The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: TomSea on July 31, 2016, 05:15:11 am
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An Open Letter to Mr. Khizr Khan
By Ray Starmann
I, like millions of Americans saw your speech at the DNC on Thursday night.
I wish to offer my sympathy for the death of your son, Captain Humayun Khan, who was killed in action in Iraq.
As a former US Army officer, and a veteran of the Gulf War, I can certainly understand the pain and anguish that you and your wife endure every day.
Your son died saving the lives of his fellow soldiers. As John the Baptist wrote, Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Captain Khan is a hero. I am sure the soldiers he served with regard him as one. I know you and your wife do. Rest assured that millions of veterans regard your son as a hero as well.
To paraphrase from the Book of Ecclesiasticus, your son’s name liveth for evermore.
Your son made the ultimate sacrifice for his country, a country that was new to you and your family and one which you openly embraced and certainly love.
When you and your family arrived to America from Pakistan, you assimilated into our country. You adopted American ways, learned our history and apparently you even acquired a pocket Constitution along the way. Good for you sir.
But, there are many Muslims in America who not only have no desire to assimilate, but wish to live under Sharia Law.
That is unacceptable to Americans. There is only one law of the land. That is the US Constitution.
As you well know, Mr. Khan, we live in violent times, dangerous times. Muslim madmen from ISIS and other radical Jihadi groups are on a murder and terror spree across the globe.
Your religion of peace, Islam, is anything but that in 2016. That is a fact that is confirmed every time a Muslim shoots, bombs, beheads and tortures innocent men, women and children. This does not mean that every Muslim is a terrorist, but most terrorists, sir, are indeed Muslims.
A Muslim terrorist attack has become the sign of the times.
Regardless of what the feckless, naïve, leftist ideologue Barack Obama and his dimwitted colleagues John Kerry, Jacques Hollande and Angela Merkel state, the United States and the West are at war with Radical Islam. It is the job of the President of the United States to protect his nation from all enemies; foreign and domestic. Unfortunately, Mr. Obama romanticizes Islam and refuses to accept reality, which has resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent people across the world.
Groups like ISIS and Al-Qaeda have one goal, the complete destruction of the Judeo-Christian culture, our religions and our way of life.
Many Americans have families that have been here for decades, even centuries. Many families like mine have relatives who fought in the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam and Desert Storm. Some families have relatives who fought in the American Revolution.
We don’t plan on letting our country be devoured by Muslim maniacs. We are Americans sir, and not unarmed, socialist European zombies. We will do what is necessary to protect the United States. While many Democrats and liberals see the world through rose colored glasses, conservatives understand that there is good and evil in this world. Evil must be destroyed before it destroys us.
Strong measures, wartime measures, must be taken to protect this country from those that wish to annihilate us and our way of life.
Mr. Trump’s plan to temporarily halt immigration from Muslim countries that are known to either support terrorism or harbor terrorist groups is not only pragmatic, but indeed it is constitutional. It is the constitutional duty of the President of the United States to protect this nation.
There is simply no way to vet hundreds of thousands of Muslim refugees from war zones like Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan.
Europe is being destroyed because reckless leaders like Angela Merkel have opened the continent’s doors to a flood of over one million undocumented Muslims arriving with nothing more than a bad attitude and a haversack of Jihad.
Do you think Americans are stupid? While the left lives in a dream world, the right does not. Mr. Trump understands the threat to his nation and the threat, sir, is not from Swedish Lutherans named Anna and Lars. The threat, sir, is from Radical Islam.
How in God’s name are US immigration authorities supposed to know the true intentions of a 22 year old Syrian man? It is impossible. You know it is impossible.
How in God’s name are US immigration authorities supposed to know the true intentions of hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees and thousands of other sundry Muslims who wish to arrive on our shores?
It is impossible. You know it is impossible.
Whether you, your wife, the Muslim world and millions of Democrats are offended by Mr. Trump’s realistic view of the world is irrelevant.
Whether you, your wife and son would have been prohibited from emigrating from Pakistan to America under Mr. Trump’s wartime plan is irrelevant. The security of this great land supersedes your desires and the desires of others who wish to come here now. The United States of America has no obligation to open its doors in order to placate foreigners and liberals in our government.
To adopt any other course but Mr. Trump’s would be a cause for further endangering the lives of Americans every day. That, sir, is unacceptable.
You attacked Mr. Trump in front of a worldwide audience, yet you can’t understand the fact that he defends himself against attacks from you, Hillary Clinton and the left. What else is one to do sir?
We must live in a world of reality, not a world of denial, delusion and fantasy the Democrats inhabit every waking day of their lives.
Radical Islam is the enemy of everyone on this planet who believes in freedom and justice. Until it is destroyed, this nation must protect itself from enemies both foreign and domestic.
http://usdefensewatch.com/2016/07/an-open-letter-to-mr-khizr-khan/
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Whether Trump is offended by this mans words is irrelevant. The fact is, Trump is an idiot. The best course of action would have been to say nothing at all.
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Mr. Trump’s plan to temporarily halt immigration from Muslim countries that are known to either support terrorism or harbor terrorist groups is not only pragmatic, but indeed it is constitutional. It is the constitutional duty of the President of the United States to protect this nation.
How many different versions of Trump's plan are we going to get? The long and short of it is if Trump had his way this man and his family would never have been allowed into the United States. And if it were up to Newt Gingrich they would be deported immediately. Would Newt also insist that they dig up their son in Arlington and take him with them?
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Mr Khan is not on the ballot.
Mr Khan is no issue at all.
The only reason he is being talked about is because Trump was Trump and attacked the mans wife for no good reason.
Trump cannot seem to focus. ADD?
I suggest he drop out and take a course on self-control, maybe kindergarten?
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The only reason he is being talked about is because Trump was Trump and attacked the mans wife for no good reason.
^^^ THIS! ^^^
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The only reason he is being talked about is because Trump was Trump and attacked the mans wife for no good reason.
:amen:
Also, I don't care who dies for this country.. You don't attack parents of dead soldiers..
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:amen:
Also, I don't care who dies for this country.. You don't attack parents of dead soldiers..
And the parents of a dead soldier should not use that death to politically attack the other candidate.
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And the parents of a dead soldier should not use that death to politically attack the other candidate.
The two cases are not symmetric. The parents' case is more understandable than the cold, calculating, abusive case of the politician.
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:amen:
Also, I don't care who dies for this country.. You don't attack parents of dead soldiers..
These folks do
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These folks do
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So it is wrong regardless who does it..
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Trump has an "interesting" take on the First Amendment.
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The two cases are not symmetric. The parents' case is more understandable than the cold, calculating, abusive case of the politician.
I disagree. Khan did not step up there to talk about his son, who was referenced by the father in two sentences, one of which praised Hillary Clinton. He used his son as a prop, spending almost all of his short speech condemning Trump, while forgetting to mention the deaths directly on Clinton. Here is his diatribe:
If it was up to Donald Trump, he never would have been in America. Donald Trump consistently smears the character of Muslims. He disrespects other minorities; women; judges; even his own party leadership.
He vows to build walls, and ban us from this country. Donald Trump, you're asking Americans to trust you with their future.
It was pure politics and only the hatred of Trump by former Republicans and conservatives would deny it. There's a lot of things I dislike about Trump including part of his response to this attack on him, but at least I see the father's political motives for what they were. Trump had nothing to do with his son's death. His son was a political pawn. Did Khan express any concern over the deaths of Muslim soldiers during the time Clinton was working for Obama...the Commander in Chief?
If we weren't talking about Trump, everyone on this forum would have agreed this father was using his son's death for nothing but politics. But with the anti-Trump group, it's any port in a storm.
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The outrage is that Trump responded to Khan, and that the goofy writer of this article responded to Khan.
Why not just keep your mouths shut? Why the need to defend the indefensible, even if you have a quibble with it?
The Trump supporters are turning into their boy, getting their backs up over the most insignificant things and responding as he does.
Trump's personality is the entire problem with Trump. He stands for nothing that he wouldn't change in a heartbeat. It's about him, and those who have stuck to him like glue are now in the uncomfortable position of having to explain why they do, even when he says the most outrageous things.
What we have here is a personality cult. And the essence of a personality cult is when even smart members of it just don't mind being lied to.
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Of course we see it was political. But that is not the point. The GOP uses the parents whose children were killed by illegal immigrants to attack Democrats. But that does not allow the Rats to then attack those parents....that would be insensitive and wrong in my view.
PS Thanks for the nice cut down of anti-trump group.
With respect to the illegals, you're preaching to the choir. Having said that, at least there's linkage to Obama's policies on illegals and the guy that was released. In this case Trump had nothing to do with the death of Khan's son, either directly or indirectly, and was if Trump can be believed, against the war. Hillary on the other hand voted for the war, and was involved in policies leading to the deaths of many. Trump has to learn how to respond to such attacks on him, and could have done so much better and more effectively.
And you're welcome. :patriot:
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With respect to the illegals, you're preaching to the choir. Having said that, at least there's linkage to Obama's policies on illegals and the guy that was released. In this case Trump had nothing to do with the death of Khan's son, either directly or indirectly, and was if Trump can be believed, against the war. Hillary on the other hand voted for the war, and was involved in policies leading to the deaths of many. Trump has to learn how to respond to such attacks on him, and could have done so much better and more effectively.
And you're welcome. :patriot:
See what I mean?
Donald Trump still wrong about his claim that he opposed the Iraq War ahead of the Invasion
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/22/donald-trump/trump-still-wrong-his-claim-opposed-iraq-war-ahead/
MAC, please stop. Trump had no business responding to Gold Star parents. He is NEVER going to learn how to handle attacks on him and surely you know that.
And now Trump's controversy is all over the Sunday morning shows; he's being ridiculed by panel after panel. Plus, he's giving Mr. Khan another opportunity to respond to him.
When is enough enough?
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The outrage is that Trump responded to Khan, and that the goofy writer of this article responded to Khan.
Why not just keep your mouths shut? Why the need to defend the indefensible, even if you have a quibble with it?
The Trump supporters are turning into their boy, getting their backs up over the most insignificant things and responding as he does.
Trump's personality is the entire problem with Trump. He stands for nothing that he wouldn't change in a heartbeat. It's about him, and those who have stuck to him like glue are now in the uncomfortable position of having to explain why they do, even when he says the most outrageous things.
What we have here is a personality cult. And the essence of a personality cult is when even smart members of it just don't mind being lied to.
Maybe if Trump becomes open borders, a globalist like Bush 43, he will have your approval but until then spare us the judgements.
Plenty of sacrifices have been made by the thousands of victims of Islam, jumping out of buildings and having their bodies split open on the pavement. Now, that was sacrifice.
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See what I mean?
Donald Trump still wrong about his claim that he opposed the Iraq War ahead of the Invasion
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/22/donald-trump/trump-still-wrong-his-claim-opposed-iraq-war-ahead/
MAC, please stop. Trump had no business responding to Gold Star parents. He is NEVER going to learn how to handle attacks on him and surely you know that.
And now Trump's controversy is all over the Sunday morning shows; he's being ridiculed by panel after panel. Plus, he's giving Mr. Khan another opportunity to respond to him.
When is enough enough?
Trump isn't smart enough to learn even the FIRST rule of politics which is: "When you find yourself in a hole STOP DIGGING!"
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Maybe if Trump becomes open borders, a globalist like Bush 43, he will have your approval but until then spare us the judgements.
Plenty of sacrifices have been made by the thousands of victims of Islam, jumping out of buildings and having their bodies split open on the pavement. Now, that was sacrifice.
Yes. That was sacrifice. And Trump capitalized on it:
Donald Trump took advantage of program designed to help small businesses after 9/11 — one of many times he’s used public funds for private gain
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/donald-trump-9-11-funds-program-net-150g-payday-article-1.2641951
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Dan McLaughlin
@baseballcrank
Essence of demagoguery is the idea that the truth of a statement is determined entirely by the size of the following it attracts
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Compare Trump's response to Bush's response to a soldier's mother:
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I disagree. Khan did not step up there to talk about his son, who was referenced by the father in two sentences, one of which praised Hillary Clinton. He used his son as a prop, spending almost all of his short speech condemning Trump, while forgetting to mention the deaths directly on Clinton. Here is his diatribe:
It was pure politics and only the hatred of Trump by former Republicans and conservatives would deny it. There's a lot of things I dislike about Trump including part of his response to this attack on him, but at least I see the father's political motives for what they were. Trump had nothing to do with his son's death. His son was a political pawn. Did Khan express any concern over the deaths of Muslim soldiers during the time Clinton was working for Obama...the Commander in Chief?
If we weren't talking about Trump, everyone on this forum would have agreed this father was using his son's death for nothing but politics. But with the anti-Trump group, it's any port in a storm.
I just want to make sure you would feel the same way if a Gold Star Family member came out in support of the Donald and attacked Hillary. You would believe these parents were using their childs death in a bad way and it would be okay for Hillary to attack those parents.
Personally nobody would have cared in the end about this particular family supporting Hillary, except to think they were stupid. I do not care who comes out in support of who, it never changed my mind one way or the other. He could have even expressed his condolences to the family and reminded them that it was not he who voted to send their son to war.
I believe the Donald has had relatives of people harmed by illegal immigrants campaign for him. Are these parents to be denigrated for using their relatives in a political way?
The reality if tRump needs to learn when to open his mouth and when to shut it.
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Maybe if Trump becomes open borders, a globalist like Bush 43, he will have your approval but until then spare us the judgements.
@TomSea
He already has.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/25/before-the-brexit-donald-trump-was-a-transnationalist-who-wanted-to-leave-borders-behind/
(http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/25/before-the-brexit-donald-trump-was-a-transnationalist-who-wanted-to-leave-borders-behind/)
"In January 2013, Trump wrote an op-ed in the cyber pages of CNN enthusiastically endorsing the economic benefits of Europe-wide interdependence and calling for nations “to leave borders behind.”
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Whether Trump is offended by this mans words is irrelevant. The fact is, Trump is an idiot. The best course of action would have been to say nothing at all.
Trump didn't stick to policy he made a personal attack against the woman. The first part of the letter is apparently who they are regardless of terrorism. The rest of the letter is inflammatory and insulting. Most of us realize that Islam is the center of terror. If we hope to crush terrorism it will not be personally attacking Muslims who assimilate and desire freedom. It would be to build these people up and thank them for their sons service and his example of peace and desire for freedom. We should screen all people seeking refugee status and he is right there is no way. I have said it before. Safe zones need to be created in these countries fighting ISIS. A Syrian man should stay and fight for his country if he is able. They should not be leaving their country. Just seems like common sense to me. Sanitizing countries like Syria and leaving the rotting corps of ISIS/ISIL is not good thing. If Kurdish women can fight on the front lines then all Syrians that desire freedom from ISIS should fight also. I do not approve of Donald Trump approach. It is a threat to religious freedom for all. I agree we don't want to grant refugee status to people who should stay in their country and fight for freedom. It should be the policy of the United States to lead nations in a approach of freedom for those nations if they do desire to be free from ISIS. They could start by setting up safe zones and organizing people able to fight ISIS. Not retreat and leave your country to be a desert of bones and devils.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuAgNE2619k
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refugee? No, Able body young Syrian men who should stay in their country and fight for it. Not flee it.
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If we weren't talking about Trump, everyone on this forum would have agreed this father was using his son's death for nothing but politics. But with the anti-Trump group, it's any port in a storm.
I can't agree more!!
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See what I mean?
Donald Trump still wrong about his claim that he opposed the Iraq War ahead of the Invasion
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/22/donald-trump/trump-still-wrong-his-claim-opposed-iraq-war-ahead/
MAC, please stop. Trump had no business responding to Gold Star parents. He is NEVER going to learn how to handle attacks on him and surely you know that.
And now Trump's controversy is all over the Sunday morning shows; he's being ridiculed by panel after panel. Plus, he's giving Mr. Khan another opportunity to respond to him.
When is enough enough?
Point being Hillary had far more to do with his son's death than did Trump. Normally I would agree about responses to Gold Star parents, and as I said, while I think Trump's response was ill thought out, he has every right to respond to direct political attacks on him. Hillary put Khan out there for only one reason...to get a freebee attack on Trump using the son's death as a cover. Trump's problem was he fell for it, and could have responded by turning it back on the Clinton campaign. While I don't agree with you on your crusade, I do agree Trump has a lot of difficulty in responding to attacks. I don't know that he ever will get beyond that. I hope he can.
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If we weren't talking about Trump, everyone on this forum would have agreed this father was using his son's death for nothing but politics. But with the anti-Trump group, it's any port in a storm.
If we weren't talking about Trump, the Democrats wouldn't be able to bring someone on stage praising the sacrifice of the military and discussing the Constitution- something barely mentioned in the RNC. Trump gave them a big opening for that.
Trump has been dismantling the platforms that made Republicans, Republican, and giving the ammo to the Dems to return fire on us.
And to prove the point was also incorrect on its surface, the RNC had a parent who lost a son in a military conflict up on stage and we aren't saying she used it for politics- the biggest complaint is that Trump stole the cameras from her and went on to talk about himself while she was speaking.
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Trump's problem was he fell for it, and could have responded by turning it back on the Clinton campaign.
Or he could have not responded. The man has no unexpressed thoughts and no judgment.
And, frankly, to somehow blame Hillary for Khan's son's death is disingenuous. You know better than that.
But, Trumpism does that to people, even good people.
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The speaker made no reference to trump being responsible for his son's death. Rightly or wrongly, the speaker was taking to task the dishonoring of their son's religious faith by trump. Any other candidate would have just stayed quiet or responded without besmirching his wife and with just a little bit of class.
Problem is that Khan was using his son's death as a cover to go after Trump politically while endorsing Hillary. Transitioning from talking about his son to denigrating Trump and emphasizing how Trump has never sacrificed anything, while praising Hillary who not only hasn't sacrificed anything or anyone either and who actually had some responsibility for his son's death says everything about the father and his values. The anti-Trump group should at least admit that much.
As poorly though out as Trump's response was, the father's cheap use of his son's death was worse.
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Or he could have not responded. The man has no unexpressed thoughts and no judgment.
And, frankly, to somehow blame Hillary for Khan's son's death is disingenuous. You know better than that.
But, Trumpism does that to people, even good people.
Trumpism? :laugh: I'm not going to get into a personal fight with you. And I understand the reluctance here to say anything bad about Hillary. I am a GOP supporter and will leave it at that.
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As poorly though out as Trump's response was, the father's cheap use of his son's death was worse.
It's standard practice these days
Benghazi victim's mother Patricia Smith gives emotional RNC speech while Donald Trump calls into 'O'Reilly Factor'
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/benghazi-victim-mother-patricia-smith-tearful-rnc-speech-article-1.2716345
Patricia Smith — a Benghazi victim’s mother — wept while blaming Hillary Clinton for her son’s 2012 death during the embassy attack and Donald Trump was not even listening.
The presumed Republican nominee called into the "O’Reilly Factor" to discuss the convention rather than tune into the staunch Trump supporter slam his Democratic opponent while breaking down in tears.
“I blame Hillary Clinton personally for the death of my son,” cried Smith, as sympathetic audience members wiped tears from their faces while watching her prime-time speech at the Cleveland, Ohio, convention.
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Trumpism? :laugh: I'm not going to get into a personal fight with you. And I understand the reluctance here to say anything bad about Hillary. I am a GOP supporter and will leave it at that.
I'm not voting for Hillary. And, yes, it is Trumpism to defend Trump when he goes after a Gold star parent. Why do that, when Trump dragged Patricia Smith on stage at the GOP Convention to trash Hillary?
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If we weren't talking about Trump, the Democrats wouldn't be able to bring someone on stage praising the sacrifice of the military and discussing the Constitution- something barely mentioned in the RNC. Trump gave them a big opening for that.
Trump has been dismantling the platforms that made Republicans, Republican, and giving the ammo to the Dems to return fire on us.
And to prove the point was also incorrect on its surface, the RNC had a parent who lost a son in a military conflict up on stage and we aren't saying she used it for politics- the biggest complaint is that Trump stole the cameras from her and went on to talk about himself while she was speaking.
John Adams
A Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever. Letter to Abigail Adams (17 July 1775)
Statesmen, my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for Liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free Constitution is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People in a greater Measure than they have it now, They may change their Rulers and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting Liberty. They will only exchange Tyrants and Tyrannies. Letter to Zabdiel Adams (21 June 1776)
Posterity! you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom! I hope you will make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven that I ever took half the pains to preserve it. Letter to Abigail Adams (27 April 1777), published as Letter CXI in Letters of John Adams, Addressed to His Wife (1841) edited by Charles Francis Adams, p. 218
While our country remains untainted with the principles and manners which are now producing desolation in so many parts of the world; while she continues sincere, and incapable of insidious and impious policy, we shall have the strongest reason to rejoice in the local destination assigned us by Providence. But should the people of America once become capable of that deep simulation towards one another, and towards foreign nations, which assumes the language of justice and moderation, while it is practising iniquity and extravagance, and displays in the most captivating manner the charming pictures of candour, frankness, and sincerity, while it is rioting in rapine and insolence, this country will be the most miserable habitation in the world. Because we have no government, armed with power, capable of contending with human passions, unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge and licentiousness would break the strongest cords of our Constitution, as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. Oaths in this country are as yet universally considered as sacred obligations. That which you have taken, and so solemnly repeated on that venerable ground, is an ample pledge of your sincerity and devotion to your country and its government. Letter to the Officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts, 11 October 1798, in Revolutionary Services and Civil Life of General William Hull (New York, 1848), pp 265-6. There are some differences in the version that appeared in The Works of John Adams (Boston, 1854), vol. 9, pp. 228-9, most notably the words "or gallantry" instead of "and licentiousness".
“While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but once they lose their virtue, they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.”
– Samuel Adams
"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." — John Quincy Adams (attributed to Adams, by his contemporaries)
"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
— Daniel Webster
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
— Benjamin Franklin (on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania - 1759)
Elias Boudinot:
“ Be religiously careful in our choice of all public officers . . . and judge of the tree by its fruits.”
Founding Fathers Quotes
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to a Committee of the Danbury Baptist Association, Connecticut, January 1, 1802
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Trump position is wrong. We have a Constitution. What is wrong in Europe is what is becoming wrong in America. They have no go zones where they allow Sharia Law to exist. Anywhere in America that allows Sharia Law to exist is the threat. We already have terrorists living here. We have cities that are fast becoming infestations of Islamic Law. Shutting that down is abiding by the laws that already exist. Constitutional law. Sharia and the Constitution are not compatible.
Stop all refugee applications to the United States and restore Constitutional law.
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It's standard practice these days
Benghazi victim's mother Patricia Smith gives emotional RNC speech while Donald Trump calls into 'O'Reilly Factor'
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/benghazi-victim-mother-patricia-smith-tearful-rnc-speech-article-1.2716345
Patricia Smith — a Benghazi victim’s mother — wept while blaming Hillary Clinton for her son’s 2012 death during the embassy attack and Donald Trump was not even listening.
The presumed Republican nominee called into the "O’Reilly Factor" to discuss the convention rather than tune into the staunch Trump supporter slam his Democratic opponent while breaking down in tears.
“I blame Hillary Clinton personally for the death of my son,” cried Smith, as sympathetic audience members wiped tears from their faces while watching her prime-time speech at the Cleveland, Ohio, convention.
It's telling that Trump supporters would think nothing of smearing Patricia Smith, a Benghazi victim’s mother, for speaking about her child's death at the RNC convention. Who agree that it would be right for Hillary to attack her for doing so.
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Problem is that Khan was using his son's death as a cover to go after Trump politically while endorsing Hillary.
Exactly...that's why he was invited to speak in the first place...that was his goal.
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In a surprise weekend vote, the city council of Dearborn, Michigan voted 4-3 to became the first US city to officially implement all aspects of Sharia Law. The tough new law, slated to go into effect January 1st, addresses secular law including crime, politics and economics as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, fasting, prayer, diet and hygiene.
The new law could see citizens stoned for adultery or having a limb amputated for theft. Lesser offenses, such as drinking alcohol or abortion, could result in flogging and/or caning. In addition, the law imposes harsh laws with regards to women and allows for child marriage.
Some in town seem to welcome the new legislation while others have denounced the move as “abhorrent”, a threat to freedom and incompatible with the Constitution. When asked by National Report about the need for such a law, local resident Jeremy Ahmed stated:
“It is because of our need that Allah the Almighty, in all his generosity, has created laws for us, so that we can utilize them to obtain justice. We hope to see other cities taking this action in the face of the governments inaction of passing such legislation”.
Other local residents have taken to social media sites with comments ranging from “praise be to Allah” and “long live Islam” to “RIP Dearborn” and “Only in Obama’s America would an American city consider Sharia Law”.
The city of Dearborn is a well-known safe haven for Muslims and Muslim sympathizers. With a population of around 98 thousand people, roughly 30% of its residence are Muslims making them the largest concentration of Muslims in the United States.
The dangers of Sharia Law in America were first outlined in a 2010 study produced by the Center for Security Policy (CSP) titled “Sharia: The Threat to America“, a 352-page book based on authoritative sources of Islamic law. While sharia includes strict rules for prayer and fasting, it is also an all-encompassing legal and political code that covers all aspects of life including those that have nothing to do with religion.
http://nationalreport.net/city-michigan-first-fully-implement-sharia-law/
Has Trump ever addressed restoring Constitutional law? His Muslim ban is a call to terrorists all over to recruit more people to extremism. Hillary said it and I have to agree. I hate Hillary but she is right. The Muslim ban rhetoric is a call to extremists.
And did you know that Trump won the primary in Dearborn Michigan?
http://theweek.com/speedreads/611497/dearborn-arabamerican-city-just-voted-donald-trump-jewish-candidate-bernie-sanders
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I'm not voting for Hillary. And, yes, it is Trumpism to defend Trump when he goes after a Gold star parent. Why do that, when Trump dragged Patricia Smith on stage at the GOP Convention to trash Hillary?
At least get it straight. I said several times now that Trump's comments were ill-advised and not well thought out. But it is interesting that you go after Trump for the Patricia Smith speech having everything to do with Hillary--Benghazi, but refuse to acknowledge that the Khan speech was simply a political diatribe using his son as a prop. At least with the Smith speech, there was linkage. There was none with the Khan speech. I understand how you feel about Trump, but you can't have it both ways. Acknowledging what the Khan speech really was is not defending Trump's reaction. It's okay to criticize Trump's words and at the same time criticize Hillary for her political use of a dead soldier. You won't be thrown out of the #neverTrump club. :laugh:
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Trump has an "interesting" take on the First Amendment.
Anyone who has been paying attention would already know that Trump does not support the first amendment
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Anyone who has been paying attention would already know that Trump does not support the first amendment
He doesn't and it is a calling card for extremists. If you break the Constitution you open the door for oppression, tyranny and extremism.
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Likewise, if one posts this; one also acknowledges that Mr. Trump has not sent any soldiers to their deaths.
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Anyone who has been paying attention would already know that Trump does not support the first amendment
Good, will take note that one doesn't have a right to defend themselves when attacked in front of millions of people.
Er, the objection is to Trump speaking and defending himself? While saying he is against the first amendment?
Thus is the reasoning of so many criticizing Trump, just like the "30,000 emails missing" remark in regards to Russia, it was all puffed up into something it was not.
This is the media's doing.
You can't make this up.
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He doesn't and it is a calling card for extremists. If you break the Constitution you open the door for oppression, tyranny and extremism.
Sounds like Mr. Trump is the one's whose right to free speech is being disrespected.
Oh, I forgot, now we are not standing up for 1st amendment rights.
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Sounds like Mr. Trump is the one's whose right to free speech is being disrespected.
Oh, I forgot, now we are not standing up for 1st amendment rights.
The first amendment doesn't protect you from perceived disrespect of your speech.
Trump like Hillary have both called for overt, government interference of opposing speech. That has nothing to do with respect or a right to respond.
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Good, will take note that one doesn't have a right to defend themselves when attacked in front of millions of people.
Er, the objection is to Trump speaking and defending himself? While saying he is against the first amendment?
Thus is the reasoning of so many criticizing Trump, just like the "30,000 emails missing" remark in regards to Russia, it was all puffed up into something it was not.
This is the media's doing.
You can't make this up.
If that's what you call defending yourself your nuts. Hillary scored. The response is a negative to all. Hillary found a family that didn't fit Trumps mold of Islam and Trump took the bait. His policies will do nothing to stop what already exists in America. Do you know how many Muslims live in America? Trump is only causing Muslims to embrace extremism by offending them.
What we should do is focus on making sure that Sharia Law gets a clear message of not welcome. Because we already have to laws to assure that extremism doesn't exist. It is religious freedom for all. Limited only by the freedom of all. We need a Constitutional candidate. Not a fear mongering idiot.
Muslims are ANGRY at Texas Mayor After She Stops “Sharia Court”… Here Is Her EPIC Response!
Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/muslims-are-angry-at-texas-mayor-after-she-stops-sharia-court-here-is-her-epic-response/#ixzz4G0Um6mHY
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As a reminder, here is how an adult responds in a similar situation-- Bush to Cindy Sheehan, http://www.editorandpublisher.com/news/bush-responds-to-sheehan-protest-in-weekly-radio-address/
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Exactly...that's why he was invited to speak in the first place...that was his goal.
Funny that the same people who now refuse to even acknowledge this issue with Kahn went after Cindy Sheehan, also a Gold Star parent, with a vengeance...as did I. And one doesn't have to be a so-called "trumpist" to see both as political activists willing to use their dead son as a prop for political purposes.
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Funny that the same people who now refuse to even acknowledge this issue with Kahn went after Cindy Sheehan, also a Gold Star parent, with a vengeance...as did I. And one doesn't have to be a so-called "trumpist" to see both as political activists willing to use their dead son as a prop for political purposes.
I have enormous sympathy for the Kahn family..thereby the Grace of God go I....but we all know he was a willing participant to try to embarrass Trump and it seemed to work by Trump's responses...he just can't find the right words like Bush did re Cindy Sheehan referenced above....let it go Trump
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With all is faults I admire Bush and the respect he gave to the office.
PS I better be careful, our ex President is on the hit list of many, even though he has always shown class and dignity, even in the face of withering criticism.
Actually, I don't think you need to be careful. The dignity, class, respect, and love for the troops that President Bush always had (and still does), deserves mention when we see the polar opposite....... the vulgar, undignified, self-absorbed nonsense emanating from the undisciplined mouth of Donald J. Trump.
I may not be in the majority here, but I still miss him...... especially when I think of the drastic differences between him and this buffoon we are supposed to vote for to be Commander in Chief. **nononono*
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If we weren't talking about Trump, everyone on this forum would have agreed this father was using his son's death for nothing but politics. But with the anti-Trump group, it's any port in a storm.
If Donald Trump hadn't stupidly attacked the soldier's mother, this wouldn't be an issue.
It's just one more indication that Trump is lacking the character and discipline needed to be President.
He behaves as an elementary school student taunted on the playground, and not a grown man who can deal with serious issues.
If you would look objectively at what Trump actually said, instead of jumping to attack those who are offended by it, you might start to understand how significant his diarrhea of the mouth really is.
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I have enormous sympathy for the Kahn family..thereby the Grace of God go I....but we all know he was a willing participant to try to embarrass Trump and it seemed to work by Trump's responses...he just can't find the right words like Bush did re Cindy Sheehan referenced above....let it go Trump
Indeed.
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Trump is far more likely to address the Sharia threat and its related symbols than Hamas Huma .
We may feel that some of Trump's rhetoric is a bit gauche, but he is addressing the larger issue of Sharia.
Instead of constant euphemisms like 'workplace violence'
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In a surprise weekend vote, the city council of Dearborn, Michigan voted 4-3 to became the first US city to officially implement all aspects of Sharia Law. The tough new law, slated to go into effect January 1st, addresses secular law including crime, politics and economics as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, fasting, prayer, diet and hygiene.
The new law could see citizens stoned for adultery or having a limb amputated for theft. Lesser offenses, such as drinking alcohol or abortion, could result in flogging and/or caning. In addition, the law imposes harsh laws with regards to women and allows for child marriage.
Some in town seem to welcome the new legislation while others have denounced the move as “abhorrent”, a threat to freedom and incompatible with the Constitution. When asked by National Report about the need for such a law, local resident Jeremy Ahmed stated:
“It is because of our need that Allah the Almighty, in all his generosity, has created laws for us, so that we can utilize them to obtain justice. We hope to see other cities taking this action in the face of the governments inaction of passing such legislation”.
Other local residents have taken to social media sites with comments ranging from “praise be to Allah” and “long live Islam” to “RIP Dearborn” and “Only in Obama’s America would an American city consider Sharia Law”.
The city of Dearborn is a well-known safe haven for Muslims and Muslim sympathizers. With a population of around 98 thousand people, roughly 30% of its residence are Muslims making them the largest concentration of Muslims in the United States.
The dangers of Sharia Law in America were first outlined in a 2010 study produced by the Center for Security Policy (CSP) titled “Sharia: The Threat to America“, a 352-page book based on authoritative sources of Islamic law. While sharia includes strict rules for prayer and fasting, it is also an all-encompassing legal and political code that covers all aspects of life including those that have nothing to do with religion.
http://nationalreport.net/city-michigan-first-fully-implement-sharia-law/
Has Trump ever addressed restoring Constitutional law? His Muslim ban is a call to terrorists all over to recruit more people to extremism. Hillary said it and I have to agree. I hate Hillary but she is right. The Muslim ban rhetoric is a call to extremists.
And did you know that Trump won the primary in Dearborn Michigan?
http://theweek.com/speedreads/611497/dearborn-arabamerican-city-just-voted-donald-trump-jewish-candidate-bernie-sanders
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@LonestarDream - are you here to hijack yet another thread and accuse people who won't vote for Trump of not caring about terrorism?
Is that your ugly mission for today?
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@LonestarDream - are you here to hijack yet another thread and accuse people who won't vote for Trump of not caring about terrorism?
Is that your ugly mission for today?
What is ugly are the number acts piling up in the US and Europe without a response.
Sorry to be the messenger.
Friend of mine just got from Nice, France. No apparent upgrades to security.
That some families have more moderate members who may have served honorably many years ago, is beside the point to the continuing and growing threat we face.
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What is ugly is are the number acts piling up in the US and Europe without a response.
Sorry to be the messenger.
Answer the question, don't dodge it.
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What is ugly are the number acts piling up in the US and Europe without a response.
Sorry to be the messenger.
That has nothing to do with what I'm asking you.
Why are you trying to falsely accuse those who don't support Trump of not caring about terrorism?
It's ugly.
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Answer the question, don't dodge it.
I did answer. We have so sanitized the manifold terrorist attacks in the US and Europe to the point where a picture depicting the Fort Hood terrorist , next to the Fort Hood sign is apparently offensive.
Not for the act mind you, but for the pictorial reminder that Barry Soltero claimed it was 'work place violence'.
If y'all are really offended by that picture, happy to edit it out....
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That has nothing to do with what I'm asking you.
Why are you trying to falsely accuse those who don't support Trump of not caring about terrorism?
It's ugly.
What is ugly if Hillary's Clinton foundation taking massive donations from Saudis and her very close relationship with Hamas Huma. And her leaving US service men to die in Benghazi .
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I did answer. We have so sanitized the manifold terrorist attacks in the US and Europe to the point where a picture depicting the Fort Hood terrorist , next to the Fort Hood sign is apparently offensive.
Not for the act mind you, but for the pictorial reminder that Barry Solero claimed it was 'work place violence'.
If y'all are really offended by that picture, happy to edit it out....
Yet another ugly accusation.
Has your support of Trump destroyed your understanding of what's right and what's wrong??
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What is ugly if Hillary's Clinton foundation taking massive donations from Saudis and her very close relationship with Hamas Huma. And her leaving US service men to die in Benghazi .
And you think that attacking those of us who agree with you, but don't support Trump is somehow righteous??
It's sick, is what it is. Sick.
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And you think that attacking those of us who agree with you, but don't support Trump is somehow righteous??
It's sick, is what it is. Sick.
Is that your argument is that everything said is sick? Not much there.
But again the issue here seems to be those of us who are pointing out evidence of the gathering terrorist threat.
And just like the blanket security that went up in the airports after 911-- we will lose FAR more constitutional liberties when causalities from these acts because even more massive and the 'obvious' action will be some form of martial law.
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Is that your argument is that everything said is sick? Not much there.
But again the issue here seems to be those of us who are pointing out evidence of the gathering terrorist.
And just like the blanket security that went up in the airports after 911-- we will lose FAR more constitutional liberties when causalities from these acts because even more massive.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? (Rhetorical question.......of course you are).
Everyone here knows about the growing threat of terrorism. THAT is why we are so fearful that NEITHER candidate is equipped, nor interested in fighting it.
It is Trump's narcissism, corruption, ignorance, incapability, running mouth syndrome and complete lack of integrity that is so disturbing.
If Hillary wins, we are in great danger. If Trump wins, we are perhaps in greater danger.
And here you are, trying to guilt us into voting for an incompetent, non-caring fool with your false accusations that we don't know or care about terrorism.
It's just ugly.
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@LonestarDream - are you here to hijack yet another thread and accuse people who won't vote for Trump of not caring about terrorism?
Is that your ugly mission for today?
I entirely support the message by LoneStarDream. Don't try to shout down the messenger. The message is valid.
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I entirely support the message by LoneStarDream. Don't try to shout down the messenger. The message is valid.
You support attacking those who don't support Trump as not caring about the terrorist threat?
You've certainly fallen far since you became enamored with the corrupt one..... **nononono*
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I have directed nothing at you. By you continuing to call me 'sick' for showing manifold examples of terrorism in the US and Europe, it is you who are making the ad-hominem attacks against me. All the while you claim the opposite.
There are far more graphic photos, that could be used to illustrate what I mean.
Also, read my tagline. Just because someone points out good elements of Trump's character does not mean they are 'Trump believer' . Or that Trump does not have flaws.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? (Rhetorical question.......of course you are).
Everyone here knows about the growing threat of terrorism. THAT is why we are so fearful that NEITHER candidate is equipped, nor interested in fighting it.
It is Trump's narcissism, corruption, ignorance, incapability, running mouth syndrome and complete lack of integrity that is so disturbing.
If Hillary wins, we are in great danger. If Trump wins, we are perhaps in greater danger.
And here you are, trying to guilt us into voting for an incompetent, non-caring fool with your false accusations that we don't know or care about terrorism.
It's just ugly.
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If Hillary wins, we are in great danger. If Trump wins, we are perhaps in greater danger.
The primaries are over. Many of us supporter Walker. Many of us supported Cruz.
I did both. I hope Cruz wins his senate seat in 18 and will would likely support him in 2020 again. But that was then or in the future.
We are here now and while some of Trump's rhetoric may make people uncomfortable, there is a big Sharia issue.
Flabbergasted that showing even weak tea images of this upsets people so-- and in the wrong way.
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You support attacking those who don't support Trump as not caring about the terrorist threat?
You've certainly fallen far since you became enamored with the corrupt one..... **nononono*
I have "fallen" because I don't agree with your position ??
I say your dislike for Trump, clouds your vision about national security threats. Touché.
Since I rank national security above all else, I have a different perspective.
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How many different versions of Trump's plan are we going to get?
@RedHead
Trump has a plan?
Seriously?
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I have directed nothing at you. By you continuing to call me 'sick' for showing manifold examples of terrorism in the US and Europe, it is you who are making the ad-hominem attacks against me. All the while you claim the opposite.
There are far more graphic photos, that could be used to illustrate what I mean.
Also, read my tagline. Just because someone points out good elements of Trump's character does not mean they are 'Trump believer' . Or that Trump does not have flaws.
You are misstating what I have said (of course). I have not called you "sick." I have said that attacking others who don't support Trump of not caring or knowing about terrorism is "ugly"........ and it is.
It is your words that are ugly, and your implication against others for whom terrorism is a grave concern, that is sick.
If you can't understand the difference, so be it. But I still find the "if-you-don't-support-trump-you-don't-care-about-terrorism" the vilest attack on others that occurs on any conservative forum.
There is no truth in it. And you need to stop doing it, if you are to be perceived as a rational, thoughtful human being.
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I have "fallen" because I don't agree with your position ??
I say your dislike for Trump, clouds your vision about national security threats. Touché.
Since I rank national security above all else, I have a different perspective.
I rank national security at the top also.
That's why I fear a Trump presidency. He is a very disturbed, narcissistic human being who doesn't care about fighting terrorism any more than he cares about marital fidelity.
Your difference in perspective is not in how important national security is, but in your belief an abject fool will keep you safe.
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And the parents of a dead soldier should not use that death to politically attack the other candidate.
@MACVSOG68
I understand and generally agree with your POV,but I am going to have to cut them some slack on this one. Not only are they relatively "new" to the US,the pain of losing their son is still new to them.
The ones I want to hurt are the ones that are using this couple's pain as a tool for political benefit. You know and I know they don't give a damn about the deaths of anyone not related to them.
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The two cases are not symmetric. The parents' case is more understandable than the cold, calculating, abusive case of the politician.
@Oceander
:amen:
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That is how Truth_Seeker and myself took it. As you all know from posting history was an AVID Cruz supporter.
But Trump won. And at least least he is a fighter, unlike McCain or Romney. And I sincerely believe Bush would not have won his second term but for the Swift Boat veterans.
You are misstating what I have said (of course). I have not called you "sick." I have said that attacking others who don't support Trump of not caring or knowing about terrorism is "ugly"........ and it is.
It is your words that are ugly, and your implication against others for whom terrorism is a grave concern, that is sick.
If you can't understand the difference, so be it. But I still find the "if-you-don't-support-trump-you-don't-care-about-terrorism" the vilest attack on others that occurs on any conservative forum.
There is no truth in it. And you need to stop doing it, if you are to be perceived as a rational, thoughtful human being.
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The primaries are over. Many of us supporter Walker. Many of us supported Cruz.
I did both. I hope Cruz wins his senate seat in 18 and will would likely support him in 2020 again. But that was then or in the future.
We are here now and while some of Trump's rhetoric may make people uncomfortable, there is a big Sharia issue.
Flabbergasted that showing even weak tea images of this upsets people so-- and in the wrong way.
If you are flabbergasted, you are once again, being deliberately obtuse.
So I will say for the last time (since your deliberate denseness is tiresome), it is your attack on others who don't support Trump that is upsetting. Your ugly false accusation that because we don't support Trump we don't care.
But I have no doubt that you will continue on your mission to smear patriotic conservatives. If anything has been made clear by your behavior today, it's that truth is secondary to that devious mission.
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And you need to stop doing it, if you are to be perceived as a rational, thoughtful human being.
Again.
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That is how Truth_Seeker and myself took it. As you all know from posting history was an AVID Cruz supporter.
But Trump won. And at least least he is a fighter, unlike McCain or Romney. And I sincerely believe Bush would not have won his second term but for the Swift Boat veterans.
You are free to believe and to state whatever you wish about Trump.
You are NOT free to accuse those who don't agree with you of not taking terrorism seriously.
It is a lie.
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We are here now and while some of Trump's rhetoric may make people uncomfortable, there is a big Sharia issue.
His rhetoric and his follow through has historically been shown to not be connected. As recently as last week he totally blamed the rotten convention on the party after spending the subsequent months bragging that he was in charge and it was going to be the smoothest most star studded spectacle in history. He promised Tome Brady and gave us Chachi.
That is why a lot of folks don't think he is going to do a damn thing about the terrorist problem or any other thing he promises. And why he continues to attack Cruz and these parents of a dead soldier is totally absurd and destroying any chance he had to cobble together support.
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Maybe if Trump becomes open borders, a globalist like Bush 43, he will have your approval but until then spare us the judgements.
@TomSea @sinkspur
You think sinkspur is a globalist?
Seriously?
ROFLMAO!
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The speaker made no reference to trump being responsible for his son's death. Rightly or wrongly, the speaker was taking to task the dishonoring of their son's religious faith by trump. Any other candidate would have just stayed quiet or responded without besmirching his wife and with just a little bit of class.
@cuky
WRONG! Islam is a form of dictatorial government,NOT a religion. When you allow them to get away with calling it a religion you are just playing into their hands.
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The primaries are over. The conventions are over.
Look at my posting history. I gave a Cruz a 14 out of a possible 10 on his convention speech.
Cruz said vote your conscience, which for me is Trump.
We can also support the convention of states, the 10th amendment and conservatives up and down the ticket.
For instance, where is the talk of defeating Paul Ryan?
If you are flabbergasted, you are once again, being deliberately obtuse.
So I will say for the last time (since your deliberate denseness is tiresome), it is your attack on others who don't support Trump that is upsetting. Your ugly false accusation that because we don't support Trump we don't care.
But I have no doubt that you will continue on your mission to smear patriotic conservatives. If anything has been made clear by your behavior today, it's that truth is secondary to that devious mission.
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@cuky
WRONG! Islam is a form of dictatorial government,NOT a religion. When you allow them to get away with calling it a religion you are just playing into their hands.
There is a temporal governance component to Sharia.
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@cuky
WRONG! Islam is a form of dictatorial government,NOT a religion. When you allow them to get away with calling it a religion you are just playing into their hands.
:amen: :amen: and :amen:
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Plenty of sacrifices by people killed in the name of Christianity throughout history also,....
@cuky
VERY true. At one time the Catholic Church was a shadow government in every western country,and every country controlled by the west.
The point is that Christians got fed up with it and rebelled with the Reformation. The result was a long war that ended the political domination of the Catholic Church all over Europe,and the Catholic Police State that existed prior to the Reformation was THE reason our Founding Fathers demanded we have "Freedom of Religion" in this country.
Let the Muslims do the same thing,and then talk with us once they are living free in their own countries,with Jews,Christians,Buddists,atheists,agnostics,etc,etc,etc also free to live and do business there.
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The primaries are over. The conventions are over.
Look at my posting history. I gave a Cruz a 14 out of a possible 10 on his convention speech.
Cruz said vote your conscience, which for me is Trump.
We can also support the convention of states, the 10th amendment and conservatives up and down the ticket.
For instance, where is the talk of defeating Paul Ryan?
Wow. Quite the evasion.
No admittance that you have slandered people who care deeply about national security and terrorism in any of your posts.
You have never once addressed the essence of what I have said. I know you understand it. You're clearly not stupid. But you cannot bring yourself to admit that you have wronged innocent people based on your "conscience" and your mission to shame others to vote for Trump.
No more to say to you. It's a shame because I had some respect for you. Cogitate on what I've said, and perhaps you won't repeat this ugly smearing again....
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You are free to believe and to state whatever you wish about Trump.
You are NOT free to accuse those who don't agree with you of not taking terrorism seriously.
It is a lie.
You are making things up and projecting. The lack of a quote from me in you responce shows that.
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With all is faults I admire Bush and the respect he gave to the office.
PS I better be careful, our ex President is on the hit list of many, even though he has always shown class and dignity, even in the face of withering criticism.
@cuky
I believe Boy Jorge to personally be a very nice man with no evil intentions towards anyone. Unfortunately,he is an idiot and was under the control of the Bush Crime Family and did his mama's bidding.
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Bad news for Trump in Colorado. Coffman's from a critical swing district
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You are making things up and projecting. The lack of a quote from me in you responce shows that.
Just don't do it again. I didn't make anything up. You've done it on two different threads today.
Vote your conscience. But allow the rest of us to do the same.
Bullying and accusing won't ever work because we know that Trump doesn't care any more about terrorism than he does the Constitution.
Your ploy won't work.
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@MACVSOG68
I understand and generally agree with your POV,but I am going to have to cut them some slack on this one. Not only are they relatively "new" to the US,the pain of losing their son is still new to them.
The ones I want to hurt are the ones that are using this couple's pain as a tool for political benefit. You know and I know they don't give a damn about the deaths of anyone not related to them.
@sneakypete, They lost their son 12 years ago. The pain seemed to be worthy of public comment when they were invited to trash Trump at the convention. Politics is politics and should be seen for what it is. I feel for any parent or spouse who loses a loved one in defense of his Country, but when they use that loss for nothing more than political advantage, I draw the line. Trump's problem was in how he responded, which then became the storyline. And I agree with you on those who use these deaths for political benefit.
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Still no quote.
Just don't do it again. I didn't make anything up. You've done it on two different threads today.
Vote your conscience. But allow the rest of us to do the same.
Bullying and accusing won't ever work because we know that Trump doesn't care any more about terrorism than he does the Constitution.
Your ploy won't work.
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@sneakypete, They lost their son 12 years ago. The pain seemed to be worthy of public comment when they were invited to trash Trump at the convention. Politics is politics and should be seen for what it is. I feel for any parent or spouse who loses a loved one in defense of his Country, but when they use that loss for nothing more than political advantage, I draw the line. Trump's problem was in how he responded, which then became the storyline. And I agree with you on those who use these deaths for political benefit.
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In a surprise weekend vote, the city council of Dearborn, Michigan voted 4-3 to became the first US city to officially implement all aspects of Sharia Law. The tough new law, slated to go into effect January 1st, addresses secular law including crime, politics and economics as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, fasting, prayer, diet and hygiene.
@Chosen Daughter
It's not true. It's a spoof from a site that writes satirical "news" stories.
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Still no quote.
Your entire hijack of this thread....
Politics / Re: The True Story: Donald Trump Did Not Mock a Reporter’s Disability (http://Politics / Re: The True Story: Donald Trump Did Not Mock a Reporter’s Disability)
And your repeated accusation that @sinkspur didn't care about terrorism because he said Trump lied about 9/11 (which he did).
(See specifically your posts 105 and 114. Lies)
Then there's the current thread. Look upthread and read your own words.
Bye. :seeya:
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All Trump had to do was keep his mouth shut and not say/tweet a "word".
The Dems Have Trumps number. He is being played and he is to stupid to see it.
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I have enormous sympathy for the Kahn family..thereby the Grace of God go I....but we all know he was a willing participant to try to embarrass Trump ...
@mystery-ak
You can't embarrass a narcissistic sociopath. To be embarrassed,first you would have to convince him that someones opinion other than his is important. He just can't accept as fact that what other people say or think is important.
That's why he keeps stepping on these political landmines.
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Trump is far more likely to address the Sharia threat and its related symbols than Hamas Huma .
We may feel that some of Trump's rhetoric is a bit gauche, but he is addressing the larger issue of Sharia.
Instead of constant euphemisms like 'workplace violence'
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-555XdyGZUIA/UIfSuoLIbOI/AAAAAAAAido/vJiO2_fcTt8/s640/WORKPLACE+VIOLENCE.jpg)
@LonestarDream
Sharia Law is not the law in Dearborn. The article was a spoof piece from a web site that specializes in satire.
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You have nothing from this thread. 'Look up thread' does not cut it.
Your entire hijack of this thread....
Politics / Re: The True Story: Donald Trump Did Not Mock a Reporter’s Disability (http://Politics / Re: The True Story: Donald Trump Did Not Mock a Reporter’s Disability)
And your repeated accusation that @sinkspur didn't care about terrorism because he said Trump lied about 9/11 (which he did).
(See specifically your posts 105 and 114. Lies)
Then there's the current thread. Look upthread and read your own words.
Bye. :seeya:
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@LonestarDream
Sharia Law is not the law in Dearborn. The article was a spoof piece from a web site that specializes in satire.
Maybe so , but there have been Sharia courts in the UK. So it is believable.
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His rhetoric and his follow through has historically been shown to not be connected. As recently as last week he totally blamed the rotten convention on the party after spending the subsequent months bragging that he was in charge and it was going to be the smoothest most star studded spectacle in history. He promised Tome Brady and gave us Chachi.
That is why a lot of folks don't think he is going to do a damn thing about the terrorist problem or any other thing he promises. And why he continues to attack Cruz and these parents of a dead soldier is totally absurd and destroying any chance he had to cobble together support.
@Frank Cannon
*I* don't tyhink he is going to do a damn thing about the terrorist problem because the only thing he EVER cares about directly involves Donald Trump.
I also believe that if he were to be elected President and they threatened him and his family personally,that he would apologize to them and surrender. "The Donald" is too important for him to risk.
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You have nothing from this thread. 'Look up thread' does not cut it.
When I have more time to waste, I may look them up for you.
I guess I figured you knew how to read.......
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There is a temporal governance component to Sharia.
@LonestarDream
Say WHAT? It is only temporary if you define "until the end of time" as temporary. Sharia Law is the engine that drives the movement.
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When I have more time to waste, I may look them up for you.
I guess I figured you knew how to read.......
Because they are not there. If you have time to make the assertion and call names, you have time to quote the material.
At least Trump is addressing the issue, not celebrating Sharia like Obama and Hillary.
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This story isn't ending any time soon...Trump took the bait and just wouldn't shut up about it...now this
Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Defend Khizr Khan's Son's Military Service and Sacrifice
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mitch-mcconnell-paul-ryan-defend-khizr-khans-sons/story?id=41031777
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@LonestarDream
Say WHAT? It is only temporary if you define "until the end of time" as temporary. Sharia Law is the engine that drives the movement.
Temporal not temporary. Temporal meaning earth based 'in our time' governance as opposed spiritual worship only. Agreeing with your point that Sharia is both a system of political governance and laws and not just a system of worship.
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I guess I figured you knew how to read.......
Again.
Are you going to treat me this way should we both end up supporting Ted Cruz in 2020?
Put what you find objectionable in a quote box, in context.
It would seem any support for Trump, who is now the Republican nominee will draw massive fire.
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@sneakypete, They lost their son 12 years ago.
Ok,I will give you points on that one,but 12 years ago Boy Jorge was the president. IF they ever against American policy or Boy Jorge back then,nobody has ever mentioned it. It does explain why they never protested against Bathhouse Barry,though.
Given that their son was killed after Boy Jorge started the US/Muddle Eastern wars,and now another alleged Republican running for president is telling Muslims to get out of the country,you can't blame them for being upset at Republicans and friendly towards Dims.
Sometimes you really do reap what you sow,and Trump is a freaking idiot.
WTH else do you think Dims keep importing 3rd worlders into the US if not because they will vote Dim?
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This story isn't ending any time soon...Trump took the bait and just wouldn't shut up about it...now this
Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Defend Khizr Khan's Son's Military Service and Sacrifice
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mitch-mcconnell-paul-ryan-defend-khizr-khans-sons/story?id=41031777
So, not a single Republican, including Newt, have come out in defense of Trump. And yet, not a single one of them see this offense as sufficient to withdraw support.
We are stuck with a malignant tumor of a candidate and an army of cowards supporting him.
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This story isn't ending any time soon...Trump took the bait and just wouldn't shut up about it...now this
Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Defend Khizr Khan's Son's Military Service and Sacrifice
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mitch-mcconnell-paul-ryan-defend-khizr-khans-sons/story?id=41031777
Paul Ryan needs to go.
The larger point is concerns over Sharia and its threat to our security are all being shouted down in the name of 'religious tolerance'
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All Trump had to do was keep his mouth shut and not say/tweet a "word".
The Dems Have Trumps number. He is being played and he is to stupid to see it.
@Wingnut
EVERYBODY has Trumps number. Anytime you want to distract him from minor things like floods,droughts,cities being on fire,nuclear war,etc,etc,etc,all you have to do is criticize him personally,and he will stop anything else he is doing to start shrieking like a little girl whose doll was just taken away.
NOTHING is as important to Trump as Trump is,and there will never be anything that important.
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Maybe so , but there have been Sharia courts in the UK. So it is believable.
@LonestarDream
Uhhh,you may not have noticed but the UK is NOT the US,and they don't have a Constitution and Bill of Rights that protects religious freedom. Instituting Sharia Law here in the US is Un-Constitutional,and on this issue even the ACLU will take a sudden interest in genuine freedom.
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Because they are not there. If you have time to make the assertion and call names, you have time to quote the material.
At least Trump is addressing the issue, not celebrating Sharia like Obama and Hillary.
Just for clarification...... Your attacks against sinkspur were extremely precise, but here you continued your attacks in more veiled and implied speech.
I'll just have to trust that you understand your hardcore snark (to @Oceander) about editing photos he was offended by implied he didn't take terrorism seriously.
After your overt attacks on sinkspur just moments before, it was clear that you were continuing your attacks in a more covert manner here.
Nonetheless, I provided you your "quote" from the other thread, and you ignored it, and I have no doubt you'll continue your mission, with or without truth as you attack others, so go for it.
I've spent 15 years on political forums, so I know that arguments with pretzels who deny their own actions need to come to an end.
Good luck with your mission. It won't work, because Trump is a liar and a poseur, but I'm sure he appreciates your dedication.
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This story isn't ending any time soon...Trump took the bait and just wouldn't shut up about it...now this
Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Defend Khizr Khan's Son's Military Service and Sacrifice
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mitch-mcconnell-paul-ryan-defend-khizr-khans-sons/story?id=41031777
@mystery-ak
Has there ever been a more bone-headed candidate for president of the US than Trump?
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Temporal not temporary. Temporal meaning earth based 'in our time' governance as opposed spiritual worship only. Agreeing with your point that Sharia is both a system of political governance and laws and not just a system of worship.
@LonestarDream
Worship is just a way to describe party meetings.
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@LonestarDream
Uhhh,you may not have noticed but the UK is NOT the US,and they don't have a Constitution and Bill of Rights that protects religious freedom. Instituting Sharia Law here in the US is Un-Constitutional,and on this issue even the ACLU will take a sudden interest in genuine freedom.
The constitution is routinely ignored these days. South Carolina even had 'no sharia law' legislation. So if the article is fiction, it is not far from the truth. Chosen usually posts well thought arguments.
ACLU tends to be selective when defending the constitution.
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@LonestarDream
Worship is just a way to describe party meetings.
Yes strongly agree with you on this point.
Apologies for using the 50 cent word temporal.
It also alarmed Andy McCarthy when he researched the Koran to prosecute the Blind Sheik in World Trade Center Bombing #1 in 93.
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So, not a single Republican, including Newt, have come out in defense of Trump. And yet, not a single one of them see this offense as sufficient to withdraw support.
We are stuck with a malignant tumor of a candidate and an army of cowards supporting him.
@sinkspur
They CAN'T withdraw support because they don't HAVE anyone else and he supposedly represents "the will of the people". The ONLY way to replace him as the alleged Republican nominee is to get him to step down by paying him more than the Clinton's are paying him to step down in Sept or Oct,or to have the party hold a meeting and vote to remove him as the nominee. The end result would be the media and the DNC screaming about a "political coup","ignoring the Will of the People" just like they care about that,and "dictatorship". The end result would be a wet dream come true for the DNC and their backers.
The only thing they CAN do is have a candidate waiting in the wings for him to step down so they can jump right in,ready to start campaigning with a plan already written to take over.
Not that that is a GOOD plan,but it seems to be the ONLY plan they can have at this point.
And the Country Club Republican Globalists will have nobody to blame but themselves for the complete destruction of their power. If they had fallen behind Cruz like they would have fallen behind JEB,it would be Cruz against Bubbette!,and she wouldn't have had a chance.
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Ocean has a high intellect and is a strong contributor to this board.
Does not mean we are going to agree on every nuance of every issue.
Just for clarification...... Your attacks against sinkspur were extremely precise, but here you continued your attacks in more veiled and implied speech.
I'll just have to trust that you understand your hardcore snark (to @Oceander) about editing photos he was offended by implied he didn't take terrorism seriously.
After your overt attacks on sinkspur just moments before, it was clear that you were continuing your attacks in a more covert manner here.
Nonetheless, I provided you your "quote" from the other thread, and you ignored it, and I have no doubt you'll continue your mission, with or without truth as you attack others, so go for it.
I've spent 15 years on political forums, so I know that arguments with pretzels who deny their own actions need to come to an end.
Good luck with your mission. It won't work, because Trump is a liar and a poseur, but I'm sure he appreciates your dedication.
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Ocean has a high intellect and is a strong contributor to this board.
Does not mean we are going to agree on every nuance of every issue.
Right. And doesn't mean you should make insulting, snarky comments because you don't agree.
But I'm sure you find yourself blameless again. (Noting that you never addressed your specific and ridiculous attacks on @sinkspur )
And because of that, I'm temporarily putting you on ignore, until you stop this crusade you're on....
Bye.
Really.
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The constitution is routinely ignored these days. South Carolina even had 'no sharia law' legislation. So if the article is fiction, it is not far from the truth. Chosen usually posts well thought arguments.
ACLU tends to be selective when defending the constitution.
@LonestarDream
The article IS fiction. EVERYTHING on that web site is fiction. The site is devoted to satire. It's not an actual news site.
And there was nothing preventing SC from enacting "No Sharia Law" legislation. It was just theater and "gilding the lily". Sadly,most of the elected officials voting for it did so because they don't know or understand that Sharia Law is already forbidden by the US Constitution.
Let Sharia Law become enacted by the legislature of any state and watch the feds come crashing down on them like a whole damn brick factory.
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Apologies for using the 50 cent word temporal.
No apology needed. We are all guilty of that,and worse, from time to time.
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You are making the drive insults and then saying bye.
Right. And doesn't mean you should make insulting, snarky comments because you don't agree.
But I'm sure you find yourself blameless again. (Noting that you never addressed your specific and ridiculous attacks on @sinkspur )
And because of that, I'm temporarily putting you on ignore, until you stop this crusade you're on....
Bye.
Really.
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We are stuck with a malignant tumor of a candidate and an army of cowards supporting him.
That's funny. Anyone on this forum who dares say anything good about Trump is anything but a coward. That "coward" thing seems to come around every election.
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That's funny. Anyone on this forum who dares say anything good about Trump is anything but a coward. That "coward" thing seems to come around every election.
It is beyond being pro NeverTrump only.
AnyTrump now draws personal attacks. The primaries are over. The convention is over.
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That "coward" thing seems to come around every election.
@MACVSOG68
Maybe because it is such a perfect adjective to use when describing he typical politician of today,where "bold" means agreeing with the media and the party bosses?
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At least Trump is addressing the issue, not celebrating Sharia like Obama and Hillary.
Yes, if it were up to Trump then Kahn and his family wouldn't have been allowed into the U.S. If it were up to Trump's advisor, Newt Gingrich, Kahn and his wife would be deported immediately. Would they be required to dig up their son and take him with them?
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That's funny. Anyone on this forum who dares say anything good about Trump is anything but a coward. That "coward" thing seems to come around every election.
It's interesting but I haven't seen anybody defend Trump today. It seems all his supporters know he stepped in it. I'm just wondering what the straw will be that breaks the camel's back?
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Yes, if it were up to Trump then Kahn and his family wouldn't have been allowed into the U.S. If it were up to Trump's advisor, Newt Gingrich, Kahn and his wife would be deported immediately. Would they be required to dig up their son and take him with them?
Trump knows he can get away with saying and doing ANYTHING and he won't lose any support. There's that shooting someone on 5th avenue thing..................
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@MACVSOG68
Maybe because it is such a perfect adjective to use when describing he typical politician of today,where "bold" means agreeing with the media and the party bosses?
It's generally used on these forums to define anyone who disagrees with the poster.
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I disagree. Khan did not step up there to talk about his son, who was referenced by the father in two sentences, one of which praised Hillary Clinton. He used his son as a prop, spending almost all of his short speech condemning Trump, while forgetting to mention the deaths directly on Clinton. Here is his diatribe:
And the guy 'forgot' to mention that "his son" was killed by an IED .. planted by Muslims!? :whistle:
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It's generally used on these forums to define anyone who disagrees with the poster.
@MACVSOG68
Yeah,but there is a very big world out there outside of the interenet,and as hard as it might be to believe it these day,the real world is more important than the cyber world.
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What The Media Is Not Telling You About The Muslim Who Attacked Donald Trump: He Is A Muslim Brotherhood Agent Who Wants To Advance Sharia Law And Bring Muslims Into The United States
http://shoebat.com/2016/07/31/what-the-media-is-not-telling-you-about-the-muslim-who-attacked-donald-trump-he-is-a-muslim-brotherhood-agent-who-wants-to-advance-sharia-law-and-bring-muslims-into-the-united-states/
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Trump has an "interesting" take on the First Amendment.
Trump would put the gold star father in prison for saying anything critical of him. He has to strike back at any person anywhere in the world if they have a criticism of him. It is insane to vote for an insane person for president. I will vote for Clinton so the world isn't destroyed by Trump wanting to prove he is the best in the world and that is the only way he can prove to himself he IS the best in the world. All country leaders must treat him as King or they are on his destroy list. I believe what I just wrote.
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This story isn't ending any time soon...Trump took the bait and just wouldn't shut up about it...now this
Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Defend Khizr Khan's Son's Military Service and Sacrifice
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mitch-mcconnell-paul-ryan-defend-khizr-khans-sons/story?id=41031777
Right, regardless your views on islam, ...trump, as you have said....was baited and is well hooked on a very stupid move on his part.
You thank the family for the sacrifice and good and move onto Nidal Hassan and the majority of muslim attacks occuring.
Tactically this was very very stupid on trump.
It is not the primaries anymore, the leftist media will see this does damage.
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It's interesting but I haven't seen anybody defend Trump today. It seems all his supporters know he stepped in it. I'm just wondering what the straw will be that breaks the camel's back?
Indeed most believed some of his statements have been over the top. But then most here are doing everything to ensure the GOP loses the election, so it shouldn't be surprising. What's interesting though is that virtually all of the anti-Trumps appear not to see what Hillary and Khan were doing. While there's always that proverbial straw, those of us who know how dangerous Hillary really is have yet to see it. But maybe next week...
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And the guy 'forgot' to mention that "his son" was killed by an IED .. planted by Muslims!? :whistle:
Indeed.
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What The Media Is Not Telling You About The Muslim Who Attacked Donald Trump: He Is A Muslim Brotherhood Agent Who Wants To Advance Sharia Law And Bring Muslims Into The United States
http://shoebat.com/2016/07/31/what-the-media-is-not-telling-you-about-the-muslim-who-attacked-donald-trump-he-is-a-muslim-brotherhood-agent-who-wants-to-advance-sharia-law-and-bring-muslims-into-the-united-states/
Total bullshit. Dots are connected that don't exist and allow these two writers to make fallacious accusations. Even in this shabbily written article there was NO evidence presented that Khan has any association with Muslim Brotherhood.
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Indeed most believed some of his statements have been over the top. But then most here are doing everything to ensure the GOP loses the election, so it shouldn't be surprising. What's interesting though is that virtually all of the anti-Trumps appear not to see what Hillary and Khan were doing. While there's always that proverbial straw, those of us who know how dangerous Hillary really is have yet to see it. But maybe next week...
"Over the top"? That's it. Mocking disabled reporters wasn't enough I guess. Now, those who have justified a Trump vote think trashing Gold Star parents is perfectly fine.
As far as I'm concerned, the GOP voters made the decision to lose the election when they went for Trump.
In a year when we had eight or nine viable candidates, our LIV, reality-TV loving Republicans decide a MLM con artist should be their standard bearer.
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Total bullshit. Dots are connected that don't exist and allow these two writers to make fallacious accusations. Even in this shabbily written article there was NO evidence presented that Khan has any association with Muslim Brotherhood.
Right, because if he did... he would be working for obama/clinton like Huma Abedin or Valarie Jarret.. or wait.... maybe showing...up at ...the DNC, convention.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/08/8_4_2015_13_24.html
Given that obam/hillary have advanced the Muslim Brotherhood at Americas expense..Remember the "arab/Muslim brotherhood spring". That even saw the Muslim Brotherhood put in power in Egypt , at obama/Hillary effort/applause?
We can thank the Egyptian military for stooping that obama/Hillary brain-fart.
I would say it is reasonable for reasonable men..and ladies, to conclude..until the negative is shown. That birds of a feather flock together.
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Right, because if he did... he would be working for obama/clinton like Huma Abedin or Valarie Jarret.. or wait.... maybe showing...up at ...the DNC, convention.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/08/8_4_2015_13_24.html
Given that obam/hillary have advanced the Muslim Brotherhood at Americas expense..Remember the "arab/Muslim brotherhood spring". That even saw the Muslim Brotherhood put in power in Egypt , at obama/Hillary effort/applause?
We can thank the Egyptian military for stooping that obama/Hillary brain-fart.
I would say it is reasonable for reasonable men..and ladies, to conclude..until the negative is shown. That birds of a feather flock together.
Wow. So if I'm ever on a stage with a guy who beat his wife, that must mean I approve of wife-beating.
The logic is amazing.
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What The Media Is Not Telling You About The Muslim Who Attacked Donald Trump: He Is A Muslim Brotherhood Agent Who Wants To Advance Sharia Law And Bring Muslims Into The United States
http://shoebat.com/2016/07/31/what-the-media-is-not-telling-you-about-the-muslim-who-attacked-donald-trump-he-is-a-muslim-brotherhood-agent-who-wants-to-advance-sharia-law-and-bring-muslims-into-the-united-states/
Excellent find. Concerned about Sharia and its security impacts.
Khan’s fascination with Islamic Sharia stems from his life in Saudi Arabia. During the eighties Kahn wrote a paper titled Juristic Classification of Islamic [Sharia] Law. In it he elucidated on the system of Sharia law expressing his reverence for “The Sunnah [the works of Muhammad] — authentic tradition of the Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him).” A snapshot of his essay can be seen here:
At the bottom of the page, Kahn shows his appreciation for an icon of the Muslim Brotherhood: “The contribution to this article of S. Ramadan’s writing is greatly acknowledged.” S. Ramadan is Said Ramadan, head of the Islamic Center in Geneva and a major icon of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Said Ramadan, Muslim Brotherhood agent
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Ramadan was a writer who wrote material for the Muslim Youth Movement of Malaysia, an organization that has been promoting Islamic revivalism and indoctrination to recruit young people in Malaysia to jihadism. It is actually a Malaysian branch of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. Ramadan wrote a book called, Islamic Law: Its Scope and Equity, and a version of it was published for the Malaysian Muslim Youth Movement (a branch of WAMY):
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Worth a read.
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You are misstating what I have said (of course). I have not called you "sick." I have said that attacking others who don't support Trump of not caring or knowing about terrorism is "ugly"........ and it is.
@musiclady
I suggest you put his name and the others who are joining in against you on IGNORE. It is a waste of time to read their sicko messages. Plus, they don't understand the meaning of "Insane" Trump or they wouldn't be supporting him. Trump is a mortal danger to this country and Clinton is not insane. Keep making your "music" and use Ignore. :0006:
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Indeed most believed some of his statements have been over the top. But then most here are doing everything to ensure the GOP loses the election, so it shouldn't be surprising. What's interesting though is that virtually all of the anti-Trumps appear not to see what Hillary and Khan were doing. While there's always that proverbial straw, those of us who know how dangerous Hillary really is have yet to see it. But maybe next week...
Agreed. The primaries are over. For me this is not about attacking other members here, but understanding what are the actionable things we can do.
But for some, there is some overpowering emotion against Trump which I do not completely understand. As a realist, concede Trump is imperfect.
But is there is some powerful emotion against Trump, to the point of having some deep emotional satisfaction of seeing him beat, even if it is Hillary that beats him.
White noise or a cloud of smoke (in other words someone who takes random actions) would be better than Hillary.
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"Over the top"? That's it. Mocking disabled reporters wasn't enough I guess. Now, those who have justified a Trump vote think trashing Gold Star parents is perfectly fine.
And yet just a few minutes ago you said no one was defending what he said.
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Wow. So if I'm ever on a stage with a guy who beat his wife, that must mean I approve of wife-beating.
The logic is amazing.
When you are on the same political stage and same political page...... Maybe so.
The myopia is amazing.
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And yet just a few minutes ago you said no one was defending what he said.
They're not condemning it either. The silence from Trump supporters is defeaning. You, at least, have said Trump could have been more artful in his response.
There's nothing artful about Trump, though. That's the thing.
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When you are on the same political stage and same political page...... Maybe so.
The myopia is amazing.
So let me get this straight: anybody who joins Hillary or supports her is a fan of the Muslim Brotherhood.
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So let me get this straight: anybody who joins Hillary or supports her is a fan of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Her closeness to Huma and Hamas. And the large donations from the Saudis and others to various Clinton entities are troubling.
The State Dept emails , which were deleted , are suspicious and could provide further accounts of double dealing beyond what we have heard in 'Clinton Cash.'
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So let me get this straight: anybody who joins Hillary or supports her is a fan of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Is Hillarys closest advisor and obamas not connected with the Muslim Brotherhood? Have they not placed those favorable or conected to the Muslim Brotherhood into positions of power in our government.
Have not Hillary/obama aided the Muslim Brotherhood to gain power in the middle east..I.E. Egypt.
I think the question you need to honestly ask yourself is...would Hillary let any speak who did not s'port what Hilary/obama so clearly have and do s'port.
That, is the right question.
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Here's Pence's "What Mr. Trump meant to say was....."
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Is Hillarys closest advisor and obamas not connected with the Muslim Brotherhood? Have they not placed those favorable or conected to the Muslim Brotherhood into positions of power in our government.
Have not Hillary/obama aided the Muslim Brotherhood to gain power in the middle east..I.E. Egypt.
I think the question you need to honestly ask yourself is...would Hillary let any speak who did not s'port what Hilary/obama so clearly have and do s'port.
That is the right question.
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I'm going to back away quietly.
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I'm going to back away quietly.
Wise, very wise.
It is what trump should have done when confronted with the democrats muslim "gold star" shill.
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But Sen. Jeff Sessions (R., Ala.), a Trump supporter, defended the Republican nominee on “State of the Union,” saying Mr. Trump hadn’t spoken inappropriately. “His interview was not unkind, it was respectful, it did express condolences to the family for their loss,” Mr. Sessions said.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-pushes-back-against-father-of-fallen-muslim-soldier-1469986267
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Here's Pence's "What Mr. Trump meant to say was....."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CovAu1XUIAAGBBm.jpg)
Yeah..trump is a fool, no doubt about that.
Easily baited.
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Here's Pence's "What Mr. Trump meant to say was....."
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This is the statement Trump should have issued to begin with and been done with it..his naivety in politics and his lack of diplomatic skills has really hurt him....I hope he can recover from this..right now it looks bad.
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Wise, very wise.
It is what trump should have done when confronted with the democrats muslim "gold star" shill.
The irony escaped you entirely.
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But Sen. Jeff Sessions (R., Ala.), a Trump supporter, defended the Republican nominee on “State of the Union,” saying Mr. Trump hadn’t spoken inappropriately. “His interview was not unkind, it was respectful, it did express condolences to the family for their loss,” Mr. Sessions said.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-pushes-back-against-father-of-fallen-muslim-soldier-1469986267
Trump's statement challenged Khan's right to criticize him and insulted Khan's wife. Sessions is so in the tank for Trump his breath stinks.
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The irony escaped you entirely.
Sorry, I'm allergic to bullshit. :tongue2:
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This is the statement Trump should have issued to begin with and been done with it..his naivety in politics and his lack of diplomatic skills has really hurt him....I hope he can recover from this..right now it looks bad.
Has Trump changed a thing in a year? We have another 100 days of this stuff. At 70, Trump is who he is.
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This is the statement Trump should have issued to begin with and been done with it..his naivety in politics and his lack of diplomatic skills has really hurt him....I hope he can recover from this..right now it looks bad.
Trump should never have uttered a word about the muslim bait democrats laid for him.
Trump is a fool.
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Has Trump changed a thing in a year? We have another 100 days of this stuff. At 70, Trump is who he is.
Yep.
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Trump's statement challenged Khan's right to criticize him and insulted Khan's wife. Sessions is so in the tank for Trump his breath stinks.
@sinkspur
Sessions has lost his ability to think independently since he hooked up with Trump. At some point he will realize what a serious mistake he has made. He won't be able to influence Trump as he thinks he can and if he makes a suggestion Trump doesn't like, Sessions will be thrown under the bus and it will happen.
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@sinkspur
Sessions has lost his ability to think independently since he hooked up with Trump. At some point he will realize what a serious mistake he has made. He won't be able to influence Trump as he thinks he can and if he makes a suggestion Trump doesn't like, Sessions will be thrown under the bus and it will happen.
Sessions jumped on the Trump train because of immigration. When Trump's position doesn't differ all that much from Obama's, what's he going to do then?
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The Trumpkins have been deflecting all day, starting with Manafort on Meet the Press. Watch Brian Stelter corral a Trump shill and make him focus on the topic at hand:
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Bad news for Trump in Colorado. Coffman's from a critical swing district
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:patriot:
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Plenty of sacrifices by people killed in the name of Christianity throughout history also, but that has nothing to do with myself or the 2 billion or so other Christians in the world today. So spare us your attempt to link 9/11 to this man's sacrifice of his son serving our country.
The only sacrifice Hillary ever made was to her husband--to stay married to him after all the adultery. Of course, everyone knows why. :03:
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Is Hillarys closest advisor and obamas not connected with the Muslim Brotherhood? Have they not placed those favorable or conected to the Muslim Brotherhood into positions of power in our government.
Have not Hillary/obama aided the Muslim Brotherhood to gain power in the middle east..I.E. Egypt.
I think the question you need to honestly ask yourself is...would Hillary let any speak who did not s'port what Hilary/obama so clearly have and do s'port.
That, is the right question.
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@Fantom
Are you trying to deny that Poppy Bush,followed by Boy Jorge Bush weren't the first ones to do this? The Sauds practically own Boy Jorge outright. It was during his presidency that we invaded Iraq and hanged Hussein because he was a threat to the Saud Kingdom,and it was during his presidency that fundie Muslims were appointed to supervisory position in the FBI and other branches of the alleged Justice Dept.
Bubbette! is just following a old Bush Crime Family tradition. Don't damn her for it if you aren't also willing to damn the Bush clan.
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The Trumpkins have been deflecting all day, starting with Manafort on Meet the Press. Watch Brian Stelter corral a Trump shill and make him focus on the topic at hand:
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Wow. I can smell the stink of desperation just reading that transcript.
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@sinkspur
Sessions has lost his ability to think independently since he hooked up with Trump. At some point he will realize what a serious mistake he has made. He won't be able to influence Trump as he thinks he can and if he makes a suggestion Trump doesn't like, Sessions will be thrown under the bus and it will happen.
@Victoria33
@Victoria33 @sinkspur
I can't wait for the Orange Ego to hold a televised press conference,and announce,"Sessions,you are fired!"
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I am still astounded that so many of the GOP "elites" (Reince, that's you) haven't defended a war hero's father against a NYC developer
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They smeared Trump for having that Benghazi mom on, said how inappropriate it was, yadda yadda yadda.
Pat Smith, mother of Benghazi attack victim Sean Smith, RNC speech:
My son Sean was one of four brave Americans killed during the 2012 terrorist attack at Benghazi.
Sean was a wonderful son and father to my two amazing grandchildren, Samantha and Nathan, now 10 and 11.
He was proud to serve his country with the United States Foreign Service. The last time I talked to Sean, the night before the terrorist attack, he told me, “Mom, I am going to die.”
All security had been pulled from the embassy, he explained. And when he asked why, he never received a response.
Nobody listened. Nobody seemed to care.
The very next day, he was murdered by radical Islamic terrorists.
To this day, I don’t even know why a computer guy like Sean was sent to Benghazi.
That night, we lost sons, brothers, fathers, and husbands.
We lost four brave Americans who made the ultimate sacrifice for the country they chose to serve.
And, the American people lost the truth.
For all of this loss, for all of this grief, for all of the cynicism the tragedy in Benghazi has wrought upon America, I blame Hillary Clinton.
I blame Hillary Clinton personally for the death of my son.
In an email to her daughter shortly after the attack, Hillary Clinton blamed it on terrorism.
But when I saw Hillary Clinton at Sean’s coffin ceremony, just days later, she looked me squarely in the eye and told me a video was responsible.
Since then, I have repeatedly asked Hillary Clinton to explain to me the real reason why my son is dead.
I’m still waiting.
Whenever I called the State Department, no one would speak to me because they say I am “not a member of the immediate family.”
Sean is my son.
Hillary Clinton is a woman, a mother and a grandmother of two. I am a woman, a mother and a grandmother of two.
How could she do this to me? How could she do this to any American family? Donald Trump is everything Hillary Clinton is not.
He is blunt, direct, and strong.
He speaks his mind, and his heart.
And, when it comes to the threat posed by radical Islamic terrorism, he will not hesitate to kill the terrorists who threaten American lives.
He will make America stronger, not weaker. This entire campaign comes down to a single question.
If Hillary Clinton … can’t give us the truth … why should we give her the presidency.
Then this guy and his subservient wife do the same thing and we get gushing praise for Hillary and the dems.
Hillary voted for that war, Trump didn't.
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I am still astounded that so many of the GOP "elites" (Reince, that's you) haven't defended a war hero's father against a NYC developer
Have you or the media defended Pat Smith?
The media and Hillary smeared her, called her (In so many 'disguised' words) a liar and should be ashamed for using her son for political gain!
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Have you or the media defended Pat Smith?
The media and Hillary smeared her, called her (In so many 'disguised' words) a liar and should be ashamed for using her son for political gain!
Trump keeps claiming he's better than Hillary, so he gets held to the (higher) standard he says he meets. Trouble is, he keeps falling below that standard.
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This is a great point. Hillary's support of the Muslim brotherhood over the current Egyptian government is an even bigger deal than Benghazi.
Egypt under the muslim brotherhood helped Hamas in the gaza strip and was VERY anti-Israel .
Is Hillarys closest advisor and obamas not connected with the Muslim Brotherhood? Have they not placed those favorable or conected to the Muslim Brotherhood into positions of power in our government.
Have not Hillary/obama aided the Muslim Brotherhood to gain power in the middle east..I.E. Egypt.
I think the question you need to honestly ask yourself is...would Hillary let any speak who did not s'port what Hilary/obama so clearly have and do s'port.
That, is the right question.
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@musiclady
I suggest you put his name and the others who are joining in against you on IGNORE. It is a waste of time to read their sicko messages. Plus, they don't understand the meaning of "Insane" Trump or they wouldn't be supporting him. Trump is a mortal danger to this country and Clinton is not insane. Keep making your "music" and use Ignore. :0006:
Thank you, @Victoria33! That is exactly what I've done so I don't have to read any more of his nonsense.
I completely agree that Trump is a mortal danger to this country. That's why the attacks on others who cannot support him as being soft on terrorism is so utterly disgusting.
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They smeared Trump for having that Benghazi mom on, said how inappropriate it was, yadda yadda yadda.
Then this guy and his subservient wife do the same thing and we get gushing praise for Hillary and the dems.
Hillary voted for that war, Trump didn't.
The Democrats attacked the RNC, not the mother. Trump attacks the parent, not the DNC.
And you can't see the difference?
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@Chosen Daughter
It's not true. It's a spoof from a site that writes satirical "news" stories.
Could be. If so sorry. I am going to look into it later. I know for certain that they have one of the largest Muslim communities.
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Could be. If so sorry. I am going to look into it later. I know for certain that they have one of the largest Muslim communities.
Thanks for your honesty. Feel the same way.
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The Democrats attacked the RNC, not the mother. Trump attacks the parent, not the DNC.
And you can't see the difference?
You are a sad person!
Try being honest or .. at least do a search before posting dribble!
After Matthew's diatribe, all other media joined in: CNN, ABC, as well as a majority of the online socialist media.
Do your own search!
MSNBC Smears Pat Smith’s Speech About Benghazi; Her ‘Gross Accusation’ ‘Ruined’ the Night
Chris Matthews
I don't care what that woman up there, the mother has felt, her emotions are her own but for the country in choosing a leader, it's wrong to have someone get up there and tell a lie about Hillary Clinton. It's not true. It's logically not true.
Being the out-of-control pundit that he is, Matthews went as far as to rule that Smith’s speech soured the evening.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2016/07/18/msnbc-smears-pat-smiths-speech-about-benghazi-her-gross-accusation
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You are a sad person!
Try being honest or .. at least do a search before posting dribble!
After Matthew's diatribe, all other media joined in: CNN, ABC, as well as a majority of the online socialist media.
Do your own search!
MSNBC Smears Pat Smith’s Speech About Benghazi; Her ‘Gross Accusation’ ‘Ruined’ the Night
Being the out-of-control pundit that he is, Matthews went as far as to rule that Smith’s speech soured the evening.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2016/07/18/msnbc-smears-pat-smiths-speech-about-benghazi-her-gross-accusation
Sad, so sad. This is what our elections consist of. Story telling. It started with stories about Ted Cruz and his family. Now more stories from Trump friend about Gold Star parents.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/longtime-trump-confidant-smears-khan-family-as-members-of-islamic-brotherhood/
Trump is not fit to be President.
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Sad, so sad. This is what our elections consist of. Story telling. It started with stories about Ted Cruz and his family. Now more stories from Trump friend about Gold Star parents.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/longtime-trump-confidant-smears-khan-family-as-members-of-islamic-brotherhood/
Trump is not fit to be President.
I thought it was Walid Shoebat who was the source. And I thought he was reliable? http://shoebat.com/2016/07/31/what-the-media-is-not-telling-you-about-the-muslim-who-attacked-donald-trump-he-is-a-muslim-brotherhood-agent-who-wants-to-advance-sharia-law-and-bring-muslims-into-the-united-states/
Some pretty heavy documentation there, no?
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Mr. Khan, I grieve for the loss of your son. However, I grieve even more that you used his sacrifice and loss as nothing more than a damn politicized stunt. May God forgive you for it.
http://www.allenbwest.com/allen/personal-message-muslim-father-whose-son-killed-iraq
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After Matthew's diatribe, all other media joined in: CNN, ABC, as well as a majority of the online socialist media.
@mrclose
Of course the media are all over this. Trumps suggestion to shut down Muslim and Mexican immigration puts their globalism plans at risk. If he had enough sense to come in out of the rain AND WERE SERIOUS he would have stayed silent until he was in a position to actually do it.