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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Elderberry on January 07, 2018, 05:44:18 pm
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National Review by Victor Davis Hanson 1/2/2018
Most new administrations do not really completely overturn their predecessors’ policies to enact often-promised ideologically driven change.
The 18-year span of Harry Truman to Dwight Eisenhower to John F. Kennedy was mostly a continuum from center-left to center-right, back to center-left. Kennedy was probably as hawkish and as much of a tax cutter as was Eisenhower.
The seven years of Jerry Ford to Jimmy Carter were a similar transition — or even the twelve years of George H. W. Bush to Bill Clinton. The deck chairs changed, but the ship sailed in mostly the same manner to mostly the same direction.
Even the supposed great divide of 1981 did not mean that Jimmy Carter had been as left-wing as Ronald Reagan was right-wing. Carter’s fight against inflation and renewed defense build-up was continued in part by Reagan. George W. Bush was not as markedly right-wing as Barack Obama was clearly left-wing. In sum, there have rarely been back-to-back complete reversals in presidential agendas.
More: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/455051/trump-obama-compare-results (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/455051/trump-obama-compare-results)
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Great article, @Elderberry Thank you for the post.
To those who think that Trump’s personality makes him an unrepresentative avatar of conservatism, his supporters would say, “Persuade us that better conservative messengers could have been elected in 2016 America — and that they would have governed to the right of Trump in his first year.†Like it or not, Trump turned out to be a hard-core conservative, and yet one whose rhetoric, comportment, and feistiness appealed to people who had never before voted for hard-core conservative agendas.
Surprising that such an article was at National Review.
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Trump is not hard right.
Trump is a progressive in the same vein as Teddy Roosevelt.
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Trump is not hard right.
Trump is a progressive in the same vein as Teddy Roosevelt.
How so? @Cripplecreek
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How so? @Cripplecreek
Why didn’t you just post “tl;drâ€. Would have been easier for you.
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Trump is not hard right.
Trump is a progressive in the same vein as Teddy Roosevelt.
Tell that to all of the screeching, squealing progressives that are outraged that Trump wants there to be work requirements for able-bodied Medicaid recipients.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/us/politics/trump-work-requirements-medicaid.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/us/politics/trump-work-requirements-medicaid.html)
Real progressives (Read: commies like Obama) want to eliminate any work requirements for welfare.
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Tell that to all of the screeching, squealing progressives that are outraged that Trump wants there to be work requirements for able-bodied Medicaid recipients.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/us/politics/trump-work-requirements-medicaid.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/us/politics/trump-work-requirements-medicaid.html)
Real progressives (Read: commies like Obama) want to eliminate any work requirements for welfare.
Apparently you Nope think progressive means left.
Nope
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Great article, @Elderberry Thank you for the post.
Surprising that such an article was at National Review.
There was an article posted on Facebook today talking about how National Review has finally decided to accept Trump and approve of much of his doing so far.
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Tell that to all of the screeching, squealing progressives that are outraged that Trump wants there to be work requirements for able-bodied Medicaid recipients.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/us/politics/trump-work-requirements-medicaid.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/us/politics/trump-work-requirements-medicaid.html)
Real progressives (Read: commies like Obama) want to eliminate any work requirements for welfare.
:thumbsup: Good find!
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Tell that to all of the screeching, squealing progressives that are outraged that Trump wants there to be work requirements for able-bodied Medicaid recipients.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/us/politics/trump-work-requirements-medicaid.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/us/politics/trump-work-requirements-medicaid.html)
Real progressives (Read: commies like Obama) want to eliminate any work requirements for welfare.
Exactly, XenaLee. But logic does not appeal to NTers.
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Tell that to all of the screeching, squealing progressives that are outraged that Trump wants there to be work requirements for able-bodied Medicaid recipients.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/us/politics/trump-work-requirements-medicaid.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/us/politics/trump-work-requirements-medicaid.html)
Real progressives (Read: commies like Obama) want to eliminate any work requirements for welfare.
Because today’s liberals have gone far beyond the left of center progressivism of TR.
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Apparently you Nope think progressive means left.
Nope
Can you post without insulting other posters? Haven't seen it yet.
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Because today’s liberals have gone far beyond the left of center progressivism of TR.
Exactly. Today's liberals bear no resemblance at all to, say, JFK. They are the party of Bernie now.
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Exactly. Today's liberals bear no resemblance at all to, say, JFK. They are the party of Bernie now.
That doesn’t necessarily make the progressivism of TR acceptable, however.
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In One Big Week, Trump Delivers for Conservatives
Politico, Jan 5, 2018, DANNY VINIK
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,298442.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,298442.0.html)
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I don't consider Trump far right, but he's been more to the right than 'W' or Bush Sr and he's keeping the liberals in a frenzy. All in all, I think Trump had a good first year.
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Exactly. Today's liberals bear no resemblance at all to, say, JFK. They are the party of Bernie now.
They are the party of Ellison
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Great article, @Elderberry Thank you for the post.
Surprising that such an article was at National Review.
Right especially since Bill Kristol wasn't exactly on board with Trump.
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Apparently you Nope think progressive means left.
Nope
Nope answer the simple question that was posed to you twice above responding to your knee jerk, low level post calling Donny a Progressive. You have all the bandwidth in the world here to start listing all these Progressive policies that he has enacted in just one short year. I'm sure Nope you can bang out at least 20 or so in short order. Nope
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Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope. Nope Nope.
Nope. Nope Nope Nope dirty bastard.
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Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope Nope. Nope Nope.
Nope. Nope Nope Nope dirty bastard.
@Frank Cannon
You musta used the word liberal, or maybe Michigan
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@Frank Cannon
You musta used the word liberal, or maybe Michigan
No. I just used the words Nope Nope Nope Nope.
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No. I just used the words Nope Nope Nope Nope.
@Frank Cannon nope nope
Elvis has left the building
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You have all the bandwidth in the world here to start listing all these Progressive policies that he has enacted in just one short year.
Clever way of stating it, to weasel out of addressing his protection of progressivism, such as punting on his promise to repeal DACA "on Day One".
Another $1,000,000,000 more infrastructure expenditures is another biggie. He's a modern-day Bilbo (Theodore, not Baggins).
Then look at his attacks on free trade.
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Tell that to all of the screeching, squealing progressives that are outraged that Trump wants there to be work requirements for able-bodied Medicaid recipients.
A better idea would be to get able bodied people off Medicaid as it was already fiscally strained before the new sign ups under Obamacare
This is part of the problem. The GOP doesn't reverse leftist policies. They just make them a little bit "less leftist"
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Another $1,000,000,000 more infrastructure expenditures is another biggie.
What bill that passed is that in?
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Clever way of stating it, to weasel out of addressing his protection of progressivism, such as punting on his promise to repeal DACA "on Day One".
Another $1,000,000,000 more infrastructure expenditures is another biggie. He's a modern-day Bilbo (Theodore, not Baggins).
Then look at his attacks on free trade.
Jumpin' Jehosaphat!
Attacks on Free Trade?????????
WHAT damn FREE TRADE are you Talking about?
There's nothing Free that even qualifies as Trade in the royal hosings we're getting from both China and Japan.
Nothing.
We are being regulated out of Japan by protectionist Japanese Govt Decrees.
Post for me, for anyone, pictures of all those Ford, GM, and Chrysler cars and trucks in the streets of any Japanese City.
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U.S. Trade Representative Slams China, WTO, In Rare Public Appearance
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/09/18/u-s-trade-representative-slams-china-wto-in-rare-public-appearance-lighthizer-nafta/ (http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/09/18/u-s-trade-representative-slams-china-wto-in-rare-public-appearance-lighthizer-nafta/)
2016 Report To Congress On China's WTO Compliance
https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/2016-China-Report-to-Congress.pdf (https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/2016-China-Report-to-Congress.pdf)
Japan - U.S. Trade Representative
https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/2013%20NTE%20Japan%20Final.pdf (https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/2013%20NTE%20Japan%20Final.pdf)
Not even Dinner and a Movie.
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Trump is not hard right.
Trump is a progressive in the same vein as Teddy Roosevelt.
I agree.
If the government had gone hard right, there'd be a couple hundred miles of wall already and more under construction, "fast rail" would be deadheading from Mexico after capacity loads going back, the ACA would be gone, and a host of other things would have been accomplished. Of course, with the McConnell/McCain/Collins/Graham/Murkowski crew in Congress standing in the middle of the road blocking traffic, and others stuffing the bedsheets in the drains in the swamp, it gets harder.
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Can you post without insulting other posters? Haven't seen it yet.
Despite the edits, he has a point. The "Progressives" of TR's day are nothing like the Liberal/totalitarian factions in today's Left who have hijacked the term "Progressive".
Frankly, I see the Trump Administration as running to the Right of center on the great political road, but far from being in the right lane or being extremely Conservative.
That is how distorted our view of the political landscape has become.
If you don't admit that distortion, consider how the idea of suing someone for not baking a cake for a same-sex "marriage" would have fared as a legal concept in 1980, 1970, 1960? Or that a woman had a "Right" to government subsidized health insurance coverage to abort her baby? Or that students would be forbidden from praying at high school graduation ceremonies? Or that any US president would have ever demanded the covering or removal of crucifixes at a Catholic University (Georgetown, Obama).
That distortion, over time, has altered the perception of the political landscape significantly in just a few decades.
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That doesn’t necessarily make the progressivism of TR acceptable, however.
No, it doesn't, which means that if TR looks 'conservative', the 'middle of the road' is now in the left ditch somewhere, or maybe in the field beyond.
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Great article, @Elderberry Thank you for the post.
Surprising that such an article was at National Review.
Then it's obvious you don't read much of NRO. A number of the main writers there are strongly pro-Trump, including VDH, Deroy Murdock, Conrad Black, and a number of other people.
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Despite the edits, he has a point. The "Progressives" of TR's day are nothing like the Liberal/totalitarian factions in today's Left who have hijacked the term "Progressive".
Frankly, I see the Trump Administration as running to the Right of center on the great political road, but far from being in the right lane or being extremely Conservative.
That is how distorted our view of the political landscape has become.
If you don't admit that distortion, consider how the idea of suing someone for not baking a cake for a same-sex "marriage" would have fared as a legal concept in 1980, 1970, 1960? Or that a woman had a "Right" to government subsidized health insurance coverage to abort her baby? Or that students would be forbidden from praying at high school graduation ceremonies? Or that any US president would have ever demanded the covering or removal of crucifixes at a Catholic University (Georgetown, Obama).
That distortion, over time, has altered the perception of the political landscape significantly in just a few decades.
Absolutely. I understand that. In fact, most of the change has occurred during the past 8 years when guess who was president. He gave the liberals free rein to indulge in things they'd always liked.
Only a few years ago when I was on Free Republic, I would watch the Oscars with my computer in my lap and have a ball on the Oscar Thread on Free Republic. We had fun laughing at the whole thing.
Now, I am so bitter about Hollywood and the stars of TV and movies, I will not watch any award show ... not as a protest exactly ... I'm just not interested anymore.
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Despite the edits, he has a point. The "Progressives" of TR's day are nothing like the Liberal/totalitarian factions in today's Left who have hijacked the term "Progressive".
Frankly, I see the Trump Administration as running to the Right of center on the great political road, but far from being in the right lane or being extremely Conservative.
That is how distorted our view of the political landscape has become.
If you don't admit that distortion, consider how the idea of suing someone for not baking a cake for a same-sex "marriage" would have fared as a legal concept in 1980, 1970, 1960? Or that a woman had a "Right" to government subsidized health insurance coverage to abort her baby? Or that students would be forbidden from praying at high school graduation ceremonies? Or that any US president would have ever demanded the covering or removal of crucifixes at a Catholic University (Georgetown, Obama).
That distortion, over time, has altered the perception of the political landscape significantly in just a few decades.
I don't remember this personally but I know that Al Smith being a Catholic was a big no no.
I also remember that people were aghast because Adlai Stevenson was divorced.
But I still think the worst degradation of society came about in the last 8 years.
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Hard Right?!?!?!?!
:mauslaff:
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****sheep****
Hard Right?!?!?!?!
:mauslaff:
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There was an article posted on Facebook today talking about how National Review has finally decided to accept Trump and approve of much of his doing so far.
I am a subscriber.
Yes, they had that issue of the magazine that was against Trump, but, by and large, they have been pretty fair.
Some of the writers more than others, but I would suspect that.
They tend to take a rational approach, speak out when they think he is right, and also, when they think he is wrong.
The interesting thing about NR is, even through it was a Buckley magazine, they will often take different sides of an argument, and write about how the opposite positions can still be conservative.
They were doing this even when Buckley ran the magazine.
They are definitely not a "one-size-fits-all" magazine.
For my money, still one of the best ones around.