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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: mystery-ak on January 09, 2019, 10:26:55 pm
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By Victor Morton - The Washington Times - Tuesday, January 8, 2019
Incoming Harvard student David Hogg apparently believes the United States is not a legitimate nation with rights to its territory.
The gun-control advocate responded to President Trump’s speech on illegal immigration and the crisis at the border by implying that the United States is “stolen land.â€
“Reminder: No one is illegal on stolen land #TrumpAddress,†he wrote on Twitter.
Reminder: No one is illegal on stolen land #TrumpAddress
— David Hogg (@davidhogg111) January 9, 2019
The first response from a Twitter user named Kelz was “It’s past your bedtime little one.â€
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/8/david-hogg-responds-donald-trump-address-no-one-il/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/8/david-hogg-responds-donald-trump-address-no-one-il/)
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The first response from a Twitter user named Kelz was “It’s past your bedtime little one.â€
:bigsilly:
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DUmmy doesn't realize that the tribes fought over land back and forth, in effect, stealing it from each other.
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Attention Hogg rears his ugly ass.
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Attention Hogg rears his ugly ass.
The attention AOC is hogging must be killing the wee tyke.
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DUmmy doesn't realize that the tribes fought over land back and forth, in effect, stealing it from each other.
I don't think piggy boy knows much of anything or he would have scored higher than 1200 or so on his SAT. I'm reasonably sure someone is feeding him his talking points. He doesn't have the brain matter to think of them himself.
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Stolen from whom exactly? How many thousands of years do you want to go back to determine the real land thief?
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I'm disappointed. I thought that Hogg was an averagely-intelligent youngster who had just been propagandized. It turns out I was correct about the latter, and wrong on the former.
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By Victor Morton - The Washington Times - Tuesday, January 8, 2019
Incoming Harvard student David Hogg apparently believes the United States is not a legitimate nation with rights to its territory.
The gun-control advocate responded to President Trump’s speech on illegal immigration and the crisis at the border by implying that the United States is “stolen land.â€
“Reminder: No one is illegal on stolen land #TrumpAddress,†he wrote on Twitter.
Reminder: No one is illegal on stolen land #TrumpAddress
— David Hogg (@davidhogg111) January 9, 2019
The first response from a Twitter user named Kelz was “It’s past your bedtime little one.â€
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/8/david-hogg-responds-donald-trump-address-no-one-il/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/8/david-hogg-responds-donald-trump-address-no-one-il/)
More words of wisdom from a future Massachusetts Senator.
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He seems to have the attention span of a gnat. Today's issue: the evil white man's oppression of the noble red man. Tomorrow: how Butterball is abusing innocent turkeys.
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A stunning admission by young Mr. Piggy: I'm legal!
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Maybe he should ask the NAs how they feel about unfettered immigration. It's really astounding that anybody would use this argument, which is terrible on so many levels.
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That boy is the gift that just keeps on giving,ain't he?
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Harvard accepted this deep-thinking publicity whore? The only explanation is the admissions committee must be whores themselves.
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BKMK
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Kinda stupid of him considering he is as "guilty" as the rest of us. If you think it is stolen land, get off it.
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Nobody asked him.
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He seems to have the attention span of a gnat. Today's issue: the evil white man's oppression of the noble red man. Tomorrow: how Butterball is abusing innocent turkeys.
He’s desperate to stay relevant. For a while he was the left’s star. Now they’ve moved on from him and he doesn’t like being yesterday’s has been so expect him to say even more wacky things. He was a short-lived Cindy Sheehan except Cindy Sheehan is a more sympathetic figure who experienced a great, personal loss
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He’s desperate to stay relevant. For a while he was the left’s star. Now they’ve moved on from him and he doesn’t like being yesterday’s has been so expect him to say even more wacky things. He was a short-lived Cindy Sheehan except Cindy Sheehan is a more sympathetic figure who experienced a great, personal loss
@LMAO
Well,his "flash fame" lasted long enough for him to get into Harvard as a student instead of a janitor. It should be interesting to see how long he stays there before those hypocrites give him the boot.
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Well,his "flash fame" lasted long enough for him to get into Harvard as a student instead of a janitor. It should be interesting to see how long he stays there before those hypocrites give him the boot.
Cleaning toilets would constitute honest labor, something this spaghetti armed twerp will never attempt.
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Well since this has-been has chimed in on the border wall does anyone know what Cindy Sheehan has to say on the topic?
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Kinda stupid of him considering he is as "guilty" as the rest of us. If you think it is stolen land, get off it.
I have not noticed a flood of liberals who have shed tears about the "theft" of N. America by Europeans from the Indians chartering planes or boats to go back to Europe or wherever.
But it would be funny to see how all the non-whites would try to survive without Evil Whitey around to set up and maintain the system the non-whites benefit from.
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Cleaning toilets would constitute honest labor, something this spaghetti armed twerp will never attempt.
We should have pity on the boy. Besides, you never know where he'll be frying up the cheeseburgers..
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We should have pity on the boy. Besides, you never know where he'll be frying up the cheeseburgers..
He managed to slip into Hahvahd, but getting through it is a different matter.
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He seems to have the attention span of a gnat. Today's issue: the evil white man's oppression of the noble red man. Tomorrow: how Butterball is abusing innocent turkeys.
Welcome to the religion of leftist intersectionality.
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So taking the assertion that we stole the land, we then give it to the Mexicans, Muslims, and everyone else but the original owners?
Words that sound so clever strung together looks so stupid when given honest critical thought. Classic leftists.
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Now that we have heard from the hogg...how long before the bald headed lesbian Sinead O'connor look-a-like pops up like a whack-a-mole.
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He managed to slip into Hahvahd, but getting through it is a different matter.
@Cyber Liberty
He WILL graduate if he is willing to stick there long enough. There is no way in hell that Harvard is ever going to admit they made a political decision to enroll someone wildly unqualified and not named Kennedy.
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Since the grounds that Harvard occupies was once Indian land, perhaps he should not go there, or insist that it be given back to Elizabeth Warren and her people.
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@Cyber Liberty
He WILL graduate if he is willing to stick there long enough. There is no way in hell that Harvard is ever going to admit they made a political decision to enroll someone wildly unqualified and not named Kennedy.
If they claimed that last great constitutional scholar, y'know, that 'so clean' 'magic' fellow, Hell, they have no shame and will just about graduate anyone they let in the door.
An increasing number of once 'hallowed' educational institutions have completely lost credibility with me, and no doubt, there will be more to come.
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He managed to slip into Hahvahd, but getting through it is a different matter.
If Baraq Obama can get through Harvard, then anyone (except Ted Kennedy) can get through Harvard.
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If Baraq Obama can get through Harvard, then anyone (except Ted Kennedy) can get through Harvard.
@Hoodat
Fat Teddy would have been fine if someone hadn't turned him in for cheating. Probably to the only professor that would make a big deal out of it.
As a result,he had to spend two years in the army as enlisted swine in a MP unit in Germany. Imagine that. A Kennedy serving as enlisted swine. I would almost be willing to bet he never arrested or gave anyone a ticket his entire 2 years of active duty. Or worked nights and weekends.
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So taking the assertion that we stole the land, we then give it to the Mexicans, Muslims, and everyone else but the original owners?
Words that sound so clever strung together looks so stupid when given honest critical thought. Classic leftists.
If we analyzed the history of the world, it consists of hundreds of thousands of instances of some people taking over the land of other people. There is scarcely any country of size in the world that did not have it's early inhabitants conquered by other peoples with the latter becoming the dominant group.
If everybody in the world had to go back to the country where their ancestors came from, we'd probably see half the earth's population or more having to move back somewhere else..
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If we analyzed the history of the world, it consists of hundreds of thousands of instances of some people taking over the land of other people. There is scarcely any country of size in the world that did not have it's early inhabitants conquered by other peoples with the latter becoming the dominant group.
If everybody in the world had to go back to the country where their ancestors came from, we'd probably see half the earth's population or more having to move back somewhere else..
See, there's the problem. Which country they came from? England? Normandy (some left ca 1066), Scandinavia (earlier yet), even farther back to where? We'd all be standing outside The Garden.
Humanity's history is one of exploration, assimilation, conflict, conquest, of seeing who or what is over the next hill, and often enough, moving there. Much of the spread of technology, and indeed the stirring of the gene pool has come from just that.
In terms of culture and the gene pool, humanity doesn't do so well when it stagnates--decadence, classical immorality and perversions seem to rise from that ichor, and with that, the culture is often destroyed by people who aren't encumbered by such cultural liabilities, who have focus on the things which actually strengthen their offspring and their culture. Eventually, they, too, seem to become complacent, distracted by serious diversions from that which is biologically (and morally) fundamental, and either rot in their own cultural ooze, imploding, or are overrun--an eventuality, in any case.
The essence of a Frontier, how it strengthens humanity, is that those on that cutting edge who remain focused on survival first, and development as an adjunct to that, seem less likely to be distracted by the self destructive tendencies of those who live a more complacent existence. It does not mean they always prevail, just that in many ways their culture is more fit to do so. History is littered with the husks of decadent empires which yet managed to destroy those in their path, regardless of the rot within, before finally being overrun themselves or imploding from the fruits of their own decadence.
If we ask what contribution to the survival and development of the species, indeed that subculture of the species, a particular aspect of a culture gives, we find that having matching drapes is nowhere as important as the seemingly drab contribution of agriculture, good hunters or herdsmen, and those who risk life and limb to defend those, all of whom are often held in contempt by the rotting and decadent factions who would rule over them.
Such syndromes are writ, time and again, in the ruins of civilizations great and small, and none but the most vigilant are immune, and then only for so long as they remain vigilant.
But then, Jefferson summed it up "Eternal vigilance is the price of Liberty".
We suffer from two invasions, unfortunately, one from without, the latter day Visigoths are at the gate--only there is no gate, not even a wall. As bad as that is, as easily identifiable, we suffer from the internal and less immediately obvious cultural decay that has been the death knell of many civilizations as well, a pervasive rot that kills from within, that snakes its tendrils into every facet of the lives of ordinary people.
Whatever name is put on it, the basics are the same, with fundamental confusion over what is 'good' for society and what is 'bad' for society, a confusion those who will overrun the culture are not burdened with, a serious weakness that extends from personal mindsets to the collective works of the culture, even undercutting those basic things which would allow the culture to continue.
Those who would invade from without have little such confusion, and to the undiscerning eye, that may seem ruthless or brutal, but it is the reality of nature, that those who are strong will prevail, and that strength is not merely a matter of arms, but that which has the integrity to stand for the things and ideas which allowed the culture to flourish or even prevail in the first place.
Time and again, the seeds of the destruction of empires are inherent in the self-destructive tendencies in human nature: those 'seven deadly sins' ( pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath and sloth) which take root in the leadership of the empire, and even in the populace itself, and despite the ardent efforts of those who resist the moral decay, are eventually imposed on the populace if they have not embraced such.
Without careful attention and limitation those seeds take root, expand their range, and become so deeply rooted in the cultural framework, that they choke out any effort to be productive and consume the resources of those who would try.
It is in our Constitution that the power of government to expand was limited, by checks and balances within the system, by codified Rights of the People to question, limit, and even resist that Government when it was growing beyond its proscribed limits, and by the retention of Rights not so codified by the People and their local (state) governments.
It is apparent to the student of that intent that it has been thwarted over time, increasingly so by those who prey upon a population kept ignorant of those rights, undermining the foundations of the Republic which was instituted to protect them and turning that same government into a mechanism of oppression, first for some, eventually for all.
Either that metastasizing corruption is thwarted, rooted out, and excised, or it will eventually destroy the host.
Whether America can or will, or has the will to remove the rot, teach her children, and get back to those basics is history unwrit, but if the pattern is followed, that of millennia, writ in the ruins of the mighty nations past, this great experiment's days are numbered unless there is a reversion to many of the basic principles that made the country great to begin with.
Hogue's nonsense is a small part of the problem, but the well fertilized minds he casts that seed upon, even more so.
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See, there's the problem. Which country they came from? England? Normandy (some left ca 1066), Scandinavia (earlier yet), even farther back to where? We'd all be standing outside The Garden.
Humanity's history is one of exploration, assimilation, conflict, conquest, of seeing who or what is over the next hill, and often enough, moving there. Much of the spread of technology, and indeed the stirring of the gene pool has come from just that.
In terms of culture and the gene pool, humanity doesn't do so well when it stagnates--decadence, classical immorality and perversions seem to rise from that ichor, and with that, the culture is often destroyed by people who aren't encumbered by such cultural liabilities, who have focus on the things which actually strengthen their offspring and their culture. Eventually, they, too, seem to become complacent, distracted by serious diversions from that which is biologically (and morally) fundamental, and either rot in their own cultural ooze, imploding, or are overrun--an eventuality, in any case.
Let's not forget that all through history the same desire to expand their horizons and create even bigger empires via war ended up eventually bleeding them dry of their "adventurous blood" as their soldiers either bled out in foreign lands,or mated with the local women in foreign lands,and never came "home" again.
In essence,most empires died from suicide via the lust for power and more wealth.
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Let's not forget that all through history the same desire to expand their horizons and create even bigger empires via war ended up eventually bleeding them dry of their "adventurous blood" as their soldiers either bled out in foreign lands,or mated with the local women in foreign lands,and never came "home" again.
In essence,most empires died from suicide via the lust for power and more wealth.
Part of Europe's cultural implosion can be traced to the slaughter of two generations of healthy and bright young men in the two world wars, the extermination of others, and the survival of the 4Fs and feather merchants.
Those who had discovered and used expedients beyond the ordinary pale of peacetime government were wont to relinquish their methods or the power those methods brought. It is one thing to step out of bounds to meet the ends of war, and quite another to step back within the constraints of a peacetime government once those boundaries have been crossed.
The socialist predators who also remained have prevailed to some degree, the survivors and descendants of the competitors for power in pre-WWII Germany who are brutally scavenging the remains of Europe before turning ithe stripped carcass over to an even older enemy, the Muslims.
While many valorous and honorable men survived the World Wars, the overall effect on the population base (gene pool) was devastating, and with subterfuge from within (and influences from the East), the issue remains in question.
That is the unfortunate part of the trend to mimic European models here, In the Post-WWII period. Those models either failed or caused bitter conflict and national devastation, or left critical weaknesses that led to their nation's demise.
When you have THE model to follow, why forsake it for others which have demonstrably failed? Yet that has also been the hallmark of the 20th Century, with increasing abandonment of our Founding concepts for others which have repeatedly failed. We need to get back to basics.
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Part of Europe's cultural implosion can be traced to the slaughter of two generations of healthy and bright young men in the two world wars, the extermination of others, and the survival of the 4Fs and feather merchants.
Those who had discovered and used expedients beyond the ordinary pale of peacetime government were wont to relinquish their methods or the power those methods brought. It is one thing to step out of bounds to meet the ends of war, and quite another to step back within the constraints of a peacetime government once those boundaries have been crossed.
The socialist predators who also remained have prevailed to some degree, the survivors and descendants of the competitors for power in pre-WWII Germany who are brutally scavenging the remains of Europe before turning ithe stripped carcass over to an even older enemy, the Muslims.
While many valorous and honorable men survived the World Wars, the overall effect on the population base (gene pool) was devastating, and with subterfuge from within (and influences from the East), the issue remains in question.
That is the unfortunate part of the trend to mimic European models here, In the Post-WWII period. Those models either failed or caused bitter conflict and national devastation, or left critical weaknesses that led to their nation's demise.
When you have THE model to follow, why forsake it for others which have demonstrably failed? Yet that has also been the hallmark of the 20th Century, with increasing abandonment of our Founding concepts for others which have repeatedly failed. We need to get back to basics.
@Smokin Joe
The part that makes MY head hurt the most is NONE of this stuff is a secret. It's laying right out there in the open for anyone to see that bothers to look,yet either no one looks,or everyone that does is afraid to mention it?
This is about as complex and controversial as the sun coming up in the east,yet nobody in any government anywhere in the world or in any news publication anywhere in the world seems to be aware of it or willing to write about it if they are aware of it.
WTF??????
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@Smokin Joe
The part that makes MY head hurt the most is NONE of this stuff is a secret. It's laying right out there in the open for anyone to see that bothers to look,yet either no one looks,or everyone that does is afraid to mention it?
This is about as complex and controversial as the sun coming up in the east,yet nobody in any government anywhere in the world or in any news publication anywhere in the world seems to be aware of it or willing to write about it if they are aware of it.
WTF??????
It's not that hard, pete. Most of what was left were either genuine heroes or the sort of bureaucratic snakes who learned how to game the system. The heroes have mostly died off. Those in active service comprise a very small fraction of the population, so even with the veterans out there, they are a minority. There is a huge component whose interests seldom go any farther than their wallet. They vote based on what makes them money--or what they think will. The rest, the younger set, don't want to be reminded of their personal deficits. How was it put in Henry V?
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
Few who do not serve will accomplish anything in their lives that will enable them otherwise, and, full knowing they have never faced an enemy in mortal combat, shrink from the idea that they, indeed, "hold their manhoods cheap".
So they devalue in their minds that which they cannot or will never achieve. They try to act as if it makes no difference, or, in the extreme decry as Kipling said:
O makin’ mock o’ uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an’ they’re starvation cheap;
An’ hustlin’ drunken sodgers when they’re goin’ large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin’ in full kit.
And there you have it. Generations of milquetoasts under the lash of the predatory socialists who have decried (for their own self esteem) those who have given them that little Liberty to do so.
What do you expect?
There was a time when the Mayor of London would have been removed from his digs by the mob, tarred and feathered, and tied to a fencerail or thrown in the Thames.
No more.
And damn them all, they have exported that spiritual sickness here.
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@Smokin Joe
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
I will remain convinced until my dying day that Rudyard Kipling was one of the smartest men that ever lived.
And his mention in this context is entirely appropriate as his only child died as an infantry officer in battle during WW-1. He was only 18,and shouldn't even have been accepted by the army due to poor eyesight. In fact,the Royal Navy turned him down because of it.
""It's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"/ But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll (Tommy)"
Above is one of the most profound lines ever written.
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I will remain convinced until my dying day that Rudyard Kipling was one of the smartest men that ever lived.
And his mention in this context is entirely appropriate as his only child died as an infantry officer in battle during WW-1. He was only 18,and shouldn't even have been accepted by the army due to poor eyesight. In fact,the Royal Navy turned him down because of it.
""It's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"/ But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll (Tommy)"
Above is one of the most profound lines ever written.
I have always liked Kipling. He got it, and should be required reading.
The tendency of societies to marginalize those selfsame men who risked all that they would have the liberty to do that marginalizing, has ever been present. They who were not there hold their manhoods cheap, and hate being reminded of that.
There are other ways aside from military service by which one may hold their head high, but will ever be reminded that the dangers or hardships they may have faced pale to those in combat.
For those who lack even that mitigation of their sense of self worth, the feelings of inadequacy, or in some cases, just questioning how they would perform in dire circumstance will ever persist unless they have to face them. They don't know, and are ever intimidated by those who do.
One of the reasons masculinity is being forcibly devalued is that removal of the old playground system of 'sorting things out' bare knuckles has left so many with no way to establish themselves in that instinctive peer group dominance pecking order those conflicts sorted out. Small wonder they now reach for a Glock when they get 'dissed' after years of being denied a less lethal, but effective alternative to 'conflict resolution'. They hunt in packs, like dogs, because they have been denied the opportunity to excel alone.
School shootings were pretty rare in the days of the playground fistfight--the issues were settled in a less than lethal manner, without the 'nuclear option' even considered. Somehow the liberals think that depriving young men and growing boys the means of sorting out dominance in their peer groups will 'civilize' them but that is having the opposite effect.
Anyway, back on topic, Kipling.
My mother, who always placed tremendous emphasis on integrity and literacy, sat me down as a lad and taught me Kipling's "If", and it has been a reminder through my life of what being a man is all about. "Gunga DIn" was a follow up, and I was hooked. I don't think they teach it any more in schools.
He was the only poet I liked more than Poe and Robert Service.
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I have always liked Kipling. He got it, and should be required reading.
@Smokin Joe
I couldn't agree more.
For those who lack even that mitigation of their sense of self worth, the feelings of inadequacy, or in some cases, just questioning how they would perform in dire circumstance will ever persist unless they have to face them. They don't know, and are ever intimidated by those who do.
The irony here is that even if you performed at a Medal of Honor Awardee level the last time you were in combat,that is only a SUGGESTION of how you will perform the next time. Men are men,not machines,and all men have moods and superstitions. The unit I was in while in VN had a rule that anyone could quit anytime they wanted,with no harm done to their career and no shame. The people who did quit,including in one case the Recon Company 1st Sgt,were treated with nothing but respect,and were usually given their choice of non-combatant jobs. In the case of the Recon Company 1st Sgt,it was the stress of sending his friends out on teams that never came back or came back in body bags was what did it to him,not his own personal risk. He was a VERY well-respected man decades later when he finally died of old age. I got back in touch with him in the late 80's and we had a really good telephone "visit".
The thing is that NOBODY can tell when you have reached your breaking point but you,and no man has the standing to criticize another man for recognizing and accepting he has reached his limit.
The only exception to this rule was that once your team had been tasked for a mission and you had been briefed on it. In that case you had to go. Under no circumstances were you to be allowed to let your team down.
My mother, who always placed tremendous emphasis on integrity and literacy, sat me down as a lad and taught me Kipling's "If", and it has been a reminder through my life of what being a man is all about. "Gunga DIn" was a follow up, and I was hooked.
She did you a solid,no doubt about that. The rare woman that knew what being a man was all about,and understood why it was necessary for a male to be a man.
I don't think they teach it any more in schools.
I may be wrong,but IF I remember correctly,he was pretty much demonized and banned from most schools in the 80's when the delicate little flowers discovered "The White Man's Burden".
"Take up the White Man’s burden—
Send forth the best ye breed—
Go send your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need
To wait in heavy harness
On fluttered folk and wild—
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half devil and half child
Take up the White Man’s burden
In patience to abide
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple
An hundred times made plain
To seek another’s profit
And work another’s gain
Take up the White Man’s burden—
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better
The hate of those ye guard—
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah slowly) to the light:
"Why brought ye us from bondage,
“Our loved Egyptian night?â€
Take up the White Man’s burden-
Have done with childish days-
The lightly proffered laurel,
The easy, ungrudged praise.
Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years,
Cold-edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers!"
Source: Rudyard Kipling, “The White Man’s Burden: The United States & The Philippine Islands, 1899.†Rudyard Kipling’s Verse: Definitive Edition (Garden City, New York: Doubleday, 1929).
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@Smokin Joe
I couldn't agree more.
The irony here is that even if you performed at a Medal of Honor Awardee level the last time you were in combat,that is only a SUGGESTION of how you will perform the next time. Men are men,not machines,and all men have moods and superstitions. The unit I was in while in VN had a rule that anyone could quit anytime they wanted,with no harm done to their career and no shame. The people who did quit,including in one case the Recon Company 1st Sgt,were treated with nothing but respect,and were usually given their choice of non-combatant jobs. In the case of the Recon Company 1st Sgt,it was the stress of sending his friends out on teams that never came back or came back in body bags was what did it to him,not his own personal risk. He was a VERY well-respected man decades later when he finally died of old age. I got back in touch with him in the late 80's and we had a really good telephone "visit".
The thing is that NOBODY can tell when you have reached your breaking point but you,and no man has the standing to criticize another man for recognizing and accepting he has reached his limit.
The only exception to this rule was that once your team had been tasked for a mission and you had been briefed on it. In that case you had to go. Under no circumstances were you to be allowed to let your team down.
I was just a firefighter, but yes, there were guys who said "I can't". We had one guy who froze on a ladder during a training exercise--we had to take the ladder down and pry him off it... Below 10 feet he was okay, above that, no way. But we knew it, and he was a good fireman otherwise. No shame, no two people are the same. We just didn't send him up the ladder. I made second Lieutenant in the fire dept, and quickly discovered I liked taking orders more than being responsible for giving them. We never had anyone get killed, I can't imagine what it was like for your 1st Sgt. No shame in him saying he was done, either.
Another of my favorite quotes comes to mind...
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
More words for a man to live by.
She did you a solid,no doubt about that. The rare woman that knew what being a man was all about,and understood why it was necessary for a male to be a man.
Well, she was married to my Father, a man I respect--not just as my Father, but as one of the few heroes in my life--and who is widely respected among those who know him. Mom had someone there who lived the example. She is another of my heroes, a woman whose formal education did not go beyond High School, who was very well read, literate beyond any who hold Bachelor's degrees today, who held forth that being right and being moral was every bit as important as getting things done, who understood and conveyed the concept of Honor, something severely lacking in today's youth.
I may be wrong,but IF I remember correctly,he was pretty much demonized and banned from most schools in the 80's when the delicate little flowers discovered "The White Man's Burden".
"Take up the White Man’s burden—
Send forth the best ye breed—
Go send your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need
To wait in heavy harness
On fluttered folk and wild—
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half devil and half child
Take up the White Man’s burden
In patience to abide
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple
An hundred times made plain
To seek another’s profit
And work another’s gain
Take up the White Man’s burden—
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better
The hate of those ye guard—
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah slowly) to the light:
"Why brought ye us from bondage,
“Our loved Egyptian night?â€
Take up the White Man’s burden-
Have done with childish days-
The lightly proffered laurel,
The easy, ungrudged praise.
Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years,
Cold-edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers!"
Source: Rudyard Kipling, “The White Man’s Burden: The United States & The Philippine Islands, 1899.†Rudyard Kipling’s Verse: Definitive Edition (Garden City, New York: Doubleday, 1929).
yep. Then they went off in different directions with the Maya Angelous and others....all political more than studies of human nature, and English students have ever suffered that loss.
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Well done reflections from Smokin and Sneaky.
Some observations.
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* Mankind's earliest social order was Tribal; enduring to this day in many areas of the world.
* The concept of the nation emerged in Greece and Rome, later flourishing in Europe.
* Our Colonists were primarily English for some 200 years, often acquiring Indian Land via trade.
* The Vatican promoted the Treaty of Westphalia, ending the Thirty Years War in 1648.
* It birthed Sovereign Right, enabling the nation/state having clearly defined borders and a shared cultural identity, to carry out its designated functions on behalf of society.
Someone alert Hogg!!!
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Well done reflections from Smokin and Sneaky.
Some observations.
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* Mankind's earliest social order was Tribal; enduring to this day in many areas of the world.
* The concept of the nation emerged in Greece and Rome, later flourishing in Europe.
* Our Colonists were primarily English, for almost 200 years, often acquired Indian Land via trade.
* The Vatican promoted the Treaty of Westphalia, ending the Thirty Years War in 1648.
* It birthed Sovereign Right, enabling the nation/state having clearly defined borders and a shared
cultural identity, to carry out its designated functions on behalf of society.
Someone alert Hogg!!!
Thank you. My ancestors bought their land grant land (MD colony) from both of the tribes fighting over it. They established clear title, above and beyond the land grant itself, and ended a war in the process.
Young Mr. Hogg needs some history lessons.
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Since the grounds that Harvard occupies was once Indian land, perhaps he should not go there, or insist that it be given back to Elizabeth Warren and her people.
:cool:
Someone should tell little boss hogg that he should be more worried about his stolen valor than anyone's supposedly stolen land.
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So he thinks we should give all of our land back to Mexico and the native Americans?
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Someone should tell little boss hogg that he should be more worried about his stolen valor than anyone's supposedly stolen land.
He's not worried. That would require a conscience.
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So he thinks we should give all of our land back to Mexico and the native Americans?
Mexico NEVER ruled over se USA except for maybe a small part of South Cali. Spain on the other hand ......
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Mexico NEVER ruled over se USA except for maybe a small part of South Cali. Spain on the other hand ......
Texas was held by Mexico, wasn't it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican–American_War
More directly to the point, major onflicts took place in variious regions of the US, and native Ameicans. The biggest was against the Plains Indians, ending in the 1890s.
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Mexico NEVER ruled over se USA except for maybe a small part of South Cali. Spain on the other hand ......
It really doesn't matter either way. His argument is ridiculous. He's suggesting that we don't have a right to our land. This guy is globalist trash.
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Texas was held by Mexico, wasn't it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican–American_War
More directly to the point, major onflicts took place in variious regions of the US, and native Ameicans. The biggest was against the Plains Indians, ending in the 1890s.
Texas, Oklahoma and part of NM were claimed by Mexico, but there was, at most, ~3,000 Mexican citizens in the whole area. To claim that they "held" it is a big exaggeration.
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I have always liked Kipling. He got it, and should be required reading.
The tendency of societies to marginalize those selfsame men who risked all that they would have the liberty to do that marginalizing, has ever been present. They who were not there hold their manhoods cheap, and hate being reminded of that.
There are other ways aside from military service by which one may hold their head high, but will ever be reminded that the dangers or hardships they may have faced pale to those in combat.
For those who lack even that mitigation of their sense of self worth, the feelings of inadequacy, or in some cases, just questioning how they would perform in dire circumstance will ever persist unless they have to face them. They don't know, and are ever intimidated by those who do.
One of the reasons masculinity is being forcibly devalued is that removal of the old playground system of 'sorting things out' bare knuckles has left so many with no way to establish themselves in that instinctive peer group dominance pecking order those conflicts sorted out. Small wonder they now reach for a Glock when they get 'dissed' after years of being denied a less lethal, but effective alternative to 'conflict resolution'. They hunt in packs, like dogs, because they have been denied the opportunity to excel alone.
School shootings were pretty rare in the days of the playground fistfight--the issues were settled in a less than lethal manner, without the 'nuclear option' even considered. Somehow the liberals think that depriving young men and growing boys the means of sorting out dominance in their peer groups will 'civilize' them but that is having the opposite effect.
Anyway, back on topic, Kipling.
My mother, who always placed tremendous emphasis on integrity and literacy, sat me down as a lad and taught me Kipling's "If", and it has been a reminder through my life of what being a man is all about. "Gunga DIn" was a follow up, and I was hooked. I don't think they teach it any more in schools.
He was the only poet I liked more than Poe and Robert Service.
I have taught in Urban, Suburban, and Rural school districts. Frankly the ones I worry about the least are the "good ole redneck boys" None of them are afraid of hard work and getting their hands dirty. They understand the value of things because they had to work to earn them. They also have no trouble at all kicking some @$$ when that is required. While the Prissy boys are playing tennis or golf these kids are either holding down a job or playing on the football team, sometimes both. They maybe a little rough around the edges, but by golly if you need a hand if they haven't already volunteered they will say yes when you ask them. One of the golfers was bragging about his game one time, one of my rednecks replied "Golf is like long distance shooting, only for Pu$$ie$." Shut the other kid up immediately.
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Texas, Oklahoma and part of NM were claimed by Mexico, but there was, at most, ~3,000 Mexican citizens in the whole area. To claim that they "held" it is a big exaggeration.
A small sliver of AZ was later purchased from Mexico (Gadsden Purchase). If we sell it back we can get rid of Tucson and restore AZ's red hue. :pondering:
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A small sliver of AZ was later purchased from Mexico (Gadsden Purchase). If we sell it back we can get rid of Tucson and restore AZ's red hue. :pondering:
@Cyber Liberty
That would be a good plan if Mexico had any money.
I wonder how much they would charge us to take it back?
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verga wrote:
"Frankly the ones I worry about the least are the "good ole redneck boys" None of them are afraid of hard work and getting their hands dirty. They understand the value of things because they had to work to earn them. They also have no trouble at all kicking some @$$ when that is required."
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZbR9Uz1heA#)
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Cyber wrote in #53 above:
"A small sliver of AZ was later purchased from Mexico (Gadsden Purchase). If we sell it back we can get rid of Tucson and restore AZ's red hue."
While we're at it, why not give most of the blue areas of Texas back to Mexico, as well?
They could easily be "chopped off at the bottom", and rid the "red Texans" of a lot of problems!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Texas_Presidential_Election_Results_2016.svg/350px-Texas_Presidential_Election_Results_2016.svg.png)
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Cyber wrote in #53 above:
"A small sliver of AZ was later purchased from Mexico (Gadsden Purchase). If we sell it back we can get rid of Tucson and restore AZ's red hue."
While we're at it, why not give most of the blue areas of Texas back to Mexico, as well?
They could easily be "chopped off at the bottom", and rid the "red Texans" of a lot of problems!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Texas_Presidential_Election_Results_2016.svg/350px-Texas_Presidential_Election_Results_2016.svg.png)
@Fishrrman
The exact opposite of what we need to do because all that would do would be to encourage more illegals to invade and take over the NEW Mexico/Texas border areas.
What we NEED to do,but probably won't,is to kick out ANYBODY that is here or came here illegally. Those that resist should be shot where found as alien invaders.
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Sometimes I think the only reason this Hogg character stays in the limelight is because conservative websites keep him in it
He’s become irrelevant to the left. I think conservatives need to start treating him the same. His 15 minutes have long expired
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Sometimes I think the only reason this Hogg character stays in the limelight is because conservative websites keep him in it
He’s become irrelevant to the left. I think conservatives need to start treating him the same. His 15 minutes have long expired
Maybe AOC will follow his example.
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Maybe AOC will follow his example.
She now has a much large megaphone to bray her nonsense to her adoring idiot constituency and fellow travelers.
She will go down shrieking and screaming...she will never shut up.
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What are sorely absent, are effective-persuasive conservative voices.
Sowell, Friedman, Reagan, Gingrich etc.
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What are sorely absent, are effective-persuasive conservative voices.
Sowell, Friedman, Reagan, Gingrich etc.
@truth_seeker
Even if some of them were still alive,the media would never give them any air time. Just look at how they shut down Newt and chased him out of Congress over BullBush charges for proof of this. He couldn't BUY time on tv or page space in a newspaper for years.
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@truth_seeker
Even if some of them were still alive,the media would never give them any air time. Just look at how they shut down Newt and chased him out of Congress over BullBush charges for proof of this. He couldn't BUY time on tv or page space in a newspaper for years.
My point is the lack of comparable figures today. Last night I listened to Sowell and Friedman. If I posted the videos here, there would likely be little attention or discussion. It would not break through the hourly outrage by #nevertrumps, mirroring every story from the media.
@sneakypete
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My point is the lack of comparable figures today. Last night I listened to Sowell and Friedman. If I posted the videos here, there would likely be little attention or discussion. It would not break through the hourly outrage by #nevertrumps, mirroring every story from the media.
@sneakypete
So the problem is Briefers are too stupid to understand Sowell? That must be why we see so many articles by Victor Davis Hanson posted.
Maybe the problem is many people detest videos, and prefer the written word. Or maybe it's they might disagree with Donald Trump about something and object to being stamped "Never Trumpers?"
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My point is the lack of comparable figures today. Last night I listened to Sowell and Friedman. If I posted the videos here, there would likely be little attention or discussion. It would not break through the hourly outrage by #nevertrumps, mirroring every story from the media.
@sneakypete
I’m a big fan of Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell
By all means post any videos by them
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So the problem is Briefers are too stupid to understand Sowell? That must be why we see so many articles by Victor Davis Hanson posted.
Maybe the problem is many people detest videos, and prefer the written word. Or maybe it's they might disagree with Donald Trump about something and object to being stamped "Never Trumpers?"
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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So the problem is Briefers are too stupid to understand Sowell? That must be why we see so many articles by Victor Davis Hanson posted.
Maybe the problem is many people detest videos, and prefer the written word. Or maybe it's they might disagree with Donald Trump about something and object to being stamped "Never Trumpers?"
:pop41:
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What are sorely absent, are effective-persuasive conservative voices.
Sowell, Friedman, Reagan, Gingrich etc.
Please don't include Noot with those Conservatives. Since you are into videos, check out what Noot has to say about being a progressive:
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjKlxVFHJPs#)
"But I want to say a second about the UN because I'm a big fan of Franklin Roosevelt's. I'm frankly a fan of Woodrow Wilson's and I think what they were trying to accomplish was terribly important."
-Noot Gingrich-
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Also, Sowell despised the Kelo decision. Yet Trump sycophants defend it. Go figure.
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Also, Sowell despised the Kelo decision. Yet Trump sycophants defend it. Go figure.
Do all Trump supporters, also favor Kelo? I do not.
Do all Reagan supporters favor 1986 Amnesty? I do not.
Go figure.
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@truth_seeker
Even if some of them were still alive,the media would never give them any air time. Just look at how they shut down Newt and chased him out of Congress over BullBush charges for proof of this. He couldn't BUY time on tv or page space in a newspaper for years.
Even if some of them were still alive they'd be trashed by certain sectors of the Republican party. Especially if they didn't get "on board" so to speak.
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BKMK
What does that mean? I've seen it before. I don't text on cell phone.
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What does that mean? I've seen it before. I don't text on cell phone.
"Bookmark." When they want to read something later, they'll type that so they can go back under "My Posts" to read the article when they have more time.
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What does that mean? I've seen it before. I don't text on cell phone.
How old are you? 60...70? Do you still own a 3G flip Phone?
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@Fishrrman
The exact opposite of what we need to do because all that would do would be to encourage more illegals to invade and take over the NEW Mexico/Texas border areas.
What we NEED to do,but probably won't,is to kick out ANYBODY that is here or came here illegally. Those that resist should be shot where found as alien invaders.
Correct! Wrong thing to do. LA RAZA...wants 6 if our states as their Azlan. They feel all these states belong to Mexico.
Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, California, Parts of Colorado. The are DOING that by INVADING ILLEGALLY.
S.C. SOTOMAYER and some hispanic judges are members of La Raza and feel the same way.
So, Islamists want to take over the world, and America. Hispanics, Like La Raza, want 6 of our states. NBP..want America to be the New Africa. This should be interesting, when ALL THREE fight each other, although, Blacks and some Hispanics are joining Islam. NBP are NATION OF ISLAM.
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So the problem is Briefers are too stupid to understand Sowell? That must be why we see so many articles by Victor Davis Hanson posted.
Maybe the problem is many people detest videos, and prefer the written word. Or maybe it's they might disagree with Donald Trump about something and object to being stamped "Never Trumpers?"
@Cyber Liberty
I don't watch videos because the new kitten I captured chewed through the speaker wires and I am too cheap right now to buy new speakers. She even chewed most of the way through the main power cord to try to show me how was the boss after I beat her ass for chewing through the speaker cords. Little SOB is QUICK,and impossible for a old beat-up man like me to catch if she doesn't want to get caught.
Not really too upset over the speaker cords,though. I spent WAAAY too much time on you tube watching and listening to videos before she "pulled the cord" for me.
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:pop41:
Move over, this could be good. I brought a bigger bag.
:2popcorn:
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@Cyber Liberty
I don't watch videos because the new kitten I captured chewed through the speaker wires and I am too cheap right now to buy new speakers. She even chewed most of the way through the main power cord to try to show me how was the boss after I beat her ass for chewing through the speaker cords. Little SOB is QUICK,and impossible for a old beat-up man like me to catch if she doesn't want to get caught.
Not really too upset over the speaker cords,though. I spent WAAAY too much time on you tube watching and listening to videos before she "pulled the cord" for me.
Cherish the silence and the kitten that made it possible (necessary).
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The Ghost blew by with:
"Do you still own a 3G flip Phone?"
I've got an old flip phone that I'm not even sure is 3G (Samsung 930?).
It's ALWAYS turned off. Except for once or twice for a few minutes.
Costs me $30 for the whole year.
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Correct! Wrong thing to do. LA RAZA...wants 6 if our states as their Azlan. They feel all these states belong to Mexico.
Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, California, Parts of Colorado. The are DOING that by INVADING ILLEGALLY.
S.C. SOTOMAYER and some hispanic judges are members of La Raza and feel the same way.
So, Islamists want to take over the world, and America. Hispanics, Like La Raza, want 6 of our states. NBP..want America to be the New Africa. This should be interesting, when ALL THREE fight each other, although, Blacks and some Hispanics are joining Islam. NBP are NATION OF ISLAM.
How would you feel, and I'm serious about this, selling the land to a third party, such as Red China, in exchange for forgiveness of debts? We wash our hands clean of it, but the squatters don't get to keep it, either.
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How would you feel, and I'm serious about this, selling the land to a third party, such as Red China, in exchange for forgiveness of debts? We wash our hands clean of it, but the squatters don't get to keep it, either.
I'm against selling any part of America to a foreign power. That's known in military parlance as a beachhead,