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Donald Trump, you're no Ronald Reagan
by Philip Klein
| November 27, 2018 04:06 PM
President Trump should be holding off on future boasts that he is " far greater" than Ronald Reagan.
His latest comments were made in an interview that appears in a new book by boosters Corey R. Lewandowski and David N. Bossie called "Trump's Enemies."
As reported by my colleague Paul Bedard, Trump said, “The amazing thing is that you have certain people who are conservative Republicans that if my name weren’t Trump, if it were John Smith, they would say I’m the greatest president in history and I blow Ronald Reagan away."
He continued, “All these guys that if they looked at my agenda with a different name ... and he got the biggest regulation cuts in history in less than two years, judges, environmental stuff, getting out of the Paris horror show. If you said that conservative president John Smith did that, they would say he’s the greatest president. Far greater than Ronald Reagan.â€
Trump is essentially making the case that anti-Trump conservatives will never give him credit for his accomplishments just because they have personal animus toward him.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/donald-trump-youre-no-ronald-reagan (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/donald-trump-youre-no-ronald-reagan)
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He may not be 'no' Ronald Reagan but he deserves a lot of credit and has been unjustly criticized. The left hates him; which is always a good sign.
If he can resolve the issues at the border and get the wall built, along with implementing some type of health care reform, he WILL go down as better than Reagan and one of the greatest president's this country has ever had.
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He may not be 'no' Ronald Reagan but he deserves a lot of credit and has been unjustly criticized. The left hates him; which is always a good sign.
If he can resolve the issues at the border and get the wall built, along with implementing some type of health care reform, he WILL go down as better than Reagan and one of the greatest president's this country has ever had.
I agree @libertybele and I support him in his efforts to accomplish those two things.
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It may be debatable about whether Trump is Reaganesque or not but one thing is in no doubt.......Philip Klein is a douche.
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He may not be 'no' Ronald Reagan but he deserves a lot of credit and has been unjustly criticized. The left hates him; which is always a good sign.
If he can resolve the issues at the border and get the wall built, along with implementing some type of health care reform, he WILL go down as better than Reagan and one of the greatest president's this country has ever had.
If, if, and it's not looking likely anytime soon, he could gut 0care root and branch and turn illegal immigration around to the point where the number of illegals in the country was dropping drastically, I'd say he'd be in the neighborhood of Reagan. At least in the eyes of those of us who lived through both. As far as one of the greatest, I really doubt that. I suspect Reagan will be remembered for the wall, "Honey I forgot to duck", and maybe (hopefully, because it's just a classic) "I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience,". Trump will also probably have a couple footnotes. I doubt either will be remembered as greats in a few decades. Sad as it is, a few generations from now most will know nothing of them, but they'll probably know exactly who Obama was (though, like us, they probably won't know his real name) and not because of all the things he screwed up.
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If, if, and it's not looking likely anytime soon, he could gut 0care root and branch and turn illegal immigration around to the point where the number of illegals in the country was dropping drastically, I'd say he'd be in the neighborhood of Reagan. At least in the eyes of those of us who lived through both. As far as one of the greatest, I really doubt that. I suspect Reagan will be remembered for the wall, "Honey I forgot to duck", and maybe (hopefully, because it's just a classic) "I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience,". Trump will also probably have a couple footnotes. I doubt either will be remembered as greats in a few decades. Sad as it is, a few generations from now most will know nothing of them, but they'll probably know exactly who Obama was (though, like us, they probably won't know his real name) and not because of all the things he screwed up.
I totally agree......Philip Klein is a douche.
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More apt comparison, IMHO, Other than the judges and the Iran deal I see very little difference and results in Trump and obummer's 'in your face' style of governing. :shrug:
Back on Topic, Reagan also dealt with a dem house for his 8 years, something Trump is about to learn.
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And I'd rather have George Patton as one of the JCS but he's dead.
Deal with it.
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When I look back at Reagan...I liked him a lot. But he had flaws like most people do.
We'll see how history judges Trump and...GW Bush.
It's early yet.
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When I look back at Reagan...I liked him a lot. But he had flaws like most people do.
We'll see how history judges Trump and...GW Bush.
It's early yet.
Bush?
The guy who wouldn't criticize Bammy but has no trouble giving Trump crap?
That Clown?
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Bush?
The guy who wouldn't criticize Bammy but has no trouble giving Trump crap?
That Clown?
Well. he did a good job during 9/11. I won't forget that.
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Well. he did a good job during 9/11. I won't forget that.
He made you feel safe and good, for awhile. However building on his start, we are STILL in Afghanistan.
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He made you feel safe and good, for awhile. However building on his start, we are STILL in Afghanistan.
Bush 43 screwed the balance of power in the Middle East toward Iran and did nothing to improve immigration vetting or border control.
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Ultimately, it will take decades to fairly assess Trump's legacy. But one thing that Reagan had going for him is that he had a coherent ideology that was easily translatable for future candidates in subsequent eras. Trump's eclectic brand is very personality driven and affected by his reaction to daily headlines, so it's less clear how his influence will be felt down the road.
Ronald Reagan's ideology was to make America great again. (https://29p3xo4710g84bygmn2df2g1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/make-america-great-again.jpg)
He did the best he could to fulfill that promise in the world of four decades ago. His accomplishments were helped by the tailwind of patriotism--not challenged by the headwinds of globalism fueled by politicians in every corner of the globe, including our own. Even so Reagan made mistakes, including tripling the national debt and legitimizing blanket amnesty.
Ronald Reagan was a good President. He was the right man for 1980 as Donald Trump is the right man for this moment. In the fullness of time Reagan will hold his position as one of a handful of memorable, meaningful Presidents; and that handful will include Donald Trump.
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IMHO, Reagan was "The Great Communicator"...Trump is "The Tweeter"
The military was in far worse shape when Reagan took office, and he had to worry about the Soviet Union. They had something like 50+ divisions and 50+ air bases in Eastern Europe to launch an attack on West Germany. Putin's got squat compared to that.
Interest rates were well into the double digits on Inauguration Day 1981. I'd say Reagan had bigger fish to fry when he took office. Trump responds with bellicose diatribes, Reagan simply remarked "there you go again."
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And I would like to add if I haven't yet......Philip Klein is a douche. That is all.
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Ronald Reagan's ideology was to make America great again.
That is a slogan, not an ideology. That you consider it an ideology highlights the problem... In neon orange.
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That is a slogan, not an ideology. That you consider it an ideology highlights the problem... In neon orange.
Let's all have a round of applause for Ken Duberstein everyone. Glad you are giving us your input on this forum Ken.
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You're damn straight he's not. That flower wouldn't last 5 minutes in today's political atmosphere.
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None of the other ones are going to cut it either. Trump has changed things. You need people with backbone.
Trump would have made Reagan his bitch in the primaries just like he did to Jeb Bush and that creepy bastard from Canada.
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IMHO, Reagan was "The Great Communicator"...Trump is "The Tweeter"
The main difference is Reagan actually had a vision of what was good for the country and was not interested in self-aggrandizement. Reagan brought a real, thoughtful message about his policies, when he addressed the nation on multiple occasions. All Trump has managed to do is prove Liz Mair right.
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That is a slogan, not an ideology. That you consider it an ideology highlights the problem... In neon orange.
Actually, it's an ideology expressed in a slogan. And it is easily applicable to national and international policy.
I see not only the same slogan from Reagan and Trump, I see the same direction from both men: lower taxes, strong military, pro-life, the quest for constitutionalist judges. I actually see a stronger ideology from President Trump as he takes on globalism with renegotiated trade deals, pushes for stronger immigration control and border protection, and withdraws from idiotic treaties and agreement --- putting America first and making her great again --- a slogan outlining a mission.
Won't it be the rats ass when history proves the Trump presidency more conservative than Reagan's? :laugh:
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He made you feel safe and good, for awhile. However building on his start, we are STILL in Afghanistan.
I resolved not to get into GWB discussions because it infuriates me how TBRers love to diss him.
He was a good governor of Texas and beat the old witch Ann Richards. He was a good president and he is a good man. He was wrong on some things and he certainly hasn't said anything about Trump that I didn't say for a year before he got the nomination.
As for comparisons with Reagan, Trump will never have the gentle charm of Reagan but he is right for the current times which are far from gentle.
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He's no Calvin Coolidge, either.
But maybe he'll be the next Warren Harding.
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He's no Calvin Coolidge, either.
But maybe he'll be the next Warren Harding.
Reagan wasn't close to Calvin either if you forgot. I recall a hell of a lot of spending going on in the 80's and a fair amount of govt' left when Ronny left.
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Personally, I think you Trumpers are successfully pushing more of us Nt'ers out of our frigging mind and OFF the NET, carry ON.
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Personally, I think you Trumpers are successfully pushing more of us Nt'ers out of our frigging mind and OFF the NET, carry ON.
My antidote to the canonization of Donald J Trump as "Greatest President of All Time", at least for the next four+ months, is courtesy of the Gonzaga Bulldogs mens basketball team. :rolling:
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Personally, I think you Trumpers are successfully pushing more of us Nt'ers out of our frigging mind and OFF the NET, carry ON.
Not really @corbe I think you NTers are more active than ever.
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I may post a lot of The Hill articles (they're the easiest) @Emjay but I don't hang in their comment section (too liberal). I'm just referencing that I've noticed more NT'ers get tired and drop off the NET than the Trumpers, lately, everywhere, not just here. I miss a couple of them already, here.
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Donald Trump, you're no Ronald Reagan
by Philip Klein
| November 27, 2018 04:06 PM
President Trump should be holding off on future boasts that he is " far greater" than Ronald Reagan.
His latest comments were made in an interview that appears in a new book by boosters Corey R. Lewandowski and David N. Bossie called "Trump's Enemies."
As reported by my colleague Paul Bedard, Trump said, “The amazing thing is that you have certain people who are conservative Republicans that if my name weren’t Trump, if it were John Smith, they would say I’m the greatest president in history and I blow Ronald Reagan away."
He continued, “All these guys that if they looked at my agenda with a different name ... and he got the biggest regulation cuts in history in less than two years, judges, environmental stuff, getting out of the Paris horror show. If you said that conservative president John Smith did that, they would say he’s the greatest president. Far greater than Ronald Reagan.â€
Trump is essentially making the case that anti-Trump conservatives will never give him credit for his accomplishments just because they have personal animus toward him.
more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/donald-trump-youre-no-ronald-reagan (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/donald-trump-youre-no-ronald-reagan)
What Trump is saying is true,but in defense of Reagan,the world was a different place back then and he had a steeper hill to climb and less help climbing. When you consider he was fighting the whole damn congress,including those with R's behind their names,it's amazing he was able to do as much as he did.
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When I look back at Reagan...I liked him a lot. But he had flaws like most people do.
@berdie
Not me! My mother told me I am perfect in every respect. You are not going to call my mother a liar,are you?
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It may be debatable about whether Trump is Reaganesque or not but one thing is in no doubt.......Philip Klein is a douche.
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Grandmaster Douche, His Douche Eminence, in all his glory.
Sick of pukes like this. Reagan was great but not perfect, and this is not time to for eloquent statesmen. This is the time for rough men to do battle so we may all sleep peacefully in our beds.
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@berdie
Not me! My mother told me I am perfect in every respect. You are not going to call my mother a liar,are you?
Hey...are we related? My Mom told me the same thing! And she was right! (I never ever had a spanking when I was growing up happy77) @sneakypete
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I may post a lot of The Hill articles (they're the easiest) @Emjay but I don't hang in their comment section (too liberal). I'm just referencing that I've noticed more NT'ers get tired and drop off the NET than the Trumpers, lately, everywhere, not just here. I miss a couple of them already, here.
Well, I hope you will hang in with us @corbe cause I would really miss you.
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I resolved not to get into GWB discussions because it infuriates me how TBRers love to diss him.
. . . He was a good president and he is a good man.
He's a good man who was a bad president.
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I LOVE this place too much to give up @Emjay.
Been a bit under the weather lately and my new nurse suxs (not literally).
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He's a good man who was a bad president.
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@EasyAce
He was a good mama's boy and a truly horrible excuse for a president. Mostly because his mama was the one making the decisions. She was the brains of the family.
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@EasyAce
He was a good mama's boy and a truly horrible excuse for a president. Mostly because his mama was the one making the decisions. She was the brains of the family.
I would argue with you but what would be the point?
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It would be an exercise in futility @Emjay ... that one hates the Bushes as much as the rest of us hate the Clintons, as is his perogative.
It really begs the question though @sneakypete you being somewhat of a Trumper and all, who would you rather we have voted for Gore or Kerry? Further protruding into my conciseness is what they gave us the last time we voted for President so I went Third Party instead of not voting at all, as I did in 2012.
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sneakypete[/member] you being somewhat of a Trumper and all, who would you rather we have voted for Gore or Kerry?
@corbe
I wouldn't vote for Bush,so why would I vote for either of those losers?
Although Goober and Boy Jorge do have a lot in common. The IQ of a slow snail,domineering mothers,attitudes of entitlement. I do think Boy Jorge was a bit smarter than goober,though. Which isn't saying much because my retarded cat is a little smarter than Goober. Even his mother said he was stupid.
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I may post a lot of The Hill articles (they're the easiest) @Emjay but I don't hang in their comment section (too liberal). I'm just referencing that I've noticed more NT'ers get tired and drop off the NET than the Trumpers, lately, everywhere, not just here. I miss a couple of them already, here.
If you're missing Cathy @corbe ... she usually drops out for a few weeks. We could lure her back with a Roy Moore thread if you're game.
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What Trump is saying is true,but in defense of Reagan,the world was a different place back then and he had a steeper hill to climb and less help climbing. When you consider he was fighting the whole damn congress,including those with R's behind their names,it's amazing he was able to do as much as he did.
And Ronnie is the first Republican candidate to win Hawaii ever !!! (in his second term)
I loved Ronnie and I don't love Trump but I greatly admire him. He's not a Ideologue but he's a practical guy who sees the big picture and when he posts tasteless insults they are always against people I hate even more, so I don't mind a bit.
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I agree @libertybele and I support him in his efforts to accomplish those two things.
Reagan won the Cold War and for that he was a great president. But let's not forget that Reagan also
caused our illegal problem with his 1986 amnesty. So he also sowed the seeds that might yet destroy
this nation.
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When I look back at Reagan...I liked him a lot. But he had flaws like most people do.
We'll see how history judges Trump and...GW Bush.
It's early yet.
History will likely find W as one of the worst presidents ever. IF Trumps gets the wall built and gets a
handle on illegal immigration he will be judged as one of our greatest presidents. If he doesn't he will
be one of our last presidents.
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Reagan also caused our illegal problem with his 1986 amnesty. So he also sowed the seeds that might yet destroy this nation.
NOPE. That was supposed to be a one-time fix, never to be repeated. And those sonsabiches from congress were standing right behind him nodding their heads.
I wasn't alright with the amnesty - But I would have become alright with it, had them bastards done what they promised.
That is not Reagan's fault.
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I may post a lot of The Hill articles (they're the easiest) @Emjay but I don't hang in their comment section (too liberal). I'm just referencing that I've noticed more NT'ers get tired and drop off the NET than the Trumpers, lately, everywhere, not just here. I miss a couple of them already, here.
The Hill is one of the better rags out there.
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NOPE. That was supposed to be a one-time fix, never to be repeated. And those sonsabiches from congress were standing right behind him nodding their heads.
I wasn't alright with the amnesty - But I would have become alright with it, had them bastards done what they promised.
That is not Reagan's fault.
Never, ever believe a Democrat. Reagan knew that. "Read my lips" Bush knew that too.
And let not forget Reagans' "War on Drugs" which was really a war on our civil liberties. Reagan had a lot
or warts but he did get Jimmy out of office and he did bring about the collapse of the USSR. So he
deserves the mantle "Great President".
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Never, ever believe a Democrat. Reagan knew that. "Read my lips" Bush knew that too.
And let not forget Reagans' "War on Drugs" which was really a war on our civil liberties. Reagan had a lot
or warts but he did get Jimmy out of office and he did bring about the collapse of the USSR. So he
deserves the mantle "Great President".
Yeah... not much on NAFTA either... But I do believe he done all that with an honest heart. what others turned it into is the problem.
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Looking forward, the GOP has some fine new blood. Jeff Flake, Ben Sasse. Jeb Bush Paul Ryan. Led by the senior statesman, Milt Romney.
Very soon Trump will be gone, much to the satisfaction of his detractors. The Senate will flip.
The entire US will become one-party rule.
(Not yet even one word about "regrouping" or post defeat analysis.
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Looking forward, the GOP has some fine new blood. Jeff Flake, Ben Sasse. Jeb Bush Paul Ryan. Led by the senior statesman, Milt Romney.
Assuming you're being a wisenheimer ( wink777 ), Sasse is still in his first Senate term and had only a brief term previously as an assistant secretary of HHS under George W. Bush, several years before he ran for and won his Senate seat. He isn't anywhere near as ancient in age (he's 46) or political terms as Flake, Bush, Ryan, or Romney, and they're not anywhere near as truly men of the right as Sasse is.
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If you're missing Cathy @corbe ... she usually drops out for a few weeks. We could lure her back with a Roy Moore thread if you're game.
Sure, I miss @Catherine (no longer here) and @Chosen Daughter you're all good women and I learned a long time ago to not get involved. Been admonished by all of ya, at one time or another. It may just be me, but I'm sick and tired of all the fighting and I know I am guilty but I am trying to resolve my issues with the Trumpers here, most all of ya are top notch people!
Cross Canadian Ragweed - Sick And Tired
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haTw-xM6Vx0#)
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Looking forward, the GOP has some fine new blood. Jeff Flake, Ben Sasse. Jeb Bush Paul Ryan. Led by the senior statesman, Milt Romney.
Very soon Trump will be gone, much to the satisfaction of his detractors. The Senate will flip.
The entire US will become one-party rule.
(Not yet even one word about "regrouping" or post defeat analysis.
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That could very easily happen in 2020. One party rule & socialism. I fear for my kids and grandkids.
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Reagan was the greatest president of the twentieth century.
With a helping hand from Margaret Thatcher and Pope John Paul II, he really did consign Soviet-style communism to the ash heap of history.
That period which began with the moon landing of 1969 and ended with fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 represents the pinnacle of Western civilization.
But from all pinnacles, there must again be "the way back down", and we're on it now.
What began on September 11, 2001 -- and our inability as a civilization to understand the true implications of those events -- put us onto a downward course that continues to this day.
Mr. Trump has at least a chance of slowing some of that decline.
I wish him all the best.
Closing thought:
"After me, the deluge...."
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Sure, I miss @Catherine (no longer here) and @Chosen Daughter you're all good women and I learned a long time ago to not get involved. Been admonished by all of ya, at one time or another. It may just be me, but I'm sick and tired of all the fighting and I know I am guilty but I am trying to resolve my issues with the Trumpers here, most all of ya are top notch people!
Cross Canadian Ragweed - Sick And Tired
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haTw-xM6Vx0#)
I'm tired of the infighting also but it seems to be what keeps threads going @corbe I'm trying really hard not to argue with @Chosen Daughter even though she drives me nuts.
Feel better and remember you can hate Trump and still be a beloved guy here on TBR.
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“The amazing thing is that you have certain people who are conservative Republicans that if my name weren’t Trump, if it were John Smith, they would say I’m the greatest president in history and I blow Ronald Reagan away."
You're not in the same league as Reagan. You can't even carry his riding boots.
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Assuming you're being a wisenheimer ( wink777 ), Sasse is still in his first Senate term and had only a brief term previously as an assistant secretary of HHS under George W. Bush, several years before he ran for and won his Senate seat. He isn't anywhere near as ancient in age (he's 46) or political terms as Flake, Bush, Ryan, or Romney, and they're not anywhere near as truly men of the right as Sasse is.
Sasse is truly a man all about Sasse.
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What began on September 11, 2001 -- and our inability as a civilization to understand the true implications of those events -- put us onto a downward course that continues to this day.
Every bit as important as Pearl Harbor and the shooting of Archduke Ferdinand and his wife. Almost everyone has not grasped that yet.
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Every bit as important as Pearl Harbor and the shooting of Archduke Ferdinand and his wife. Almost everyone has not grasped that yet.
@FreeVulcan
Most people are clueless fools that pay attention to nothing that is not right in front of their noses,and has an immediate effect on them. By the time most people wake up the Dims will imported enough 3rd world trash to create a state of anarchy as the "free stuff" stops arriving,and lead to their dream of being able to declare a state of emergency exists so they can suspend the Constitution and declare Martial Law.
Once we let them get away with this,America is over because ONLY the leftists in charge will have the authority to declare the emergency has ended and to re-instate the Constitution/The Bill of Rights,and they will never do this.
They will be our masters in every sense,and it will be because "we,the peep-pulls" demanded that they "do something,DO ANYTHING,BUT RESTORE ORDER!"
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Sure, I miss @Catherine (no longer here) and @Chosen Daughter you're all good women and I learned a long time ago to not get involved. Been admonished by all of ya, at one time or another. It may just be me, but I'm sick and tired of all the fighting and I know I am guilty but I am trying to resolve my issues with the Trumpers here, most all of ya are top notch people!
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haTw-xM6Vx0#)
Cross Canadian Ragweed - Sick And Tired
@Catherine is gone? That makes me sad.
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Sasse is truly a man all about Sasse.
That's hilarious @Emjay. I have never seen anyone more into himself than Donald Trump.
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That's hilarious @Emjay. I have never seen anyone more into himself than Donald Trump.
If you can type and post that after 8 years of Obama and still think you are not fully enveloped in Trump Derangement Syndrome you certainly are a special kind of person.
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Reagan wasn't close to Calvin either if you forgot. I recall a hell of a lot of spending going on in the 80's and a fair amount of govt' left when Ronny left.
I most remember Nancy and her Psychics and tarot cards. I remember always thinking that the psychics were predicting the next move.
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That's hilarious @Emjay. I have never seen anyone more into himself than Donald Trump.
So ... where were you @Chosen Daughter during the Obama years. Obama was often cited for using the words "I", "Me" and "My" more than any other president. No one can stop you from Trump hate, but let's be real.
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I most remember Nancy and her Psychics and tarot cards. I remember always thinking that the psychics were predicting the next move.
And here you are again @Chosen Daughter taking a stab at another First Lady. You're really into that, aren't you? How can you focus on the worst thing about a really nice First Lady? Did it ever occur to you that the psychic thing might have been exaggerated by the Press? They didn't like Reagan either.
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I voted for Reagan twice. And overall, I generally consider him one of America's better presidents. However, there were negatives that took place during his presidency that would never occur with the current president. Nearly 200 of our men were killed in Lebanon while he was president, and nothing done.
Reagan had what amounted to one of the highest tax increases in our history. For those of you too young to know, Social Security tax in 1984 before the increase was I believe 6.2% up to $32,000. There was no Medicare Tax.
Today it is 6.2% on Social Security and 1.45% for Medicare Tax with a max income of I believe $122,000. Run those numbers! HUGE DIFFERENCE, and they still do not have enough to cover the two programs long term.
And last but not least, the one act by the Reagan Administration that leaves him as somewhat a dog of history is the fact that the Social Security Trust could be robbed by Congress to spend however they see fit. Pure unadulterated thievery and chicanery. Almost no one speaks of this heinous act...no one.
I know President Trump would never do any of the above acts that were perpetrated against the American people under Reagan. For that reason alone, he stands higher and taller than Reagan ever would.
Trump has stood tall against the worst opposition I believe a president has ever had to contend with in this great country. Lesser men would weaken and implode, but he continues on. Trump has kept most of his promises he made during his campaign, which is a rare quality for anyone in politics.
Trump has promised not to weaken Social Security, which is more than I can say about what Reagan did.
Trump will win in 2020 against HR Clinton again. It would be nice if his own party supported him, which they simply have not done. True disgrace really. I hold Trump to be definitively one of the greatest presidents ever. He has restored to the American people the claim to greatness. We have been a nation that has brought freedom to the world, and too many that have come before Trump failed miserably.
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I voted for Reagan twice. And overall, I generally consider him one of America's better presidents. However, there were negatives that took place during his presidency that would never occur with the current president. Nearly 200 of our men were killed in Lebanon while he was president, and nothing done.
Reagan had what amounted to one of the highest tax increases in our history. For those of you too young to know, Social Security tax in 1984 before the increase was I believe 6.2% up to $32,000. There was no Medicare Tax.
Today it is 6.2% on Social Security and 1.45% for Medicare Tax with a max income of I believe $122,000. Run those numbers! HUGE DIFFERENCE, and they still do not have enough to cover the two programs long term.
And last but not least, the one act by the Reagan Administration that leaves him as somewhat a dog of history is the fact that the Social Security Trust could be robbed by Congress to spend however they see fit. Pure unadulterated thievery and chicanery. Almost no one speaks of this heinous act...no one.
I know President Trump would never do any of the above acts that were perpetrated against the American people under Reagan. For that reason alone, he stands higher and taller than Reagan ever would.
Trump has stood tall against the worst opposition I believe a president has ever had to contend with in this great country. Lesser men would weaken and implode, but he continues on. Trump has kept most of his promises he made during his campaign, which is a rare quality for anyone in politics.
Trump has promised not to weaken Social Security, which is more than I can say about what Reagan did.
Trump will win in 2020 against HR Clinton again. It would be nice if his own party supported him, which they simply have not done. True disgrace really. I hold Trump to be definitively one of the greatest presidents ever. He has restored to the American people the claim to greatness. We have been a nation that has brought freedom to the world, and too many that have come before Trump failed miserably.
Nice propaganda piece on your part. Short on facts...but gets an A+ on the blind cheerleader scale of fanboi-ness.
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I voted for Reagan twice. And overall, I generally consider him one of America's better presidents. However, there were negatives that took place during his presidency that would never occur with the current president. Nearly 200 of our men were killed in Lebanon while he was president, and nothing done.
Reagan had what amounted to one of the highest tax increases in our history. For those of you too young to know, Social Security tax in 1984 before the increase was I believe 6.2% up to $32,000. There was no Medicare Tax.
Today it is 6.2% on Social Security and 1.45% for Medicare Tax with a max income of I believe $122,000. Run those numbers! HUGE DIFFERENCE, and they still do not have enough to cover the two programs long term.
And last but not least, the one act by the Reagan Administration that leaves him as somewhat a dog of history is the fact that the Social Security Trust could be robbed by Congress to spend however they see fit. Pure unadulterated thievery and chicanery. Almost no one speaks of this heinous act...no one.
I had forgotten that it was Reagan who did the unthinkable mistake of allowing our Social Security tax fund be raided by a voracious government. That should never have happened and it doesn't even happen in private company pension funds.
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I know President Trump would never do any of the above acts that were perpetrated against the American people under Reagan. For that reason alone, he stands higher and taller than Reagan ever would.
You know no such thing.
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Donald Trump, you're no Ronald Reagan
by Philip Klein
| November 27, 2018 04:06 PM
President Trump should be holding off on future boasts that he is " far greater" than Ronald Reagan.
His latest comments were made in an interview that appears in a new book by boosters Corey R. Lewandowski and David N. Bossie called "Trump's Enemies."
As reported by my colleague Paul Bedard, Trump said, “The amazing thing is that you have certain people who are conservative Republicans that if my name weren’t Trump, if it were John Smith, they would say I’m the greatest president in history and I blow Ronald Reagan away."
He continued, “All these guys that if they looked at my agenda with a different name ... and he got the biggest regulation cuts in history in less than two years, judges, environmental stuff, getting out of the Paris horror show. If you said that conservative president John Smith did that, they would say he’s the greatest president. Far greater than Ronald Reagan.â€
Trump is essentially making the case that anti-Trump conservatives will never give him credit for his accomplishments just because they have personal animus toward him.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/donald-trump-youre-no-ronald-reagan (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/donald-trump-youre-no-ronald-reagan)
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Blaise Pascal, a wise man and a mathematical genius, asserted:
"If you wish your peers to think well of you; avoid thinking well of yourself."
Sadly, Trump, who is massively insecure, cannot abide such wisdom.
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I had forgotten that it was Reagan who did the unthinkable mistake of allowing our Social Security tax fund be raided by a voracious government. That should never have happened and it doesn't even happen in private company pension funds.
Actually what you forgot @Emjay...in your rush to agree with this FNG's sloobering affection for Trump...was that the Greenspan Commission found that Social Security was near insolvency in the early 80's tha that tx revenues...despite increases in the FICA tax by Carter weren't going to keep the trust fund afloat.
Reagan helped get legislation passed to save social security. Clinton was the one that used the money in the trust fund to increase the general revenue stream and mythically "balance" the budget.
I'm 99.9% certain where our new little Reagan basher got his info from and the person writing the article he's basing his "history" on appears to keep tinfoil in his back pocket if you know what I mean.
I get that you're 110% enamored with Trump...but please don't let that blind you when people come in to try and falsely rewrite history.
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You know no such thing.
@roamer_1 this one seems to be into a bit of fictional history as well.
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@roamer_1 this one seems to be into a bit of fictional history as well.
That's right @txradioguy ... But it is the fawning adderation (yes, I spelled that right) that's got him blind.
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@roamer_1 this one seems to be into a bit of fictional history as well.
Next thing you know, John Jakes will do a rewrite of his magnificent ten volume set, The Kent Family Chronicles, renaming it The Trump Family Chronicles. Mr. Jakes was a master of historical fiction.
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Actually what you forgot @Emjay...in your rush to agree with this FNG's sloobering affection for Trump...was that the Greenspan Commission found that Social Security was near insolvency in the early 80's tha that tx revenues...despite increases in the FICA tax by Carter weren't going to keep the trust fund afloat.
Reagan helped get legislation passed to save social security. Clinton was the one that used the money in the trust fund to increase the general revenue stream and mythically "balance" the budget.
I'm 99.9% certain where our new little Reagan basher got his info from and the person writing the article he's basing his "history" on appears to keep tinfoil in his back pocket if you know what I mean.
I get that you're 110% enamored with Trump...but please don't let that blind you when people come in to try and falsely rewrite history.
No, @txradioguy I was very dumb to accept Jaf's assertions as fact without checking it out. I am very glad to find out that he was wrong or lying to perpetuate a stupid agenda he has about Reagan.
Thanks for this sentence which sounds much more like the two characters, one of whom I knew and loved and the other I despised. "Reagan helped get legislation passed to save social security. Clinton was the one that used the money in the trust fund to increase the general revenue stream and mythically "balance" the budget."
I really appreciate your clearing this up. I should have known better than to trust a source I really didn't know. I was unfamiliar with the guy and had no idea he was a nasty little Reagan basher.
And, Yes, I am supporting Trump now for a number of reasons. One, I've liked most of the things he's done since he has been in office and, another, that he is our bulwark against a terrifying leftist democrat party that cannot be allowed to regain power.
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Actually what you forgot @Emjay...in your rush to agree with this FNG's sloobering affection for Trump...was that the Greenspan Commission found that Social Security was near insolvency in the early 80's tha that tx revenues...despite increases in the FICA tax by Carter weren't going to keep the trust fund afloat.
Reagan helped get legislation passed to save social security. Clinton was the one that used the money in the trust fund to increase the general revenue stream and mythically "balance" the budget.
I'm 99.9% certain where our new little Reagan basher got his info from and the person writing the article he's basing his "history" on appears to keep tinfoil in his back pocket if you know what I mean.
I get that you're 110% enamored with Trump...but please don't let that blind you when people come in to try and falsely rewrite history.
All administrations raid the "money" in the "trust fund" by definition. This is because any excess money taken in is stored in US Treasuries, aka it's loaned to the general fund to be spent by drunken lawyers.
Clinton's "surplus" was just an accounting gimick, based partly around counting SS excesses as part of the budget. Strange how we still had to increase the debt that year while running a "surplus".
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No, @txradioguy I was very dumb to accept Jaf's assertions as fact without checking it out. I am very glad to find out that he was wrong or lying to perpetuate a stupid agenda he has about Reagan.
Thanks for this sentence which sounds much more like the two characters, one of whom I knew and loved and the other I despised. "Reagan helped get legislation passed to save social security. Clinton was the one that used the money in the trust fund to increase the general revenue stream and mythically "balance" the budget."
I really appreciate your clearing this up. I should have known better than to trust a source I really didn't know. I was unfamiliar with the guy and had no idea he was a nasty little Reagan basher.
And, Yes, I am supporting Trump now for a number of reasons. One, I've liked most of the things he's done since he has been in office and, another, that he is our bulwark against a terrifying leftist democrat party that cannot be allowed to regain power.
I'll give you points for your honesty.
Of course, you know that Trump has been a Democrat far longer than he's been a Republican.
Personally, whether it be @jafo2010 , @Dexter , or others who never provide a source for where there bovine scatology comes from, that's why so many of us insist on evidence to back up their spurious claims.
I was blessed with a great education, and many life experiences that augmented the lessons I learned. My BS detector is usually engaged. lol
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No, @txradioguy I was very dumb to accept Jaf's assertions as fact without checking it out. I am very glad to find out that he was wrong or lying to perpetuate a stupid agenda he has about Reagan.
Thanks for this sentence which sounds much more like the two characters, one of whom I knew and loved and the other I despised. "Reagan helped get legislation passed to save social security. Clinton was the one that used the money in the trust fund to increase the general revenue stream and mythically "balance" the budget."
I really appreciate your clearing this up. I should have known better than to trust a source I really didn't know. I was unfamiliar with the guy and had no idea he was a nasty little Reagan basher.
And, Yes, I am supporting Trump now for a number of reasons. One, I've liked most of the things he's done since he has been in office and, another, that he is our bulwark against a terrifying leftist democrat party that cannot be allowed to regain power.
@Emjay you're very welcome. You have to remember there are still people that believe that because Reagan's first middle and last names all contained 6 letters he is/was the devil incarnate. Some of those same people want to equate things that were done by Democrats as being Reagan's fault too.
And I apologize for some of the snark. You didn't deserve it...this is just a bad week for me every year and some of that slipped out in my post.
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Well. he did a good job during 9/11. I won't forget that.
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FTA:
Ronald Reagan's ideology was to make America great again. (https://29p3xo4710g84bygmn2df2g1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/make-america-great-again.jpg)
He did the best he could to fulfill that promise in the world of four decades ago. His accomplishments were helped by the tailwind of patriotism--not challenged by the headwinds of globalism fueled by politicians in every corner of the globe, including our own. Even so Reagan made mistakes, including tripling the national debt and legitimizing blanket amnesty.
Ronald Reagan was a good President. He was the right man for 1980 as Donald Trump is the right man for this moment. In the fullness of time Reagan will hold his position as one of a handful of memorable, meaningful Presidents; and that handful will include Donald Trump.
Trump is no RR. Trump is an @sshole....he just can't help it.
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He did the best he could to fulfill that promise in the world of four decades ago. His accomplishments were helped by the tailwind of patriotism--not challenged by the headwinds of globalism fueled by politicians in every corner of the globe, including our own. Even so Reagan made mistakes, including tripling the national debt and legitimizing blanket amnesty.
You have to cut Reagan some slack on that He grew up in the 30's and 40's before backstabbing became a popular political sport,and he made that amnesty deal with the Dims honestly believing they would keep their word,and they immediately started stabbing him in the back and bring in more welfare parasites. Nothing in Reagan's personal life history had prepared him for that sort of political betrayal.
Ronald Reagan was a good President. He was the right man for 1980 as Donald Trump is the right man for this moment. In the fullness of time Reagan will hold his position as one of a handful of memorable, meaningful Presidents; and that handful will include Donald Trump.
I agree with both statements. It is my opinion this rabid Trump hatred is based entirely on the closed minds of Party People who are insanely jealous that a outsider like Trump is even in office,never mind making needed changes. If it were JEB,Cruz,or one of the other Party regulars in the WH doing the same thing,they would raising the roof with cheers.
Instead it is Trump,and not only is he NOT a life-long alleged Republican,he also has a personality they don't like. They like their candidates to be humble,bumbling losers. The whole "winning" thing is new to them,and they don't like anything new.
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@Emjay you're very welcome. You have to remember there are still people that believe that because Reagan's first middle and last names all contained 6 letters he is/was the devil incarnate. Some of those same people want to equate things that were done by Democrats as being Reagan's fault too.
And I apologize for some of the snark. You didn't deserve it...this is just a bad week for me every year and some of that slipped out in my post.
No worries at all @txradioguy I took no offense and there will be better weeks ahead or so I hope.