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General Category => Sports/Entertainment/MSM/Social Media => Topic started by: Politics4us on August 21, 2014, 04:49:55 am
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_Americans
I always found his politics to be pro-Muslim.
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So. He still puts on a good show and has interesting subjects. I liked Art Bell better. He was pretty liberal but still had interesting subjects on his show.
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His show is horrible. It's not entertaining.
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His show is horrible. It's not entertaining.
Originally I thought that his show was going to be a dud but I like it. Art Bell Seems to like him. If Art did not like him Art would not have chose him as his replacement. If the show was horrible he would be off the air. So there are people listening to his program. According to estimates by Talkers Magazine, Coast to Coast AM draws approximately 3 million listeners, making it the most listened-to program in its time slot.
"The Top Talk Radio Audiences (Updated 3/11)". Talkers Magazine. Retrieved January 6, 2012
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So. He still puts on a good show and has interesting subjects. I liked Art Bell better. He was pretty liberal but still had interesting subjects on his show.
I mean, who can turn off the radio and go to bed when the subject is Alien Bigfoots creating crop circles to signal UFOs to blanket the sky with chemtrails, which makes everyone see the Shadow people. I'm talking real entertainment there.
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I mean, who can turn off the radio and go to bed when the subject is Alien Bigfoots creating crop circles to signal UFOs to blanket the sky with chemtrails, which makes everyone see the Shadow people. I'm talking real entertainment there.
Who cares if he is Muslim.I remember Art making harsh statements in the years when he was on the air. He puts on a good show. You are correct its entertaining listening to people who are in psudo science. Obviously he is doing a good job of it because 3 million people listen to him every night over 570 stations. I prefer Art Bell over George.
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Who cares if he is Muslim.I remember Art making harsh statements in the years when he was on the air. He puts on a good show. You are correct its entertaining listening to people who are in psudo science. Obviously he is doing a good job of it because 3 million people listen to him every night over 570 stations. I prefer Art Bell over George.
It's important that he's part Arab, because it explains his pro-Muslim Middle Eastern stance. I don't think Art Bell likes the job Noory is doing.
Art Bell
August 30, 2013 · Pahrump, NV ·
"I guess it is about time to straighten a few things out. I had no input or voice into the choice of George Noory as Host...none. He recently, after Dark Matter was announced dropped my name from mention then he says put it back because it was the right thing to do, nonsense, he did it so he could stop open line callers from being cut off because they kept trying to mention my new show. That is why he announced it. I wanted my name dropped from the show as well as my Saturday shows stopped to be blunt because I hated the direction the show had taken and no longer wanted to be associated with it. George is I am sure a nice guy BUT he has become lazy and does not pay attention. I am sorry to be so blunt but that's how I feel. I hope what little competition I can provide will cause him to up his game."
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It's important that he's part Arab, because it explains his pro-Muslim Middle Eastern stance. I don't think Art Bell likes the job Noory is doing.
Art Bell
August 30, 2013 · Pahrump, NV ·
"I guess it is about time to straighten a few things out. I had no input or voice into the choice of George Noory as Host...none. He recently, after Dark Matter was announced dropped my name from mention then he says put it back because it was the right thing to do, nonsense, he did it so he could stop open line callers from being cut off because they kept trying to mention my new show. That is why he announced it. I wanted my name dropped from the show as well as my Saturday shows stopped to be blunt because I hated the direction the show had taken and no longer wanted to be associated with it. George is I am sure a nice guy BUT he has become lazy and does not pay attention. I am sorry to be so blunt but that's how I feel. I hope what little competition I can provide will cause him to up his game."
He is still entertaining and has 3 million listeners every night. He is in the number 6 slot in the radio talk show hosts. If you do not like him or his politics just turn off the radio. All you need is to flip the switch or turn the knob to the off position.
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Honestly, this is a silly topic. Who cares what Americans are part Arab. It doesn't make them any less loyal to this country or any less of a good citizen. Hell, Danny Thomas is on this list. Making a big deal of who's on this list could be construed as racist by some.
As far as George Noory and Art bell before him - On nights when its hard to fall asleep, their shows are always good entertainment, regardless of how off the wall the topic was. In fact the more crazy the topic, the better the callers to the show.
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Honestly, this is a silly topic. Who cares what Americans are part Arab. It doesn't make them any less loyal to this country or any less of a good citizen. Hell, Danny Thomas is on this list. Making a big deal of who's on this list could be It could be construed as racist by some.
As far as George Noory and Art bell before him - On nights when its hard to fall asleep, their shows are always good entertainment, regardless of how off the wall the topic was. In fact the more crazy the topic, the better the callers to the show.
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It's important that he's part Arab, because it explains his pro-Muslim Middle Eastern stance. I don't think Art Bell likes the job Noory is doing.
Being Arab or not is not an absolute indicator of anything. His stances on the ME do not necessarily have anything to do with who his parents are. There are Arabs and non-Arabs on all sides of these issues.
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Honestly, this is a silly topic. Who cares what Americans are part Arab. It doesn't make them any less loyal to this country or any less of a good citizen. Hell, Danny Thomas is on this list. Making a big deal of who's on this list could be It could be construed as racist by some.
As far as George Noory and Art bell before him - On nights when its hard to fall asleep, their shows are always good entertainment, regardless of how off the wall the topic was. In fact the more crazy the topic, the better the callers to the show.
I agree. The best guests are the UFO "experts" such as Linda Moulton Howe and John Houge.
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Also, Muslims are far too large a group of people to say something like "He's pro-Muslim." What exactly does that even mean? There are 100 different ways you could be pro-Muslim depending on what exactly you're talking about. I am pro-Muslim in that I believe the vast majority of them are decent and moral people that want to live good lives. Being outright anti-Muslim would just make you a bigot. We need to stop letting extremist minorities cloud our judgment.
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First of all, he has 3 million listeners, because he has no competition. Secondly, you said Art Bell chose Noory as his replacement when he didn't. Thirdly, you say I should turn the dial....you could say the same thing about conservatives complaining about liberals on tv. As far as Noory being part Arab, I'm just pointing out that it may shed light on why his Middle Eastern stance is what it is. One of the few times that Noory stated that he disagreed with a guest's views was when Glenn Beck was on. The audio is here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rckFS1S-UI
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Also, Muslims are far too large a group of people to say something like "He's pro-Muslim." What exactly does that even mean? There are 100 different ways you could be pro-Muslim depending on what exactly you're talking about. I am pro-Muslim in that I believe the vast majority of them are decent and moral people that want to live good lives. Being outright anti-Muslim would just make you a bigot. We need to stop letting extremist minorities cloud our judgment.
You sound like a Republican beltway type. Noory's pro-Muslim views pertain to news stories involving the U.S. and Israel in Middle Eastern conflicts.
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Most Arabs in the US are Christian.
The country with the largest Muslim population is Indonesia.
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First of all, he has 3 million listeners, because he has no competition. Secondly, you said Art Bell chose Noory as his replacement when he didn't. Thirdly, you say I should turn the dial....you could say the same thing about conservatives complaining about liberals on tv. As far as Noory being part Arab, I'm just pointing out that it may shed light on why his Middle Eastern stance is what it is. One of the few times that Noory stated that he disagreed with a guest's views was when Glenn Beck was on. The audio is here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rckFS1S-UI
Right if you don't like is radio show shut it off. No one is forcing you to listen to his show with a gun to your head. You have the freedom to choose whether to listen to him. This is not Russia. There are many shows I do not like and I go to another program and push a button. If you want to listen to more radio/satellite station buy a Sirius XM station. There are many radio/satellite stations there
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You sound like a Republican beltway type.
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Honestly, this is a silly topic. Who cares what Americans are part Arab. It doesn't make them any less loyal to this country or any less of a good citizen. Hell, Danny Thomas is on this list. Making a big deal of who's on this list could be It could be construed as racist by some.
As far as George Noory and Art bell before him - On nights when its hard to fall asleep, their shows are always good entertainment, regardless of how off the wall the topic was. In fact the more crazy the topic, the better the callers to the show.
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I do agree that this topic have some racial overtones to it.
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Most Arabs in the US are Christian.
The country with the largest Muslim population is Indonesia.
He's Lebanese, which is mostly Muslim. Why do you think Casey Kasem was a big supporter of the Palestinians?
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Right if you don't like is radio show shut it off. No one is forcing you to listen to his show with a gun to your head. You have the freedom to choose whether to listen to him. This is not Russia. There are many shows I do not like and I go to another program and push a button. If you want to listen to more radio/satellite station buy a Sirius XM station. There are many radio/satellite stations there
Why are you reading my thread?
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I do agree that this topic have some racial overtones to it.
Please.
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Most Arabs in the US are Christian.
The country with the largest Muslim population is Indonesia.
I work with 3 Iranians and 1 Afghani . All born and schooled in those countries, finishing their college degrees here. And all Christian and very good people. I have no reason to fear people because of the color of their skin or family origin. I thought we left that racist nonsense behind us when the last Japanese American left the internment camps.
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Why is this thread in the National News/Current Events forum? :whistle:
I didn't know who George Noory is, nor did I really need to know. Isn't there a media forum here?
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I work with 3 Iranians and 1 Afghani . All born and schooled in those countries, finishing their college degrees here. And all Christian and very good people. I have no reason to fear people because of the color of their skin or family origin. I thought we left that racist nonsense behind us when the last Japanese American left the internment camps.
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And you are correct there are many Arabic people who are Christians. My sister in law is Arabic and she is a Christian.
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Why are you reading my thread?
I am responding to your ill informed answers. Syria which is a Arabic dictatorship has a heavy Christian population. They have been in Syria for over 2000 years(33 A.D). If you read your Bible the first mentioning of the Christians in Syria is in the book of Acts. Also the first to convert there were Jews in the Damascus area. Saint Paul spent many years that area.Arab Christians, forming Greek Orthodox (including Arab Orthodox) and Latin Christian communities, are estimated to be 2,300,000 in Syria, a 400,000 in Jordan and an equal number or more among the Palestinian Arab population and within the Arab-Israeli population combined.The Arab Christians largely belong to the Greek Orthodox or Antiochian Orthodox Churches, though there are also adherents to other churches: Melkite Greek Catholic Church, Latin Catholic Church, and Protestant Churches
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Christians#cite_note-walid-3
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I work with 3 Iranians and 1 Afghani . All born and schooled in those countries, finishing their college degrees here. And all Christian and very good people. I have no reason to fear people because of the color of their skin or family origin. I thought we left that racist nonsense behind us when the last Japanese American left the internment camps.
Well said!!!
Thing is - you had left it behind. Almost, this stuff takes time. Even the '08 election was an indicator that the color/origin based crap was pretty much gone, and about time too. Then look what happened. I sometimes think this is one heck of an acid flashback to the 60's.
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Well said!!!
Thing is - you had left it behind. Almost, this stuff takes time. Even the '08 election was an indicator that the color/origin based crap was pretty much gone, and about time too. Then look what happened. I sometimes think this is one heck of an acid flashback to the 60's.
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He's Lebanese, which is mostly Muslim. Why do you think Casey Kasem was a big supporter of the Palestinians?
Most Lebanese in the USA are Christian, frequently Maronite Catholic or Greek Orthodox.
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You sound like a Republican beltway type. Noory's pro-Muslim views pertain to news stories involving the U.S. and Israel in Middle Eastern conflicts.
Who? Dex4974?
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I work with 3 Iranians and 1 Afghani . All born and schooled in those countries, finishing their college degrees here. And all Christian and very good people. I have no reason to fear people because of the color of their skin or family origin. I thought we left that racist nonsense behind us when the last Japanese American left the internment camps.
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Most Lebanese in the USA are Christian, frequently Maronite Catholic or Greek Orthodox.
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Lebanon holds the largest number of Christians in the Arab world proportionally and falls just behind Egypt in absolute numbers. It is known that Christians made up between 65%-85%
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George Noory is Roman Catholic, according to his biography.
http://www.conservapedia.com/George_Noory
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George Noory is Roman Catholic, according to his biography.
http://www.conservapedia.com/George_Noory
George Noory served nine years in the United States Naval Reserve as a full Lieutenant. Noory is a Roman Catholic of Lebanese descent
On various shows George has in various ways let it be known that he believes in God and that God is all knowing and powerful. George has encouraged prayer for various persons.
Noory's family is said to be of Lebanese Christian descent and his father was born in Cairo, Egypt, in 1922. According to Noory, he was brought up as a Roman Catholic and his mother was a devout Catholic
You are absolutely correct. He is even mentioned in a conservative website.
Concerning the issue of Art Bell:
On March 10, 2007, Noory introduced Art Bell for his Lifetime Achievement Award from "Radio & Records," the radio industry trade journal.The next week he replayed his introductory speech and Art Bell's acceptance speech. Noory revealed that although he has worked for Coast to Coast AM since 2001, that night was the first time he had met Art Bell in person.
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Any American who would fear these Lebanese just because where they were born needs physiological help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0ZS9o6NLnM
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Any American who would fear these Lebanese just because where they were born needs physiological help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d26DSsQvFDM
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Do not forget he is Lebanese and he is Roman Catholic
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There is a lot of ignorance in America I'm afraid about the middle east, and the people who live there. There are Christians there. Lots of them, even in places like Iraq and Iran. Good people no more a threat to you than the family siting in the pew in front of you at church. In fact they may dress and look not much different than the family in that pew.
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There is a lot of ignorance in America I'm afraid about the middle east, and the people who live there. There are Christians there. Lots of them, even in places like Iraq and Iran. Good people no more a threat to you than the family siting in the pew in front of you at church. In fact they may dress and look not much different than the family in that pew.
I agree. They practice in faith according to the laws in those countries and the governments leave them alone. According to Acts 2:9 in the Acts of the Apostles there were Persians, Parthians and Medes among the very first new Christian converts at Pentecost. Since then there has been a continuous presence of Christians in Iran.The government guarantees the recognized Christian minorities a number of rights (production and sale of non-halal foods), representation in parliament, special family law.The Christians of Iraq are considered to be one of the oldest surviving continuous Christian communities in the world. These are Christians who are Arabs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iraq
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iran
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My co-worker, an Iranian girl who is Christian just held a wedding for her daughter. Her Iranian relatives flew in from all over the country and many flew in from Iran. Seeing the wedding photos and photos of all the people (Iranian people) sure destroys the myth that they are all fanatical turban wearing bearded minions of the Ayatollah. It was nothing like that, at all.
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My co-worker, an Iranian girl who is Christian just held a wedding for her daughter. Her Iranian relatives flew in from all over the country and many flew in from Iran. Seeing the wedding photos and photos of all the people (Iranian people) sure destroys the myth that they are all fanatical turban wearing bearded minions of the Ayatollah. It was nothing like that, at all.
Arab governments only ask the Christians to abide by "rules of the road" and they will be left alone. As you have mentioned the Iranian community have left alone and the Christians live there in an Islamic state . These governments cannot wipe out communities that have been there for 2000 years. Look at the Coptic Christian Community in Egypt, they have been relatively been allowed to practice their faith for 2000 years. In Syria, Christians engage in every aspect of Syrian life.
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George Noory is Roman Catholic, according to his biography.
http://www.conservapedia.com/George_Noory
Conservapedia??? :wtf:
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My co-worker, an Iranian girl who is Christian just held a wedding for her daughter. Her Iranian relatives flew in from all over the country and many flew in from Iran. Seeing the wedding photos and photos of all the people (Iranian people) sure destroys the myth that they are all fanatical turban wearing bearded minions of the Ayatollah. It was nothing like that, at all.
Exactly. They are usually just people. Most good, some you wouldn't trust near your wallet, some you would trust with gold bars but not your wife.
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Just because someone is "Arab" that does not necessarily mean he or she will be pro-Muslim. Many Arabs are Christians, particularly Arab-Americans who descended from parents and grandparents who were running from Muslim persecution in their old countries. I myself am one such American. I am half Lebanese. My father's maternal grandfather and my father's father immigrated here from what was then Syrian Beirut. They were both Christians.
The list of Arab Americans on the Wikipedia link includes quite a few who were born Christians, including Steve Jobs, Ralph Nader, Donna Shalala, Marlo Thomas, etc. Regrettably, quite a few Lebanese are liberals, including in my own family. But they are not Muslims by any means.
The difference between the Lebanese and the Israelis is that the Lebanese have tended to negotiate with the pirates, whereas the Israelis have resisted them. Both strategies have their advantages and disadvantages. But neither has been decisive, at least so far.
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Title:
[[ George Noory is part Arab ]]
Who is George Noory?
I'd never heard of him until someone put this thread up....
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Title:
[[ George Noory is part Arab ]]
Who is George Noory?
I'd never heard of him until someone put this thread up....
After leaving jail, I spent a couple of months in a half-way house. The only TV was in main room. When I went to my bunk every night I had a radio tuned to Noory. He put me sleep every night for two months. Loved his show most of the time. It was entertaining.
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Conservapedia??? :wtf:
Conservapedia is an English-language wiki encyclopedia project written from a self-described American conservative and fundamentalist Christian point of view
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Conservapedia
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Conservapedia is an English-language wiki encyclopedia project written from a self-described American conservative and fundamentalist Christian point of view
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Conservapedia
Thanks. I do know that Conservapedia is a fundamentalist whack job site that embarrasses the conservative movement.
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Thanks. I do know that Conservapedia is a fundamentalist whack job site that embarrasses the conservative movement.
I unfriended the site on Facebook because it was just too over the top at times.
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Thanks. I do know that Conservapedia is a fundamentalist whack job site that embarrasses the conservative movement.
There are things this site embraces.
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I work with 3 Iranians and 1 Afghani . All born and schooled in those countries, finishing their college degrees here. And all Christian and very good people. I have no reason to fear people because of the color of their skin or family origin. I thought we left that racist nonsense behind us when the last Japanese American left the internment camps.
I didn't say anything about Muslims as a whole. I said that Noory's Middle Eastern views maybe shaped by his Arab ancestry.
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And you are correct there are many Arabic people who are Christians. My sister in law is Arabic and she is a Christian.
See, that's why you keep posting in my thread. Your sister in law is Arabic.
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I am responding to your ill informed answers. Syria which is a Arabic dictatorship has a heavy Christian population. They have been in Syria for over 2000 years(33 A.D). If you read your Bible the first mentioning of the Christians in Syria is in the book of Acts. Also the first to convert there were Jews in the Damascus area. Saint Paul spent many years that area.Arab Christians, forming Greek Orthodox (including Arab Orthodox) and Latin Christian communities, are estimated to be 2,300,000 in Syria, a 400,000 in Jordan and an equal number or more among the Palestinian Arab population and within the Arab-Israeli population combined.The Arab Christians largely belong to the Greek Orthodox or Antiochian Orthodox Churches, though there are also adherents to other churches: Melkite Greek Catholic Church, Latin Catholic Church, and Protestant Churches
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Christians#cite_note-walid-3
And you know Noory's ancestors weren't Muslim?
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Most Lebanese in the USA are Christian, frequently Maronite Catholic or Greek Orthodox.
Of course he's not a Muslim, but his ancestors may have been. I said the fact that he's part Arab may indicate why his Middle Eastern views are sympathetic with Muslims.
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George Noory is Roman Catholic, according to his biography.
http://www.conservapedia.com/George_Noory
Did I ever say he was a Muslim? I even said in the thread, Arab instead of Muslim.
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Any American who would fear these Lebanese just because where they were born needs physiological help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0ZS9o6NLnM
Casey Kasem was Lebanese, and was anti-Israel etc.
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My co-worker, an Iranian girl who is Christian just held a wedding for her daughter. Her Iranian relatives flew in from all over the country and many flew in from Iran. Seeing the wedding photos and photos of all the people (Iranian people) sure destroys the myth that they are all fanatical turban wearing bearded minions of the Ayatollah. It was nothing like that, at all.
What myth? We've known for years about those who were pro Shah.
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There is a lot of ignorance in America I'm afraid about the middle east, and the people who live there. There are Christians there. Lots of them, even in places like Iraq and Iran. Good people no more a threat to you than the family siting in the pew in front of you at church. In fact they may dress and look not much different than the family in that pew.
And the countries are controlled by Muslim fanatics or governed by Sharia law.
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Did I ever say he was a Muslim? I even said in the thread, Arab instead of Muslim.
A Christian American Arab is not likely to be sympathetic to Muslims because in all likelihood his family came to the USA in order to escape Muslim persecution.
It is true that there are a number of Lebanese Americans who are not sympathetic to Israel. This stems from past Israeli bombing of Christian Lebanon, not support for Muslims.
As I indicated down thread, the Christian approach to dealing with the pirates is to pay them off. Lebanese Christians and Syrian Muslims live a very fragile existence in Lebanon. The Christians are the merchants for the most part, and they pay the hefty jizya to Hezbollah in order to continue existing. They don't like it, but they get some modicum of peace, which is disrupted at times by greater Muslim demands and violence. The Christians do not have the military capability to fight the Muslims, so they get by as best they can. Many moved here in order to escape.
Israel has found it necessary to decimate Christian Beirut in order to defend itself from Hezbollah. Since these bombs also fall on innocent Christians, it is not surprising that their Christian relatives in the USA are not particularly supportive. But that is not the same as support for Muslims.
Personally, I am more supportive of Israel than most Maronites. Maybe it is because I am a half-breed, but I consider myself an American, not a hyphenated American. Appeasement of Muslim extremism is simply not in the USA's interest.
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You're stupid. I didn't say anything about Muslims as a whole. I said that Noory's Middle Eastern views maybe shaped by his Arab ancestry.
Know this wasn't sent to me, but look: You may well be right. There is no denying that. But remember that correlation does not imply causation. All you know about Noory is what you see/hear. His reasons are in his head, and can never be perfectly expressed.
Has he ever bothered to look at what he learned as a child? We can't know.
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Don't care what his religion is. Never occured to me. His show is hilarious. I enjoy it sometimes.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows)
Theme song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L24HbpvQXmo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L24HbpvQXmo)
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You're stupid. I didn't say anything about Muslims as a whole. I said that Noory's Middle Eastern views maybe shaped by his Arab ancestry.
If you are suggesting that Noory's views are in his DNA then you should know that Arab DNA and Israeli DNA are identical. Both civilizations come from the same tribe. Modern Israelis are likely to have some European DNA because the Jews lived in Europe for so long. But there is no difference between pure Jewish blood and pure Arab blood. Whatever differences exist between these peoples arises from culture, not genetics.
Having been born a Christian myself, and having been born to an Arabic father, I regard all Arabs as half-brothers, and all Israelis as half-brothers. In terms of my value system, I have much more in common with Israelis. This stems from all that I have LEARNED in my life, not from my DNA.
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I said the fact that he's part Arab may indicate why his Middle Eastern views are sympathetic with Muslims.
It also may not indicate why.
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You're stupid. I didn't say anything about Muslims as a whole. I said that Noory's Middle Eastern views maybe shaped by his Arab ancestry.
Did your reply really have to include an insult, calling me "stupid"? You attempted several times to explain and defend why you started this thread, and what you meant by it, and I'm good with that. Pretty much the rest of the dialog here is backing up why we have no reason to believe the stereotypes, (and there were some good educational post) and we all should be good with that.
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If you are suggesting that Noory's views are in his DNA then you should know that Arab DNA and Israeli DNA are identical. Both civilizations come from the same tribe. Modern Israelis are likely to have some European DNA because the Jews lived in Europe for so long. But there is no difference between pure Jewish blood and pure Arab blood. Whatever differences exist between these peoples arises from culture, not genetics.
Having been born a Christian myself, and having been born to an Arabic father, I regard all Arabs as half-brothers, and all Israelis as half-brothers. In terms of my value system, I have much more in common with Israelis. This stems from all that I have LEARNED in my life, not from my DNA.
We're all people and we all came from the same source. ^-^
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We're all people and we all came from the same source. ^-^
While true, and I certainly agree with the sentiment, a geneticist can identify the difference between someone who descends from Europeans and someone who descends from, say, China. A geneticist cannot tell the difference between an Arab and a Jew.
It is important because as time goes on science is finding that more and more behaviors we previously thought were learned are, in fact, genetic or have a genetic influence. This includes homosexuality, depression, schizophrenia and many other behaviors.
There can be no genetic explanation for the differences in attitudes between Arabs and Jews because there is no difference in the genetics of Arabs and Jews.
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While true, and I certainly agree with the sentiment, a geneticist can identify the difference between someone who descends from Europeans and someone who descends from, say, China. A geneticist cannot tell the difference between an Arab and a Jew.
It is important because as time goes on science is finding that more and more behaviors we previously thought were learned are, in fact, genetic or have a genetic influence. This includes homosexuality, depression, schizophrenia and many other behaviors.
There can be no genetic explanation for the differences in attitudes between Arabs and Jews because there is no difference in the genetics of Arabs and Jews.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/0624_050624_spencerwells_2.html
We are all related if you go back far enough.
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/0624_050624_spencerwells_2.html
We are all related if you go back far enough.
Agreed. But we are all not equally likely to become alcoholics, or homosexuals, or schizophrenic, or left-handed. All of these things can be explained, or partially explained, by genetic differences between us.
A Pit Bull comes from the same source as a toy poodle. But the two breeds are very different in terms of their dispositions. You can teach a Pit Bull to be peaceful, or you can teach a poodle to be violent. But one is more pliable than the other based on genetics. The same can be said for various iterations of humans.
My point is that Israelis and Arabs are the same breed. The differences between them are the same as, say, one German Shepherd raised in one household and another German Shepherd raised in another.
Telling a Pit Bull that was raised in a poor environment that all dogs are brothers is about as likely to be successful in taming the Pit Bull as telling an Arab raised as a Muslim that all humans are brothers.
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I understand what you're saying. Considering we all came from the same original source, this almost sounds like evolution to me. :-P When groups of people separated long ago they started to have different genetic mutations due to living in different environments and having different experiences.
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I understand what you're saying. Considering we all came from the same original source, this almost sounds like evolution to me. :-P When groups of people separated long ago they started to have different genetic mutations.
Yes. And since Arabs and Jews separated only a few thousand years ago, there is no genetic difference that is detectable.
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There can be no genetic explanation for the differences in attitudes between Arabs and Jews because there is no difference in the genetics of Arabs and Jews.
Of course we all know that according to the Torah, Jews and Arabs have the same genetic source.
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Yes. And since Arabs and Jews separated only a few thousand years ago, there is no genetic difference that is detectable.
Indeed. :beer:
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Yes. And since Arabs and Jews separated only a few thousand years ago, there is no genetic difference that is detectable.
I'm no genetic scientist, but when you get right down to understanding genetic difference you may be right. Obviously the Jews who descended from those who left Judea have to a great deal blended with other peoples. If you walk down the streets of Tel Aviv the people you see don't look a whole lot different than those you see walking down the streets of Madrid, Rome, Warsaw, New York or lying on the beaches of the Riviera. We have an example right next to us in Mexico in how that works, with the Mexicans blended with a large amount of Spanish or American blood, looking a lot different that those closer related to their original Mexican or Indian ancestors. Where as the many of Arab peoples are less blended largely due to their culture and on a historical time scale only just leaving their ancestors home lands.
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I'm no genetic scientist, but when you get right down to understanding genetic difference you may be right. Obviously the Jews who descended from those who left Judea have to a great deal blended with other peoples. If you walk down the streets of Tel Aviv the people you see don't look a whole lot different than those you see walking down the streets of Madrid, Rome, Warsaw, New York or lying on the beaches of the Riviera. We have an example right next to us in Mexico in how that works, with the Mexicans blended with a large amount of Spanish or American blood, looking a lot different that those closer related to their original Mexican or Indian ancestors. Where as the many of Arab peoples are less blended largely due to their culture and on a historical time scale only just leaving their ancestors home lands.
This is very true. There are some blue-eyed Israelis, but you'd be hard-pressed to find a blue-eyed Palestinian. And if there are differences on the outside, it is likely there are differences within as well. However, the hostility between these peoples goes back to a time before these differences occurred, and so at least the original hostility cannot be attributed to genetics. Certainly, if you look at modern day Israel it is much more like Europe than like the Middle East, a fact that many Israeli purists find lamentable.
I think one big difference between the way my father's family sees the Middle East and the way most other Americans see the Middle East is that among the people in my father's family there is a recognition that the Muslim/Christian disconnect is a fundamental reality they have been dealing with for thousands of years. They see it as a permanent, uncontrollable factor in their lives, one that has shaped their very existence. I think most other Americans see it as a problem that can be solved. Most people in my family think that is a rather naive point of view. Better to pay the bastards off and go on with your life, which of course only emboldens the pirates.
I do find it very ironic that my family moved here to escape the Muslims and their jizya. Today they are very successful merchants and find themselves captives of the IRS. Most Americans pay the IRS with the same resignation that most Lebanese Christians pay Hezbollah, except Hezbollah does not charge as high a percentage.
There is no escaping, it seems.
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This is very true. There are some blue-eyed Israelis, but you'd be hard-pressed to find a blue-eyed Palestinian.
That's because they kill them.
The average Pali is not much different than a tribe in the deep Congo. They are not allowed to be educated in anything other than the Koran, because, I mean come on, even you have to admit the Koran contains all knowledge man needs to know. This makes them very stupid, and very, very, superstitious.
Curses, and witch doctors(so to speak), are alive an well there. I saw a woman buy a rock from a "healer" and she was using it to cure her obvious lymphoma. I prayed for her because I knew she would die.
I do not know if you will understand this, but I suspect you will.
Chamsa! Chamsa! Ayin ha-raa. (the evil eye)
You can be accused of anything there. Their version of werewolf, witch, devil, anything, and it is all taken very seriously. The accusation itself is enough to get you killed.
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I think it is also worth pointing out here that when it comes to Israel there is no option to pay the pirates off. Israel is, in fact, negotiating to be in the same position as the Lebanese Christians: leave us alone and we will give you money. Unfortunately, when it comes to Israel, the Muslims refuse to recognize their right to exist, so no amount of money will resolve the dispute.
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Know this wasn't sent to me, but look: You may well be right. There is no denying that. But remember that correlation does not imply causation. All you know about Noory is what you see/hear. His reasons are in his head, and can never be perfectly expressed.
Has he ever bothered to look at what he learned as a child? We can't know.
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Did I ever say he was a Muslim? I even said in the thread, Arab instead of Muslim.
Its your indication that he is M<uslim
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And the countries are controlled by Muslim fanatics or governed by Sharia law.
But Christians are allowed to live there. In Syria for example they have Sharia law but Christians are allowed to live there. If Christians follow the rules of the road no harm will become of them. I should know my sister in law lived in Syria and they have had no problems. Christians has integrated themselves in Syrian society. Christians in Syria make up about 10% of the population.Damascus was one of the first regions to receive Christianity during the ministry of St Peter.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sy.html
http://www.nyulawglobal.org/globalex/syria.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Syria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Syria#Religion_and_law
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Yes. And since Arabs and Jews separated only a few thousand years ago, there is no genetic difference that is detectable.
Check out a documentary called the "Real Eve" by Discovery Channel.
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A Christian American Arab is not likely to be sympathetic to Muslims because in all likelihood his family came to the USA in order to escape Muslim persecution.
It is true that there are a number of Lebanese Americans who are not sympathetic to Israel. This stems from past Israeli bombing of Christian Lebanon, not support for Muslims.
As I indicated down thread, the Christian approach to dealing with the pirates is to pay them off. Lebanese Christians and Syrian Muslims live a very fragile existence in Lebanon. The Christians are the merchants for the most part, and they pay the hefty jizya to Hezbollah in order to continue existing. They don't like it, but they get some modicum of peace, which is disrupted at times by greater Muslim demands and violence. The Christians do not have the military capability to fight the Muslims, so they get by as best they can. Many moved here in order to escape.
Israel has found it necessary to decimate Christian Beirut in order to defend itself from Hezbollah. Since these bombs also fall on innocent Christians, it is not surprising that their Christian relatives in the USA are not particularly supportive. But that is not the same as support for Muslims.
Personally, I am more supportive of Israel than most Maronites. Maybe it is because I am a half-breed, but I consider myself an American, not a hyphenated American. Appeasement of Muslim extremism is simply not in the USA's interest.
You sound like you don't even listen to Noory, and you don't know if his ancestors were Muslim or not. Like I said, Kasem was Lebanese, and hate US foreign policy and Israel.
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If you are suggesting that Noory's views are in his DNA then you should know that Arab DNA and Israeli DNA are identical. Both civilizations come from the same tribe. Modern Israelis are likely to have some European DNA because the Jews lived in Europe for so long. But there is no difference between pure Jewish blood and pure Arab blood. Whatever differences exist between these peoples arises from culture, not genetics.
Having been born a Christian myself, and having been born to an Arabic father, I regard all Arabs as half-brothers, and all Israelis as half-brothers. In terms of my value system, I have much more in common with Israelis. This stems from all that I have LEARNED in my life, not from my DNA.
No, I'm not suggesting his DNA. I'm suggesting his knowledge of what his DNA may shape his thinking, and he may look at his culture deeply, and that is why he's sympathetic to the Muslim brotherhood etc.
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It also may not indicate why.
Then why read my thread?
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Did your reply really have to include an insult, calling me "stupid"? You attempted several times to explain and defend why you started this thread, and what you meant by it, and I'm good with that. Pretty much the rest of the dialog here is backing up why we have no reason to believe the stereotypes, (and there were some good educational post) and we all should be good with that.
Yes, because you implied that I was bigoted and said that I was uneducated.
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Its your indication that he is M<uslim
I suggested that it may influence his view of America's foreign policy and Israel.
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But Christians are allowed to live there. In Syria for example they have Sharia law but Christians are allowed to live there. If Christians follow the rules of the road no harm will become of them. I should know my sister in law lived in Syria and they have had no problems. Christians has integrated themselves in Syrian society. Christians in Syria make up about 10% of the population.Damascus was one of the first regions to receive Christianity during the ministry of St Peter.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sy.html
You're an apologist for radical Islam.
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Then why read my thread?
You posted it on a political forum that I frequently read. It is in the nature of forums like this for disagreements to arise. If you didn't want anybody to disagree with you maybe it is you that shouldn't have posted.
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You posted it on a political forum that I frequently read. It is in the nature of forums like this for disagreements to arise. If you didn't want anybody to disagree with you maybe it is you that shouldn't have posted.
On that you and I can both agree! :beer:
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You posted it on a political forum that I frequently read. It is in the nature of forums like this for disagreements to arise. If you didn't want anybody to disagree with you maybe it is you that shouldn't have posted.
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You're an apologist for radical Islam.
That is an insult to me and my family Archie Bunker. My sister in law is a well accomplished pharmacist. She helped speed up my recovery from kidney stones.Her father designs genetically modified foods. .
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On that you and I can both agree! :beer:
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