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Bill Maher Slams ‘Barbie’ Movie: ‘Preachy, Man-Hating Zombie Lie’
Frank BergmanAugust 8, 2023 - 9:31 am0 Comments
Liberal talk show host Bill Maher has slammed the new Barbie” movie as “preachy, man-hating, and a Zombie Lie.”
HBO’s “Real Time with Bill Maher” host explained that the “woke” film is a “Zombie Lie” because it perpetuates “something that was never true.”
After watching the movie, Maher blasted the director for ignoring the world we currently live in.
67-year-old Maher took to Twitter on Monday and panned the Greta Gerwig-directed movie to his 10.8 million followers.
https://slaynews.com/news/bill-maher-slams-barbie-movie-preachy-man-hating-zombie-lie/
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:facepalm2:
It was a movie, about a doll.
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It was a movie, about a doll.
That kind of attitude is why conservatives have lost the culture war.
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That kind of attitude is why conservatives have lost the culture war.
Welp, if Maher's thinks it I'm sure a lot of other's do. Also not sure if Maher is a conservative.
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That kind of attitude is why conservatives have lost the culture war.
Have you seen the movie? I have. It's a movie, about a doll. It's pretty critical of the rigid feminism of the past, and the most that it does in terms of character development of actual human characters is to use Barbie IRL as a vehicle to reunite a mother and her disaffected, alienated teen daughter. At movie's beginning, the daughter is spouting the typical stereotypical feminist nonsense, calling Barbie a "fascist" and wearing all black. By the end of the movie the same daughter is no longer estranged from her mother, supports her mother's continuing connection with her memories of Barbie, and Barbie - the doll - has decided to become a "real" person, and is excited about her first visit to the gynecologist.
Zombie man-hating it's not.
Bill Maher must have seen some other movie with the same title.
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Welp, if Maher's thinks it I'm sure a lot of other's do. Also not sure if Maher is a conservative.
If you don't trust Maher, try The Critical Drinker's review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J7aJtGphVs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J7aJtGphVs)
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If you don't trust Maher, try The Critical Drinker's review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J7aJtGphVs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J7aJtGphVs)
I trust my own eyes and time spent in the theater more than I trust someone else - no matter whom - with an ideological axe to grind.
It was a movie, about a doll, whose greatest joy at the end was going to see the gynecologist for the first time.
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Have you seen the movie? I have. It's a movie, about a doll. It's pretty critical of the rigid feminism of the past, and the most that it does in terms of character development of actual human characters is to use Barbie IRL as a vehicle to reunite a mother and her disaffected, alienated teen daughter. At movie's beginning, the daughter is spouting the typical stereotypical feminist nonsense, calling Barbie a "fascist" and wearing all black. By the end of the movie the same daughter is no longer estranged from her mother, supports her mother's continuing connection with her memories of Barbie, and Barbie - the doll - has decided to become a "real" person, and is excited about her first visit to the gynecologist.
Zombie man-hating it's not.
Bill Maher must have seen some other movie with the same title.
Or, you just weren't paying attention.
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Or, you just weren't paying attention.
:mauslaff:
It was a movie, about a doll, who wanted to go to the gynecologist.
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:mauslaff:
It was a movie, about a doll, who wanted to go to the gynecologist.
As I said, it is no wonder conservatives have lost the culture war. You are so clueless you didn't even realize a war was happening.
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As I said, it is no wonder conservatives have lost the culture war. You are so clueless you didn't even realize a war was happening.
Did you see the movie? Yes or no. Answer, or STFU.
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It's time to take back the toy aisles from the woke!
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It's time to take back the toy aisles from the woke!
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Did you see the movie? Yes or no. Answer, or STFU.
I didn't, because I don't watch feminist propaganda. There are enough clips available to show what the movie is to those who are paying attention. Not my fault if you don't get it.
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It's time to take back the toy aisles from the woke!
(https://i.imgflip.com/7v4fnz.jpg)
Sure, it's all fun until your five year old boy says he wants to be a girl.
I wonder where he got that idea from?
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I didn't, because I don't watch feminist propaganda. There are enough clips available to show what the movie is to those who are paying attention. Not my fault if you don't get it.
In other words, you're content to regurgitate someone else's talking points, without actually checking out the source material yourself.
Got it.
How pathetic.
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In other words, you're content to regurgitate someone else's talking points, without actually checking out the source material yourself.
Got it.
How pathetic.
No, I saw trailers like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zIf0XvoL9Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zIf0XvoL9Y)
and I decided the movie probably wasn't for me.
But I guess a movie with a scene of little girls smashing baby dolls to pieces on the ground is just a movie about a doll.
Does the word "subtext" mean anything to you? I can provide a link to a dictionary definition if you need one.
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Ted Cruz says a part of the movie pushes Chinese propaganda.
And a movie about a doll who wants to go to a gyno sounds like a period piece. Not interested.
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No, I saw trailers like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zIf0XvoL9Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zIf0XvoL9Y)
and I decided the movie probably wasn't for me.
But I guess a movie with a scene of little girls smashing baby dolls to pieces on the ground is just a movie about a doll.
Does the word "subtext" mean anything to you? I can provide a link to a dictionary definition if you need one.
:mauslaff:
And now you've simply demonstrated that one of the most effective methods of lying is to take something out of context and crop it, so that viewers are missing necessary information. You were lied to.
That scene is camp. It is about how when Mattel first introduced Barbie, it gave girls another type of doll to play with - the rest of it is a campy reference to Stanley Kubrick's opening sequence in 2001: A Space Odyssey, which itself was fraught with the double-edged issues of human freedom, liberation, and violence.
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Did you see the movie? Yes or no. Answer, or STFU.
I watched the full movie. It was woke crapola... from the smashing of a babies doll head at the beginning. It was a stupid woke leftist garbage IMHO. I didn't see one male role worth reporting positive about.
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I watched the full movie. It was woke crapola... from the smashing of a babies doll head at the beginning. It was a stupid woke leftist crapola IMHO.
Then we'll have to agree to disagree, because it most certainly wasn't woke leftist crapola.
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:mauslaff:
And now you've simply demonstrated that one of the most effective methods of lying is to take something out of context and crop it, so that viewers are missing necessary information. You were lied to.
That scene is camp. It is about how when Mattel first introduced Barbie, it gave girls another type of doll to play with - the rest of it is a campy reference to Stanley Kubrick's opening sequence in 2001: A Space Odyssey, which itself was fraught with the double-edged issues of human freedom, liberation, and violence.
It's just camp. It's just a toy. It's just a movie, a game, a TV show, a song. OK, if you feel that way it's fine. I'm certainly not going to be able to change your mind, since I didn't watch the movie and I take stuff out of context by showing the actual trailer for the movie. The trailer made from the opening scene of said movie.
But for other people who may read this, if you ever happen to wonder why leftists control the movie industry, the TV industry, the music industry, the publishing industry, why leftists make the toys and games your kids play with, I would suggest that maybe it is because of attitudes like @Kamaji 's here. "It's just a movie about a kid's toy".
But what do I know, I didn't see the movie.
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It's just camp. It's just a toy. It's just a movie, a game, a TV show, a song. OK, if you feel that way it's fine. I'm certainly not going to be able to change your mind, since I didn't watch the movie and I take stuff out of context by showing the actual trailer for the movie. The trailer made from the opening scene of said movie.
But for other people who may read this, if you ever happen to wonder why leftists control the movie industry, the TV industry, the music industry, the publishing industry, why leftists make the toys and games your kids play with, I would suggest that maybe it is because of attitudes like @Kamaji 's here. "It's just a movie about a kid's toy".
But what do I know, I didn't see the movie.
Exactly, what do you know, because you didn't see the movie. Quite literally, you do not know what you're talking about.
The movie actually rejects precisely the sort of rigid feminism that has led to many of the current social ills, as well as rejecting the rigid masculinism that feminism claims to be against.
At the end of the day, the point of the movie is to figure yourself out, and figure the world out for yourself, rather than being chained to someone else's reductive ideology, whether that be of the "patriarchy" variety or the feminist variety.
And no, it's not about forcing your personal sexual preferences and fetishes on the rest of the world. As the mother puts it toward the end of the movie, she just wants "Ordinary Barbie" - “She just has a flattering top and she wants to get through the day feeling kind of okay.”
And the rigid, comical "patriarchy" espoused by Ken is ultimately rejected by him, in part because “Once I realized the patriarchy wasn’t about horses, I kind of lost interest.”
It all takes place in the context of a doll mileu, which is necessarily childish, and thus everything is two-dimensional and stereotyped - the protagonist doll herself is labeled as the "Stereotypical Barbie".
At the end of the day, rigid orthodoxies are rejected, a mother and daughter who were alienated by the daughter's adherence to a rigid, primitive feminism have been reunited, with the daughter rejecting that rigid feminism, and the only piece of unfinished business - other than Barbie's visit to the gynecologist - is that the real-life daughter's father needs to stop being a woke beta-cuck - he is not held up as a model for men - and needs to find himself out for himself as well.
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In other words, you're content to regurgitate someone else's talking points, without actually checking out the source material yourself.
Got it.
How pathetic.
Lighten up Francis don't go getting your silk Barbie panties in the knot.
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Lighten up Francis don't go getting your silk Barbie panties in the knot.
:shrug:
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Next on the Neo-con cavalcade of childhood toy paranoia ... do Lincoln Logs make boys go gay?
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Next on the Neo-con cavalcade of childhood toy paranoia ... do Lincoln Logs make boys go gay?
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Perhaps they're trying to change American Women's perception of going to their Gynecologist. :shrug:
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Perhaps they're trying to change American Women's perception of going to their Gynecologist. :shrug:
Maybe so.
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:facepalm2:
It was a movie, about a doll.
Exactly, what do you know, because you didn't see the movie. Quite literally, you do not know what you're talking about.
The movie actually rejects precisely the sort of rigid feminism that has led to many of the current social ills, as well as rejecting the rigid masculinism that feminism claims to be against.
At the end of the day, the point of the movie is to figure yourself out, and figure the world out for yourself, rather than being chained to someone else's reductive ideology, whether that be of the "patriarchy" variety or the feminist variety.
And no, it's not about forcing your personal sexual preferences and fetishes on the rest of the world. As the mother puts it toward the end of the movie, she just wants "Ordinary Barbie" - “She just has a flattering top and she wants to get through the day feeling kind of okay.”
And the rigid, comical "patriarchy" espoused by Ken is ultimately rejected by him, in part because “Once I realized the patriarchy wasn’t about horses, I kind of lost interest.”
It all takes place in the context of a doll mileu, which is necessarily childish, and thus everything is two-dimensional and stereotyped - the protagonist doll herself is labeled as the "Stereotypical Barbie".
At the end of the day, rigid orthodoxies are rejected, a mother and daughter who were alienated by the daughter's adherence to a rigid, primitive feminism have been reunited, with the daughter rejecting that rigid feminism, and the only piece of unfinished business - other than Barbie's visit to the gynecologist - is that the real-life daughter's father needs to stop being a woke beta-cuck - he is not held up as a model for men - and needs to find himself out for himself as well.
So, which is it? A movie about a doll, or a deeply philosophical critique of the modern feminist movement? Or, are you perhaps suggesting that a movie can be about a kid's toy and also have deeper subtextual meaning to it? Because that's what I've been arguing all along: that entertainment in general is being produced with sometimes subtle, sometimes overt messaging in it, and conservatives ought to be paying attention to that instead of dismissing it out of hand. Which, interestingly, was your first move.
I didn't see the movie. I saw the trailer, read about the previous work of the director (Greta Gerwig), and saw the early reviews, and decided that the movie wasn't for me. YMMV. If you saw it and enjoyed it, good for you. If you saw it and didn't enjoy it, that sucks. If, like me, you decided not to see it, then you saved the price of admission and hopefully spent the time doing something you enjoyed doing.
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So, which is it? A movie about a doll, or a deeply philosophical critique of the modern feminist movement? Or, are you perhaps suggesting that a movie can be about a kid's toy and also have deeper subtextual meaning to it? Because that's what I've been arguing all along: that entertainment in general is being produced with sometimes subtle, sometimes overt messaging in it, and conservatives ought to be paying attention to that instead of dismissing it out of hand. Which, interestingly, was your first move.
I didn't see the movie. I saw the trailer, read about the previous work of the director (Greta Gerwig), and saw the early reviews, and decided that the movie wasn't for me. YMMV. If you saw it and enjoyed it, good for you. If you saw it and didn't enjoy it, that sucks. If, like me, you decided not to see it, then you saved the price of admission and hopefully spent the time doing something you enjoyed doing.
You've already admitted that you have no idea what you're talking about, for the simple reason that you didn't see the movie. And yet you persist.
Face it, as Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a good smoke, even though it always carries certain affinities with phallic symbolism. This is nothing more than a feel-good movie for mothers and daughters. It is not some sort of dangerous covert woke attack on some precious never-existed traditional culture.
But you don't want that answer. You want to be offended. So, go right ahead and be offended.
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You've already admitted that you have no idea what you're talking about, for the simple reason that you didn't see the movie. And yet you persist.
Face it, as Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a good smoke, even though it always carries certain affinities with phallic symbolism. This is nothing more than a feel-good movie for mothers and daughters. It is not some sort of dangerous covert woke attack on some precious never-existed traditional culture.
But you don't want that answer. You want to be offended. So, go right ahead and be offended.
Yes, I didn't see it: as I stated, I saw the trailers, I listened to early reviews, I decided it wasn't for me. I didn't say I was offended, you inferred that. As to what message the movie delivers, others who have seen it (including people on this board and people who review movies for a living) have opinions that differ from yours, and yet you dismiss those opinions out of hand also. Why is that?
You seem to have a great need to make sure that people don't think this movie is offensive. That's interesting.
And yes, I persist in stating that movies have messages, and that conservatives should pay attention to those messages. Whatver those messages may be.
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Yes, I didn't see it: as I stated, I saw the trailers, I listened to early reviews, I decided it wasn't for me. I didn't say I was offended, you inferred that. As to what message the movie delivers, others who have seen it (including people on this board and people who review movies for a living) have opinions that differ from yours, and yet you dismiss those opinions out of hand also. Why is that?
You seem to have a great need to make sure that people don't think this movie is offensive. That's interesting.
And yes, I persist in stating that movies have messages, and that conservatives should pay attention to those messages. Whatver those messages may be.
You seem to have a whole lot invested in making sure people hate a movie you've never seen because you've been told by other people that it has strange hidden messages of "wokeness" that will further vitiate traditional culture.
I'm simply trying to set you straight. Oh well. :shrug:
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You seem to have a whole lot invested in making sure people hate a movie you've never seen because you've been told by other people that it has strange hidden messages of "wokeness" that will further vitiate traditional culture.
I'm simply trying to set you straight. Oh well. :shrug:
Wow, way to disregard what I'm saying. OK, whatever. I have made my point several times, you have failed to grasp it or outright ignored it. And again, conservatives wonder why they lost the culture war. :shrug:
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Wow, way to disregard what I'm saying. OK, whatever. I have made my point several times, you have failed to grasp it or outright ignored it. And again, conservatives wonder why they lost the culture war. :shrug:
You haven't made a single point so far, other than that you are all too willing to regurgitate other peoples' talking points without thinking them through first yourself.
Too bad. :shrug:
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I get the feeling you liked the movie, Kamaji?
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I get the feeling you liked the movie, Kamaji?
More or less. It was relatively harmless fun.
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You haven't made a single point so far, other than that you are all too willing to regurgitate other peoples' talking points without thinking them through first yourself.
Too bad. :shrug:
Point 1: movies have messages, even movies about a kid's toy
Point 2: conservatives should pay attention to those messages
Do you disagree with either point? If so, why?
What "talking points" have I "regurgitated"? By posting a link to Drinker's review, I demonstrated that other people have opinions about the movie which differ from yours. Based on early reviews similar to his, and on the trailers that I saw, I decided not to see the movie. Since when has deciding to see or not see a movie based on critic's reviews and trailers become an invalid course of action?
So you're "trying to set me straight" that the Barbie movie isn't a hot mess of woke intersectional feminism? OK, why should I believe your opinion over anyone else's opinion? Maybe your opinion is wrong. Or do you never consider that possibility?
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Point 1: movies have messages, even movies about a kid's toy
Point 2: conservatives should pay attention to those messages
Do you disagree with either point? If so, why?
What "talking points" have I "regurgitated"? By posting a link to Drinker's review, I demonstrated that other people have opinions about the movie which differ from yours. Based on early reviews similar to his, and on the trailers that I saw, I decided not to see the movie. Since when has deciding to see or not see a movie based on critic's reviews and trailers become an invalid course of action?
So you're "trying to set me straight" that the Barbie movie isn't a hot mess of woke intersectional feminism? OK, why should I believe your opinion over anyone else's opinion? Maybe your opinion is wrong. Or do you never consider that possibility?
If you say so, chief. You're the one who launched into the diatribe, over a movie you haven't even seen.
I have seen it. And I can say that it doesn't bear any of the "woke" messages your sources are all screaming that it does. But don't trust me; go see it yourself.
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If you say so, chief. You're the one who launched into the diatribe, over a movie you haven't even seen.
I have seen it. And I can say that it doesn't bear any of the "woke" messages your sources are all screaming that it does. But don't trust me; go see it yourself.
You've launched your own diatribes on this thread, "chief". You say it isn't woke, others say it is. That's all there is to it.
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You've launched your own diatribes on this thread, "chief". You say it isn't woke, others say it is. That's all there is to it.
Whatever, chief. Next time, see the movie before you criticize. Doing otherwise is what liberals do.
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Whatever, chief. Next time, see the movie before you criticize. Doing otherwise is what liberals do.
Nowhere did I criticize the movie. I quoted other people criticizing the movie.
Misrepresenting people's statements and actions is what liberals do.
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Nowhere did I criticize the movie. I quoted other people criticizing the movie.
Misrepresenting people's statements and actions is what liberals do.
Yeah, right. And Joe Biden wasn't soliciting bribes because all he did was talk about the weather.
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Kinda amusing to see folks arguing about a film that (without having seen it, because I would NEVER waste my time watching such a film) probably isn't traditional-leaning in any way and in all likelihood endeavours to attack traditional and conservative mores.
No interest in this film.
Actually, the last time I walked into a movie theater was... 1993.
After 30 years, I have no desire to do so again.
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Yeah, right. And Joe Biden wasn't soliciting bribes because all he did was talk about the weather.
My apologies, I reviewed my posts on this thread and in one post I did imply that the movie was feminist propaganda. I can see where you might have taken that as my criticism of the movie. However, it wasn't: I was relaying the opinion of reviewers who have stated that the movie is feminist propaganda. But I will admit that is a fine line.
Comparing me to Joe Biden is downright insulting though.
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There are a number of "must see" flicks that I've never seen. For instance, "Titanic."
When people jump and down screeching that your life is worthless if you don't see a certain motion picture, then I go out of my way not to see it.
If "Barbie" shows up on HBO or Showtime and other members of my family want to watch it, well alright, I might sit through it.
But I've seen a number of flicks in the last twenty years that were declared great that I found to be a lot less than great. Like "Gladiator" which I had a tough time not falling asleep through.
So, if people like/love "Barbie," fine by me. My life will go on if I don't see it. From the numerous reviews of the flick I've read, it does not interest me much.
But if whoever sees it and likes it...that's fine by me too.
I am much more interested in "Oppenheimer" which I will make a definite attempt to see.
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I trust my own eyes and time spent in the theater more than I trust someone else - no matter whom - with an ideological axe to grind.
It was a movie, about a doll, whose greatest joy at the end was going to see the gynecologist for the first time.
I thought the fun part of the review was his mention of Barbie fates in real life, as chew toys for the dog, frequently left naked and often at least partially dismembered. If I had a dime for every decapitated Barbie (or knock-off) I'd ever seen (four daughters, seven granddaughters, six great granddaughters) I could buy a sheikdom... Obviously, Barbies just don't do so well once they come off the shelf and out of the original wrapper, and for some reason eventually suffer the fate of trophy wife types almost everywhere, discarded for the latest model, doomed to being duct taped to roller skates and leftover fireworks...
I'll pass on the movie, at least in theaters. If it comes up on some streaming service and one of my great-grands wants to see it, I'll likely pipe it in for her and see what I see.
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I thought the fun part of the review was his mention of Barbie fates in real life, as chew toys for the dog, frequently left naked and often at least partially dismembered. If I had a dime for every decapitated Barbie (or knock-off) I'd ever seen (four daughters, seven granddaughters, six great granddaughters) I could buy a sheikdom... Obviously, Barbies just don't do so well once they come off the shelf and out of the original wrapper, and for some reason eventually suffer the fate of trophy wife types almost everywhere, discarded for the latest model, doomed to being duct taped to roller skates and leftover fireworks...
I'll pass on the movie, at least in theaters. If it comes up on some streaming service and one of my great-grands wants to see it, I'll likely pipe it in for her and see what I see.
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My wife took my autistic adult son to see it because he absolutely loves going to movies more than he loves going fishing with dad
I didn’t go because I was afraid I would run into one of my coworkers and have to explain why I’m going to go see a Barbie movie wink777