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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: don-o on February 27, 2017, 02:14:30 pm
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George W. Bush opens up on Trump's war with the media, Russia and travel ban
http://www.today.com/news/george-w-bush-opens-trump-s-war-media-russia-travel-t108627
In a wide-ranging interview that shied away from directly criticizing the current commander in chief, former President George W. Bush said it's critical for the media to hold accountable “people who abuse their power." He also said he favored an immigration policy that was more "welcoming."
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George W. Bush opens up on Trump's war with the media, Russia and travel ban
http://www.today.com/news/george-w-bush-opens-trump-s-war-media-russia-travel-t108627
In a wide-ranging interview that shied away from directly criticizing the current commander in chief, former President George W. Bush said it's critical for the media to hold accountable “people who abuse their power." He also said he favored an immigration policy that was more "welcoming."
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Mega Barf.
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Another fake conservative smoked out. Did W say one word critical of Obama? Ever?
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Another fake conservative smoked out. Did W say one word critical of Obama? Ever?
Great point. No.....he was virtually invisible.
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He still doesn't know that democracy is not freedom. He thinks that a handful of corporate entities comprise the 'free press.'
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Another fake conservative smoked out. Did W say one word critical of Obama? Ever?
I am exhausted from defending W Bush. And for what?
@don-o
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I am exhausted from defending W Bush. And for what?
@don-o
The apple does not fall far from the tree. It was a tragic error that Reagan made with Poppy and I said so at the time. I gave the Rockefeller Republicans their assurance that things would turn their way, as history shows they did.
GWB Daughter Barbara Bush to Keynote Planned Parenthood Fundraiser
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/25/gwb-daughter-barbara-bush-keynote-planned-parenthood-fundraiser/
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Another fake conservative smoked out. Did W say one word critical of Obama? Ever?
Never.
On the other hand now I don't feel so bad about bashing the knucklehead.
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"W" definitely was not without flaw. I found his stance on open borders and not getting the wall built that was voted on during his tenure very troubling. An immigration policy that is more welcoming?? I strongly disagree. We've got ISIS in our neighborhood now...letting additional people in from areas of the world where they have vowed to kills us is absolute lunacy.
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This folks, is why it's better than to take the pain up front on election day, rather than empowering your problem for the rest of your life in the name of 'lesser evil'.
Now, after 8 years of silence as Obama and the liberals destroyed America, he is suddenly vocal the very moment someone attempts to turn the tide away from liberal policies.
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This folks, is why it's better than to take the pain up front on election day, rather than empowering your problem for the rest of your life in the name of 'lesser evil'.
Now, after 8 years of silence as Obama and the liberals destroyed America, he is suddenly vocal the very moment someone attempts to turn the tide away from liberal policies.
Some of us might have thought it was class that prevented GW Bush from criticizing a sitting president.
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Ahhhhh, Trumpers have a new enemy.
:pop41:
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Eight years, and not ONCE did W criticize Obama.
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Ahhhhh, Trumpers have a new enemy.
:pop41:
He's hardly a "new" enemy.
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This thread isn't on the Bush daughter but I can see her angling for an important position in Planned Parenthood a la Cecil Richards. That's where the money is.
Dubya is a bit blah, not only did he say little about Obama, Dubya could have likely defended his record better as well. Looks like Dick Cheney did that some.
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He's hardly a "new" enemy.
He's a new playtoy for you fellas (and TOS) to swat around for a while.
Were Reagan alive and made some comment about Trump you'd attack him too.
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He's a new playtoy for you fellas (and TOS) to swat around for a while.
Were Reagan alive and made some comment about Trump you'd attack him too.
If you say so.
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He's a new playtoy for you fellas (and TOS) to swat around for a while.
Were Reagan alive and made some comment about Trump you'd attack him too.
Comparing Reagan to Bush, oh boy.
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I remember on FreakRepublic circa 2004 or so, making even a flight backhand comment against Bush was enough to get the viking kitties. Now it's Trump.
Eventually Trump will be persona non grata among the "movement" as well IMO.
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One can argue, still picking up a few morsels from the other place, that we were justified to go into Iraq; that Pres. Clinton should have done the clean up work on that deal because of Iraq breaking UN sanctions. That's probably so.
The invasion was mismanaged is more of the way I see it, more troops needed, permanent base needed. Now, we have a big mess but it has gotten better in the last year.
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I remember on FreakRepublic circa 2004 or so, making even a flight backhand comment against Bush was enough to get the viking kitties. Now it's Trump.
Eventually Trump will be persona non grata among the "movement" as well IMO.
The moment he turns against the interests of this country, probably.
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One can argue, still picking up a few morsels from the other place, that we were justified to go into Iraq; that Pres. Clinton should have done the clean up work on that deal because of Iraq breaking UN sanctions. That's probably so.
The invasion was mismanaged is more of the way I see it, more troops needed, permanent base needed. Now, we have a big mess but it has gotten better in the last year.
The only "winner" was Iran.
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Eight years, and not ONCE did W criticize Obama.
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Yep, liberals loves them some Bush now.
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Actually Bush seems like a pretty sincere person. When it came to being criticized he tended to turn the other cheek...like it or not it's what he chose to do. As a person he's probably a really nice guy....as a president...I respected him.....probably not so much now.
He was on the Today show this morning with injured service members of whom he had painted paintings. The paintings were quite good and he was very gracious to them as they were to him. No doubt the man has a good heart.
He wasn't perfect....but is anyone?
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"[The new President] deserves my silence. There's plenty of critics in the arena. I think it's time for the ex-president to tap dance off the stage and let the current president have a go at solving the world's problems."
- George W. Bush, March 2009
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The apple does not fall far from the tree. It was a tragic error that Reagan made with Poppy and I said so at the time. I gave the Rockefeller Republicans their assurance that things would turn their way, as history shows they did.
GWB Daughter Barbara Bush to Keynote Planned Parenthood Fundraiser
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/25/gwb-daughter-barbara-bush-keynote-planned-parenthood-fundraiser/
IMO, Ronald Reagan chose George Herbert Walker Bush for the same political reasons that Donald Trump chose Mike Pence....geopolitical advantage(s).
....same as virtually every POTUS.
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Eight years, and not ONCE did W criticize Obama.
"Criticize" is one thing.
Not defending yourself when the sitting POTUS blames you for screwing up the country/economy/world, is another.
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Actually Bush seems like a pretty sincere person. When it came to being criticized he tended to turn the other cheek...like it or not it's what he chose to do. As a person he's probably a really nice guy....as a president...I respected him.....probably not so much now.
He was on the Today show this morning with injured service members of whom he had painted paintings. The paintings were quite good and he was very gracious to them as they were to him. No doubt the man has a good heart.
He wasn't perfect....but is anyone?
I have no doubt he's a sincere man.
But its clear as president he did nothing to reverse the deleterious direction of the country.
Criticizing a president who might, for whatever reason, be able to actually shake up a corrupt and destructive system, especially after eight years of silence during the crypto marxist Obama administration, certainly doesn't help.
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At least, Trump is a fighter; that's largely the polar opposite of what Bush was.
Cheney is a bit of a fighter.
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The only "winner" was Iran.
And this might have been a contingent that Bush, Rumsfield, etc. did not take into account, that we were going to end up fighting Iran, at a minimum.
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And this might have been a contingent that Bush, Rumsfield, etc. did not take into account, that we were going to end up fighting Iran, at a minimum.
Anyone with a brain could have seen that Saddam, as bad as he might have been, was a buffer against Iran, who were always going to be a much larger threat than Saddam could ever have dreamed of being.
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Actually Bush seems like a pretty sincere person. When it came to being criticized he tended to turn the other cheek...like it or not it's what he chose to do. As a person he's probably a really nice guy....as a president...I respected him.....probably not so much now.
He was on the Today show this morning with injured service members of whom he had painted paintings. The paintings were quite good and he was very gracious to them as they were to him. No doubt the man has a good heart.
He wasn't perfect....but is anyone?
IMO, if his mom and dad had passed....he wouldn't have continued being mute.
...could be as simple as that.
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Yep, liberals loves them some Bush now.
The photo with Michelle was taken during the second term of Obama's (active) presidency.
The Bush bromance with BJ has, however, been going on for almost a decade now ...
(http://blogs.rep-am.com/worth_reading/files/2011/02/medium_bushclinton.jpg)
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/140908121229-george-w-bush-clinton-getty-story-top.jpg)
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The photo with Michelle was taken during the second term of Obama's (active) presidency.
The Bush bromance with BJ has, however, been going on for almost a decade now ...
(http://blogs.rep-am.com/worth_reading/files/2011/02/medium_bushclinton.jpg)
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/140908121229-george-w-bush-clinton-getty-story-top.jpg)
(http://cdnph.upi.com/svc/sv/upi/7641392768085/2014/1/a6a8333eaa0df357285c7045262021a2/Bill-Clinton-wants-to-know-why-George-W-Bush-isnt-on-Twitter.jpg)
They go WAAAAY Back.
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She dont feel dirty @don-o .
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The apple does not fall far from the tree. It was a tragic error that Reagan made with Poppy and I said so at the time. I gave the Rockefeller Republicans their assurance that things would turn their way, as history shows they did.
GWB Daughter Barbara Bush to Keynote Planned Parenthood Fundraiser
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/25/gwb-daughter-barbara-bush-keynote-planned-parenthood-fundraiser/
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IMO, if his mom and dad had passed....he wouldn't have continued being mute.
...could be as simple as that.
In all honesty his comments during this interview are relatively benign. He didn't 'open up' on Trump.
But they are more critical than anything he ever said about Obama.
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IMO, if his mom and dad had passed....he wouldn't have continued being mute.
...could be as simple as that.
How does this explain GW's criticizing the current sitting POTUS?
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Reagan DID make appearances with Trump.
He's a new playtoy for you fellas (and TOS) to swat around for a while.
Were Reagan alive and made some comment about Trump you'd attack him too.
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Another fake conservative smoked out. Did W say one word critical of Obama? Ever?
Who said he was a conservative? I like the guy, but we knew way back that he was no conservative.
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Eight years, and not ONCE did W criticize Obama.
Really?
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-04-27/george-w-bush-bashes-obama-on-middle-east
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/ken-walshs-washington/2015/04/27/george-w-bush-criticizes-obama-policies
http://americannews.com/george-w-bush-criticizes-obama-about-war-with-islamic-state/
Andt that's just the first couple of results.
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Really?
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-04-27/george-w-bush-bashes-obama-on-middle-east
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/ken-walshs-washington/2015/04/27/george-w-bush-criticizes-obama-policies
http://americannews.com/george-w-bush-criticizes-obama-about-war-with-islamic-state/
Andt that's just the first couple of results.
While he does appear to criticize Obama policies, those are three accounts by attendees of the same private meeting.
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How does this explain GW's criticizing the current sitting POTUS?
Thinking, perhaps, it was the manner in which Jeb Bush was defeated in his run at the nomination. :shrug:
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Really?
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-04-27/george-w-bush-bashes-obama-on-middle-east (https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-04-27/george-w-bush-bashes-obama-on-middle-east)
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/ken-walshs-washington/2015/04/27/george-w-bush-criticizes-obama-policies (https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/ken-walshs-washington/2015/04/27/george-w-bush-criticizes-obama-policies)
http://americannews.com/george-w-bush-criticizes-obama-about-war-with-islamic-state/ (http://americannews.com/george-w-bush-criticizes-obama-about-war-with-islamic-state/)
Andt that's just the first couple of results.
:thumbsup:
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George W. Bush opens up on Trump's war with the media, Russia and travel ban
http://www.today.com/news/george-w-bush-opens-trump-s-war-media-russia-travel-t108627
In a wide-ranging interview that shied away from directly criticizing the current commander in chief, former President George W. Bush said it's critical for the media to hold accountable “people who abuse their power." He also said he favored an immigration policy that was more "welcoming."
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I didn't see it and I'm not gonna go crazy here but if he did favor a more welcoming immigration party, then I have to say I'm disappointed.
I'm also disappointed that he never criticized Obama but I thought it was part of his mindset that one doesn't criticize the president. I hope we're over-reacting here.
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I didn't see it and I'm not gonna go crazy here but if he did favor a more welcoming immigration party, then I have to say I'm disappointed.
I'm also disappointed that he never criticized Obama but I thought it was part of his mindset that one doesn't criticize the president. I hope we're over-reacting here.
@Emjay, while GW didn't reach the levels that 0 did, he was always an open borders guy, even when he was Texas Governor.
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@Emjay, while GW didn't reach the levels that 0 did, he was always an open borders guy, even when he was Texas Governor.
Yup he was. I always thought it was because of Jeb's wife.
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I didn't see it and I'm not gonna go crazy here but if he did favor a more welcoming immigration party, then I have to say I'm disappointed.
I'm also disappointed that he never criticized Obama but I thought it was part of his mindset that one doesn't criticize the president. I hope we're over-reacting here.
Just heard his soundbyte on talk radio and he basically said we need the media to hold people 'like him' accountable. Like.... when Dan Rather held him accountable for having been AWOL...? Bush is another sellout. I voted for him twice. He let us down, just as his father did.
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I note in this article that is says "Bush was asked about the media's role in light of President Donald Trump's recent characterization of the media as "enemies of America." "
I cannot find a site that actually quotes Trumps saying that. Trump did say that fake news sites are enemies.
The article appears to be one ginning up controversy.
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The Bush's and Clinton's are cut from the same cloth. Their dynasties had a grip on this country like no other. They are not pleased with the fact that Trump ended that control when he won. The Clinton foundation is unraveling ... I have no idea the amount of political money (foreign and domestic) that the Bush's and Clinton's have accumulated over the years; but hopefully Trump put a plug in the money flowing into their pockets and a whole lot of people down the food chain are feeling the pinch as well. The corruption of the Clinton's and the Bush's is notable and shouldn't be forgotten. We have a President that is trying to reverse the course and for that I have to give him credit and stand by him. It astounds me that people are still bellyaching over his win ... sure the guy said some crude things, may have done some crude things, isn't that charismatic and doesn't speak so eloquently, but at the end of the day, it seems he's starting to get the job done as he promised. It's a little over a month into his presidency...so far, I can't find anything really to complain about.
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Ahhhhh, Trumpers have a new enemy.
:pop41:
Are you getting paid the same 30 cents per post, that the semi-pros got ??
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The Bush's and Clinton's are cut from the same cloth. Their dynasties had a grip on this country like no other. They are not pleased with the fact that Trump ended that control when he won. The Clinton foundation is unraveling ... I have no idea the amount of political money (foreign and domestic) that the Bush's and Clinton's have accumulated over the years; but hopefully Trump put a plug in the money flowing into their pockets and a whole lot of people down the food chain are feeling the pinch as well. The corruption of the Clinton's and the Bush's is notable and shouldn't be forgotten. We have a President that is trying to reverse the course and for that I have to give him credit and stand by him. It astounds me that people are still bellyaching over his win ... sure the guy said some crude things, may have done some crude things, isn't that charismatic and doesn't speak so eloquently, but at the end of the day, it seems he's starting to get the job done as he promised. It's a little over a month into his presidency...so far, I can't find anything really to complain about.
He hasn't done anything that I take issue with. I'm sure it will happen. Just hasn't happened yet. Can't wait to hear his SOTU address. Should be interesting to watch.
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I voted for him twice.
So did I and that was in New York where my vote didn't count. It was him or Gore, him or Kerry.
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So did I and that was in New York where my vote didn't count. It was him or Gore, him or Kerry.
I voted against Gore and Kerry. I didn't vote FOR anyone.
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Eight years, and not ONCE did W criticize Obama.
What you need to realize is that the Bushs', Clintons', Obamas' and most of the DC establishment are all on the same team. Bush did not criticize Obama because Obama was implementing a Globalist agenda that Bush agrees with. Trump on the other hand is pursuing an agenda that places America and it's citizens first, not the moneyed interest of the globalists. We can expect more of the same from one of the worst presidents ever.
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IMO, Ronald Reagan chose George Herbert Walker Bush for the same political reasons that Donald Trump chose Mike Pence....geopolitical advantage(s).
....same as virtually every POTUS.
Absolutely, Pence is Trumps' HW Bush. We need to watch Pence like a Hawk watching a field mouse.
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Anyone with a brain could have seen that Saddam, as bad as he might have been, was a buffer against Iran, who were always going to be a much larger threat than Saddam could ever have dreamed of being.
Saddam tried to assassinate W daddy. The Iraq war was all about pay back for Saddam trying to kill HW Bush. It had nothing to do with WMDs, that WMD thing was an just an excuse. George W Bush put the interest of his family above the interests of his country. The Bushes are all about family over country.
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Absolutely, Pence is Trumps' HW Bush. We need to watch Pence like a Hawk watching a field mouse.
Difference being Trump went to his political right for Pence. Reagan went to his left for Bush.
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@Emjay, while GW didn't reach the levels that 0 did, he was always an open borders guy, even when he was Texas Governor.
Sometimes one has to actually see the talk to get the nuances. I never watch Today but might have if I'd known he was going to be on.
I've liked him for a long time. I was so glad he beat the insufferable Ann Richards (whose equally insufferable daughter heads PP). He was a good governor and basically a good president. I'm not sure how much attention he pays to politics or to how open borders have been a disaster for much of Europe, but while I hate the immigration remark, I don't hate GWB and never will.
We are to quick to turn against good people because they say or feel something we don't like.
I would really like ME as president but I'd probably be the only one.
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IMO, Ronald Reagan chose George Herbert Walker Bush for the same political reasons that Donald Trump chose Mike Pence....geopolitical advantage(s).
....same as virtually every POTUS.
@DCPatriot
New York and Indiana? Geo-Political?
No, I see it more as Trump picking a traditional conservative; and one who is always very supportive of Trump; I don't know what Pence's support was like before he was picked. Pence is outstanding, I guess he brings some of the Midwest slightly but Ryan didn't help Romney that much. I think he was geo-Political.
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I voted against Gore and Kerry. I didn't vote FOR anyone.
I voted for him twice too. I knew he was a incompetent phony, running on his daddys' name but the thought of Al Gore and then John Kerry was to horrible to contemplate. I did take a pass on John (Amnesty) McCain and voted 3rd party. The only time since Jimmy that I haven't voted R at the top.
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Difference being Trump went to his political right for Pence. Reagan went to his left for Bush.
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Absolutely, I think the Pence pick was in part geared towards all of those saying "Well, Trump's not a real conservative"; it's hard to make that case against Pence. A very accomplished individual, a Representative previously.
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Bush 41 talked of Reagan's voodoo economics; there is no prior bad blood between Trump and Pence,
Pence, though more subdued than others, really seems to stick to Christian principles, maybe even to an Evangelical degree. That is another thing that is not obvious with Bush 41 or 43, I'm sure both of them quoted the Bible and were religious but not to a degree like Pence. Great pick, made the ticket, a very traditional conservative. Radio talk show host background, not director of the CIA. Bush 41 served nobly in combat as a pilot, that should not be forgotten but then, I think he became part of the big government.
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Sometimes one has to actually see the talk to get the nuances. I never watch Today but might have if I'd known he was going to be on.
I've liked him for a long time. I was so glad he beat the insufferable Ann Richards (whose equally insufferable daughter heads PP). He was a good governor and basically a good president. I'm not sure how much attention he pays to politics or to how open borders have been a disaster for much of Europe, but while I hate the immigration remark, I don't hate GWB and never will.
We are to quick to turn against good people because they say or feel something we don't like.
I would really like ME as president but I'd probably be the only one.
No one was happier than I was when W won.
It took me a long time to become disappointed with him. He seemed to become bored with the job after Hussein was captured. The only thing that seemed to animate him was his apparent sympathy for illegals.
The fact that he refused to defend himself afterwards was the icing.
But at least we don't have a carbon tax today, which we would if Gore had won.
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Mega Barf.
"it's critical for the media to hold accountable 'people who abuse their power.'"
Anyone that disagrees with that, finding themselves vomiting in disgust with this very fundamental concept of freedom-loving American thought, might want to go on over to DU or similarly braindead freedom-hating TOS.
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Difference being Trump went to his political right for Pence. Reagan went to his left for Bush.
I'm not so sure about that, certainly Pence is more conservative on social issues. Other than that Trump looks more conservative to me.
Pence was chosen to reassure establishment Rs that he (Trump) would not go to far off the reservation. It worked, he got elected and Pence was a big part of that. Now I'd like to see Pence help get Trump cabinet appointed and his America First agenda passed in Congress. Pences' remarks in Europe were very troubling to me.
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I voted against Gore and Kerry. I didn't vote FOR anyone.
I can't remember ever voting for anyone. It's always best choice or who seems the best choice.
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Pences' remarks in Europe were very troubling to me.
Specifically?
@jpsb
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I'm not so sure about that, certainly Pence is more conservative on social issues. Other than that Trump looks more conservative to me.
Pence was chosen to reassure establishment Rs that he (Trump) would not go to far off the reservation. It worked, he got elected and Pence was a big part of that. Now I'd like to see Pence help get Trump cabinet appointed and his America First agenda passed in Congress. Pences' remarks in Europe were very troubling to me.
Those remarks are troubling, so must be the remarks of UN Ambassador Haley and Secretary of State Mattis. At least, Pence has company. I look forward to hearing how their remarks are troubling as well.
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Pence is establishment, yeah, right. Lazy argument.
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Yup he was. I always thought it was because of Jeb's wife.
I always thought it was misplaced compassion.
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Sometimes one has to actually see the talk to get the nuances. I never watch Today but might have if I'd known he was going to be on.
I've liked him for a long time. I was so glad he beat the insufferable Ann Richards (whose equally insufferable daughter heads PP). He was a good governor and basically a good president. I'm not sure how much attention he pays to politics or to how open borders have been a disaster for much of Europe, but while I hate the immigration remark, I don't hate GWB and never will.
We are to quick to turn against good people because they say or feel something we don't like.
I would really like ME as president but I'd probably be the only one.
Emjay, I hope I didn't give the impression that I was turning against the guy. I voted for him for governor, and twice for Pres. But - I knew what we were getting to a great extent. I did not anticipate the vast increase in federal spending and I didn't anticipate that GW would just slow federal enforcement of migrant laws to the extent that he did. I figured he would be a fairly non-harmful middle of the road kind of president and one who would be vastly superior to Al Gore or John Kerry. I was surprised by how far left he went.
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I always thought it was misplaced compassion.
To be fair, many have suffered from misplaced compassion, including the original amnesty guy, Pres. Reagan. Gov. Perry. John McCain. etc.
For now I like Trump's position, of starting to get the "bad ones" out, and deal with the finer points later.
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Are you getting paid the same 30 cents per post, that the semi-pros got ??
I wish I'd gone to Red State first. I got a much clearer picture of W's Today show appearance.
No one can deny that he's been an incredibly great supporter of our veterans and, if nothing else, that should grant him respect.
That, in fact, was why he appeared on the Today show.... to show his paintings and to encourage support for veterans.
Of course, they tried to goad him into criticizing Trump and they failed.
He tempered his comment about immigration laws by saying they should also protect the country or something like that.
Very mild when you consider what he and his brother suffered at the hands of Trump during the nomination process.
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The Bush's and Clinton's are cut from the same cloth. Their dynasties had a grip on this country like no other. They are not pleased with the fact that Trump ended that control when he won. The Clinton foundation is unraveling ... I have no idea the amount of political money (foreign and domestic) that the Bush's and Clinton's have accumulated over the years; but hopefully Trump put a plug in the money flowing into their pockets and a whole lot of people down the food chain are feeling the pinch as well. The corruption of the Clinton's and the Bush's is notable and shouldn't be forgotten. We have a President that is trying to reverse the course and for that I have to give him credit and stand by him. It astounds me that people are still bellyaching over his win ... sure the guy said some crude things, may have done some crude things, isn't that charismatic and doesn't speak so eloquently, but at the end of the day, it seems he's starting to get the job done as he promised. It's a little over a month into his presidency...so far, I can't find anything really to complain about.
That's a big fat lie. The Bushes are good people. The Clinton's are corrupt people.
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He's a new playtoy for you fellas (and TOS) to swat around for a while.
Were Reagan alive and made some comment about Trump you'd attack him too.
Aint it the truth!
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Very mild when you consider what he and his brother suffered at the hands of Trump during the nomination process.
Tippy-Toes brought it upon himself.
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Oh, please. What was he supposed to do? Knock her away.
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Bush's own words, at least, Jeb and Dubya have been flattering of the Clintons. Not sure what people are up about. It can be documented.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/05/politics/george-w-bush-hillary-clinton-jeb-bush/index.html
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Did not take long for the pack to glom on
George W. Bush Not Thrilled by Behavior of Monster He Helped Create
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/02/bush-not-thrilled-by-behavior-of-monster-he-helped-create.html?mid=twitter_dailyintelligencer
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Actually Bush seems like a pretty sincere person. When it came to being criticized he tended to turn the other cheek...like it or not it's what he chose to do. As a person he's probably a really nice guy....as a president...I respected him.....probably not so much now.
He was on the Today show this morning with injured service members of whom he had painted paintings. The paintings were quite good and he was very gracious to them as they were to him. No doubt the man has a good heart.
He wasn't perfect....but is anyone?
Thank you for one of the few sensible posts on this thread. Is everybody crazy now?
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Oh, please. What was he supposed to do? Knock her away.
At least he could have had a more manly pose.
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Thank you for one of the few sensible posts on this thread. Is everybody crazy now?
I see a LOT of sensible posts. It is pretty significant that he chose to discard his previous policy concerning former Presidents.
His being a nice and sincere man has nothing to do with the consequences of his words.
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“It’s very hard to fight the war on terrorism if we’re in retreat,” Bush answered. “I think we learned that lesson — that if the United States decides to pull out before a free society emerges, it’s going to be hard to defeat them. The enemy is very good about exploiting weakness. If that’s the goal, to defeat ISIS, I believe that we should project strength.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/27/george-w-bush-favors-a-welcoming-immigration-policy-says-media-is-indispensable-to-democracy/#ixzz4ZuifUVgM
W is still looking to nation build with American blood and treasure---but managed to keep quiet during the Obama administration.
I'd say W's a surprising disappointment, but I've seen the real man for a long time.
We should have heeded Jackson's advice. **nononono*
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Oh, please. What was he supposed to do? Knock her away.
No he didn't need to knock her away. It's his leaning in and swooning with closed eyes that turns my stomach @Emjay
I'm rather surprised it pleases you.
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At least he could have had a more manly pose.
I never saw him react with such love before .. even with Laura.
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The Bushes are good people. The Clinton's are corrupt people.
I don't know how you define "good people" @Emjay --- or who in the Bush clan you're blessing with this label. Corruption runs wide and deep in that family tree.
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Seems for some anyone who is critical of the Great Orange One is not a conservative.....
My view of Trump has not changed, he is a huckster and has conned a lot of good people...
He's spent a month flapping his jaws but really nothing of significance has been accomplished...other than laying the groundwork for blaming others when his promises can't be kept.
If Trump is the face of conservatism in the USA in 2017 then I'm not a conservative as I'm embarrassed to be associated with the idjiot.. :shrug:
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I never saw him react with such love before .. even with Laura.
Are you talking about W or the manly figure next to him?
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Another fake conservative smoked out. Did W say one word critical of Obama? Ever?
Bush was "smoked out" as early as 2001 and again later in 2007 when he ignored conservative opposition to his amnesty and said, "See you at the bill signing".
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Never.
On the other hand now I don't feel so bad about bashing the knucklehead.
Yeah, me too, he's making it really hard to want to even try pointing out any good things he did, eight years of I'm not gonna comment, I'm retired, which I could respect. But now when there is a Republican President, now he feels it is right to criticize the sitting President?
Shut up George, ride your bike, paint your pictures, go support the troops. That's it George, shut up and go support the troops then I can at least have some tolerance.
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Thank you for one of the few sensible posts on this thread. Is everybody crazy now?
In a word........ YES.
Thanks for your posts here, @Emjay
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Bush was "smoked out" as early as 2001 and again later in 2007 when he ignored conservative opposition to his amnesty and said, "See you at the bill signing".
Anyone who did their homework knew he wasn't an across the board conservative in 2000 or before.
If you voted for him thinking he would be completely conservative, you were ill informed.
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Who said he was a conservative? I like the guy, but we knew way back that he was no conservative.
Glad I caught your post @Sanguine.
I STILL like the guy, but the idea that he was an across the board conservative is silly. He NEVER was.
But he's a good man. Period.
And the idea that his words here were "opening up on Trump" is just silly.
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Anyone who did their homework knew he wasn't an across the board conservative in 2000 or before.
If you voted for him thinking he would be completely conservative, you were ill informed.
I have never thought of George W Bush (or any Bush) to be "completely conservative".
I voted for him because the alternative was Al Gore.
My regretful part in putting the liberal turd Bush in the White House is why I refused to vote for the New York liberal Donald Trump.
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George W. Bush opens up on Trump's war with the media, Russia and travel ban
http://www.today.com/news/george-w-bush-opens-trump-s-war-media-russia-travel-t108627
In a wide-ranging interview that shied away from directly criticizing the current commander in chief, former President George W. Bush said it's critical for the media to hold accountable “people who abuse their power." He also said he favored an immigration policy that was more "welcoming."
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hmmmmmm
Fake news.
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Fake news.
Sure looks like it. I don't see any "opening up".
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Sure looks like it. I don't see any "opening up".
Nope. The headline doesn't match the story.
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Nope. The headline doesn't match the story.
Lot of that going round.
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Lot of that going round.
But the term 'fake" only seems to be applied by a certain few only to stories that portray Trump in anything less than a 100% positive light.
Some people here need to brush up on the tale of Peter and the Wolf.
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Nope. The headline doesn't match the story.
Duh. Those committed to and engaged in the War on Trump are not interested in accuracy or fairness.
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Duh. Those committed a tond engaged in the War on Trump are not interested in accuracy or fairness.
You ever read the story of Peter and The Wolf?
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That's a big fat lie. The Bushes are good people. The Clinton's are corrupt people.
I suppose that if you are an anti-American globalist then yes the Bushs' are good people.
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That's a big fat lie. The Bushes are good people. The Clinton's are corrupt people.
Agreed!
And.....btw.....I would vote for you as President. :laugh:
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I don't know how you define "good people" @Emjay --- or who in the Bush clan you're blessing with this label. Corruption runs wide and deep in that family tree.
You sound a bit nutty here. I define good as people who live good lives. Both 41 and 43 have been good family men with lifelong love for their wives. They have both served their country well.
HWB was a war hero. There is no corruption in that family at all, unless you describe corruption as somebody you don't agree with on everything.
If you want corruption, you've got it with your current leader.
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You ever read the story of Peter and The Wolf?
Pray tell who each of the characters in that tale in the current situation?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_and_the_Wolf
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You sound a bit nutty here.
This is a pretty good thread. Please do not start up with that.
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At least he could have had a more manly pose.
George W. Bush was one of our more 'manly' presidents. He and his father and Reagan come to mind as manly men. I could probably find a picture of you that is not flattering if I bothered to look.
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I can't remember ever voting for anyone. It's always best choice or who seems the best choice.
Is no one here willing to 'man up' and admit they voted FOR someone. I voted FOR a lot of people, sometimes it was a mistake. But I voted for Reagan and both Bushes ... and, well, okay, I did vote against Hillary.
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This is a pretty good thread. Please do not start up with that.
C'mon, Don. I have waded through a lot of totally weird posts here and calling someone nutty is pretty mild.
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"Go Get 'Em": George W. Bush says ISIS can be degraded and defeated. Watch the interview all this week at 10pm ET on #Hannity.
from twitter
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Is no one here willing to 'man up' and admit they voted FOR someone. I voted FOR a lot of people, sometimes it was a mistake. But I voted for Reagan and both Bushes ... and, well, okay, I did vote against Hillary.
Trump was the first one I voted FOR since Reagan.
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from twitter
Good thread Don. Not defending Bush, he turned out to be a squish , even though I voted for him and all the others, including W's dad both times.
Note that Trump has changed the rules of engagement and we captured the southern most bridge on the on Tigris river in Mosul. Bush and Obama had ROE that hampered the effort in Iraq.
And Trump is not talking about Iraq much either, except his restating commitment to defeating ISIS (not ISIL)
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So did I and that was in New York where my vote didn't count. It was him or Gore, him or Kerry.
Right. And once again, that was no choice at all.
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Emjay, I hope I didn't give the impression that I was turning against the guy. I voted for him for governor, and twice for Pres. But - I knew what we were getting to a great extent. I did not anticipate the vast increase in federal spending and I didn't anticipate that GW would just slow federal enforcement of migrant laws to the extent that he did. I figured he would be a fairly non-harmful middle of the road kind of president and one who would be vastly superior to Al Gore or John Kerry. I was surprised by how far left he went.
So was I. In fact, his entire second term surprised the hell out of me. It was almost like there were "two" Bushes. He changed. And not for the better.
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Trump was the first one I voted FOR since Reagan.
I felt good about voting for papa Bush in 88-- compared to kitty 'shoe polish' Dukakis.
I have to say voting for Trump on the conservative ticket in NYC felt pretty good.
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Pray tell who each of the characters in that tale in the current situation?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_and_the_Wolf
Everyone around here that keeps crying "fake news" on every article that's not 100% glowing about Trump or where the headline doesn't exactly match the story star in the role of Peter.
And when there actually is a case of honest to God fake news (think Rather-gate) no one is going listen and or believe it.
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Duh. Those committed to and engaged in the War on Trump are not interested in accuracy or fairness.
That was just one of the things wrong with what you called a good thread until I ruined it by getting nasty.
The other things were renewing of old grudges, hyperbole and general over-reaction and nastiness.
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That was just one of the things wrong with what you called a good thread until I ruined it by getting nasty.
The other things were renewing of old grudges, hyperbole and general over-reaction and nastiness.
IOW, same sh*t....different day. :laugh:
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That was just one of the things wrong with what you called a good thread until I ruined it by getting nasty.
The other things were renewing of old grudges, hyperbole and general over-reaction and nastiness.
Your opinions are fact based Emjay, even when we disagree.
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You sound a bit nutty here. I define good as people who live good lives. Both 41 and 43 have been good family men with lifelong love for their wives.
Putting aside your snide :bs: @Emjay --- Everyone I know fits your definition of good people. I wouldn't want any of them running the country.
A good man does not always make a good leader. Just ask the survivors of Bush's ill-conceived foray into Iraq. Just take a look at what has filled Saddam's void.
A good man does not guarantee a leader strong enough to match a belligerent press and strengthen the brand of the political party he leads in the process. Just ask the beneficiary: Barack Obama.
HWB was a war hero.
So was John McCain ... and I want him in a straightjacket. So is my nephew ... and I don't want him in the WH either.
There is no corruption in that family at all, unless you describe corruption as somebody you don't agree with on everything.
I'd like you to stop insulting me and the best way for you to do this is to educate yourself: Google the Bush clan's grandfather and the "other" Bush boys.
If you want corruption, you've got it with your current leader.
Now you're just reaching for straws .... and once again, you have missed. Hopefully, you'll tire of it.
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I'm tired of it now.
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RIV is about the nicest person on this board, so she should be President.
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RIV is about the nicest person on this board, so she should be President.
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Putting aside your snide :bs: @Emjay --- Everyone I know fits your definition of good people. I wouldn't want any of them running the country.
A good man does not always make a good leader. Just ask the survivors of Bush's ill-conceived foray into Iraq. Just take a look at what has filled Saddam's void.
A good man does not guarantee a leader strong enough to match a belligerent press and strengthen the brand of the political party he leads in the process. Just ask the beneficiary: Barack Obama.
So was John McCain ... and I want him in a straightjacket. So is my nephew ... and I don't want him in the WH either.
I'd like you to stop insulting me and the best way for you to do this is to educate yourself: Google the Bush clan's grandfather and the "other" Bush boys.
Now you're just reaching for straws .... and once again, you have missed. Hopefully, you'll tire of it.
Oh, please. My BS was not at all snide. I thought it was quite lovely. Your BS, on the other hand, is deplorable.
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Just heard his soundbyte on talk radio and he basically said we need the media to hold people 'like him' accountable. Like.... when Dan Rather held him accountable for having been AWOL...? Bush is another sellout. I voted for him twice. He let us down, just as his father did.
@XenaLee
That's pretty much where I am, too. I was a political naif in 2000---just starting to get interested in politics. I thought GW was a solid conservative and I was happy to vote for him at the time, and again in 2004. I've learned since then, however. There really isn't any denying that he's an open borders guy...man, I hated the way he cozied up to Vincenze Fox. And then, of course, there he was in 2008---"I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market."
I do appreciate W's work with veterans, and I'm glad he was in the Oval Office on 9-11 instead of, God help us, Al Gore. But I'm not a fan.
During the campaign, he remarked that he just doesn't like Ted Cruz. Well, of course not. Cruz was solicitor general of Texas when Bush, as president, stepped in and tried to overturn the death penalty for Jose Medellin. Bush did so at the request of the "World Court."
Medellin had been convicted for the rapes and murders of two young girls in Texas. He was a member of the gang which raped the girls every way a woman can BE raped for over an hour. After that, one of the girls was strangled with a belt, which broke, so they finished the job with shoelaces. The other girl was also choked with the laces. One of them had her teeth knocked out before she died, and both of them had their necks stomped to make sure they were dead.
Cruz argued before the Supreme Court that the president had no right to intervene, and won.
Before I read about that case, I always thought Bush was a decent man, but what kind of man tries to save such a person in order to please some foreigners? I mean, seriously, what am I supposed to think? Can you imagine how the parents of those girls must have felt at the time?
As for the Bush women, they're all pro-abortion, which is enough said, IMO. I have no use for that.
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@XenaLee
That's pretty much where I am, too. I was a political naif in 2000---just starting to get interested in politics. I thought GW was a solid conservative and I was happy to vote for him at the time, and again in 2004. I've learned since then, however. There really isn't any denying that he's an open borders guy...man, I hated the way he cozied up to Vincenze Fox. And then, of course, there he was in 2008---"I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market."
I do appreciate W's work with veterans, and I'm glad he was in the Oval Office on 9-11 instead of, God help us, Al Gore. But I'm not a fan.
During the campaign, he remarked that he just doesn't like Ted Cruz. Well, of course not. Cruz was solicitor general of Texas when Bush, as president, stepped in and tried to overturn the death penalty for Jose Medellin. Bush did so at the request of the "World Court."
Medellin had been convicted for the rapes and murders of two young girls in Texas. He was a member of the gang which raped the girls every way a woman can BE raped for over an hour. After that, one of the girls was strangled with a belt, which broke, so they finished the job with shoelaces. The other girl was also choked with the laces. One of them had her teeth knocked out before she died, and both of them had their necks stomped to make sure they were dead.
Cruz argued before the Supreme Court that the president had no right to intervene, and won.
Before I read about that case, I always thought Bush was a decent man, but what kind of man tries to save such a person in order to please some foreigners? I mean, seriously, what am I supposed to think? Can you imagine how the parents of those girls must have felt at the time?
As for the Bush women, they're all pro-abortion, which is enough said, IMO. I have no use for that.
I hate to sound so harsh, but.... truth is.... I am FTFU with being let down and yes, fooled, by these power-seeking politicians. And if/when any of them goes back on their word, lets us down or veers left, I will call any and all of them out on it. This latest BS from Bush about the same media that literally crucified him for nine freaking years is the final straw. Like I said.... he is dead to me now.
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G.W. Bush...
...turned out to be a great disappointment.
Can't really think of much more to say...
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G.W. Bush...
...turned out to be a great disappointment.
Can't really think of much more to say...
He never stabbed those of us in the military in the back like the idiot that came after him. He always did right by us.
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G.W. Bush...
...turned out to be a great disappointment.
Can't really think of much more to say...
Absolutely! And I blame a lot of that on Karl Rove and Karen Hughes!
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He never stabbed those of us in the military in the back like the idiot that came after him. He always did right by us.
IMHO, when your commander gets you into unwinable wars that goes on for decades, he has not done right by you.
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He never stabbed those of us in the military in the back like the idiot that came after him. He always did right by us.
Obama was a level of bottom feeding garbage not seen before. On the broad scope of things though, Bush stank.
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When your commander gets you into unwinable wars that goes on for decades, he has not done right by you.
I guess you blame Truman for getting us into an "endless war" in Europe and Asia too since we're still in both places 70+ years later huh?
What you and some of the bitter clingers and antiwar.com types can bitch and moan about that all you want to...but it's childish and short sighted.
When you compare the treatment of the military to how we were treated under Clinton and Obama...it's really petty on your part and some others to to use the moronic arguments about Iraq and Afghanistan to try and not give the guy ANY credit.
He did more for the overall morale and well being of the troops and their families since Reagan.
Oh and BTW...Iraq was a win no matter how you looked at it until Obama came along and gave it back to the terrorists...same with Afghanistan.
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Obama was a level of bottom feeding garbage not seen before. On the broad scope of things though, Bush stank.
Yes he sucked eggs on a lot of things...but those of us in Uniform are not one of those areas where he stank.
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IMHO, when your commander gets you into unwinable wars that goes on for decades, he has not done right by you.
There is no such thing as an unwinnable war! It's just a matter of being willing to do what needs to be done to win it!
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There is no such thing as an unwinnable war! It's just a matter of being willing to do what needs to be done to win it!
QFT
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@XenaLee
That's pretty much where I am, too. I was a political naif in 2000---just starting to get interested in politics. I thought GW was a solid conservative and I was happy to vote for him at the time, and again in 2004. I've learned since then, however. There really isn't any denying that he's an open borders guy...man, I hated the way he cozied up to Vincenze Fox. And then, of course, there he was in 2008---"I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market."
I do appreciate W's work with veterans, and I'm glad he was in the Oval Office on 9-11 instead of, God help us, Al Gore. But I'm not a fan.
During the campaign, he remarked that he just doesn't like Ted Cruz. Well, of course not. Cruz was solicitor general of Texas when Bush, as president, stepped in and tried to overturn the death penalty for Jose Medellin. Bush did so at the request of the "World Court."
Medellin had been convicted for the rapes and murders of two young girls in Texas. He was a member of the gang which raped the girls every way a woman can BE raped for over an hour. After that, one of the girls was strangled with a belt, which broke, so they finished the job with shoelaces. The other girl was also choked with the laces. One of them had her teeth knocked out before she died, and both of them had their necks stomped to make sure they were dead.
Cruz argued before the Supreme Court that the president had no right to intervene, and won.
Before I read about that case, I always thought Bush was a decent man, but what kind of man tries to save such a person in order to please some foreigners? I mean, seriously, what am I supposed to think? Can you imagine how the parents of those girls must have felt at the time?
As for the Bush women, they're all pro-abortion, which is enough said, IMO. I have no use for that.
Yes, I think Bush let us down.
Although George H W Bush did contribute to Cruz during his senate campaign, Karl Rove tried to get Cruz to give the money back, as the GOP was backing Dewhurst at the time.
Then W came out last year, during the primaries, and said "I never liked the guy" when referring to Cruz, and I think that was due to the Medellin case. (How dare he, right?). Cruz did the right thing in opposing Bush. I don't think the GOP (at the time) forgave him for that.
I don't believe W has yet.
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Yes he sucked eggs on a lot of things...but those of us in Uniform are not one of those areas where he stank.
Yeah, but you can say the same for Carter and to some extent Clintoon.
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Yeah, but you can say the same for Carter and to some extent Clintoon.
Those two were more covert about how they stabbed us in the back. The political climate wasn't to where either could be as overt in their loathing of the military as Obama was able to be.
Clinton hated us and did what he could at the time to show it. I've talked to officers who were new LT's under Carter and they talk about not having funds for fuel or parts to get tanks out of the motor pool to train.
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I hate to sound so harsh, but.... truth is.... I am FTFU with being let down and yes, fooled, by these power-seeking politicians. And if/when any of them goes back on their word, lets us down or veers left, I will call any and all of them out on it. This latest BS from Bush about the same media that literally crucified him for nine freaking years is the final straw. Like I said.... he is dead to me now.
@XenaLee
Nope, I get what you mean. Trust me.
I mean, as much as I love and adore my husband, I call him out on things (and vice versa). We all do the same with our spouses, I'm sure. I'm definitely not going to shrink from criticism of a politician if I think he deserves it.
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Yes, I think Bush let us down.
Although George H W Bush did contribute to Cruz during his senate campaign, Karl Rove tried to get Cruz to give the money back, as the GOP was backing Dewhurst at the time.
Then W came out last year, during the primaries, and said "I never liked the guy" when referring to Cruz, and I think that was due to the Medellin case. (How dare he, right?). Cruz did the right thing in opposing Bush. I don't think the GOP (at the time) forgave him for that.
I don't believe W has yet.
@GrouchoTex
I think you're right, and it's a shame. Anyone with a moral compass should have understood Medellin needed to die. To this day, I can't imagine what W was thinking.
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Maybe to you but she's a bitch to some people.
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I guess you blame Truman for getting us into an "endless war" in Europe and Asia too since we're still in both places 70+ years later huh?
What you and some of the bitter clingers and antiwar.com types can bitch and moan about that all you want to...but it's childish and short sighted.
When you compare the treatment of the military to how we were treated under Clinton and Obama...it's really petty on your part and some others to to use the moronic arguments about Iraq and Afghanistan to try and not give the guy ANY credit.
He did more for the overall morale and well being of the troops and their families since Reagan.
Oh and BTW...Iraq was a win no matter how you looked at it until Obama came along and gave it back to the terrorists...same with Afghanistan.
Gotta give that a thumbs up.
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@XenaLee
Nope, I get what you mean. Trust me.
I mean, as much as I love and adore my husband, I call him out on things (and vice versa). We all do the same with our spouses, I'm sure. I'm definitely not going to shrink from criticism of a politician if I think he deserves it.
I'm not either but I am gonna give him a chance and not whine over every little personality quirk that offends me. I'd stay offended .... not a good way to live.
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Yes he sucked eggs on a lot of things...but those of us in Uniform are not one of those areas where he stank.
Glad to know you speak for all of those who have served. :patriot:
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Yeah, but you can say the same for Carter and to some extent Clintoon.
You called Trump the worse of names, figured you for a liberal democrat. Pretty inconsistent.
And who calls other names at saying something not a quarter as bad.
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Maybe to you but she's a bitch to some people.
Never had any issue/problem/fight with @Right_in_Virginia since the joint opened back in May 2009.
In addition to the several other forums 'we've' evolved from , before TBR...with many of the old gang here.
:patriot:
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@sneakypete
SP is totally wary of the Bushes. I guess we can choose whom we find persuasive, not that someone talks for all.
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@GrouchoTex
I think you're right, and it's a shame. Anyone with a moral compass should have understood Medellin needed to die. To this day, I can't imagine what W was thinking.
@CatherineofAragon
He was putting to much emphasize on his 'Friendship' with Vicente Fox, unfortunately.
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I'm not either but I am gonna give him a chance and not whine over every little personality quirk that offends me. I'd stay offended .... not a good way to live.
@Emjay
Well, to say I worry daily about Bush would be a heck of an overstatement. None of these politicians have anything to do with my life. But I can't rationalize his attempt to get that filthy rapist and murderer of young girls off death row, nor will I try. I'm not that invested in him.
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@CatherineofAragon
He was putting to much emphasize on his 'Friendship' with Vicente Fox, unfortunately.
@corbe
I don't doubt it a bit.
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Gotta give that a thumbs up.
@Emjay
@LateForLunch lays it out pretty damn clear here, also.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,251708.msg1246001.html#msg1246001 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,251708.msg1246001.html#msg1246001)
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@sneakypete
SP is totally wary of the Bushes. I guess we can choose whom we find persuasive, not that someone talks for all.
@TomSea
I guess that's one way of putting it. Another is they are all mama's boy wusses and traitors.
Babs is the only man in the damn family,and she's their handler.
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@Emjay
Well, to say I worry daily about Bush would be a heck of an overstatement. None of these politicians have anything to do with my life. But I can't rationalize his attempt to get that filthy rapist and murderer of young girls off death row, nor will I try. I'm not that invested in him.
Good for you, but I was talking about Trump.
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Good for you, but I was talking about Trump.
@Emjay
I was discussing Bush in the post you responded to.
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@Emjay
I was discussing Bush in the post you responded to.
Well, bless your heart then.
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Mexico stands proudly with Bush.
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@TomSea
I guess that's one way of putting it. Another is they are all mama's boy wusses and traitors.
Babs is the only man in the damn family,and she's their handler.
@sneakypete
Great posts Brother, I really enjoy it. Reading some of your stories reminds me of when I was in school still yet, there was this movie where this Native American fellow I believe was an ex-Green Beret and he was out there, per the movie I believe in a remote area of California but it almost could have passed for Colorado or the 4 corners region. And he was real proficient at Martial Arts, Kung Fu, Karate, I'm not sure which. I enjoyed it and it's part of a series actually, I caught one of the other movies too once.
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Maybe to you but she's a bitch to some people.
You really are quite ugly when you lose a debate @Emjay I'll admit I'm a little surprised --- I thought you were better than this. **nononono*
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Well, bless your heart then.
@Emjay
Why, thank you.
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You really are quite ugly when you lose a debate @Emjay I'll admit I'm a little surprised --- I thought you were better than this. **nononono*
Better than what? RIV was ticked at something I said ... I don't even remember what and she posted a snide and snotty post to me. Was I supposed to appreciate it? Nobody told me that.
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You can stop digging @Emjay
This no longer interests me.
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You can stop digging @Emjay
This no longer interests me.
Oh, no. Now I am boring. Oh, well.
It's funny how so many people profess no interest in George W. Bush and yet any post about him goes a whole bunch of pages. The same is true of Ted Cruz.
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Emjay has very thoughtful postings, let's not criticize. We all get heated under the collar and I've seen her take some unfair flak in the past.
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Oh, no. Now I am boring. Oh, well.
It's funny how so many people profess no interest in George W. Bush and yet any post about him goes a whole bunch of pages. The same is true of Ted Cruz.
@Emjay
I'm trying to figure out how people that never post anything of relevance or engage in meaningful debate on the topics....seems to get bored with the posts of others so easily.
Are we using words that are too big? :shrug:
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@Emjay
I'm trying to figure out how people that never post anything of relevance or engage in meaningful debate on the topics....seems to get bored with the posts of others so easily.
Are we using words that are too big? :shrug:
@txradioguy
No,just words that consist entirely of hot air with no substance.
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@sneakypete is an internet tough guy:
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All this debate just because of a phony headline about a gracious man who is supporting our veterans. :shrug:
Just a single thought here........ can anyone name a President who was more conservative that George W. Bush, other than Reagan in any of our lifetimes? Nixon? Eisenhower? Ford? Bush I? How about guys who ran and lost? Dole? McCain? Romney?
Yes, he disappointed, and even angered almost all of us in his second term, but is he really the monster some describe here?
I'd just like a little realism on the subject. @txradioguy has talked about his total support of the troops, during and since his Presidency. I would also like to add that he never, ever wavered in his support for the unborn, and a culture of life.
History will judge George W. Bush far better than conservative political forums have done.
At any rate, this is a stupid headline. Bush never "opened up" on anyone. And he never will.
Stop being so hyper sensitive, Trumpers.
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@sneakypete is an internet tough guy:
Who's got a man-crush on W. 888heartkitty
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Who's got a man-crush on W. 888heartkitty
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All this debate just because of a phony headline about a gracious man who is supporting our veterans. :shrug:
Just a single thought here........ can anyone name a President who was more conservative that George W. Bush, other than Reagan in any of our lifetimes? Nixon? Eisenhower? Ford? Bush I? How about guys who ran and lost? Dole? McCain? Romney?
Yes, he disappointed, and even angered almost all of us in his second term, but is he really the monster some describe here?
I'd just like a little realism on the subject. @txradioguy has talked about his total support of the troops, during and since his Presidency. I would also like to add that he never, ever wavered in his support for the unborn, and a culture of life.
History will judge George W. Bush far better than conservative political forums have done.
At any rate, this is a stupid headline. Bush never "opened up" on anyone. And he never will.
Stop being so hyper sensitive, Trumpers.
@musiclady
I know the man personally as well as all of the major players on his team. He is the only person to have been president that I can say that about. He was a GREAT governor of Texas but continued to rely on the same people as his advisors as president. Those people were WAY out of their death at that level and thus ruined his presidency.
Like it or not that is my take on it.
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@musiclady
I know the man personally as well as all of the major players on his team. He is the only person to have been president that I can say that about. He was a GREAT governor of Texas but continued to rely on the same people as his advisors as president. Those people were WAY out of their death at that level and thus ruined his presidency.
Like it or not that is my take on it.
I actually agree with that, Bigun. He got very bad advice and I think probably went against his instincts. I also think that the fight against terrorism wore him out. (JMO)
But I still think that, historically, he will be judged fairly, and that will not include emotional disappointment that he "let us down."
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All this debate just because of a phony headline about a gracious man who is supporting our veterans. :shrug:
Just a single thought here........ can anyone name a President who was more conservative that George W. Bush, other than Reagan in any of our lifetimes? Nixon? Eisenhower? Ford? Bush I? How about guys who ran and lost? Dole? McCain? Romney?
Yes, he disappointed, and even angered almost all of us in his second term, but is he really the monster some describe here?
I'd just like a little realism on the subject. @txradioguy has talked about his total support of the troops, during and since his Presidency. I would also like to add that he never, ever wavered in his support for the unborn, and a culture of life.
History will judge George W. Bush far better than conservative political forums have done.
At any rate, this is a stupid headline. Bush never "opened up" on anyone. And he never will.
Stop being so hyper sensitive, Trumpers.
Exactly right, Music Lady. Thank you so much for a truly good post about a good man.
The only reason he's been in the 'spotlight' at all lately is because of his efforts to support the troops. Anytime he gets in the crosshairs of the media, they WILL try to embarrass him and try to get him to say things they can later exploit. I'd say he does a pretty good job of deflecting, but try telling anything to Trumpers.
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Exactly right, Music Lady. Thank you so much for a truly good post about a good man.
The only reason he's been in the 'spotlight' at all lately is because of his efforts to support the troops. Anytime he gets in the crosshairs of the media, they WILL try to embarrass him and try to get him to say things they can later exploit. I'd say he does a pretty good job of deflecting, but try telling anything to Trumpers.
'Love' me some Sneakypete! He's "DA MAN"!!
Also love the hell out of George W. Bush, too!
And like what used to be 'normal' around here....one has nothing to do with the other. :laugh:
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Exactly right, Music Lady. Thank you so much for a truly good post about a good man.
The only reason he's been in the 'spotlight' at all lately is because of his efforts to support the troops. Anytime he gets in the crosshairs of the media, they WILL try to embarrass him and try to get him to say things they can later exploit. I'd say he does a pretty good job of deflecting, but try telling anything to Trumpers.
Of course that's what's happening. The media ALWAYS wants to embarrass him, and every Republican.
You'd think they'd figure that out by now.
Ever since he left office, George W. has minded his own business, worked hard for our military, worked for the freedom of oppressed people around the world (especially Christians), and lived out his faith.
That makes him a target of the left. The left can't stand genuine goodness.
I appreciate any rational discussion when it's relevant, but the phony headline and trying to make something out of nothing is, IMO, not appropriate.
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@sneakypete
Great posts Brother, I really enjoy it. Reading some of your stories reminds me of when I was in school still yet, there was this movie where this Native American fellow I believe was an ex-Green Beret and he was out there, per the movie I believe in a remote area of California but it almost could have passed for Colorado or the 4 corners region. And he was real proficient at Martial Arts, Kung Fu, Karate, I'm not sure which. I enjoyed it and it's part of a series actually, I caught one of the other movies too once.
@TomSea
Billy Jack?
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@musiclady
I know the man personally as well as all of the major players on his team. He is the only person to have been president that I can say that about. He was a GREAT governor of Texas but continued to rely on the same people as his advisors as president. Those people were WAY out of their death at that level and thus ruined his presidency.
Like it or not that is my take on it.
@Bigun
MY take is that he is and was a well-meaning nice guy that was totally over his head in the WH,and on top of that a mama's boy that just followed orders without understanding the end results. Nice guy,horrible president.
I am giving him the benefit of the doubt over invading Iraq and hanging Hussein. IMHO,he was just flat-out too freaking stupid to understand what he was doing other than following the orders of his handlers,who were and are a truly evil pack of treasonous bastards who would pimp out their mama's for a fresh 50 dollar bill.
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@TomSea
Billy Jack?
(http://www.backfirealley.com/files/billy-jack-motorcycle.png)
:silly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVX-voqWuwY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVX-voqWuwY)
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There is plenty to criticize Bush on. But the interview was done with class. He didn't bash Trump he stuck to what he thinks. I didn't hear him say Trump was doing this or that wrong.
There is plenty to criticize Trump for also. It is up to every one of us to form an opinion. Do you think that we should have taken the oil. My personal beef with Bush was that we allowed them to institute a Constitution recognizing Sharia Law in Iraq. Sharia the basis used for attacking us on 9/11. We fought and died in Iraq. I supported it. Saddam was a threat and he also was funding terrorism. But to allow them to base a government on the very thing that causes terrorism doesn't make sense.
Clinton should have done something beside allowing women and children to starve under the corrupt UN Oil For Food. Wasting our money on no fly zones and UN inspections. Did he have WMDs? Didn't he gas all those Kurds and didn't they find mass graves in the deserts of Iraq. Support or not we made the decision to go in and remove Saddam. Obama pulled out the troops and left Iraq to ISIS.
I also didn't like how Bush pandered to President Fox on illegal immigration and Amnesty. I had a love/hate view of Bush.
Probably likely I will have a love/hate of Trump too. But Trumps issues should be examined according to what he does. We are all capable. But Bush did the interview with class.
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Another fake conservative smoked out. Did W say one word critical of Obama? Ever?
He pretty much kept his mouth shut for the last 8 years, he can continue to do so as far as I am concerned. He had plenty of time to speak out against all sorts of abuses of the office, and now he seeks relevance. Thank you for your service, 'W', but there is new management in Washington, and you lost your opportunity for relevance during the last administration. (No, we didn't want your brother, either, and the dream of dynasty is over.)
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Bush made a few mild comments about Obama.
It's just that most people prefer to forget them.
He's a gracious man. He always has been and he always will be.