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Title: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: mystery-ak on August 10, 2022, 12:51:32 pm
 Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
by Kyle Balluck and Olafimihan Oshin - 08/10/22 8:13 AM ET

Former President Trump said he’ll be questioned on Wednesday in the New York attorney general’s investigation into his finances, confirming the deposition in a Truth Social media post.

“In New York City tonight. Seeing racist N.Y.S. Attorney General tomorrow, for a continuation of the greatest Witch Hunt in U.S. history!” Trump wrote. “My great company, and myself, are being attacked from all sides. Banana Republic!”

New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) and her office launched the probe into Trump and his company, the Trump Organization, over allegations that it misstated the value of assets and misled lenders and tax authorities.

James alleges in court filings that investigators found that the company “used fraudulent or misleading asset valuations to obtain a host of economic benefits, including loans, insurance coverage, and tax deductions.” It is also alleged that the size of Trump’s Manhattan-based penthouse was exaggerated.

Trump was initially scheduled to be deposed last month, but the questioning was delayed due to the death of his first wife, Ivana Trump

more
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3595504-trump-says-hell-be-questioned-in-new-york-investigation-into-finances/
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on August 10, 2022, 01:15:18 pm
IMHO, Trump is sending out these notification in hopes that Maga mobs will protest those officials and agencies persecuting him.  He's hoping that Maga mass protests will intimidate them to back off.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: mystery-ak on August 10, 2022, 02:42:04 pm
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Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: bilo on August 10, 2022, 02:48:57 pm
The best thing I've rread about this is Trump followed his attorney's advise and did not answer any questions and instead invoked his 5th Amendment right.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: mystery-ak on August 10, 2022, 02:51:31 pm
Updated 16 mins ago - Politics & Policy
Trump says he invoked Fifth Amendment in N.Y. attorney general deposition
Erin Doherty

   Former President Trump said Wednesday that he refused to answer any questions from New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) in the civil investigation over his business.

Why it matters: The deposition comes as Trump has faced a new level of legal scrutiny and just days after the FBI executed a search warrant at the former president's Mar-a-Lago residence in an unrelated investigation.

What he's saying: "Under the advice of my counsel, ... I declined to answer the questions under the rights and privileges afforded to every citizen under the United States Constitution," Trump said in a post on his Truth Social account.

    "I once asked, 'if you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?" Now I know the answer to that question," he also said.
    "When your family, your company and all the people in your orbit have become the targets of an unfounded, politically motivated Witch Hunt ... you have no choice."

more
https://www.axios.com/2022/08/10/trump-testify-new-york-ag-investigation
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Kamaji on August 10, 2022, 02:54:36 pm
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"I once asked, 'if you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?" Now I know the answer to that question," he also said.   "When your family, your company and all the people in your orbit have become the targets of an unfounded, politically motivated Witch Hunt ... you have no choice."

:bingo:

Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 10, 2022, 02:57:21 pm
"As my father sits for a deposition in front of the most corrupt Attorney General in the United States (Letitia James), I want to remind everyone  exactly who this evil woman is… "  (Video)


https://mobile.twitter.com/EricTrump/status/1557341592515747841
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 10, 2022, 02:59:30 pm
IMHO, Trump is sending out these notification in hopes that Maga mobs will protest those officials and agencies persecuting him.  He's hoping that Maga mass protests will intimidate them to back off.

Or, he's simply explaining why he took the fifth.   -----   :shrug:



Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on August 10, 2022, 03:10:11 pm
IMHO, Trump took the 5th Amendment because that is his Constitutional right.  That's the simplest explanation.

IMHO, most of Trump's text is personal disparagement of a public official designed to illicit a mass response against her and her office.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 10, 2022, 03:31:41 pm
IMHO, Trump took the 5th Amendment because that is his Constitutional right.  That's the simplest explanation.

IMHO, most of Trump's text is personal disparagement of a public official designed to illicit a mass response against her and her office.

I thought Rinos were supposed to be the smart wing of the GOP @DefiantMassRINO  ---- and not spotlight their Bidenite stripes, at least not in public.   888mouth
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on August 10, 2022, 03:58:00 pm
Insulting me is a deflection from the validity of my opinion.

The first 7 paragraphs or stanzas were dedicated to disparaging a public official and her office.

Only one sentence, the last, mentioned that Trump exercised his 5th Amendment Constitutional right.

The last sentence was the predicate for releasing a press release to disparage a public official and her office.

Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: catfish1957 on August 10, 2022, 04:01:11 pm
At some point there is a level of harrassment that demands return retribution.

I hope the perps pay 10 fold.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 10, 2022, 04:30:54 pm
Insulting me is a deflection from the validity of my opinion.

I'm not insulting you @DefiantMassRINO   --- and am surprised you think this.

I am simply connecting what you have shared:   You're a proud, self-identified "RINO" reposting talking points from the RINO wing, aka "assistant Bidenites". 

In my educated opinion, yours lacks validity.     Nothing personal.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 10, 2022, 04:40:43 pm
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UPDATE: New York State Attorney General tests positive for apoplexy.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Kamaji on August 10, 2022, 07:57:09 pm
IMHO, Trump took the 5th Amendment because that is his Constitutional right.  That's the simplest explanation.

IMHO, most of Trump's text is personal disparagement of a public official designed to illicit a mass response against her and her office.

Oh dearie me.  Let me go find my pearls.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 10, 2022, 09:36:14 pm
The best thing I've rread about this is Trump followed his attorney's advise and did not answer any questions and instead invoked his 5th Amendment right.

Halleluiah!  Finally, Trump does something right.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 10, 2022, 11:49:19 pm
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Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: jafo2010 on August 11, 2022, 12:23:30 am
These morons impress who exactly?

 :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: bilo on August 11, 2022, 01:42:02 am
Halleluiah!  Finally, Trump does something right.

I've always worried that if he was in a court, or at a deposition, he would talk. It's the worst thing an innocent man can do. Attorneys make their living manipulating words and if Trump starts arguing with them he will end up walking right into a trap.

We are truly fortunate in this country that we do not have to answer questions if we don't want to, especially now that we've seen how corrupt the justice system in this country has become.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 11, 2022, 02:12:13 am
"Trump has suggested on many occasions that people who invoke their right against self-incrimination are guilty. “You see the mob takes the Fifth,” Trump said during a 2016 rally in Iowa. “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"

So Trump is guilty by his own reasoning, right?

Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Kamaji on August 11, 2022, 02:13:41 am
"Trump has suggested on many occasions that people who invoke their right against self-incrimination are guilty. “You see the mob takes the Fifth,” Trump said during a 2016 rally in Iowa. “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"

So Trump is guilty by his own reasoning, right?



He’s now changed his tune, and admitted as much. 
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: bilo on August 11, 2022, 03:22:19 am
"Trump has suggested on many occasions that people who invoke their right against self-incrimination are guilty. “You see the mob takes the Fifth,” Trump said during a 2016 rally in Iowa. “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"

So Trump is guilty by his own reasoning, right?

The vast majority of people assume that if someone invokes their 5th Amendment right that they are guilty. They are wrong.

So now that it has been established that Trump was wrong, but smart enough to listen to his attorney's can we assume you will be a big Trump supporter? After all it takes a big man to admit when they were wrong and change their attitude.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: verga on August 11, 2022, 11:38:49 am
A smart man listens to his attorneys.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 11, 2022, 02:46:11 pm
IMHO, Trump is sending out these notification in hopes that Maga mobs will protest those officials and agencies persecuting him.  He's hoping that Maga mass protests will intimidate them to back off.

In New York?  Yeah, right.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: GtHawk on August 11, 2022, 03:38:33 pm
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Maybe Trump should have just repeated 'I don't recall', that seemed to work well for Hillary when she was questioned about a little debacle that got Americans killed and the socialist press was just fine. But invoke your constitutional right at a kangaroo court fishing expedition and it's suddenly OMG!
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 11, 2022, 04:27:11 pm
He’s now changed his tune, and admitted as much.
Yeah, he's changed his tune. But since it's Trump, that's perfectly fine, right?
What if this were Hillary Rotten Clinton, Obama, or Biden who did what he did concerning the fifth? What would you be saying then?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 11, 2022, 04:28:12 pm
The vast majority of people assume that if someone invokes their 5th Amendment right that they are guilty. They are wrong.

So now that it has been established that Trump was wrong, but smart enough to listen to his attorney's can we assume you will be a big Trump supporter? After all it takes a big man to admit when they were wrong and change their attitude.
So he was lying six years ago when he was slamming people who took the fifth and the crowds were cheering him?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 11, 2022, 04:29:33 pm
Maybe Trump should have just repeated 'I don't recall', that seemed to work well for Hillary when she was questioned about a little debacle that got Americans killed and the socialist press was just fine. But invoke your constitutional right at a kangaroo court fishing expedition and it's suddenly OMG!
So Trump was lying six years ago when he said people who took the fifth were guilty?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: catfish1957 on August 11, 2022, 04:41:44 pm
So Trump was lying six years ago when he said people who took the fifth were guilty?

If I asked you point blank, what were doing September 7, 2019 at 3:57 p.m. how would you answer?

Fishing like this is an infamous tactic of the criminal FBI and the DOJ.

The state of our federal law enforcement reminds me of a very iconic and funny point during the show "Breaking Bad"

(https://thoughtcatalog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/screen-shot-2013-11-07-at-2-40-32-pm.png)

'You don't want a criminal lawyer... you want a "criminal" lawyer,'
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 11, 2022, 04:52:58 pm
What if this were Hillary Rotten Clinton, Obama, or Biden who did what he did concerning the fifth? What would you be saying then?

I would be saying that is good advice.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 11, 2022, 04:54:39 pm
So Trump was lying six years ago when he said people who took the fifth were guilty?

Did Trump actually say that?  Or are you simply projecting that on him in order to produce a false account of what he actually said just like Democrats do?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 11, 2022, 04:59:23 pm
So he was lying six years ago when he was slamming people who took the fifth and the crowds were cheering him?

Who did he slam for taking the fifth?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 11, 2022, 05:00:29 pm
So he was lying six years ago when he was slamming people who took the fifth and the crowds were cheering him?

When was this @goatprairie ??
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2022, 05:00:53 pm
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It is also alleged that the size of Trump’s Manhattan-based penthouse was exaggerated.

Since when is exaggerating the size of something a crime?

If it is,ALL men are going to be indicted.

Not ME,of course,but normal men. I would never lie about a thing like that.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2022, 05:02:57 pm
IMHO, Trump is sending out these notification in hopes that Maga mobs will protest those officials and agencies persecuting him.  He's hoping that Maga mass protests will intimidate them to back off.

@DefiantMassRINO

BullBush!

Are you seriously claiming Trump  doesn't like attention?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 11, 2022, 05:05:00 pm
So Trump was lying six years ago when he said people who took the fifth were guilty?

Quote
DJT:  I once asked "If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"  Now I know the answer to that question.

But no worries @goatprairie   ----- you got him now.   88devil
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2022, 05:12:42 pm
Insulting me is a deflection from the validity of my opinion.

 

@DefiantMassRINO

That right  there is sum funny stuff!
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2022, 05:14:58 pm
These morons impress who exactly?

 :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

@jafo2010

Morons that are RINO's or Dims. But,I repeat myself. ALL RINO's and Dims are morons. It's an actual requirement.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2022, 05:18:24 pm
Yeah, he's changed his tune. But since it's Trump, that's perfectly fine, right?
What if this were Hillary Rotten Clinton, Obama, or Biden who did what he did concerning the fifth? What would you be saying then?

@goatprairie

Ahhh,class envy!

Never a pretty thing,especially when put on exhibit by someone who actually thinks they are a conservative because they lack imagination.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 11, 2022, 05:19:55 pm
Since @goatprairie doesn't seem to have any answers for us, I would like to review the statement that Trump made at an Iowa campaign rally in 2016:

“So there are five people taking the Fifth Amendment. Like you see on the mob, right? You see the mob takes the Fifth. If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

To put this into context, the five people he was referring to were all Hillary Clinton staffers.  They were not subjects of the investigation.  They weren't being questioned for their own guilt, but were simply witnesses to what Hillary had done.  So they legitimately had no reason to plead the fifth because Amendment V protects against self-incrimination only.  So clearly, they were fearful of testifying against Hillary, just as a mob member would be afraid to testify against a mob leader. 

That is the context of Trump's statement.  So in the future, can we refrain from posting DU bullshit on this board?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2022, 05:20:06 pm
So he was lying six years ago when he was slamming people who took the fifth and the crowds were cheering him?

@goatprairi

No,you moron,he was just wrong due to lack of experience.

BTW,which moron do you support in 2024?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Kamaji on August 11, 2022, 05:20:46 pm
Yeah, he's changed his tune. But since it's Trump, that's perfectly fine, right?
What if this were Hillary Rotten Clinton, Obama, or Biden who did what he did concerning the fifth? What would you be saying then?

I would be saying that that's his/her/its right.  I wouldn't assume they were guilty because they were invoking their right to silence; I would assume they were guilty because of what they'd done.  Hillary was pretty clearly guilty of mishandling classified information with her homebrew email server, and Comey's "excuse" for her - she didn't have the correct state of mind - was an obvious misstatement of the relevant law on state of mind requirements.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2022, 05:50:00 pm
:bingo:

@Kamaji

Bingo!,indeed!

No knife is sharper than the one that cuts YOU.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2022, 05:51:50 pm
IMHO, Trump took the 5th Amendment because that is his Constitutional right.  That's the simplest explanation.

IMHO, most of Trump's text is personal disparagement of a public official designed to illicit a mass response against her and her office.

@DefiantMassRINO

In other words,you want another "Bush" in the White House instead of a conservative.

Don't be a wuss,NAME Him!
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2022, 05:53:18 pm
I thought Rinos were supposed to be the smart wing of the GOP 

@Right_in_Virginia

Why would you have ever thought that? It was the RINO's,working with their Dim communist brothers,that got us into the mess we are in now.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on August 11, 2022, 05:55:41 pm
I'm hoping Ron DeSantis will run in 2024.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2022, 05:57:07 pm
I've always worried that if he was in a court, or at a deposition, he would talk. It's the worst thing an innocent man can do. Attorneys make their living manipulating words and if Trump starts arguing with them he will end up walking right into a trap.

We are truly fortunate in this country that we do not have to answer questions if we don't want to, especially now that we've seen how corrupt the justice system in this country has become.

@bilo

Even *I* am smarter than that. Went to traffic court recently,and was smart enough to get my ex to go along with me and do all the talking for me by telling them I was too deaf to understand their questions.

And the funny part is that it was and is true.

Who says being damn near deaf is a bad thing?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2022, 05:58:15 pm
"Trump has suggested on many occasions that people who invoke their right against self-incrimination are guilty. “You see the mob takes the Fifth,” Trump said during a 2016 rally in Iowa. “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"

So Trump is guilty by his own reasoning, right?

@goatprairie

Trump is in your head while you lay sleeping,isn't he?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2022, 06:00:02 pm
So he was lying six years ago when he was slamming people who took the fifth and the crowds were cheering him?

@goatprairie

What do your good friends at the Huffington Post have to say about this?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2022, 06:01:27 pm
If I asked you point blank, what were doing September 7, 2019 at 3:57 p.m. how would you answer?

Fishing like this is an infamous tactic of the criminal FBI and the DOJ.

The state of our federal law enforcement reminds me of a very iconic and funny point during the show "Breaking Bad"

(https://thoughtcatalog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/screen-shot-2013-11-07-at-2-40-32-pm.png)

'You don't want a criminal lawyer... you want a "criminal" lawyer,'

@catfish1957

LOVED that show!

The transformation of Walter that started with episode 1 has to be seen to be believed.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: verga on August 11, 2022, 06:03:28 pm
@goatprairie

Trump is in your head while you lay sleeping,isn't he?
Once again, it's sa good thing I was not drinking when I read this post.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2022, 06:04:23 pm
I'm hoping Ron DeSantis will run in 2024.

@DefiantMassRINO

Good answer,but I am not sure I believe you,or that DeSantis would want you for a supporter.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 11, 2022, 06:05:08 pm
Once again, it's sa good thing I was not drinking when I read this post.

 88devil
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on August 11, 2022, 06:11:56 pm
I'll let Ron DeSantis speak for himself.

My vote and my money is just as good as anyone else's.

Since I'm being challenged on my conservative street cred, I voted for Pat Buchanan in the 1992 Republican Primaries.  Is that conservative enough for you?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2022, 06:13:53 pm
Duhhhh!

Ain't that kinda the whole purpose of this dog and pony show?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Kamaji on August 11, 2022, 06:14:40 pm
So he was lying six years ago when he was slamming people who took the fifth and the crowds were cheering him?

More likely, he was making the same common misconception about the 5th Amendment rights that a lot of people make.  He has now seen the error of that misconception.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2022, 06:15:46 pm
I'll let Ron DeSantis speak for himself.

My vote and my money is just as good as anyone else's.

Since I'm being challenged on my conservative street cred, I voted for Pat Buchanan in the 1992 Republican Primaries.  Is that conservative enough for you?

@DefiantMassRINO

No. He was and is nothing less than a clown.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 11, 2022, 06:18:56 pm
@Right_in_Virginia

Why would you have ever thought that? It was the RINO's,working with their Dim communist brothers,that got us into the mess we are in now.

Oops..... forgot to add the sarcasm tag @sneakypete    :laugh:
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2022, 07:12:53 pm
Oops..... forgot to add the sarcasm tag @sneakypete    :laugh:

@Right_in_Virginia

My apologies. Should have been added right after the "Hooda thunk it?"
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: catfish1957 on August 11, 2022, 07:16:48 pm
I'll let Ron DeSantis speak for himself.



My support was for DeSantis until this week.  What happened at Marlago has galvanized the fact the swamp has to be torched, and bleached.    Apparently only one man has the stomach for that.

As much as I admire DeSantis, and hope he eventually becomes POTUS,  we are now at war.  I am not a 100% sure DeSantis, or Cotton for that matter will go squishy when it becomes crunch time.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: verga on August 11, 2022, 07:35:53 pm
My support was for DeSantis until this week.  What happened at Marlago has galvanized the fact the swamp has to be torched, and bleached.    Apparently only one man has the stomach for that.

As much as I admire DeSantis, and hope he eventually becomes POTUS,  we are now at war.  I am not a 100% sure DeSantis, or Cotton for that matter will go squishy when it becomes crunch time.
@catfish1957 What did DeSantis do or not do, that you no longer support him? He has no control over the FBI.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: catfish1957 on August 11, 2022, 07:43:32 pm
@catfish1957 What did DeSantis do or not do, that you no longer support him? He has no control over the FBI.

It's not what he (DeSantis) did or not did, it was the earthquake and scorched earth approach that the deep state is taking to not lose control this week

I will support DeSantis  in 2028, and if I am lucky to live that long 2032.

What has just happened in Marlago is a culmination of the fear that the swamp (long, wide, and deep) is so corrupt and entrenched, that the perps (which included GOP) are fearful of finally being exposed to the true level of corruption that is destroying us.

Right now,  those tier II candidates including DeSantis, Cotton, Cruz, Noem have not proven they have the gumption to lead us into what has evidently become a political war.

Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2022, 08:06:51 pm
My support was for DeSantis until this week.  What happened at Marlago has galvanized the fact the swamp has to be torched, and bleached.    Apparently only one man has the stomach for that.

As much as I admire DeSantis, and hope he eventually becomes POTUS,  we are now at war.  I am not a 100% sure DeSantis, or Cotton for that matter will go squishy when it becomes crunch time.

@catfish1957

I freely admit to actually knowing next to nothing about DeSantis or his stands on anything,but given what I have read about some of the things he has done,I suspect he would make an excellent VP running mate for Trump.

I also admit that one of the reasons I tend to favor him is his relative youth. I think it is past time some of the geezers in DC go into retirement.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2022, 08:09:59 pm
It's not what he (DeSantis) did or not did, it was the earthquake and scorched earth approach that the deep state is taking to not lose control this week

I will support DeSantis  in 2028, and if I am lucky to live that long 2032.

What has just happened in Marlago is a culmination of the fear that the swamp (long, wide, and deep) is so corrupt and entrenched, that the perps (which included GOP) are fearful of finally being exposed to the true level of corruption that is destroying us.

Right now,  those tier II candidates including DeSantis, Cotton, Cruz, Noem have not proven they have the gumption to lead us into what has evidently become a political war.

@catfish1957

I honestly don't think the real damage some of these traitors have done to America will be exposed to the public during my life time because it might cause so much damage to public trust that it would lead to anarchy.

Some things just need some time to "age" before they are made public knowledge.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2022, 08:12:23 pm
It's not what he (DeSantis) did or not did, it was the earthquake and scorched earth approach that the deep state is taking to not lose control this week

I will support DeSantis  in 2028, and if I am lucky to live that long 2032.

What has just happened in Marlago is a culmination of the fear that the swamp (long, wide, and deep) is so corrupt and entrenched, that the perps (which included GOP) are fearful of finally being exposed to the true level of corruption that is destroying us.

Right now,  those tier II candidates including DeSantis, Cotton, Cruz, Noem have not proven they have the gumption to lead us into what has evidently become a political war.

@catfish1957

I just don't trust Cruz,and never will. I'm not happy about it,either. I consider him to probably be one of the smartest men in Pro Politics. Maybe even THE smartest.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: GtHawk on August 11, 2022, 08:57:51 pm
More likely, he was making the same common misconception about the 5th Amendment rights that a lot of people make.  He has now seen the error of that misconception.
And if the person in question wasn't so biased or hateful of Trump they would have acknowledged that Trump explained his reason for changing his opinion, which I would bet dollars to donuts they read but get off on stirring the pot.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 11, 2022, 09:05:41 pm
And if the person in question wasn't so biased or hateful of Trump they would have acknowledged that Trump explained his reason for changing his opinion, which I would bet dollars to donuts they read but get off on stirring the pot.

Trump had a change of heart once he realized all the details of his legal proceedings were being illegally leaked to the Jan 6 committee.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: bilo on August 11, 2022, 09:37:25 pm
I'm hoping Ron DeSantis will run in 2024.

Only if Trump doesn't.

I don't want to see the top two America First candidates splitting the base.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: bilo on August 11, 2022, 09:43:56 pm
More likely, he was making the same common misconception about the 5th Amendment rights that a lot of people make.  He has now seen the error of that misconception.

Perfect response!

It can't be said enough the 5th Amendment protects the innocent. Attorneys are very adept at manipulating words and in the process making the innocent seem guilty.

A good example would be an attorney reading a transcript where a girl was actually being seductive when she was saying no to a man's advances, but in reading the transcript it appears she was clearly saying NO! to any advances.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 11, 2022, 10:15:53 pm
My support was for DeSantis until this week.  What happened at Marlago has galvanized the fact the swamp has to be torched, and bleached.    Apparently only one man has the stomach for that.

As much as I admire DeSantis, and hope he eventually becomes POTUS,  we are now at war.  I am not a 100% sure DeSantis, or Cotton for that matter will go squishy when it becomes crunch time.

All we know about DeSantis is he's a Trump wannabe who operates well when surrounded by the fortune of a solidly aligned legislature.   We don't know if he is a warrior  -----  or another career politician primed for swamp absorption.

Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 11, 2022, 10:18:16 pm
Perfect response!

It can't be said enough the 5th Amendment protects the innocent. Attorneys are very adept at manipulating words and in the process making the innocent seem guilty.

Depositions are given under oath.  The enemy was prodding for a process crime.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 11, 2022, 10:23:44 pm
@goatprairie

Trump is in your head while you lay sleeping,isn't he?
Only when I'm sitting on the throne.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 11, 2022, 10:24:09 pm
I'm hoping Ron DeSantis will run in 2024.
:yowsa:
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: libertybele on August 11, 2022, 10:26:14 pm
All we know about DeSantis is he's a Trump wannabe who operates well when surrounded by the fortune of a solidly aligned legislature.   We don't know if he is a warrior  -----  or another career politician primed for swamp absorption.

You are correct, he has been very fortunate to have a majority in both Houses, but he has also taken full advantage of that.  He has made some pretty bold moves and decisions.  I don't consider him a Trump wannabe, I consider him a conservative governor doing his job.

The liberals around here don't like him and blame the rising prices at the pump and in the stores on him (yes, I'm serious).  So in that aspect, I see that liberals not liking him as a positive.

He has commented that he has no plans to run in '24.  It's the media that's mostly pushing that idea.  He has a young family and he may not want to put them through the leftist mudslinging.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 11, 2022, 10:26:45 pm
If I asked you point blank, what were doing September 7, 2019 at 3:57 p.m. how would you answer?

Fishing like this is an infamous tactic of the criminal FBI and the DOJ.

The state of our federal law enforcement reminds me of a very iconic and funny point during the show "Breaking Bad"

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'You don't want a criminal lawyer... you want a "criminal" lawyer,'
Now just be honest...what if this were HRC, Biden, Obama, or any of number of Dem pols who said what Trump said six years ago and then took the fifth when put on the stand?
You be laughing hysterically  and ripping them a new one, wouldn't you?
But since it's Trump you give him a pass.
Why?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 11, 2022, 10:29:03 pm
I would be saying that is good advice.
No you wouldn't...you'd be laughing at them and ripping them a new one. You'd be calling them cowards and guilty for not answering questions.
You probably applauded Trump six years ago when he said only guilty people took the fifth.
But now that Trump did it, IT'S DIFFERENT!!!!!!!!!
But it ain't different. It's Trump doing it. Now the goalposts have been moved for Trump.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 11, 2022, 10:30:09 pm
Did Trump actually say that?  Or are you simply projecting that on him in order to produce a false account of what he actually said just like Democrats do?
Videos are available. Check them out.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 11, 2022, 10:31:02 pm
But no worries @goatprairie   ----- you got him now.   88devil
Trump has slipped out of too many similar situations to say that. But there's always hope.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 11, 2022, 10:32:55 pm
You are correct, he has been very fortunate to have a majority in both Houses, but he has also taken full advantage of that.  He has made some pretty bold moves and decisions. 

DeSantis has taken no risk beyond the safety net of his legisature.  I'm not convinced this meets the definition of "bold"  ---  "bold" requires battle scars.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 11, 2022, 10:36:48 pm
Since @goatprairie doesn't seem to have any answers for us, I would like to review the statement that Trump made at an Iowa campaign rally in 2016:

“So there are five people taking the Fifth Amendment. Like you see on the mob, right? You see the mob takes the Fifth. If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

To put this into context, the five people he was referring to were all Hillary Clinton staffers.  They were not subjects of the investigation.  They weren't being questioned for their own guilt, but were simply witnesses to what Hillary had done.  So they legitimately had no reason to plead the fifth because Amendment V protects against self-incrimination only.  So clearly, they were fearful of testifying against Hillary, just as a mob member would be afraid to testify against a mob leader. 

That is the context of Trump's statement.  So in the future, can we refrain from posting DU bullshit on this board?
I don't have any answers for you????!!! :facepalm2:
Six years ago Trump made a public statement available on video that people who took the fifth were most likely guilty or why would they take the fifth?
Now Trump takes the fifth, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT FOR TRUMP!!!!
Stop with the hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 11, 2022, 10:37:58 pm
Trump has slipped out of too many similar situations to say that. But there's always hope.

Thanks for the preview of the Biden regime's next taking point.  Who says it isn't helpful to have someone on the inside?   :laugh:
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 11, 2022, 10:41:33 pm
Thanks for the preview of the Biden regime's next taking point.  Who says it isn't helpful to have someone on the inside?   :laugh:
As awful as Biden's presidency has been so far, he beats Trump in the polls. What does that tell you about Trump's chances?
He's got the base, but that's about it.
 DeSantis is not tainted like Trump. Let's get behind a winner who won't shoot himself in the foot and turn off people needlessly.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: libertybele on August 11, 2022, 10:44:00 pm
As awful as Biden's presidency has been so far, he beats Trump in the polls. What does that tell you about Trump's chances?
He's got the base, but that's about it.
 DeSantis is not tainted like Trump. Let's get behind a winner who won't shoot himself in the foot and turn off people needlessly.

???? .... and you believe in polls why???  Next, you'll be telling me that the election wasn't stolen.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 11, 2022, 10:51:23 pm
???? .... and you believe in polls why???  Next, you'll be telling me that the election wasn't stolen.  :shrug:
Polls accurately predicted Trump in range for beating Clinton in 2016. They also accurately predicted him getting beat by Biden in 2020.
Pollsters who are regularly off in their predictions don't get hired. Their business relies on them being accurate.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: libertybele on August 11, 2022, 10:51:38 pm
DeSantis has taken no risk beyond the safety net of his legisature.  I'm not convinced this meets the definition of "bold"  ---  "bold" requires battle scars.

I'll give you that one.  My concern is that they MSM is promoting the idea that DeSantis is going to run in '24. If Trump runs and DeSantis decides to run it will split the GOP in half and hand the election over to the DEMS  (provided that there's even going to be an election which I am doubtful).

Selfishly I want DeSantis to stay on as governor.  I also am hoping that Trump will run again, but I'm not counting on it.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 11, 2022, 10:58:31 pm
No you wouldn't...you'd be laughing at them and ripping them a new one. You'd be calling them cowards and guilty for not answering questions.

Absolutely not true.  I was the one saying that Clinton was stupid to challenge the Paula Jones suit because it forced him to testify.  When the police tell you that you have the right to remain silent, it is the best advice that you will ever receive.  And I mean that.


You probably applauded Trump six years ago when he said only guilty people took the fifth.

Six years ago, I was a Ted Cruz supporter getting zotted from TOS.  And you may want to go back and read what Trump actually said, because your statement here is not an accurate representation of it.


But now that Trump did it, IT'S DIFFERENT!!!!!!!!!

No, I abhor double standards.


But it ain't different. It's Trump doing it. Now the goalposts have been moved for Trump.

Again, you could not be more wrong here.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 11, 2022, 11:00:18 pm
Videos are available. Check them out.

I did.  I even reposted them for you verbatim.  And I am having a difficult time reconciling the words that Trump uttered with the claims you are making about what he said.  So who should I believe?  Trump's own words?  Or your rendition of Trump's words pulled from some Trump attack article?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: libertybele on August 11, 2022, 11:02:10 pm
Polls accurately predicted Trump in range for beating Clinton in 2016. They also accurately predicted him getting beat by Biden in 2020.
Pollsters who are regularly off in their predictions don't get hired. Their business relies on them being accurate.

Ok.  You keep thinking that.  Polls are never set up to sway an agenda. *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 11, 2022, 11:06:26 pm
I don't have any answers for you????!!! :facepalm2:
Six years ago Trump made a public statement available on video that people who took the fifth were most likely guilty or why would they take the fifth?


And here are those exact words:

“So there are five people taking the Fifth Amendment. Like you see on the mob, right? You see the mob takes the Fifth. If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

Nowhere in that does Trump say that the people taking the fifth (WHO WERE NOT TARGETS OF THE INVESTIGATION) were guilty.  Nowhere.  Did you even read what I said?  I explained this to you clearly.


Now Trump takes the fifth, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT FOR TRUMP!!!!

Trump is the target of an investigation.  It isn't the first time Trump has taken the fifth either.  But then for you to know that, you would have to do actual research.  And that may prove more difficult than copying and pasting from left-wing websites.


Stop with the hypocrisy.

Show me where I am being hypocritical, @goatprairie .  And do it by something I have actually done, not by lies you invent about what I did six years ago.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 11, 2022, 11:07:42 pm
Polls are never set up to sway an agenda. *****rollingeyes*****

Polls are set up to gauge the effectiveness of left-wing media efforts.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 11, 2022, 11:13:55 pm

And here are those exact words:

“So there are five people taking the Fifth Amendment. Like you see on the mob, right? You see the mob takes the Fifth. If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

Nowhere in that does Trump say that the people taking the fifth (WHO WERE NOT TARGETS OF THE INVESTIGATION) were guilty.  Nowhere.  Did you even read what I said?  I explained this to you clearly.


Trump is the target of an investigation.  It isn't the first time Trump has taken the fifth either.  But then for you to know that, you would have to do actual research.  And that may prove more difficult than copying and pasting from left-wing websites.


Show me where I am being hypocritical, @goatprairie .  And do it by something I have actually done, not by lies you invent about what I did six years ago.
Hey, if you want to think Trump is somehow different from the other people who take the fifth, go right ahead. I'm not going to sit here and argue with you.
He said what he said. Stop with the excuses.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 11, 2022, 11:15:57 pm
From Reason magazine:

"Donald Trump Pleads the 5th After Years of Saying Only Guilty People Do That
The former president may be a hypocrite, but at least he knows his own rights."
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 11, 2022, 11:17:32 pm
Hey, if you want to think Trump is somehow different from the other people who take the fifth

I don't.


I'm not going to sit here and argue with you.

It's not a matter of arguing with me.  It's a matter of you showing me any time that I said something different for anyone else.  And the bottom line here is you can't.  So the correct course of action for you would be to admit your mistake and move on.  But I am betting that you lack the integrity to do so.


He said what he said.

And I posted it for you, verbatim.  Yet you continue to cling tightly to a false narrative of what he said.  Why is that?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 11, 2022, 11:19:28 pm
Reason:

"The invocation marked a notable break from Trump's previous thoughts on taking the Fifth, most notably during the 2016 campaign: During a presidential debate against Hillary Clinton, he called it "disgraceful" that members of her staff had refused to testify before congressional committees investigating Clinton's use of a private email server. Days later, he told a rally crowd, "The mob takes the Fifth. If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 11, 2022, 11:21:13 pm
I don't.


It's not a matter of arguing with me.  It's a matter of you showing me any time that I said something different for anyone else.  And the bottom line here is you can't.  So the correct course of action for you would be to admit your mistake and move on.  But I am betting that you lack the integrity to do so.


And I posted it for you, verbatim.  Yet you continue to cling tightly to a false narrative of what he said.  Why is that?
I give up.   Believe what you want to believe.  ***suicide***
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: catfish1957 on August 11, 2022, 11:40:03 pm
Now just be honest...what if this were HRC, Biden, Obama, or any of number of Dem pols who said what Trump said six years ago and then took the fifth when put on the stand?
You be laughing hysterically  and ripping them a new one, wouldn't you?
But since it's Trump you give him a pass.
Why?

When is the last time the band of criminals you cited answer a question honestly?  They can lie, and since not under some judical witch hunt, can lie with impunity.  Trump, OTOH, the subject of that witch hunt does not have that luxury.

Furthermore, if you have been watching the prvevious witch hunts, it is not beyond his political enemies to plant evidence.

If you can't understand that, I can't help you.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: aligncare on August 11, 2022, 11:45:59 pm
Polls accurately predicted Trump in range for beating Clinton in 2016. They also accurately predicted him getting beat by Biden in 2020.
Pollsters who are regularly off in their predictions don't get hired. Their business relies on them being accurate.

The major polling firms are accurate—as Election Day nears. But, in the months and sometimes the years in advance of an election they under sample R’s and over sample D’s, among other nefarious tricks they use to shape the numbers. Everyone knows that. They’re called push polls, and what they hope to do is move opinion, not reflect it.

But, you’re right. If they want to get hired again they damn sure better be accurate in the few days and hours before an election (because that’s when their reputations are made).
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 11, 2022, 11:47:37 pm
Reason:

"The invocation marked a notable break from Trump's previous thoughts on taking the Fifth, most notably during the 2016 campaign: During a presidential debate against Hillary Clinton, he called it "disgraceful" that members of her staff had refused to testify before congressional committees investigating Clinton's use of a private email server. Days later, he told a rally crowd, "The mob takes the Fifth. If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"

For the third time now, the Clinton staffers were not the target of the investigation.  They were covering for Hillary.  Hence, it was not a self-incrimination issue.  In Trump's case, he is the target of the investigation.  This is a completely different context.

And also for the third time now, Trump does not imply that the staffers pleading the fifth are guilty.  This obvious fact has been pointed out to you again and again.  Yet you still cling tightly to your false narrative.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 11, 2022, 11:48:04 pm
I give up.   Believe what you want to believe.  ***suicide***

So you do lack the integrity.  Got it.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 12, 2022, 12:42:55 am
DeSantis has taken no risk beyond the safety net of his legisature. I'm not convinced this meets the definition of "bold"  ---  "bold" requires battle scars.

@Right_in_Virginia 

True,but that is hardly  HIS "fault",and framing it that way ALMOST seems like a cheap shot.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 12, 2022, 12:45:18 am
As awful as Biden's presidency has been so far, he beats Trump in the polls.

@goatprairie

Have you lost your freaking mind? Biden MIGHT beat Trump on the  left coast,but that's about it.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 12, 2022, 12:48:45 am
From Reason magazine:

"Donald Trump Pleads the 5th After Years of Saying Only Guilty People Do That
The former president may be a hypocrite, but at least he knows his own rights."

@goatprairie

Reason Magazine?

Oh,well! That's different! That settles it for me.

Can you tell me what RINO you are voting for so I can vote for that loser,too?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: verga on August 12, 2022, 12:57:20 am
@goatprairie

Reason Magazine?

Oh,well! That's different! That settles it for me.

Can you tell me what RINO you are voting for so I can vote for that loser,too?
I am pretty sure he also listens to "Coast to Coast".
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 12, 2022, 01:04:44 am
I am pretty sure he also listens to "Coast to Coast".

@ver
I am guessing that is a talk radio station? Is that the right description for that sort of thing?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: 240B on August 12, 2022, 01:05:42 am
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Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: GtHawk on August 12, 2022, 01:59:56 am
All we know about DeSantis is he's a Trump wannabe who operates well when surrounded by the fortune of a solidly aligned legislature.   We don't know if he is a warrior  -----  or another career politician primed for swamp absorption.
Oddly my support for Trump doesn't require me to talk down DeSantis, I don't see him as a threat to Trump as you obviously do, why I have no idea because at no time has he even hinted he would challenge Trump.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: GtHawk on August 12, 2022, 02:18:01 am
Reason:

"The invocation marked a notable break from Trump's previous thoughts on taking the Fifth, most notably during the 2016 campaign: During a presidential debate against Hillary Clinton, he called it "disgraceful" that members of her staff had refused to testify before congressional committees investigating Clinton's use of a private email server. Days later, he told a rally crowd, "The mob takes the Fifth. If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?"
Your using this where he was talking about Clintoon people who were not being investigated and not charged with anything but took the fifth refusing to answer questions about Hilary? Pretty poor example because he was talking about innocents not criminal refusing to testify(no doubt in fear of Arkancide). If you are using this as your defense I think you clearly do not understand the statement and it context or you are being obtuse for another reason of which I can conjecture but will not note my thinking.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: GtHawk on August 12, 2022, 02:18:50 am
I am pretty sure he also listens to "Coast to Coast".
Well that might be a plus.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: catfish1957 on August 12, 2022, 03:05:23 am
I am pretty sure he also listens to "Coast to Coast".

The one hosted by Space Ghost?  :cool:  Now it makes all the sense in the world.

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Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: verga on August 12, 2022, 12:34:47 pm
@ver
I am guessing that is a talk radio station? Is that the right description for that sort of thing?
@sneakypete Coast to Coast AM is an American late-night radio talk show that deals with a variety of topics. Most frequently the topics relate to either the paranormal or conspiracy theories. It was hosted by creator Art Bell from its inception in 1988 until 2000, and is currently hosted by George Noory.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 12, 2022, 01:05:16 pm
@sneakypete Coast to Coast AM is an American late-night radio talk show that deals with a variety of topics. Most frequently the topics relate to either the paranormal or conspiracy theories. It was hosted by creator Art Bell from its inception in 1988 until 2000, and is currently hosted by George Noory.

@verga

Thanks!

For some unknown reason I have never been interested in talk radio. Never even listened to Limbaugh on the radio,although I think I did watch a few of his tv broadcasts for entertainment value.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 12, 2022, 01:14:47 pm
If your radio station needed 3 hours of filler in the early AM hours, Art Bell was your guy.  Quite a talented role player.  Did a phenomenal job of interviewing himself.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 12, 2022, 03:38:51 pm
@Right_in_Virginia 

True,but that is hardly  HIS "fault",and framing it that way ALMOST seems like a cheap shot.

Who the hell said it was his fault @sneakypete  ??       I said it was his good fortune to have the statehouse he has.

But this does not change the fact that a man's true convictons and backbone are revealed through battles of fire ---- and to date DeSantis is sitting on an inner tube in the deep end of the pool.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 12, 2022, 03:48:30 pm
Oddly my support for Trump doesn't require me to talk down DeSantis, I don't see him as a threat to Trump as you obviously do, why I have no idea because at no time has he even hinted he would challenge Trump.

 :facepalm2:



Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: libertybele on August 12, 2022, 03:48:31 pm
Who the hell said it was his fault @sneakypete  ??       I said it was his good fortune to have the statehouse he has.

But this does not change the fact that a man's true convictons and backbone are revealed through battles of fire ---- and to date DeSantis is sitting on an inner tube in the deep end of the pool.

He's taken on Disney, the teacher's union and the sugar companies.  Granted he has a full majority, but he isn't just sitting back and doing nothing.  He is quick to move on issues and for the most part it has benefited FL.

He was one of the first to go up against CDC and WHO guidelines and opened up FL.  Why do you think over 900 people a day have moved to FL?

I would beg to differ that the migration is due to people fleeing higher taxes; the migration is more about freedom. (You can still always tell who just came from out of state; they are masked, some with gloves and those masks are worn in the parks, kayaking, etc.)

About 900 people a day are moving to Florida, the state's CFO, Jimmy Patronis, told Fox Business on Monday, attributing it mainly to higher taxes in states such as New York and New Jersey.

Migration to Florida had steadily risen over the past decade before booming during the coronavirus pandemic as remote working and the warm climate drew people to the Sunshine State.

Florida also has no personal income tax. In comparison, New York unveiled proposals in April to bump up its income-tax rates for its wealthiest residents.


Patronis told Fox that states like New York and New Jersey were "financial train wrecks."

https://www.bdb.org/news/2021/05/25/financial-services-news/900-people-a-day-are-moving-to-florida-many-fleeing-tax-hell-in-new-york-and-new-jersey-the-state-s-cfo-said/
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 12, 2022, 03:55:30 pm
Granted he has a full majority

This is my point @libertybele   We are in agreement  ---- so, please, stop trying to start a non-existent fight.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: GtHawk on August 12, 2022, 04:13:32 pm
:facepalm2:
Right back at ya
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Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 12, 2022, 04:14:50 pm
Right back at ya
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Good one.   88devil
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: libertybele on August 12, 2022, 05:38:36 pm
This is my point @libertybele   We are in agreement  ---- so, please, stop trying to start a non-existent fight.

???A fight @Right_in_Virginia  I would hope by now you would know me better than that.  Just for the record I am not trying to start a fight but merely pointing out that just because DeSantis has a full majority doesn't mean that he isn't working diligently to use that advantage to benefit Florida.

Also, I would vote for Trump over DeSantis.  Trump God willing will run again and prevail. He and we need to continue to fight for America.  I believe in my heart that Trump's leadership will turn this country around (again).

Peace.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 12, 2022, 06:19:21 pm
Who the hell said it was his fault @sneakypete  ??       I said it was his good fortune to have the statehouse he has.

But this does not change the fact that a man's true convictons and backbone are revealed through battles of fire ---- and to date DeSantis is sitting on an inner tube in the deep end of the pool.

@Right_in_Virginia

Ahhh,the old "throw out the baby with the bathwater" POV!

What ever happened to "give a promising pol the benefit of the doubt until he or she proves they can't be trusted?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Kamaji on August 12, 2022, 06:31:39 pm
Right back at ya
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:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 12, 2022, 06:36:36 pm

@libertybele  @Right_in_Virginia

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He's taken on Disney, the teacher's union and the sugar companies.


That takes some political stones for a Florida pol.

 Granted he has a full majority, but he isn't just sitting back and doing nothing.  He is quick to move on issues and for the most part it has benefited FL.

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He was one of the first to go up against CDC and WHO guidelines and opened up FL.  Why do you think over 900 people a day have moved to FL?

I would beg to differ that the migration is due to people fleeing higher taxes; the migration is more about freedom. (You can still always tell who just came from out of state; they are masked, some with gloves and those masks are worn in the parks, kayaking, etc.)

Ennnn,not to sure about that one. The typical Yankee wouldn't know freedom if they tripped over it,and even then it would scare them to death. They want RULES,DAMMIT!

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About 900 people a day are moving to Florida, the state's CFO, Jimmy Patronis, told Fox Business on Monday, attributing it mainly to higher taxes in states such as New York and New Jersey.

If Florida had any sense,and IF it were legal,they should put up barricades on the highways at the state line and refuse admittance to anyone that came from north of Virginia.

Florida was known as "The southernmost Yankee state in the nation" 20+ years ago,and this ain't making it any better.

And speaking as someone who grew up in the south starting 70 years or so ago,I can tell you with an absolute certainty  the typical yankee is mostly harmless the first 60 or 90 days,but after that they get fire in their eyes and want laws passed to make it "just like it was back home!"

I have witnesses this everywhere I have lived in the south.

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Florida also has no personal income tax. In comparison, New York unveiled proposals in April to bump up its income-tax rates for its wealthiest residents.[/i]

Florida should IMMEDIATELY pass a law making income tax for yankee refugees twice what they were paying "back home".


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Patronis told Fox that states like New York and New Jersey were "financial train wrecks."

EXACTLY! And the REASON they are train wrecks is because the same SOB's that are moving south now VOTED for train wrecks,more powerful unions,more welfare,strict gun control,more powerful unions with "no show" jobs,etc,etc,etc.

Why the HELL would anyone want to see these viscous parasites moving next door to them?

https://www.bdb.org/news/2021/05/25/financial-services-news/900-people-a-day-are-moving-to-florida-many-fleeing-tax-hell-in-new-york-and-new-jersey-the-state-s-cfo-said/
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: GtHawk on August 12, 2022, 08:08:27 pm
Good one.   88devil
:beer:
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 12, 2022, 09:07:28 pm
I am pretty sure he also listens to "Coast to Coast".
What? You're telling me you don't believe chupacabras are real?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 12, 2022, 09:10:39 pm
Ha,ha....it's hilarious to see you people twist yourselves into pretzels rationalizing Trump taking the fifth. But go ahead...don't let me stop you.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 12, 2022, 09:16:40 pm
Ha,ha....it's hilarious to see you people twist yourselves into pretzels rationalizing Trump taking the fifth. But go ahead...don't let me stop you.

At least we have integrity.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 14, 2022, 12:04:56 am
At least we have integrity.
Oh, sure thing. You're backing an incorrigible liar who can't stop lying and deceiving.
 Make sure you send Donny more money for his new jet airplane. A quarter of a billion wasn't enough I guess.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: aligncare on August 14, 2022, 12:40:08 am
Oh, sure thing. You're backing an incorrigible liar who can't stop lying and deceiving.
 Make sure you send Donny more money for his new jet airplane. A quarter of a billion wasn't enough I guess.

Admit it, you personally know nothing about Donald Trump the man, only what you’ve been feed by the willing accomplices in the media—and they all read off the same script provided by the DNC. He’s nothing like you described. Trying reading accounts of Donald Trump from the people who were personally acquainted with the man for years; you’ll get a truer picture of him.

On second thought, don’t. You’ll be happier in your cocoon of ignorance. After all, you don’t want to accidentally fry your cognitive dissonance meter.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 14, 2022, 12:41:18 am
misread that
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Kamaji on August 14, 2022, 12:43:31 am
Admit it, you personally know nothing about Donald Trump the man, only what you’ve been feed by the willing accomplices in the media—and they all read off the same script provided by the DNC. He’s nothing like you described. Trying reading accounts of Donald Trump from the people who were personally acquainted with the man for years; you’ll get a truer picture of him.

On second thought, don’t. You’ll be happier in your cocoon of ignorance. After all, you don’t want to accidentally fry your cognitive dissonance meter.

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: LMAO on August 14, 2022, 12:51:36 am
Ha,ha....it's hilarious to see you people twist yourselves into pretzels rationalizing Trump taking the fifth. But go ahead...don't let me stop you.

Donald Trump does have the right plead the fifth

But his past statements about those that plead the fifth amendment have come back to haunt him. There’s no spinning that away

@goatprairie
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: libertybele on August 14, 2022, 12:52:45 am
Oh, sure thing. You're backing an incorrigible liar who can't stop lying and deceiving.
 Make sure you send Donny more money for his new jet airplane. A quarter of a billion wasn't enough I guess.

@goatprairie do you know for a fact that he is lying??? If so, what proof do you have??  Do you know him personally or know of someone who is close to him?

One things is for sure President Trump had this country headed in a more positive direction. Perhaps you like Joe's policies; inflation, energy dependence, empty shelves, weaponized IRS agents, CRISIS AT THE BORDER, and the recent Inflation Reduction Act??? 
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 14, 2022, 12:57:30 am
But his past statements about those that plead the fifth amendment have come back to haunt him. There’s no spinning that away

@goatprairie

Actually, no they don't.  Which is why they had to mischaracterize what he said by inventing a new narrative.  Trump's earlier comments were about witnesses, not about the subject of the investigation (which he is).  So it is a completely different scenario.  Sure, Trump is open to criticism for exercising his right against self-incrimination to a hostile prosecutor itching for something to convict him on.  But his comments in 2016 were spot on.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Kamaji on August 14, 2022, 12:57:49 am
Ha,ha....it's hilarious to see you people twist yourselves into pretzels rationalizing Trump taking the fifth. But go ahead...don't let me stop you.

What pretzels?  Trump originally made the same stupid statement that most people make about the fifth, and he has now publicly corrected himself and said he now sees why it’s an important right.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: LMAO on August 14, 2022, 01:02:21 am
What pretzels?  Trump originally made the same stupid statement that most people make about the fifth, and he has now publicly corrected himself and said he now sees why it’s an important right.

Of course it’s an important right and he has every right to plead the fifth


But it is fair to point out his hypocrisy that it only became valuable when he needed it
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: libertybele on August 14, 2022, 01:05:37 am
Of course it’s an important right and he has every right to plead the fifth


But it is fair to point out his hypocrisy that it only became valuable when he needed it

Seriously -- this is the least of our worries in this country -- Trump pleading the fifth of which he had every right to do.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: LMAO on August 14, 2022, 01:14:32 am
Now just be honest...what if this were HRC, Biden, Obama, or any of number of Dem pols who said what Trump said six years ago and then took the fifth when put on the stand?
You be laughing hysterically  and ripping them a new one, wouldn't you?
But since it's Trump you give him a pass.
Why?

Yep.

This reminds me of the argument I had with a Biden supporter back during 2016 campaign who tried to explain away the hypocrisy when Joe Biden once said something to the effect that if a woman is willing to come forward with an accusation of sexual assault, she should be believed until he was accused





@goatprairie
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: aligncare on August 14, 2022, 01:24:25 am
Seriously -- this is the least of our worries in this country -- Trump pleading the fifth of which he had every right to do.

In an environment where for seven years he’s been ceaselessly attacked with false assertions and characterizations from both the right and the left; and now being hounded by a powerful, corrupted law enforcement agency with bogus criminal charges — damn straight plead the fifth, no matter what anyone might think.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: libertybele on August 14, 2022, 01:25:46 am
In an environment where for seven years he’s been ceaselessly attacked with false assertions and characterizations from both the right and the left; and now being hounded by a powerful, corrupted law enforcement agency with bogus criminal charges — damn straight plead the fifth, no matter what anyone might think.

 888high58888

Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 14, 2022, 02:14:14 am
What pretzels?  Trump originally made the same stupid statement that most people make about the fifth, and he has now publicly corrected himself and said he now sees why it’s an important right.

No, that's not what happened.  In 2016, Trump made a comment about witnesses who plead the Fifth - not about people being investigated who plead the Fifth.  Huge difference.  Besides, Trump pled the fifth in one of his divorce proceedings.  So this isn't some new thing he did.

I would highly recommend to everyone to go back and see what Trump actually said and the context of his words before buying some false left-wing narrative posted here by @goatprairie .
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 14, 2022, 02:37:33 am
Admit it, you personally know nothing about Donald Trump the man, only what you’ve been feed by the willing accomplices in the media—and they all read off the same script provided by the DNC. He’s nothing like you described. Trying reading accounts of Donald Trump from the people who were personally acquainted with the man for years; you’ll get a truer picture of him.

On second thought, don’t. You’ll be happier in your cocoon of ignorance. After all, you don’t want to accidentally fry your cognitive dissonance meter.
You mean Donald Trump the man who has been lying about losing for close to two years now? The man who instigated a riot at our nation's capital resulting in over 100 cops injured and five people dead in the aftermath? The man who sat on his can for three hours watching a riot while his flunkies begged him to address the rioters and try to stop the riot?
The man who conspired to send fake electors to the certification?
The man who bilked his followers out of quarter of a billion dollars to supposedly fight the election result but instead spend much of it on cronies and other things?
That Trump?
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 14, 2022, 02:40:17 am
Donald Trump does have the right plead the fifth

But his past statements about those that plead the fifth amendment have come back to haunt him. There’s no spinning that away

@goatprairie
Thank you for the acknowledgement...that's all I'm looking for.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 14, 2022, 02:43:44 am
@goatprairie do you know for a fact that he is lying??? If so, what proof do you have??  Do you know him personally or know of someone who is close to him?

One things is for sure President Trump had this country headed in a more positive direction. Perhaps you like Joe's policies; inflation, energy dependence, empty shelves, weaponized IRS agents, CRISIS AT THE BORDER, and the recent Inflation Reduction Act???
I voted for Trump twice. He had more good policies than bad ones. If he had acknowledged that he lost in 2020 and promised to clean up his act and do better, I would have considered voting for him if he had gotten the nomination again in 2024.
But after lying about losing for almost two years and Jan 6 and his other shenanigans like the fake elector scam?
No thank you. That's quite enough for me of Donald J. Trump.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 14, 2022, 02:45:03 am
What pretzels?  Trump originally made the same stupid statement that most people make about the fifth, and he has now publicly corrected himself and said he now sees why it’s an important right.
Oh, I'm sure you would have excused Obama, HRC, or Biden if they had said the same thing, right?  :silly:
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: goatprairie on August 14, 2022, 02:49:19 am
No, that's not what happened.  In 2016, Trump made a comment about witnesses who plead the Fifth - not about people being investigated who plead the Fifth.  Huge difference.  Besides, Trump pled the fifth in one of his divorce proceedings.  So this isn't some new thing he did.

I would highly recommend to everyone to go back and see what Trump actually said and the context of his words before buying some false left-wing narrative posted here by @goatprairie .
Yeah, that's me the person who voted for Trump twice....I confess....I'm just and out and out leftist.  8888crybaby
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 14, 2022, 02:51:06 am
Who said you were a leftist?  Stop playing victim.  It's what leftists do.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 14, 2022, 03:02:42 am
You mean Donald Trump the man who has been lying about losing for close to two years now? The man who instigated a riot at our nation's capital resulting in over 100 cops injured and five people dead in the aftermath? The man who sat on his can for three hours watching a riot while his flunkies begged him to address the rioters and try to stop the riot?
The man who conspired to send fake electors to the certification?
The man who bilked his followers out of quarter of a billion dollars to supposedly fight the election result but instead spend much of it on cronies and other things?
That Trump?


     I voted for Trump twice.

Ah, yeah ... about pointing-up  this voting twice thing   ------ I'm going to need the receipts.   Thanks.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: LMAO on August 14, 2022, 11:44:23 am
Thank you for the acknowledgement...that's all I'm looking for.

Well, you are right. And even after you provided his past statement re: the 5th  you’ve either been attacked as an individual or had people try to “explain” what he really said
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: sneakypete on August 14, 2022, 12:29:48 pm
No surprise there. They pretty much HAVE to question him after seizing documents on a raid of his house. They need to try to justify what they have done.

Damn good thing he has the money to hire top lawyers,because I SUSPECT that  if they can't find something incriminating,they will try to create it.

Seems to ME this is just a part of a major campaign by the Dims to do anything they can do to try to keep him from running for President again.

And they don't care how far they have to go or how much it costs,because unlike Trump,THEY won't be paying any law firms out of their own pockets because THEY will be spending tax dollars.
Title: Re: Trump says he’ll be questioned in New York investigation into finances
Post by: Hoodat on August 14, 2022, 07:23:49 pm
Well, you are right. And even after you provided his past statement re: the 5th

Nope.  That didn't happen.  Only a portion of Trumps words were offered out of context for the purpose of pushing a false narrative.  The full context of Trump's statement has been offered on this thread several times that contradict that false narrative.