The same can be said of the NYT's and the MSM against Trump..
The CIA and FBI have high confidence in the judgment, while the National Security Agency has moderate confidence, the report acknowledges.
The report — devoid of a “smoking gun” —
The same can be said of the NYT's and the MSM against Trump..
But they aren't a foreign nation.
Here is the report, I suggest that folks read all of it.
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
But they aren't a foreign nation.
Here is the report, I suggest that folks read all of it.
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
"Russian intelligence obtained and maintained access to elements of multiple US state or local electoral boards. DHS assesses that the types of systems Russian actors targeted or compromised were not involved in vote tallying.
Russia’s state-run propaganda machine contributed to the influence campaign by serving as a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences.
We assess Moscow will apply lessons learned from its Putin-ordered campaign aimed at the US presidential election to future influence efforts worldwide, including against US allies and their election processes."
Oh, well, what are we worried about then? Nothing amiss here.
Its the kind of crap they played in Ukraine with Trump pal Paul Manafort representing pro Putin pols.
Obama ordered election interference to help Netanyahu's opponent. :whistle:
But they aren't a foreign nation.I find it worse that our own media would try to rig an election than a foreign government would. I expect it from a foreign government. I should not have to worry about it from our own supposed media. :shrug:
Here is the report, I suggest that folks read all of it.
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
I find it worse that our own media would try to rig an election than a foreign government would. I expect it from a foreign government. I should not have to worry about it from our own supposed media. :shrug:
Obama ordered election interference to help Netanyahu's opponent. :whistle:
So did Bill Clinton in 1999--and Bill was successful.
@DCPatriot
I find it worse that our own media would try to rig an election than a foreign government would. I expect it from a foreign government. I should not have to worry about it from our own supposed media. :shrug:
Now the question is boils down to this.
Did you think Clinton and Obama's interference was right?
And if not, why are you supporting such an action now?
'Cause it looks very much like you don't have a problem with it, as long as it comes from your guy or helps your guy.
"If you can't beat them, join them" is not a statement of victory, its a statement of defeat.
Now the question is boils down to this. Did you think Clinton and Obama's interference was right?I still don't know what the Russians did @HonestJohn . And until that's cleared up, I can't decipher political spin from truth. When I have enough facts to do this ... I'll be able to answer your question.
And if not, why are you supporting such an action now?
'Cause it looks very much like you don't have a problem with it, as long as it comes from your guy or helps your guy.I've address the first part of this statement. As for the "your guy" comment, let me remind you PE Trump is "our guy" now.
But they aren't a foreign nation.
Here is the report, I suggest that folks read all of it.
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
Gimme a break!
You actually believe the Russian Communists hacked into the election process in order to assist the American free-market Capitalists defeat the American Communists??
:whistle:
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Now the question is boils down to this.Let me know when the Donald is accussed of interfering in a foreign election, then we'll talk. Our government has know business complaining about other governments when we do the same thing. The media is the same. They had no problem when Obama and Chester the Molester did it so their opinion of Russia doing it matters not at all.
Did you think Clinton and Obama's interference was right?
And if not, why are you supporting such an action now?
'Cause it looks very much like you don't have a problem with it, as long as it comes from your guy or helps your guy.
Gimme a break!
You actually believe the Russian Communists hacked into the election process in order to assist the American free-market Capitalists defeat the American Communists??
:whistle:
Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
By Katie Bo Williams - 01/06/17 03:59 PM EST
Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a widespread influence campaign intended to help elect Donald Trump, the intelligence community said in a declassified report released Friday afternoon.
“Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary [Hillary] Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump,” the report reads.
“We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him.”
more
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/313108-declassified-report-putin-ordered-election-interference-to-help
I suggest that you point out to me in that 25 page (15 of which are cover sheets and BS) where there is a direct connection between the hacking and the Soviets. I can't find it. As a matter of fact the thing is full of hedges about not being able to fully discuss the particulars. I also can't find any mention of them going through the DNC servers. One would think that would be paramount to coming up with exactly what happened there.
I'm gonna go with your assessment since you apparently had the time and stomach to read it.
He didn't. Do yourself a favor and read it yourself.
No. I don't have the patience to read through government documents full of BS and hedging. And I don't care.
I'm just shaking my head at what "conservatives" have become.Conservatives have wisely grown up and realized that both our government and our intelligence departments are not always to be trusted. Obama has taught us that.
Conservatives have wisely grown up and realized that both our government and our intelligence departments are not always to be trusted. Obama has taught us that.
He didn't. Do yourself a favor and read it yourself.
Not being smug here; but I'm assuming that you've read through it? If so, please, I'd like to hear your synopsis and opinion.
You really need to read it yourself.
There was hacking of election infrastructure but it doesn't appear that any votes were affected HOWEVER it was a multifaceted attack involving heavy propaganda by way of youtube, fake pro trump news stories originating in eastern Europe,, trolls and trollbots all over social media as well as using wikileaks and anonymous. They conclude that it was the largest and most intense sustained attack of this type ever run against the USA.
Funny thing is that wikileaks suddenly found that they don't like leaks after handing out classified info like candy for a few years now and then they turned around and threatened to expose verified users on twitter who tend to be celebrities, politicians and journalists.
Frankly people who think they can just laugh off a Russian attempt to undermine our constitution and electoral system are traitors in my book.
You do know posting stuff like that makes you look stupid.
Trump is not a free-market capitalist. He believes in using eminent domain for private gain and in tariffs, and he has (unconstitutionally) threatened companies with selective tariffs since he was elected. Those are not free-market approaches.
The report states that the Russians believed Hillary would win. Their goal was to weaken her administration by publicizing embarrassing information.
The Democrats and mainstream media are clearly using this to build their "narrative" that Trump's election is illegitimate. One can recognize and condemn that without dragging the US Intel community into the same morass of vainglorious accusations and insults Trump drags everyone else into when they don't serve his agenda.
These vaunted "intelligence agencies" gave a pass to the Ft. Lauderdale shooter.
Earlier they bungled the Bay of Pigs, failed to forecast the fall of the USSR, failed to deter the 9-11-2001 attacks, etc.
So failures and mistakes are their norm.
This report is more garbage by a bunch of Regime hacks....
All they say in the report is that they THINK Putin didn't like Hitlary because he disparaged her. Hell, most of the world doesn;t like this crooked old broad. She is a disaster.
Hell, most of the world doesn;t like this crooked old broad. She is a disaster.:thumbsup:
You really need to read it yourself.
There was hacking of election infrastructure but it doesn't appear that any votes were affected HOWEVER it was a multifaceted attack involving heavy propaganda by way of youtube, fake pro trump news stories originating in eastern Europe,, trolls and trollbots all over social media as well as using wikileaks and anonymous. They conclude that it was the largest and most intense sustained attack of this type ever run against the USA.
Funny thing is that wikileaks suddenly found that they don't like leaks after handing out classified info like candy for a few years now and then they turned around and threatened to expose verified users on twitter who tend to be celebrities, politicians and journalists.
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Frankly people who think they can just laugh off a Russian attempt to undermine our constitution and electoral system are traitors in my book.
These vaunted "intelligence agencies" gave a pass to the Ft. Lauderdale shooter.
Conservatives have wisely grown up and realized that both our government and our intelligence departments are not always to be trusted. Obama has taught us that.
I'm just shaking my head at what "conservatives" have become.
You do know posting stuff like that makes you look stupid.
@beandog
Shrugging your shoulders and not giving a crap that a hostile foreign power actively interfered in a national election is not "growing up." Don't delude yourself. It's what Steve Deace wrote about recently---allowing politics to rot away your moral judgment and common sense.
Trump would be well advised to double or triple those troops in response to the act of war Russia has committed against America.
Uhhhhhh, no I don't think Americans want to risk millions dead because John Podesta's email was hacked.
Childish Hyperbole based on a lie.
Intentional low info voters who willfully choose ignorance are a dream come true for out of control government.
Anyone who actually reads the report realizes that this is a long way from over and how Trump deals with it will probably determine his future. Trump minimizing the report is not a good sign.
It was an act of war and requires a very strong response. Even Obama has been forced to show a little spine and send troops to Baltic nations. Trump would be well advised to double or triple those troops in response to the act of war Russia has committed against America.
If your post was a horse, we'd have to shoot it. :whistle:
My new cell phone threw this article from the Slimes at me with it's default "Briefing" app. I just disabled the app.
Fake news... the only intent is to somehow plant the insinuation in the mind of the electorate that the ballot box was tampered with.
It's an attempt to delegitimate the election result, because it's "not fair"... it's "rigged".
I heard the very same douchebag whiner shit already... during primary season.
And if this thread were a horse race, you just showed up riding a donkey; your reply says nothing.
@Cripplecreek
From what I've seen just glancing around a little, Paul Ryan and others acknowledge it's a serious issue, so I"m hoping Trump will have a number of voices that will influence him.
If the Russians pulled this once they'll pull it again. I think the report said they are focused on doing just that. You don't have to be a professor of logic to flash forward four years and imagine a
scenario in which they try to influence results to benefit a hapless Sanders type.
Russia wasn't able to succeed in actually affecting the results---this time. What happens if they do succeed next time? Are we going to adopt the view that interference in our elections by a foreign power is fine as long as it might benefit our guy?
I don't care if Russia tried to help put John the Baptist in the White House. This doesn't have a damn thing to do with individual candidates.
The same can be said of the NYT's and the MSM against Trump..
@beandogSo does it make you equally upset that we hack into other country's computers and spy on them? Or is okay that we do it because it's us. I have know problem with other countries doing to us the exact same thing we do to them. It is our job to make sure they can't harm us. Obviously this wasn't being done.
Shrugging your shoulders and not giving a crap that a hostile foreign power actively interfered in a national election is not "growing up." Don't delude yourself. It's what Steve Deace wrote about recently---allowing politics to rot away your moral judgment and common sense.
Obie blatantly interfered in the Israeli election. Obie sent his America haters to Egypt to push for the overthrow of that government in favor of the Muslim Brotherhood. They used social media to stoke unrest.
l have know problem with other countries doing to us the exact same thing we do to them.
So does it make you equally upset that we hack into other country's computers and spy on them? Or is okay that we do it because it's us. I have know problem with other countries doing to us the exact same thing we do to them. It is our job to make sure they can't harm us. Obviously this wasn't being done.
The Beast's campaign left themselves wide open to what happened to them. The Donald had nothing to do with it. She deserved it.
@HoustonSam
How could I, when your very first sentence was telling us Trump is no Capitalist? How does one respond to that?
Threatening to use tariffs, etc., to keep American jobs here, doesn't translate into not being a Capitalist. Not when you're looking out for 330+ million Americans.
You argued that Communists would not favor a free-market Capitalist. Trump is not a free market Capitalist because he advocates government interference with the free flow of capital in the form of tariffs. Maybe that's a good idea if it protects American jobs but it's not free-market Capitalism. Furthermore the Russians have not been Communists since Gorbachev. I notice you drop any reference to Trump's attempt to enrich himself through eminent domain.
Trump is right that the Democrats and media are running a witch hunt. But perpetuating the myth of Trump's infallibility by damaging the credibility of the US Intel community and excusing an adversary of the US for trying to subvert an election, especially with a counter-factual argument that is 25 years out of date, just makes you look bad.
@HoustonSam "Eminent Domain" in this conversation is nothing but a backyard squirrel, and I'm not playing.
Eminent Domain is a necessary tool to revive local economies.
The people who are forced to give up their real estate are fully compensated according to the present market.
@HoustonSam "Eminent Domain" in this conversation is nothing but a backyard squirrel, and I'm not playing.
Eminent Domain is a necessary tool to revive local economies.
The people who are forced to give up their real estate are fully compensated according to the present market.
I'm just shaking my head at what "conservatives" have become.
Threatening to use tariffs, etc., to keep American jobs here, doesn't translate into not being a Capitalist.
Not when you're looking out for 330+ million Americans.
Thats not the hill to die on, DC.
Kelo was unarguably bad news for the liberty minded.
You just did play.
It's called "Eminent" because the public's interest in a joint common asset serving the public good such as a public hospital, transportation asset, or pipeline right-of-way, is understood to be more important than the right of the property owner to refuse to sell.
Just to correct one thing here. The wording of Amendment V says "public use" - not "public good". Big difference.
Kelo is one of the worst decision ever handed down by our Supreme Court. Even Bernie Sanders opposed it. Yet Trump still supports it 100%. And because of that, his supporters who at one time were considered 'Conservatives', do likewise.
There're two considerations here - one, the left is using this incident to try to delegitimize the elections. This is bullish*t. The DNC and Clinton campaign were slaphappy about cybersecurity, as they are blasé about national security, and they got burned. Tough beans.
The other is our attitude towards foreign espionage, which should be something like zero tolerance. Threatening punishment of countries attempting it makes us look inept and silly because as others have pointed out we do much the same. Our focus should be on preventing future incidents.
Our only response should be a resolve to make our systems impregnable.
And us accepting anyone doing it to us makes us even worse than Obama.
Skeeter, I agree, except that the two "systems" that were "hacked" were both private, not governmental systems, and one could argue that the responsibility for the allowing them to be hacked was the responsibility of the DNC andPanettaPodesta. Which they clearly did not take seriously.
You really need to read it yourself.
There was hacking of election infrastructure but it doesn't appear that any votes were affected HOWEVER it was a multifaceted attack involving heavy propaganda by way of youtube, fake pro trump news stories originating in eastern Europe,, trolls and trollbots all over social media as well as using wikileaks and anonymous. They conclude that it was the largest and most intense sustained attack of this type ever run against the USA.
Funny thing is that wikileaks suddenly found that they don't like leaks after handing out classified info like candy for a few years now and then they turned around and threatened to expose verified users on twitter who tend to be celebrities, politicians and journalists.
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Frankly people who think they can just laugh off a Russian attempt to undermine our constitution and electoral system are traitors in my book.
Hmmm... if this is true, what does reposting it make you? :pondering:
USA has been known to assassinate national leaders of foreign countries for many decades.
All this hypocrisy is sickening.
Unfortunately we now have a president who openly praises such crimes, which is how he came to be the beneficiary of such nefarious activity.
IT'S WRONG WRONG WRONG
Great observation Sanguine, the systems which were compromised here really weren't "our" systems.
Your point also throws into sharp relief Obama's failure to take action when FedGov systems *were* hacked (21 million records from OPM by China for example). Only when the Democrat Party was attacked did Obama do anything.
WTF?
I can't think of any foreign leaders we've assassinated.
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Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
By Katie Bo Williams - 01/06/17 03:59 PM EST
Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a widespread influence campaign intended to help elect Donald Trump, the intelligence community said in a declassified report released Friday afternoon.
“Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary [Hillary] Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump,” the report reads.
“We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him.”
more
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/313108-declassified-report-putin-ordered-election-interference-to-help
The same can be said of the NYT's and the MSM against Trump..
I suggest that you point out to me in that 25 page (15 of which are cover sheets and BS) where there is a direct connection between the hacking and the Soviets. I can't find it. As a matter of fact the thing is full of hedges about not being able to fully discuss the particulars. I also can't find any mention of them going through the DNC servers. One would think that would be paramount to coming up with exactly what happened there.
Its the kind of crap they played in Ukraine with Trump pal Paul Manafort representing pro Putin pols.
Trump is not a free-market capitalist. He believes in using eminent domain for private gain and in tariffs, and he has (unconstitutionally) threatened companies with selective tariffs since he was elected. Those are not free-market approaches.
The report states that the Russians believed Hillary would win. Their goal was to weaken her administration by publicizing embarrassing information.
The Democrats and mainstream media are clearly using this to build their "narrative" that Trump's election is illegitimate. One can recognize and condemn that without dragging the US Intel community into the same morass of vainglorious accusations and insults Trump drags everyone else into when they don't serve his agenda.
I'm just shaking my head at what "conservatives" have become.
Thank you for the info. Any attempt to undermine our Constitution and electoral process should be a concern to all of us. What I find surprising and leaves me with numerous questions is evidently their agenda was against Hillary. Clinton stated that Putin had a vendetta against her because of her comments regarding Russia's elections and the protests that followed. I personally find that a little petty and Clinton has been known to lie ... so what's the real reason?? What about all the Clinton e-mails?? IMHO I think it is likely that this isn't the first time, only the first time that it has been given attention.
These vaunted "intelligence agencies" gave a pass to the Ft. Lauderdale shooter.
Earlier they bungled the Bay of Pigs, failed to forecast the fall of the USSR, failed to deter the 9-11-2001 attacks, etc.
So failures and mistakes are their norm.
Please explain what they were supposed to do. Is it a federal offense to be schizophrenic? To watch videos?
@beandog
Shrugging your shoulders and not giving a crap that a hostile foreign power actively interfered in a national election is not "growing up."
He didn't. Do yourself a favor and read it yourself.
@CatherineofAragon
Yeah,it is. This and similar things have been going on ever since people organized into tribes,and will still be going on the day the universe ends.
The mature thing to do is lose the false outrage and come up with counter programs.
Intentional low info voters who willfully choose ignorance are a dream come true for out of control government."
@CripplecreekQuoteAnyone who actually reads the report realizes that this is a long way from over and how Trump deals with it will probably determine his future.
TrueQuoteTrump minimizing the report is not a good sign.
No,it's a GOOD sign. He's not jumping through his ass about it before he is in a position to start doing something about it. Once he is in office and is in a position to do something about it,chances are he will only make public a small part of what was done in order to protect assets and resources. We will be able to tell something was done by what happens 90 days or so after he is sworn in.QuoteIt was an act of war and requires a very strong response.
Drama queen much? Is it really possible you have zero knowledge of world history?QuoteEven Obama has been forced to show a little spine and send troops to Baltic nations. Trump would be well advised to double or triple those troops in response to the act of war Russia has committed against America.
Is that you,Lady "Chicken Hawk" Lindsey?
Uhhhhhh, no I don't think Americans want to risk millions dead because John Podesta's email was hacked.
Childish Hyperbole based on a lie.
Thats not the hill to die on, DC.
Kelo was unarguably bad news for the liberty minded.
Actually, it does.
Ah, so now motive defines the action? That is EXACTLY what liberals do.
@Cripplecreek
@CatherineofAragonQuoteFrom what I've seen just glancing around a little, Paul Ryan and others acknowledge it's a serious issue, so I"m hoping Trump will have a number of voices that will influence him.
It is a serious issue,but on a "serious issues scale of 1 to 10",it rates about a 2.QuoteIf the Russians pulled this once they'll pull it again.
It is documented that the Russians have been pulling this since at least 1917. That was when the communists took over control of Russia. They were actually doing it BEFORE they took control by influencing the American alleged intellectual elite thinkers in our media and universities with their "imagine a world without hate,hunger,or bias!" nonsense. EVERY nation does it.QuoteI think the report said they are focused on doing just that.
The report was written by political hacks that were political appointees who KNEW they were going to be out of a job on 21 January. Do you think there is a tiny possibility they just MIGHT be biased,and were doing this to try to hurt Trump so a Dim could get back in the WH in 2020,and THEY could be back to sucking on the gooberminit tit again?QuoteYou don't have to be a professor of logic to flash forward four years and imagine a scenario in which they try to influence results to benefit a hapless Sanders type.
See? Even you understand what is going on down deep. You just need to do a little more thinking about it to take it to the logical conclusion.QuoteRussia wasn't able to succeed in actually affecting the results---this time.
Really? Where is the proof? Or is the word of Hillary and her supporters/enablers/hanger-on all the evidence you need? Maybe the network talking heads are giving you the "real skinny" on the facts?
*I* THINK it was a case of voters being fed up with the lies of the Dims and the line up of "Usual Suspects" by what passes for a Republican Party because all they have seen out of government since Reagan left office is more and more of the same incompetence and outright corruption they have seen ever since Poppy was elected.
This whole thing amounts to a False Flag operation by the DNC and their alleged Republican brothers to try to hide the fact that the American voters rejected the most corrupt presidential candidate in history,as well as the machine politics that put her AND the usual suspects running against her on center stage again,and shut out the will of the people.
*I* think a good percentage of the Trump voters were protest voters who would have voted for a dead skunk before voting for another Bush or Clinton. IMHO,this is THEIR effort to shut down that realization and hide it in a jumble of accusations of "foreign power influences decided this election" instead of the basic truth that what REALLY affected this election was voter disgust with both branches of the ruling party.
My new cell phone threw this article from the Slimes at me with it's default "Briefing" app. I just disabled the app.
Fake news... the only intent is to somehow plant the insinuation in the mind of the electorate that the ballot box was tampered with.
It's an attempt to delegitimate the election result, because it's "not fair"... it's "rigged".
I heard the very same douchebag whiner shit already... during primary season.
Wrong again moron.
Russia needs to stop pretending they are friends if they want to act this way. You don't see the US and UK behaving this way.
@Cripplecreek
No,you're not. You have no idea what being a conservative in America even means.
USA has been known to assassinate national leaders of foreign countries for many decades.
Bump!
You argued that Communists would not favor a free-market Capitalist. Trump is not a free market Capitalist because he advocates government interference with the free flow of capital in the form of tariffs. Maybe that's a good idea if it protects American jobs but it's not free-market Capitalism.
@Rivergirl
We should have done more of it,starting with Stalin and Hitler.
I don't give a damn about "being fair". When it comes to the survival of America and individual freedoms,all *I* care about is winning because winning literally means surviving.
Just to correct one thing here. The wording of Amendment V says "public use" - not "public good". Big difference.
Kelo is one of the worst decision ever handed down by our Supreme Court. Even Bernie Sanders opposed it. Yet Trump still supports it 100%. And because of that, his supporters who at one time were considered 'Conservatives', do likewise.
And us accepting anyone doing it to us makes us even worse than Obama.
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@sneakypete
Yea, dam the Morals and principles, just win!!!
We get it, in fact we just went through a year of your 'so-called moral indignation.
Please, save us from ourselves /s
@corbe
Frankly I don't give a damn if you or airheads like you survive or not. If you do survive,it is entirely due to luck,not anything you have done to deserve surviving.
@Rivergirl
We should have done more of it,starting with Stalin and Hitler.
I don't give a damn about "being fair". When it comes to the survival of America and individual freedoms,all *I* care about is winning because winning literally means surviving.
It is a serious issue,but on a "serious issues scale of 1 to 10",it rates about a 2.
It is documented that the Russians have been pulling this since at least 1917. That was when the communists took over control of Russia. They were actually doing it BEFORE they took control by influencing the American alleged intellectual elite thinkers in our media and universities with their "imagine a world without hate,hunger,or bias!" nonsense. EVERY nation does it.
The report was written by political hacks that were political appointees who KNEW they were going to be out of a job on 21 January. Do you think there is a tiny possibility they just MIGHT be biased,and were doing this to try to hurt Trump so a Dim could get back in the WH in 2020,and THEY could be back to sucking on the gooberminit tit again?
See? Even you understand what is going on down deep. You just need to do a little more thinking about it to take it to the logical conclusion.
Really? Where is the proof? Or is the word of Hillary and her supporters/enablers/hanger-on all the evidence you need? Maybe the network talking heads are giving you the "real skinny" on the facts?
*I* THINK it was a case of voters being fed up with the lies of the Dims and the line up of "Usual Suspects" by what passes for a Republican Party because all they have seen out of government since Reagan left office is more and more of the same incompetence and outright corruption they have seen ever since Poppy was elected.
This whole thing amounts to a False Flag operation by the DNC and their alleged Republican brothers to try to hide the fact that the American voters rejected the most corrupt presidential candidate in history,as well as the machine politics that put her AND the usual suspects running against her on center stage again,and shut out the will of the people.
*I* think a good percentage of the Trump voters were protest voters who would have voted for a dead skunk before voting for another Bush or Clinton. IMHO,this is THEIR effort to shut down that realization and hide it in a jumble of accusations of "foreign power influences decided this election" instead of the basic truth that what REALLY affected this election was voter disgust with both branches of the ruling party.
@sneakypete
@CatherineofAragonQuoteI'm not taking instructions from you on how or when to "think", got it? I'll tell you again---drop the condescending BS, and I'll be nice enough to refrain from going into an instructional discourse on the pitfalls of viewing life through a conspiracy theory bubble.
Clearly somebody needs to give you some guidance because you are incapable of thinking on your own. The FACT that you really do believe all I was doing was reminding you of the date the Communists took over control of Russia is proof of how shallow your thought processes are.
Yeah,you can get mad at me and whine to the mods,but you can't alter reality.
Clearly somebody needs to give you some guidance because you are incapable of thinking on your own. The FACT that you really do believe all I was doing was reminding you of the date the Communists took over control of Russia is proof of how shallow your thought processes are.
Yeah,you can get mad at me and whine to the mods,but you can't alter reality.
Clearly somebody needs to give you some guidance because you are incapable of thinking on your own. The FACT that you really do believe all I was doing was reminding you of the date the Communists took over control of Russia is proof of how shallow your thought processes are.
Yeah,you can get mad at me and whine to the mods,but you can't alter reality.
Sunday mornings without @sneakypete peein all over rational discourse just wouldn't be worth waking up to.
@DCPatriot @Cripplecreek
Does the name Saddam Hussein ring any bells?
And he wasn't even assassinated to benefit America,but to benefit our Muslim enemies.
@Rivergirl
We should have done more of it,starting with Stalin and Hitler.
I don't give a damn about "being fair". When it comes to the survival of America and individual freedoms,all *I* care about is winning because winning literally means surviving.
@sneakypete
Lol
The mods? I prefer to tend to my own business. There's no way I'd bother them over your posts, especially. You're verging into so-amusing-youi're-almost-cute territory. I want to see what's next.
Thanks, @sneakypete
I was quite aware that Gaddafi was not 'assassinated' per se, but Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama may as well as pulled the trigger....or shoved a wooden stake up his rear, themselves.
And, of course, Hussein was executed by Iraqi courts and their military, after being found guilty of war crimes against his own people.
@CatherineofAragon
Well,somebody reported me to the Mods. I just got a nastygram from MOD3 when I singed on.
Wasn't me, oh yea, you spelled signed wrong. lol
Wasn't me, oh yea, you spelled signed wrong. lol
A highly-anticipated declassified US intelligence report, aimed to prove that Russia supported Donald Trump, has turned out to be a huge embarrassment. The annex that contained factual material that was thought to provide evidence of RT influencing the American public was compiled in December 2012, right after the reelection of Barack Obama.
Yes, that is what actually happened: the ‘proof’ was OLD! It wasn’t for this election! And it wasn’t true back in 2012, either! Why was this passed off as ‘proof’ for this election? And worse, why wasn’t this discussed the last election? Eh?
https://emsnews.wordpress.com/2017/01/08/cia-proof-of-election-hack-is-from-2012-election/
@CatherineofAragon
Well,somebody reported me to the Mods. I just got a nastygram from MOD3 when I singed on.
@sneakypete
Can't help you there. Wasn't me.
@corbe
Make that TWO nastygrams from the same mod.
And thank you ever so much for noticing a typo-misspelling and pointing it out. It clearly indicates my thinking is faulty,huh?
Russia and WikiLeaks are not our friends
DIARY / JD Rucker // Posted at 4:56 am on January 8, 2017 by JD Rucker
There’s a 2400-year-old saying loosely translated into English as, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” This is the most logical basis for the recent trend by many Republicans to defend Russia’s alleged “hack” of the election as well as WikiLeaks’ release of information that may have contributed to Hillary Clinton’s presidential election loss. If there are other reasons for the trend, I’d be very disappointed.
For the record, I do not believe Clinton would have won even if Russia did not get involved or if WikiLeaks did not release the damaging information. Before the leaks, she was viewed very poorly by a majority of Americans. Her lying nature had already been exposed. She was the ultimate insider in a year when millions of voters had become sick of insiders. Neither Russian influence nor John Podesta’s emails swayed enough voters to make a difference in the outcome.
I should also note that I do not believe Donald Trump nor anyone in his inner circle had anything to do with whatever Russia and WikiLeaks did. Those in the media pointing to the Russian influence or WikiLeaks releases as reason to not trust Trump are simply attempting to manipulate the people to dissent based upon assumed association. They were acting on their own behalf and the “beneficiary” of their actions neither condoned nor understood what was being done to “help” him.
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http://www.redstate.com/diary/jdrucker/2017/01/08/russia-wikileaks-not-friends/ (http://www.redstate.com/diary/jdrucker/2017/01/08/russia-wikileaks-not-friends/)
Russia and WikiLeaks were not doing anything to benefit America. They were protecting their own interests. Russia’s desire to keep Clinton out of the White House stems from their understanding of what she would represent internationally. Her foreign policy is more aligned with Neocons than Barack Obama’s passivity. Like her husband, she would have had America more involved with international affairs and the United Nations than we have been since before Obama. Russia wants the United States out of the Middle East and east Asia. They want our influence over Europe to be reduced as well. Clinton would have pushed us further down the globalist road that Russia wants to dominate.
As for WikiLeaks, their motives are likely more sinister. They are agents of chaos that despise the status quo. Clinton is the status quo. Donald Trump represented an opportunity to be the wildcard they want leading America. Whether you support Trump or not, you must admit that he’s a much more appealing prospects for those who love chaos. To paraphrase Alfred Pennyworth, “Some, like WikiLeaks, just want to watch the world burn.”
@corbe
Make that TWO nastygrams from the same mod.
And thank you ever so much for noticing a typo-misspelling and pointing it out. It clearly indicates my thinking is faulty,huh?
Somebody complained about me accurately describing them too.
I wonder if any of our "mods" are communist spies, Russian trolls, or otherwise clever deceptive people, hiding behind their anonymity?
Don't you wonder who they really are? Steering threads is something they hold power to do.
Could you reveal the precise nature of your infraction?
Remember "I Led Three Lives," about Philbrick ??
Somebody complained about me accurately describing them too.
@Cripplecreek
It was a Communist spy. (See below).
A recently discovered photo of MODs 3 & 5:
(https://s16-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fpre03.deviantart.net%2Ff714%2Fth%2Fpre%2Fi%2F2011%2F093%2F9%2Ff%2Fboris_and_natasha_by_fourpanelhero-d3d494u.jpg&sp=07a9038b4a936740695253abb026976e)
QuoteDon't you wonder who they really are?
@truth_seeker
No. I know what they are,and that's enough for me. Granted,some people want to become mods in order to keep peace,but it has been MY experience that most are just control freaks.QuoteCould you reveal the precise nature of your infraction?
Boiled down to "being disrespectful to your intellectual equals". Seems whoever the Mod is and I have differing opinions on more than one issue.QuoteRemember "I Led Three Lives," about Philbrick ??
Yeah,but barely. That one is a OLD oldie! I can barely remember it,and I was a child in elementary school when it was airing. Just how old are you?
I can vouch for MOD 1-2 and 4 but MOD3 scares me...Russian spy....Hmmmm *hmmmm*
A recently discovered photo of MODs 3 & 5:
(https://s16-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fpre03.deviantart.net%2Ff714%2Fth%2Fpre%2Fi%2F2011%2F093%2F9%2Ff%2Fboris_and_natasha_by_fourpanelhero-d3d494u.jpg&sp=07a9038b4a936740695253abb026976e)
@Sanguine
I was hot for Natasha before I was old enough to even know what "hot for" meant. That Russian accent really pulled my trigger.
@mystery-ak
If it's a hot female brunette with a thick Russian accent,I'm all for glasnost.
I can't say the same for Boris.
MOD 5 is the oddball.
You Rang?
(http://mujer.starmedia.com/imagenes/2017/01/Melania-Trump-.jpg)
@corbe
She is not only Slavic,but is also scary-smart. Scary-smart AND physically hot is overkill at my age. Then again,she seems to have lost almost all of her accent,so if it weren't for being smart she's nothing special. Still hot,but nothing that would have me waking into walls.
Maybe it makes me even weirder,but I have always had a thing for smart women.
I can't say the same for Boris.
You know about Mod 5?
It was only 8 long years ago the MSM was telling me how smart Meechelle was.
(https://d.justpo.st/media/images/2016/07/20/melania-trump-cheating-off-of-michelle-obama-1468988552.jpg)
I wonder if any of our "mods" are communist spies, Russian trolls, or otherwise clever deceptive people, hiding behind their anonymity?You caught me. You caught the Tater.
You caught me. You caught the Tater.
You caught me. You caught the Tater.
Boiled down to "being disrespectful to your intellectual equals". Seems whoever the Mod is and I have differing opinions on more than one issue.
You know about Mod 5?
@sneakypete
And thanks once again, my friend.
That is the EXACT frame of mind I had regarding my riding the Trump horse to the finish line.
You're GD right I want him to use his pen and his phone.....as well as his shredder. Payback SHOULD be a bitch.
I'm calling in the roadblocks now....
What is the difference between a Mod and a police car?
So breaking the rules and acting in an extra constitutional manner is wrong when the Dems do it but perfectly fine and actually encouraged when it is your guy?
Rule by fiat is wrong PERIOD. Expecially when "revenge" is the motive.
You'll notice that this thread is awfully quiet for some reason.
Priebus claims Trump accepts Russia's role in hack http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,243068.msg1185424.html#msg1185424
The suspense is killing me, Fred. :2popcorn:
What?
@Cripplecreek
You ran out of brain farts?
So breaking the rules and acting in an extra constitutional manner is wrong when the Dems do it but perfectly fine and actually encouraged when it is your guy?
Rule by fiat is wrong PERIOD. Expecially when "revenge" is the motive.
@corbe
Good times, lol.
All I've got on this page are blank posts. Not sure why????
All I've got on this page are blank posts. Not sure why????
That's why I feel so freely to talk bad about you @Emjay , I know you'll never see it
@Emjay
That's weird. I haven't had any problems with pages loading.
All I've got on this page are blank posts. Not sure why????
What was "wrong", @txradioguy is that the GOP Congress were deaf, dumb and blind for virtually the entire 8 years of Obama.
So now, they can kiss my a$$.
Drain the swamp, Donnie! Git er done!
Sorry, it was my little joke. I have some of the persistent posters blocked...
You'll notice that this thread is awfully quiet for some reason.
Priebus claims Trump accepts Russia's role in hack http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,243068.msg1185424.html#msg1185424
@Cripplecreek
I missed it, but apparently Hannity gushed something so embarrassing about Mother Russia that he had to delete it.
Jonah GoldbergVerified account
@JonahNRO
Kind of wild to see conservatives in 2017 defending Russia today because they were our allies in WWII. That's the Rosenberg Defense!
Bill Kristol @BillKristol 2h2 hours ago
Tomorrow on Sean Hannity: "Was Alger Hiss Framed By The U.S. Intelligence Community?"
Nathan Wurtzel @NathanWurtzel 1h1 hour ago
Hannity deleted his pro-Russia RT, not unlike the way they used to delete people in photos.
What is the difference between a Mod and a police car?
All I've got on this page are blank posts. Not sure why????
QuoteAgain, this does not fall on anyone but the rookie dems who do not seem to be able to protect any electronic data.
@doghouse
The second-oddest thing about this to me is that these people are FAR from being political rookies or rookies when it comes to blackmailing other people.. The Clintion's in particular SWIM in corruption and blackmail on the level of the Medici's ,yet they are so arrogant that they don't even bother to cover their own tracks. How the HELL does that make any sense unless both Bubba and Bubbette! have gone senile?
The oddest thing of course is that they are stupid enough go public with it while complaining about being exposed,just like they did nothing wrong. It's like a skinny white boy walking down the street in Harlen on a Saturday night with 100 dollar bills hanging out of his pocket,and then wondering why he was robbed and beaten.QuoteThe third point is also an established fact. The data that was released from the DNC server has never been disputed for being accurate and true. In other words the dems are pissed because the world found out exactly what they put in emails to each other. Each and every one of the released emails are authentic and accurate. They just got pissed because their own words were exposed.
The dems are pissed because they got caught being stupid, ugly, and their unethical political games were exposed...
And there you have it.
Someone also needs to tell the dem top officials not to use, "password" as their password. It is like number one on the list that the hackers try.
Shhhhh!QuotePure stupidity on the part of the dems and they do not have the honor or honesty to take responsibility for their own actions and screw ups.
Well,in all fairness,they have never had to pay the price for their stupidity or arrogance before,so why would they think they would have to pay for it this time? After all,their plan was to run against someone like JEB,who they no doubt have non-aggression treaties with. They had no more idea than me that Trump would actually win and they would be dealing with a outsider that would exploit their weaknesses instead of overlook it.
IMHO,the one BIG thing everybody is overlooking about Trump is that using the force of government to intimidate someone or extort someone for cash or favors is something he understands AS AN OUTSIDER THAT HAD THEM USED AGAINST HIM. As a businessman he has had no choice in the past but to pay them the bribes they wanted and smile while doing it because it was a "cost of doing business". That doesn't mean he enjoyed being extorted,and it may just be time for a little payback once he is in office. I sure hope so.
All I've got on this page are blank posts. Not sure why????