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We have heard it clearly. They have said it openly and with pride.
Why would they ever imagine that this statement would be completely one sided?
Ok, I guess? We don't have to be civil anymore. If that is what they want, then let's give to them.
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We have heard it clearly. They have said it openly and with pride.
Why would they ever imagine that this statement would be completely one sided?
Ok, I guess? We don't have to be civil anymore. If that is what they want, then let's give to them.
That is not our way. This President is the first we've had since RR who was willing to hand their heads to them, and look at the shots he's taking from those allegedly on our side.
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We have heard it clearly. They have said it openly and with pride.
Why would they ever imagine that this statement would be completely one sided?
Ok, I guess? We don't have to be civil anymore. If that is what they want, then let's give to them.
That has backfired on them politically. Why give up that advantage?
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We don't have to, but if we are, it makes our opponents look like petulant children when they are uncivil.
Being civil is not the same thing as not fighting back. Review the video of Lindsay Graham's "You guys want power. God! I hope you never get it!" speech to see what I'm talking about. He was perfectly civil, while delivering an impassioned attack on the Democrats.
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We don't have to, but if we are, it makes our opponents look like petulant children when they are uncivil.
Being civil is not the same thing as not fighting back. Review the video of Lindsay Graham's "You guys want power. God! I hope you never get it!" speech to see what I'm talking about. He was perfectly civil, while delivering an impassioned attack on the Democrats.
Very much agree. Reagan also provides a great example of fighting back while being civil. It is the key to what made him so persuasive with a wide range of people.
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If being civil means refraining from unprovoked physical violence and/or verbal abuse the by all means we should remain civil.
But if being civil means not saying anything that the left disagrees with or doing anything that makes them unhappy, which I suspect is the standard of civility they expect from us, then I hope we continue the incivility.
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The left's current version of "incivility" is to be rude and nasty to people not because they've been rude and nasty, but simply because they don't oppose Trump. So if someone is advocating that we mirror that, it would mean being rude and nasty to anyone who doesn't support Trump, even if they are otherwise a nice, reasonable person, and treat us just fine.
That seems rather disgusting to me.
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We don't have to, but if we are, it makes our opponents look like petulant children when they are uncivil.
Being civil is not the same thing as not fighting back. Review the video of Lindsay Graham's "You guys want power. God! I hope you never get it!" speech to see what I'm talking about. He was perfectly civil, while delivering an impassioned attack on the Democrats.
Why I feel a need to say this I don’t know, but I’ll say it anyway, Trump‘s personality and verbal skills are different than Lindsay Graham’s. In business, he has shown innate abilities that are serving voters well in politics.
You may not like them, but those skills work for him and are proving killer effective. Trump’s lived up to the hype of a never-give-up, successful American.
Secondly, we knew all this about him when we voted for him; we voted for him not in spite of his personality, but because of it. All of that patriotic zeal and non-politician status was just icing on the cake.
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Why I feel a need to say this I don’t know, but I’ll say it anyway, Trump‘s personality and verbal skills are different than Lindsay Graham’s. In business, he has shown innate abilities that are serving voters well in politics.
You may not like them, but those skills work for him and are proving killer effective. Trump’s lived up to the hype of a never-give-up, successful American.
Secondly, we knew all this about him when we voted for him; we voted him not in spite of his personality, but because of it. All of that patriotic zeal and non-politician status was just icing on the cake.
Worked for Don King too... Hardly the standard to run a country on...
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Why I feel a need to say this I don’t know, but I’ll say it anyway, Trump‘s personality and verbal skills are different than Lindsay Graham’s. In business, he has shown innate abilities that are serving voters well in politics.
You may not like them, but those skills work for him and are proving killer effective. Trump’s lived up to the hype of a never-give-up, successful American.
Secondly, we knew all this about him when we voted for him; we voted him not in spite of his personality, but because of it. All of that patriotic zeal and non-politician status was just icing on the cake.
..... :thumbsup: MAGAPILL.COM. lists all the accomplishments , and not even a full 2 years, yet!
Another 10% tax cut, ONLY for the middle class. No one else needs it. Almost 50% pay no taxes, at all, but receive back as much as 10,000 with family of four. Child credit and E.I.C.
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Being civil is not the same thing as not fighting back. Review the video of Lindsay Graham's "You guys want power. God! I hope you never get it!" speech to see what I'm talking about. He was perfectly civil, while delivering an impassioned attack on the Democrats.
Exactly.
Some people think that the Left's goal is to win some elections. Nope; that's only a stepping stone. They want to tear down our society and culture, replacing it with their own vision.
Civility strengthens a society, so every bit of incivility they can incite is a win for them.
Recall their "Make 'em swear, and we win!" (turned into "If they're swearin', we're winnin'!) from decades ago? They haven't forgotten -- I guarantee.
Does this mean roll over? Again, nope. It means we have to think strategically, not just emotionally and short-term/small picture.
Hit back hard...without giving them a strategic victory.
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You may not like them, but those skills work for him and are proving killer effective.
Exactly!
If he was different and tried to work with Congress, we wouldn't have that big beautiful wall already built, the deficit going down instead of up, term limits, the end of Obamacare, etc.! Thank goodness he's a belligerent, go-it-alone, reality-be-damned uncouth, uncivil lout!
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Give the appearance of acting civilly.
But underneath, be ruthless.
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Descending to their level only makes it more difficult to reach the "Both Sides are the same damn louts Anyway, so why bother to vote? I'm Done with it." crowd.
Winning today will make the Rats absolutely apoplectic.
They need to be Kept in that state so we can Continue winning in future years.
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Why I feel a need to say this I don’t know, but I’ll say it anyway, Trump‘s personality and verbal skills are different than Lindsay Graham’s. In business, he has shown innate abilities that are serving voters well in politics.
You may not like them, but those skills work for him and are proving killer effective. Trump’s lived up to the hype of a never-give-up, successful American.
Secondly, we knew all this about him when we voted for him; we voted him not in spite of his personality, but because of it. All of that patriotic zeal and non-politician status was just icing on the cake.
@aligncare
You don't get it. The FACT that he is successful when none of the anointed Party People have ever done anything but fail and surrender is WHY the NT's and their Dim pals hate him so much.
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Exactly!
If he was different and tried to work with Congress, we wouldn't have that big beautiful wall already built, the deficit going down instead of up, term limits, the end of Obamacare, etc.! Thank goodness he's a belligerent, go-it-alone, reality-be-damned uncouth, uncivil lout!
@Suppressed
You mean as compared to the wonderful successes of Boy Jorge Bush and the other alleged Republican Pod Politicians? The VERY PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE DIM SUCCESSES THAT ARE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY?
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Exactly!
If he was different and tried to work with Congress, we wouldn't have that big beautiful wall already built, the deficit going down instead of up, term limits, the end of Obamacare, etc.! Thank goodness he's a belligerent, go-it-alone, reality-be-damned uncouth, uncivil lout!
Sorry, but in my opinion, you have a distorted view of Donald Trump, based I assume on your limited reading of his life. But for once try taking an objective look at this American icon. One that isn’t tainted by your personal political biases. You might come away with a different perspective.
Despite going broke he made it all back, and then some. You think that’s easy?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1992/11/29/trump-went-broke-but-stayed-on-top/e1685555-1de7-400c-99a8-9cd9c0bca9fe/?utm_term=.ef0a939a34c3 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1992/11/29/trump-went-broke-but-stayed-on-top/e1685555-1de7-400c-99a8-9cd9c0bca9fe/?utm_term=.ef0a939a34c3)
Despite knowing that his personal fortune would take a huge hit, this patriotic American ran for president anyway because he knew he had the right message: build the wall, renegotiate bad trade deals, reduce the tax burden on all Americans and the businesses they own. Plus a whole lot more.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2018/03/06/donald-trump-drops-400-million-on-forbes-billionaires-list/ (https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2018/03/06/donald-trump-drops-400-million-on-forbes-billionaires-list/)
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You mean as compared to
No, I put no comparisons in there. I don't mean relative; I mean absolute.
But "Whataboutism" is the first refuge of a Trumper, I know.
And you're obsessed with the Bushes, I know.
But please try to address the points at hand. The fact is, Trump's approach has not been successful at accomplishing his promises, except for SCOTUS, which the Senate was fighting despite him.
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I prefer being civil, but put honesty before that.
I think both can be accomplished simultaneously.
It isn't that difficult.
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No, I put no comparisons in there. I don't mean relative; I mean absolute.
But "Whataboutism" is the first refuge of a Trumper, I know.
And you're obsessed with the Bushes, I know.
But please try to address the points at hand. The fact is, Trump's approach has not been successful at accomplishing his promises, except for SCOTUS, which the Senate was fighting despite him.
@Suppressed
Ok,the point at hand is you are delusional.
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Ok,the point at hand is you are delusional.
@sneakypete
Yes, it's obvious that you can't address the points and have to deflect and distract.
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@sneakypete
Yes, it's obvious that you can't address the points and have to deflect and distract.
@Suppressed
WHAT points? Name THREE things anyone named Bush accomplished in 8 years in the oval office that match what Trump has accomplished in less than two.
BTW,stuff like "sucking up to the Dims" doesn't count.
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We don't have to, but if we are, it makes our opponents look like petulant children when they are uncivil.
Being civil is not the same thing as not fighting back. Review the video of Lindsay Graham's "You guys want power. God! I hope you never get it!" speech to see what I'm talking about. He was perfectly civil, while delivering an impassioned attack on the Democrats.
Precisely.
And being crude and uncivil is not even remotely the same thing as "fighting back."
Too many argue that nasty tweets mean fighting. They don't. It may make the angry feel better (or just angrier), but it does no good to move the ball toward the end zone.
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@Suppressed
Ok,the point at hand is you are delusional.
Be merciful and kind to a fellow member who literally has TDS. I think the point poster is missing is that Trump is so good at the presidential thing, that he has had a transformative impact on politics.
After Donald J. Trump, presidential politics will never be the same.
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Be merciful and kind to a fellow member who literally has TDS. I think the point poster is missing is that Trump is so good at the presidential thing, that he has had a transformative impact on politics.
After Donald J. Trump, presidential politics will never be the same.
Right.
Never presidential. *****rollingeyes*****
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We don't have to, but if we are, it makes our opponents look like petulant children when they are uncivil.
Being civil is not the same thing as not fighting back. Review the video of Lindsay Graham's "You guys want power. God! I hope you never get it!" speech to see what I'm talking about. He was perfectly civil, while delivering an impassioned attack on the Democrats.
Good post. Graham gave the speech of the year - civil, courtly even, and devastatingly effective.
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Too many argue that nasty tweets mean fighting. They don't. It may make the angry feel better (or just angrier), but it does no good to move the ball toward the end zone.
@musiclady
It's enough to make you shudder at the thought of imagining how the likes of Tammany Hall, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Joseph McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Richard Daley, Lyndon Johnson, and Bill Clinton would have been in the Twitterverse, if there was a Twitterverse for them to use at the time . . .
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Good post. Graham gave the speech of the year - civil, courtly even, and devastatingly effective.
The truth of the matter is, that when opinions are stated civilly, they have much more effect on the 'other' side, and especially more for those in the middle........ whom I think we are trying to attract, are we not?
Angry, uncivil red-meat for the faithful doesn't increase the party, it diminishes it.
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@musiclady
It's enough to make you shudder at the thought of imagining how the likes of Tammany Hall, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Joseph McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Richard Daley, Lyndon Johnson, and Bill Clinton would have been in the Twitterverse, if there was a Twitterverse for them to use at the time . . .
Oh, I don't know if it's that far from what we're seeing now.
I think there's a lot of Tammany Hall in tweets from this WH......
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Oh, I don't know if it's that far from what we're seeing now.
I think there's a lot of Tammany Hall in tweets from this WH......
@musiclady
There is that style in them, yes. But imagine if the real Tammany had had the Twitterverse available to it. Them, the longtime Nassau County Republicans on Long Island (they sometimes made the Tammany Democrats look like the essence of a mannered cricket team), the Daley machine, Willie Brown's machine in California, the Prendergast machine in Kansas City (from whence Harry Truman sprang, for those who don't remember) . . .
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Be merciful and kind to a fellow member who literally has TDS. I think the point poster is missing is that Trump is so good at the presidential thing, that he has had a transformative impact on politics.
After Donald J. Trump, presidential politics will never be the same.
@aligncare
I honestly believe you are right.
For too long the professional pols have played politics like it is a insider game of special circumstances and they know best.
The truth is it is a business selling a product,just like any other business. The products they are selling is "governments and freedoms". There was no difference before Trump because most were selling government for personal power/profits. Now there is a man at the top who puts ego ahead of all else,even profits. His ego DEMANDS that history records his presidency as historically successful,and his ego is more important to him than all the money in the world.
This is driving the professional pols from both branches of the ruling party insane.
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Name THREE things anyone named Bush accomplished
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,339107.msg1838023.html#msg1838023 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,339107.msg1838023.html#msg1838023)
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http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,339107.msg1838023.html#msg1838023 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,339107.msg1838023.html#msg1838023)
@Suppressed
Ok,ya got nothing.
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@Suppressed
Ok,ya got nothing.
No, @sneakypete, I recognize that he eliminated the marriage penalty, cut taxes, prevented any further major terrorist attacks on the homeland after 9/11, etc. But I'm not letting you deflect.
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No, @sneakypete, I recognize that he eliminated the marriage penalty, cut taxes, prevented any further major terrorist attacks on the homeland after 9/11, etc.
@Suppressed
The HORRORS! No wonder you hate him!
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@musiclady
There is that style in them, yes. But imagine if the real Tammany had had the Twitterverse available to it. Them, the longtime Nassau County Republicans on Long Island (they sometimes made the Tammany Democrats look like the essence of a mannered cricket team), the Daley machine, Willie Brown's machine in California, the Prendergast machine in Kansas City (from whence Harry Truman sprang, for those who don't remember) . . .
Point well taken. Today the worst is well-mannered by those standards.
And yet, still unacceptable.
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The HORRORS! No wonder you hate him!
@sneakypete, I never said I hate W, even if I don't agree with much of what he did. At least he hasn't slapped a patina of mud onto the US like our current Oval Office occupant.
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So glad I don't have to be civil to you mother bleep anymore.
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No, @sneakypete, I recognize that he eliminated the marriage penalty, cut taxes, prevented any further major terrorist attacks on the homeland after 9/11, etc. But I'm not letting you deflect.
you rock @ suppressed. The man didn't do a bad job under the circumstances.
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you rock @ suppressed. The man didn't do a bad job under the circumstances.
@Suppressed
Boy Jorge sucked all the air right off the planet. SOB took Saudi money to invade Iraq,and we are STILL in the Muddle East because of that bastard.
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@Suppressed
Boy Jorge sucked all the air right off the planet. SOB took Saudi money to invade Iraq,and we are STILL in the Muddle East because of that bastard.
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/140114113712-military-pensions-disabled-veterans-620xa.jpg)
Started 2 wars he never had any intention of winning.
Helluva legacy, Jorge.
Seems to be some mental deficit/phony distraction/cover by Trump's detractors: Holding DJT's public persona up to Reagan's as proof he's an unpolished low life by comparison.
Ronald Reagan was a polished, professional Actor - plenty of Screen and Voice Over experience before he became President. Of Course he was Camera Conscious.
Donald Trump was and Is the great white shark of used car salesmen.
Two very different skill sets/public personas.