The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: ABX on October 25, 2016, 12:37:18 pm
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Here is a hint, if you are going to issue a denial, issue a denial, not something that can be construed as an admission through justification of actions.
Donald Trump on Monday responded to an adult-film actress who recently accused him of making an unwanted sexual advances, telling a New Hampshire radio station, "Oh, I'm sure she's never been grabbed before." ....
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-jessica-drake-response-2016-10
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This is one of those events were Donald Trump would have been way better off just not commenting
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Here is a hint, if you are going to issue a denial, issue a denial, not something that can be construed as an admission through justification of actions.
But, Donald, she's not used to that. After all, she's a 'star'!
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But, Donald, she's not used to that. After all, she's a 'star'!
LOL. Yeah. I love how that ambulance chaser put her in Groucho Marx glasses to give a porn star credibility....
(http://rabidrepublicanblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Jessica-Drake-with-Gloria-Allred.jpg)
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LOL. Yeah. I love how that ambulance chaser put her in Groucho Marx glasses to give a porn star credibility....
(http://rabidrepublicanblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Jessica-Drake-with-Gloria-Allred.jpg)
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Yeah, we know what Allred is. Still, the gal has a right to not be groped.
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AWFUL! Wikileaks Reveals Clinton Camp Was Posting FAKE “Sexist Trump Job Ads” On Craigslist
The Hillary Clinton Campaign was posting fake “Sexist Trump Job Ads” on Craigslist.
The Hillary Campaign approved these malicious ads.
Their heinous plot was revealed by Wikileaks.
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well, we know Melania did porn pics with another woman, and Trump was cool with that, does that mean that, as a woman, I get a free pass from both Melania, Trump and all his supporters to sexually assault her on the street?
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@TomSea :silly:
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So, tell me Tom Sea, at what level or type of employment does a woman have a right to not be grabbed by some guy out of the blue? Does she have to have a PhD? MD? Is a BA enough to protect her? Maybe a high school diploma or a GED? Are waitresses and barmaids fair game? Just where is the cutoff between having a right not to be molested and not having any rights?
Either Rights are Rights for everyone, or no one has them. I don't care if she is a known slut, a prostitute, whatever, if she doesn't want someone to grab her or molest her, that is her right.
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Here is a hint, if you are going to issue a denial, issue a denial, not something that can be construed as an admission through justification of actions.
Who is dumber? Trump or whoever supports him?
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So, tell me Tom Sea, at what level or type of employment does a woman have a right to not be grabbed by some guy out of the blue? Does she have to have a PhD? MD? Is a BA enough to protect her? Maybe a high school diploma or a GED? Are waitresses and barmaids fair game? Just where is the cutoff between having a right not to be molested and not having any rights?
Either Rights are Rights for everyone, or no one has them. I don't care if she is a known slut, a prostitute, whatever, if she doesn't want someone to grab her or molest her, that is her right.
Liberals are liberals. They will throw anyone under the bus to get their feelgood. Thats why we are better people.
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That little word BEFORE................meaning before he grabbed her.
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Obamacare premiums are skyrocketing and we get to talk about this crap.
Thanks Trump!
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355 porn film's
How many STD's does she have?
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So, tell me Tom Sea, at what level or type of employment does a woman have a right to not be grabbed by some guy out of the blue? Does she have to have a PhD? MD? Is a BA enough to protect her? Maybe a high school diploma or a GED? Are waitresses and barmaids fair game? Just where is the cutoff between having a right not to be molested and not having any rights?
Either Rights are Rights for everyone, or no one has them. I don't care if she is a known slut, a prostitute, whatever, if she doesn't want someone to grab her or molest her, that is her right.
Both candidates are scum bags but its what we have to choose from.
Whats more important? The things we know Hillary will do make an alleged assault 20 years ago insignificant.
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"Oh, I'm sure she's never been grabbed before." ....
Really? Are you friggin' serious? Please tell me Trump isn't that stupid. This is a joke, right?
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Obamacare premiums are skyrocketing and we get to talk about this crap.
Thanks Trump!
Thank the lesser evil Republicans first. they had the opportunity to stop Obamacare many times over and kept funding it. Then thank the people that elected them.
Trump is a lot of things. All of them bad. But Obamacare is 100% the GOP's/It's supporters' problem and was before he threw this election to the Dems.
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355 porn film's
How many STD's does she have?
Not the issue.
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Really? Are you friggin' serious? Please tell me Trump isn't that stupid. This is a joke, right?
Not a joke. The audio is on the CNN link.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/24/politics/trump-on-latest-accusations/index.html
Sounds like those people who say a woman deserved to be raped because she wore sexy clothes.
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Really? Are you friggin' serious? Please tell me Trump isn't that stupid. This is a joke, right?
Of course he's that stupid.
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So, tell me Tom Sea, at what level or type of employment does a woman have a right to not be grabbed by some guy out of the blue? Does she have to have a PhD? MD? Is a BA enough to protect her? Maybe a high school diploma or a GED? Are waitresses and barmaids fair game? Just where is the cutoff between having a right not to be molested and not having any rights?
Either Rights are Rights for everyone, or no one has them. I don't care if she is a known slut, a prostitute, whatever, if she doesn't want someone to grab her or molest her, that is her right.
The issue is none of us was there and don't know the circumstances leading up to is alleged groping. Was she doing some serious flirting and making suggestive moves on him? Was she really grabbed out of the blue?
I have seen women do really over the board, hardcore flirtations, suggestive moves on their own - really leading men on then -talk and actions then backing off.
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Obamacare premiums are skyrocketing and we get to talk about this crap.
Thanks Trump!
and just remember, he called for a single payer system to the left of Obamacare.
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Not the issue.
No, but I want to know lol. I bet plenty
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Obamacare premiums are skyrocketing and we get to talk about this crap.
Bread and circuses
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The issue is none of us was there and don't know the circumstances leading up to is alleged groping. Was she doing some serious flirting and making suggestive moves on him?
I have seen women do really over the board, hardcore flirtations, suggestive moves on their own - really leading men on then backing off.
Oh wow, that sounds almost exactly like the Democrats going after Lewenski when she accused Bill. They said it was a set-up and he came on to her and made suggestive moves to him.
I guess we believe it when the accusee is a D and don't when the accusee happens to have an R behind his name this year.
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Obamacare premiums are skyrocketing and we get to talk about this crap.
Thanks Trump!
Bingo. We could have had an historic victory this year. Instead we get to choose between Too Corrupt and Too Crazy.
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This is one of those events were Donald Trump would have been way better off just not commenting
Every event is one of those events where Trump would have been better off not commenting. Trump could actually win this election if he would go hide in some mountain retreat for the next two weeks without any access to Twitter, and leave it to Pence to pound away on corruption charges against Hillary. But of course that would require that Trump would actually want to win.
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Really? Are you friggin' serious? Please tell me Trump isn't that stupid. This is a joke, right?
I'd like to tell you that. But I'd be lying.
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Bingo. We could have had an historic victory this year. Instead we get to choose between Too Corrupt and Too Crazy.
I've said it many times before and I'll repeat it again...
Hillary Clinton represents the absolute worst aspects of our government.
Donald Trump represents the absolute worst aspects of our society.
Good job America!
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I've said it many times before and I'll repeat it again...
Hillary Clinton represents the absolute worst aspects of our government.
Donald Trump represents the absolute worst aspects of our society.
Good job America!
And in military parlance, they're both REMFs.
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Nice Chewbacca defense of Trump basically saying, "Well, if she doesn't want to be assaulted, she shouldn't wear miniskirts."
(http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/images/shows/south-park/clip-thumbnails/season-2/0214/south-park-s02e14c20-victory-in-court-16x9.jpg?)
Look at the monkey! Look at the silly monkey!
Typical of Trumpettes. They can't defend the stupidity of Trump, so they point elsewhere.
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Oh wow, that sounds almost exactly like the Democrats going after Lewenski when she accused Bill. They said it was a set-up and he came on to her and made suggestive moves to him.
I guess we believe it when the accusee is a D and don't when the accusee happens to have an R behind his name this year.
The difference is Lewenski was not accusing Clinton of non consensual groping/sexual abuse. So Trump should be tried and convicted just on her hersay? How Duke Lacross Team of you.
@AbaraXas
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Nice Chewbacca defense of Trump basically saying, "Well, if she doesn't want to be assaulted, she shouldn't wear miniskirts."
(http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/images/shows/south-park/clip-thumbnails/season-2/0214/south-park-s02e14c20-victory-in-court-16x9.jpg?)
Look at the monkey! Look at the silly monkey!
Typical of Trumpettes. They can't defend the stupidity of Trump, so they point elsewhere.
Do you have a better alternative? Or do you just want to cheer the burning down of our country?
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The difference is Lewenski was not accusing Clinton of non consensual groping/sexual abuse. So Trump should be tried and convicted just on her hersay? How Duke Lacross Team of you.
@AbaraXas
Happens all the time in the "court of public opinion."
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The issue is none of us was there and don't know the circumstances leading up to is alleged groping. Was she doing some serious flirting and making suggestive moves on him? Was she really grabbed out of the blue?
I have seen women do really over the board, hardcore flirtations, suggestive moves on their own - really leading men on then -talk and actions then backing off.
I am asserting that regardless of what she does for a living, regardless of her 'station in life', she has a fundamental Right to not be groped--by anyone, should she so choose. That any person who respected her rights would not presume he has a right to grope her. Period.
That neither confirms nor denies that the events as claimed took place, nor that Trump did them, although his own statement would tend to indicate he did.
I have seen all sorts of flirtatious moves, professional (I dealt blackjack in a titty bar), and amateur, but those are not aimed at any guy who wants to grab a handful of flesh, even in the titty bar. Hands off the 'dancers' was the rule. If that leaves you blue, get a grip and handle it.
It isn't what life throws at you, but how you conduct yourself that reveals your character.
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Do you have a better alternative? Or do you just want to cheer the burning down of our country?
Trump is not an alternative. He's the problem. The alternative is voting for a conservative. You arent going to fix America kicking cans every 2 years and complaining on the internet.
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And in military parlance, they're both REMFs.
Feather merchants, more like...you gotta serve to be a REMF.
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Oh wow, that sounds almost exactly like the Democrats going after Lewenski when she accused Bill. They said it was a set-up and he came on to her and made suggestive moves to him.
I guess we believe it when the accusee is a D and don't when the accusee happens to have an R behind his name this year.
Well, doggone it, the Democrats have double standards. Folks seem to be trying to keep up with the Joneses.
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Here is a hint, if you are going to issue a denial, issue a denial, not something that can be construed as an admission through justification of actions.
Trump defines classy.
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The issue is none of us was there and don't know the circumstances leading up to is alleged groping. Was she doing some serious flirting and making suggestive moves on him? Was she really grabbed out of the blue?
I have seen women do really over the board, hardcore flirtations, suggestive moves on their own - really leading men on then -talk and actions then backing off.
The issue isn't whether it happened or not. The issue isn't what led to it happening if it did. The issue is his response. Anyone with some degree of common sense would realize that the accusation by a porn star wouldn't require any response. Most people would automatically give it no credibility. His response says "maybe I did it but I'm not the only one." Stupid.
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No, but I want to know lol. I bet plenty
She could be a major enemy in Trump's personal Vietnam.
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The issue isn't whether it happened or not. The issue isn't what led to it happening if it did. The issue is his response. Anyone with some degree of common sense would realize that the accusation by a porn star wouldn't require any response. Most people would automatically give it no credibility. His response says "maybe I did it but I'm not the only one." Stupid.
It's funny the good book doesn't say it's okay if they talk you into it.
Proverbs 7:21-23 "With her much fair speech she caused him to yield, with the flattering of her lips she forced him. He goeth after her straightway, as an ox goeth to the slaughter, or as a fool to the correction of the stocks; Till a dart strike through his liver; as a bird hasteth to the snare, and knoweth not that it is for his life."
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She could be a major enemy in Trump's personal Vietnam.
I thought he had no experience in the bush...
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Obamacare premiums are skyrocketing and we get to talk about this crap.
Thanks Trump!
To be fair, Trump listed a pretty decent first 100 days agenda, including repealing Obamacare right at the time stories were breaking about skyrocketing premiums.
His mistake is he should have issued it well before the last debate, and then hammer it home with every single appearance be in public or on TV. Hammer, hammer, hammer, and at the same time mention that Hillary will do the exact opposite. Instead he got off the rails again with groper- gate, and the election is rigged nonsense, none of which is helping him win the vital swing voters. If you are on the defensive, you are losing – period.
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Not the issue.
Not the one you want to talk about anyway.
-fyi Trump isn't known for Charlie Sheen, NBA baller style proclivities.
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Not the one you want to talk about anyway.
-fyi Trump isn't known for Charlie Sheen, NBA baller style proclivities.
Hey if you wanna drag Trump through the mud by bringing up those he's associated that's fine, but I think there are bigger issues at play here.
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Not the one you want to talk about anyway.
-fyi Trump isn't known for Charlie Sheen, NBA baller style proclivities.
It's OK Longmire. We understand you're going through the grief stages and are stuck at 'denial'. But rest assured, your opinion will be as meaningless after Trump loses as it is today. AKA 'completely'.
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I wonder...if your daughter or female member of your family gets groped or is sexually harassed...are you going to blame them for the attack or unwanted advances like you're doing with these women?
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I wonder...if your daughter or female member of your family gets groped or is sexually harassed...are you going to blame them for the attack or unwanted advances like you're doing with these women?
@txradioguy
My daughter wouldn't be a porn 'actress' nor would she wait 20 years to make a claim if she were assaulted.
By the way, groping someone isn't an 'advance', its sexual assault. An advance is "hey you wanna go out for dinner", or "thats a beautiful dress" or any number of other things which happen daily.
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@txradioguy
My daughter wouldn't be a porn 'actress' nor would she wait 20 years to make a claim if she were assaulted.
By the way, groping someone isn't an 'advance', its sexual assault. An advance is "hey you wanna go out for dinner", or "thats a beautiful dress" or any number of other things which happen daily.
Doesn't matter if she waited 20 years. 20 years ago Trump wasn't running for President. all that matters right now, today, is whether or not it's true. It speaks to the growing body of evidence he thinks he can do as he pleases and that is the very thing we hated about Obama with his "Pen and phone' governance.
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@txradioguy
My daughter wouldn't be a porn 'actress' nor would she wait 20 years to make a claim if she were assaulted.
Shouldn't matter her profession. And you don't know for sure how your daughter or a family member would react in that kind of situation. There is a level of embarrassment and shame and fear of not being believed that cause women to not tell even their closest family members what happened to them.
Especially if they hear said loved one denigrating one of the women who is accusing Trump.
By the way, groping someone isn't an 'advance', its sexual assault. An advance is "hey you wanna go out for dinner", or "thats a beautiful dress" or any number of other things which happen daily.
I know the difference...I was saying either or. And unwanted sexual advance is also "hey why don't we go back to my plac"...etc.
I've been in the military for almost 20 years...we get it drilled into us what both are.
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Do you have a better alternative? Or do you just want to cheer the burning down of our country?
@driftdiver
Yeah - vote Cruz. He won't win, but if either one of these jackasses wins, America loses.
Hopefully it won't be so bad that Cruz can come rescue us in four years. That, or, Texas secedes and we move there - although they are now supposedly a toss-up.
Forget it. The country is already burning uncontrollably. Time to go Galt.
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Do you have a better alternative? Or do you just want to cheer the burning down of our country?
Why do you post these false accusations, based on faulty logic, @driftdiver ?
Even if one cannot come up with a "better alternative" the accusation that one is, as a result, "cheering the burning down of our country" is utterly preposterous.
For me, personally, the better alternative is to vote for a person who won't require confession to an Almighty God after I mark my ballot.
If I vote for either Trump or Clinton, that's what I would have to do. Beg forgiveness.......
And I am weeping that the Trumpists and MEDIA who forced this cretin on us, have caused the burning down of America, regardless of who is elected.
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I wonder...if your daughter or female member of your family gets groped or is sexually harassed...are you going to blame them for the attack or unwanted advances like you're doing with these women?
Of course not.
Defense of Trump's perversion on a computer has nothing to do with real life.
If Trump came after any Trumpist's daughter (as he might well do) they would protect their daughter against his assault.
It's other people's daughters that they don't give a rip about.
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Hey! Look on the bright side. He's just given permission to anyone who wishes to to grope both his wife and his daughter with zero repercussions.
After all, they were models. They are used to it. Not as if it hasn't happened before, right?
I really want a spit emoji now.
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Do you have a better alternative? Or do you just want to cheer the burning down of our country?
Yes, it is simple.
1. Vote for the candidate that comes close to matching your values and that you can trust to uphold them.
2. Stop looking for someone from the government to help. Stop expecting a white knight from Washington DC to fix your problems and force your solutions.
I have news for you also, the country already is burning down. It has been doing so for a long time. One of the very reasons it is burning down is due to people treating politics like a game or like Santa Claus. People, including those on the Right, started looking for a government 'who is here to help'. They started treating politics like a football game and cheered the letter on the jersey, not the values.
To me, and many others, not accepting the R versus D game, when it has become as vile as it has this election cycle, is doing our part to stop the burning.
People have been saying they are tired of 'establishment games' yet the very game they play is to demand you vote for the party over your values... just hold your nose and vote.. over and over, expecting different results.
Many if not most of us have not changed our values or given those up, on the contrary, we are being consistant. Everything I've been saying about Trump now, William F Buckley warned us about in 2000 and Andrew Breitbart warned us about in 2012. (hell, even Jim Robinson at FR called out the orange con man then).
We are being consistent with that.
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Of course not.
Defense of Trump's perversion on a computer has nothing to do with real life.
If Trump came after any Trumpist's daughter (as he might well do) they would protect their daughter against his assault.
It's other people's daughters that they don't give a rip about.
Disagree. If they cared about their own wives/daughters, they wouldn't enable their potential molester/assaulter/rapists.
Clearly they DO NOT care about their own wives/daughters. One cannot draw some imaginary line between theirs and someone elses. If they think it's OK for one, then it is OK for all whether they want it or not. Thats how reality works.
If they want to play word games, thats their problem. But words mean things. If they want to play politics with women's safety, it just shows how degraded they have become in their liberalism.
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@driftdiver
Yeah - vote Cruz. He won't win, but if either one of these jackasses wins, America loses.
Hopefully it won't be so bad that Cruz can come rescue us in four years. That, or, Texas secedes and we move there - although they are now supposedly a toss-up.
Forget it. The country is already burning uncontrollably. Time to go Galt.
@bolobaby
Cruz isn't on the ballot anymore in most places. Regardless of what Texas does having Hillary and the muslim global train as a neighbor would be a bad idea.
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Disagree. If they cared about their own wives/daughters, they wouldn't enable their potential molester/assaulter/rapists.
Clearly they DO NOT care about their own wives/daughters. One cannot draw dome imaginary line between theirs and someone elses. If they think it's OK for one, then it is OK for all whether they want it or not. Thats how reality works.
If they want to play word games, thats their problem. But words mean things. If they want to play politics with women's safety, it just shows how degraded they have become in their liberalism.
@Norm Lenhart
Man you play fast and loose with the facts there. Words do mean things and so do elections. Losing an election doesn't further your agenda, never has and never will.
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@Norm Lenhart
Man you play fast and loose with the facts there. Words do mean things and so do elections. Losing an election doesn't further your agenda, never has and never will.
Nope. Not one word I typed is 'fast and loose' with anything. One cannot approve of or dismiss sexual assault by one man and not another based on who the victim is. Someone that tries is an enabler.
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Disagree. If they cared about their own wives/daughters, they wouldn't enable their potential molester/assaulter/rapists.
Clearly they DO NOT care about their own wives/daughters. One cannot draw some imaginary line between theirs and someone elses. If they think it's OK for one, then it is OK for all whether they want it or not. Thats how reality works.
If they want to play word games, thats their problem. But words mean things. If they want to play politics with women's safety, it just shows how degraded they have become in their liberalism.
I read recently a good quote.
People like Donald Trump are the reason a Brock Turner thinks it is OK to rape a woman.
Lawyers like Hillary Clinton are the reason rapists like Brock Turner get out of jail.
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Yes, it is simple.
1. Vote for the candidate that comes close to matching your values and that you can trust to uphold them.
2. Stop looking for someone from the government to help. Stop expecting a white knight from Washington DC to fix your problems and force your solutions.
I have news for you also, the country already is burning down. It has been doing so for a long time. One of the very reasons it is burning down is due to people treating politics like a game or like Santa Claus. People, including those on the Right, started looking for a government 'who is here to help'. They started treating politics like a football game and cheered the letter on the jersey, not the values.
To me, and many others, not accepting the R versus D game, when it has become as vile as it has this election cycle, is doing our part to stop the burning.
People have been saying they are tired of 'establishment games' yet the very game they play is to demand you vote for the party over your values... just hold your nose and vote.. over and over, expecting different results.
Many if not most of us have not changed our values or given those up, on the contrary, we are being consistant. Everything I've been saying about Trump now, William F Buckley warned us about in 2000 and Andrew Breitbart warned us about in 2012. (hell, even Jim Robinson at FR called out the orange con man then).
We are being consistent with that.
@AbaraXas
1. There isn't one on the ballot that has a chance of winning.
2. Looking to the govt? What a stupid thing to say. The President of the United States is the most powerful person in the world and can have tremendous impact on every aspect of our lives.
Trumps a bufooon and a very very poor choice. The alternate is worse. People ignore politics and only want to bitch about it afterwards. I wonder how many folks here have ever been to a local meeting? How many have actually helped a candidate of their choice?
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I read recently a good quote.
People like Donald Trump are the reason a Brock Turner thinks it is OK to rape a woman.
Lawyers like Hillary Clinton are the reason rapists like Brock Turner get out of jail.
Indeed. And people who empower either are whats wrong with America.
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@AbaraXas
1. There isn't one on the ballot that has a chance of winning.
2. Looking to the govt? What a stupid thing to say. The President of the United States is the most powerful person in the world and can have tremendous impact on every aspect of our lives.
Trumps a bufooon and a very very poor choice. The alternate is worse. People ignore politics and only want to bitch about it afterwards. I wonder how many folks here have ever been to a local meeting? How many have actually helped a candidate of their choice?
Winning with evil is called 'losing'.
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Nope. Not one word I typed is 'fast and loose' with anything. One cannot approve of or dismiss sexual assault by one man and not another based on who the victim is. Someone that tries is an enabler.
@Norm Lenhart
Who is approving? Who is dismissing? Millions of lives will be impacted by this election. Its far larger then what allegedly happened to one person 20 years ago.
You're convicting without evidence. Something which is unconstitutional.
Both candidates are crap. One of them will be President. We know from your love of losing that you won't pick the winner.
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Winning with evil is called 'losing'.
@Norm Lenhart
Winners write the rules.
Losers sit back and continue to whine and cry. We know what you do.
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Why do you post these false accusations, based on faulty logic, @driftdiver ?
Even if one cannot come up with a "better alternative" the accusation that one is, as a result, "cheering the burning down of our country" is utterly preposterous.
For me, personally, the better alternative is to vote for a person who won't require confession to an Almighty God after I mark my ballot.
If I vote for either Trump or Clinton, that's what I would have to do. Beg forgiveness.......
And I am weeping that the Trumpists and MEDIA who forced this cretin on us, have caused the burning down of America, regardless of who is elected.
@musiclady
blah blah blah,
Most gum flapping from you.
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@Norm Lenhart
Who is approving? Who is dismissing? Millions of lives will be impacted by this election. Its far larger then what allegedly happened to one person 20 years ago.
You're convicting without evidence. Something which is unconstitutional.
Both candidates are crap. One of them will be President. We know from your love of losing that you won't pick the winner.
Evidence is Donald Trumps own words in Radio, in books, on TV.
We know from several years of arguing on FR you will justify any liberal the GOP fronts while trying to excuse your actions at having approved of said liberals with both your vote and your excuses for why everyone must degrade themselves as you have.
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@Norm Lenhart
Winners write the rules.
Losers sit back and continue to whine and cry. We know what you do.
We know what you do as well. Enable evil.
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@AbaraXas
1. There isn't one on the ballot that has a chance of winning.
2. Looking to the govt? What a stupid thing to say. The President of the United States is the most powerful person in the world and can have tremendous impact on every aspect of our lives.
Trumps a bufooon and a very very poor choice. The alternate is worse. People ignore politics and only want to bitch about it afterwards. I wonder how many folks here have ever been to a local meeting? How many have actually helped a candidate of their choice?
See the part I added in bold, that's where you added in the self-defeating opinion that the establishment pushes.
People don't vote for the alternative candidate because they are told they don't have a chance of winning.
Why don't they have a chance of winning?
Because people don't vote for them because they are told they don't have a chance of winning.
See how that works?
In reality, looking at our history of elections, they do have a chance of winning- albeit small, but it is there. All people need to do is reject the establishment rules of the game.
Three times in our history, the vote was decided by the House. Three of our Presidents claimed no party affiliation (Washington, Tyler, Johnson). Three other Presidents came from what would be described as third parties (Lincoln, Harrison, Johnson). Out of 44 Presidential races, those are not bad odds.
The only thing that will change things is if people stand up, one by one, and make that decision themselves instead of going along with the flow because they have been convinced that is the only choice they have. Winners write their own rules, losers sit back and blindly accept ones shoved at them.
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How do you save a drowning man when he keeps grabbing weights?
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@musiclady
blah blah blah,
Most gum flapping from you.
Why not respond to the substance of what I posted @driftdiver ?
Why do you believe that not having an alternative to voting for either EVIL candidate other than voting for a candidate who is not evil is pro-actively "CHEERING" the burning of America?
Address the substance of that question with a logical response, please.
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See the part I added in bold, that's where you added in the self-defeating opinion that the establishment pushes.
People don't vote for the alternative candidate because they are told they don't have a chance of winning.
Why don't they have a chance of winning?
Because people don't vote for them because they are told they don't have a chance of winning.
See how that works?
In reality, looking at our history of elections, they do have a chance of winning- albeit small, but it is there. All people need to do is reject the establishment rules of the game.
Three times in our history, the vote was decided by the House. Three of our Presidents claimed no party affiliation (Washington, Tyler, Johnson). Three other Presidents came from what would be described as third parties (Lincoln, Harrison, Johnson). Out of 44 Presidential races, those are not bad odds.
The only thing that will change things is if people stand up, one by one, and make that decision themselves instead of going along with the flow because they have been convinced that is the only choice they have. Winners write their own rules, losers sit back and blindly accept ones shoved at them.
Wishful thinking isn't a strategy. 3rd party candidates haven't stood a chance since Ross Perot did what he did. At most they can take votes away from one candidate but they cannot and will not get enough to win. Why? Because nobody has any confidence that they can.
Perhaps if one of the 3rd party candidates had significant numbers in the polls it might be worth it, but they don't. And IF Gary Johnson were to win he is nothing but a pothead socialist pretending to be a libertarian. He's more dangerous than Trump.
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Why not respond to the substance of what I posted @driftdiver ?
Why do you believe that not having an alternative to voting for either EVIL candidate other than voting for a candidate who is not evil is pro-actively "CHEERING" the burning of America?
Address the substance of that question with a logical response, please.
@musiclady
Why? Because you are a liar.
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Wishful thinking isn't a strategy. 3rd party candidates haven't stood a chance since Ross Perot did what he did. At most they can take votes away from one candidate but they cannot and will not get enough to win. Why? Because nobody has any confidence that they can.
Perhaps if one of the 3rd party candidates had significant numbers in the polls it might be worth it, but they don't. And IF Gary Johnson were to win he is nothing but a pothead socialists pretending to be a liberal. He's more dangerous than Trump.
You are engaging in the most overt "wishful thinking strategy" possible.
You are wishing away Trump's across the board liberalism and hoping he'll do something contrary to what he believes in, and appoint conservative SJ nominees.
There has never been so fanciful a pipe dream in the history of politics.
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Wishful thinking isn't a strategy. 3rd party candidates haven't stood a chance since Ross Perot did what he did. At most they can take votes away from one candidate but they cannot and will not get enough to win. Why? Because nobody has any confidence that they can.
Perhaps if one of the 3rd party candidates had significant numbers in the polls it might be worth it, but they don't. And IF Gary Johnson were to win he is nothing but a pothead socialists pretending to be a liberal. He's more dangerous than Trump.
It isn't wishful, it is just my personal choice. I know the odds are against my choice. But it is my choice. Somewhere, someone has to stand, even if they are alone, for what they believe is right. I know this meme isn't popular due to the time period, but I have personal reasoning because one of my distant relatives was that guy (not that exact guy), who joined the resistance against the populist movement that he was told he must 'join or die'.. the odds were greater, but he stood for what he believed was right... He didn't have 'wishful thinking', he just did what he thought was right (and paid the ultimate price in Dachau). Yes, that's an extreme example, but it is personal to me and part of my nature.
(https://hiredknaves.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/bethisguy.jpg)
Imagine the world if more people didn't just go along to get along, but stood for what they belived was right.
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We know what you do as well. Enable evil.
@Norm Lenhart
Yep, I follow Jesus's example of working with imperfect people and not expecting them to be without sin.
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@Norm Lenhart
Yep, I follow Jesus's example of working with imperfect people and not expecting them to be without sin.
Right. You might believe that. Very few others do.
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Why? Because you are a liar.
What the heck?!?
You used to be a reasonable guy. What happened to you?
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It isn't wishful, it is just my personal choice. I know the odds are against my choice. But it is my choice. Somewhere, someone has to stand, even if they are alone, for what they believe is right. I know this meme isn't popular due to the time period, but I have personal reasoning because one of my distant relatives was that guy (not that exact guy), who joined the resistance against the populist movement that he was told he must 'join or die'.. the odds were greater, but he stood for what he believed was right... He didn't have 'wishful thinking', he just did what he thought was right (and paid the ultimate price in Dachau). Yes, that's an extreme example, but it is personal to me and part of my nature.
(https://hiredknaves.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/bethisguy.jpg)
Imagine the world if more people didn't just go along to get along, but stood for what they belived was right.
@AbaraXas
What difference did that guy make? I have respect for the Germans who tried to assassinate Hitler but this guy did nothing. However, from what I've read those who tried to stop Hitler only did it because he was losing the war, not to stop the war.
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@musiclady
Why? Because you are a liar.
And calling me a liar proves exactly what?? That you're a lousy debater with a phony diversion tactic with no basis in truth or reality? Or what??
Everyone on this forum (including YOU) knows that I'm not a liar. It's stupid to call me one, when it has no basis in fact. Does making that accusation make you feel good? Tough? Like a winner? Does it help your argument?
Or is it just a cop out because you don't have an answer for your preposterous, "either you do what I say or you're happy the country is burning" tripe?
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@Norm Lenhart
Yep, I follow Jesus's example of working with imperfect people and not expecting them to be without sin.
Good example, because the one time we can find Jesus getting angry wasn't against what he was told were his natural political opponents he would have been told it was his duty to oppose (the Romans) but against those in his own church (which was also the political leadership of the day) who had defiled what it meant. He threw the money changers out of his own house. He cleaned his own house first.
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Right. You might believe that. Very few others do.
@Norm Lenhart
Many people do, its a minority that dont.
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What the heck?!?
You used to be a reasonable guy. What happened to you?
@r9etb @musiclady
I don't appreciate being called stupid because I disagree with someone. And I don't appreciate being called a liar when I call them on it.
Our country is burning down and you folks are rearranging the chairs on the titanic. I could give a rats behind what most of you think any more.
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And calling me a liar proves exactly what?? That you're a lousy debater with a phony diversion tactic with no basis in truth or reality? Or what??
Everyone on this forum (including YOU) knows that I'm not a liar. It's stupid to call me one, when it has no basis in fact. Does making that accusation make you feel good? Tough? Like a winner? Does it help your argument?
Or is it just a cop out because you don't have an answer for your preposterous, "either you do what I say or you're happy the country is burning" tripe?
@musiclady
blah blah blah
You know what you did. I once respected you but can now see I was incredibly wrong.
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Please stop the personal attacks...calling someone a liar is a personal attack.
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@r9etb @musiclady
I don't appreciate being called stupid because I disagree with someone. And I don't appreciate being called a liar when I call them on it.
Our country is burning down and you folks are rearranging the chairs on the titanic. I could give a rats behind what most of you think any more.
The only one here calling people stupid and a liar is you.
I'm not going to go back and explain again to others what I actually said, but I never said you were stupid.
You're making things up because you're mad that you don't have an argument solid enough to persuade conservatives to vote for a corrupt, vulgar liberal.
It's not making me look bad. Just you.
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How do you save a drowning man when he keeps grabbing weights?
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Hey look he's either going to get eaten by mega-shark or the giant squid you just have to choose which is the lesser of two evils.
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See the part I added in bold, that's where you added in the self-defeating opinion that the establishment pushes.
People don't vote for the alternative candidate because they are told they don't have a chance of winning.
Why don't they have a chance of winning?
Because people don't vote for them because they are told they don't have a chance of winning.
See how that works?
In reality, looking at our history of elections, they do have a chance of winning- albeit small, but it is there. All people need to do is reject the establishment rules of the game.
Three times in our history, the vote was decided by the House. Three of our Presidents claimed no party affiliation (Washington, Tyler, Johnson). Three other Presidents came from what would be described as third parties (Lincoln, Harrison, Johnson). Out of 44 Presidential races, those are not bad odds.
The only thing that will change things is if people stand up, one by one, and make that decision themselves instead of going along with the flow because they have been convinced that is the only choice they have. Winners write their own rules, losers sit back and blindly accept ones shoved at them.
Johnson isn't getting any traction because his policies are a grab bag that appeals to no one. Combined with his general demeanor, which doesn't exude "Presidential" and its no wonder he can't poll any better even with the candidates we have. Third parties are also at a strategic disadvantage. There is no proportional representation in the legislature, which keeps minority parties from winning any seats. Even if a third party President were to win, he wouldn't have any help in Congress. It is wishful thinking.
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@AbaraXas
What difference did that guy make? I have respect for the Germans who tried to assassinate Hitler but this guy did nothing. However, from what I've read those who tried to stop Hitler only did it because he was losing the war, not to stop the war.
Well, for my great-great-great uncle, the difference involved those who he forged papers for as well as possibly a military advantage for the allies as he passed along intelligence for Russia. And you should take some time to educate yourself on the Weimar resistance movements like the Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold and White Rose. They didn't do so because Hitler was losing, some like the Reichsbanner opposed Nazism and other similar nationalist movements very early on, well before they took power, because they saw the danger to the Weimar Republic that those groups had.
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@musiclady
blah blah blah
You know what you did. I once respected you but can now see I was incredibly wrong.
Wrong.
You never respected me. If you did you wouldn't turn on a dime at something you just imagined I said, and still be furious weeks and weeks later.........furious enough to call me a liar, when you know I'm not.
That's not respect in any sense of the word.
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@r9etb @musiclady
I don't appreciate being called stupid because I disagree with someone. And I don't appreciate being called a liar when I call them on it.
Our country is burning down and you folks are rearranging the chairs on the titanic. I could give a rats behind what most of you think any more.
Thats OK. We don't care what a liberal enabler thinks either.
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Good example, because the one time we can find Jesus getting angry wasn't against what he was told were his natural political opponents he would have been told it was his duty to oppose (the Romans) but against those in his own church (which was also the political leadership of the day) who had defiled what it meant. He threw the money changers out of his own house. He cleaned his own house first.
@AbaraXas
Who you gonna throw out? We are commanded to submit to our government. It doesn't say submit if the govt is clean, or moral. We have a say in who is appointed over us based on the system our forefathers put in place. We have failed for generations to hold our leaders accountable and the only way to start is to step up to the table. Walking away from the table will only ensure we don't have a say in what happens.
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@r9etb @musiclady
you folks are rearranging the chairs on the titanic....
And we see it as Trump is steering us toward the iceberg on the right, Hillary steering us to the iceberg on the left, and some of us are going to stand on the bow and say Stop! even if we are a lone voice.
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@AbaraXas
Who you gonna throw out? We are commanded to submit to our government. It doesn't say submit if the govt is clean, or moral. We have a say in who is appointed over us based on the system our forefathers put in place. We have failed for generations to hold our leaders accountable and the only way to start is to step up to the table. Walking away from the table will only ensure we don't have a say in what happens.
Do you submit to Obama?
Americans do not bow before rulers.
Remember, our government isn't a ruling royal class. Our government's basis is the Constitution of the United States. Those in the government are representatives of the people, not rulers over the people to submit to.
We are not submitting to a king. We are a Constitutional Representative Republic where the individual's rights are sacrosanct.
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@bolobaby
Cruz isn't on the ballot anymore in most places. Regardless of what Texas does having Hillary and the muslim global train as a neighbor would be a bad idea.
@driftdiver
Write him in, if allowed.
Or, if your ballot has only Trump and Clinton, don't vote. Unless you feel that the ballot is forcing you to vote. Like this one...
(http://www.3rd-rock.org/iraq/humour/voting-form.gif)
If you SERIOUSLY think that supporting one of these two train wrecks truly is the answer, then you deserve an America like Hussein's Iraq.
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Wrong.
You never respected me. If you did you wouldn't turn on a dime at something you just imagined I said, and still be furious weeks and weeks later.........furious enough to call me a liar, when you know I'm not.
That's not respect in any sense of the word.
@musiclady
Not furious at anyone but just angry with myself for having bad judgement in the first place. I called you a liar because you have lied about and to me. You were given a chance to fix it and refused. You went even further to continue the insults.
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I don't appreciate being called stupid because I disagree with someone. And I don't appreciate being called a liar when I call them on it.
@driftdiver
Fair enough. Nobody appreciates being falsely accused. The true test of good manners, however, is how you respond.....
Our country is burning down and you folks are rearranging the chairs on the titanic. I could give a rats behind what most of you think any more.
And speaking of false accusations -- are you calling people "stupid," and painting with an over-broad brush to boot?
Speaking for myself, I cannot vote for a candidate who is utterly unfit for office, whether the candidate is Hillary Clinton, or Donald Trump. Putting either one of them in the Oval Office is tantamount to throwing gas on the fire, widening the hole in the ship of state, or whatever metaphors you care to mix.
Doing the right thing even if it makes no difference ... is still doing the right thing.
And doing the wrong thing in the forlorn hope that Trump will be different as president than he is now... that's the same kind of blindness that abused women suffer as a result of believing that they can "change" their boyfriends from animals into men.
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@AbaraXas
Who you gonna throw out? We are commanded to submit to our government. It doesn't say submit if the govt is clean, or moral. We have a say in who is appointed over us based on the system our forefathers put in place. We have failed for generations to hold our leaders accountable and the only way to start is to step up to the table. Walking away from the table will only ensure we don't have a say in what happens.
@driftdiver
Yeah, man... those pilgrims that walked away from King George's table... boy did they ever screw up in having a say in what happens!
Please. The time has come for all men of good conscience to stop participating in this uniparty debacle we call "government." It's time for us to start going politically Galt (for starters), then wholly Galt while the system burns itself down.
No, we don't delight in it, but that's where we are.
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@driftdiver
Write him in, if allowed.
Or, if your ballot has only Trump and Clinton, don't vote. Unless you feel that the ballot is forcing you to vote. Like this one...
(http://www.3rd-rock.org/iraq/humour/voting-form.gif)
If you SERIOUSLY think that supporting one of these two train wrecks truly is the answer, then you deserve an America like Hussein's Iraq.
@bolobaby
A coworker spent about 5 years traveling around iraq working with business and government leaders. He tells me that most Iraq's would prefer to be back under Saddam compared to what they have now. They told him that if you followed the rules he left you alone. Sure you might do without water and electricity but they were used to it. Ironic that you use that example as a HIllary presidency would move us much closer to that style of rule.
I think one of these two train wrecks will be the next President here. There is no other viable option. I can wish it were different but that wont change anything.
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@driftdiver
Yeah, man... those pilgrims that walked away from King George's table... boy did they ever screw up in having a say in what happens!
Please. The time has come for all men of good conscience to stop participating in this uniparty debacle we call "government." It's time for us to start going politically Galt (for starters), then wholly Galt while the system burns itself down.
No, we don't delight in it, but that's where we are.
@bolobaby
So what new world are you gonna go to? I've heard good things about Panama and Costa Rica but have my doubts.
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@bolobaby
A coworker spent about 5 years traveling around iraq working with business and government leaders. He tells me that most Iraq's would prefer to be back under Saddam compared to what they have now. They told him that if you followed the rules he left you alone. Sure you might do without water and electricity but they were used to it. Ironic that you use that example as a HIllary presidency would move us much closer to that style of rule.
I think one of these two train wrecks will be the next President here. There is no other viable option. I can wish it were different but that wont change anything.
@driftdiver
Oh, no doubt one of these buffoons will be president, but you will NOT have me to blame for it, regardless of which one.
And thank Obama for losing the peace over in Iraq.
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Do you submit to Obama?
Americans do not bow before rulers.
Remember, our government isn't a ruling royal class. Our government's basis is the Constitution of the United States. Those in the government are representatives of the people, not rulers over the people to submit to.
We are not submitting to a king. We are a Constitutional Representative Republic where the individual's rights are sacrosanct.
yes I submit to Obama. I have continued to pay my taxes and obey the law. I suspect you have as well.
Christians submit to the leaders God has appointed over them. We get the leaders we deserve. Its our duty to deserve better leaders. That takes planning, participation and lots of work.
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yes I submit to Obama. I have continued to pay my taxes and obey the law. I suspect you have as well.
Christians submit to the leaders God has appointed over them. We get the leaders we deserve. Its our duty to deserve better leaders. That takes planning, participation and lots of work.
He told you in 2012 you should support him and vote for him. Did you?
(I know the answer to that is you didn't of course; just rhetorical). Right now, neither Trump nor Hillary are President so I have zero obligation to support or defend either. They are candidates for an office, and just like when Obama was a candidate for an office, you opposed him because he didn't match your values, I am opposing Trump and Hillary because they don't match mine.
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@driftdiver
Fair enough. Nobody appreciates being falsely accused. The true test of good manners, however, is how you respond.....
And speaking of false accusations -- are you calling people "stupid," and painting with an over-broad brush to boot?
Speaking for myself, I cannot vote for a candidate who is utterly unfit for office, whether the candidate is Hillary Clinton, or Donald Trump. Putting either one of them in the Oval Office is tantamount to throwing gas on the fire, widening the hole in the ship of state, or whatever metaphors you care to mix.
Doing the right thing even if it makes no difference ... is still doing the right thing.
And doing the wrong thing in the forlorn hope that Trump will be different as president than he is now... that's the same kind of blindness that abused women suffer as a result of believing that they can "change" their boyfriends from animals into men.
@r9etb @mystery-ak @musiclady
Oh I responded properly the first time only to be called stupid yet again. Then called a liar when I challenged them.
The loudest voices here are rearranging the deck chairs. ANYONE who speaks out gets thumped and put in the same category as the Trump trolls.
Whatever you call it, one of two people will be President. Hillary is probably going to win but I will not sit here and do anything except condemn her and try to figure out what I can do to keep the country from getting worse.
Doing nothing but nonstop tirades on how bad Trump is will do nothing to help this country. If anything it will hurt this country and all of our families.
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@r9etb @mystery-ak @musiclady
Oh I responded properly the first time only to be called stupid yet again. Then called a liar when I challenged them.
The loudest voices here are rearranging the deck chairs. ANYONE who speaks out gets thumped and put in the same category as the Trump trolls.
Whatever you call it, one of two people will be President. Hillary is probably going to win but I will not sit here and do anything except condemn her and try to figure out what I can do to keep the country from getting worse.
Doing nothing but nonstop tirades on how bad Trump is will do nothing to help this country. If anything it will hurt this country and all of our families.
Everything you said.
Personally I dislike Trump immensely but Hillary Clinton and her crypto-fascist progressivism is far more of a threat to me than is Trump's ignorance and ego.
One will be president. I have NO choice.
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@driftdiver
You keep saying one of the 2 will be president. Yes, if you vote for either one of them that will happen. But if everyone who doesn't like either one votes for some third party or fourth or fifth party, and neither one gets the required 270 votes then they won't be.
If you vote for one of these two then you're just making it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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@driftdiver
You keep saying one of the 2 will be president. Yes, if you vote for either one of them that will happen. But if everyone who doesn't like either one votes for some third party or fourth or fifth party, and neither one gets the required 270 votes then they won't be.
If you vote for one of these two then you're just making it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
It's a fact but they refuse to accept it. So they intentionally want liberalism. If they wanted conservatism they would vote to advance it. Their mistaken beliefs about 'no choice' and 'two options' do not in any way alter the reality that there are choices they simply choose not to exercise.
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@driftdiver
You keep saying one of the 2 will be president. Yes, if you vote for either one of them that will happen. But if everyone who doesn't like either one votes for some third party or fourth or fifth party, and neither one gets the required 270 votes then they won't be.
If you vote for one of these two then you're just making it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
@chae
You mean my vote alone decides the winner? WoW the power!!
Do any of the other candidates poll higher then 8%? No? Then they dont have a chance. I do my best to deal in reality. If I'm going to start wishing then it would be for someone like Cruz to be elected.
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It's a fact but they refuse to accept it. So they intentionally want liberalism. If they wanted conservatism they would vote to advance it. Their mistaken beliefs about 'no choice' and 'two options' do not in any way alter the reality that there are choices they simply choose not to exercise.
@mystery-ak @Norm Lenhart
Like this post. I disagree with their losing strategy and so I'm accused of wanting liberalism. Essentially of wanting Hillary.
I'd say I'll be glad when this election is over but that means Hillary will be the president, and thats not a good thing. meanwhile so many people do nothing to stop it.
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@musiclady
Not furious at anyone but just angry with myself for having bad judgement in the first place. I called you a liar because you have lied about and to me. You were given a chance to fix it and refused. You went even further to continue the insults.
Let me explain (to others, if not to you) what actually happened. I'm not a bearer of grudges, so I don't keep track of everything that's said to or against me, but I'll try to reconstruct just the basics.
IIRC, we were having a disagreement, and I used the words "slow learner" because you weren't listening to what was being said. In the same way, I saw a post you wrote yesterday where you told a poster you would "type slower" so he got what you were saying.
You were not calling that poster stupid. I was not calling you stupid. You were not picking up the points being made (as happens with all of us).
When you accused me of calling you stupid (which I wasn't), I explained, and that was when you started calling me a liar. I wasn't lying. I'm not lying now. btw, saying that someone is making a stupid argument (which most of us do now and again) is not saying a person is stupid.
I do not now, nor have I ever thought you were either stupid or dishonest, but it's clear that you believe me to be, so I would suggest you put me back on Ignore so this doesn't happen again.
I apologize for saying something that made you misunderstand me and think I believed you were stupid. I never thought you were. I still don't.
But you are clearly very sensitive, and you clearly hold grudges, so I won't address any of your phony arguments and personal attacks on people who won't vote for Trump.
Suffice it to say that those of us who aren't voting for Trump are NOT "cheering" that the country is burning.
You are not stupid. You are not a liar. You are just very, very wrong.
@driftdiver - this is the last I will address this. If you want to go on attacking me, I won't stop you. I'll let my record stand on its own.
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@r9etb @mystery-ak @musiclady
Whatever you call it, one of two people will be President. Hillary is probably going to win but I will not sit here and do anything except condemn her and try to figure out what I can do to keep the country from getting worse.
Nobody on this forum disagrees with you on this. Nobody. We all believe Hillary Clinton will be awful, and we do condemn her, and we do wish to prevent the country from getting worse.
Where we disagree is in our assessment of whether Trump will make things worse, or not. I believe he will be just as bad as Hillary, and possibly even worse, due to his propensity for picking stupid fights, and his inability to keep his mouth shut. You have a different opinion. Fine.
Doing nothing but nonstop tirades on how bad Trump is will do nothing to help this country. If anything it will hurt this country and all of our families.
That goes both ways on this site -- nonstop tirades on how not voting for Trump is voting for Hillary, etc. People can argue about that -- it's what forums like this are all about.
It's very unfortunate that such discussions too often descend into name-calling and ill feeling. Internet conversations have a tendency to do that -- and the dissension among generally like-minded people does far more to help Hillary Clinton, than would a decision to not vote for Trump.
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Nobody on this forum disagrees with you on this. Nobody. We all believe Hillary Clinton will be awful, and we do condemn her, and we do wish to prevent the country from getting worse.
Where we disagree is in our assessment of whether Trump will make things worse, or not. I believe he will be just as bad as Hillary, and possibly even worse, due to his propensity for picking stupid fights, and his inability to keep his mouth shut. You have a different opinion. Fine.
That goes both ways on this site -- nonstop tirades on how not voting for Trump is voting for Hillary, etc. People can argue about that -- it's what forums like this are all about.
It's very unfortunate that such discussions too often descend into name-calling and ill feeling. Internet conversations have a tendency to do that -- and the dissension among generally like-minded people does far more to help Hillary Clinton, than would a decision to not vote for Trump.
One of two people will be President. It sucks but its the reality.
For saying that I'm accused of wanting a liberal (aka wanting Hillary) and called all kinds of names. Basically the same treatment given at TOS to anyone who speaks out against Trump. Minus the banning so far.
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@mystery-ak @Norm Lenhart
Like this post. I disagree with their losing strategy and so I'm accused of wanting liberalism. Essentially of wanting Hillary.
I'd say I'll be glad when this election is over but that means Hillary will be the president, and thats not a good thing. meanwhile so many people do nothing to stop it.
No, you are guilty of wanting liberalism because every election you demand people vote for liberals.
Fact: You flat out perpetuate the LIE that we have no choice but Trump. We Do. You have been corrected many times on this.
Fact: there are at least 5 options on the Ballot. One is a write in.
Fact: Johnson is more conservative than Trump so if you truly wanted lesser evil, he would meet that criteria.
Fact: Winning with a liberal is still losing for America and in no way conservative.
Therefor we can conclude that since there is at MINIMUM, one more conservative choice than trump, One has to actively prefer the liberal choices available.
If you want to try selling the idea that you get conservatism by electing liberals every election, which you consistently push for and have going back to the FR days, you won't find anyone but fellow travelers agreeing with you.
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Let me explain (to others, if not to you) what actually happened. I'm not a bearer of grudges, so I don't keep track of everything that's said to or against me, but I'll try to reconstruct just the basics.
IIRC, we were having a disagreement, and I used the words "slow learner" because you weren't listening to what was being said. In the same way, I saw a post you wrote yesterday where you told a poster you would "type slower" so he got what you were saying.
You were not calling that poster stupid. I was not calling you stupid. You were not picking up the points being made (as happens with all of us).
When you accused me of calling you stupid (which I wasn't), I explained, and that was when you started calling me a liar. I wasn't lying. I'm not lying now. btw, saying that someone is making a stupid argument (which most of us do now and again) is not saying a person is stupid.
I do not now, nor have I ever thought you were either stupid or dishonest, but it's clear that you believe me to be, so I would suggest you put me back on Ignore so this doesn't happen again.
I apologize for saying something that made you misunderstand me and think I believed you were stupid. I never thought you were. I still don't.
But you are clearly very sensitive, and you clearly hold grudges, so I won't address any of your phony arguments and personal attacks on people who won't vote for Trump.
Suffice it to say that those of us who aren't voting for Trump are NOT "cheering" that the country is burning.
You are not stupid. You are not a liar. You are just very, very wrong.
@driftdiver - this is the last I will address this. If you want to go on attacking me, I won't stop you. I'll let my record stand on its own.
@musiclady
I'm a "slow learne"r I guess. Because I keep giving you chances to belittle me and insult me. This time I use the ignore button
So much for mutual respect, right?
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Fact: Johnson is more conservative than Trump so if you truly wanted lesser evil, he would meet that criteria.
Fact: Winning with a liberal is still losing for America and in no way conservative.
Not only that, but Johnson's fundamentally an honest man, and understands the Constitution and its limitations. That ought to be enough for anyone who can't in good conscience vote for Trump.
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Not only that, but Johnson's fundamentally an honest man, and understands the Constitution and its limitations. That ought to be enough for anyone who can't in good conscience vote for Trump.
Then there's the point that all he cares about is winning. If that is the case he is not going to win with Trump so he may as well vote Johnson, Castle or write in.
So what does that leave? Wanting liberalism.
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One of two people will be President. It sucks but its the reality.
For saying that I'm accused of wanting a liberal (aka wanting Hillary) and called all kinds of names. Basically the same treatment given at TOS to anyone who speaks out against Trump. Minus the banning so far.
Well, OK. But to be honest, if this thread is any indication the nature of your own responses may have something to do with it. If somebody insults you, there is no requirement (other than your own pride) for you to respond in kind. It's easier and better for the blood pressure to avoid rash responses; or to avoid responding altogether if an offending post makes no points worth the effort of responding to. (Not that I always follow my own advice, but I've gotten a lot better over the years.....)
It's quite true that one of the two will be president. I can't imagine why people of good will could object to a statement like that. Nor, if one is honest, can one rationally argue with the prediction that Hillary Clinton is probably the "one."
It's what comes next -- what can I do with my vote to affect the result -- that causes the problem. People of good will can and do disagree on that. The presenting issue is how we respond to differences of opinion, and differences in voting. As a political body we can either shatter, or get past the issue and find ways to work together.
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Well, OK. But to be honest, if this thread is any indication the nature of your own responses may have something to do with it. If somebody insults you, there is no requirement (other than your own pride) for you to respond in kind. It's easier and better for the blood pressure to avoid rash responses; or to avoid responding altogether if an offending post makes no points worth the effort of responding to. (Not that I always follow my own advice, but I've gotten a lot better over the years.....)
It's quite true that one of the two will be president. I can't imagine why people of good will could object to a statement like that. Nor, if one is honest, can one rationally argue with the prediction that Hillary Clinton is probably the "one."
It's what comes next -- what can I do with my vote to affect the result -- that causes the problem. People of good will can and do disagree on that. The presenting issue is how we respond to differences of opinion, and differences in voting. As a political body we can either shatter, or get past the issue and find ways to work together.
@r9etb
I get tired of being called a liberal, of wanting a liberal and so on. No discussion such as what you're doing, just throwing insults. So yeah I get irate. We're already beyond shattered and that was probably the goal of Hillarys Duck trolls. Many have climbed on and poured gasoline onto the spark she started.
IMO if Hillary wins, and she probably will, this country is finished. We'll see massive numbers of muslim immigrants and millions of illegals will be made legal. Our Supreme Court will be ruling against the 1st and 2nd and the 4th will be even more hollow than it is now. Our military will be non-existent and our enemies will have all of our secrets. Our Congress will not impede her and anyone speaking out will be punished.
Have you seen ANY positive suggestions for preventing any of the above?
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@r9etb
I get tired of being called a liberal, of wanting a liberal and so on. No discussion such as what you're doing, just throwing insults. So yeah I get irate. We're already beyond shattered and that was probably the goal of Hillarys Duck trolls. Many have climbed on and poured gasoline onto the spark she started.
IMO if Hillary wins, and she probably will, this country is finished. We'll see massive numbers of muslim immigrants and millions of illegals will be made legal. Our Supreme Court will be ruling against the 1st and 2nd and the 4th will be even more hollow than it is now. Our military will be non-existent and our enemies will have all of our secrets. Our Congress will not impede her and anyone speaking out will be punished.
Have you seen ANY positive suggestions for preventing any of the above?
@driftdiver
Yes - there is only one way - and it is regardless of a Trump or a Hillary win.
We need an Article 5 convention of the states. Period. Full stop.
No single candidate can stop what is happening to our country. If any candidate tries, the SCOTUS will crap all over their effort. Congress will balk. A crappy compromise will be made that puts the government's interest first.
A convention of the states will allow local governments to emasculate the federal machine. If they resist what the convention calls for, then they will be fully unmasked to the country, allowing a revolutionary overthrow of an overreaching federal bureaucracy.
That is it.
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@driftdiver
Yes - there is only one way - and it is regardless of a Trump or a Hillary win.
We need an Article 5 convention of the states. Period. Full stop.
No single candidate can stop what is happening to our country. If any candidate tries, the SCOTUS will crap all over their effort. Congress will balk. A crappy compromise will be made that puts the government's interest first.
A convention of the states will allow local governments to emasculate the federal machine. If they resist what the convention calls for, then they will be fully unmasked to the country, allowing a revolutionary overthrow of an overreaching federal bureaucracy.
That is it.
Calls for that seem to have waned. Probably because of summer vacations caused people to prioritize their summer and fall schedules.
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@r9etb
IMO if Hillary wins, and she probably will, this country is finished. We'll see massive numbers of muslim immigrants and millions of illegals will be made legal. Our Supreme Court will be ruling against the 1st and 2nd and the 4th will be even more hollow than it is now. Our military will be non-existent and our enemies will have all of our secrets. Our Congress will not impede her and anyone speaking out will be punished.
Have you seen ANY positive suggestions for preventing any of the above?
Well, yeah.... I don't think any of that is actually going to happen. While I believe Hillary Clinton will be a terrible president, I seriously doubt she has the political capital to make any of that actually work -- so long as all of us who oppose her, spend our time opposing her, rather than each other.
Further, I think the mid-term political backlash against Hillary Clinton will be far worse than it was against Bill Clinton or Barack Obama, both of whom are perceived to be far more attractive human beings than she is.
Next, unfortunately, Obama's carnivorous chickens are going to come home to roost on her watch, and she'll be so busy trying (and failing) to deal with them that she'll have no time for anything else.
Finally, I think her ill health is going to become a real issue once she has to start dealing with the pressures of the presidency. President Kaine is a real possibility.
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I wonder...if your daughter or female member of your family gets groped or is sexually harassed...are you going to blame them for the attack or unwanted advances like you're doing with these women?
MY wife Was sexually harrassed several time by a male employee. First time lewd comments.She told him off. Second time he squeezed her ass. She kicked him so hard in the shin he limped for 4 days. He never did it again.
Of course this was back in the late 80's when women took matters into their own hands and did not cry like little SJW's to the human resources department and she is also a no nonsense cow girl who does not take crap.
@txradioguy
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Shouldn't matter her profession.
She started a website promoting herself a day before she made the allegations...hhhmmmm
@txradioguy
@driftdiver
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Timing is suspect on all of these IMO but how can you say it didn't occur when Trump himself, with his own words, bragged about doing this sort of thing?
Doesn't matter anyway, Trump is toast.
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She started a website promoting herself a day before she made the allegations...hhhmmmm
Well, yeah... she's a porn star; websites are their bread and butter. It's no surprise that she'd use the notoriety to make a few more bucks showing people what Trump grabbed hold of. Just because Trump groped her doesn't change what she does for money.
None of which alters the fact that Trump's response is a) unbelievably idiotic, b) precisely what you'd expect from him, and c) seems to be an admission that he did it (but hey, she's a porn star, so who cares, right?).
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Calls for that seem to have waned. Probably because of summer vacations caused people to prioritize their summer and fall schedules.
@driftdiver
Yeah, you're right. Instead of fixing the country, we should instead support a total liberal jackass as the GOP nominee for president.
My bad.
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Timing is suspect on all of these IMO but how can you say it didn't occur when Trump himself, with his own words, bragged about doing this sort of thing?
Doesn't matter anyway, Trump is toast.
It really is a he said/she said
Who are you going to believe.
A woman who claims Trump grabbed her by the *****.
Or Trump who bragged he likes to grab women by the ***** (and can get away with it because he is a celebrity).
It really is a tough one to decide who to trust.
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Well, yeah.... I don't think any of that is actually going to happen. While I believe Hillary Clinton will be a terrible president, I seriously doubt she has the political capital to make any of that actually work -- so long as all of us who oppose her, spend our time opposing her, rather than each other.
Further, I think the mid-term political backlash against Hillary Clinton will be far worse than it was against Bill Clinton or Barack Obama, both of whom are perceived to be far more attractive human beings than she is.
Next, unfortunately, Obama's carnivorous chickens are going to come home to roost on her watch, and she'll be so busy trying (and failing) to deal with them that she'll have no time for anything else.
Finally, I think her ill health is going to become a real issue once she has to start dealing with the pressures of the presidency. President Kaine is a real possibility.
I wonder how many of those billionaires who have invested so much in her agree with you. The ones like Soros who want America brought into a global govt. A govt which is not democratic and does not guarantee rights. A govt which is totalitarian to ensure their fortunes and crony capitalism remain intact.
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It really is a he said/she said
Who are you going to believe.
A woman who claims Trump grabbed her by the *****.
Or Trump who bragged he likes to grab women by the ***** (and can get away with it because he is a celebrity).
It really is a tough one to decide who to trust.
Doesn't even matter. We're arguing about this garbage makes us all look like idiots, frankly.
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@driftdiver
One of those billionaires was Trump,
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@driftdiver
Yeah, you're right. Instead of fixing the country, we should instead support a total liberal jackass as the GOP nominee for president.
My bad.
Yet another example of how folks here jump to insults and flaming.
We will have a shit ball for president. One is worse then the other. Neither fixes the problem but one will do less damage.
Instead of bitching about Trump why arent you advocating for the convention? Did your vacation plans interfere?
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Doesn't even matter. We're arguing about this garbage makes us all look like idiots, frankly.
Welcome to the 2016 election cycle. Proving Idiocracy was prophetic.
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@txradioguy
My daughter wouldn't be a porn 'actress' nor would she wait 20 years to make a claim if she were assaulted.
By the way, groping someone isn't an 'advance', its sexual assault. An advance is "hey you wanna go out for dinner", or "thats a beautiful dress" or any number of other things which happen daily.
What difference does it make what she does for a living? If she isn't doing it with him, she has a right not to be molested, whether she's a porn actress or Mother Teresa.
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Yet another example of how folks here jump to insults and flaming.
We will have a shit ball for president. One is worse then the other. Neither fixes the problem but one will do less damage.
Instead of bitching about Trump why arent you advocating for the convention? Did your vacation plans interfere?
@driftdiver
Wrong. My response was a DIRECT reaction to YOUR response. You trivialized the notion of a Convention of the States with a snarky comment about people's schedules, so I threw snark right back at you.
Then, you call MY response "insults and flaming" after YOU provided the snark FIRST.
MOREOVER, you double-down on your snark by asking why I am not advocating for a Convention of States (after I *just* did, and have been for a long time) and throw out the "vacation plans" snark AGAIN.
You are now exposed as a hypocrite who simply wishes to rabble-rouse for Trump, hoping that will somehow gain him votes. Your response is a simple fraud, as is most of what Trumpettes espouse.
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As a reminder, some of Bill Clinton's accusers waited over 20 years to come forward. Juanita Broaddrick for example, said she was raped by Clinton in the early 70s and didn't come forward until 1999, and we automatically believed her.
How about the Bill Cosby accusers who came forward after 20-30 years?
Jeffery Epstein's accusers?
Marty Weiss (Nickelodeon producer and pedophile)?
Tommy Lowery (Hollywood talent manager and pedophile)?
At that, it isn't unusual at all for victims of assault to come forward, especially if they feel comfortable because others are coming forward (see the Cosby case or Bill Clinton).
Do we know yet if this one is telling the truth?
If it was just Gloria Allred bringing her forward, I would doubt it... But if we didn't have the accused bragging he liked to do what she accused him of.. and now, instead of a denial, implying she deserved it... that kind of leans towards believing the victim over the accused.
Why did we automatically believe all the other accusers, but don't believe Trump's accusers?
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@Norm Lenhart
Winners write the rules.
Losers sit back and continue to whine and cry. We know what you do.
Let me put it this way. If enough of you "winners" voting for LOSERS would vote for someone of decent character and with a less Leftist bent, we'd win!
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@musiclady
I'm a "slow learne"r I guess. Because I keep giving you chances to belittle me and insult me. This time I use the ignore button
So much for mutual respect, right?
What an odd response from someone who apparently doesn't think it's insulting to call someone a liar out of the blue.
Almost bizarre actually.
I guess your definition of decency and respect are different from what most of us think. I don't think it's respectful to publicly accuse someone falsely, but I guess we're all different and some of you do....
At any rate, I haven't belittled you, your protestations notwithstanding, and I'm glad for your sake that you've put me on ignore so you don't get hurt any more than you are now.
But I still strongly disagree with your accusation that non Trump voters are cheerful about the country's demise.
We argued and debated to keep Trump from winning the primary so that the whole country wouldn't have to be embarrassed by having arguably two of the vilest candidates in US history running against each other.
We sounded the warning because we love this country so dearly, but we were ignored, and the worst of all possible futures is before us, thanks to Donald Trump, and the media and loyalists who forced him on us against our wills and against the best interest of the country.
Now we will continue to do what our consciences dictate, and refuse to accept the blame for setting the country on fire, when we were there trying to get rid of the arsonist, Donald Trump.
Good luck, @driftdiver . I hope you get over your hurt soon.
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Let me put it this way. If enough of you "winners" voting for LOSERS would vote for someone of decent character and with a less Leftist bent, we'd win!
Nope. They know better than math. And logic is what they say it is. Because reasons. So you are wrong. Just ask him/them.
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I wonder how many of those billionaires who have invested so much in her agree with you. The ones like Soros who want America brought into a global govt. A govt which is not democratic and does not guarantee rights. A govt which is totalitarian to ensure their fortunes and crony capitalism remain intact.
You sit in a country where the government can take your land if you fill in a mud hole, where the type of light bulb you use is set by law, where your new toilet capacity is codified, where myriad regulations blanket everything you do, and worry about totalitarianism. While you weren't looking, the NSA was recording your stuff sans warrant and you were video recorded on a host of cameras if you weren't out in the boonies. If you were in a major urban area with toll bridges, your passage through the checkpoints was recorded, every non-cash purchase you made is on a computer and accessible. Totalitarianism is already here, they just have to plug a few things in.
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Let me put it this way. If enough of you "winners" voting for LOSERS would vote for someone of decent character and with a less Leftist bent, we'd win!
If that's winning, Trump's right. I'm sick of winning. :shrug:
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You sit in a country where the government can take your land if you fill in a mud hole, where the type of light bulb you use is set by law, where your new toilet capacity is codified, where myriad regulations blanket everything you do, and worry about totalitarianism. While you weren't looking, the NSA was recording your stuff sans warrant and you were video recorded on a host of cameras if you weren't out in the boonies. If you were in a major urban area with toll bridges, your passage through the checkpoints was recorded, every non-cash purchase you made is on a computer and accessible. Totalitarianism is already here, they just have to plug a few things in.
You left out the fact that they mandate CFLs and now want to codify *occupancy sensors* in all rooms into law.
How brilliant is this? CFLs degrade rapidly when switched on and off a lot. So, let's mandate their use, THEN create another reg that requires they be switched on and off far more often than usual so they don't last but a tenth as long and create copious toxic waste!
(Don't worry - those busy-bodies will create a law/reg for that toxic waste, too!)
God, I hate government.
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As a reminder, some of Bill Clinton's accusers waited over 20 years to come forward. Juanita Broaddrick for example, said she was raped by Clinton in the early 70s and didn't come forward until 1999, and we automatically believed her.
How about the Bill Cosby accusers who came forward after 20-30 years?
Jeffery Epstein's accusers?
Marty Weiss (Nickelodeon producer and pedophile)?
Tommy Lowery (Hollywood talent manager and pedophile)?
At that, it isn't unusual at all for victims of assault to come forward, especially if they feel comfortable because others are coming forward (see the Cosby case or Bill Clinton).
Do we know yet if this one is telling the truth?
If it was just Gloria Allred bringing her forward, I would doubt it... But if we didn't have the accused bragging he liked to do what she accused him of.. and now, instead of a denial, implying she deserved it... that kind of leans towards believing the victim over the accused.
Why did we automatically believe all the other accusers, but don't believe Trump's accusers?
Why. Because RTM
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355 porn film's
How many STD's does she have?
Guess you forgot to pop into the other thread where Trump goes from room to room having sex with teenage girls. How many STD's does he have?
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As a reminder, some of Bill Clinton's accusers waited over 20 years to come forward. Juanita Broaddrick for example, said she was raped by Clinton in the early 70s and didn't come forward until 1999, and we automatically believed her.
How about the Bill Cosby accusers who came forward after 20-30 years?
Jeffery Epstein's accusers?
Marty Weiss (Nickelodeon producer and pedophile)?
Tommy Lowery (Hollywood talent manager and pedophile)?
At that, it isn't unusual at all for victims of assault to come forward, especially if they feel comfortable because others are coming forward (see the Cosby case or Bill Clinton).
Do we know yet if this one is telling the truth?
If it was just Gloria Allred bringing her forward, I would doubt it... But if we didn't have the accused bragging he liked to do what she accused him of.. and now, instead of a denial, implying she deserved it... that kind of leans towards believing the victim over the accused.
Why did we automatically believe all the other accusers, but don't believe Trump's accusers?
There is not way that I believe they are all lying. And people are expected to take Trump at his word because there is not time to see these allegations worked out in court. Trump is ordered to appear in December on the Child rape charge against him.
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Do you have a better alternative? Or do you just want to cheer the burning down of our country?
Oh no. Trumpists don't get to make that claim.
Trump supporters could have voted for the candidate *BEST* able to beat Hillary. But they picked the worst.
They have no right to ask *ANYONE* to fix their little problem and cover for their stupidity.
No, the only way to learn from a mistake is to suffer from the consequences of making the mistake.
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And in military parlance, they're both REMFs.
Trump's a Section 8.
Hillary's a REMF.
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The Trump Files: Donald and Melania's Creepy, Sex-Filled Interview With Howard Stern
If you think Donald Trump is a headache for GOP chairman Reince Priebus, who frequently has to clean up after Trump's inflammatory comments, just imagine what former Reform Party chairman Russ Verney had to go through. Verney led the party during the 2000 election, when Donald Trump briefly jumped into the race for the Reform nomination for president. But that didn't stop Candidate Trump from going on Howard Stern's radio show and putting his then-girlfriend and now-wife Melania on air with the host for a bizarre, creepy, and totally misogynistic interview about life and sex with Trump.
When Trump called in to Stern's show on November 9, 1999, the conversation turned to Melania ("a potential first lady," Trump said) and her looks. "Let me talk to that broad in your bed," Stern demanded. So Trump summoned Melania, who was apparently scantily clad and conveniently sitting nearby, to come to the phone. With Stern oozing his creepiest charm, things rapidly got weird.
After demanding that Melania "put on your hottest outfit" for a Stern-Trump night on the town, Stern asked Melania what she was wearing right then. "Uh, not much," she replied.
Stern pressed on: "Are you naked? Are you nude?" Melania laughed. "Almost," she said.
"Ahhh, I've got my pants off already," Stern groaned.
Dropping his voice, Stern asked about how often Melania and Trump had sex and how good it was. "We have a great, great time," she said, claiming that she and Donald did the deed "even more" than daily. "I can tell you need love," Stern told her. Other topics of the interview included whether Melania stole cash from Trump's wallet, what she wore to the beach, and her "very nice chest for a model."
Trump apparently had no problems with Stern's racy questioning of his then girlfriend. "Oh man, she's naked there, isn't she?" Stern asked when Trump got back on the phone. "She is actually naked," Trump said. "It's a thing of beauty."
In a version of the interview clipped by BuzzFeed News, Stern begged Trump to have sex with Melania on air to boost his ratings. "Wouldn't that be nice?" Trump replied. Someone in Stern's studio then launched into a crude impression of Melania having sex with Trump. "Please, Donald, don't put it there!" he cried in a fake accent as Stern's crew—and Trump—collapsed into laughter. The New York Post also reported that, during the interview, Trump told Stern he frequently "mentally" felt up Melania in public.
But the sex- and harassment-filled radio appearance didn't exactly strike Trump as a bad move. "Is this your average interview, Robin, for a presidential candidate?" he proudly asked Stern's co-host before weighing on the role of hotness in the Monica Lewinsky scandal. "There are those that say that if President Clinton was caught with a supermodel, he would have been everyone's hero. Now, of course, I would never say a thing like that, but there are those that say that."
"President Trump will be a reality," Stern said as Trump signed off. "Thank you, Mr. President."
Verney, the Reform Party chairman, was nonplussed by the sexually charged Stern interview. "The very first principle of the Reform Party is to set the highest ethical standards for the White House and Congress," he told the Post, "not the most base, crass attempt to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Whatever their private life is, it should be exactly that—their private life."
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/trump-files-donald-and-melania-creepy-howard-stern-interview
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Wishful thinking isn't a strategy. 3rd party candidates haven't stood a chance since Ross Perot did what he did. At most they can take votes away from one candidate but they cannot and will not get enough to win. Why? Because nobody has any confidence that they can.
Perhaps if one of the 3rd party candidates had significant numbers in the polls it might be worth it, but they don't. And IF Gary Johnson were to win he is nothing but a pothead socialist pretending to be a libertarian. He's more dangerous than Trump.
Do you honestly think the MSM, the Republican Party or the democrats (or even the Greens and Libertarians) are going to let any other parties rise to the top if they can help it? Even Libertarians are smearing the Constitution Party (Cody Quirk, especially), in order to try to maintain their position as the largest 'third party', and if they can keep the Constitution Party out of consideration, that gives them an advantage as being the alternative to UberLiberal Greens and Republicrats. But the Constitution Party, with a platform based on an originalist view of the Constitution and getting back to that, by and large either has a Conservative shopping list for a platform, or leaves things for the States to decide (rather than one size fits all federalism).
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@r9etb @musiclady
I don't appreciate being called stupid because I disagree with someone. And I don't appreciate being called a liar when I call them on it.
Our country is burning down and you folks are rearranging the chairs on the titanic. I could give a rats behind what most of you think any more.
Nope, we aren't rearranging the deck chairs, we're building rafts.
Because the ones packing the lifeboats have no room for the likes of us. We want to use the Constitution for something besides a museum exhibit or a backdrop.
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To be fair, Trump listed a pretty decent first 100 days agenda, including repealing Obamacare right at the time stories were breaking about skyrocketing premiums.
And then Trump blows it by saying he will replace it with TrumpCare.
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You left out the fact that they mandate CFLs and now want to codify *occupancy sensors* in all rooms into law.
How brilliant is this? CFLs degrade rapidly when switched on and off a lot. So, let's mandate their use, THEN create another reg that requires they be switched on and off far more often than usual so they don't last but a tenth as long and create copious toxic waste!
(Don't worry - those busy-bodies will create a law/reg for that toxic waste, too!)
God, I hate government.
I'm still running incandescents. I have a 'stash'. What just gobsmacked me about one of the ridiculous arguments against the incandescent bulb was the ballyhoo about 'waste heat'. At this latitude, in summer we have up to 16 hours of daylight, and don't generate much heat illuminating things. In winter, we have daylight for as little as 8 hours and 21 minutes, when no heat is wasted. Nearest big town: http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/williston (http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/williston)
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I'm still running incandescents. I have a 'stash'. What just gobsmacked me about one of the ridiculous arguments against the incandescent bulb was the ballyhoo about 'waste heat'. At this latitude, in summer we have up to 16 hours of daylight, and don't generate much heat illuminating things. In winter, we have daylight for as little as 8 hours and 21 minutes, when no heat is wasted. Nearest big town: http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/williston (http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/williston)
The new LED lights are pretty good, and not as expensive as they used to be.
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Here is my thought about the tsunami of women coming forward.
Once Trump bragged about his vulgar behavior the women he had assaulted realized that they weren't the only one and felt they could safely come forward.
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I'm still running incandescents. I have a 'stash'. What just gobsmacked me about one of the ridiculous arguments against the incandescent bulb was the ballyhoo about 'waste heat'. At this latitude, in summer we have up to 16 hours of daylight, and don't generate much heat illuminating things. In winter, we have daylight for as little as 8 hours and 21 minutes, when no heat is wasted. Nearest big town: http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/williston (http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/williston)
Me too.
My eyes are old and bad, and I don't see nearly as well with LED's.
I think we have a stash big enough to last til I'm at least 75 - 80. ^-^
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What difference does it make what she does for a living? If she isn't doing it with him, she has a right not to be molested, whether she's a porn actress or Mother Teresa.
@Smokin Joe
So we should condemn Trump for lack of morals but praise her for her lack of morals. Got it.
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@Smokin Joe
So we should condemn Trump for lack of morals but praise her for her lack of morals. Got it.
You are a dick, aren't you?
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@driftdiver
Wrong. My response was a DIRECT reaction to YOUR response. You trivialized the notion of a Convention of the States with a snarky comment about people's schedules, so I threw snark right back at you.
Then, you call MY response "insults and flaming" after YOU provided the snark FIRST.
MOREOVER, you double-down on your snark by asking why I am not advocating for a Convention of States (after I *just* did, and have been for a long time) and throw out the "vacation plans" snark AGAIN.
You are now exposed as a hypocrite who simply wishes to rabble-rouse for Trump, hoping that will somehow gain him votes. Your response is a simple fraud, as is most of what Trumpettes espouse.
@bolobaby
No I trivialized your response not the idea of a convention. If people were serious about a convention they would be pushing it, not using it as an afterthought.
My snark is directly focused on the lack of effort by so many to make a positive change.
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@bolobaby
No I trivialized your response not the idea of a convention. If people were serious about a convention they would be pushing it, not using it as an afterthought.
My snark is directly focused on the lack of effort by so many to make a positive change.
@driftdiver
I suppose this is why last month they held a mock convention, right? Because they are not caring to make an effort? No one is pushing it?
Oh - I know, I know. It's just a mock convention, and who gives a crap, right?
The problem does not with those of us who see a real solution to this country's woes. The problem is with those who get bamboozled into thinking Trump is going to solve anything *if* he won - which he won't.
So, due to the lack of interest in REAL solutions by the (ahem) common folk, who would rather be taken by a QT-lathered snake oil salesman, we erudite thinkers are stuck railing against the day-to-day stupidity of people who want an "easy fix" brought straight to them by a false messiah.
And that's why our actions are limited to mock conventions: because everyone is too busy looking at the silly monkey to actually care about REAL solutions.
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Let me put it this way. If enough of you "winners" voting for LOSERS would vote for someone of decent character and with a less Leftist bent, we'd win!
I did in the primaries. Not enough others did as well. Now we have no choice.
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I did in the primaries. Not enough others did as well. Now we have no choice.
Of course we have a choice. It's not going to change the election ... this time around. But something needs to change, and the only way for that to happen is to look around for something better than .... those two.
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The new LED lights are pretty good, and not as expensive as they used to be.
The light bothers my eyes, and like I said, the 'waste' heat isn't wasted. If I'm sleeping, the light is off, I'm under a comforter. If I'm awake, a little extra heat is welcome in the winter.
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I did in the primaries. Not enough others did as well. Now we have no choice.
No choice? There are over 70 political Parties in the US. Of those the Libertarians, Greens, and Constitution Party are the top 3. Look them over, and if you don't like them, vote for someone else. The Libertarians are on the ballot in all 50 states, not sure about the Greens, and the Constitution Party is either on the ballot or a write in that is registered (will be counted) in 47 of the 50. Plenty of room to vote for something else and have it count. McMullen is out there, too. Then look at your local down ticket and vote accordingly. I have a Pubbie for one senator and in the US house, and they are both rated as badly as the Democrat senator from this state (all F's on the conservative scale, and within a few points of each other). There are other options for the two who are up for grabs, and with their track record, I'm still debating voting against them, too.
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@Smokin Joe
So we should condemn Trump for lack of morals but praise her for her lack of morals. Got it.
Her lack of morals didn't involve anyone not consenting to participate.
His admitted lack of morals did, and violated her person and her rights.
I can only assume that missing the distinction here between morals and rights is intentional.
It isn't a question of morals anyway, (nice deflection), it is a question of whether or not she has the right to NOT be touched by anyone she doesn't want to, and his presumption that she did not.
What she does for a living is irrelevant. She could be a promiscuous slut or Mother Teresa, it doesn't matter. NO ONE has the right to be so presumptuous as to grab any part of her she doesn't want them to.
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LOL. Yeah. I love how that ambulance chaser put her in Groucho Marx glasses to give a porn star credibility....
People who give porn stars credibility suck!
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/298795-report-trump-briefly-appeared-in-a-playboy-softcore-porn
(http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/57eee44f1a0000f3045b6276.png?cache=46phtjjlen)
I'm talking to you too Howard Stern!
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'Oh, I'm sure she's never been grabbed before'
I like.
It's straight to the point.
Shows how little this woman, this object, is worth in just 8 short words.
So much more believable than "Nobody respects women more than me."
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Of course not.
Defense of Trump's perversion on a computer has nothing to do with real life.
If Trump came after any Trumpist's daughter (as he might well do) they would protect their daughter against his assault.
It's other people's daughters that they don't give a rip about.
Great post.
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Yes, it is simple.
1. Vote for the candidate that comes close to matching your values and that you can trust to uphold them.
2. Stop looking for someone from the government to help. Stop expecting a white knight from Washington DC to fix your problems and force your solutions.
I have news for you also, the country already is burning down. It has been doing so for a long time. One of the very reasons it is burning down is due to people treating politics like a game or like Santa Claus. People, including those on the Right, started looking for a government 'who is here to help'. They started treating politics like a football game and cheered the letter on the jersey, not the values.
To me, and many others, not accepting the R versus D game, when it has become as vile as it has this election cycle, is doing our part to stop the burning.
People have been saying they are tired of 'establishment games' yet the very game they play is to demand you vote for the party over your values... just hold your nose and vote.. over and over, expecting different results.
Many if not most of us have not changed our values or given those up, on the contrary, we are being consistant. Everything I've been saying about Trump now, William F Buckley warned us about in 2000 and Andrew Breitbart warned us about in 2012. (hell, even Jim Robinson at FR called out the orange con man then).
We are being consistent with that.
Great post. Well worth reading again.
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Good example, because the one time we can find Jesus getting angry wasn't against what he was told were his natural political opponents he would have been told it was his duty to oppose (the Romans) but against those in his own church (which was also the political leadership of the day) who had defiled what it meant. He threw the money changers out of his own house. He cleaned his own house first.
You're giving me chills. 25 bonus points
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He threw the money changers out of his own house. He cleaned his own house first.
That has now become the major point of this election for conservatives. Great post and great pick up on the post!!
The beauty of it is that the lines have become fairly simple.
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And then Trump blows it by saying he will replace it with TrumpCare.
Don't worry, his threats to @#$% the nation are just locker room talk.
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The beauty of it is that the lines have become fairly simple.
Of course, "simple" doesn't mean "easy."
We have our work cut out for us.
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Obamacare premiums are skyrocketing and we get to talk about this crap.
Thanks Trump!
2016: the year that turned me from a person with misanthropic tendencies into a full-blown misanthrope. I think I need to move to a cabin in Montana...
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2016: the year that turned me from a person with misanthropic tendencies into a full-blown misanthrope. I think I need to move to a cabin in Montana...
Don't feel bad. I had a storybook looking spot picked out in Santo Tomas in Baja to escape to. Then the cartels happened. So I just bought a VR headset. Close enough and allows me to escape the stupidity of reality on occasion.
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Don't feel bad. I had a storybook looking spot picked out in Santo Tomas in Baja to escape to....
My wife said something of the same sort yesterday, about going somewhere where there's land, and not a bunch of stupid people making stupid rules.
You could have knocked me over with a feather.
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My wife said something of the same sort yesterday, about going somewhere where there's land, and not a bunch of stupid people making stupid rules.
You could have knocked me over with a feather.
I spent a lot of time in Baja covering off-road racing and got to know a lot of great people down there. Once you get south of Ensenada, the entire character of the place changes. Well, at least it was that way. Don't know about now as it's been 15 years.
Great people, very relaxed lifestyle and no materialism to speak of. They are poor but they don't care. They are rich where it matters. They could not care any less about politics and just want to be left the hell alone.
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My wife said something of the same sort yesterday, about going somewhere where there's land, and not a bunch of stupid people making stupid rules.
You could have knocked me over with a feather.
What's left? The moon? Mars?
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What's left? The moon? Mars?
There are already environazis and other liberals already passing laws in the UN governing exoplanets. No joke.
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What's left? The moon? Mars?
Just got back from Idaho...that looks like a good place to start if you want to go Galt.
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What's left? The moon? Mars?
lol
The best we could come up with is a list of places where people's jobs or lifestyles have to deal with real consequences, and where, therefore, there is a low tolerance for BS.
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Guess you forgot to pop into the other thread where Trump goes from room to room having sex with teenage girls. How many STD's does he have?
Do you have proof he actually did that?
@Chosen Daughter
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I think I need to move to a cabin in Montana...
My good buddy is headed there...contract already signed. I'm going to miss him, but mostly I envy him!
He was originally considering New Zealand (in all seriousness).
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I'm still running incandescents. I have a 'stash'. What just gobsmacked me about one of the ridiculous arguments against the incandescent bulb was the ballyhoo about 'waste heat'. At this latitude, in summer we have up to 16 hours of daylight, and don't generate much heat illuminating things. In winter, we have daylight for as little as 8 hours and 21 minutes, when no heat is wasted. Nearest big town: http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/williston (http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/williston)
I used to argue that point, but looked into the calculations EPA ran of energy savings. They actually took "waste heat" into consideration for reduced furnace needs. The energy savings is real, though I'm switching to LED from CFL and incandescents.
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The energy savings is real, though I'm switching to LED from CFL and incandescents.
I have some "problem fixtures" where incandescent bulbs tend to burn out at an alarming rate. No idea why. Putting LED bulbs in those spots seems to have solved the problem. Unfortunately, I don't really like the quality of the light from the LED bulbs....
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My good buddy is headed there...contract already signed. I'm going to miss him, but mostly I envy him!
He was originally considering New Zealand (in all seriousness).
Every time the Australian Army holds open enlistment opportunities for people from other countries...my friends down under in the Army send me the application.
The crazier our Army gets the more I seriously consider it.
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Every time the Australian Army holds open enlistment opportunities for people from other countries...my friends down under in the Army send me the application.
The crazier our Army gets the more I seriously consider it.
My daughter enlisted fully intent on being a lifer. She bailed after 8 with more accomplishments than many 20 year guys. Loved her job. Flatly refused to deal with the social justice/engineering BS. Many of her peers told her she was insane. Within a year every one was asking her for advice on transitioning out to Civ life. They all had enough as well. Just took them a bit longer.
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My daughter enlisted fully intent on being a lifer. She bailed after 8 with more accomplishments than many 20 year guys. Loved her job. Flatly refused to deal with the social justice/engineering BS. Many of her peers told her she was insane. Within a year every one was asking her for advice on transitioning out to Civ life. They all had enough as well. Just took them a bit longer.
The worse the Libs treat the military the easier it gets to drop my paperwork in 18 months and call it quits at 20.
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I used to argue that point, but looked into the calculations EPA ran of energy savings. They actually took "waste heat" into consideration for reduced furnace needs. The energy savings is real, though I'm switching to LED from CFL and incandescents.
I had a pump house where a couple of 100 watt incandescent lights would keep my pump and water lines from freezing at up to 20 degrees below. Try that with LEDs. I think there is a need for all sources.
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Do you have proof he actually did that?
@Chosen Daughter
Oh no, he didn't do any of it. Every single accusation is a lie.
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThFk4WRaSTO7ugg1sCQk0MiGXfYd8MTrIffmL6KYBN2RHrp8AF)
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I had a pump house where a couple of 100 watt incandescent lights would keep my pump and water lines from freezing at up to 20 degrees below. Try that with LEDs. I think there is a need for all sources.
On a similar note, a few years back the local road crew began switching traffic lights from incandescent to LED. To their surprise, they began having problems with blowing snow collecting on the lights, rendering them invisible. Turns out that the old lights were self-defrosting, and the cooler LED versions were not..... There are simple workarounds, and the LED version saves a bunch of money, but it was an amusing unintended consequence.
Info: http://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/fhwahop13010/index.htm (http://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/fhwahop13010/index.htm)
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On a similar note, a few years back the local road crew began switching traffic lights from incandescent to LED. To their surprise, they began having problems with blowing snow collecting on the lights, rendering them invisible. Turns out that the old lights were self-defrosting, and the cooler LED versions were not..... There are simple workarounds, and the LED version saves a bunch of money, but it was an amusing unintended consequence.
Info: http://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/fhwahop13010/index.htm (http://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/fhwahop13010/index.htm)
We had that problem here, too.