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Title: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: txradioguy on August 27, 2018, 06:27:04 pm
On Saturday, Senator John McCain (R-AZ) passed away at age 81. President Trump, who has had a historically awful relationship with McCain, responded in typical Trumpian fashion: he had the White House flag lowered to half-mast for the statutory period, then rose it to full height again despite the tradition of keeping the flag lowered until a sitting senator’s burial. Trump refused to issue a presidential proclamation about McCain, instead tweeting about McCain:

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My deepest sympathies and respect go out to the family of Senator John McCain. Our hearts and prayers are with you!

Trump was not invited to McCain’s funeral; he had infamously called into question McCain’s heroism for doing five years in a Viet Cong prison, including two years of solitary confinement. Meanwhile, Trump had joked for years about avoiding STDs in the 1970s, calling it his own personal Vietnam. When asked about McCain’s death at the White House, Trump sat in stony silence.

It’s worth noting that half of the media’s enthusiasm for McCain in recent years has come as a direct result of McCain’s opposition to Trump. But whatever the reason, Trump’s behavior is egregious and beneath the office he holds. Trump is being petty and vindictive. That's no surprise.
His behavior is also dumb politics. Yes, his base loves it – any sign of militancy from Trump makes the base happy, particularly since many conservatives saw McCain as politically wishy-washy at best.

<snip>

Trump’s supporters won’t go anywhere because they have nowhere else to go. But everyone else is far less likely to give Trump the benefit of the doubt as time goes on, no matter how good the economy remains. Character does matter. Hillary had none, so Trump eked out an electoral college victory. But Trump is letting the opportunity to redefine his character and win over admirers slip through his fingers out of pure egotistic brutality.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/35077/stupidity-trumps-anti-mccain-antics-ben-shapiro (https://www.dailywire.com/news/35077/stupidity-trumps-anti-mccain-antics-ben-shapiro)
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: txradioguy on August 27, 2018, 06:28:16 pm
It appears that McCain was just as graceless as Trump.  The Daily Mail is reporting that McCain's last words were about weakening the country when we hide behind walls.   **nononono*
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: skeeter on August 27, 2018, 06:31:23 pm
There was gonna be a dogpile regardless of what Trump said or didn't say about McCain. He's right for just staying mum.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: dfwgator on August 27, 2018, 06:32:25 pm
The media has been licking their chops for months, anticipating McCain's demise as an excuse to go after Trump.  They weren't going to be denied their pound of flesh.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: txradioguy on August 27, 2018, 06:43:43 pm
The media has been licking their chops for months, anticipating McCain's demise as an excuse to go after Trump.  They weren't going to be denied their pound of flesh.

In all honesty Trump baited the hook for the media sharks with his POW statement about McCain.  In a way it's a self inflicted wound.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Jazzhead on August 27, 2018, 06:54:33 pm
In all honesty Trump baited the hook for the media sharks with his POW statement about McCain.  In a way it's a self inflicted wound.

Yup.  Trump is lauded by his supporters as a fighter,  but time and again he shows that doesn't fight smart.   He picks fights he doesn't need to, just as small children pick at scabs. 

Whatever he may feel personally about McCain, lots of the folks who he needs to support him politically respected the man as one of the party's, and the nation's, most important and influential leaders over the past 50 years.    Why alienate your friends and allies?   Why do so when it is completely unnecessary?   But it's par for the course for Trump,  who cannot comprehend the value of grace.   
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: dfwgator on August 27, 2018, 06:54:44 pm
In all honesty Trump baited the hook for the media sharks with his POW statement about McCain.  In a way it's a self inflicted wound.

Well all I can say is, who won their Presidential Election, and who lost theirs'  (to frickin' Obama of all people)
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: XenaLee on August 27, 2018, 06:55:46 pm
It appears that McCain was just as graceless as Trump.  The Daily Mail is reporting that McCain's last words were about weakening the country when we hide behind walls.   **nononono*

McCain sided with the leftist Democrats.... even on his deathbed.  So I'll continue to refrain from saying what I'm thinking....

for now.    :smokin:
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 27, 2018, 06:56:18 pm
The first sentence of the article...
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On Saturday, Senator John McCain (R-AZ) passed away at age 81. President Trump, who has had a historically awful relationship with McCain, responded in typical Trumpian fashion: he had the White House flag lowered to half-mast for the statutory period, then rose it to full height again despite the tradition of keeping the flag lowered until a sitting senator’s burial.

Not really much point in reading past that livid demonstration of ignorance on the part of the so-called reporter.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Silver Pines on August 27, 2018, 06:57:34 pm
On Saturday, Senator John McCain (R-AZ) passed away at age 81. President Trump, who has had a historically awful relationship with McCain, responded in typical Trumpian fashion: he had the White House flag lowered to half-mast for the statutory period, then rose it to full height again despite the tradition of keeping the flag lowered until a sitting senator’s burial. Trump refused to issue a presidential proclamation about McCain, instead tweeting about McCain:

Trump was not invited to McCain’s funeral; he had infamously called into question McCain’s heroism for doing five years in a Viet Cong prison, including two years of solitary confinement. Meanwhile, Trump had joked for years about avoiding STDs in the 1970s, calling it his own personal Vietnam. When asked about McCain’s death at the White House, Trump sat in stony silence.

It’s worth noting that half of the media’s enthusiasm for McCain in recent years has come as a direct result of McCain’s opposition to Trump. But whatever the reason, Trump’s behavior is egregious and beneath the office he holds. Trump is being petty and vindictive. That's no surprise.
His behavior is also dumb politics. Yes, his base loves it – any sign of militancy from Trump makes the base happy, particularly since many conservatives saw McCain as politically wishy-washy at best.

<snip>

Trump’s supporters won’t go anywhere because they have nowhere else to go. But everyone else is far less likely to give Trump the benefit of the doubt as time goes on, no matter how good the economy remains. Character does matter. Hillary had none, so Trump eked out an electoral college victory. But Trump is letting the opportunity to redefine his character and win over admirers slip through his fingers out of pure egotistic brutality.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/35077/stupidity-trumps-anti-mccain-antics-ben-shapiro (https://www.dailywire.com/news/35077/stupidity-trumps-anti-mccain-antics-ben-shapiro)

@txradioguy

You beat me to it, lol.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: TomSea on August 27, 2018, 07:03:16 pm
Bob Dole is up there in years, was the nominee.   Is he going to be treated better when he passes away? He's done a lot for the country as well. It may well be the same way.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: dfwgator on August 27, 2018, 07:04:18 pm
Bob Dole is up there in years, was the nominee.   Is he going to be treated better when he passes away? He's done a lot for the country as well. It may well be the same way.

Dole also supported the 2016 Republican nominee, wholeheartedly. 

Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Silver Pines on August 27, 2018, 07:08:32 pm
It appears that McCain was just as graceless as Trump.  The Daily Mail is reporting that McCain's last words were about weakening the country when we hide behind walls.   **nononono*

@txradioguy

It's no surprise that we didn't agree with a lot of McCain's politics, but that's never been the point of what we (you, I, and others) have been saying.  Not arguing with your point, because I know you know that already.

I listened to Dana Loesch earlier.  She's more of a Trump supporter than I thought she would be, but she read McCain's last words, and they generally weren't bad.  She noted the reference to the wall, but she said she wasn't going to begrudge him that, because as much as she disagreed with him politically, people are more than issues and more than votes they cast, and we're at the point where that truth is becoming lost. 

Dana said that she turned off comments to her social media for the first time ever she saw when hundreds of people posting things like "McCain should have died in Vietnam".  She made note that people who are bashing McCain before he's in the ground are nothing but lazy, fat-assed armchair patriots who warm their hands over the sacrifices of others.

Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: txradioguy on August 27, 2018, 07:11:21 pm
@txradioguy

It's no surprise that we didn't agree with a lot of McCain's politics, but that's never been the point of what we (you, I, and others) have been saying.  Not arguing with your point, because I know you know that already.

I listened to Dana Loesch earlier.  She's more of a Trump supporter than I thought she would be, but she read McCain's last words, and they generally weren't bad.  She noted the reference to the wall, but she said she wasn't going to begrudge him that, because as much as she disagreed with him politically, people are more than issues and more than votes they cast, and we're at the point where that truth is becoming lost. 

Dana said that she turned off comments to her social media for the first time ever she saw when hundreds of people posting things like "McCain should have died in Vietnam".  She made note that people who are bashing McCain before he's in the ground are nothing but lazy, fat-assed armchair patriots who warm their hands over the sacrifices of others.

@CatherineofAragon couldn't have said it better myself.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: the_doc on August 27, 2018, 07:12:45 pm
In all honesty Trump baited the hook for the media sharks with his POW statement about McCain.  In a way it's a self inflicted wound.

Maybe the POTUS has a plan to gaff the media sharks.  There is a lot of intel about McCain that the majority of voters don't know about.  I think POTUS comes across as tactless and tasteless, but maybe he has patriotic reasons for hating McCain.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Silver Pines on August 27, 2018, 07:15:19 pm
@CatherineofAragon couldn't have said it better myself.

@txradioguy

That's why I like her...she tells the truth and doesn't care who likes it, or not.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: corbe on August 27, 2018, 07:15:20 pm
There was gonna be a dogpile regardless of what Trump said or didn't say about McCain. He's right for just staying mum.

 :thumbsup:

   As did most of us here @skeeter
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: dfwgator on August 27, 2018, 07:15:22 pm
I won't excuse those kinds of statements against McCain.  But it's born out of frustration with one milquetoast Republican after another who refused to fight the Democrats,   guys like Romney and McCain.   As I've pointed out many times,  the press was just as nasty towards McCain in 2008, as they are against Trump today.   Where does being nice get us?  Ok,  great, you can take the high road and have your precious purity.  Is it any consolation when the Democrats are running roughshod? 

Is Trump always effective? No.  But my God at least finally there is somebody, anybody who can stand up to them.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: INVAR on August 27, 2018, 07:15:58 pm
Well, then there was the stupidity of McCain's anti-Conservative antics.

Color me unmoved by the fact the flag is not at half-mast.  McCain planned a funeral for himself grander than that of a beloved president.  So he has his reward.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Silver Pines on August 27, 2018, 07:16:33 pm
Maybe the POTUS has a plan to gaff the media sharks.  There is a lot of intel about McCain that the majority of voters don't know about.  I think POTUS comes across as tactless and tasteless, but maybe he has patriotic reasons for hating McCain.

@the_doc

No doubt that's true of the three-time deferment king who served his time by avoiding STDs.  Patriot Trump.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: the_doc on August 27, 2018, 07:22:29 pm
@the_doc

No doubt that's true of the three-time deferment king who served his time by avoiding STDs.  Patriot Trump.

Oh, I have never said that Trump is not a reprobate.  But that's beside the point. 
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Frank Cannon on August 27, 2018, 07:25:10 pm
Ben Shapiro is a worthless azzhole. He is a rabid anti-Trumper which makes him A) stupid because whatever candidate he pimped for (Cruz) lost his ass in an embarrassing fashion and B) he is forced to defend a sleazy and corrupt to the core establishment hack like McCain to make his laughable points.

Silly Bennie was about 4 when Keating 5 hit and 8 when Cindy McCain skated on felony drug charges due to Crazy Johnnie's influence, so he may not be aware that he is about as low shelf and worthless as a bucket of dead maggots. If he did he would know that defending him to a large segment of the population is a joke.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Free Vulcan on August 27, 2018, 07:32:48 pm
McCain literally gave Trump the finger from the grave. While he was alive he gave as good as he got.

Let's just call it a draw.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: XenaLee on August 27, 2018, 07:33:36 pm
Well, then there was the stupidity of McCain's anti-Conservative antics.

Color me unmoved by the fact the flag is not at half-mast.  McCain planned a funeral for himself grander than that of a beloved president.  So he has his reward.

Even Rick Roberts, albeit generally respectful, is dismayed that McCain requested that Trump not attend his funeral.   I mean... who (but a rabid leftie) does that?    :shrug:

Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: the_doc on August 27, 2018, 07:34:53 pm
Ben Shapiro is a worthless azzhole. He is a rabid anti-Trumper which makes him A) stupid because whatever candidate he pimped for (Cruz) lost his ass in an embarrassing fashion and B) he is forced to defend a sleazy and corrupt to the core establishment hack like McCain to make his laughable points.

Silly Bennie was about 4 when Keating 5 hit and 8 when Cindy McCain skated on felony drug charges due to Crazy Johnnie's influence, so he may not be aware that he is about as low shelf and worthless as a bucket of dead maggots. If he did he would know that defending him to a large segment of the population is a joke.

My goodness, Frank, you're being eloquent again.  (Actually, I cut Ben some slack, because he is suffering from a pretty widespread disease of MIS--McCain Ignorance Syndrome.)
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: dfwgator on August 27, 2018, 07:35:54 pm
McCain literally gave Trump the finger from the grave. While he was alive he gave as good as he got.

Let's just call it a draw.

Compare and contrast with....

(https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/cc6b806/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fs3-origin-images.politico.com%2F2012%2F11%2F27%2F121127_clinton_mccain_605.jpg)

Clinton recalls doing vodka shots with McCain during official trip
https://nypost.com/2018/08/26/clinton-recalls-doing-vodka-shots-with-mccain-during-official-trip/
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: XenaLee on August 27, 2018, 07:37:19 pm
Compare and contrast with....

(https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/cc6b806/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fs3-origin-images.politico.com%2F2012%2F11%2F27%2F121127_clinton_mccain_605.jpg)

Clinton recalls doing vodka shots with McCain during official trip
https://nypost.com/2018/08/26/clinton-recalls-doing-vodka-shots-with-mccain-during-official-trip/

Gag me re: that look on his face.   Seriously.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Millee on August 27, 2018, 07:37:38 pm
The media has been licking their chops for months, anticipating McCain's demise as an excuse to go after Trump.  They weren't going to be denied their pound of flesh.

The media acts like they expect Trump to don sackcloth and ashes.   *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: XenaLee on August 27, 2018, 07:39:58 pm
The media acts like they expect Trump to don sackcloth and ashes.   *****rollingeyes*****

The leftist media pressholes are such flaming hypocrites.   Especially since... we know for a fact that if/when one of their political enemies dies, they're popping champagne and dancing like it's 1999.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: dfwgator on August 27, 2018, 07:42:01 pm
Gag me re: that look on his face.   Seriously.

I'm sorry, but everytime I think that maybe Trump should have been nicer to McCain, I think of that pic with Hillary.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: XenaLee on August 27, 2018, 07:43:59 pm
I'm sorry, but everytime I think that maybe Trump should have been nicer to McCain, I think of that pic with Hillary.

I think of how he, true to form, killed the ObamaCare repeal.  Of course... now he doesn't have to "live" with those consequences, like the rest of America does, now.  Convenient.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: dfwgator on August 27, 2018, 07:45:03 pm
I think of how he, true to form, killed the ObamaCare repeal.  Of course... now he doesn't have to "live" with those consequences, like the rest of America does, now.  Convenient.

And they did Vodka shots, to boot.....Vodka is Russian, right?   COLLUSION!
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 27, 2018, 07:46:11 pm
Whatever he may feel personally about McCain, lots of the folks who he needs to support him politically respected the man as one of the party's, and the nation's, most important and influential leaders over the past 50 years.   

Oh, bullshit. The vast majority of folks did not respect McCain politically or individually. They used him--but hated him.   No one except liberals and rabid NTs (sorry for being redundant) will hold this against the President.  Hell, even the liberals understand and I bet they're silently high-fiving the President's brass.

And I'm not kidding.  I was working with a Republican lobbying firm in 2008. One of our missions was to collect contributions and arrange fundraisers with wealthy individuals known for their Republican persuasion.  You know ... the faithful millionaires.   Holy Mary, Mother of God the reaction was stunning.  Hang-ups usually after a tirade of  'not one dime for: that "bastard", "m-effer", "crazy SOB"  were the norm.  At one meeting with Republican donors a suggestion that he should've been left at the Hilton received sustained applause.  (Nothing left to do after that display but reconvene at the bar)

It took a lot of hand holding and begging to reach 3/4 of our goal --- even though the 100% goal was low balled to begin with.  I had one "patron" tell me shortly after Obama's election:  "This is going to be bad.  Real, real bad.  But we still dodged a bullet."

So claiming McCain was "politically respected as one of the party's, and the nation's, most important and influential leaders over the past 50 years" is pure fantasy.   In fact if you stop for a second and listen carefully you can hear the whistling of "Ding Dong the Bastard's Dead" wafting through the streets of Washington. 


Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: dfwgator on August 27, 2018, 07:48:42 pm
Lest ye forget how the typical liberal idiots felt about McCain back in 2008, when he was running against their Kenyan God, here is but one example....

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7jyy0pZu7k#)
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: XenaLee on August 27, 2018, 07:49:46 pm
And they did Vodka shots, to boot.....Vodka is Russian, right?   COLLUSION!

Only if it's Stoli...lol.

But seriously... I need to follow up on what Rush was talking about today re: the rich Russian oligarch (there's that word again...shudder)... that McCain met with right before his 2008 run for pres.  The media never made a peep about it, of course.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Silver Pines on August 27, 2018, 07:57:05 pm
Oh, I have never said that Trump is not a reprobate.  But that's beside the point.

@the_doc

Speak for yourself.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Silver Pines on August 27, 2018, 07:59:25 pm
Ben Shapiro is a worthless azzhole. He is a rabid anti-Trumper which makes him A) stupid because whatever candidate he pimped for (Cruz) lost his ass in an embarrassing fashion and B) he is forced to defend a sleazy and corrupt to the core establishment hack like McCain to make his laughable points.

Silly Bennie was about 4 when Keating 5 hit and 8 when Cindy McCain skated on felony drug charges due to Crazy Johnnie's influence, so he may not be aware that he is about as low shelf and worthless as a bucket of dead maggots. If he did he would know that defending him to a large segment of the population is a joke.

Lmao
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Suppressed on August 27, 2018, 08:37:59 pm
Ben Shapiro is a worthless azzhole. He is a rabid anti-Trumper [...]

Uh, nope.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGcdPakoytg#)
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 27, 2018, 08:40:10 pm
She made note that people who are bashing McCain before he's in the ground are nothing but lazy, fat-assed armchair patriots who warm their hands over the sacrifices of others.

Which sounds  whole lot like "People can't criticize McCain's actions because he was a war hero."   And people wonder how he got elected to office so many times....
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Jazzhead on August 27, 2018, 08:42:19 pm
Oh, bullshit. The vast majority of folks did not respect McCain politically or individually. They used him--but hated him.   No one except liberals and rabid NTs (sorry for being redundant) will hold this against the President.  Hell, even the liberals understand and I bet they're silently high-fiving the President's brass.

And I'm not kidding.  I was working with a Republican lobbying firm in 2008. One of our missions was to collect contributions and arrange fundraisers with wealthy individuals known for their Republican persuasion.  You know ... the faithful millionaires.   Holy Mary, Mother of God the reaction was stunning.  Hang-ups usually after a tirade of  'not one dime for: that "bastard", "m-effer", "crazy SOB"  were the norm.  At one meeting with Republican donors a suggestion that he should've been left at the Hilton received sustained applause.  (Nothing left to do after that display but reconvene at the bar)

It took a lot of hand holding and begging to reach 3/4 of our goal --- even though the 100% goal was low balled to begin with.  I had one "patron" tell me shortly after Obama's election:  "This is going to be bad.  Real, real bad.  But we still dodged a bullet."

So claiming McCain was "politically respected as one of the party's, and the nation's, most important and influential leaders over the past 50 years" is pure fantasy.   In fact if you stop for a second and listen carefully you can hear the whistling of "Ding Dong the Bastard's Dead" wafting through the streets of Washington.

The point of my post wasn't to defend McCain (although I proudly voted for him for President).  My point is that, despite Trump's reputation as a fighter, he keep choosing the wrong,  unnecessary fights and antagonizes needlessly those who would otherwise support him.   

What the hell is the point of being petty and vindictive toward John McCain now that he has passed on?   Did Trump ever in his life consider the virtues of grace?   
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: XenaLee on August 27, 2018, 08:44:43 pm
The point of my post wasn't to defend McCain (although I proudly voted for him for President).  My point is that, despite Trump's reputation as a fighter, he keep choosing the wrong,  unnecessary fights and antagonizes needlessly those who would otherwise support him.   

What the hell is the point of being petty and vindictive toward John McCain now that he has passed on?   Did Trump ever in his life consider the virtues of grace?

Oye ve.... my how the woim has toined. 
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: dfwgator on August 27, 2018, 08:44:56 pm


What the hell is the point of being petty and vindictive toward John McCain now that he has passed on?   Did Trump ever in his life consider the virtues of grace?

Apparently he has, the flags will be at half-staff until Saturday.

(I'm sure that's more than the real Vietnam Hero, Jeremiah Denton got)
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: XenaLee on August 27, 2018, 08:46:14 pm
Apparently he has, the flags will be at half-staff until Saturday.

(I'm sure that's more than the real Vietnam Hero, Jeremiah Denton got)

It won't matter.   They'll still find a reason (excuse) to bitch.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: dfwgator on August 27, 2018, 08:50:53 pm
It won't matter.   They'll still find a reason (excuse) to bitch.

It's funny that the "All This For a Damn Flag" crowd care about this.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 27, 2018, 08:53:59 pm
There was gonna be a dogpile regardless of what Trump said or didn't say about McCain. He's right for just staying mum.


Correct. McCain is the vile and foul person. All kind of videos, show that. Just google.  What does one say about a traitor to Americans?
Hundred of military lives lost, because of McCain. Those men from Vietnam era, know what he did.  Then the 100 + who died on Navy ship and 344 injured because of McCains shenanigans.  SOROS paid since 2001.  That so many DEMON-RATS support McCain, should give people a clue. He was a shill for democrats.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: ABX on August 27, 2018, 08:54:50 pm
Yup.  Trump is lauded by his supporters as a fighter,  but time and again he shows that doesn't fight smart.   He picks fights he doesn't need to, just as small children pick at scabs. 

Whatever he may feel personally about McCain, lots of the folks who he needs to support him politically respected the man as one of the party's, and the nation's, most important and influential leaders over the past 50 years.    Why alienate your friends and allies?   Why do so when it is completely unnecessary?   But it's par for the course for Trump,  who cannot comprehend the value of grace.

If you work at a zoo, and monkeys start flinging poop at you, you have three choices.

1. Step away so you don't get poo on you and let monkeys do what they do.
2. Get a tranquilizer gun and put the monkeys to sleep until they calm down.
3. Drop your pants, take a big old steamer in your hand, and fling it back.

Usually when people say 'he fights', they are referring to option #3.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: XenaLee on August 27, 2018, 08:55:10 pm
It's funny that the "All This For a Damn Flag" crowd care about this.

Yeah.... and remember.... these are the same azholes that hated and loathed our US Military during the Bush years (and the O'Barry years too).... and are perfectly fine with their cohorts burning and committing other "actions" to our flag.  Such flaming effing hypocrites, they are.   They politicize EVERY thing.  It's how commies roll.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 27, 2018, 09:05:01 pm
Yup.  Trump is lauded by his supporters as a fighter,  but time and again he shows that doesn't fight smart.   He picks fights he doesn't need to, just as small children pick at scabs. 

Whatever he may feel personally about McCain, lots of the folks who he needs to support him politically respected the man as one of the party's, and the nation's, most important and influential leaders over the past 50 years.    Why alienate your friends and allies?   Why do so when it is completely unnecessary?   But it's par for the course for Trump,  who cannot comprehend the value of grace.


Man, all wrong and backwards.  So easy to check out real facts about traitor McCain.  President elect TRUMP, was correct what he said
two years ago. You want to bring that up, again?   TWO YEARS AGO.  No hero. POS. The reason it upset pos McCain, because it is true. No hero.
Why don't some of you google to understand the REAL VILE AND FOUL MCCAIN. SOROS PAID since 2001. No friend of the American people. How do any, of you not, get that?  Meeting with ISIS and wanting a sleep over with them. You know why. Cheated on first wife Carol, and no doubt , Cindy too. All he things you blame Trump for, not supporting him, yet, Trump did not cause the death of hundreds of Americans, like McCain, DID. I see no logic.  I see double standard.


https://youtu.be/0f53-j7QKR0
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: dfwgator on August 27, 2018, 09:06:21 pm
If you work at a zoo, and monkeys start flinging poop at you, you have three choices.

1. Step away so you don't get poo on you and let monkeys do what they do.
2. Get a tranquilizer gun and put the monkeys to sleep until they calm down.
3. Drop your pants, take a big old steamer in your hand, and fling it back.

Usually when people say 'he fights', they are referring to option #3.

Some fighter Trump is, he caved.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 27, 2018, 09:07:32 pm
The point of my post wasn't to defend McCain (although I proudly voted for him for President). 

The point of my post was to explain to you what you did not know you did not know.  The glorification of John McCain as one of the most prominent and important leaders of our time whom so many respect and admire is fabrication.  Warning:  McCain's halo is going to get brighter in an effort to smear and diminish the President.  I only offer this warning because, of late, you have appeared pretty susceptible to the bullshit.

Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: dfwgator on August 27, 2018, 09:14:58 pm
The point of my post was to explain to you what you did not know you did not know.  The glorification of John McCain as one of the most prominent and important leaders of our time whom so many respect and admire is fabrication.  Warning:  McCain's halo is going to get brighter in an effort to smear and diminish the President.  I only offer this warning because, of late, you have appeared pretty susceptible to the bullshit.

(https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/7f7a0bd5-3e39-470d-8171-e968ecb20720_1.ddf6d73039dc93e6de62ca1da317d45b.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=FFFFFF)
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 27, 2018, 09:17:17 pm
Oh, bullshit. The vast majority of folks did not respect McCain politically or individually. They used him--but hated him.   No one except liberals and rabid NTs (sorry for being redundant) will hold this against the President.  Hell, even the liberals understand and I bet they're silently high-fiving the President's brass.

And I'm not kidding.  I was working with a Republican lobbying firm in 2008. One of our missions was to collect contributions and arrange fundraisers with wealthy individuals known for their Republican persuasion.  You know ... the faithful millionaires.   Holy Mary, Mother of God the reaction was stunning.  Hang-ups usually after a tirade of  'not one dime for: that "bastard", "m-effer", "crazy SOB"  were the norm.  At one meeting with Republican donors a suggestion that he should've been left at the Hilton received sustained applause.  (Nothing left to do after that display but reconvene at the bar)

It took a lot of hand holding and begging to reach 3/4 of our goal --- even though the 100% goal was low balled to begin with.  I had one "patron" tell me shortly after Obama's election:  "This is going to be bad.  Real, real bad.  But we still dodged a bullet."

So claiming McCain was "politically respected as one of the party's, and the nation's, most important and influential leaders over the past 50 years" is pure fantasy.   In fact if you stop for a second and listen carefully you can hear the whistling of "Ding Dong the Bastard's Dead" wafting through the streets of Washington.


I cannot give you enough high 5^'s,  on your post!   McCain was working for SOROS and the democrats, not for the American people .
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

https://youtu.be/XCXOZpwT2ek
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 27, 2018, 09:22:54 pm


Vile McCain. 

https://youtu.be/HwTKM_u-7j4
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Frank Cannon on August 27, 2018, 10:05:54 pm

Vile McCain. 

https://youtu.be/HwTKM_u-7j4

I'm glad you are here so that my comments look moderate and sensible.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: corbe on August 27, 2018, 10:10:37 pm
   No, @Frank Cannon you don't get off that easy, your comments are STILL vile and retched.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Frank Cannon on August 27, 2018, 10:14:35 pm
   No, @Frank Cannon you don't get off that easy, your comments are STILL vile and retched.

My comments are the glue that bind this site together.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Axeslinger on August 27, 2018, 10:18:14 pm
My comments are the glue that bind this site together.

Thank God you don’t think too highly of yourself.  It’s good that you’re so grounded.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 27, 2018, 10:26:28 pm

I cannot give you enough high 5^'s,  on your post!   McCain was working for SOROS and the democrats, not for the American people .

Well, I know nothing personally or by innuendo, rumor or anyone's witness that McCain was working for Soros.

So I'm giving you a thumbs down.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: truth_seeker on August 27, 2018, 10:29:54 pm
McCaain and Trump ran for President.

Trump won.

The two men disliked each other.

McCain is gone now. RIP.

Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 27, 2018, 10:41:39 pm
Well, I know nothing personally or by innuendo, rumor or anyone's witness that McCain was working for Soros.

So I'm giving you a thumbs down.

Hedgefund, has it documented. Then Soros backed one of McCains business ventures. 2001.  I tried to get my other computer, running. Paid a young man 40 bucks. He says I am missing some wires/plug-ins. So, that is where it stands. Most of my back up is on my desktop, not on my lap top.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 27, 2018, 10:52:54 pm
 I googled.
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Records: Soros Fund Execs Funded Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, John McCain, John Kasich, Lindsey Graham in 2016


soros-godfather-left MRCMRC
6 Feb 2017

Washington, D.C.30,086

**Employees of a hedge fund founded by the king of the Institutional Left, billionaire and Democratic Party mega-donor George Soros, donated tens of thousands of dollars to top Republicans who fought against President Donald Trump in 2016, donation records compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics show.**

Soros Fund Management, a former hedge fund that serves now as an investment management firm, was founded by progressive billionaire George Soros in 1969. It has risen to become one of the most profitable hedge funds in the industry. Employees of the firm are heavily involved in backing political candidates giving millions upon millions to groups that were supporting failed 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Rodham Clinton for the presidency.

But more importantly, perhaps, than the unsurprising giant lump sums of cash funneled into Democratic Party and Clinton coffers is the revelation thanks to the Center for Responsive Politics that employees of the Soros firm—now run by his son Robert Soros—pumped tens of thousands of dollars into the campaigns of top anti-Trump Republicans over the course of 2016.

In total, executives with the Soros-founded company pushed $36,800 into the coffers of these GOP candidates just this past cycle. That does not include Super PACs or campaign committees, which saw tens of thousands of dollars more.

While these numbers for Republicans pale in comparison to the millions upon millions poured into Democratic groups, causes, and candidates, it is significant that Soros executives are making a play inside the GOP. Perhaps even more significant is the type of Republican they aim to prop up: pro-amnesty, pro-open borders on trade, and generally speaking anti-Trump. A pattern emerges when looking at the policies of the Republicans that these Soros Fund Management executives support financially.

The biggest recipient of Soros-connected cash in the GOP was none other than House Speaker Paul Ryan, who repeatedly attempted to undermine Trump over the course of the election. According to the records available online, the Soros firm’s workers gave $10,800 to Ryan. Included in that are two separate May 2, 2016, donations from David Rogers, a then-employee of Soros Fund Management who lives in New York City. Rogers left the Soros Fund Management firm right around that time.

Bloomberg reported in late April 2016, just before these two separate donations to Ryan;

David Rogers and Joshua Donfeld, two portfolio managers at billionaire George Soros’s family office, are leaving the firm over disagreements with its new chief investment officer about the direction of global markets, according to people with knowledge of the matter. Rogers, a protege of Soros’s former chief investment strategist Stan Druckenmiller, managed a portfolio of about $3 billion at the $28 billion Soros Fund Management, said the people, who asked not to be named because the matter is private. Rogers, 38, made his name as a commodities trader, while Donfeld, 40, focuses on stock investing, said the people, adding that both men are expected to leave the family office next month.

Another two separate donations to Ryan came from Donfeld, both on May 2, 2016 and totaling $2,700 each. In total, that adds up to $10,800—between both Rogers and Donfeld, who were working for Soros Fund Management at the time—that they gave to Paul Ryan.

Ryan’s chief spokesman, Brendan Buck, has not responded to a Breitbart News’s inquiry about the donations from the Soros firm’s employees. But Ryan’s support for open borders when it comes to immigration and trade, and his backing of so-called “criminal justice reform” legislation, is in line with Soros’ worldview—and he regularly bashed Trump over the course of the 2016 election.

But he was hardly the only anti-Trump Republican who received cash from Soros Fund Management employees over the course of 2016. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), a failed presidential candidate, received $3,500 from the firm’s employees, according to the Center for Responsive Politics data. That includes a $1,500 donation from Soros Fund Management executive Scott Bessent. Bessent has since left the firm to work at a different hedge fund, but “oversaw George Soros’s $30 billion fortune for the last four years” according to an early January 2016 article in Bloomberg. The other two donations to Graham from the firm’s employees—both worth $1,000, with one on March 17, 2015, and the other on July 29, 2015—came from Alexander Cohen, an executive with Soros Fund Management.

Graham spokesman Kevin Bishop argues that since Soros himself didn’t give Graham money that this is not controversial.

“George Soros has never given a penny to Lindsey Graham,” Bishop said in an email. “George Soros Fund Management has never given a penny to Lindsey Graham. These are donations from individuals who are employed by Soros Fund Management.”

Bishop compared this to an employee for Amway or for the Trump Organization making a donation to Sen. Bernie Sanders’ campaign in 2016, something that would mean that employee–not Amway owners like the DeVos family or President Trump or his family–is the one making the donation. But Bishop does not deny that Graham did take a donation from Soros Fund Management employees.

Fellow failed presidential candidate Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) raked in $2,700, while other failed GOP presidential candidates Ohio Gov. John Kasich and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush also received $2,700 apiece from employees of the Soros firm.

Rubio’s $2,700 donation came from the aforementioned Los Angeles-based Donfeld on Jan. 22, 2016, a few months before, as Bloomberg reported, he and Rogers left the firm. Kasich’s $2,700 donation came from Bessent on Oct. 24, 2015. Bush’s $2,700 donation came on July 24, 2015, from David Murphy of Soros Fund Management. Murphy, according to his LinkedIN page, is a current “portfolio manager” at the firm.

Kasich’s spokesman Chris Schrimpf did not respond to a request for comment, nor did Bush’s spokeswoman Kristy Campbell.

A spokesman for Rubio, Matt Wolking, vociferously defended the senator, calling this story in Breitbart News—without having read it because it wasn’t written until long after he responded to inquiries about this matter—a “fake” story since Rubio didn’t get donations directly from George Soros himself and since hedge funds as companies cannot make donations to federal candidates. Breitbart News never alleged that Rubio did get donations directly from George Soros himself, but was inquiring with Rubio’s staff if the senator had a comment on why he did take donations from an executive at George Soros’s hedge fund. That fact, that Rubio did take cash from a Soros Fund Management executive—and that that fund was founded by George Soros—is not something Wolking, on Rubio’s behalf, challenges. So what his team is doing is creating a straw man argument to falsely claim this story is “fake.”

“This story is a fake,” Wolking told Breitbart News. “Senator Rubio has never received any contribution from George Soros. And he has never received any contribution from the Soros company because, among other things, companies can’t donate to federal candidates.”

**But more importantly, a Rubio spokesman did admit that the FEC filing is correct—that Rubio took a $2,700 donation from Donfeld. The Rubio spokesman argues that Donfeld donated “almost exclusively” to GOP candidates over the years—which is mostly true, as Donfeld has given to people like Ryan, Rubio, Sen. Roy Blunt (R-MO), Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), Sen. Steve Daines (R-MT), and 2012 GOP Ohio Senate nominee Josh Mandel, among others. But Donfeld, whom the Rubio spokesman points out and as Breitbart News mentioned earlier in this piece, left the Soros firm after making this donation to Rubio, has donated to Democrats like Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA), Rep. Eliot Engel (D-NY), and a failed Democratic congressional candidate in Arizona’s 9th congressional district in 2012, Andrei Cherny.

**Anti-Trump Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), a failed one-time GOP presidential nominee from 2008, got $2,500 from an executive at the Soros firm, while Boehner—who resigned amid a coup from conservatives—raked in $2,600 from an executive at the Soros firm.**

McCain’s $2,500 this cycle came from Donfeld of Soros Fund Management on Sept. 23, 2015. In previous cycles, McCain has taken cash directly from George Soros himself—a $1,000 donation on June 2, 1999—and from others with the firm, including a $1,000 donation from Bessent on March 13, 2000, a $2,300 donation from Soros Fund Management’s Michael Au on Dec. 27, 2007, a $1,000 donation from Duncan Hennes of Soros Fund Management on March 13, 2000, and a $2,300 donation from Soros Fund Management’s Joshua Berkowitz on Jan. 15, 2008. McCain’s spokeswoman, Julie Tarallo, has not responded to multiple requests for comment from Breitbart News.

Boehner’s $2,600 donation this cycle came from Bessent of Soros Fund Management on Feb. 12, 2015. The media relations department at Reynolds American, the tobacco company of which Boehner joined the board after resigning from Congress in 2015, has not responded to a request for comment on his behalf.

Now former Rep. Joe Heck (R-NV), the 2016 Republican nominee for U.S. Senate in Nevada who lost his election after he withdrew his endorsement of Trump in the general election, also received $2,500 from an executive at Soros Fund Management, while Rep. Carlos Curbelo (R-FL)—a “Never Trump” congressman who voted for a third-party candidate because he refused to support the GOP nominee for president—received $1,000 from an executive at the Soros family firm.

Heck’s $2,500 donation on Sept. 29, 2016, came from Soros Fund Management’s Sender Cohen. According to the Israel on Campus Coalition, another organization for which Sender Cohen serves as director, he is a “Portfolio Manager, the Director of Research and member of the Management Committee at Soros Fund Management.” Heck’s spokesman from the campaign has not responded to a request for comment on Monday.

Curbelo’s $1,000 donation came on June 5, 2015, from Paul Sohn, a former executive with Soros Fund Management. Sohn had already left the firm earlier in the year, as it was reported on CNBC in January 2015 that Sohn had left Soros Fund Management after his involvement in a controversial investment. That is months before he reported on this June 2015 Federal Election Commission (FEC) filing for this Curbelo donation that his employer was Soros Fund Management. A Curbelo spokeswoman has not responded to a request for comment.

Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA), the House GOP conference chairwoman, got $1,000 from an official with Soros Fund Management. The independent and wildly unsuccessful general election candidate Evan McMullin—whom Trump has called “McMuffin” in jest after his failure—is a former staffer of hers. McMullin, who turned out to fail fantastically on election day despite media fanfare about his candidacy, was previously a McMorris Rodgers staffer as chief policy director for nearly two years in the House GOP conference before his whimsical bid at the presidency that went nowhere and had essentially zero impact on the race. Rodgers’ $1,000 donation this cycle came from Alexander Cohen of Soros Fund Management on March 13, 2015.

“The Congresswoman receives thousands of donations from individuals in Washington State and across the country who believe in her mission to restore the people’s voice in government,” a spokesman for McMorris Rodgers told Breitbart News.

The spokesman also says that McMorris Rodgers has no responsibility for McMullin, and cut ties with him as soon as media outlets reported his intention to run as an independent against Trump.

“The House Republican Conference has zero knowledge of his intentions,” a McMorris Rodgers spokesman said when McMullin launched his bid.

The only few Republicans who received Soros Fund Management cash but did support Trump were Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI), Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA), Rep. Dan Donovan (R-NY), and Rep. Ed Royce (R-CA). Royce received $2,500 from the firm, Johnson and Grassley each received $1,000, and Donovan received $300. Johnson’s $1,000 donation came on April 15, 2016, from Alexander Cohen of Soros Fund Management, as did Grassley’s, which came on Oct. 13, 2015. Donovan’s $300 donation came from Christopher Rich of Soros Fund Management on April 20, 2015. Royce’s $2,500 donation came from Sender Cohen of Soros Fund Management on March 31, 2016. Spokespersons for Johnson, Donovan and Royce have not responded to Breitbart News’s requests for comment. A spokesperson for Grassley did not have a comment.

2016 Presidential Race Big Government Carlos Curbelo,Cathy McMorrisRodgers,Chuck Grassley,Ed Royce,Evan McMullin ,George Soros ,Jeb Bush, John Boehner, Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio ,Paul Ryan, Ron Johnson
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 27, 2018, 10:55:58 pm
Make of it what you will.
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Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 27, 2018, 11:04:00 pm
I googled.
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Records: Soros Fund Execs Funded Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, John McCain, John Kasich, Lindsey Graham in 2016


Can you provide the link to that Google search?  If that's all from one article, it needs to be excerpted.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Silver Pines on August 27, 2018, 11:09:30 pm
Which sounds  whole lot like "People can't criticize McCain's actions because he was a war hero."   And people wonder how he got elected to office so many times....

@Cyber Liberty

Like I posted, that comment of hers was in response to "McCain should have died in Vietnam", etc.  That kind of garbage doesn't deserve a slapdown?

Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 27, 2018, 11:16:27 pm
@Cyber Liberty

Like I posted, that comment of hers was in response to "McCain should have died in Vietnam", etc.  That kind of garbage doesn't deserve a slapdown?

That deserves a slapdown.  I had to edit that comment down quite a bit to get to the nub of the comment.  My bad.

Having experienced numerous successful McCain campaigns, I can tell you he waved that bloody shirt with the same gusto Obastard waved his race card.  That's what I was getting at.  Wishing somebody had died in battle would be a bit beyond the pale.  It would be like wishing Benedict Arnold died in the battle in which he was severely injured.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: txradioguy on August 27, 2018, 11:30:16 pm
I googled.
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Records: Soros Fund Execs Funded Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, John McCain, John Kasich, Lindsey Graham in 2016


soros-godfather-left MRCMRC
6 Feb 2017

Washington, D.C.30,086

**Employees of a hedge fund founded by the king of the Institutional Left, billionaire and Democratic Party mega-donor George Soros, donated tens of thousands of dollars to top Republicans who fought against President Donald Trump in 2016, donation records compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics show.**

Soros Fund Management, a former hedge fund that serves now as an investment management firm, was founded by progressive billionaire George Soros in 1969. It has risen to become one of the most profitable hedge funds in the industry. Employees of the firm are heavily involved in backing political candidates giving millions upon millions to groups that were supporting failed 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Rodham Clinton for the presidency.

But more importantly, perhaps, than the unsurprising giant lump sums of cash funneled into Democratic Party and Clinton coffers is the revelation thanks to the Center for Responsive Politics that employees of the Soros firm—now run by his son Robert Soros—pumped tens of thousands of dollars into the campaigns of top anti-Trump Republicans over the course of 2016.

In total, executives with the Soros-founded company pushed $36,800 into the coffers of these GOP candidates just this past cycle. That does not include Super PACs or campaign committees, which saw tens of thousands of dollars more.

While these numbers for Republicans pale in comparison to the millions upon millions poured into Democratic groups, causes, and candidates, it is significant that Soros executives are making a play inside the GOP. Perhaps even more significant is the type of Republican they aim to prop up: pro-amnesty, pro-open borders on trade, and generally speaking anti-Trump. A pattern emerges when looking at the policies of the Republicans that these Soros Fund Management executives support financially.

The biggest recipient of Soros-connected cash in the GOP was none other than House Speaker Paul Ryan, who repeatedly attempted to undermine Trump over the course of the election. According to the records available online, the Soros firm’s workers gave $10,800 to Ryan. Included in that are two separate May 2, 2016, donations from David Rogers, a then-employee of Soros Fund Management who lives in New York City. Rogers left the Soros Fund Management firm right around that time.

Bloomberg reported in late April 2016, just before these two separate donations to Ryan;

David Rogers and Joshua Donfeld, two portfolio managers at billionaire George Soros’s family office, are leaving the firm over disagreements with its new chief investment officer about the direction of global markets, according to people with knowledge of the matter. Rogers, a protege of Soros’s former chief investment strategist Stan Druckenmiller, managed a portfolio of about $3 billion at the $28 billion Soros Fund Management, said the people, who asked not to be named because the matter is private. Rogers, 38, made his name as a commodities trader, while Donfeld, 40, focuses on stock investing, said the people, adding that both men are expected to leave the family office next month.

Another two separate donations to Ryan came from Donfeld, both on May 2, 2016 and totaling $2,700 each. In total, that adds up to $10,800—between both Rogers and Donfeld, who were working for Soros Fund Management at the time—that they gave to Paul Ryan.

Ryan’s chief spokesman, Brendan Buck, has not responded to a Breitbart News’s inquiry about the donations from the Soros firm’s employees. But Ryan’s support for open borders when it comes to immigration and trade, and his backing of so-called “criminal justice reform” legislation, is in line with Soros’ worldview—and he regularly bashed Trump over the course of the 2016 election.

But he was hardly the only anti-Trump Republican who received cash from Soros Fund Management employees over the course of 2016. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), a failed presidential candidate, received $3,500 from the firm’s employees, according to the Center for Responsive Politics data. That includes a $1,500 donation from Soros Fund Management executive Scott Bessent. Bessent has since left the firm to work at a different hedge fund, but “oversaw George Soros’s $30 billion fortune for the last four years” according to an early January 2016 article in Bloomberg. The other two donations to Graham from the firm’s employees—both worth $1,000, with one on March 17, 2015, and the other on July 29, 2015—came from Alexander Cohen, an executive with Soros Fund Management.

Graham spokesman Kevin Bishop argues that since Soros himself didn’t give Graham money that this is not controversial.

“George Soros has never given a penny to Lindsey Graham,” Bishop said in an email. “George Soros Fund Management has never given a penny to Lindsey Graham. These are donations from individuals who are employed by Soros Fund Management.”

Bishop compared this to an employee for Amway or for the Trump Organization making a donation to Sen. Bernie Sanders’ campaign in 2016, something that would mean that employee–not Amway owners like the DeVos family or President Trump or his family–is the one making the donation. But Bishop does not deny that Graham did take a donation from Soros Fund Management employees.

Fellow failed presidential candidate Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) raked in $2,700, while other failed GOP presidential candidates Ohio Gov. John Kasich and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush also received $2,700 apiece from employees of the Soros firm.

Rubio’s $2,700 donation came from the aforementioned Los Angeles-based Donfeld on Jan. 22, 2016, a few months before, as Bloomberg reported, he and Rogers left the firm. Kasich’s $2,700 donation came from Bessent on Oct. 24, 2015. Bush’s $2,700 donation came on July 24, 2015, from David Murphy of Soros Fund Management. Murphy, according to his LinkedIN page, is a current “portfolio manager” at the firm.

Kasich’s spokesman Chris Schrimpf did not respond to a request for comment, nor did Bush’s spokeswoman Kristy Campbell.

A spokesman for Rubio, Matt Wolking, vociferously defended the senator, calling this story in Breitbart News—without having read it because it wasn’t written until long after he responded to inquiries about this matter—a “fake” story since Rubio didn’t get donations directly from George Soros himself and since hedge funds as companies cannot make donations to federal candidates. Breitbart News never alleged that Rubio did get donations directly from George Soros himself, but was inquiring with Rubio’s staff if the senator had a comment on why he did take donations from an executive at George Soros’s hedge fund. That fact, that Rubio did take cash from a Soros Fund Management executive—and that that fund was founded by George Soros—is not something Wolking, on Rubio’s behalf, challenges. So what his team is doing is creating a straw man argument to falsely claim this story is “fake.”

“This story is a fake,” Wolking told Breitbart News. “Senator Rubio has never received any contribution from George Soros. And he has never received any contribution from the Soros company because, among other things, companies can’t donate to federal candidates.”

**But more importantly, a Rubio spokesman did admit that the FEC filing is correct—that Rubio took a $2,700 donation from Donfeld. The Rubio spokesman argues that Donfeld donated “almost exclusively” to GOP candidates over the years—which is mostly true, as Donfeld has given to people like Ryan, Rubio, Sen. Roy Blunt (R-MO), Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), Sen. Steve Daines (R-MT), and 2012 GOP Ohio Senate nominee Josh Mandel, among others. But Donfeld, whom the Rubio spokesman points out and as Breitbart News mentioned earlier in this piece, left the Soros firm after making this donation to Rubio, has donated to Democrats like Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA), Rep. Eliot Engel (D-NY), and a failed Democratic congressional candidate in Arizona’s 9th congressional district in 2012, Andrei Cherny.

**Anti-Trump Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), a failed one-time GOP presidential nominee from 2008, got $2,500 from an executive at the Soros firm, while Boehner—who resigned amid a coup from conservatives—raked in $2,600 from an executive at the Soros firm.**

McCain’s $2,500 this cycle came from Donfeld of Soros Fund Management on Sept. 23, 2015. In previous cycles, McCain has taken cash directly from George Soros himself—a $1,000 donation on June 2, 1999—and from others with the firm, including a $1,000 donation from Bessent on March 13, 2000, a $2,300 donation from Soros Fund Management’s Michael Au on Dec. 27, 2007, a $1,000 donation from Duncan Hennes of Soros Fund Management on March 13, 2000, and a $2,300 donation from Soros Fund Management’s Joshua Berkowitz on Jan. 15, 2008. McCain’s spokeswoman, Julie Tarallo, has not responded to multiple requests for comment from Breitbart News.

Boehner’s $2,600 donation this cycle came from Bessent of Soros Fund Management on Feb. 12, 2015. The media relations department at Reynolds American, the tobacco company of which Boehner joined the board after resigning from Congress in 2015, has not responded to a request for comment on his behalf.

Now former Rep. Joe Heck (R-NV), the 2016 Republican nominee for U.S. Senate in Nevada who lost his election after he withdrew his endorsement of Trump in the general election, also received $2,500 from an executive at Soros Fund Management, while Rep. Carlos Curbelo (R-FL)—a “Never Trump” congressman who voted for a third-party candidate because he refused to support the GOP nominee for president—received $1,000 from an executive at the Soros family firm.

Heck’s $2,500 donation on Sept. 29, 2016, came from Soros Fund Management’s Sender Cohen. According to the Israel on Campus Coalition, another organization for which Sender Cohen serves as director, he is a “Portfolio Manager, the Director of Research and member of the Management Committee at Soros Fund Management.” Heck’s spokesman from the campaign has not responded to a request for comment on Monday.

Curbelo’s $1,000 donation came on June 5, 2015, from Paul Sohn, a former executive with Soros Fund Management. Sohn had already left the firm earlier in the year, as it was reported on CNBC in January 2015 that Sohn had left Soros Fund Management after his involvement in a controversial investment. That is months before he reported on this June 2015 Federal Election Commission (FEC) filing for this Curbelo donation that his employer was Soros Fund Management. A Curbelo spokeswoman has not responded to a request for comment.

Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA), the House GOP conference chairwoman, got $1,000 from an official with Soros Fund Management. The independent and wildly unsuccessful general election candidate Evan McMullin—whom Trump has called “McMuffin” in jest after his failure—is a former staffer of hers. McMullin, who turned out to fail fantastically on election day despite media fanfare about his candidacy, was previously a McMorris Rodgers staffer as chief policy director for nearly two years in the House GOP conference before his whimsical bid at the presidency that went nowhere and had essentially zero impact on the race. Rodgers’ $1,000 donation this cycle came from Alexander Cohen of Soros Fund Management on March 13, 2015.

“The Congresswoman receives thousands of donations from individuals in Washington State and across the country who believe in her mission to restore the people’s voice in government,” a spokesman for McMorris Rodgers told Breitbart News.

The spokesman also says that McMorris Rodgers has no responsibility for McMullin, and cut ties with him as soon as media outlets reported his intention to run as an independent against Trump.

“The House Republican Conference has zero knowledge of his intentions,” a McMorris Rodgers spokesman said when McMullin launched his bid.

The only few Republicans who received Soros Fund Management cash but did support Trump were Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI), Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA), Rep. Dan Donovan (R-NY), and Rep. Ed Royce (R-CA). Royce received $2,500 from the firm, Johnson and Grassley each received $1,000, and Donovan received $300. Johnson’s $1,000 donation came on April 15, 2016, from Alexander Cohen of Soros Fund Management, as did Grassley’s, which came on Oct. 13, 2015. Donovan’s $300 donation came from Christopher Rich of Soros Fund Management on April 20, 2015. Royce’s $2,500 donation came from Sender Cohen of Soros Fund Management on March 31, 2016. Spokespersons for Johnson, Donovan and Royce have not responded to Breitbart News’s requests for comment. A spokesperson for Grassley did not have a comment.

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Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 27, 2018, 11:32:08 pm
Can you provide the link to that Google search?  If that's all from one article, it needs to be excerpted.


Records: Soros Fund Execs Funded Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Jeb ...

Employees of a hedge fund founded by the king of the Institutional Left, billionaire and Democratic Party mega-donor George Soros, donated tens of thousands of dollars to top Republicans who fought against President Donald Trump in 2016, donation records compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics show. | Big Government

Search domain www.breitbart.comhttps (http://www.breitbart.comhttps)://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/06/records-soros-f...
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 27, 2018, 11:39:31 pm
That deserves a slapdown.  I had to edit that comment down quite a bit to get to the nub of the comment.  My bad.

Having experienced numerous successful McCain campaigns, I can tell you he waved that bloody shirt with the same gusto Obastard waved his race card.  That's what I was getting at.  Wishing somebody had died in battle would be a bit beyond the pale.  It would be like wishing Benedict Arnold died in the battle in which he was severely injured.


I have a lot on ignore.  Who are you talking about?  A comment made by republicans, and repeating that?  How is that on the messenger ?

Those who were in Vietnam and had to serve with him, feel that way.  I don't get the upset.

Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 27, 2018, 11:47:15 pm

I have a lot on ignore.  Who are you talking about?  A comment made by republicans, and repeating that?  How is that on the messenger ?

Those who were in Vietnam and had to serve with him, feel that way.  I don't get the upset.

McCain was the media's favorite "conservative" because he could be counted upon to vilify real conservatives. 

(That's the problem when you get too many people on "ignore," you start missing pieces of the conversation.  Somebody said they wished he died in Vietnam, somebody else said that was a bad thing to say, and I was pointing out that's the thinking that leads to not being able to criticize certain people at any time or for any reason.)
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 27, 2018, 11:51:12 pm

Records: Soros Fund Execs Funded Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Jeb ...

Employees of a hedge fund founded by the king of the Institutional Left, billionaire and Democratic Party mega-donor George Soros, donated tens of thousands of dollars to top Republicans who fought against President Donald Trump in 2016, donation records compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics show. | Big Government

Search domain www.breitbart.comhttps (http://www.breitbart.comhttps)://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/06/records-soros-f...

Thanks!  That was what I was looking for.  Remember, if you post an article, you must excerpt it to three paragraphs or less, per TBR rules.  Even if it's not an Original topic.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Silver Pines on August 28, 2018, 12:03:49 am
That deserves a slapdown.  I had to edit that comment down quite a bit to get to the nub of the comment.  My bad.

Having experienced numerous successful McCain campaigns, I can tell you he waved that bloody shirt with the same gusto Obastard waved his race card.  That's what I was getting at.  Wishing somebody had died in battle would be a bit beyond the pale.  It would be like wishing Benedict Arnold died in the battle in which he was severely injured.

@Cyber Liberty

I'm under no illusions about McCain's politics; a person would dig forever and find no praise from me for the man.  Until his death and all of this mess, when it occurred to me that yeah, he absolutely does deserve respect and thanks for his military service and for what he went through.  The rest--the politics?  That's different.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 28, 2018, 12:07:30 am
@Cyber Liberty

I'm under no illusions about McCain's politics; a person would dig forever and find no praise from me for the man.  Until his death and all of this mess, when it occurred to me that yeah, he absolutely does deserve respect and thanks for his military service and for what he went through.  The rest--the politics?  That's different.

Having been a constituent of his, first as a Representative (it was my District) and later as a Senator, for me he crossed the point of his politics nulling out his service a long time ago.  That took a lot of bad vibes to do, but one had to have a front-row seat all this time to appreciate it.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Silver Pines on August 28, 2018, 12:09:06 am
Having been a constituent of his, first as a Representative (it was my District) and later as a Senator, for me he crossed the point of his politics nulling out his service a long time ago.  That took a lot of bad vibes to do, but one had to have a front-row seat all this time to appreciate it.

@Cyber Liberty

I get it.

Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 28, 2018, 12:15:10 am
@Cyber Liberty

I get it.

TY!
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Silver Pines on August 28, 2018, 12:24:47 am
TY!

*salute*
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: the_doc on August 28, 2018, 03:33:09 pm
Well, I know nothing personally or by innuendo, rumor or anyone's witness that McCain was working for Soros.

So I'm giving you a thumbs down.


To understand why our President despised McCain so much, you need to follow the Q threads. 
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Jazzhead on August 28, 2018, 04:30:16 pm
McCaain and Trump ran for President.

Trump won.

The two men disliked each other.

McCain is gone now. RIP.

All true.  Also true that Trump initially dissed McCain in the hours after his death, and has now backpeddled and provided him with traditional honors. 

Good for Trump.  But why the unnecessary diss?    Did he really need to have criticism heaped upon him for acting petty and small? 

This fall the elections will determine whether the Trump presidency survives.  For Trump supporters, that means they must be energized to get out and vote, even for GOP candidates they aren't crazy about.   For other conservatives and moderates,  the motivation will be to sustain the economic recovery even as they may despise the Presidency's self-centered style and megalomania.   

Trump needs to help his own cause, instead of trampling his message and crowding out the good news about the economy.    Trump has solidified his populist base, but hasn't made the least bit of progress in broadening his appeal.  Indeed, those of us who were appalled by Trump the man have witnessed absolutely no personal growth.   So many of us thought that the mantle of office would temper Trump's ego and his unnecessary battles and penchant for destruction.  That it would make him Presidential.   It hasn't.   Trump can't or won't change, and so many of us at this point are fatigued.   And will be casting our first thumbs up or thumbs down in a little over two months.   

Trump had better understand that he needs more than his sycophants.    He needs the whole of the GOP coalition to be motivated to save his Presidency.   His sycophants need to realize it too.   Some want to see the GOP purged of folks like me.   I won't let my view of the matter be tainted by such brain-dead talk, yet it permeates forums like this one.   

In unity there is strength.   In disunity there will be Speaker Pelosi and two years of investigations leading to impeachment.     
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: skeeter on August 28, 2018, 04:33:07 pm
All true.  Also true that Trump initially dissed McCain in the hours after his death, and has now backpeddled and provided him with traditional honors. 

Good for Trump.  But why the unnecessary diss?    Did he really need to have criticism heaped upon him for acting petty and small? 

This fall the elections will determine whether the Trump presidency survives.  For Trump supporters, that means they must be energized to get out and vote, even for GOP candidates they aren't crazy about.   For other conservatives and moderates,  the motivation will be to sustain the economic recovery even as they may despise the Presidency's style and megalomania.   

Trump needs to help his own cause, instead of trampling his message and crowding out the good news about the economy.    Trump has solidified his based, but hasn't made hardly any progress in broadening his appeal.  Indeed, those of us who were appalled by Trump the man have witnessed absolutely no growth in office.   So many of us thought that the mantle of office would temper Trump's ego and his unnecessary battles.  It hasn't.   Trump can't or won't change, and so many of us are fatigued.   And will be casting our first thumbs up or thumbs down in a little over two months.   

Trump had better understand that he needs more than his sycophants.    He needs the whole of the GOP coalition,  to be motivated to save his Presidency.   His sycophants need to realize it too.   Some want to see the GOP purged of folks like me.   I won't let my view of the matter be tainted by such brain-dead talk, yet it permeates forums like this one.   

In unity there is strength.   In disunity there will be Speaker Pelosi and two years of investigations leading to impeachment.     

Trump has improved. Much of what we hear now is momentum carried forward by his critics. This McCain thing is a great case in point - Trump did NOTHING wrong, yet there's controversy.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: the_doc on August 28, 2018, 07:12:23 pm
@Right_in_Virginia
@Quix
Well, I know nothing personally or by innuendo, rumor or anyone's witness that McCain was working for Soros.

So I'm giving you a thumbs down.


Here's a link from one of Quix's threads:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,328649.100.html. (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,328649.100.html.)  Scroll down to Post #106 about McCain.

I haven't had time to check out the youtube vid that @Quix linked in his Post #106, so I can't vouch for its relevance to the Soros stuff;  however, I'm pretty sure the video will be very unflattering for McCain.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: dfwgator on August 28, 2018, 07:14:48 pm
Trump has improved. Much of what we hear now is momentum carried forward by his critics. This McCain thing is a great case in point - Trump did NOTHING wrong, yet there's controversy.

The MSM realizes that the one thing that probably bothered Centrists and Moderates the most about Trump during the campaign was his treatment of McCain.  That's why they were licking their chops in anticipation of McCain's death.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 28, 2018, 07:16:44 pm
I posted all the links and INFO. Cyber-Liberty saw them.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: DCPatriot on August 28, 2018, 07:18:50 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7wGRVAYazM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7wGRVAYazM)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7wGRVAYazM#)

Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: DCPatriot on August 28, 2018, 07:19:45 pm
I posted all the links and INFO. Cyber-Liberty saw them. They have been REMOVED. ALL TRUTH IS REMOVED???????

Calm down, please? 
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 28, 2018, 07:25:03 pm
Thanks!  That was what I was looking for.  Remember, if you post an article, you must excerpt it to three paragraphs or less, per TBR rules.  Even if it's not an Original topic.


Oh. Ok, still getting the lay of the land.  People won't go to links, so I thought, just give facts.  Even when facts are given, I hear, read, the same stuff! over and over! 

BTW, Putting off cataract surgery, as I found info that Castor Oil can dissolve them. Working on it.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 28, 2018, 07:31:26 pm
Calm down, please?

lol,  I am calm. Just very expressive.  You all, are very quick on here, I decided to remove half of that post and you already copied it.
So, I will need to really be careful on here.  I don't pay attention to caps, as most others do. Has to do with being bad typist and caps sticking, then I just go for it.   888high58888
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 28, 2018, 07:32:06 pm

Oh. Ok, still getting the lay of the land.  People won't go to links, so I thought, just give facts.  Even when facts are given, I hear, read, the same stuff! over and over! 

BTW, Putting off cataract surgery, as I found info that Castor Oil can dissolve them. Working on it.

Ouch!  Good luck to you @LegalAmerican!   :thud:
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 28, 2018, 07:44:26 pm
Trump has improved. Much of what we hear now is momentum carried forward by his critics. This McCain thing is a great case in point - Trump did NOTHING wrong, yet there's controversy.


Correct, my president Trump, did nothing wrong. He lowered the flag at half mast, as is required for senator.  McCain is not a KING. McCain planned his own funeral and said he did not want president Trump there. McCain is giving himself a royal funeral.  President Trump did everything by protocol.  Media sucks. As did, RINO.  McCain had a potty mouth, to everyone. McCain cheated on his wife Carol, and probably Cindy. The same reasons, N.T.'S give for not supporting president TRUMP. Yet, McCain was worse and they all drool over McCain.  McCain directly responsible for many American soldiers death.What is different? Nothing.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: the_doc on August 28, 2018, 07:48:46 pm
@Quix
@DCPatriot
@Right_in_Virginia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7wGRVAYazM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7wGRVAYazM)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7wGRVAYazM#)


Wow.  YouTube is evidently censoring any important revelations about McCain.   

(Aside to Right_in_Virginia:  That means the stuff is really, really bad stuff and also completely credible as to the reporting thereof.  The bad stuff goes way, way beyond McCain's complicity in the plot to frame Trump.  This is why I have warned the decent but fainthearted folks on the thread about dismissing anything on the thread except for posts that say little more than "Thank you for your service, Hero John, now R.I.P."  [Again, I don't think Trump handled McCain very well in 2016, but I suspect that his contempt for McCain is very well grounded.]) 
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 28, 2018, 07:52:57 pm
Oh, the thread title is totally wrong and backwards. It is McCain who did the antics and media. Not my president.

McCain planned his own funeral and expressly said, not for TRUMP to attend. I think that is nasty.

 All on media and McCain. President Trump said his condolences. What more do the anti-Americans want?  The flag was lowered as required for senator. McCain was not KING, nor president.  McCain planned his own royal funeral.  Who does that?  Hung onto his seat in senate, to scr3w over the American people. Noted "NO" on Obamacare repeal. His vote did it. And some people think that deserves respect ?  Ugh.

Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: DCPatriot on August 28, 2018, 07:53:38 pm
@Quix
@DCPatriot
@Right_in_Virginia


Wow.  YouTube is evidently censoring any important revelations about McCain.   

(Aside to Right_in_Virginia:  That means the stuff is really, really bad stuff and also completely credible as to the reporting thereof.  The bad stuff goes way, way beyond McCain's complicity in the plot to frame Trump.  This is why I have warned the decent but fainthearted folks on the thread about dismissing anything on the thread except for posts that say little more than "Thank you for your service, Hero John, now R.I.P."  [Again, I don't think Trump handled McCain very well in 2016, but I suspect that his contempt for McCain is very well grounded.])

@the_doc

Hmmm...not sure what you mean, that video IS currently on YouTube.   :shrug:

Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: truth_seeker on August 28, 2018, 08:03:39 pm
   Some want to see the GOP purged of folks like me. 

It makes me chuckle, that you and Invar both state the GOP wants to "purge" folks like you.

Such victims.

Another thing you both do, is demean Trump's supporters. 

So again, you ironically share with your forum pall another quality.


@Jazzhead @INVAR

A far more wise political position would be gratitude to those Trump's upporters, for providing at least 4 years of governance under far more conservative policies, than you would have achieved by any other available option.


Now go forth, Republicans and conservatives joined in smart unity.

Imperfect as they are, we still need more Republicans.

 

Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 28, 2018, 08:04:11 pm
@Quix
@DCPatriot
@Right_in_Virginia


Wow.  YouTube is evidently censoring any important revelations about McCain.   

(Aside to Right_in_Virginia:  That means the stuff is really, really bad stuff and also completely credible as to the reporting thereof.  The bad stuff goes way, way beyond McCain's complicity in the plot to frame Trump.  This is why I have warned the decent but fainthearted folks on the thread about dismissing anything on the thread except for posts that say little more than "Thank you for your service, Hero John, now R.I.P."  [Again, I don't think Trump handled McCain very well in 2016, but I suspect that his contempt for McCain is very well grounded.])



Yes, I noticed that, about youtube and other sites.  President Trump loves the military and veterans. Trump was mentored by retired General at his military school.
Like everything else, the nasty people attack Trump, with some lie, but when Trump responses to the lie, TRUMP is chastised, not the original attacker.  Does anyone here, "let it go", if they are lied about?  No one, can let being slandered, alone. That would be the same as agreeing with the slander.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: INVAR on August 28, 2018, 08:07:14 pm
Imperfect as they are, we still need more Republicans.

You will need to get them from Bernie supporters.  Have fun.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: DCPatriot on August 28, 2018, 08:08:13 pm

...

Now go forth, Republicans and conservatives joined in smart unity.

Imperfect as they are, we still need more Republicans.

 

I'm laughing here because ...well, let's say it's not fashionable to be a Republican today according to all media platforms.  And according to most college campuses.

So millions of Democrats will leave the plantation but not register as GOP.  Most likely, they're sick and tired and might stay home.

But if anybody can get them off their azz....it's Donald J. Trump.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: the_doc on August 28, 2018, 08:09:06 pm
@Quix
@Right_in_Virginia
@DCPatriot 

@the_doc

Hmmm...not sure what you mean, that video IS currently on YouTube.   :shrug:


My bad, then.  I'll try again.  (Thanks for the correction.  [Anyway, I've seen way too many good conservative videos deleted from youtube in the past year.])
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: DCPatriot on August 28, 2018, 08:13:10 pm
@Quix
@Right_in_Virginia
@DCPatriot 


My bad, then.  I'll try again.  (Thanks for the correction.  [Anyway, I've seen way too many good conservative videos deleted from youtube in the past year.])

@Right_in_Virginia mentioned this the other day and reposted some comedy videos.

Evidently some people cannot view the video simply by clicking on the video graphic.

I like to watch it directly on YouTube, so I click on the lower right corner of the black bar.

The term 'no longer available' to me, means the information on the title.  That's why I type what is contained.

...but to some, it may mean you cannot view [with your current configuration]   :shrug:
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Quix on August 28, 2018, 08:21:19 pm
@Right_in_Virginia
@Quix

Here's a link from one of Quix's threads:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,328649.100.html. (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,328649.100.html.)  Scroll down to Post #106 about McCain.

I haven't had time to check out the youtube vid that @Quix linked in his Post #106, so I can't vouch for its relevance to the Soros stuff;  however, I'm pretty sure the video will be very unflattering for McCain.


Thanks. Folks would do well to check out the DINEH accusation that McCan't is guilty of genocide that I just posted on the SWAMP Vol 2 thread.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Quix on August 28, 2018, 08:23:22 pm
All true.  Also true that Trump initially dissed McCain in the hours after his death, and has now backpeddled and provided him with traditional honors. 

Good for Trump.  But why the unnecessary diss?    Did he really need to have criticism heaped upon him for acting petty and small? 

This fall the elections will determine whether the Trump presidency survives.  For Trump supporters, that means they must be energized to get out and vote, even for GOP candidates they aren't crazy about.   For other conservatives and moderates,  the motivation will be to sustain the economic recovery even as they may despise the Presidency's self-centered style and megalomania.   

Trump needs to help his own cause, instead of trampling his message and crowding out the good news about the economy.    Trump has solidified his populist base, but hasn't made the least bit of progress in broadening his appeal.  Indeed, those of us who were appalled by Trump the man have witnessed absolutely no personal growth.   So many of us thought that the mantle of office would temper Trump's ego and his unnecessary battles and penchant for destruction.  That it would make him Presidential.   It hasn't.   Trump can't or won't change, and so many of us at this point are fatigued.   And will be casting our first thumbs up or thumbs down in a little over two months.   

Trump had better understand that he needs more than his sycophants.    He needs the whole of the GOP coalition to be motivated to save his Presidency.   His sycophants need to realize it too.   Some want to see the GOP purged of folks like me.   I won't let my view of the matter be tainted by such brain-dead talk, yet it permeates forums like this one.   

In unity there is strength.   In disunity there will be Speaker Pelosi and two years of investigations leading to impeachment.     

I can agree a lot about unity.

I do believe that the horrific evils of the  outrageous evil doers--of whom McCan't was one--need called out vividly, precisely. Timing, however is a key issue. And the manner done.

Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Quix on August 28, 2018, 08:24:58 pm

I cannot give you enough high 5^'s,  on your post!   McCain was working for SOROS and the democrats, not for the American people .
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

https://youtu.be/XCXOZpwT2ek

For Soros and McCan'ts FELLOW GLOBALIST TYRANTS.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 28, 2018, 08:25:05 pm
All true.  Also true that Trump initially dissed McCain in the hours after his death, and has now backpeddled and provided him with traditional honors. 

Good for Trump.  But why the unnecessary diss?    Did he really need to have criticism heaped upon him for acting petty and small? 

This fall the elections will determine whether the Trump presidency survives.  For Trump supporters, that means they must be energized to get out and vote, even for GOP candidates they aren't crazy about.   For other conservatives and moderates,  the motivation will be to sustain the economic recovery even as they may despise the Presidency's self-centered style and megalomania.   

Trump needs to help his own cause, instead of trampling his message and crowding out the good news about the economy.    Trump has solidified his populist base, but hasn't made the least bit of progress in broadening his appeal.  Indeed, those of us who were appalled by Trump the man have witnessed absolutely no personal growth.   So many of us thought that the mantle of office would temper Trump's ego and his unnecessary battles and penchant for destruction.  That it would make him Presidential.   It hasn't.   Trump can't or won't change, and so many of us at this point are fatigued.   And will be casting our first thumbs up or thumbs down in a little over two months.   

Trump had better understand that he needs more than his sycophants.    He needs the whole of the GOP coalition to be motivated to save his Presidency.   His sycophants need to realize it too.   Some want to see the GOP purged of folks like me.   I won't let my view of the matter be tainted by such brain-dead talk, yet it permeates forums like this one.   

In unity there is strength.   In disunity there will be Speaker Pelosi and two years of investigations leading to impeachment.     


I would like to know what that was. What diss? Or, is that more of left, lying medias story?


 Also true that Trump initially dissed McCain in the hours after his death, and has now backpeddled and provided him with traditional honors.=JAZZHEAD.


Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Quix on August 28, 2018, 08:31:16 pm
@Cyber Liberty

I'm under no illusions about McCain's politics; a person would dig forever and find no praise from me for the man.  Until his death and all of this mess, when it occurred to me that yeah, he absolutely does deserve respect and thanks for his military service and for what he went through.  The rest--the politics?  That's different.

A lot of his shipmates went through worse and caved in far less; were far less complicit in helping the Hanoi regime. And, his arrogant, hot-dogging etc. risky ways probably didn't help him avoid being shot-down any, either.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Quix on August 28, 2018, 08:32:28 pm
Having been a constituent of his, first as a Representative (it was my District) and later as a Senator, for me he crossed the point of his politics nulling out his service a long time ago.  That took a lot of bad vibes to do, but one had to have a front-row seat all this time to appreciate it.

Agreed. My family was around the Verde Valley after a few years in Phoenix. But they had no use for him either.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Quix on August 28, 2018, 08:35:05 pm

Oh. Ok, still getting the lay of the land.  People won't go to links, so I thought, just give facts.  Even when facts are given, I hear, read, the same stuff! over and over! 

BTW, Putting off cataract surgery, as I found info that Castor Oil can dissolve them. Working on it.

IIRC, the Castor oil takes 6 months of nightly administration. Is that right? I need to restart it with a fresh bottle of oil.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Quix on August 28, 2018, 08:37:04 pm
@Quix
@DCPatriot
@Right_in_Virginia


Wow.  YouTube is evidently censoring any important revelations about McCain.   

(Aside to Right_in_Virginia:  That means the stuff is really, really bad stuff and also completely credible as to the reporting thereof.  The bad stuff goes way, way beyond McCain's complicity in the plot to frame Trump.  This is why I have warned the decent but fainthearted folks on the thread about dismissing anything on the thread except for posts that say little more than "Thank you for your service, Hero John, now R.I.P."  [Again, I don't think Trump handled McCain very well in 2016, but I suspect that his contempt for McCain is very well grounded.]) 

Agree. imho, McCan't earned every bit of hostility and criticism he gets.

And then some.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 28, 2018, 08:37:51 pm
Thanks. Folks would do well to check out the DINEH accusation that McCan't is guilty of genocide that I just posted on the SWAMP Vol 2 thread.


Love you Quix!  You know.  888high58888.  :patriot:  :patriot:  :patriot:
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Quix on August 28, 2018, 08:39:18 pm
Oh, the thread title is totally wrong and backwards. It is McCain who did the antics and media. Not my president.

McCain planned his own funeral and expressly said, not for TRUMP to attend. I think that is nasty.

 All on media and McCain. President Trump said his condolences. What more do the anti-Americans want?  The flag was lowered as required for senator. McCain was not KING, nor president.  McCain planned his own royal funeral.  Who does that?  Hung onto his seat in senate, to scr3w over the American people. Noted "NO" on Obamacare repeal. His vote did it. And some people think that deserves respect ?  Ugh.

imho, McCan't is a nasty jerk deserving fierce treatment as one of the worst sorts of traitors, corrupt politicos, dumped his injured wife, gold digger with his next mob originated (father) wife etc. for just the 'minor' stuff.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 28, 2018, 08:48:08 pm
IIRC, the Castor oil takes 6 months of nightly administration. Is that right? I need to restart it with a fresh bottle of oil.

It depends on the person. It is also good for dry eyes, which I have now. Medication and age are drying me up.  888mouth

I went to Health food store to get the Hexane free item.  I will have to see. I'll let you know.  :0001: :patriot: :patriot:
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 28, 2018, 08:51:28 pm
@Quix
@DCPatriot
@Right_in_Virginia


Wow.  YouTube is evidently censoring any important revelations about McCain.   

(Aside to Right_in_Virginia:  That means the stuff is really, really bad stuff and also completely credible as to the reporting thereof.  The bad stuff goes way, way beyond McCain's complicity in the plot to frame Trump.  This is why I have warned the decent but fainthearted folks on the thread about dismissing anything on the thread except for posts that say little more than "Thank you for your service, Hero John, now R.I.P."  [Again, I don't think Trump handled McCain very well in 2016, but I suspect that his contempt for McCain is very well grounded.])   

I had no trouble with the video @the_doc   

I suspect there's a lot of crap about John McCain that will be known and proven in the fullness of time.  Right now, I'll settle for an end to his funeral and a new Senator from Arizona that is no relation to McCain.

(PS: Thanks for the other links.) 
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 28, 2018, 08:52:07 pm
imho, McCan't is a nasty jerk deserving fierce treatment as one of the worst sorts of traitors, corrupt politicos, dumped his injured wife, gold digger with his next mob originated (father) wife etc. for just the 'minor' stuff.


Yup, that's him. I don't like having to pretend about someone just because they are dead. Damage is done by McCain. Death does not change that damage.  Who started that, don't speak ill of the dead?   9999hair out0000
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Sighlass on August 28, 2018, 09:07:34 pm

Vile McCain. 
https://youtu.be/HwTKM_u-7j4

You do understand that video was satire and not a true representative of what McCain actually said? Is it time to just start skipping over everything you post. Have some pride, vet what you spout.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: the_doc on August 28, 2018, 09:22:26 pm
imho, McCan't is a nasty jerk deserving fierce treatment as one of the worst sorts of traitors, corrupt politicos, dumped his injured wife, gold digger with his next mob originated (father) wife etc. for just the 'minor' stuff.

You're right in calling this the minor stuff.  A lot of Qanon's breadcrumbs scream out TREASON.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 28, 2018, 11:01:07 pm
You do understand that video was satire and not a true representative of what McCain actually said? Is it time to just start skipping over everything you post. Have some pride, vet what you spout.


Oh please?  Nothing about a satire and why the need to do that ?  Like the one below? Even the reporter, ask why so angry, then says never mind. His way of speaking was always cussing, putting down people. SATIRE?  Baaaaaaaa Haaaaaaa
  TRUTH. 
https://youtu.be/XCXOZpwT2ek
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: txradioguy on August 29, 2018, 01:01:41 pm
You do understand that video was satire and not a true representative of what McCain actually said? Is it time to just start skipping over everything you post. Have some pride, vet what you spout.

@Sighlass

Shhhh don't ruin it for them...it will rust their tinfoil.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: Frank Cannon on August 29, 2018, 01:04:35 pm
@Sighlass

Shhhh don't ruin it for them...it will rust their tinfoil.

Typical low education NeverTrumper. Tin dosn't rust.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 29, 2018, 05:57:34 pm
Where do satires come from?  Why the need?  Because it is based on truth.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: DCPatriot on August 29, 2018, 06:07:08 pm
Where do satires come from?  Why the need?  Because it is based on truth.

The McCain satire video here...we all recognize that he didn't actually say those words out loud.  But we all laugh because we know or can 'see' him thinking it.

...no different than the cute one going around now about Sarah Sanders dealing with the White House Press.

But you can't post a video as actual proof to support a charge made...where he uses the eff word to a female witness in a Senate hearing.

Never happened.
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on August 29, 2018, 06:22:26 pm
And the one where he is talking to journalist ?
Title: Re: The Stupidity Of Trump's Anti-McCain Antics
Post by: LegalAmerican on September 12, 2018, 06:47:50 pm
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