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Title: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: goodwithagun on February 09, 2019, 03:17:24 pm
New York's abortion law, the so-called Reproductive Health Act, gave some judicial relief to a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend, according to the New York Post.

Anthony Hobson turned himself in to authorities on Friday, facing second-degree murder charges in the stabbing death of 35-year-old Jennifer Irigoyen, who was five months pregnant.

Hobson was initially going to be charged with second-degree abortion in addition to the murder charge, but because the criminal charge of abortion was repealed by Gov. Andrew Cuomo's abortion law, Hobson avoids the additional charge.

Read more here: https://www.theblaze.com/news/new-yorks-late-term-abortion-law-did-an-accused-murderer-a-favor (https://www.theblaze.com/news/new-yorks-late-term-abortion-law-did-an-accused-murderer-a-favor)
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: goodwithagun on February 09, 2019, 03:18:38 pm
Here you go @sneakypete . It’s official, a murderer will go free early because what his girlfriend was pregnant with wasn’t a baby. I bet you are wearing a nasty woman T-shirt right now.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: goodwithagun on February 09, 2019, 03:21:23 pm
@TomSea @aligncare @txradioguy @Smokin Joe @austingirl
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: mountaineer on February 09, 2019, 03:23:34 pm
 **nononono*
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 09, 2019, 03:25:48 pm
The Party of Death rides again!
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: goodwithagun on February 09, 2019, 03:27:48 pm
The Party of Death rides again!

Yep, on red, black, white, and pale horses.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: austingirl on February 09, 2019, 03:35:29 pm
@TomSea @aligncare @txradioguy @Smokin Joe @austingirl

Liberals-hard to tell if they even thought through the consequences of their celebrated codification of murder.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: sneakypete on February 09, 2019, 06:03:38 pm
Here you go @sneakypete . It’s official, a murderer will go free early because what his girlfriend was pregnant with wasn’t a baby. I bet you are wearing a nasty woman T-shirt right now.

@goodwithagun

I get no joy from trying to discuss anything with the emotionally unbalanced,so have fun with your Holy Spook fantasies.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 09, 2019, 06:20:33 pm
@goodwithagun

I get no joy from trying to discuss anything with the emotionally unbalanced,so have fun with your Holy Spook fantasies.
Where did the poster mention any supernatural force, Pete?

Seems the only holy spook fantasies are the straw men you are waving.

If that's all you got, you're working for the wrong spook.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: goodwithagun on February 10, 2019, 01:32:51 am
@goodwithagun

I get no joy from trying to discuss anything with the emotionally unbalanced,so have fun with your Holy Spook fantasies.

Um, religion wasn’t even mentioned. Protecting baby murder is getting to you.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: txradioguy on February 10, 2019, 06:30:43 am
@TomSea @aligncare @txradioguy @Smokin Joe @austingirl

Absolutely disgusting.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: sneakypete on February 10, 2019, 06:39:04 am
Um, religion wasn’t even mentioned. Protecting baby murder is getting to you.

@goodwithagun

It doesn't have to be mentioned,it is always lurking in the background every time abortion is mentioned.

Or are you going to try to claim you are not religious?
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: Sighlass on February 10, 2019, 09:07:21 am
Or are you going to try to claim you are not religious?

I certainly will not, it is part of what makes me value life, from the physically unborn precious child to the fellow old Briefer that needs prayer cause they just went to the hospital. Because God values my life, and promised forgiveness, no matter how sorry I was in the past. I have hope for you Sneaky, cause every soul is valuable... and others care to, even if you spend your last days spitting at us. So be it, it is a love worth being spit at for. Lash away if you feel you must, I pray you can forgive whomever hurt you enough to act so.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: TomSea on February 10, 2019, 11:54:10 am
And there are atheists and agnostics that are pro-life.

Let's not forget, atheists have a low reproduction rate, so the joke is on them if they want to laugh about religion, they do not have a population replacement rate. One could even say that about Russia which could go under a severe demographic change. Heck, Islam really has it built in with multiple wives. Buddhism is against abortion. There is an argument as to whether Buddhism actually believes in Supreme beings.

http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/atheism-fertility-and-declining-birthrates (http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/atheism-fertility-and-declining-birthrates)

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/atheists-dying-out-contraception-claims-study-a7626846.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/atheists-dying-out-contraception-claims-study-a7626846.html)
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Atheists at risk of dying out due to belief in contraception, study claims
Religious people are having more babies

    Rachel Hosie
    @rachel_hosie
    Monday 13 March 2017 12:23
 
A new study has suggested that atheism is doomed because religious people have higher rates of reproduction.

Due to their lack of belief in contraception, religious believers are having more children than atheists, which could ultimately result in the end of atheism, the study suggests.

The findings fly in the face of popular discourse - and scientists’ predictions - which implies fewer and fewer people are religious nowadays.

Dalai Lama:   https://skeptiko.com/63-is-the-dalai-lama-an-atheist-dr-alan-wallace/ (https://skeptiko.com/63-is-the-dalai-lama-an-atheist-dr-alan-wallace/)

Whether Buddhism is atheistic is a debated topic but the Dalai Lama has said it and again, repeating, Buddhists are pro-life.

There are also a lot of alleged Christians that defend abortion, so, I wouldn't make absolute blanket statements too much.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: goodwithagun on February 10, 2019, 03:45:20 pm
@goodwithagun

It doesn't have to be mentioned,it is always lurking in the background every time abortion is mentioned.

Or are you going to try to claim you are not religious?

But it wasn’t this time; therefore, you have no way to argue for baby murder since you can’t use religion as deflection. Check mate, bitch.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: sneakypete on February 10, 2019, 04:09:57 pm
But it wasn’t this time; therefore, you have no way to argue for baby murder since you can’t use religion as deflection. Check mate, bitch.

@goodwithagun

I don't argue for the murder of babies,and you are a liar if you try to make that claim.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: mountaineer on February 10, 2019, 04:14:14 pm
If an atheist can be against abortion for reasons other than religious faith - and we know that's quite possible - why assume that any other person who opposes abortion is doing so because of (and I quote) "Holy Spook fantasies" and being "emotionally unbalanced"? It really is possible to discuss this issue without insulting people.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: goodwithagun on February 10, 2019, 04:17:02 pm
@goodwithagun

I don't argue for the murder of babies,and you are a liar if you try to make that claim.

I’ll not copy/paste all your posts. They’re already here in black and white.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: sneakypete on February 10, 2019, 04:30:05 pm
I’ll not copy/paste all your posts. They’re already here in black and white.

@goodwithagun

Quote me on ONE post where I advocate murdering babies,or admit you are a liar.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: mountaineer on February 10, 2019, 04:33:10 pm
Come on, let's get back to the horrendous article posted above. That this man could go unpunished for killing an unborn child makes a mockery of criminal law. Thanks, Andy Cuomo.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 10, 2019, 07:57:06 pm
@goodwithagun

I don't argue for the murder of babies,and you are a liar if you try to make that claim.
I guess that depends on the definition of "baby".

Where does life begin, pete?

Conception?

With the first heartbeat?

With the first breath?

Pop the little nipper right into a tub of water, hold them down, and they are never a baby?

Keep their head stuffed in there, and suck their brains out, but because the never got a lungful of air, they weren't a baby? 
These are serious questions.
Where would you define the cutoff?
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: goodwithagun on February 10, 2019, 08:35:09 pm
@goodwithagun

Quote me on ONE post where I advocate murdering babies,or admit you are a liar.

Well there’s this thread http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,350736.75.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,350736.75.html) where you repeatedly advocate for baby murder. Every time you make the case somebody blows your logic out of the water, so then you attempt to move the goal posts.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: goodwithagun on February 10, 2019, 08:36:06 pm
I guess that depends on the definition of "baby".

Where does life begin, pete?

Conception?

With the first heartbeat?

With the first breath?

Pop the little nipper right into a tub of water, hold them down, and they are never a baby?

Keep their head stuffed in there, and suck their brains out, but because the never got a lungful of air, they weren't a baby? 
These are serious questions.
Where would you define the cutoff?

Progressive Pete thinks it begins at birth certificate. Not joking. http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,350736.150.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,350736.150.html)
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: sneakypete on February 10, 2019, 09:22:03 pm
I guess that depends on the definition of "baby".

Where does life begin, pete?


@Smokin Joe

When the fetus has developed enough to survive outside the womb. Even then it isn't a baby UNTIL it is living outside the womb any more than a corpse is a human.

But you don't want to hear that.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: sneakypete on February 10, 2019, 09:26:49 pm
Well there’s this thread http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,350736.75.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,350736.75.html) where you repeatedly advocate for baby murder. Every time you make the case somebody blows your logic out of the water, so then you attempt to move the goal posts.

@goodwithagun

Ok,you have just established that you are a liar. Own it.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: sneakypete on February 10, 2019, 09:30:24 pm
Progressive Pete thinks it begins at birth certificate. Not joking. http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,350736.150.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,350736.150.html)

@goodwithagun

Are you a professional fool,or is this just a hobby?

A fetus is NOT a baby until it is born and breathing,retard.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: goodwithagun on February 10, 2019, 10:25:35 pm
@Smokin Joe

When the fetus has developed enough to survive outside the womb. Even then it isn't a baby UNTIL it is living outside the womb any more than a corpse is a human.

But you don't want to hear that.

No baby, even one born at 40 weeks, can survive outside the womb. A human being must still take care of her in order for her to survive. Just like your birth certificate goal post, your new argument does not stand. Try again, Progressive Pete.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: sneakypete on February 10, 2019, 10:27:18 pm
No baby, even one born at 40 weeks, can survive outside the womb. A human being must still take care of her in order for her to survive. Just like your birth certificate goal post, your new argument does not stand. Try again, Progressive Pete.

@goodwithagun

I am beginning to understand why Autism is a big issue for you.
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: goodwithagun on February 10, 2019, 10:32:23 pm
@goodwithagun

Are you a professional fool,or is this just a hobby?

A fetus is NOT a baby until it is born and breathing,retard.

You’re the one who posted that excuse for humanity, not me. Be angry at yourself. Also, it’s not uncommon for a baby to be born and not breathing. It’s not common either. My niece had to be resuscitated and is now living a full life without any adverse side effects.

So once again, you’ve moved the goal posts. What’s your next move?
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: goodwithagun on February 10, 2019, 10:32:53 pm
@goodwithagun

I am beginning to understand why Autism is a big issue for you.

My son is Autistic. Do you think I should abort him?
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: verga on February 10, 2019, 10:38:45 pm
BKMK
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 11, 2019, 12:01:39 am
@Smokin Joe

When the fetus has developed enough to survive outside the womb. Even then it isn't a baby UNTIL it is living outside the womb any more than a corpse is a human.

But you don't want to hear that.
So you don't consider partial birth abortion a problem?
They pull those kids out backwards to fall under the category of 'not outside' yet, cut a hole in the base of their skull and suck the brains out before they pull the head out.
How about the one that goes full term in NY, and is just an inch or two from seeing daylight?

The 10 pounder (10+lb babies are pretty common in our family, the twins were an exception at 1lb 10 oz and 3 lbs 8 oz) who hangs up and has to come out by C-section isn't a baby?

Just getting your definitions clear (not that I necessarily agree).

At what point is killing the mother with a baby inside a double homicide?
Or does the baby have to be killed outside to be another homicide?

(Forget, for a second, New York's "legal" definition. There is an awful lot of stuff New York's government and I would disagree about.)
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: sneakypete on February 11, 2019, 01:41:52 am
So you don't consider partial birth abortion a problem?

@Smokin Joe

Unless there is a direct connection between a live birth and the death of the mother,yes,I do. IMHO,no one but the mother is qualified to make that call.

I am personally opposed to abortion after 4 months if the fetus is viable and there are no serious health risks for the mother,but I don't make the laws and don't want to be the one making the laws,either.


Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: berdie on February 11, 2019, 02:10:33 am
@goodwithagun

Are you a professional fool,or is this just a hobby?

A fetus is NOT a baby until it is born and breathing,retard.




Do you have children of your own @sneakypete
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: sneakypete on February 11, 2019, 04:34:12 am



Do you have children of your own @sneakypete

@berdie

What difference does it make?
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: goodwithagun on February 11, 2019, 12:48:17 pm
@berdie

What difference does it make?

What’s up, Hillary?
Title: Re: New York's abortion law helped out a man accused of murdering his pregnant girlfriend
Post by: berdie on February 11, 2019, 11:13:13 pm
@berdie

What difference does it make?



I must apologize @sneakypete .  That was not my business and was an intrusive question.

I guess I just wondered if you had a child and saw/felt it's development in the womb would you feel the same way as in your post that I addressed.

But it ain't my business...I'm sorry.