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General Category => World News => Topic started by: Suppressed on June 14, 2018, 03:42:35 pm
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Trump claims parents of Korean War veterans begged him for help during the campaign. They'd be at least 100.
8:18 a.m. ET
http://theweek.com/speedreads/779029/trump-claims-parents-korean-war-veterans-begged-help-during-campaign-theyd-least-100 (http://theweek.com/speedreads/779029/trump-claims-parents-korean-war-veterans-begged-help-during-campaign-theyd-least-100)
In his interview with Fox News anchor Bret Baier (http://theweek.com/speedreads/778984/watch-trump-shrug-when-fox-news-reminds-kim-jong-un-killer-whos-clearly-executing-people) that aired Wednesday night, President Trump acknowledged that any deal with Kim Jong Un would have to include verification (http://theweek.com/articles/778998/heres-what-need-happen-verify-north-koreas-denuclearization) that North Korea was actually destroying its nuclear weapons and infrastructure, but he pointed to one concrete commitment Kim had made: returning the remains of Americans killed or captured during the Korean War. "We have thousands of people who have asked for that — thousands and thousands of people," Trump said. "So many people asked when I was on the campaign. I would say, 'Wait a minute, I don't have any relationship.' But they said, 'When you can, president, we'd love our son to be brought back home — you know, the remains."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1007023735759626240/pu/img/GR5J-S0oMdLSGbq8?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Let's do the math. Say an American solider was 18 when he was sent to North Korea in the war's final year, 1953 — he would have been 80 in 2015; if his parents had given birth to him when they were 18, they would have been 98 in 2015. More realistically, the parents would have been well over 100.
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What a pathetic joke this guy is. The truth means nothing to him.
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Its well documented that families have lobbied for the return of remains. Perhaps he thought they were the parents or got confused.
Regardless its a stupid thing to complain about.
you're actually complaining about him trying to get back the remains of fallen soldiers. pathetic
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I think we all know that Donny was saying here, but leave it to the Socialists at The Week to need to parse words to manufacture outrage.
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Regardless its a stupid thing to complain about.
Unless Obama said it. Then I imagine you would be making major hay out of both the empty statement and the math to showcase yet another lie told for public consumption and self-promotion.
Rightfully so.
It's sad you've morphed yourself into sounding just like an Obama drone: "Don't listen to the substance of what the president says - rather, applaud the intent behind it."
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Unless Obama said it. Then I imagine you would be making major hay out of both the empty statement and the math to showcase yet another lie told for public consumption and self-promotion.
Rightfully so.
It's sad you've morphed yourself into sounding just like an Obama drone: "Don't listen to the substance of what the president says - rather, applaud the intent behind it."
That's exactly the point. 888high58888
It's not as much President Trump as it is those who aren't consistent.
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you're actually complaining about him trying to get back the remains of fallen soldiers. pathetic
One of those cases where the complaint says more about the complainers.
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you're actually complaining about him trying to get back the remains of fallen soldiers. pathetic
Nope.
If you honestly -- honestly -- can't see the difference . . .
Wow, just wow.
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Nope.
If you honestly -- honestly -- can't see the difference . . .
Wow, just wow.
What I see is little people complaining about ants. Discontent with their level of irrelevance and seeking to go even lower.
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Nope.
If you honestly -- honestly -- can't see the difference . . .
Wow, just wow.
Yeah he said thousands of people asked him to 'bring our sons home'. If you listen to this and all you hear is a lie then maybe you need to step back for a bit.
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What I see is little people complaining about ants. Discontent with their level of irrelevance and seeking to go even lower.
If it's so insignificant, then why do you get so worked up about people pointing it out?
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Yeah he said thousands of people asked him to 'bring our sons home'. If you listen to this and all you hear is a lie then maybe you need to step back for a bit.
So if I put some cyanide in a delicious chocolate cake, it's insignificant because the cake is so good?
That wasn't "all I heard"... but just like I'd criticize President Obama for idiocy amongst positives, I'll criticize this POTUS. I'm not a hypocrite.
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Its well documented that families have lobbied for the return of remains. Perhaps he thought they were the parents or got confused.
Regardless its a stupid thing to complain about.
you're actually complaining about him trying to get back the remains of fallen soldiers. pathetic
Seems to me Trump gets "confused" a lot.
Those of us who haven't boarded the Trump train have noticed that Trump brags a lot. And most of his bragging consists of lies. The pro-Trump crowd either hasn't noticed or have ready-made excuses for his behavior.
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He obviously meant family members.
But...it's fodder for those who live for this kind of stuff, so the reaction is predictable.
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Its well documented that families have lobbied for the return of remains. Perhaps he thought they were the parents or got confused.
Regardless its a stupid thing to complain about.
you're actually complaining about him trying to get back the remains of fallen soldiers. pathetic
@driftdiver I agree with you 100% on this. This is a totally stupid, pointless, mean spirited attack on Trump. The statement indicates that his heart is in the right place, and for a statement of this sort, that’s all that really matters.
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He obviously meant family members.
But...it's fodder for those who live for this kind of stuff, so the reaction is predictable.
As is the reaction by those who live for ignoring every lie he tells and mocking those who point them out. Every criticism of Trump is responded to with attacks on good TBR members.
Isn't it tiring? :shrug:
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@driftdiver I agree with you 100% on this. This is a totally stupid, pointless, mean spirited attack on Trump. The statement indicates that his heart is in the right place, and for a statement of this sort, that’s all that really matters.
Ah yes, the heart is in the right place, so the truth of the words don't matter.
How many times did the left say that about Obama?
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As is the reaction by those who live for ignoring every lie he tells and mocking those who point them out. Every criticism of Trump is responded to with attacks on good TBR members.
Isn't it tiring? :shrug:
Do tell, where is the (Trump) lie in this story?
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Ah yes, the heart is in the right place, so the truth of the words don't matter.
How many times did the left say that about Obama?
Sorry, but in this case the truth that matters is the truth of the speaker’s sentiment, not the truth of the statements the speaker uses to convey that sentiment.
Even I can see that Trump was speaking generically for the purpose of conveying a more meaningful truth: there are still families with members whose remains are still in Korea and they would like those remains returned, and Trump appears to see that as a worthy goal.
Even I can see that.
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Sorry, but in this case the truth that matters is the truth of the speaker’s sentiment, not the truth of the statements the speaker uses to convey that sentiment.
Even I can see that Trump was speaking generically for the purpose of conveying a more meaningful truth: there are still families with members whose remains are still in Korea and they would like those remains returned, and Trump appears to see that as a worthy goal.
Even I can see that.
Good for you for being honest.
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Ah yes, the heart is in the right place, so the truth of the words don't matter.
How many times did the left say that about Obama?
Fascinating isn't it?
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Good for you for being honest.
@jpsb
Hat tip.
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Sorry, but in this case the truth that matters is the truth of the speaker’s sentiment, not the truth of the statements the speaker uses to convey that sentiment.
Even I can see that Trump was speaking generically for the purpose of conveying a more meaningful truth: there are still families with members whose remains are still in Korea and they would like those remains returned, and Trump appears to see that as a worthy goal.
Even I can see that.
It's still equivocation that leftists do all the time.
The words people say matter. Not just their "hearts."
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Fascinating isn't it?
@driftdiver said it best so I'll just quote him,
that "you're actually complaining about him trying to get back the remains of fallen soldiers. pathetic"
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Do tell, where is the (Trump) lie in this story?
I guess it depends on your definition...
'When you can, president, we'd love our son to be brought back home — you know, the remains."
This is an untrue statement. No one said this to him. No one.
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@driftdiver said it best so I'll just quote him,
that "you're actually complaining about him trying to get back the remains of fallen soldiers. pathetic"
goopo
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@driftdiver said it best so I'll just quote him,
that "you're actually complaining about him trying to get back the remains of fallen soldiers. pathetic"
Actually, no one here is complaining about that.
Truth matters.
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Actually, no one here is complaining about that.
Truth matters.
Bull, you are bashing Trump over his statement that he wants to bring back the remains of our
Korean war dead. As a vet I think that is disgusting.
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It's still equivocation that leftists do all the time.
The words people say matter. Not just their "hearts."
Nonsense. Of course words matter; the question, as always, is what they matter for, and here they matter for the sentiment they convey, not for the bare facts they imply.
If I say “I’m so hungry I could eat a horse†am I lying since, I can promise, I have never eaten, and will never eat, a horse?
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Nonsense. Of course words matter; the question, as always, is what they matter for, and here they matter for the sentiment they convey, not for the bare facts they imply.
If I say “I’m so hungry I could eat a horse†am I lying since, I can promise, I have never eaten, and will never eat, a horse?
Good analogy
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off to lunch alter all
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So if I put some cyanide in a delicious chocolate cake, it's insignificant because the cake is so good?
That wasn't "all I heard"... but just like I'd criticize President Obama for idiocy amongst positives, I'll criticize this POTUS. I'm not a hypocrite.
@Suppressed
You're criticizing the President for trying to bring back our fallen soldiers. thats all you're doing and its far beyond being a hypocrit
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Bull, you are bashing Trump over his statement that he wants to bring back the remains of our
Korean war dead. As a vet I think that is disgusting.
It could be disgusting if what you’re accusing me of were even remotely true.
But it’s not.
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Nonsense. Of course words matter; the question, as always, is what they matter for, and here they matter for the sentiment they convey, not for the bare facts they imply.
If I say “I’m so hungry I could eat a horse†am I lying since, I can promise, I have never eaten, and will never eat, a horse?
Oh, for heavens sake.
There’s no parallel there whatsoever.
All he had to do is convey the sentiment truthfully.
But he didn’t. He made stuff up like he always does.
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Oh, for heavens sake.
There’s no parallel there whatsoever.
All he had to do is convey the sentiment truthfully.
But he didn’t. He made stuff up like he always does.
In this case he did convey the sentiment truthfully: there are still American families that want the remains of their fallen sons and daughters returned to the US.
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Here we go again. Nit picking from the usuals. I think George Washington would have a hard time passing the purity test around here.
But I’m encouraged by the position you’ve taken @Oceander. :beer: Substantive lies should always be called out. However this is not one of those.
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In this case he did convey the sentiment truthfully: there are still American families that want the remains of their fallen sons and daughters returned to the US.
It would have been nice if he had conveyed a truthful and worthy sentiment without untrue embellishment, but we can agree to disagree that there is no problem with his trumpian version of what he presumably actually meant.
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Here we go again. Nit picking from the usuals.
I highly doubt you made similar complaints and arguments when Obama was criticized for equal bullshit flying out of his mouth during his reign. Or Clinton for that matter.
Nearly all of American society has now come full circle with the Left by embracing intentions rather than substance.
Of course that is how we now choose our rulers.
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@Suppressed
You're criticizing the President for trying to bring back our fallen soldiers.
No. I'm criticizing him for lying.
Period.
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Here we go again. Nit picking from the usuals. I think George Washington would have a hard time passing the purity test around here.
But I’m encouraged by the position you’ve taken @Oceander. :beer: Substantive lies should always be called out. However this is not one of those.
On that I think we can agree. :beer:
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My Mother (a spry 85) never got her Brother Freddie's remains back from the Korean Police Action.
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No. I'm criticizing him for lying.
Period.
Wow, so some president's get criticized for high unemployment, high gas prices, a failing economy, etc. etc. but you've got him on lying. That's going to leave a mark!
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Ah yes, the heart is in the right place, so the truth of the words don't matter.
How many times did the left say that about Obama?
Isn't that something like "Fake, but accurate" talking about National Guard memos? :shrug:
My dad was in Korea. We 'kids' are fortunate, indeed, to still have our parents to talk with, but their parents are gone now, one having lived past 100.
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Isn't that something like "Fake, but accurate" talking about National Guard memos? :shrug:
My dad was in Korea. We 'kids' are fortunate, indeed, to still have our parents to talk with, but their parents are gone now, one having lived past 100.
Ah, yes...... the Dan Rather version of a true story. Who could forget?
Well, my Dad was a WWII vet and he would be 102 if he were still with us. His parents, however, would be 136 and 137.
I just wonder why Trump says stuff like this. He didn't need to. He could have just said, "We need families to get their Dads and brothers remains back home." NOT that their parents told him that.
Such an easy untruth to avoid. And yet, I think the habit of just saying whatever dumb thing comes to mind, true or not, is too engrained to get rid of at his advanced age.
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Ah, yes...... the Dan Rather version of a true story. Who could forget?
Well, my Dad was a WWII vet and he would be 102 if he were still with us. His parents, however, would be 136 and 137.
I just wonder why Trump says stuff like this. He didn't need to. He could have just said, "We need families to get their Dads and brothers remains back home." NOT that their parents told him that.
Such an easy untruth to avoid. And yet, I think the habit of just saying whatever dumb thing comes to mind, true or not, is too engrained to get rid of at his advanced age.
If he had just said "Families" instead of "parents", it would have been fine. :shrug:
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Ah, yes...... the Dan Rather version of a true story. Who could forget?
Well, my Dad was a WWII vet and he would be 102 if he were still with us. His parents, however, would be 136 and 137.
I just wonder why Trump says stuff like this. He didn't need to. He could have just said, "We need families to get their Dads and brothers remains back home." NOT that their parents told him that.
Such an easy untruth to avoid. And yet, I think the habit of just saying whatever dumb thing comes to mind, true or not, is too engrained to get rid of at his advanced age.
By all means keep bashing Trump for trying to return the remains of our fallen in Korea, that is
surely a winning hand with Americans. /s
And the NeverTrumpers wonder why no one give a sh#t what they think.
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By all means keep bashing Trump for trying to return the remains of our fallen in Korea, that is
surely a winning hand with Americans. /s
And the NeverTrumpers wonder why no one give a sh#t what they think.
No one is attacking returning the remains of our servicemen to America.
But by all means, keep having shitfits when we point out egregious inaccuracies in what Trump says, inaccuracies which translate to falsehood. Because you just know what he means and ignore what he actually says. And you wonder how we can walk past the cheering section without a second glance?
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And the NeverTrumpers wonder why no one give a sh#t what they think.
We know for a fact that is a lie. ForeverTrump® not only makes a federal issue out of each and every syllable they feel disparages or slights Trump (even to the point of having a hissy-fit that we are not using the proper honorarium when addressing Trump), but they have also told us and explained in great emphatic urgency, that what we think directly hurts, sabotages, harms and will destroy the Trump Presidency, Conservatism and winning in general. Notwithstanding the charge that we are committing treason by stupidity by aiding the Left in taking over the entire country and putting us under the DNC boot for our refusal to support the man with the incredible combover at 1600 Pennsylvania.
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Seems to me Trump gets "confused" a lot.
Those of us who haven't boarded the Trump train have noticed that Trump brags a lot. And most of his bragging consists of lies. The pro-Trump crowd either hasn't noticed or have ready-made excuses for his behavior.
@Applewood I'll take ready made excuses for $200
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No one is attacking returning the remains of our servicemen to America.
But by all means, keep having shitfits when we point out egregious inaccuracies in what Trump says, inaccuracies which translate to falsehood. Because you just know what he means and ignore what he actually says. And you wonder how we can walk past the cheering section without a second glance?
@Smokin Joe
The leftist style group think that some on our side are now demanding of any and everyone is disturbing.
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Unless Obama said it. Then I imagine you would be making major hay out of both the empty statement and the math to showcase yet another lie told for public consumption and self-promotion.
I remember our side laughing quite a bit over this, because of the absurdity....
OBAMA: On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in…in the audience here today — our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2008/05/27/barack_obama_sees_dead_people/amp/ (https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2008/05/27/barack_obama_sees_dead_people/amp/)
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I remember our side laughing quite a bit over this, because of the absurdity....
To point out an absurdity in something Trump says or Tweets is to attack the president personally, and engage in treason by aiding the left who are working to destroy his presidency according to our betters.
It is immaterial that it was open season and fair game when Obama or Clinton who engaged in egregious lies for public consumption. This is for the fate of the galaxy man! Get with it! Stop noting Trump absurdities or calling them lies!
Hillary supporter.
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@Smokin Joe
The leftist style group think that some on our side are now demanding of any and everyone is disturbing.
Yet thats exactly what you do when you attack anyone who disagrees with you
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Yet thats exactly what you do when you attack anyone who disagrees with you
Let me get this straight...@txradioguy is disagreeing ("attacking"?) the groupthink disagreement, with people who think it absurd that the President would say he has been talking with people who either are really the oldest living humans (or the White House is employing some sort of spiritualist to mediate), and that is groupthink? D@mn! this must be more complicated than I thought. **nononono*
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Hillary supporter.
I know. I pulled a Pontius Pilate in the 2016 election, while moving from OH to KS. Despite the fact Trump carried the states by 9 and 21 points respectively, my non-participation has been called tacit Clinton support. :shrug:
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By all means keep bashing Trump for trying to return the remains of our fallen in Korea, that is
surely a winning hand with Americans. /s
And the NeverTrumpers wonder why no one give a sh#t what they think.
I'm going to give you enough credit and say that you know absolutely that is not what I'm doing.
I'm going to give you enough credit as a decent human being to say that you really don't believe that I don't care about returning the remains of our fallen soldiers.
You're not that vile a human being.
Calm down and rethink the ugliness of what you've posted here, and at least admit to yourself that there's not a shred of truth in it.
@jpsb
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If he had just said "Families" instead of "parents", it would have been fine. :shrug:
Indeed.
But he didn't.
The truth would have been so easy. The falsehood so utterly foolish.
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I remember our side laughing quite a bit over this, because of the absurdity....
OBAMA: On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in…in the audience here today — our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2008/05/27/barack_obama_sees_dead_people/amp/ (https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2008/05/27/barack_obama_sees_dead_people/amp/)
That's the exact quote I was thinking of.
I'm willing to bet my life savings that every one of these Trump apologists mocked Obama for the idiocy of that statement.
And yet, here we are......
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I know. I pulled a Pontius Pilate in the 2016 election, while moving from OH to KS. Despite the fact Trump carried the states by 9 and 21 points respectively, my non-participation has been called tacit Clinton support. :shrug:
You got it mild. Remember that some of us have been told that we 'traitors' (who voted third party or sat home) will be 'dealt with' later... when the time comes.
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(https://abagond.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/the-little-orange-book.jpg)
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Let me get this straight...@txradioguy is disagreeing ("attacking"?) the groupthink disagreement, with people who think it absurd that the President would say he has been talking with people who either are really the oldest living humans (or the White House is employing some sort of spiritualist to mediate), and that is groupthink? D@mn! this must be more complicated than I thought.
Trying to figure out crazy is... crazy.
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Yet thats exactly what you do when you attack anyone who disagrees with you
Disagreeing with a premise and providing a counter argument is not an "attack" nor is it a sign of group think.
But it interesting and very telling that you think that it is.
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Boy hasnt this thread turned into a NT mutual masterbation love fest.
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Boy hasnt this thread turned into a NT mutual masterbation love fest.
Yeah, I usually exit the scene until they’ve spent their magazines. Damn that friendly fire.
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Boy hasnt this thread turned into a NT mutual masterbation love fest.
And of course you and a couple others had absolutely nothing at all to do with it going off topic right? *****rollingeyes*****
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Yeah, I usually exit the scene until they’ve spent their magazines. Damn that friendly fire.
That's kinda funny coming from one of the ones demanding the circular firing squad.
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Not sure who else here may have read Marcus Aurelius' Meditations, but it is my favorite non-fiction book, chock full advice on what makes a good and noble man. Here's one of my favorite quotes that seems to apply here, which is something Aurelius said he learned from one of his teachers:
Not to be constantly correcting people, and in particular not to jump on them whenever they make an error of usage or a grammatical mistake or mispronounce something, but just answer their question or add another example, or debate the issues itself (not their phrasing), or make some other contribution to the discussion—and insert the right expression, unobtrusively.
@Mesaclone
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Not sure who else here may have read Marcus Aurelius' Meditations, but it is my favorite non-fiction book, chock full advice on what makes a good and noble man. Here's one of my favorite quotes that seems to apply here, which is something Aurelius said he learned from one of his teachers:
Not to be constantly correcting people, and in particular not to jump on them whenever they make an error of usage or a grammatical mistake or mispronounce something, but just answer their question or add another example, or debate the issues itself (not their phrasing), or make some other contribution to the discussion—and insert the right expression, unobtrusively.
@Mesaclone
Bill, he didn't blurt out 'ain't', he claimed to be talking with people who are dead. Usually that is an indicator of something unusual or amiss.
If we rationalize committing small acts of dishonesty, it becomes easier to commit progressively larger sins.
Marcos A. Aidukaitis