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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on July 20, 2019, 12:35:48 pm
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Trump has not built a single mile of new border fence after 30 months in office
by Anna Giaritelli
| July 20, 2019 12:00 AM
SAN DIEGO, California — The Trump administration has not installed a single mile of new wall in a previously fenceless part of the U.S.-Mexico border in the 30 months since President Trump assumed office, despite his campaign promise to construct a “big beautiful wall.â€
In a statement last week, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the federal agency overseeing border barrier construction, confirmed that all the fencing completed since Trump took office is "in place of dilapidated designs" because the existing fence was in need of replacement.
The agency said that it had built 51 miles of steel bollard fence with funding that was set aside during fiscal 2017 and 2018. But while the funding was meant both to replace outdated walls and to place barriers where there previously had been none, the government has only completed the replacement projects. The projects to secure areas with no fence are still in the works.
The 50 miles of completed replacement barrier is a 10-mile gain since early April. In Trump’s two and a half years in office, his administration has installed an average 1.7 miles of barrier per month, and none of it in areas that did not previously have some sort of barrier. A total 205 miles of new and replacement barrier has been funded in the two and a half years since Trump took office.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-has-not-built-a-single-mile-of-new-border-fence-after-30-months-in-office (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-has-not-built-a-single-mile-of-new-border-fence-after-30-months-in-office)
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Suckers. :yowsa:
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Where’s that wall, then?
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Where’s that wall, then?
Good grief, people. Not only has Congress said no money for the wall construction, judges are going ape crap crazy stopping every alternate funding route the President has attempted.
Judge blocks Trump from using billions in military funds for border wall
The Hill, Jacqueline Thomsen - 06/28/19
A federal judge on Friday issued a ruling blocking the Trump administration from tapping billions of dollars in military funds to construct a wall on the United States's southern border.
U.S. District Judge Haywood Gilliam issued the permanent injunction in a California federal court after initially ruling last month to temporarily halt the administration’s use of military funds for the border wall.
President Trump declared a national emergency earlier this year in order to divert roughly $6 billion in Defense Department funds toward border wall construction. Friday's ruling blocks the administration from using $2.5 billion in military funds for a border wall.
The injunction halts border wall construction at different sites in New Mexico, California, Arizona and Texas, expanding Gilliam's previous ruling.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/450987-judge-permanently-blocks-trump-from-using-billions-in-military-funds
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Unfortunately.... a wall isn't going to solve our immigration invasion problems. Our laws need to be changed, since the gdamned Democrats have schooled the invaders on how to come here and take advantage of the loopholes in those sucky laws... even while refusing to "fix" the problems. The Democrats proving every day in every way that they truly are America's enemy within.
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Border spending package seeks aid for migrants, but no money for Trump’s wall
Roll Call, Jun 11, 2019
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/senate-panel-take-border-spending-package-next-week (https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/senate-panel-take-border-spending-package-next-week)
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Unfortunately.... a wall isn't going to solve our immigration invasion problems. Our laws need to be changed, since the gdamned Democrats have schooled the invaders on how to come here and take advantage of the loopholes in those sucky laws... even while refusing to "fix" the problems. The Democrats proving every day in every way that they truly are America's enemy within.
Great point about Congress ... but I think the wall is a valuable tool in our control of illegal immigration and drug trafficking --- which is why the Socialist-Democrats continue to block the funding.
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Great point about Congress ... but I think the wall is a valuable tool in our control of illegal immigration and drug trafficking --- which is why the Socialist-Democrats continue to block the funding.
Oh, no doubt that it will be a great tool to hinder illegals.... and has already worked in places where border fencing/walls had already been constructed in the past. But right now... it's our stupid laws that need to be changed to fix the current problem.
What I can't figure out is.... why the hell has ANY funding been concentrated on erecting 'replacing' fencing where fencing already existed? Makes no sense. That money should have been used to start 'new' fencing/wall construction. Once the new fencing/walls are constructed... then you could focus on replacing old existing fences/walls. Nothing makes sense to me any more, though...(almost getting used to it).
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Trump admin asks Supreme Court to allow military funds for border wall construction
The Hill, Jul 12, 2019
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/452892-trump-admin-asks-supreme-court-to-allow-military-funds-for-border
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Maybe Trump the fascist dictator could use the military to arrest congress for y’all? How about that?
Would you like that?
(Oh, that pesky constitution!)
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Good grief, people. Not only has Congress said no money for the wall construction, judges are going ape crap crazy stopping every alternate funding route the President has attempted.
Didn't realize Trump was so impotent. Maybe we should get a President who really is a badass and who won't hesitate to spend the $6+ billion that has already been appropriated.
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Maybe Trump the fascist dictator could use the military to arrest congress for y’all? How about that?
Would you like that?
(Oh, that pesky constitution!)
That's what happens when 'The Great Negotiatortm can't get the damn thing done - Blame somebody. BWAHAHAHAHA!
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Didn't realize Trump was so impotent. Maybe we should get a President who really is a badass and who won't hesitate to spend the $6+ billion that has already been appropriated.
The money has been spent @Hoodat That's the problem we're facing (and I use "we're" loosely).
But, hey! You finally got to use the word "impotent". Good for YOU! :beer:
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Suckers. :yowsa:
Another promise Trump couldn't or wouldn't fulfill.
Actually, I was never a fan of the wall. I just wanted our government to enforce the laws and if necessary, pass new ones. But that's not going to happen.
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Another promise Trump couldn't or wouldn't fulfill.
Actually, I was never a fan of the wall. I just wanted our government to enforce the laws and if necessary, pass new ones. But that's not going to happen.
I always knew the wall was secondary to fixing our screwed up immigration laws. And no, that's not going to happen now that the rats have control of da money and of da fixin.
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But his fans are sooo good at chanting. Nothing else matters. The adoration of the crowds.
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Oh good another thread loaded with intelligent debate and respect for others opinions.
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But his fans are sooo good at chanting. Nothing else matters. The adoration of the crowds.
What really matters....
is that the same idiots that sat back and enabled the rats to take over the House and spending in 2018....
are... as we speak... bleating the same crap they bleated before.
The very same idiots that will, no doubt, hand the reigns and control of this country over to the radical leftist DemocRATS in 2020... gleefully. And then they will, of course...
blame Trump!
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Oh good another thread loaded with intelligent debate and respect for others opinions.
You obviously haven't been around political discussion/debate forums much, have you? :tongue2:
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Another promise Trump couldn't or wouldn't fulfill.
Actually, I was never a fan of the wall. I just wanted our government to enforce the laws and if necessary, pass new ones. But that's not going to happen.
Another great time to point out how absolutely insane this messianic faith is that so many have in one man. Tumpy can't change a dang thing and never was going to be able to, that is, if he actually wanted to in the first place.
Understand that this was DOOMED TO FAIL, all the way along.
Pragmatism has brought us a party full of RINOs and a liberal president.
The only thing that WILL WORK is a rigid alignment behind Conservative principles, and an absolute insistence that our representatives serve that cause without fail - Or be thrown out. And with the very same rigid adherence to conservative principles in electing fresh stock... Stop being stupid and voting these sumbitches in in the first place.
When you have a congress full of Conservatives, and a president who is true blue, THAT is when you will find your dreams will come true.
Too bad no one could see that coming... *****rollingeyes*****
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You obviously haven't been around political discussion/debate forums much, have you? :tongue2:
"Debate". I get it.
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Good grief, people. Not only has Congress said no money for the wall construction, judges are going ape crap crazy stopping every alternate funding route the President has attempted.
Andrew Jackson didn't let judges stop him. Why is Trump?
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Andrew Jackson didn't let judges stop him. Why is Trump?
You're kidding, right? Things have changed "slightly" since then. :sarc:
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Right-to-lifers continue to be enthused about Trump.
That's the conservatism that's good enough for me, speak for yourself if your weak arguments are about calling other's names because you abandoned that principle.
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Good grief, people. Not only has Congress said no money for the wall construction, judges are going ape crap crazy stopping every alternate funding route the President has attempted.
Good grief people. Trump promised HE would get a great big beautiful wall built.
Which means he either lied to us, or he’s an incompetent fool who promised what he did not have the skills to obtain.
Steer or queer. Take your pick.
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Good grief people. Trump promised HE would get a great big beautiful wall built.
Which means he either lied to us, or he’s an incompetent fool who promised what he did not have the skills to obtain.
Steer or queer. Take your pick.
And that is simply unheard of. I mean... a candidate for president....on the campaign trail....
making promises he can't or will never ever bother to fulfill. (obligatory dripping sarcasm icon cued here)
Most folks, and yeah... even most Trump supporters, knew deep down that Mexico would never be made to 'pay for' any wall.
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And that is simply unheard of. I mean... a candidate for president....on the campaign trail....
making promises he can't or will never ever bother to fulfill. (obligatory dripping sarcasm icon cued here)
Most folks, and yeah... even most Trump supporters, knew deep down that Mexico would never be made to 'pay for' any wall.
So we elected an incompetent moron who lied to us, and did so knowing we were being lied to. Wow. That’s a stunning indictment of this supposedly oh-so-smart Trump voters.
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So we elected an incompetent moron who lied to us, and did so knowing we were being lied to. Wow. That’s a stunning indictment of this supposedly oh-so-smart Trump voters.
No, what's stunning is your apparent lack of knowledge about how 'most' presidential candidates make promises they can't or won't ever keep. (friggin duh)
To single out ONLY Trump for this clearly shows your blatant bias. (double friggin duh)
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Suckers. :yowsa:
I think we need to have a drinking contest for every time a Trump fanboy or girl has a comment that diverts from the discussion of his failures. Like "He he's been pro-life, or "he's nominated conservative judges, or he's better than Hilary, etc. etc. etc.
Bottom line and fact is .... not one foot of wall has been built.
I'll bring the bourbon ....... (I have a feeliing we'll be getting soused quickly) :cool:
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No, what's stunning is your apparent lack of knowledge about how 'most' presidential candidates make promises they can't or won't ever keep. (friggin duh)
To single out ONLY Trump for this clearly shows your blatant bias. (double friggin duh)
Yeah. Typical liberal attack: you can’t deal with the facts so you attack the messenger. How very progressive of you.
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So we elected an incompetent moron who lied to us, and did so knowing we were being lied to. Wow. That’s a stunning indictment of this supposedly oh-so-smart Trump voters.
How do you not know that Congress has blocked the President's requests for money and legislation to reinforce our border security ..... and the judges appointed and approved by the Senate during eight years of the Obummer administration slap down any attempt to reinforce our border security the Congress may miss?
Geeze, it's almost like you've been in a coma for two years. Hope you're okay. happy77
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I think we need to have a drinking contest for every time a Trump fanboy or girl has a comment that diverts from the discussion of his failures. Like "He he's been pro-life, or "he's nominated conservative judges, or he's better than Hilary, etc. etc. etc.
Bottom line and fact is .... not one foot of wall has been built.
I'll bring the bourbon ....... (I have a feeliing we'll be getting soused quickly) :cool:
(https://www.autostraddle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Makers-Mark-Neat.jpg)
We’ll spend the next couple of years drunk as skunks.
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How do you not know that Congress has blocked the President's requests for money and legislation to reinforce our border security ..... and the judges appointed and approved by the Senate during eight years of the Obummer administration slap down any attempt to reinforce our border security the Congress may miss?
Geeze, it's almost like you've been in a coma for two years. Hope you're okay. happy77
Why did Trump promise that which he could not deliver? And why did you buy the lie?
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Good grief, people. Not only has Congress said no money for the wall construction, judges are going ape crap crazy stopping every alternate funding route the President has attempted.
Yeah I listened to his North Carolina Rally. He is lying to the people. He said that the wall was being built.
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When did the "President" become a "King?"
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Why did Trump promise that which he could not deliver? And why did you buy the lie?
Every single Presidential candidate makes promises about what they want to do when they get in office, and there is always an implied contingency of needing the support of Congress. Presidents can fairly be accused of reneging on campaign promises when they change their own position on an issue. But accusing a candidate of "lying" because a campaign promise could not be fulfilled because of Congressional opposition is nitpicking in the extreme.
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Wow. The excuse-making is rampant.
Trump said he would build the wall. He didn’t say that he thought it would be a good idea, but that it would take a lot of work to get everyone on board, and that he couldn’t do it by himself. He said he would build the wall.
Where is that wall?
He’s a steer or a queer. You have no other choices.
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Every single Presidential candidate makes promises about what they want to do when they get in office, and there is always an implied contingency of needing the support of Congress. Presidents can fairly be accused of reneging on campaign promises when they change their own position on an issue. But accusing a candidate of "lying" because a campaign promise could not be fulfilled because of Congressional opposition is nitpicking in the extreme.
Bullshit.
Trump said he would get the wall built. No contingencies, no maybes.
And it turns out that he can’t. And his vaunted negotiating skills? If he’s so damned good, why couldn’t he get the wall negotiated through Congress?
The last time he tried, Schumer and Pelosi spanked him like it was a political BDSM movie.
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BKMK
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Bullshit.
Trump said he would get the wall built. No contingencies, no maybes.
Did you think he could build it without Congressional support? I suspect not. And if not...then what are you bitching about? You weren't deceived/lied to because you understood the context in which the statement was made. You're just pretending that you were to manufacture outrage.
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Did you think he could build it without Congressional support? I suspect not. And if not...then what are you bitching about? You weren't deceived/lied to because you understood the context in which the statement was made. You're just pretending that you were to manufacture outrage.
Hop on board the excuse train much?
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Hop on board the excuse train much?
Refuse to answer the question much? I'll ask the question again in case you missed it:
Did you believe that Trump could build the wall without any Congressional support, or did you understand that Congressional support would be required? Because if it's the latter, then you weren't misled at all, and understood exactly what it meant in context when he made those promises.
Or maybe your point is that only really smart guys like you understood that, and he was really lying to everyone else who doesn't have your brain power.
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I think we need to have a drinking contest for every time a Trump fanboy or girl has a comment that diverts from the discussion of his failures. Like "He he's been pro-life, or "he's nominated conservative judges, or he's better than Hilary, etc. etc. etc.
Bottom line and fact is .... not one foot of wall has been built.
Imagine where we'd be in this project if the President wasn't forced to go to the US Supreme Court for approval to fund the wall @catfish1957 . Here's a sampling of the "not one foot of wall has been built" ... despite the myriad of obstacles.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgP1wPCtwa4#)
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odnndq_GOUY#)
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=686BduJH9Do#)
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGLljk9t0EI#)
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL08sbhHzRA#)
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3o6DTfpBNo#)
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Bullshit.
Trump said he would get the wall built. No contingencies, no maybes.
And it turns out that he can’t. And his vaunted negotiating skills? If he’s so damned good, why couldn’t he get the wall negotiated through Congress?
The last time he tried, Schumer and Pelosi spanked him like it was a political BDSM movie.
Maybe I was hoping he'd steamroll congress on the issue, but it's true he hasn't. He's stuck to the system he's Constitutionally constrained by.
But he has continued to plow ahead under the limitations laid out under the Constitution and I guess I'm willing to give him credit for persevering, where you are not. In fact I'd give him more points for consistency than almost any president in my lifetime.
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@Right_in_Virginia
They're just playing a semantic game because they hate Trump. If a crappy little fence that could be very easily crossed/destroyed is replaced by a true wall, they don't count that as "new". See how that works? The on-ground reality of what is happening is irrelevant to them because their goal isn't to discuss reality, but to trash Trump.
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Trump said he would build the wall. He didn’t say that he thought it would be a good idea, but that it would take a lot of work to get everyone on board, and that he couldn’t do it by himself. He said he would build the wall.
When did you start believing a single word Trump says? When it's convienient to bash Briefers?
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@Right_in_Virginia
They're just playing a semantic game because they hate Trump. If a crappy little fence that could be very easily crossed/destroyed is replaced by a true wall, they don't count that as "new". See how that works? The on-ground reality of what is happening is irrelevant to them because their goal isn't to discuss reality, but to trash Trump.
Reading through these threads although they claim to despise Trump often more bile is directed at his supporters. In spite of most acknowledging having the same goals. Figure that one out.
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Why did Trump promise that which he could not deliver? And why did you buy the lie?
Rest assured the President hasn't lied. I've posted just a few of the videos showing the progress we've made ... with limited funding. The progress is grinding to a halt while we all await the decision from the Supreme Court on whether or not the POTUS has the authority to redirect defense department funds to building the wall.
You appear to be quite emotional about this issue @Bill Cipher I don't know if it's because you're disappointed the wall's not being built fast enough --- in which case I'd advise to chill, keep the faith and know the wall will be completed.
Or you may appear so emotional because you're seizing a media lie and using it as a club to humiliate and beat me with --- in which case I'd advise you to piss off.
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Don't make it personal. Stick to the issue. First warning.
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Every single Presidential candidate makes promises about what they want to do when they get in office, and there is always an implied contingency of needing the support of Congress. Presidents can fairly be accused of reneging on campaign promises when they change their own position on an issue.
Gee... SO MUCH nonsense just flatly goes away when folks examine the record instead of falling for promises made from the stump, you know like what folks called Conservatives used to do... They would debate the candidates RECORD to determine if the candidate was capable of keeping his word before putting their money where his mouth was.
But accusing a candidate of "lying" because a campaign promise could not be fulfilled because of Congressional opposition is nitpicking in the extreme.
Read my lips - No new taxes.
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Maybe I was hoping he'd steamroll congress on the issue, but it's true he hasn't. He's stuck to the system he's Constitutionally constrained by.
But he has continued to plow ahead under the limitations laid out under the Constitution and I guess I'm willing to give him credit for persevering, where you are not. In fact I'd give him more points for consistency than almost any president in my lifetime.
Everyone knows that the Border is in Crisis and there is a humanitarian crisis. So the Republicans push a 5+billion humanitarian funding bill which includes money for lawyers for the illegal immigrants. More money to take care of rising numbers of illegal immigrants. Nothing in it to stop this from happening. Next year probably more billions to take care of illegal immigrants with no plan to stop them from coming. Waste, waste and more waste. That is the bill Trump pushed.
He does have the power of the pen. He never has to sign legislation that doesn't include funding to secure the border. But he has. He says I will not sign another...……….and he does. He shut down the government just to open it with nothing. How defeated we were when Mulvaney was being interviewed and saying he was negotiating for 1.3 billion during the shut down. Nothing, got nothing.
And not only that but he signed the bill that gave local governments the option to opt out of wall. He also signed to allow illegal immigrants already in the United States to sponsor children (teenagers, some with ties to MS-13 already) who come alone.
NOT WINNING!
And then he has that great conversation where he tells all the people at the rallies that he is building the wall.
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And it turns out that he can’t. And his vaunted negotiating skills? If he’s so damned good, why couldn’t he get the wall negotiated through Congress?
There's the money shot... How many times have we all heard it... ONLY Tump...
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Read my lips - No new taxes.
Did that win Bush 41 a second term?
Congress passed it, he signed it and owned it.
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Yeah. Typical liberal attack: you can’t deal with the facts so you attack the messenger. How very progressive of you.
Lol!
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Did that win Bush 41 a second term?
Congress passed it, he signed it and owned it.
Yeah, it lost him the election, as I recall it... and if it didn't, it sure gave Billy Jeff Clinton one helluva club.
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Everyone knows that the Border is in Crisis and there is a humanitarian crisis. So the Republicans push a 5+billion humanitarian funding bill which includes money for lawyers for the illegal immigrants. More money to take care of rising numbers of illegal immigrants. Nothing in it to stop this from happening. Next year probably more billions to take care of illegal immigrants with no plan to stop them from coming. Waste, waste and more waste. That is the bill Trump pushed.
He does have the power of the pen. He never has to sign legislation that doesn't include funding to secure the border. But he has. He says I will not sign another...……….and he does. He shut down the government just to open it with nothing. How defeated we were when Mulvaney was being interviewed and saying he was negotiating for 1.3 billion during the shut down. Nothing, got nothing.
And not only that but he signed the bill that gave local governments the option to opt out of wall. He also signed to allow illegal immigrants already in the United States to sponsor children (teenagers, some with ties to MS-13 already) who come alone.
NOT WINNING!
And then he has that great conversation where he tells all the people at the rallies that he is building the wall.
I share your frustration. I just don't feel like bitching about it all the time.
They'll be plenty of time for bitching if he leaves office and the wall remains unbuilt. In the meantime a little positivity might be good for your health.
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Yeah, it lost him the election, as I recall it... and if it didn't, it sure gave Billy Jeff Clinton one helluva club.
It gave voice to Perot, which cost him the election. He deserved to lose, but did we deserve Clinton?
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Good grief people. Trump promised HE would get a great big beautiful wall built.
Which means he either lied to us, or he’s an incompetent fool who promised what he did not have the skills to obtain.
Steer or queer. Take your pick.
Truth. Why doesn't Trump push the idea of using El Chappo money?
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Truth. Why doesn't Trump push the idea of using El Chappo money?
Maybe because he wants it to happen?
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Maybe because he wants it to happen?
Excellent response.
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I share your frustration. I just don't feel like bitching about it all the time.
They'll be plenty of time for bitching if he leaves office and the wall remains unbuilt. In the meantime a little positivity might be good for your health.
Well thanks for your concern @skeeter. What is bad for my health is opening that tax document that shows my taxes rising. Knowing full well that a good portion of that property tax is going for educating illegal immigrant children. Giving them free meals at school. Government food, housing, legal advise, medical and dental. Cash assistance...…..etc. And knowing that they are sending a good portion of the money back home. They have brand new cars. Buy mulitiple houses...………………..
They get sick and go to the Emergency room where their bills are dropped. I go to get a CT scan and make a payment plan.
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Good grief people. Trump promised HE would get a great big beautiful wall built.
Which means he either lied to us, or he’s an incompetent fool who promised what he did not have the skills to obtain.
Steer or queer. Take your pick.
You forgot the real reason for his 'promise'. He counted on many to put their trust in him. He knew he had nothing to deliver.
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It gave voice to Perot, which cost him the election. He deserved to lose, but did we deserve Clinton?
That's how it goes. When enough of your own are disenfranchised, they wont turn out, and the other side gets the win.
That should be a warning and a lesson, but no one ever hears it.
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Read my lips. No new taxes
That's exactly the point. Bush said he was against new taxes, then supported and signed a bill imposing the exact thing he said he was against. A true broken promise.
Now, suppose Bush would have opposed the new taxes, vetoed them, but had his veto overridden by Congress. Would it have been fair to accuse him of "lying" then?
Because that would be the closest analogy to calling Trump a liar because the GOP Congress wouldn't approve funding for a wall.
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Well thanks for your concern @skeeter. What is bad for my health is opening that tax document that shows my taxes rising. Knowing full well that a good portion of that property tax is going for educating illegal immigrant children. Giving them free meals at school. Government food, housing, legal advise, medical and dental. Cash assistance...…..etc. And knowing that they are sending a good portion of the money back home. They have brand new cars. Buy mulitiple houses...………………..
They get sick and go to the Emergency room where their bills are dropped. I go to get a CT scan and make a payment plan.
Dunno where you're from, but living in California I have more right to be sick about the situation than most. Even with no mortgage I cannot afford to retire in the home where I raised my kids thanks in large part to the illegal immigrant problem. I also know that Trump represents the best shot I have ever known at addressing the problem effectively.
If he leaves office having failed I will bitch as loudly as anyone. In the meantime I prefer to remain hopeful.
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Because that would be the closest analogy to calling Trump a liar because the GOP Congress wouldn't approve funding for a wall.
No, That was a promise he was never going to keep. And he knew it.
Heck, I would give Geo HW Bush more credit for actually meaning it in the first place.
This entire GIGANTIC waste of time - not this topic, this entire administration - was based upon the premise that all opponents would fall before the great fighter and negotiator... In almost superhero terms. Five years of vomiting has etched it in my mind.
Turns out, it's all bullcrap. Go figger. Who'da thunk it? :whistle: *****rollingeyes*****
But now, conveniently, he's nothing but a poor, weak victim...
All y'all gotta make up your minds. Folks are getting whiplash out here.
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That's how it goes. When enough of your own are disenfranchised, they wont turn out, and the other side gets the win.
That should be a warning and a lesson, but no one ever hears it.
Yup. They do not learn. The "experts" keep telling politicians they have to "expand the base," but nobody seems to care about maintaining the base. This is how we get crappy politicians like McStain fighting only their base while fishing for leftist votes.
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Yup. They do not learn. The "experts" keep telling politicians they have to "expand the base," but nobody seems to care about maintaining the base. This is how we get crappy politicians like McStain fighting only their base while fishing for leftist votes.
That, now, is more or less the norm. Which is a big part of why the word Republican should never be associated with the word Conservative.
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I get that there is only so much that Trump can do to fulfill his campaign promises and that he needs congress to "get 'er done". But I sill think he could have worked with congress to accomplish his stated goals. As president, he should have enough clout to sit down with party leaders and say ok, how can we do this? He might have even been able to hammer out some bipartisan deals -- really bipartisan, not the ones during the Obama era where the Republicans gave the Democrats everything and received nothing in return.
But Trump couldn't even work with leaders of his own party. From the beginning, he insulted them and blamed them for whatever was wrong. No one is going to be willing to work with someone who starts out a working relationship by browbeating the people he should be working with. Much of the time Trump wouldn't meet with them at all, let alone with the Democrats. The few times he did meet, he stomped his feet, threw a tantrum and walked out when he didn't get his way. That is not leadership. That is not getting things done.
When the Democrats rammed Obamacare down our throats, it was a more coordinated effort. Seemed like, for the most part, they were all on the same page and everyone played a part. Obama even did his part -- selling this crappy legislation to the people. I didn't see the infighting, the hissy fits, the staged controversies and the general laziness that plague this presidency and congressional Republicans. Republicans can't even agree on the time of day.
And I doubt any of them really want to work together. They really have no intention of keeping their promises to the voters. Seems to me they all just sit on their lazy duffs and collect their salaries and benefits. Or at least they did. Now that the house has been lost to the Democrats and they face a possibly uphill fight to retain control of the senate and even get Trump re-elected, they are all suddenly coming out of the woodwork and pretending that now, they are really going to address the issues like they promised even before 2016. The theme now is, if we give them continued control of the senate and the presidency and maybe retake the house in a couple of years -- this time they are really going to keep their promises.
sorry, guys, but I'm tired of the broken promises, tired of the fighting, tired of the same issues plaguing this country and everyone pointing fingers at everyone else. No one is absolved of responsibility. Congressional Republicans didn't do their part and neither did Trump.
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And I doubt any of them really want to work together. They really have no intention of keeping their promises to the voters.
They are guided by no unified standard. Ergo, they will not be unified, except in that which least threatens their positions.
And folks just keep on voting for exactly that.
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Dunno where you're from, but living in California I have more right to be sick about the situation than most. Even with no mortgage I cannot afford to retire in the home where I raised my kids thanks in large part to the illegal immigrant problem. I also know that Trump represents the best shot I have ever known at addressing the problem effectively.
If he leaves office having failed I will bitch as loudly as anyone. In the meantime I prefer to remain hopeful.
I agree you do have a right. But saying nothing about nothing getting done pretty much guarantee's that you can bitch very soon.
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They are guided by no unified standard. Ergo, they will not be unified, except in that which least threatens their positions.
And folks just keep on voting for exactly that.
Keep going as expected and they can all use the other party as an excuse. Same old, same old. Some things never change.
What will it take for Americans to say enough?
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This is really nothing new. Back when Lyin' Ryan was Speaker, the budget bill then that was passed specifically stated that no $$ would be allocated for new fencing, only repairs and/or replacement of existing fence.
All these marvelous pictures of border fence and Trump proclaiming that the wall is getting built ... well... it's b.s.
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I get that there is only so much that Trump can do to fulfill his campaign promises and that he needs congress to "get 'er done". But I sill think he could have worked with congress to accomplish his stated goals. As president, he should have enough clout to sit down with party leaders and say ok, how can we do this? He might have even been able to hammer out some bipartisan deals -- really bipartisan, not the ones during the Obama era where the Republicans gave the Democrats everything and received nothing in return.
But Trump couldn't even work with leaders of his own party. From the beginning, he insulted them and blamed them for whatever was wrong. No one is going to be willing to work with someone who starts out a working relationship by browbeating the people he should be working with. Much of the time Trump wouldn't meet with them at all, let alone with the Democrats. The few times he did meet, he stomped his feet, threw a tantrum and walked out when he didn't get his way. That is not leadership. That is not getting things done.
When the Democrats rammed Obamacare down our throats, it was a more coordinated effort. Seemed like, for the most part, they were all on the same page and everyone played a part. Obama even did his part -- selling this crappy legislation to the people. I didn't see the infighting, the hissy fits, the staged controversies and the general laziness that plague this presidency and congressional Republicans. Republicans can't even agree on the time of day.
And I doubt any of them really want to work together. They really have no intention of keeping their promises to the voters. Seems to me they all just sit on their lazy duffs and collect their salaries and benefits. Or at least they did. Now that the house has been lost to the Democrats and they face a possibly uphill fight to retain control of the senate and even get Trump re-elected, they are all suddenly coming out of the woodwork and pretending that now, they are really going to address the issues like they promised even before 2016. The theme now is, if we give them continued control of the senate and the presidency and maybe retake the house in a couple of years -- this time they are really going to keep their promises.
sorry, guys, but I'm tired of the broken promises, tired of the fighting, tired of the same issues plaguing this country and everyone pointing fingers at everyone else. No one is absolved of responsibility. Congressional Republicans didn't do their part and neither did Trump.
Trump could have and should have worked with Congress when he had the majority in both Houses. Cruz several times encouraged him to do so ... El Chap to pay for it anyone? Trump FAILED. The charade of him calling a press conference with Chuck and Nancy and then closing down the border was a disgrace. It accomplished nothing and only emphasized the fact that he waited till the last minute to do anything. Not to worry, Chuck and Nancy got him to sign a bill allowing states to opt out of a barrier. /s
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Keep going as expected and they can all use the other party as an excuse. Same old, same old. Some things never change.
What will it take for Americans to say enough?
Well, I did. I left the Republican Party and I'm not coming back. Already said many times I'm not voting Republican next year. I've had enough of the lies and broken promises. Really wish more people would follow. As long as people keep voting for them, the Republicans will keep doing as they have always done -- sitting on their fat behinds and doing nothing.
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This is really nothing new. Back when Lyin' Ryan was Speaker, the budget bill then that was passed specifically stated that no $$ would be allocated for new fencing, only repairs and/or replacement of existing fence.
All these marvelous pictures of border fence and Trump proclaiming that the wall is getting built ... well... it's b.s.
Well Ryan has ties to Catholic Asylum charity group. I can't imagine how much the Catholic church and other religious/Christian groups are making off illegal immigrants. Keeps them going.
I posted a video of the new President in El Salvador. That guy sounds like he wants to take charge in changing his own country. That should be the direction for people of faith. To encourage our government to demand changes for the people in their own countries. To stop the loopholes that draw illegal immigrants. Instead our own government is driving us in the same direction of these failed governments. We are headed down the road to being a Venezuela type government. And truth is Trump is a yuuuge disappointment. All talk no action. Actually caving to the loony left driving us toward third world poverty.
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Trump could have and should have worked with Congress when he had the majority in both Houses...
Bingo! He and they did nothing. Then after the house was lost and now that 2020 is coming, suddenly they are all interested in the invasion and other issues they promised to fix. They might make some half-hearted attempts, but those will go nowhere. So the theme will be -- vote for Trump in 2020, retain the senate, take back the house after that and then things will get done.
Sorry. IMHO, they all had their chance. They blew it. I'm not going to be one of those who will give them another chance.
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Bingo! He and they did nothing. Then after the house was lost and now that 2020 is coming, suddenly they are all interested in the invasion and other issues they promised to fix. They might make some half-hearted attempts, but those will go nowhere. So the theme will be -- vote for Trump in 2020, retain the senate, take back the house after that and then things will get done.
Sorry. IMHO, they all had their chance. They blew it. I'm not going to be one of those who will give them another chance.
They aren't giving us any choice. Trump is it. I was hoping a good Conservative would come forward. But they want to stay with the do nothing agenda. And listening to FOX news you would think Trump is a god. Best thing for this country ever. The sell is on for 4 more years of spending without border security.
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Bingo! He and they did nothing. Then after the house was lost and now that 2020 is coming, suddenly they are all interested in the invasion and other issues they promised to fix. They might make some half-hearted attempts, but those will go nowhere. So the theme will be -- vote for Trump in 2020, retain the senate, take back the house after that and then things will get done.
Sorry. IMHO, they all had their chance. They blew it. I'm not going to be one of those who will give them another chance.
Yes, he should have hit the ground running and brought about some changes when he had the ability to do so. Not that he is now without any ability to make changes, but it is much, much more difficult.
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Well, I did. I left the Republican Party and I'm not coming back. Already said many times I'm not voting Republican next year. I've had enough of the lies and broken promises. Really wish more people would follow. As long as people keep voting for them, the Republicans will keep doing as they have always done -- sitting on their fat behinds and doing nothing.
That's right.
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Maybe because he wants it to happen?
Mexico is paying for the Wall through the USMCA that ain't happening either.
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Mexico is paying for the Wall through the USMCA that ain't happening either.
woohoo. winning. *****rollingeyes*****
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Good grief people. Trump promised HE would get a great big beautiful wall built.
Which means he either lied to us, or he’s an incompetent fool who promised what he did not have the skills to obtain.
Steer or queer. Take your pick.
One thing is for certain. Anyone with a Trump book in their library should probably clean the shelf of Trump wisdom. Art of deal has become art of failure.
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I agree you do have a right. But saying nothing about nothing getting done pretty much guarantee's that you can bitch very soon.
Hate to break it to ya but posting WINNING in all caps every time there's bad news ain't helping either.
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Hate to break it to ya but posting WINNING in all caps every time there's bad news ain't helping either.
Nothing is helping. No evidence of winning.
Here is something that deserves Caps.
NO BORDER SECURITY. NOT ONLY CAN WE NOT SECURE THE BORDER WE ARE BUSY STRAPPING OUR CHILDREN WITH TRILLIONS IN NATIONAL DEBT. SO NOT ONLY WILL OUR CHILDREN CONTINUE TO HAVE TO PAY TO RAISE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT FAMILIES THEY MUST ALSO PAY OFF NATIONAL DEBT. BUT REST ASSURED THERE ARE MORE MANUFACTURING COMPANIES STAYING TO EMPLOY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AT CHEAP LABOR PRICES.
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Nothing is helping. No evidence of winning.
Here is something that deserves Caps.
NO BORDER SECURITY. NOT ONLY CAN WE NOT SECURE THE BORDER WE ARE BUSY STRAPPING OUR CHILDREN WITH TRILLIONS IN NATIONAL DEBT. SO NOT ONLY WILL OUR CHILDREN CONTINUE TO HAVE TO PAY TO RAISE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT FAMILIES THEY MUST ALSO PAY OF NATIONAL DEBT.
All true. Writing your congressperson, as lame as it sounds, will do more good than b*tching on a news forum.
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All true. Writing your congressperson, as lame as it sounds, will do more good than b*tching on a news forum.
I have to write someone else's because mine do not care. They are the problem. State Senate, Congress, Governor, Mayor, City Council men and women. All of them. Seattle and the suburbs run the state.
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All true. Writing your congressperson, as lame as it sounds, will do more good than b*tching on a news forum.
I'll ask mine. There's a TEA Party meeting in a couple hours....
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I have to write someone else's because mine do not care. They are the problem. State Senate, Congress, Governor, Mayor, City Council men and women. All of them. Seattle and the suburbs run the state.
We are truly disenfranchised. ALSO because of out of control immigration, both legal and otherwise.
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I'll ask mine. There's a TEA Party meeting in a couple hours....
Well pin his ears back for those of us on the coasts, please.
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I'll ask mine. There's a TEA Party meeting in a couple hours....
:thumbsup:
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We are truly disenfranchised. ALSO because of out of control immigration, both legal and otherwise.
Frustrating. I know it is for you as well as me. It comes out in my postings here. I know.
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Frustrating. I know it is for you as well as me. It comes out in my postings here. I know.
I have to constantly remind myself that as Christians we know how all of this ends anyway.
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I have to constantly remind myself that as Christians we know how all of this ends anyway.
And we can't even fathom how bad it can get before it does. Very sad for my children. If Democrats succeed we will be no different than the 3'rd world poverty people claim they are trying to escape.
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I have to write someone else's because mine do not care. They are the problem. State Senate, Congress, Governor, Mayor, City Council men and women. All of them. Seattle and the suburbs run the state.
I didn't realize that is where you live, and that helps to understand your frustration. Keep the faith!
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And we can't even fathom how bad it can get before it does. Very sad for my children. If Democrats succeed we will be no different than the 3'rd world poverty people claim they are trying to escape.
BTW my son is starting a doctoral program at Univ of Puget Sound this fall & he'll probably end up staying up there. He's got his head on straight so you'll at least have one more on your team.
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Bingo! He and they did nothing. Then after the house was lost and now that 2020 is coming, suddenly they are all interested in the invasion and other issues they promised to fix. They might make some half-hearted attempts, but those will go nowhere. So the theme will be -- vote for Trump in 2020, retain the senate, take back the house after that and then things will get done.
Sorry. IMHO, they all had their chance. They blew it. I'm not going to be one of those who will give them another chance.
Well, for me, it's not a matter of giving them another chance as the GOP held the majority for 4 straight years, it's a matter of taking a stand against the progressive left. Like Trump or not, he IS standing between them taking the oval office. No one else is stepping up to the plate to challenge him. So, it's either him or a bat crap crazy DEM.
As for 2024, I think the GOP is absolutely, unequivocally, royally screwed!
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Well pin his ears back for those of us on the coasts, please.
Will do!
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And we can't even fathom how bad it can get before it does. Very sad for my children. If Democrats succeed we will be no different than the 3'rd world poverty people claim they are trying to escape.
If the DEMS win, we WILL become another Germany or France; perhaps they may even be our envy. 2020 is still Trump's to lose, but by 2024, unless some miracle happens, we won't see another GOP seated in Congress, nor the White House.
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Ah.......................the Great Awakening and very long overdue!!!!!
A wise Roman asked, "Is it better the Prince be feared or loved???"
We know the answer and it's the reason Trump has achieved NOTHING!
He literally rolls out of the WH daily and what does he instantly do ???
Why head for the cameras and microphones laced w/people whose
driving ambition is to embarrass and urinate on him; as their have zero
respect for, but infinitely more importantly, absolutely no fear of him.
It is the same w/the Chinese, the Koreans, the Iranians, the Venezuelans,
the Mexicans, the Congress and all the rest; as he is a noisy and
non-serious buffoon. If R's want to survive, getting rid of him is Priority #1.
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If the DEMS win, we WILL become another Germany or France;
We will anyway if pubs are the same as dems. Finding salvation in people who do nothing to halt the trillions in debt that is ongoing regardless of who is in power is, to be kind, misbegotten.
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Well pin his ears back for those of us on the coasts, please.
My 10 term "GOP" rep, lost last Nov. and moved to retire in Maine.
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Ah.......................the Great Awakening and very long overdue!!!!!
A wise Roman asked, "Is it better the Prince be feared or loved???"
We know the answer and it's the reason Trump has achieved NOTHING!
He literally rolls out of the WH daily and what does he instantly do ???
Why head for the cameras and microphones laced w/people whose
driving ambition is to urinate on and embarrass him; as their have zero
respect for, but infinitely more importantly, absolutely no fear of him.
It is the same w/the Chinese, the Koreans, the Iranians, the Venezuelans,
the Mexicans, the Congress and all the rest; as he is a noisy and
non-serious buffoon. If R's want to survive getting rid of him is Priority #1.
I have no desire to engage in a p*ssing contest, and you may be correct about the Koreans, Mexicans, etc, but I am lucky to have some insight into Chinese opinion journalism, and while they may despise Trump a good chunk seem to have a great deal of respect for him. Some even have caught on to the fact the US media is not being honest with their reporting on him.
It's really not that hard to imagine since they so easily rolled his predecessors for so long, yet they don't seem to be having much luck with him.
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Well, for me, it's not a matter of giving them another chance as the GOP held the majority for 4 straight years, it's a matter of taking a stand against the progressive left. Like Trump or not, he IS standing between them taking the oval office. No one else is stepping up to the plate to challenge him. So, it's either him or a bat crap crazy DEM.
As for 2024, I think the GOP is absolutely, unequivocally, royally screwed!
The GOP might be screwed before then. For example, Trump will have his diehard supports and those who will vote for him only to "save us" from the Democrat nominee. But I really think he is going to need the undecideds and the independents to win and I'm not sure he has them.
And for the Republicans in the senate -- I don't know. I expect some who will vote for Trump might not necessarily vote Republican in senate races. Part of that is Trump's own attitude toward his own party. He has blamed other Republicans so much and so often for what has been his failures and theirs that unless he directs his supporters otherwise, they might decide to "drain the swamp" themselves.
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There was one person I saw on Trump's team that was fighting the good fight against illegal immigration... and Trump fired him... then mocked him for his accent....
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The GOP might be screwed before then. For example, Trump will have his diehard supports and those who will vote for him only to "save us" from the Democrat nominee. But I really think he is going to need the undecideds and the independents to win and I'm not sure he has them.
And for the Republicans in the senate -- I don't know. I expect some who will vote for Trump might not necessarily vote Republican in senate races. Part of that is Trump's own attitude toward his own party. He has blamed other Republicans so much and so often for what has been his failures and theirs that unless he directs his supporters otherwise, they might decide to "drain the swamp" themselves.
Have you looked at the Dem field? Not a lot for independents to get excited about, save maybe voting against them.
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The money has been spent @Hoodat That's the problem we're facing (and I use "we're" loosely).
@Right_in_Virginia
So what was the $6+ trillion earmark spent on since it clearly wasn't spent on constructing a wall?
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If you can get past the wind sound issue....
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPQg10FmL1E#)
And I take it back. Replacing old WWII fencing like this at or around/near the port of entries is probably the first priority.
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Some of us here back in 2016 said building a wall across the entire border of Mexico is impossible, and someone filmed a helicopter flight of the entire border to show us why. Mountain ranges, rivers, switch backs, and private property that certainly would be disputed in court. And that is why I said back then it was a mistake for him to run on that promise, and that it would be big, beautiful, and Mexico was going to pay for it. We were called fools at best, traitors at worst by our own party member dawning those red Maga hats.
Trump should have made securing the border a top campaign promise, but go with a all of the above approach to it. Walls were it makes since, increased border patrols where a wall simply is not the answer.
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After roughly 4 years of this discussion, the other side has convinced me and I'm changing my mind on the matter.
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After roughly 4 years of this discussion, the other side has convinced me and I'm changing my mind on the matter.
Great. So we're done then, and we can all finally let it be.
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Have you looked at the Dem field? Not a lot for independents to get excited about, save maybe voting against them.
True. But they could write in someone, vote third party or stay home.
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Some of us here back in 2016 said building a wall across the entire border of Mexico is impossible, and someone filmed a helicopter flight of the entire border to show us why. Mountain ranges, rivers, switch backs, and private property that certainly would be disputed in court. And that is why I said back then it was a mistake for him to run on that promise, and that it would be big, beautiful, and Mexico was going to pay for it. We were called fools at best, traitors at worst by our own party member dawning those red Maga hats.
Trump should have made securing the border a top campaign promise, but go with a all of the above approach to it. Walls were it makes since, increased border patrols where a wall simply is not the answer.
they also could have enforced our immigration laws, send back those here illegally and put an end to sanctuary cities.
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After roughly 4 years of this discussion, the other side has convinced me and I'm changing my mind on the matter.
It is indeed a Great Day for the Internet.
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It is indeed a Great Day for the Internet.
Heck, for the whole wide world! :silly:
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In 1968 Richard Nixon ran saying he had a "secret plan," to end the Vietnam War.
That meant a lot to me, since I got my draft letter between election day, and inauguration day.
Four years later in Nov. 1972 Nixon had not ended the war. But he was reelected with 49 states.
* a bit of history for those of you bitching that the wall isn't finished.
Guess what? In 1884 Reagan was reelected with 49 states.
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In 1968 Richard Nixon ran saying he had a "secret plan," to end the Vietnam War.
That meant a lot to me, since I got my draft letter between election day, and inauguration day.
Four years later in Nov. 1972 Nixon had not ended the war. But he was reelected with 49 states.
While Nixon had not ended the war by the '72 election, he had made tremendous strides towards that goal. Four years of troop reduction while at the same time taking the war to the North (something Johnson never did) brought North Vietnam to the negotiating table. The following year, a peace agreement was signed, and the last US troops were evacuated.
The war was lost two years later when Congressional Democrats refused to honor our part of the agreement to South Vietnam.
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It gave voice to Perot, which cost him the election. He deserved to lose, but did we deserve Clinton?
At least the Republican Congress was able to keep Clinton in check.
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At least the Republican Congress was able to keep Clinton in check.
True dat. People would ask me if I liked even one thing Clinton did, and I always said "Sure, he gave us a Republican House after 40 years of Rat rule."