldwater,but who is?
>>We would be so much better off with leaders as classy and good as the Bushes.<<
Yeah,causen style bees mo portant dan everthin else,huh? Who cares about minor little stuff like honor and patriotism,right? What we need is STYLE!
>>By the way, you do not see the Bush daughters inserting themselves into politics. Great family !!<<
They are media whores furthering the Bush Crime Family push for global fascism. You must be SOOO proud of them!
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I wish I had a Bush to vote for, but, lucky for you, there are no Bushes running. Instead we have Trump and Clinton. Hope you're happy about that.
@Emjay
The fact that you think there is any practical difference between the Bush Crime Family,the Clinton Crime Family,and Donald Little Hands/Trump Inc as far as goals for the future of the United States means you are so clueless you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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But let's not disturb the narrative that Cruz is the only Constitutionalist there is.
I don't believe anyone said that. There are several staunch constitutionalists in America and particularly in Congress. None of them is running for president right now, unfortunately.
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Jeb's son George P. is injecting himself in politics here in TX.
WOW! THERE's a surprise? You mean the Brown Bush that sorta speaks Spanish that it too stupid to earn a living as a lawyer is going into the family crime business? The one that was arrested for stalking a former girlfriend in college,and IIRC,actually broke into her apartment and trashed it? THAT Brown Bush?
Well,to be fair we know it couldn't be his Brown brother or sister. The sister is a junkie with a felony arrest record,and the brother has a record for statutory rape.
Come to think of it,their mother also has an arrest record for trying to smuggle jewelry and furs into the country without paying customs dues on them while JEB was still the governor of Fla and she was the First Lady.
Yup,dem Bushes sure is a class family,huh?
Especially when you add Prescott Sr,Prescott Jr,and Neil "I doan no nuttin bout no bankin" Bush to the mixture.
Why,if I didn't know better I would suspect his family bought him that blonde trophy wife because she would be helpful in his law career of sitting in a office in a law firm paid by the Bush Crime Family to hire him.
Ah'm shocked! SHOCKED,AH TELLS YA!
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I don't believe anyone said that. There are several staunch constitutionalists in America and particularly in Congress. None of them is running for president right now, unfortunately.
None of them could rent 60 seconds on a Sunday talk show for a million bucks in cash.
It's a fixed game these days. The Country Club Republicans/Globalists weren't paying attention when Reagan ran because they thought he was a joke,and they damn near lost the game because of it. If they hadn't woken up in time to strap Poppy to his back at the convention,they would be ashes in the dustbin of history right now.
They ain't going to make that mistake again,and neither are their Dim brothers.
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I don't believe anyone said that. There are several staunch constitutionalists in America and particularly in Congress. None of them is running for president right now, unfortunately.
Yet, at the same time, a bit of an alliance between Cruz and Trump in the primaries; having a rally together, Cruz even moving his position closer to Trump's on immigration. But Trump is never going to be the Constitutionalist I suppose.
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/07/07/cruz-proud-to-defend-trump-expand-h-1b-visas-for-educated-talented-job-creators/
I think Laura Ingraham analyzed it properly, that Trump is more of a pragmatist as it stands rather than being an ideologue.
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Yet, at the same time, a bit of an alliance between Cruz and Trump in the primaries; having a rally together, Cruz even moving his position closer to Trump's on immigration. But Trump is never going to be the Constitutionalist I suppose.
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Trump shook hands with a Constitutionalist once, so that makes him one too?
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Screw the Bushes. I hate them with a passion. The only good bush is, well let's not go there.
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Compare them to our current white house resident and they look pretty d@mn good! So stop your bellyaching. 8888forgot
Not really. They gave us Clinton and Obama.
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Maybe Bush should invite her to go skydiving with him. :whistle:
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Not really. They gave us Clinton and Obama.
Carter gave us Reagan, and Clinton gave us the first Republican Congress in decades. Two can play this game.
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Not really. They gave us Clinton and Obama.
That is extremely debatable. Your opinion, but based in fact??
Correlation does not imply causation.
It can be equally argued that those who hated Bush enough to vote for Perot "gave us Clinton" and that a horrific candidate, John McCain "gave us Obama."
You are speculating based on your own feelings, and not necessarily, logic or reason.
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My point is, I never want to see another Bush in national office ever again, at least not in my lifetime. They've done enough damage.
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That is extremely debatable. Your opinion, but based in fact??
Correlation does not imply causation.
It can be equally argued that those who hated Bush enough to vote for Perot "gave us Clinton" and that a horrific candidate, John McCain "gave us Obama."
You are speculating based on your own feelings, and not necessarily, logic or reason.
If McCain was a horrific candidate, then so was H.W. Bush. Both despicable creatures. I don't blame anyone for voting Perot, why should anyone vote to re-elect a liar??
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If McCain was a horrific candidate, then so was H.W. Bush. Both despicable creatures. I don't blame anyone for voting Perot, why should anyone vote to re-elect a liar??
As I said, your emotions are driving your opinions, not reason or logic.
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mrpotatohead wrote: "Compare them to our current white house resident and they look pretty d@mn good! So stop your bellyaching. "
madmaximus wrote : Not really. They gave us Clinton and Obama.
@mrpotatohead @madmaximus
BINGO! ANYBODY that claims to be a conservative that doesn't recognize the damage the Bush Crime Family has done to our culture and country isn't thinking clearly.
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As I said, your emotions are driving your opinions, not reason or logic.
Fact: H.W. Bush lied and broke his "no new taxes" pledge. How am I being emotional?
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...... Clinton gave us the first Republican Congress in decades. Two can play this game.
And the Bush ilk still in office did everything to help Bubba but blow him,and I suspect Boy Jorge may have even done that. Between the Globalist Old Party people still in office and the new Globalist Old Party people formerly known as Dims,it only took them a few years to destroy all the gains Reagan had made,and make it impossible for another Reagan to emerge and be elected.
Todays Dim Party and today's alleged Republican Party will soon go ahead and make it formal and merge into the marriage they both so deeply lust after,and we will be the One Party Nation of their dreams.
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Fact: H.W. Bush lied and broke his "no new taxes" pledge. How am I being emotional?
Ummm............ the word "despicable" is a clue....
And then there's this.....
Screw the Bushes. I hate them with a passion
You weren't exactly hiding your feelings there, max. It's what's driving your views.......... not reason, nor logic.
But you've got an angry buddy here for you now, so I'll bow out and let the fury escalate without me. :seeya:
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As I said, your emotions are driving your opinions, not reason or logic.
@musiclady
And continuing to vote for and support the same people that have not only failed you but stabbed you in the back over and over is both reasonable and logical?
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BINGO! ANYBODY that claims to be a conservative that doesn't recognize the damage the Bush Crime Family has done to our culture and country isn't thinking clearly.
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@mrpotatohead @madmaximus
BINGO! ANYBODY that claims to be a conservative that doesn't recognize the damage the Bush Crime Family has done to our culture and country isn't thinking clearly.
Indeed. I really question the conservatism of those who still defend the Bushies to this day.
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But you've got an angry buddy here for you now, so I'll bow out and let the fury escalate without me. :seeya:
Meet us in the lounge? We're comparing outside temperatures....
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Come to think of it,their mother also has an arrest record for trying to smuggle jewelry and furs into the country without paying customs dues on them while JEB was still the governor of Fla and she was the First Lady.
Thank you @sneakypete I had totaly forgotten about that one. I loved Bush and Laura when they were in the White House. Heard stories about how corrupt the whole family is. I never believed that. Until this year, I didn't know how wealthy the whole family is. Now I don't care if they are wealthy......it is how they got their wealth. That one Bush and the savings and loan scandal. All of it. Corrupt to the core. NWO types. Globalist elites. They make me ill now.
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@Right_in_Virginia
I thank you for the thumbs up,but we ain't exactly allies. IMHO,the only area where Demented Donnie is morally superior to everyone in the Bush Crime Family is he has only been pretending to be a Republican for just a few months,and the same day the election ends he will quit pretending.
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Indeed. I really question the conservatism of those who still defend the Bushies to this day.
@madmaximus
Some people will just NEVER admit they were ever wrong about anything.
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Compare them to our current white house resident and they look pretty d@mn good! So stop your bellyaching. 8888forgot
We wouldn't *HAVE* the current White House occupant if it weren't for George HW. We also wouldn't have the current POTENTIAL White House occupant if it weren't for George HW.
George HW wrecked subsequent history and he wrecked the nation with that one broken promise.
That was a NEXUS POINT of historical significance, and one which I don't think most people have the depth of perception necessary to appreciate to the degree that they should.
A time traveler intent upon repairing damage, would head right to that point in history.
*THAT* was a significant event in History.
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My point is, I never want to see another Bush in national office ever again, at least not in my lifetime. They've done enough damage.
Nor I. I have stated on Numerous occasions that if Jeb Bush won the nomination, I would vote for Hillary. We might as well become violently ill than settle for the slow poison of a Jeb Presidency.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cKwEmY-uYI
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Thank you @sneakypete I had totaly forgotten about that one. I loved Bush and Laura when they were in the White House. Heard stories about how corrupt the whole family is. I never believed that. Until this year, I didn't know how wealthy the whole family is. Now I don't care if they are wealthy......it is how they got their wealth. That one Bush and the savings and loan scandal. <<
Yup! That starred Baby Brudder Neil "I don no nuttin bout no bankin!" Bush,who managed to lose somewhere around 5 MILLION dollars of depositors money and claimed to know nothing about where the money went. For punishment,he had to pay a 50K fine and promise to never run another bank. Even the mafia would have to admire THAT scam.
Last I heard of Baby Brudder was they were trying to groom him to take over the Bush Crime Family scams in Asia,but then he was caught on audio and video tape humping a hooker in (I THINK) Thailand. His excuse was he didn't know she was a hooker,he just thought she was a confused and lost hotel guest that knocked on his door at radom seeking help,and immediately got warm for his form. It never occurred to the dummy that the room may have been wired for video and sound since it was a comped room by the people who ran the Asin corporation he was there to deal with. That one cost him a wife and unknown amount of money in the divorce. Haven't heard anything from him since. I suspect Babs just gave up and sent a handler there to tell him what to do and say.
And who can forget Babs "Beautiful Mind" Bush?
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320x240q90/26/beautifulmindr.jpg) (http://imageshack.com/f/0qbeautifulmindrj)
>>All of it. Corrupt to the core. NWO types. Globalist elites. <<
Yup! That's them alright.