No. I think it is going to prove to be more detrimental than beneficial. I DO NOT TRUST OUR GOVERNMENT PERIOD.
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Maybe. I need to read up on the safety and efficacy of it.Same. As I said before, being in the far back of the line I have the benefit of waiting and seeing, but I'm desperate enough to get back to normal socializing that I will seriously consider it.
When available for the general public, I will get the shot. Not for humanity but for myself and my family.
Same. As I said before, being in the far back of the line I have the benefit of waiting and seeing, but I'm desperate enough to get back to normal socializing that I will seriously consider it.
Only if @corbe says so. Lol. :whistle:
IMHO medical marijuana/CBD oil, or some really good pot will probably work far better than any vaccine and is a heck of a lot better for the body and the immune system.
From first hand experience I know that when I'm Stoned I don't think about Covid, Stolen Elections or much of anything except Sexy Woman and Doritos.
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Wingnut...I missed this. What blood type does COVID not like? Literally, folks are not getting it with this blood type?
I have the blood type the rona hates.
I am a geezer. I have no comorbid shit to deal with. I ain't fat, I ain't got the sugars nor high blood pressure. I have the blood type the rona hates.....so i'll take my chances and live my life without a shot in the dark. Give my dose to Obumer.Pretty much describes my situation as well. Only tetanus shots in the last few years and one shot of a pneumonia vaccine. No flu shots and no flu. rarely (like maybe one a decade) a cold. No thanks. If I haven't already had it (which I suspect), I still don't want the vaccine, and if I have, I'll go with the antibodies God gave me.
It’s weird. I always pictured our members younger than me. Late forties.
Why aren't they working on a covid3 vaccine?
Sheesh, haven’t you heard? There’s no plan. Papa Joe is gonna fix that.
... According to the USA Today/Suffolk University Poll, 46 percent said they will take the vaccine as soon as they can – almost double the 26 percent who were ready to get the shot as soon as possible in a USA Today poll in late October.NY Post (https://nypost.com/2020/12/22/americans-readiness-to-receive-covid-19-vaccine-jumps-poll/)
In the new poll, 32 percent of the respondents said they would wait for others to get the shots before they do so themselves. ...
Those most reluctant to getting a vaccine remain unpersuaded. In October, one in five said they wouldn’t take the shot — now or later. An identical 20 percent said that in the latest survey. ...
I missed this. What blood type does COVID not like? Literally, folks are not getting it with this blood type?
Jafo, people with type O are less likely to get the rona.
It’s weird. I always pictured our members younger than me. Late forties.
@Gefn
Not to worry. The older you get,the more childlike you become.
Or at least that is the rumor I have been hearing.
BTW,on a serious note,the fact that most posters on a political board are geezers really shouldn't be surprising. Younger people tend to be more optimistic due to their lack of life experiences,plus they are out chasing after the opposite sex after work.
By the time most people become geezers the optimism has been stompted out of them,they are married,divorced,or just no longer give a damn,have decades of experience at being betrayed politically,and nothing much to do other than try to out the bastards that have been betraying us and the nation all our lives.
I always figured the average age here was in the low to mid 60's.
Not only no but HELL NO! Got my vote.
Why would I allow them to inject me with some unknown elixir to protect me from something with a 99+% recovery rate?
The logic escapes me.
I was born a crotchety geezer.
@Bigun
You see no advantage to avoiding weeks of suffering and lost wages?
I'm retired.
@Bigun
Retired people don't suffer from illnesses where you live?
If you want to take the vaccine be my guest! In fact, you can have mine. I'm not playing this game anymore.
Not only no but HELL NO! Got my vote.
Why would I allow them to inject me with some unknown elixir to protect me from something with a 99+% recovery rate?
The logic escapes me.
@Bigun
I understand it is your personal choice,and I agree you have a right to make it. Wouldn't want to change it if I could.
Just understand there is no nobility,science,or facts involved. It is nothing but personal choice.
I understand that this entire COVID episode is nothing but a GIANT scam created to enable the stealing of the presidency of the United States of America.
I understand that this entire COVID episode is nothing but a GIANT scam created to enable the stealing of the presidency of the United States of America.
I had the impression most were older. I'm 55.
Damn... I always thought you were myseniorsuperior... Damn...
I'm retired.
Fixed your typo.
Please, just kidding, letting the voices in my head escape a little sometime. Merry Christmas!!! Joy to all!!
@Bigun
You see no advantage to avoiding weeks of suffering and lost wages?
My only threat to lost wages is a positive test, which the vaccine will guarantee.
Messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) vaccines are a novel technology that stimulates the body’s own immune response. These vaccines contain information from messenger RNA, including the “blueprint†or code of a specific virus trait (virus antigen). The information enables the body to produce this antigen on its own: mRNA transfers the information for the production of the antigen to our cell machinery that makes proteins. Cells in our body then present the antigen on their surface and thus trigger the desired specific immune response. When the body comes into contact with the virus, the immune system recognizes the specific antigen and can fight the virus and thus the infection quickly and in a targeted manner.
With COVID-19, the entry of the coronavirus into the host cell in humans is intervened by the coronavirus spike protein that is located on the surface of the virus. mRNA vaccines against COVID-19 are designed to provide our bodies with the code to produce the non-infectious virus spike protein to instruct the cell’s machinery to help stimulate a natural immune response. This response is achieved primarily through T-cells and neutralizing of the antibody production, which aim to prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection (and its associated disease, COVID-19). If a vaccinated person later comes into contact with SARS-CoV-2, the immune system will recognize the surface structure and will be able to combat the virus and eliminate it. Neutralizing antibodies targeted at SARS-CoV-2 are circulating in your body and will immediately bind to the virus, “neutralize†it and prevent it from entering the cell, thus protecting you from getting sick. T cells help the immune system to fight intracellular infections and can also kill the infected cells directly.
Neither approved vaccine will result in a positive test. Both are messenger RNA based on the spike protein on the surface of the virus. Neither contains the any form of the virus itself, neither weakened or dead.
https://biontech.de/covid-19-portal/mrna-vaccinesWith COVID-19, the entry of the coronavirus into the host cell in humans is intervened by the coronavirus spike protein that is located on the surface of the virus. mRNA vaccines against COVID-19 are designed to provide our bodies with the code to produce the non-infectious virus spike protein to instruct the cell’s machinery to help stimulate a natural immune response. This response is achieved primarily through T-cells and neutralizing of the antibody production, which aim to prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection (and its associated disease, COVID-19). If a vaccinated person later comes into contact with SARS-CoV-2, the immune system will recognize the surface structure and will be able to combat the virus and eliminate it. Neutralizing antibodies targeted at SARS-CoV-2 are circulating in your body and will immediately bind to the virus, “neutralize†it and prevent it from entering the cell, thus protecting you from getting sick. T cells help the immune system to fight intracellular infections and can also kill the infected cells directly.
@thackney , thanks for the info. I understand the part about the body now being able to recognize the spike protein. But how can the body create antigens that will successfully destroy something it has never come in contact with before? It has no idea what this virus itself is or looks like - only the virus' spike protein.
@thackney , thanks for the info. I understand the part about the body now being able to recognize the spike protein. But how can the body create antigens that will successfully destroy something it has never come in contact with before? It has no idea what this virus itself is or looks like - only the virus' spike protein.
@Hoodat
It does not destroy the virus. in simplistic terms, the spike protein is used by the virus to get into the cell walls and replicate itself. Creating antibodies that prevent the spike protein from taking hold prevents the virus from infecting the person.
Sounds fishy to me. So are you saying the antibodies go after the antigen by covering up all the protein spikes? Has any other vaccine been designed this way? Seems like a universal vaccine could be created to cover all protein spikes regardless of what virus is using them.
Sounds fishy to me. So are you saying the antibodies go after the antigen by covering up all the protein spikes? Has any other vaccine been designed this way? Seems like a universal vaccine could be created to cover all protein spikes regardless of what virus is using them.
95% effective and does not involve injecting me with a form of the virus? Yes, I'll have the fish please.
I still find it interesting that no one can definitlvely provide info on how long this vax will be effective. Boosters in x amount of months? Once?
That part of the equation gives me pause, though I'll probably take the thing any way.
It’s almost certain that the immune response initially generated will wane over time. We don’t yet know the lowest amount of immunity that needs to be retained to protect against infection, nor what type of immunity provides this protection.
If vaccine-induced immune responses – such as antibodies or T cells – can wane to very low levels but still prevent infection, then this vaccine will protect people for a long time. But if immune responses must be constantly kept high for protection, it won’t.
They found high levels of binding and neutralizing antibodies that decreased slightly over time, which was expected. But in all participants, those levels were still high three months after the second vaccination. They also stratified the responses by age, by those 18 to 55 years of age, 56 to 70 years of age, and 71 years and older. Serum neutralizing antibodies were detected in all participants at day 119.
They conclude, “Although correlates of protection against SARS-CoV-2 injection in humans are not yet established, these results show that despite a slight expected decline in titers of binding and neutralizing antibodies, mRNA-1273 has the potential to provide durable humoral immunity.â€
I do not trust American medicine, and particularly pharma.If the book refers to SV-40, yep, I have heard of that. Thimoserol is a preservative which contains small amounts of mercury, and was common in many vaccines. Then, too, there are questions about the use of peanut oil as a squalene, and perhaps that has something to do with widespread anaphylactic reactions to peanuts...
I read a very interesting book years ago, Dr. Mary's Monkey. I came across it at the section in Barnes & Noble where folks working in the store read books and recommend what they read. They have a 3" x 5" card with a brief explanation of why to read the book. This book was one such book. I encourage all to read it here.
One notion from the book is that vaccines administered in the 50s and early 60s caused soft tissue cancer, and a leading virologist back in the day was working to resolve the issues with cancer and vaccines. AND, Lee Harvey Oswald was working with her at the time. Him and David Ferry.
I do not want to give away too much in the book, but a very fascinating read.
In any case, I think there is something to the notion that vaccines are a trigger for autism. The medical industry can deny it all they want, but I say there is something to it. I would advise anyone having a baby today to hold off from giving a child a vaccine as long as possible for that reason. We are talking about an industry that works in units of billions of dollars, and those revenue dollars dictate what is said and done, and not what is in the best interest of the patient or population.
... Among 225,556 Canadians who were tested for the virus, the risk for a COVID-19 diagnosis was 12% lower and the risk for severe COVID-19 or death was 13% lower in people with blood group O versus those with A, AB, or B, researchers reported on Tuesday in Annals of Internal Medicine. People in any blood group who were Rh-negative were also somewhat protected, especially if they had O-negative blood. People in these blood type groups may have developed antibodies that can recognize some aspect of the new virus, coauthor Dr. Joel Ray of St. Michael's Hospital in Toronto told Reuters. ...Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-science-idUSKBN2872LH)
... Danish researchers analyzed a sample of 7,422 people who tested positive for the virus and found that only 38 percent had type O blood, according to research published in the journal Blood Advances.NY Post (https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/people-with-blood-type-o-may-have-lower-risk-of-covid-19-infection/)
Meanwhile, 44 percent of people with type A blood had contracted the deadly bug.
In the second study, published in the same journal, Canadian researchers found that critically ill COVID-19 patients with blood types O or B had a median intensive care unit stay of 9 days. By contrast, people with A or AB blood stayed 13.5 days.
The researchers also found that 61 percent of critically ill patients with O or B blood types had to be hooked up to ventilators — significantly less than the 84 percent of people with A or AB blood types who needed the breathing machines. ...
Sure i'll take it. I'm 76 for Chrissakes.
Not only no but HELL NO! And I'm 72 with multiple risk factors. I do not trust anything now and my blood type is O.
My concern with the vaccine was that it seemed to have been rushed through.This is a legitimate concern, even if things can be done more quickly these days.
why would I want to inject a virus that has the potential to have horrible side affects to my already compromised health?
@libertasbella
This vaccine is not a weakened or dead virus. It is a messenger RNA that prevents the virus from taking hold. Both US vaccines work this way focusing on the spike protein that allows the virus into the cells. Blocking that, stops the ability to infect.
It is not like the flu vaccine. It does not require a culture to grow a vaccine, harvest, weaken and process. This is also the reason it is produced so much faster.
@thackney
Thank you for the explanation. I had no idea this was possible.
I survived the rona virus, so no to the vaccine. However, I have a feeling that the power-hungry bureaucrats are going to force me to take it if I ever want to take a plane ride again.At the very least. Who knows how many places will deny admittance without a vax certificate?
At the very least. Who knows how many places will deny admittance without a vax certificate?
What say you, Briefers?
I will get it. I think it's as safe as any vaccine, and I think that herd immunity is the only way to get rid of this virus. Otherwise they will keep things locked down until society collapses.
I will get it. I think it's as safe as any vaccine, and I think that herd immunity is the only way to get rid of this virus. Otherwise they will keep things locked down until society collapses.
Considering the roughly 98.08% recovery rate, that can be the only and apparent motive.
Most of you here had measles, small-pox, dip-tet, shingles vaccines, etc., and didn't give it a second thought. Why all the concern over this one?
@libertasbella
This vaccine is not a weakened or dead virus. It is a messenger RNA that prevents the virus from taking hold. Both US vaccines work this way focusing on the spike protein that allows the virus into the cells. Blocking that, stops the ability to infect.
It is not like the flu vaccine. It does not require a culture to grow a vaccine, harvest, weaken and process. This is also the reason it is produced so much faster.
I am anti-vax for two reasons... First and foremost, I have very little trust in Western medicine. For taking things off and bolting things on, they're the best. But being one who is in a long term undefined illness, I can tell you with great certainty that Western medicine is designed toward maintenance rather than healing - Because it is in the maintenance where profit lies.
Secondly, for religious aspects that I will not easily cross - I am a Torah keeper, and while I freely admit my ineptness in that, kosher prevents me from putting things in my body that are unfamiliar to me, and certainly that which Yah does not permit.
There are reasons why he said to stay away from sorcerers that mutter in ancient tongues. That they have traded in the long robe and pointy hat for a white frock coat does not make much difference to me.
Without a doubt I have had far more recovery and healing from alternatives than I ever did with Western medicine. I will keep going as I am.
And had I a decision in the process, I would not have taken the vaccines I have, all of which was involuntary with the exception of tetanus - which I have also not received for nigh on 20 years now.
So, have you taken the Covid-19 vaccine yet?
66minnie
I will not be eligible until it is available to the general population. I will take it then.
I have several friends including my daughter that were in the first tier group that have already taken it.
No adverse side effects, then? No allergic reactions?
I personally know of several dozen people who have taken the vaccine, some have received both doses now. Not one has reported any real side effects.
Ok, well I certainly understand and empathize if it's for religious grounds.
I also get what you say about maintenance. I was far down a path, due to my diet, of an unpleasant and unhealthy life. My A1C numbers were terrible, and I was diagnosed with "pre-diabetes". My doctor had me on a statin, and then put me on this medicine, metformin. I felt absolutely awful when taking this stuff. This was the motivator to change. I started going to the gym, doing daily walks and sometimes runs, and while I was actively working on weight loss I also did intermittent fasting. I dropped 50 pounds, my A1C numbers came back down, and I was able to throw the medication in the trash. But in the process, I learned how much these statin drugs are over-prescribed.
I will get it. I think it's as safe as any vaccine, and I think that herd immunity is the only way to get rid of this virus. Otherwise they will keep things locked down until society collapses.I won't get it.
Yes, so there is some data coming out now that immunity lasts around 5 months. So for the virus to go away, we need a ~1 month window where we have herd immunity. There are no definitive conclusions on the threshold necessary to hit herd immunity for COVID-19, but estimates are in the 60-70% range. It's unlikely we will ever achieve that with natural infections, especially when you consider immunity only lasts about 5 months (latest data, but not conclusively proven yet). It may be more now that this uber-contagious UK variant is out there. The vaccine is the surest way to hit that threshold.In response to the remark in bold, and as you have noted, those vaccines were manufactured differently. This is a new and novel technology, manufactured for a manufactured virus in a manufactured crisis. Cheap and effective treatments were suppressed to push this, and I can't attribute the resultant panic, pain, death, and economic destruction to altruism.
TBH, I'm not sure why all the scare-mongering over these vaccines. The method of action of the vaccine is new, but it's likely to be THE method for creating all new vaccines in the future. It is a very efficient way to create new vaccines. Once the virus make-up is known, they can engineer a vaccine in a matter of days, and immediately go into the process to validate safety and efficacy. These new mRNA vaccines do not modify your DNA or do anything nefarious. They just leverage mechanisms in your cells to produce the proteins that trigger the immune response. The vaccine does not self-propagate, i.e. once the messenger RNA in the vaccine dose is used up, your body stops making the proteins and its done.
Most of you here had measles, small-pox, dip-tet, shingles vaccines, etc., and didn't give it a second thought. Why all the concern over this one?
Also, regarding that 98.08%, or whatever it is, you need to consider that even though you recover, there's a significant chance you will have long lasting health impacts including reduced lung capacity. I personally don't want to be huffing and puffing every time I walk up a hill.
Nope. I'm not going to be a lab rat.
Twenty-three people died in Norway within days of receiving their first dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, with 13 of those deaths — all nursing home patients — apparently related to the side effects of the shots, health officials said.
Common reactions to the vaccine, including fever and nausea, “may have contributed to a fatal outcome in some frail patients,†Sigurd Hortemo, chief physician at the Norwegian Medicines Agency, said in a Friday statement.
All 13 were nursing home patients and at least 80 years old. ...
Besides those who died, nine had serious side effects — including allergic reactions, strong discomfort and severe fever — while seven had less serious ones, including severe pain at the injection site. ...
“…the WHO protocols Pfizer used to produce the mRNA [for the vaccine] do not appear to identify any nucleotide sequences that are unique to the SARS-CoV-2 virus. When investigator Fran Leader questioned Pfizer they confirmed: ‘The DNA template does not come directly from an isolated virus from an infected person’.â€
NY Post reports 23 die in Norway after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine: officials (https://nypost.com/2021/01/15/23-die-in-norway-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter):
23 is more than covid actually killed.
Norway reports 517 deaths from COVID.
NY Post reports 23 die in Norway after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine: officials (https://nypost.com/2021/01/15/23-die-in-norway-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter):
According to the Texas Department of State Health Services, through Dec. 29, 250,000 vaccines were administered in Texas. During that same time frame, 287 events were reported to VAERS in Texas.
Eleven of the events were classified as serious. This included the death of an 84-year old woman and another person who reported they were permanently disabled. The rest of the serious cases reported spent four days or less in the hospital.
That means 0.004% of the vaccines administered in Texas in 2020 resulted in a serious event reported to the CDC.
Pfeizer and Moderna require two consecutive doses and Johnson and Johnson has a vaccine that only requires one dose.
Janssen is using the same technology that it has used in the development of its Ebola vaccine and investigational HIV, RSV and Zika vaccine candidates, which involves using an inactivated common cold virus that's not replicating.