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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Silver Pines on September 12, 2017, 02:58:29 pm
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White House: Border wall funding doesn’t have to be tied to DACA legislation
9/12/17
By Jonathan Easley
White House legislative affairs director Marc Short told reporters on Tuesday that President Trump would not demand that border wall funding is tied to a legislative replacement for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.
Speaking at a roundtable event hosted by the Christian Science Monitor, Short said the administration didn’t want to “bind” itself by making a demand that would likely be a nonstarter for many lawmakers.
Read more at:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/350196-white-house-border-wall-funding-doesnt-have-to-be-tied-to-daca (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/350196-white-house-border-wall-funding-doesnt-have-to-be-tied-to-daca)
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White House: Border wall funding doesn’t have to be tied to DACA legislation
9/12/17
By Jonathan Easley
White House legislative affairs director Marc Short told reporters on Tuesday that President Trump would not demand that border wall funding is tied to a legislative replacement for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.
Speaking at a roundtable event hosted by the Christian Science Monitor, Short said the administration didn’t want to “bind” itself by making a demand that would likely be a nonstarter for many lawmakers.
Read more at:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/350196-white-house-border-wall-funding-doesnt-have-to-be-tied-to-daca (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/350196-white-house-border-wall-funding-doesnt-have-to-be-tied-to-daca)
So what is this "border wall" that everyone is talking about?
The White House is the new Delta House, and Trump is Otter.
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The hell it doesn't!
It's absolute idiocy to not to the two together.
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Shouldn't Mexico pay for the damn wall??
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The hell it doesn't!
It's absolute idiocy to not to the two together.
I disagree. One is more do-able than the other and both are important.
And I don't get what the wall has to do with DACA. I think the border can be protected in a lot of ways that don't involve a wall..
Stopping DACA is one of those ways. If it can be made less attractive for people to pull up their roots and come, they will stop doing it.
Make it harder to get jobs, no welfare, no DACA ... a lot fewer illegals.
There are sophisticated methods we could use at the border like drone surveillance, making agents free to use weapons and make arrests.
Trump made people conscious of the need for a wall which had been ignored for many years. Whether we get the wall or not, we can have a virtual wall.
Even as a symbol, the wall has been a good thing.
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I disagree. One is more do-able than the other and both are important.
And I don't get what the wall has to do with DACA. I think the border can be protected in a lot of ways that don't involve a wall..
Stopping DACA is one of those ways. If it can be made less attractive for people to pull up their roots and come, they will stop doing it.
Make it harder to get jobs, no welfare, no DACA ... a lot fewer illegals.
There are sophisticated methods we could use at the border like drone surveillance, making agents free to use weapons and make arrests.
Trump made people conscious of the need for a wall which had been ignored for many years. Whether we get the wall or not, we can have a virtual wall.
Even as a symbol, the wall has been a good thing.
Simply amazing the contortions you have to go through in order to defend the indefensible.
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I disagree. One is more do-able than the other and both are important.
And I don't get what the wall has to do with DACA. I think the border can be protected in a lot of ways that don't involve a wall..
Stopping DACA is one of those ways. If it can be made less attractive for people to pull up their roots and come, they will stop doing it.
Make it harder to get jobs, no welfare, no DACA ... a lot fewer illegals.
There are sophisticated methods we could use at the border like drone surveillance, making agents free to use weapons and make arrests.
Trump made people conscious of the need for a wall which had been ignored for many years. Whether we get the wall or not, we can have a virtual wall.
Even as a symbol, the wall has been a good thing.
@Emjay
A symbol?
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Simply amazing the contortions you have to go through in order to defend the indefensible.
No contortions ... just facts which you seem to be unable to argue with and have to resort to a snide reply.
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@Emjay
A symbol?
Is Trump going to hire Duane Dellacourt to be the new Secretary of Symbolism?
Lol
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Is Trump going to hire Duane Dellacourt to be the new Secretary of Symbolism?
Lol
@Night Hides Not
Might as well. He can get away with not keeping his promises and get support for it.
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Is Trump going to hire Duane Dellacourt to be the new Secretary of Symbolism?
Lol
I don't know who Duane Dellacourt is, but as to my original point about symbolism ... I simply meant that by Trump focusing on a wall to keep illegals out, the Wall became a symbol of our desire to stop the flood of illegal immigration.
I think some form of a wall will be built eventually but maybe only in places where it is most needed and where the natural environment permits it.
Sometimes symbolism works and The Wall was an effective one to get people thinking about stopping illegal immigration.
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I don't know who Duane Dellacourt is, but as to my original point about symbolism ... I simply meant that by Trump focusing on a wall to keep illegals out, the Wall became a symbol of our desire to stop the flood of illegal immigration.
I think some form of a wall will be built eventually but maybe only in places where it is most needed and where the natural environment permits it.
Sometimes symbolism works and The Wall was an effective one to get people thinking about stopping illegal immigration.
More like it was an effective one to get people to vote for him.
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I don't know who Duane Dellacourt is, but as to my original point about symbolism ... I simply meant that by Trump focusing on a wall to keep illegals out, the Wall became a symbol of our desire to stop the flood of illegal immigration.
I think some form of a wall will be built eventually but maybe only in places where it is most needed and where the natural environment permits it.
Sometimes symbolism works and The Wall was an effective one to get people thinking about stopping illegal immigration.
The wall can wait. Border enforcement cannot. Keeping more from coming here and deporting those that break 'other' US laws is the first priority. The mere threat of building the wall has already helped stem that tide of illegals, as well (I believe).
My concern is that nothing is actually BEING DONE legislatively. The GOP is too infiltrated (quite deliberately so) with leftists to get anything done. The rats managed to push ObamaCare thru without ONE Republican vote. Why the hell can't we do the same? Because we have too many Judas's in our ranks....that's why.
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I don't know who Duane Dellacourt is, but as to my original point about symbolism ... I simply meant that by Trump focusing on a wall to keep illegals out, the Wall became a symbol of our desire to stop the flood of illegal immigration.
I think some form of a wall will be built eventually but maybe only in places where it is most needed and where the natural environment permits it.
Sometimes symbolism works and The Wall was an effective one to get people thinking about stopping illegal immigration.
@Emjay
Thought and desire doesn't do much without something to back it up, though.
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The wall can wait. Border enforcement cannot. Keeping more from coming here and deporting those that break 'other' US laws is the first priority. The mere threat of building the wall has already helped stem that tide of illegals, as well (I believe).
My concern is that nothing is actually BEING DONE legislatively. The GOP is too infiltrated (quite deliberately so) with leftists to get anything done. The rats managed to push ObamaCare thru without ONE Republican vote. Why the hell can't we do the same? Because we have too many Judas's in our ranks....that's why.
Exactly. On all counts. And you are right about the threat of The Wall. That's basically what I meant by symbolism.
We have all sorts of symbols that mean things. The American Flag is a symbol and a beloved one. That's why we get irked when it is disrespected.
Even if it's never built, The Wall became a symbol to people that focused our desire to stop illegal immigration.
Prior to the promise of The Wall, we had Obama encouraging illegals for way too many years.
So, I want to thank Trump for promising The Wall. Even if it's never actually built, it's accomplished something ... focusing us on the cost and danger of illegals.
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My concern is that nothing is actually BEING DONE legislatively. The GOP is too infiltrated (quite deliberately so) with leftists to get anything done. The rats managed to push ObamaCare thru without ONE Republican vote. Why the hell can't we do the same? Because we have too many Judas's in our ranks....that's why.
The net result of 'pragmatism'. Better 'our' liberal than a democrat liberal. See how that shakes out?
This is exactly what all those pragmatists voted for.
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The net result of 'pragmatism'. Better 'our' liberal than a democrat liberal. See how that shakes out?
This is exactly what all those pragmatists voted for.
I know you're a NT, but what actual evidence do you have that Trump is liberal? He's done nothing liberal and expressed no interest in doing anything liberal.
You may be judging him on results, which have been foiled by liberal judges and a mealy-mouthed congress.
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Exactly. On all counts. And you are right about the threat of The Wall. That's basically what I meant by symbolism.
We have all sorts of symbols that mean things. The American Flag is a symbol and a beloved one. That's why we get irked when it is disrespected.
Even if it's never built, The Wall became a symbol to people that focused our desire to stop illegal immigration.
Prior to the promise of The Wall, we had Obama encouraging illegals for way too many years.
So, I want to thank Trump for promising The Wall. Even if it's never actually built, it's accomplished something ... focusing us on the cost and danger of illegals.
If I am going to thank Trump for anything right now....it's for resuming the enforcement of border control that Obama and his policies stopped. Upholding at least our current immigration laws is a start, and a good one, toward our recovery. I also approve of his Arpaio pardon.
My concern is.... if that's all there is....
it won't be enough.
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If I am going to thank Trump for anything right now....it's for resuming the enforcement of border control that Obama and his policies stopped. Upholding at least our current immigration laws is a start, and a good one, toward our recovery. I also approve of his Arpaio pardon.
My concern is.... if that's all there is....
it won't be enough.
That's not all there will be... wait and see.
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I know you're a NT, but what actual evidence do you have that Trump is liberal? He's done nothing liberal and expressed no interest in doing anything liberal.
Oh baloney! He's been a card carrying NYC liberal his whole life. I judge the man on his record, like every Conservative should. I haven't seen much of anything Conservative out of him.
You may be judging him on results, which have been foiled by liberal judges and a mealy-mouthed congress.
You fail to consider that he may well be causing that 'foiling' so that he can throw up his hands and then somberly look into the camera and say 'Gee whiz, I tried'.
In the mean time:
A cabinet full of wall street
No wall
Daca (Gang-of-eight amnesty)
Paris agreement merely under renegotiation
TPP under renegotiation.
China is the good guys
Hillary skates
A GIANT raise to the debt ceiling (in collusion with dems)
and Obummer care.
Sounds pretty dang liberal to me.
You can sing his praises till the cows come home, but nothing has changed. Even Gorsuch remains to be seen (Played that game already with Roberts)
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Trump has issued a bunch of executive orders, most of which I like a lot.
• Executive orders I like
• Order reversing multiple Obama-era offshore drilling restrictions, review of limits on drilling locations.
• Order directing a review of national monument designations from prior administrations.
• Order freezing hiring for some federal government workers, excluding the military.
• Orders reviving both the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines.
• Order issuing a five year-ban on officials becoming lobbyists after leaving government work, along with a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.
Order mandating agencies abolish two regulations for every new regulation introduced
Increase of immigration enforcement: President Trump may have had his travel ban blocked multiple times by the courts, but the president has still had an impact on the border through stepping up deportations and increasing immigration enforcement. Since Trump took office, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has reported 35,604 "removals" in January and February of this year, slightly more than former President Obama compared to 35,255 in the first two months of 2017
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No contortions ... just facts which you seem to be unable to argue with and have to resort to a snide reply.
You give propaganda and talking points...there is no logic in your defense of not tying DACA to the Wall funding.
You're trying to give Trump yet another pass on his continued turn to the left.
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Oh baloney! He's been a card carrying NYC liberal his whole life. I judge the man on his record, like every Conservative should. I haven't seen much of anything Conservative out of him.
You fail to consider that he may well be causing that 'foiling' so that he can throw up his hands and then somberly look into the camera and say 'Gee whiz, I tried'.
In the mean time:
A cabinet full of wall street
No wall
Daca (Gang-of-eight amnesty)
Paris agreement merely under renegotiation
TPP under renegotiation.
China is the good guys
Hillary skates
A GIANT raise to the debt ceiling (in collusion with dems)
and Obummer care.
Sounds pretty dang liberal to me.
You can sing his praises till the cows come home, but nothing has changed. Even Gorsuch remains to be seen (Played that game already with Roberts)
Trump has issued a bunch of executive orders, most of which I like a lot.
• Executive orders I like
• Order reversing multiple Obama-era offshore drilling restrictions, review of limits on drilling locations.
• Order directing a review of national monument designations from prior administrations.
• Order freezing hiring for some federal government workers, excluding the military.
• Orders reviving both the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines.
• Order issuing a five year-ban on officials becoming lobbyists after leaving government work, along with a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.
Order mandating agencies abolish two regulations for every new regulation introduced
Increase of immigration enforcement: President Trump may have had his travel ban blocked multiple times by the courts, but the president has still had an impact on the border through stepping up deportations and increasing immigration enforcement. Since Trump took office, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has reported 35,604 "removals" in January and February of this year, slightly more than former President Obama compared to 35,255 in the first two months of 2017
Fine, to be generous you could say he is a centrist. That sure as hell ain't a conservative.
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Trump has issued a bunch of executive orders, most of which I like a lot.
• Executive orders I like
• Order reversing multiple Obama-era offshore drilling restrictions, review of limits on drilling locations.
• Order directing a review of national monument designations from prior administrations.
• Order freezing hiring for some federal government workers, excluding the military.
• Orders reviving both the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines.
• Order issuing a five year-ban on officials becoming lobbyists after leaving government work, along with a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.
Order mandating agencies abolish two regulations for every new regulation introduced
Increase of immigration enforcement: President Trump may have had his travel ban blocked multiple times by the courts, but the president has still had an impact on the border through stepping up deportations and increasing immigration enforcement. Since Trump took office, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has reported 35,604 "removals" in January and February of this year, slightly more than former President Obama compared to 35,255 in the first two months of 2017
You do realize that in reality Executive Orders are ONLY supposed to apply to those working in the Executive Branch right?
Not as a way to bypass the Constitution and Congress as has ben the case in the 20th and 21st Century.
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If the Democrats insist on codifying DACA into law, of course Trump should counter with the wall.
Yes, there are places on the Texas/Mexico border where physical barriers are enough to not need a wall, but why lose this bargaining chip?
Dems want DACA as a law? Give up opposition to the wall.
Seems simple to me.
Yes, critics and supporters alike will say Trump wanted to return Dreamers to wherever they came from, but, frankly, he has been on both sides of that issue.
Personally, I'm not a fan of DACA becoming law, because it will lead to 100% citizenship, next time we have a Democrat controlled White house and congress.
It takes away future generations from feeling like they have to go through the process, just show up and wear'em down.
However, if it builds the wall, might it be worth the trade off?
I don't know, not sure.
Just throwing it out there.
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If the Democrats insist on codifying DACA into law, of course Trump should counter with the wall.
Yes, there are places on the Texas/Mexico border where physical barriers are enough to not need a wall, but why lose this bargaining chip?
Dems want DACA as a law? Give up opposition to the wall.
Seems simple to me.
Yes, critics and supporters alike will say Trump wanted to return Dreamers to wherever they came from, but, frankly, he has been on both sides of that issue.
Personally, I'm not a fan of DACA becoming law, because it will lead to 100% citizenship, next time we have a Democrat controlled White house and congress.
It takes away future generations from feeling like they have to go through the process, just show up and wear'em down.
However, if it builds the wall, might it be worth the trade off?
I don't know, not sure.
Just throwing it out there.
I don't believe that ANY time you reward bad behavior it will turn out well. Giving illegals citizenship based on emotional "those poor kids had no choice in the matter" memes is the very definition of rewarding bad behavior....that of those that brought them here, or had them here while illegally being here. It's a slap in the face of any and everyone that has gone to the time, expense and trouble of the process of legal immigration to the USA, in fact.
Further, the fraud and criminal aspect involved in the DACA program makes me want to say send them ALL back. However, that isn't a logical option, apparently. Nor will the gutless GOP dare to even try....since they're too worried about their own wallet and re-election prospects.
So what to do? How to handle it? I am already preparing myself for the reality that all those "kids" (now adults) will be given citizenship and will be voting Democrat. It's.....
just part of the surreal aspect of living in this ever-changing (fundamentally transforming) nation now.
I don't like it....but I have no power to stop or change it. Voting sure as hell doesn't work.
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So now the wall is just a metaphor, a means of virtue-signaling between Trump and his worshippers, I mean supporters.
Geez. The cult is thick with these ones.
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I don't believe that ANY time you reward bad behavior it will turn out well. Giving illegals citizenship based on emotional "those poor kids had no choice in the matter" memes is the very definition of rewarding bad behavior....that of those that brought them here, or had them here while illegally being here. It's a slap in the face of any and everyone that has gone to the time, expense and trouble of the process of legal immigration to the USA, in fact.
Further, the fraud and criminal aspect involved in the DACA program makes me want to say send them ALL back. However, that isn't a logical option, apparently. Nor will the gutless GOP dare to even try....since they're too worried about their own wallet and re-election prospects.
So what to do? How to handle it? I am already preparing myself for the reality that all those "kids" (now adults) will be given citizenship and will be voting Democrat. It's.....
just part of the surreal aspect of living in this ever-changing (fundamentally transforming) nation now.
I don't like it....but I have no power to stop or change it. Voting sure as hell doesn't work.
I don't think it ends well, either.
Next time a group of people wants to overstay a visa, they'll just wait it out until they get what they want.
Too bad we can't try that with the IRS without going to jail....
If I had my way, no DACA and the wall gets built, but I just don't see that as a reality anymore.
So I would agree and modify my on the fence (wall?) stance...The wall is not worth DACA.
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Trump has issued a bunch of executive orders, most of which I like a lot.
• Executive orders I like
• Order reversing multiple Obama-era offshore drilling restrictions, review of limits on drilling locations.
• Order directing a review of national monument designations from prior administrations.
• Order freezing hiring for some federal government workers, excluding the military.
• Orders reviving both the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines.
• Order issuing a five year-ban on officials becoming lobbyists after leaving government work, along with a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.
Order mandating agencies abolish two regulations for every new regulation introduced
Have you ever seen a van that says 'Free Candy' on the side? EOs are nothing - a wisp, gone with the next presidency (if that long). If a stroke of a pen makes it, then a stroke of a pen takes it away again just as fast. It changes nothing in the long run. It is red meat for a psychophantic fan base, but little more than legislative flatulence.
Increase of immigration enforcement: President Trump may have had his travel ban blocked multiple times by the courts, but the president has still had an impact on the border through stepping up deportations and increasing immigration enforcement. Since Trump took office, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has reported 35,604 "removals" in January and February of this year, slightly more than former President Obama compared to 35,255 in the first two months of 2017
And amnesty will open the floodgates anyway. TENS of MILLIONS.
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So now the wall is just a metaphor, a means of virtue-signaling between Trump and his worshippers, I mean supporters.
Geez. The cult is thick with these ones.
Speaking of thick ...No, of course not.
Trump meant a real wall and his followers expected a real wall.
I didn't because I didn't think it would be feasible given the length and terrain.
What I'm saying is that the wall became a symbol of wanting to stop the flood of illegal aliens.
It focused people on the problem which had been virtually ignored prior to Trump's promise of the wall.
Geeze
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I don't know who Duane Dellacourt is, but as to my original point about symbolism ... I simply meant that by Trump focusing on a wall to keep illegals out, the Wall became a symbol of our desire to stop the flood of illegal immigration.
I think some form of a wall will be built eventually but maybe only in places where it is most needed and where the natural environment permits it.
Sometimes symbolism works and The Wall was an effective one to get people thinking about stopping illegal immigration.
@Emjay , I'm dating myself. Garry Trudeau created the character during the Carter years. He was named the Secretary of Symbolism.
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A Brietbart reporter was on KTRH, a local radio station, on my way to work this morning.
He said (and I've seen this reported before) that for the first part of the year, illegal immigration was down, around a five year or better low.
That was due to Trump's election, fear of deportation, etc
Now, he claims, there is an increase, and he attributed it to a few things:
Illegal aliens aren't afraid of being deported anymore.The deportation numbers are actually around the same amount as Obama's were, according to the Brietbart reporter.
They do not believe a wall will be built.
They figure Trump has talked tough, but nothing has changed much, now this DACA business is headed to Congress, where some sort of law will come out.
We should expect another large increase, if they think that they can get in on that.
Stunning claim, they estimate the amount of illegals in the Houston area is over 600,000.
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I'd keep them together, and use DACA as leverage to extract big concessions.
But of course the GOP won't do that. It's not bipahtisan enough.
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Any illegal immigration is too much, but I had not heard that the figures are back up.
We shouldn't assume anything is true because a reporter says it is.