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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on February 27, 2015, 02:29:51 pm
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http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/uncompromising-reid-still-in-command-115572.html?hp=t2_r (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/uncompromising-reid-still-in-command-115572.html?hp=t2_r)
Uncompromising Reid still in command
‘He is controlling the agenda,’ one Republican senator complains.
By Manu Raju and Burgess Everett
2/27/15 5:50 AM EST
He only controls 46 seats, but Harry Reid is acting like he has 60.
Reid’s uncompromising posture during the flap over homeland security funding and his emerging plans for an upcoming fight over immigration make clear he’s doing little to change the hardball style that defined his tenure as majority leader. This despite losing control of the chamber after last fall’s Democratic debacle and tamping down a coup among centrists seeking his ouster.
The 75-year-old Reid, who may seek reelection next year and is in his second stint as minority leader, is betting that Republicans are so nervous about being blamed for a crisis in Washington — as they have been repeatedly before — that they will capitulate again.
Naturally, his unyielding stance has maddened Republicans.
The new Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell, wanted to initiate a lengthy floor debate on a House-passed Department of Homeland Security funding bill. But Reid surprised Republicans by rallying his caucus on four separate occasions to block the measure from even coming forward — demanding McConnell drop contentious immigration provisions. After a month of inaction in the Senate and up against Friday’s funding deadline, McConnell ultimately bent to Reid’s demands.
As House Republicans have called for formal negotiations on the Senate’s “clean” DHS funding bill, Reid has sent a blunt message across the Capitol: Take it or leave it. Most believe the House will ultimately take it.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/uncompromising-reid-still-in-command-115572.html#ixzz3SxJx3G7H
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The Nov election changed nothing... :thud:
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After a month of inaction in the Senate and up against Friday’s funding deadline, McConnell ultimately bent to Reid’s demands.
Funny how that works. Whether in the minority or the majority, it's always the GOP that concedes to Demonrat demands. Maybe they're just 'stoopid', eh?
The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.
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The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.
Time after time the Republicans teach us that lesson.
Time after time we forget the lesson and rally to give the Democrat-lite party their turn at the trough.
And time after time, the usual suspects arrive at forums like this to criticize us, and tell us the GOP is doing all it can.
I am seriously considering voting Democrat. The sooner they burn the whole thing down, the sooner we can try to rebuild it.
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I am seriously considering voting Democrat. The sooner they burn the whole thing down, the sooner we can try to rebuild it.
Then you are part of the problem and not part of the solution. GFY.
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And time after time, the usual suspects arrive at forums like this to criticize us, and tell us the GOP is doing all it can.
The ones that get hurt the worst are the ones like Bigun, who believes in the party and works hard for it. Those are the people who are being sold-out and I take no pride in being correct for posting that line over and over. The reason I do it is so that, eventually, more and more people wll begin to see the reality of it.
I think people need to understand what they're dealing with before they can do anything about it. Thinking the GOP is the 'stupid party' and can be fixed if we all just work a little harder is what the leadership wants you to think. It hasn't worked and never will.
People need to wake up to the reality of what the GOP really is. We can already see what the Demonrats are. Only with an accurate perspective can new ideas and tactics be effective against the commie/NWO takeover of (not just the U.S.A.) but the whole world. It's a global problem but the U.S. is a major battleground because it is the last superpower to be brought down before a one-world government can be implemented.
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Don't mean to disregard the turn of comments here so far, but I just want to say that it's easy for Reid to be uncompromising given he knows the mainstream media is on his side and will slant any news in a biased and misleading way to help the Democrats.
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Funny how that works. Whether in the minority or the majority, it's always the GOP that concedes to Demonrat demands. Maybe they're just 'stoopid', eh?
The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.
You are very correct!!!! Will someone explain the difference between the RINOGOP and the DEMS other than the DEMS will fight like hell for their agenda and the PUBS will cave in a heartbeat??
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Don't mean to disregard the turn of comments here so far, but I just want to say that it's easy for Reid to be uncompromising given he knows the mainstream media is on his side and will slant any news in a biased and misleading way to help the Democrats.
The way you break that is relatively simple. Republicans (i.e., conservatives) must say what they want to say whenever the media interviews them, regardless of what the question is.
Don't answer the questions, they are designed to lead the discussion in a certain direction. Just say what you want to say. When the media complains that you didn't answer the question, say what you want to say again and mention that the media controls the debate by the way they ask questions.
Keep doing this and the 'media' will implode on themselves...
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Then you are part of the problem and not part of the solution. GFY.
Nice. An open borders type comes in to bash me for my opinion. And I am part of the problem!
:silly:
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Nice. An open borders type comes in to bash me for my opinion. And I am part of the problem!
That's how the game is played, my friend...
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You are very correct!!!! Will someone explain the difference between the RINOGOP and the DEMS other than the DEMS will fight like hell for their agenda and the PUBS will cave in a heartbeat??
Differences are vast. You're either willfully blind or woefully ignorant. I'll let you decide.
There isn't anybody in the Republican Party that would conduct domestic policy in the manner in which it has been handled the past 6+ years.
There isn't anybody in the Republican Party that would nominate an activist judge on the SCOTUS.
There isn't anybody in the Republican Party that thinks we stole everything and rode roughshod over everybody to become the greatest social experiment since the invention of fire. And that the country needs to lower itself among the world's nations to atone for past sins.
There isn't anybody in the Republican Party that thinks keeping people dependent on the government for survival....er, votes, in order to maintain our majority rule.
Geez.......what the hell is going on here? :shrug:
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Geez.......what the hell is going on here?
I guess we are tired of our leaders doing nothing..especially McConnell....So far on just about everything that comes to the Senate, Reid has won the day....
btw...GFU.....come on!
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I am seriously considering voting Democrat.
How about trying this instead: In your next republican primary consider voting for someone who is NOT the one with the most money to spend on slick ads and media! Ask yourself WHY the guy with the most money has all that money?
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I guess we are tired of our leaders doing nothing..especially McConnell....So far on just about everything that comes to the Senate, Reid has won the day....
btw...GFU.....come on!
When a member says they are thinking of voting Democrat? In a Republican forum?
The strategy of the GOP 'leadership'....and I use that term lightly...is that they have seen huge gains in their numbers by simply allowing Obama to 'rule'.
Their attitude seems to be that so far, what they're doing is working, in so much as the American People are getting more and more fed up with Democrats, and they'll show their displeasure in 2016 as they did in the 2010 and 2014 mid-terms.
They seem to think that can undo whatever is done.
Said that I would give them until the new Congress was seated. Not impressed with what's happening
But voting Democrat?
That's like being kicked in the groin, IMO.
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How about trying this instead: In your next republican primary consider voting for someone who is NOT the one with the most money to spend on slick ads and media! Ask yourself WHY the guy with the most money has all that money?
Politics is a sewer.
At the local level D vs. R isn't such a big deal. We had an R mayor for 20 years. He got voted out. When the D came in, they found any number of things the old mayor had been doing that should have landed him in jail. I live in a mid sized town, so this isn't just the D's fabricating and smearing the old guy, the old guy was a dirt ball. In the next mayoral election, I'll vote for the D.
On the national level, whether I vote D, R, I, or for Pat Paulsen, it doesn't matter. I get the same result.
If I get the same result, no matter what, why not give it all to the D's and let everyone see how they burn it to the ground?
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If I get the same result, no matter what, why not give it all to the D's and let everyone see how they burn it to the ground?
Why do you want the entire country as Detroit, Michigan?
What do you think is going to happen even if that should occur? Do you think after you "burn it to the ground", Conservatism will be adopted by the majority?
Got some news for you. Conservatism will be the scapegoat and the target.
You're not only fighting today for a voice. You're actually fighting for your existence. Your life.
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Probably won't accomplish a damned thing except to allow me to vent but I just got done reading the right act to one of John Cornyn's office flunkies!
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When a member says they are thinking of voting Democrat? In a Republican forum?
The strategy of the GOP 'leadership'....and I use that term lightly...is that they have seen huge gains in their numbers by simply allowing Obama to 'rule'.
Their attitude seems to be that so far, what they're doing is working, in so much as the American People are getting more and more fed up with Democrats, and they'll show their displeasure in 2016 as they did in the 2010 and 2014 mid-terms.
They seem to think that can undo whatever is done.
Said that I would give them until the new Congress was seated. Not impressed with what's happening
But voting Democrat?
That's like being kicked in the groin, IMO.
I had great hopes for this Congress after all the promises they made during the election...I should have known better to believe them, my bad!
I think most of us here feel sooo let down we just don't know what to do cause the politicians in DC sure don't listen to us.
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Differences are vast. You're either willfully blind or woefully ignorant. I'll let you decide.
There isn't anybody in the Republican Party that would conduct domestic policy in the manner in which it has been handled the past 6+ years.
There isn't anybody in the Republican Party that would nominate an activist judge on the SCOTUS.
There isn't anybody in the Republican Party that thinks we stole everything and rode roughshod over everybody to become the greatest social experiment since the invention of fire. And that the country needs to lower itself among the world's nations to atone for past sins.
There isn't anybody in the Republican Party that thinks keeping people dependent on the government for survival....er, votes, in order to maintain our majority rule.
Geez.......what the hell is going on here? :shrug:
Not one fact all theory and could have, would have or should have. Name one conservative thing the RINOGOP did that was conservative and Karl Rove is not acceptable
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Why do you want the entire country as Detroit, Michigan?
What do you think is going to happen even if that should occur? Do you think after you "burn it to the ground", Conservatism will be adopted by the majority?
Got some news for you. Conservatism will be the scapegoat and the target.
You're not only fighting today for a voice. You're actually fighting for your existence. Your life.
What I do on a daily basis is fighting for my life. Working, preparing, whatever I chose to do, that is my fight.
The vermin and scum in Washington hate me almost as much as I hate them. I've been engaged, and I've watched. Now, what exactly has gotten better since the last election? What can I hang my hat on as one small shred of evidence that the GOP is committed, or that the party cares about the country half as much as the people on this forum?
The American public is disengaged. They only care about a few things. Give the D's control, let them burn it to the ground, and the public will be forced to take notice, and question the media. If the public doesn't become engaged after the meltdown, there was no hope anyway.
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Politics is a sewer.
At the local level D vs. R isn't such a big deal. We had an R mayor for 20 years. He got voted out. When the D came in, they found any number of things the old mayor had been doing that should have landed him in jail. I live in a mid sized town, so this isn't just the D's fabricating and smearing the old guy, the old guy was a dirt ball. In the next mayoral election, I'll vote for the D.
On the national level, whether I vote D, R, I, or for Pat Paulsen, it doesn't matter. I get the same result.
If I get the same result, no matter what, why not give it all to the D's and let everyone see how they burn it to the ground?
I understand your frustration – we all do, but I just can't agree with your solution.
We're going to have to work within the two-party system to change hearts and minds. I believe there are still enough Americans who understand the country's traditions, history and form of government. We just have to get them to the polling booth to win elections and make a difference.
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I understand your frustration – we all do, but I just can't agree with your solution.
We're going to have to work within the two-party system to change hearts and minds. I believe there are still enough Americans who understand the country's traditions, history and form of government. We just have to get them to the polling booth to win elections and make a difference.
What is it called when you try the same thing over and over and expect a different result?
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What is it called when you try the same thing over and over and expect a different result?
:silly:
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What is it called when you try the same thing over and over and expect a different result?
I believe there are two Americas. Forget the R and D designations – parties are just historical artifacts.
But based on how we live our lives, Americans are either liberal or conservative, or somewhere in between.
I believe the majority of Americans live their lives as conservatives. But many of them don't vote. Those are the folks we have to reach to make a difference.
We're never going to change the minds of people who are hardened into their political camp. But, if we can begin to change how we educate our children, by getting them out of government schools, or, conversely, by getting the government out of our schools, then we can within one generation create tremendous change. Reagan tried to get rid of the Department of Education, though he failed. That should remain our goal.
Look, I was depressed as heck yesterday. But it's time now to focus and keep working towards achieving our shared goal of greater liberty and greater freedom from the social engineers and from federal government control of every aspect of our lives.
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IMHO, any forum member who has reached the point where they are publicly stating that they may vote Democrat, is no different than Bowe Bergdahl.
...and deserves as much respect.
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Come on..let's all not get mad at each other over all this...we are all upset by what has been happening in DC and at a loss of what to do....
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Come on..let's all not get mad at each other over all this...we are all upset by what has been happening in DC and at a loss of what to do....
I'm not mad. Not, in an angry sense, anyways.
A person can express frustration and being upset without outwardly fighting for the other side. That's MY red line.
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IMHO, any forum member who has reached the point where they are publicly stating that they may vote Democrat, is no different than Bowe Bergdahl.
...and deserves as much respect.
Your opinion should be humble, because it has no value.
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IMHO, any forum member who has reached the point where they are publicly stating that they may vote Democrat, is no different than Bowe Bergdahl.
...and deserves as much respect.
If KY would have voted DEM we would not have that weasel, spineless, gutless scumbag McConnell as the Senate leader who CAVES on everything. If KY would have put the DEM in McConnell would be gone and she would have been a ONE termer in KY. He effects the country. She effects only KY for ONE term. Rand Paul supported McConnell and will pay the price. Remember the LIBS and DEMS can be beat BUT the real enemy are the RINOS in every facet of Gov't. NOT at all advocating voting for the LIBS but sometimes you have to pick the FIGHT. Voting DEM in KY was the fight that the RINOGOP won and the country LOST.
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If KY would have voted DEM we would not have that weasel, spineless, gutless scumbag McConnell as the Senate leader who CAVES on everything. If KY would have put the DEM in McConnell would be gone and she would have been a ONE termer in KY. He effects the country. She effects only KY for ONE term. Rand Paul supported McConnell and will pay the price. Remember the LIBS and DEMS can be beat BUT the real enemy are the RINOS in every facet of Gov't. NOT at all advocating voting for the LIBS but sometimes you have to pick the FIGHT. Voting DEM in KY was the fight that the RINOGOP won and the country LOST.
Interesting perspective. Thank you for that. Certainly worth thinking about.
TBR is a much better environment than free Republic. Here we have the time to develop deeper conversations. I enjoy seeing new ideas and well crafted arguments challenging them. What I don't like are personal attacks. I don't think there's a need for them. We are all simply giving our personal opinions made anonymously behind screen names. If we can avoid the pitfall of taking comments personally I think it will help foster an openness to explore the merits of different points of view.
Thank you. And now I return you to your regularly scheduled arguments.
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Rand Paul supported McConnell and will pay the price. Remember the LIBS and DEMS can be beat BUT the real enemy are the RINOS in every facet of Gov't.
No, the real enemy is much higher up the food-chain than that.
The Dems and RINOs merely do their bidding in exchange for a bit of their wealth and power...
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GourmetDan posted (as usual):
[[ The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party. ]]
I've posted this to a couple of other threads, and I'm gonna "do a gourmet" by postin' it again:
The 2014 elections produced a historical first:
The first "Lame Duck Majority Congress" in American history.
Clueless, powerless, befuddled and hopeless before the obama steamroller.
And amazingly, the more his dictatorial grasp grows, the more quickly their ability to influence events shrinks!
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Relic wrote above:
[[ The American public is disengaged. They only care about a few things. Give the D's control, let them burn it to the ground, and the public will be forced to take notice, and question the media. If the public doesn't become engaged after the meltdown, there was no hope anyway. ]]
Say.... didn't some ol' gal named Rand write a book about that?
I am quite embarrassed to admit that as a young man I -did- actually vote for democrats, but like David Horowitz, I had "second thoughts" as I matured.
I will never vote for a 'rat again, ever.
BUT -- I've reached the point where I'm no longer going to automatically support Republican RINO losers.
I tend to agree with your proposition above that the only way an effective opposition to the 'rat party will ever again be built is by watching the Republican party fade into nothingness a la the Cheshire Cat, which it seems to be doing smashingly right now.
It may take a literal "reign of terror" by the democrats for a decade, but at some point there may still be enough "traditional American white folk" left to band together to form an entirely NEW party that will at least try to fight.
There sure as heck ain't no "fightin'" goin' on in Congress right now!
It's a one-sided pushover!
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The 2014 elections produced a historical first:
The first "Lame Duck Majority Congress" in American history.
You certainly have my permission to post that line as many times as you see fit.
I think it is a very apt description...