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Title: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: mystery-ak on March 26, 2023, 07:47:58 pm
THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
by Joe Hoft Mar. 26, 2023 8:15 am

The donors behind Ron DeSantis for President in 2024 are now asking him to sit this one out, according to recent reports.

(We heard this rumor last week that the big money behind DeSantis for 2024 were abandoning ship.)

According to CF:

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    Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s donors and supporters are beginning to question if the potential 2024 Republican presidential candidate should run in the next election cycle — a bid that would put him against former President Donald Trump — or wait until 2028, according to reports.

    According to a report from NBC News, donors and supporters of DeSantis are having second thoughts on the prospect of the governor’s potential presidential bid. Per the report, one main issue seems to be the governor’s ability to take Trump — who has been criticizing the governor for months — head on.

NBC reports:

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Ron DeSantis may be missing his moment.

A number of the Florida governor’s donors and allies are worried his recent stumbles suggest he may not be ready for a brutal fight against Donald Trump. Some feel DeSantis needs to accelerate his timeline to run for the GOP presidential nomination and begin directly confronting Trump if he’s to have any chance of thwarting the former president’s momentum. Others believe DeSantis should sidestep Trump altogether and wait until 2028 to run.

At a Sunday luncheon following the annual Red Cross ball in Palm Beach, Florida, a group of 16 prominent Republicans, described by one attendee as a mix of DeSantis backers and Trump “skeptics,” discussed misgivings about the governor’s standing for the future if he tussles with the former president.

“They liked him — many of them might even support him,” the person who was at the event said of DeSantis. “But they thought on balance that his long-term future was better without him trying to take Trump head on.”

“He will get scarred up” by Trump, the person added.

Then there’s conservative billionaire shipping goods magnate Richard Uihlein and his wife, Elizabeth, whose $500,000 in combined contributions ranked them among the most generous donors to DeSantis’ 2022 re-election campaign.

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/that-was-quick-desantis-donors-reportedly-recommending-desantis-sit-this-one-out/
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: LMAO on March 26, 2023, 07:53:14 pm
I agree with this

Might as well let Trump have the nomination, and then he’ll go on to lose the general

Then we’ll have to pick up the pieces in 2028. Either after Biden’s last term in office or president Newsom’s second term

Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Kamaji on March 26, 2023, 07:53:49 pm
Personally, I would prefer that he sit out 2024 so that Trump can flame out on his ownsome lonesome without taking down a potentially strong candidate like DeSantis, which is what will almost certainly happen if DeSantis runs in 2024.  Trump seems perfectly happy to take the entire GOP down with him if he can't have the nomination.

Don't get sucked into the Orange Shitshow.

Instead, those of us who care about the future of this country should be focusing on the House, the Senate, and state races, including most particularly races for Secretary of State - the office that typically controls the count in elections.

DeSantis, will only become more electable - or prove himself not up to the challenge - by honing his skills and his political capital in the Florida governorship.  He will get seriously damaged if he gets too close to the Trump flameout.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: catfish1957 on March 26, 2023, 07:54:03 pm
The despicable Stone-Pecker slime machine is already working in over drive.

They have no problem lying and splatting lies and innuendo at not only DeSantis, but probably anyone who dares support him.

Wish Roger Stone would catch a communicable disease from one of F*ggy friends.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: catfish1957 on March 26, 2023, 07:55:34 pm
I agree with this

Might as well let Trump have the nomination, and then he’ll go on to lose the general

Then we’ll have to pick up the pieces in 2028. Either after Biden’s last term in office or president Newsom’s second term

DeSantis has tanked in the polls for reasons I have just covered. Not sure I want to give up just yet.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: libertybele on March 26, 2023, 07:56:15 pm
Ok, well, DeSantis will remain our governor that's a plus.  But we'll have to suffer the consequences of another 4 years with Brandon or whomever the left inserts in the oval office. That scares the heck out of me.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: LMAO on March 26, 2023, 07:59:30 pm
Personally, I would prefer that he sit out 2024 so that Trump can flame out on his ownsome lonesome without taking down a potentially strong candidate like DeSantis, which is what will almost certainly happen if DeSantis runs in 2024.  Trump seems perfectly happy to take the entire GOP down with him if he can't have the nomination.

Don't get sucked into the Orange Shitshow.

Instead, those of us who care about the future of this country should be focusing on the House, the Senate, and state races, including most particularly races for Secretary of State - the office that typically controls the count in elections.

DeSantis, will only become more electable - or prove himself not up to the challenge - by honing his skills and his political capital in the Florida governorship.  He will get seriously damaged if he gets too close to the Trump flameout.

2024 could be like 2020 where, even though Trump lost the presidential election, Republicans did make gains that prevented 2020 from being a total blue wave

That’s why, even though we may not get the White House in 2024, I don’t see why we can’t win the Senate and even make gains in the House

No more Trump endorsed candidates, though
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Kamaji on March 26, 2023, 08:03:32 pm
2024 could be like 2020 where, even though Trump lost the presidential election, Republicans did make gains that prevented 2020 from being a total blue wave

That’s why, even though we may not get the White House in 2024, I don’t see why we can’t win the Senate and even make gains in the House

No more Trump endorsed candidates, though

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Free Vulcan on March 26, 2023, 08:05:15 pm
If true it could be a problem. No money, no campaign. But, DeSantis really has until the end of July IMO to announce for Prez. Till then he can engage Trump and snipe at the crap show to see if he gains traction as Trump fouls his nest.

I don't see Trump being able to win a general election. Four more years of Sniffy could do us in. We may need DeSantis to run to at least have a chance of stopping that.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: catfish1957 on March 26, 2023, 08:11:50 pm
If true it could be a problem. No money, no campaign. But, DeSantis really has until the end of July IMO to announce for Prez. Till then he can engage Trump and snipe at the crap show to see if he gains traction as Trump fouls his nest.

I don't see Trump being able to win a general election. Four more years of Sniffy could do us in. We may need DeSantis to run to at least have a chance of stopping that.

Good points, and I hope DeSantis and other good conservatives don't go within a 100 miles of the convention next year. Or at worst sit on their hands.   '28 strategy  needs to be focused on distancing  from this disaster.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: libertybele on March 26, 2023, 08:12:51 pm
If true it could be a problem. No money, no campaign. But, DeSantis really has until the end of July IMO to announce for Prez. Till then he can engage Trump and snipe at the crap show to see if he gains traction as Trump fouls his nest.

I don't see Trump being able to win a general election. Four more years of Sniffy could do us in. We may need DeSantis to run to at least have a chance of stopping that.

DeSantis' donors have spoken.  He would be foolish to continue on.  A conservative is knocked out even before he announces, yet Trump is surrounding himself with RINO's.  Perhaps the left wanted DeSantis gone and made a 'deal' with the unhinged orange one.

Trump IMO is finished.  I can't and won't vote for him; not in the primary not in the general.  I'll be voting down ballot.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: andy58-in-nh on March 26, 2023, 08:15:56 pm
The Trumpway Pundit is heard from.

Unverifiable NBC propaganda repeated by a Trump Cult organ is not news.

The Democrats, who are crazy but not stupid, fear DeSantis because he actually has a chance to win the four key states that Donald Trump has no chance at all of winning.

Largely because of California, the Electoral College is stacked heavily against any Republican.

Without electoral college victories in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin - all of them - no Republican can win, absent wins in Nevada and New Hampshire or else, Michigan, and good luck with that. Trump has no realistic chance in any of these states because too many of their likely voters will never vote for him, no matter how many of his acolytes adore him.   

Current political reality is ugly for traditional, conservative Americans right now. It will take a new and fresh face to have any chance, at all.

If Trump wins the nomination, I will vote for him. But he won't win the general election, because I am in the minority, and I refuse to kid myself any longer about that.   

And if Biden wins, America as we knew and loved her is over. No joke.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: libertybele on March 26, 2023, 08:18:01 pm
The Trumpway Pundit is heard from.

Unverifiable NBC propaganda repeated by a Trump Cult organ is not news.

The Democrats, who are crazy but not stupid, fear DeSantis because he actually has a chance to win the four key states that Donald Trump has no chance at all of winning.

Largely because of California, the Electoral College is stacked heavily against any Republican.

Without electoral college victories in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin - all of them - no Republican can win, absent wins in Nevada and New Hampshire or else, Michigan, and good luck with that. Trump has no realistic chance in any of these states because too many of their likely voters will never vote for him, no matter how many of his acolytes adore him.   

Current political reality is ugly for traditional, conservative Americans right now. It will take a new and fresh face to have any chance, at all.

If Trump wins the nomination, I will vote for him. But he won't win the general election, because I am in the minority, and I refuse to kid myself any longer about that.   

And if Biden wins, America as we knew and loved her is over. No joke.

IMO Trump made a deal with the left to take DeSantis out -- just like Cruz. 
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: catfish1957 on March 26, 2023, 08:18:13 pm
DeSantis' donors have spoken.  He would be foolish to continue on.  A conservative is knocked out even before he announces, yet Trump is surrounding himself with RINO's.  Perhaps the left wanted DeSantis gone and made a 'deal' with the unhinged orange one.

Trump IMO is finished.  I can't and won't vote for him; not in the primary not in the general.  I'll be voting down ballot.

What made Trump successfull in '16 , was he was able to pull this garbage off gradually....  One opponent at a time. 

He doubled down way too early this time, and will pay the price.   

Votng?  Same here.  I just can't see myself in good conscious voting for someone who  is a spend happy modern day FDR.  He calls other RINOS.   What irony....   he's he ultimate one.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: LMAO on March 26, 2023, 08:26:18 pm
What made Trump successfull in '16 , was he was able to pull this garbage off gradually....  One opponent at a time. 

He doubled down way too early this time, and will pay the price.   

Votng?  Same here.  I just can't see myself in good conscious voting for someone who  is a spend happy modern day FDR.  He calls other RINOS.   What irony....   he's he ultimate one.

Another thing that worked to Donald Trump’s favor in 2016 was it was an open seat versus running against an incumbent. Plus, he ran against Hillary Clinton, probably the most disliked person and politics. He and Hillary Clinton both were viewed very negatively by the electorate at large

The one thing that Donald Trump did have over Hillary Clinton was Hillary Clinton had a lifetime of corruption in politics. It would take a reincarnation for Donald Trump to match Hillary Clinton in that department.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: libertybele on March 26, 2023, 08:29:23 pm
Well at least the Trump v. DeSantis has come to an end.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 26, 2023, 08:29:49 pm
I agree with this

Might as well let Trump have the nomination, and then he’ll go on to lose the general

Then we’ll have to pick up the pieces in 2028. Either after Biden’s last term in office or president Newsom’s second term

The way I look at it, Trump deserves to be opposed with the best we've got.  The thought of him waltzing to the nomination would say something kind of sick about the GOP. 
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 26, 2023, 08:32:39 pm
DeSantis' donors have spoken.  He would be foolish to continue on. 

The Gateway Pundit is a terrible source.   I wouldn't trust them if they told me Christmas is on December 25.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: libertybele on March 26, 2023, 08:33:10 pm
The way I look at it, Trump deserves to be opposed with the best we've got.  The thought of him waltzing to the nomination would say something kind of sick about the GOP.

IMO the GOP died awhile ago and I have withdrawn from the Republican party.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: catfish1957 on March 26, 2023, 08:36:30 pm
The way I look at it, Trump deserves to be opposed with the best we've got.  The thought of him waltzing to the nomination would say something kind of sick about the GOP.

'16 primary was case study on a mafia political like hit job.  I got to hand to Trump and his team....  Their expertise in destroying a politcal opponent  is par to none.  My guess is no one including DeSantis wants to go through that.   Cruz is a good example.  After '16 he'll never be a credible POTUS candidate.  Even here in Texas, you'd be surprised how many MAGA(t)s still call Cruz Lyin' Ted.    You see the same at TOS, even 7 years later.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: LMAO on March 26, 2023, 08:48:27 pm
Assuming the story is true, and Trump does end up being the nominee, we would lose the advantage on the one big issue facing this country, and that’s inflation
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: libertybele on March 26, 2023, 08:51:20 pm
Assuming the story is true, and Trump does end up being the nominee, we would lose the advantage on the one big issue facing this country, and that’s inflation

Trump will likely be the nominee, but the won't win the general.

We're losing this Republic quickly and I'm back to the thought that there may not even be an election come '24.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: catfish1957 on March 26, 2023, 08:55:23 pm
Assuming the story is true, and Trump does end up being the nominee, we would lose the advantage on the one big issue facing this country, and that’s inflation

Just wonder if this is a planted Stone-Pecker Hit Piece.  The article does not cite even one single name, and blares generalites.

Which is pretty much the innuendo tactics of the S-P Slime machine.  Trump's henchmen in action.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: roamer_1 on March 26, 2023, 09:05:00 pm
What made Trump successfull in '16 , was he was able to pull this garbage off gradually....  One opponent at a time. 


No... No one cared when he was warping on Jeb! and the RINOs. It was when the Conservatives started getting knocked off that the comfort level  started going down...

Rubio was probably the tipping point... as some find him to have *some* conservative creds.

A whole lot of folks split the sheets when he did it to Cruz... Who is most decidedly on the hard right... Or was, at least.

That's eating your own.

Personally, I don't like any of it. If you can win on substance there is no reason to resort to talking smack... which is the only thing he knows how to do (talk smack, I mean).

It's a weird thing to me, because Northeast folks get an almost masturbatory pleasure out of that.

'He Fights', right?

But it's all hat and no cattle out here.

I think Cruz would have won the thing if he'd have walked up and dotted his eye after what Tumpy said about his dad and his woman. He'd have got sh*t stomped for that around here.

But that's on Cruz.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: roamer_1 on March 26, 2023, 09:08:30 pm
Assuming the story is true, and Trump does end up being the nominee, we would lose the advantage on the one big issue facing this country, and that’s inflation

It's bullcrap.
We're a YEAR away from the starting line.
I am just gonna have to turn the damn thing off if this keeps up.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Fishrrman on March 26, 2023, 10:15:40 pm
From the article above:
"Ron DeSantis may be missing his moment..."

Nope.
2024 IS NOT "his moment".

By sitting this out, Mr. DeSantis strengthens his position to run in 2028.
He should finish out his second term as governor (he's term limited anyway, right?), continuing to push Florida as "deep into the red" as he can. Try to make it "the reddest state" of 'em all.

And then when he leaves office in January 2027, he can immediately shift his energies into running for the presidency in 2028. With eight years of a proven record to back him up.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: LMAO on March 26, 2023, 10:18:51 pm
From the article above:
"Ron DeSantis may be missing his moment..."

Nope.
2024 IS NOT "his moment".

By sitting this out, Mr. DeSantis strengthens his position to run in 2028.
He should finish out his second term as governor (he's term limited anyway, right?), continuing to push Florida as "deep into the red" as he can. Try to make it "the reddest state" of 'em all.

And then when he leaves office in January 2027, he can immediately shift his energies into running for the presidency in 2028. With eight years of a proven record to back him up.

This is the position many of us have taken. I don’t see the country improving under Biden or any Democrat by 2028 so it’s best he wait till then
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: berdie on March 26, 2023, 11:50:46 pm
It's bullcrap.
We're a YEAR away from the starting line.
I am just gonna have to turn the damn thing off if this keeps up.


You and me both!! :laugh:
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 26, 2023, 11:54:43 pm
No worries.  As I type, Karl Rove is working furiously on a surprise reversal of polling trends.

Take this to the bank.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: massadvj on March 27, 2023, 12:13:43 am
There will be plenty of money for RDS if he decides to run. Between Karl Rove's organization, Club for Growth and the establishment GOP he can raise what he needs.  The question is whether DJT us beatable.  Until Trump starts polling above 50 percent consistently, I think he is.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Idiot on March 27, 2023, 01:45:24 am
DeSantis' donors have spoken.  He would be foolish to continue on.  A conservative is knocked out even before he announces, yet Trump is surrounding himself with RINO's.  Perhaps the left wanted DeSantis gone and made a 'deal' with the unhinged orange one.

Trump IMO is finished.  I can't and won't vote for him; not in the primary not in the general.  I'll be voting down ballot.
If DeSantis decides not to run...fine.  I WILL NOT VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP!
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: sneakypete on March 27, 2023, 02:14:15 am
I still think  that DeSantis should run as Trumps running mate. That way he would get 4 years to learn the ropes about being a President,and could hit the ground running for President as soon as that 4 years was up.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: dfwgator on March 27, 2023, 02:14:30 am
Expect them to move onto Haley.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: sneakypete on March 27, 2023, 02:17:44 am
Well at least the Trump v. DeSantis has come to an end.

@libertybele

MAYBE. It is not officially over yet. AFAIK,DeSantis hasn't been heard from yet.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: sneakypete on March 27, 2023, 02:21:09 am
'16 primary was case study on a mafia political like hit job.  I got to hand to Trump and his team....  Their expertise in destroying a politcal opponent  is par to none.  My guess is no one including DeSantis wants to go through that.   Cruz is a good example.  After '16 he'll never be a credible POTUS candidate.  Even here in Texas, you'd be surprised how many MAGA(t)s still call Cruz Lyin' Ted.    You see the same at TOS, even 7 years later.

@catfish1957

A good example of what,that a closeted homo can't get elected President yet?
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Sighlass on March 27, 2023, 02:38:24 am
Looks to me like the spin machines are running full speed to assure Biden the easier candidate...

Quote
(We heard this rumor last week that the big money behind DeSantis for 2024 were abandoning ship.)

Rumor from NBC...
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Sighlass on March 27, 2023, 02:45:53 am
@catfish1957

A good example of what,that a closeted homo can't get elected President yet?

Cruz wasn't waving the gay flag and recently praising gays a few weeks ago at the Log Cabin meeting. You can guess who did.

(https://i.postimg.cc/hGT6TSkN/2023-03-26-21-44-22-0c445670deec69509dfbe7a6e1c9530e-jpg-1165-655-Brave.jpg)
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 27, 2023, 03:35:18 am
From the article above:
"Ron DeSantis may be missing his moment..."

Nope.
2024 IS NOT "his moment".

By sitting this out, Mr. DeSantis strengthens his position to run in 2028.

How so?  Trump says that DeSantis is a GOPe RINO wholly owned by globalists, and perhaps a pedophile as well.  According to Trump, DeSantis is not even a good governor, and would actually be bad for the country.  And if that is what Trump is telling his supporters, those folks aren't going to vote for DeSantis in 2028 anyway.  They hate the guy now for those (alleged) reasons, and it would be the same in 2028.

At least if DeSantis runs now, he'll be the consensus "not-Trump" in the race.  In 2028, all those Trumpers would be against him anyway and there'd be a bunch of other candidates he'd have to beat.  Might as well strike while the iron is hot, and he could always run again in 2028 if he loses.  Remember Reagan lost in 1976, but came back in 1980 and won.  No reason DeSantis can't run in 2024, and if he loses, again in 2028.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: sneakypete on March 27, 2023, 05:30:08 am
Cruz wasn't waving the gay flag and recently praising gays a few weeks ago at the Log Cabin meeting. You can guess who did.

(https://i.postimg.cc/hGT6TSkN/2023-03-26-21-44-22-0c445670deec69509dfbe7a6e1c9530e-jpg-1165-655-Brave.jpg)

@Sighlass l

Big freaking deal.



Or are you one of those people who  think homosexuals don't deserve the same rights as hetrosexuals in America?
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: LMAO on March 27, 2023, 10:10:24 am
@Sighlass l

Big freaking deal.



Or are you one of those people who  think homosexuals don't deserve the same rights as hetrosexuals in America?

Lol

You’re the one that made the claim that Ted Cruz, with no evidence whatsoever, was a closeted homosexual that couldn’t get elected president as a result

Seriously, do you ever read your own posts?

Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: kevindavis007 on March 27, 2023, 12:09:25 pm
How so?  Trump says that DeSantis is a OPe RINO wholly owned by globalists, and perhaps a pedophile as well.  According to Trump, DeSantis is not even a good governor, and would actually be bad for the country.  And if that is what Trump is telling his supporters, those folks aren't going to vote for DeSantis in 2028 anyway.  They hate the guy now for those (alleged) reasons, and it would be the same in 2028.

At least if DeSantis runs now, he'll be the consensus "not-Trump" in the race.  In 2028, all those Trumpers would be against him anyway and there'd be a bunch of other candidates he'd have to beat.  Might as well strike while the iron is hot, and he could always run again in 2028 if he loses.  Remember Reagan lost in 1976, but came back in 1980 and won.  No reason DeSantis can't run in 2024, and if he loses, again in 2028.




Just a reminder this isn't Trumps party.  If so then I want no part of it.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: catfish1957 on March 27, 2023, 12:30:16 pm
@Sighlass l

Big freaking deal.



Or are you one of those people who  think homosexuals don't deserve the same rights as hetrosexuals in America?

Big damned difference in rights and exposing us to their lifestyle 24/7 in the media like they are the normal main stream.

And you damned know it.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Idiot on March 27, 2023, 01:28:26 pm
Cruz wasn't waving the gay flag and recently praising gays a few weeks ago at the Log Cabin meeting. You can guess who did.

(https://i.postimg.cc/hGT6TSkN/2023-03-26-21-44-22-0c445670deec69509dfbe7a6e1c9530e-jpg-1165-655-Brave.jpg)
He makes us all so proud every time he opens his mouth.   *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: DCPatriot on March 27, 2023, 02:41:09 pm
Man oh man....you guys and your Trump hatred back out in the open.

Its comical, really.  A belly laugh!  Like the past never even happened.

For 4 years, you've tucked your tails and hid.  Why? 

Hilarious!
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on March 27, 2023, 03:14:22 pm
So, the donors dictate what GOP party members are to do?  I think not.  I am not the donors' hired help.  They can get Mitch McConnell to shovel their horse stables.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: catfish1957 on March 27, 2023, 03:16:59 pm
Man oh man....you guys and your Trump hatred back out in the open.

Its comical, really.  A belly laugh!  Like the past never even happened.

For 4 years, you've tucked your tails and hid.  Why? 

Hilarious!

Nope....

I bitched about Trump's deficit spending the whole time.  Now he's on the campaign stump selling his idea of beautiful new Trump cities built on Federal lands, and based on my economic knowldege this might put another $10T expense on to the deficit.

So, just how is this guy not more like FDR than Reagan?  Don't we taxpayers need and deserve some fiscal repsonsibility for a change?

No hatred. Just tell the guy to retire.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: massadvj on March 27, 2023, 03:22:34 pm
This will put a nail in Ron DeSantis coffin very quickly if he fails to respond decisively. Expect more and more attacks suggesting the Bushes are behind RDS. This will kill him very quickly. RDS walking back his Ukraine comments led me to believe someone (Karl Rove?) was whispering in his ear that he should position himself as more in support of Ukraine.  Big mistake. That war will be extremely unpopular by the time November 2024 rolls around.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/03/26/mark_simone_the_bushes_are_running_ron_desantis_campaign_karl_rove_will_be_the_coach_on_the_field.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/03/26/mark_simone_the_bushes_are_running_ron_desantis_campaign_karl_rove_will_be_the_coach_on_the_field.html)
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: catfish1957 on March 27, 2023, 03:28:15 pm
This will put a nail in Ron DeSantis coffin very quickly if he fails to respond quickly and decisively. Expect more and more attacks suggesting the Bushes are behind RDS. This will kill him very quickly. RDS walking back his Ukraine comments led me to believe someone (Karl Rove?) was whispering in his ear that he should position himself as more in support of Ukraine.  Big mistake. That war will be extremely unpopular by the time November 2024 rolls around.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/03/26/mark_simone_the_bushes_are_running_ron_desantis_campaign_karl_rove_will_be_the_coach_on_the_field.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/03/26/mark_simone_the_bushes_are_running_ron_desantis_campaign_karl_rove_will_be_the_coach_on_the_field.html)

Adding Bush and Company to the equation is a strategic blunder of epic proportions.  I thought RDS had more political savy than that.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: libertybele on March 27, 2023, 03:43:29 pm
 9999hair out0000 888mouth :thud:
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 27, 2023, 05:09:45 pm
This will put a nail in Ron DeSantis coffin very quickly if he fails to respond decisively. Expect more and more attacks suggesting the Bushes are behind RDS. This will kill him very quickly. RDS walking back his Ukraine comments led me to believe someone (Karl Rove?) was whispering in his ear that he should position himself as more in support of Ukraine.  Big mistake. That war will be extremely unpopular by the time November 2024 rolls around.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/03/26/mark_simone_the_bushes_are_running_ron_desantis_campaign_karl_rove_will_be_the_coach_on_the_field.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/03/26/mark_simone_the_bushes_are_running_ron_desantis_campaign_karl_rove_will_be_the_coach_on_the_field.html)

Just because the Bushes prefer DeSantis to Trump doesn't make DeSantis a globalist, any more than us backing Stalin over Hitler made us communists.

Trump and DeSantis could have identical views on policy, and many people still would choose to support DeSantis because of the personality and character issues.

Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 27, 2023, 05:16:05 pm
  That war will be extremely unpopular by the time November 2024 rolls around.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/03/26/mark_simone_the_bushes_are_running_ron_desantis_campaign_karl_rove_will_be_the_coach_on_the_field.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/03/26/mark_simone_the_bushes_are_running_ron_desantis_campaign_karl_rove_will_be_the_coach_on_the_field.html)

Unless it is over by then and has ended in a strategic defeat for Russian.  Which is entirely possible.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on March 27, 2023, 05:30:37 pm
The Bush '43 administration is responsible for the fracturing of the Republican coaltion that exists today.

Any Bush stank will be toxic for DeSantis' reputation as a conservative outsider and maverick.

- Bush '43 alienated the Small Government conservatives to introduce Social Security, Part D, for prescriptions ... without allowing the purchaser (American taxpayer) to negotiate prices.

- Bush '43 alienated fiscal conservatives by growing the size of Government and the Debt.

- Bush '43 alienated Constitutional conservatives by lying to circumvent a Congressional Declaration of War for their war of foreign advendture in Iraq.

- Bush '43 alienated America First conservatives by spending trillions to nation build in Afghanistan and Iraq.

- Bush '43 alienated Adam Smith Capitalism conservatives by socializing Big Bank losses without any banksters being held civilly and criminally accountable.

- Bush '43 alienated Educational conservatives by passing the No-Child-Left-Behind Act.

- Bush '43 are responsible for driving conservatives to the Tea Party, and subsequently to the Freedom Caucus.

- Bush '43 alienated Immigration conservatives by not securing the Southern Boundary of the US.

(https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/M2kwmxrNn8fp22rieCfo6S8RmSo=/28x15:2022x1137/976x549/media/img/mt/2018/04/RTRS0M7/original.jpg)

... and, no, Browny did not do a good job after Hurricane Katrina ... just like Bush '41 let Florida languish after Hurricane Andrew.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Free Vulcan on March 27, 2023, 05:51:12 pm
RDS is going to need a legit opening to compete against Trump. He started to get that a few months back when Trump was seriously stumbling with he comments and news coverage.

Now with Not-So-Little Alvin trying to persecute prosecute Trump sympathy has swung to the Trump side even if the same kind of dumb antics keep happening. The Rats trying so hard to keep Trump off the ballot with continual attacks might kill any shot that RDS has to gain traction.

And that might be what the opposition wants, because they feel Trump is beatable a second time.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on March 27, 2023, 05:59:19 pm
DeSantis has to go through, around, over, and under Trump to prove to the base that DeSantis is ready to be the GOP Nominee.

For too long, Dem elites and GOP elites have had an aversion to doing the hard work necessary to cultivate grass roots organizations to produce better candidates and to turn out votes in areas where they are the minority party.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 27, 2023, 06:27:09 pm
"I miss the old Ron" (Video)

https://mobile.twitter.com/mattgaetz/status/1640398576365846535
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: massadvj on March 27, 2023, 07:24:59 pm
Just because the Bushes prefer DeSantis to Trump doesn't make DeSantis a globalist, any more than us backing Stalin over Hitler made us communists.

Trump and DeSantis could have identical views on policy, and many people still would choose to support DeSantis because of the personality and character issues.

I agree this is DeSantis best strategy. I am Trump without the drama. The more he is embraced by neocons, the harder it will be to pull off the balancing act. Most of his money will come from deep state  interests.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 27, 2023, 07:28:15 pm
DeSantis has to go through, around, over, and under Trump to prove to the base that DeSantis is ready to be the GOP Nominee.

For too long, Dem elites and GOP elites have had an aversion to doing the hard work necessary to cultivate grass roots organizations to produce better candidates and to turn out votes in areas where they are the minority party.

Those of us who don't support Trump are just as much grassroots as are those who do.

I think DeSantis should play the age card at some point as well.   I really don't think the American people in general prefer another 80+ year old in the White House.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Kamaji on March 27, 2023, 07:35:02 pm
Those of us who don't support Trump are just as much grassroots as are those who do.

I think DeSantis should play the age card at some point as well.   I really don't think the American people in general prefer another 80+ year old in the White House.


:thumbsup:
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: roamer_1 on March 27, 2023, 08:33:06 pm
Man oh man....you guys and your Trump hatred back out in the open.

Its comical, really.  A belly laugh!  Like the past never even happened.

For 4 years, you've tucked your tails and hid.  Why? 

Hilarious!

Who hid, @DCPatriot ?
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: DCPatriot on March 27, 2023, 08:36:52 pm
Who hid, @DCPatriot ?

LOL!  @roamer_1   Certainly, not you!

Not @catfish1957 either.

But they're coming outta the workwork...like the cowardly roaches they are!    :laugh:
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: roamer_1 on March 27, 2023, 08:37:22 pm
This will put a nail in Ron DeSantis coffin very quickly if he fails to respond decisively. Expect more and more attacks suggesting the Bushes are behind RDS. This will kill him very quickly. RDS walking back his Ukraine comments led me to believe someone (Karl Rove?) was whispering in his ear that he should position himself as more in support of Ukraine.  Big mistake. That war will be extremely unpopular by the time November 2024 rolls around.


I don't think he walked back anything on Ukraine.
Clarified, perhaps. His position is much like mine.
It is criminal.
It is unfortunate.
It is sad...

But it ain't our business.
Foreign entanglements and all that..
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: roamer_1 on March 27, 2023, 08:47:23 pm
LOL!  @roamer_1   Certainly, not you!

Not @catfish1957 either.

But they're coming outta the workwork...like the cowardly roaches they are!    :laugh:

I don't see that... You must not have been paying attention. Folks getting a belly full of Tump has been happening all along. I don't see many that I didn't know were against him from a while back.

But I expect many more will jump off the bandwagon as Tumpy reminds them of what an a****** he is.
Which he is doing in spades.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: massadvj on March 27, 2023, 09:13:31 pm
I don't think he walked back anything on Ukraine.
Clarified, perhaps. His position is much like mine.
It is criminal.
It is unfortunate.
It is sad...

But it ain't our business.
Foreign entanglements and all that..

Personally, I don't think he walked it back, either.  But he created the perception that he walked it back, and in politics perception is everything. Why did he find it necessary to say anything more at all? I will tell you why. Because the neocons were put off by his original comments, and so he had to soften them somewhat.  Even if RDS is NOT a puppet of the Bushes -- I seriously doubt he is -- if the perception is there, then he is toast. And Trump can do a lot to advance that narrative.



Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Sighlass on March 27, 2023, 09:15:15 pm
@Sighlass
Big freaking deal.

Or are you one of those people who  think homosexuals don't deserve the same rights as hetrosexuals in America?

No, I don't think homosexuals should have extra made-up new rights, set up as special and given preferential treatment.  You know that, we have discussed it a few times already. Whenever the subject comes up you usually throw out that same excuse (kinda like Rude Orange Rich Man). It isn't "same rights", it is new exceptions for perversion and we all have seen the slippery slope it has caused.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Idiot on March 27, 2023, 09:59:27 pm
LOL!  @roamer_1   Certainly, not you!

Not @catfish1957 either.

But they're coming outta the workwork...like the cowardly roaches they are!    :laugh:
Not really.  I think people are just sick of Trump....me being one.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: roamer_1 on March 27, 2023, 10:26:57 pm
Personally, I don't think he walked it back, either.  But he created the perception that he walked it back, and in politics perception is everything. Why did he find it necessary to say anything more at all? I will tell you why. Because the neocons were put off by his original comments, and so he had to soften them somewhat.  Even if RDS is NOT a puppet of the Bushes -- I seriously doubt he is -- if the perception is there, then he is toast. And Trump can do a lot to advance that narrative.

I get that. And it's good thinking...  :beer:
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: roamer_1 on March 27, 2023, 10:30:05 pm
Not really.  I think people are just sick of Trump....me being one.

Sure Tater.. But I would not consider your position new anymore - Not with you anyway... You had enough a while back... months, at least.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Fishrrman on March 27, 2023, 10:39:08 pm
Victor wrote:
"Expect more and more attacks suggesting the Bushes are behind RDS."

Hmmm...
Given that Mr. DeSantis is the ONLY possible challenger to Mr. Trump with a chance of winning the nomination, I'd reckon that the assumption that the Bushes would line up on his side to be a pretty good guess...
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: massadvj on March 27, 2023, 10:53:59 pm
Victor wrote:
"Expect more and more attacks suggesting the Bushes are behind RDS."

Hmmm...
Given that Mr. DeSantis is the ONLY possible challenger to Mr. Trump with a chance of winning the nomination, I'd reckon that the assumption that the Bushes would line up on his side to be a pretty good guess...

RDS will get help from ALL quarters within the GOP that oppose Trump.  That is a fairly large group, but not a majority within the party. To get to more than 50 percent, he will have to peel off some Trump support. To do that, he has to distance himself from the likes of the Bushes and be seen as basically Trump without the age and drama.  That will be a hard sell if all of his money is coming from globalist neocons.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: roamer_1 on March 27, 2023, 10:58:18 pm
RDS will get help from ALL quarters within the GOP that oppose Trump.  That is a fairly large group, but not a majority within the party. To get to more than 50 percent, he will have to peel off some Trump support. To do that, he has to distance himself from the likes of the Bushes and be seen as basically Trump without the age and drama.  That will be a hard sell if all of his money is coming from globalist neocons.

Nah. He's NOT Tump. He's TEA Party. If he stays in that, Katie bar the door.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: sneakypete on March 27, 2023, 11:00:40 pm
Lol

You’re the one that made the claim that Ted Cruz, with no evidence whatsoever, was a closeted homosexual that couldn’t get elected president as a result

Seriously, do you ever read your own posts?

@LMAO

Logic ain't your strong point,is it?

BTW,correct me if I  am wrong,but doesn't Cruz share a condo with  a male "friend"?
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: sneakypete on March 27, 2023, 11:02:29 pm
Big damned difference in rights and exposing us to their lifestyle 24/7 in the media like they are the normal main stream.

And you damned know it.

@catfish1957

Yes,I do.

You can't blame them for wanting  to be accepted,but that does NOT mean we HAVE to accept their lifestyles.

Nobody  gets everything they want.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Wingnut on March 27, 2023, 11:32:14 pm
Sure Tater.. But I would not consider your position new anymore - Not with you anyway... You had enough a while back... months, at least.
Some lead. Some follow. Some never change from the Train wreck
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 27, 2023, 11:43:22 pm
@LMAO
BTW,correct me if I  am wrong,but doesn't Cruz share a condo with  a male "friend"?

@sneakypete

Seriously?  Isn't this kind of beneath you?
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Idiot on March 27, 2023, 11:57:38 pm
@sneakypete

Seriously?  Isn't this kind of beneath you?
@Maj. Bill Martin that would be a NO. happy77
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: corbe on March 28, 2023, 12:00:27 am
   Some very brilliant insight on this Thread, so far.   44444heart

   * Forgot to add:  Don Jr. leaked this to the Trumpwaypundit to begin with, as another way to sabotage DeSantis.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2023, 12:02:12 am
This will put a nail in Ron DeSantis coffin very quickly if he fails to respond decisively. Expect more and more attacks suggesting the Bushes are behind RDS. This will kill him very quickly. RDS walking back his Ukraine comments led me to believe someone (Karl Rove?) was whispering in his ear that he should position himself as more in support of Ukraine.  Big mistake. That war will be extremely unpopular by the time November 2024 rolls around

It's more than a "suggestion" that Bush/Rove/Ryan are behind the DeSantis campaign ----- it's his neocon, globalist alliances and voting record in Congress ----- conveniently left out of his new hagiography now in bookstores.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Idiot on March 28, 2023, 12:08:23 am
It's more than a "suggestion" that Bush/Rove/Ryan are behind the DeSantis campaign ----- it's his neocon, globalist alliances and voting record in Congress ----- conveniently left out of his new hagiography now in bookstores.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2023, 12:09:19 am
To do that, he has to distance himself from the likes of the Bushes and be seen as basically Trump without the age and drama.  That will be a hard sell if all of his money is coming from globalist neocons.

It will also be difficult for DeSantis to sell this after doing such a beautiful job explaining the drama:

"I miss the old Ron" (Video)

https://mobile.twitter.com/mattgaetz/status/1640398576365846535


@massadvj





Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Kamaji on March 28, 2023, 12:09:35 am
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

Bearing false witness in the service of the almighty Trump is all she knows how to do. 
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2023, 12:10:40 am
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

Agree.  And this is one of the fundamental reasons I do not like or trust Ron DeSantis.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2023, 12:13:25 am
Bearing false witness in the service of the almighty Trump is all she knows how to do.

Your ignorance and fantasy-drive worldview are showing, yet again.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Wingnut on March 28, 2023, 12:16:27 am
Bearing false witness in the service of the almighty Trump is all she knows how to do.

Trump says hump, she says how high up the leg.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: LMAO on March 28, 2023, 12:27:17 am
Bearing false witness in the service of the almighty Trump is all she knows how to do.

He who lives in glass houses shall not throw stones

https://americanindependent.com/karl-rove-donald-trump-campaign-adviser-iraq-war-george-bush-twitter/amp/
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: LMAO on March 28, 2023, 12:28:32 am
@LMAO

Logic ain't your strong point,is it?



What does logic have to do with calling you out on an unfounded claim you made?
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: GtHawk on March 28, 2023, 12:40:30 am
LOL!  @roamer_1   Certainly, not you!

Not @catfish1957 either.

But they're coming outta the workwork...like the cowardly roaches they are!    :laugh:
@DCPatriot Not I either. I have always supported Trump when he was right and always pointed out when I thought he was blowing chunks. The problem I have with Trump is that I am really tired of the juvenile antics like name calling and telling flat out lies about other conservatives like he did with Cruz and is now doing with DeSantis. I am so tired of it that I am not sure I can hold my nose and vote for him a third time, but hey that's OK right because Trumps most ardent supporters on the board have said that that's what they will do if DeSantis is the nominee(might be tough since so far he isn't running) and then there are his ideas like Freedom Cities **nononono*
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: libertybele on March 28, 2023, 12:42:22 am
Agree.  And this is one of the fundamental reasons I do not like or trust Ron DeSantis.

??? When you have proof to substantiate your assumptions and accusations, please post. 

One of the fundamental reasons that I do not trust Trump is because he backpedals, he selects RINO's and right now he has completely bad mouthed and trashed a very good conservative governor without provocation.  It's merely that he's threatened and jealous.  The conservative movement needs conservatives; not someone who sides with RINO's and attacks conservatives.

Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: GtHawk on March 28, 2023, 12:48:30 am
Agree.  And this is one of the fundamental reasons I do not like or trust Ron DeSantis.
Sweet Jesus, by your own logic you should severely dislike and mistrust the KING of lies and mud slinging....Trump!
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: ScottinVA on March 28, 2023, 12:54:58 am
It's more than a "suggestion" that Bush/Rove/Ryan are behind the DeSantis campaign ----- it's his neocon, globalist alliances and voting record in Congress ----- conveniently left out of his new hagiography now in bookstores.

“Neocon” voting record?  Do explain, with examples.  And if he had such a spotty voting record, why did Trump endorse him in 2018?
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: ScottinVA on March 28, 2023, 12:57:29 am
Agree.  And this is one of the fundamental reasons I do not like or trust Ron DeSantis.

Yet you excuse Trump, one of the most prolific liars ever to hold the position of President.  Interesting.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: ScottinVA on March 28, 2023, 12:59:47 am
Perhaps if Trump slithers his way to the GOP nomination, DeSantis could consider a third-party option.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: LMAO on March 28, 2023, 01:00:01 am
“Neocon” voting record?  Do explain, with examples.  And if he had such a spotty voting record, why did Trump endorse him in 2018?

Here's his record

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/137630/ron-desantis/?p=10
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: ScottinVA on March 28, 2023, 01:03:58 am
Here's his record

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/137630/ron-desantis/?p=10

Trump could only wish to have such a solid record.  Quite a few vetoes out there from Gov. DeSantis!
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: LMAO on March 28, 2023, 01:04:55 am
Trump could only wish to have such a solid record.  Quite a few vetoes out there from Gov. DeSantis!

https://heritageaction.com/scorecard/members/D000621/
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: sneakypete on March 28, 2023, 01:16:36 am
@sneakypete

Seriously?  Isn't this kind of beneath you?

@Maj. Bill Martin

HOW is noting reported facts "beneath" anyone?
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: ScottinVA on March 28, 2023, 01:17:30 am
https://heritageaction.com/scorecard/members/D000621/

I like that first entry about DeSantis voting down amnesty for the “dreamers” in 2018, remembering Trump offered amnesty to the dems in exchange for their support of the border wall.  Apparently Trump was unaware of the dems’ treachery as a result of the Simpson-Mazzoli Act of 1986.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: sneakypete on March 28, 2023, 01:18:19 am
@Maj. Bill Martin that would be a NO. happy77

@mrpotatohead

That's it,blame the reporter when you read something you don't like.

Will this make you like and support Cruz less? Since it seems to make you angry,my  guess is "Yes,it will."
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: ScottinVA on March 28, 2023, 01:41:06 am
So, pro-Trumpers… while you rail on about imaginary RINO Congressional votes by DeSantis, perhaps you’re willing to step up and defend Trump’s desire to ban AR-15s:

https://www.emilypostnews.com/p/donald-trump-i-dont-know-why-anyone


Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2023, 01:47:19 am
So, pro-Trumpers… while you rail on about imaginary RINO Congressional votes by DeSantis, perhaps you’re willing to step up and defend Trump’s desire to ban AR-15s:

You first:. Defend Gov DeSantis refusing to repeal red flag laws in "the free state of Florida" because "they work".
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: ScottinVA on March 28, 2023, 01:49:26 am
You first:. Defend Gov DeSantis refusing to repeal red flag laws in "the free state of Florida" because "they work".

The same red flag laws Trump supported throughout his administration?

Here’s what DeSantis’ position is on the matter.  Typically, the government isn't policing or holding people accountable just for speech," he said. "It requires incitement, or to be a threat."

You do understand the word “threat,” do you not?  If someone threatened you or yours would you not want their ability to cap you in your sleep minimized?

On the 2nd Amendment as a whole, DeSantis wins, hands-down. 
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/558269-nra-updates-grades-endorsements-for-2022/

Now… back to the subject at hand.  I called you out.  Defend Trump’s support for an AR-15 ban.  We’ll wait.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2023, 02:25:03 am
Alex is right, DeSantis IS weak .....but in this case it's because he followed the instructions of his Bush league handlers.......

Alex Bruesewitz
@alexbruesewitz

Ron DeSantis said he would get open carry passed. He failed. Republicans have complete power in Tallahassee and DeSantis couldn’t get it done. You think this guy could get something done in Washington DC or negotiating with Xi? Not a chance. He’s weak as hell!

2:09 PM · Mar 27, 2023
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: roamer_1 on March 28, 2023, 02:29:17 am
Here's his record

He sure ain't shy with the veto pen...  888high58888
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: ScottinVA on March 28, 2023, 02:36:17 am
Alex is right, DeSantis IS weak .....but in this case it's because he followed the instructions of his Bush league handlers.......

Alex Bruesewitz
@alexbruesewitz

Ron DeSantis said he would get open carry passed. He failed. Republicans have complete power in Tallahassee and DeSantis couldn’t get it done. You think this guy could get something done in Washington DC or negotiating with Xi? Not a chance. He’s weak as hell!

2:09 PM · Mar 27, 2023

Read that assessment by the NRA… DeSantis is at A+.

As for passage of open carry, you’re actually blaming DeSantis because some in the legislature went wobbly?  Are you similarly going to blame Trump for failure to complete the border wall because Congress wouldn’t move on it?  C’mon… try harder.

Enough dodging on my original challenge.  Let’s hear that explanation re Trump’s backing of a ban on AR-15s…. Or are you meekly surrendering that argument?
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: LMAO on March 28, 2023, 02:38:59 am
He sure ain't shy with the veto pen...  888high58888

Nope

And it would be nice to see that VETO pen more often in the future. Mainly out of necessity
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2023, 02:42:56 am
Read that assessment by the NRA… DeSantis is at A+.

I don't need to read an assessment when I can watch what he does.  He has not used his super majority in the statehouse to advance gun rights or their protection.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: roamer_1 on March 28, 2023, 02:46:25 am
Nope

And it would be nice to see that VETO pen more often in the future. Mainly out of necessity

That's right! He fights!  happy77
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: ScottinVA on March 28, 2023, 02:49:06 am
I don't need to read an assessment when I can watch what he does.  He has not used his super majority in the statehouse to advance gun rights or their protection.

So, DeSantis is to blame for the votes of others?  You have absolutely no clue how weak your argument is.  Also… I accept your unconditional surrender on Trump’s position on AR-15s.  Your dodging said it all.

Good night.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 28, 2023, 02:50:11 am
@Maj. Bill Martin

HOW is noting reported facts "beneath" anyone?

@sneakypete

Because of the nasty insinuation that you're making.  You had male roommates, right? In fact, a barracks full of handsome, virle fellow soldiers?  Did you guys grease each other up each evening and have a good time?  Or do you think it would be disgusting and beneath a decent person to make that insinuation?

Cruz is not a hugely wealthy guy, and his family stays in Texas. He needs to have a place to live in DC when he's not at home, so what else is he supposed to do?  Would it be better if he, a married father of two, shared an apartment with a female?  Or if he had a solo apartment, he could be more subject to allegations of using it for trysts with other women. Having a male roommate is the safest and most moral course of action when he is living in DC.  Not to mention saving him half the cost, which is money that his family could use.

I like and respect you, which is why I thought this insinuation was beneath you.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Sighlass on March 28, 2023, 04:06:35 am
@sneakypete

Because of the nasty insinuation that you're making.  You had male roommates, right? In fact, a barracks full of handsome, virle fellow soldiers?  Did you guys grease each other up each evening and have a good time?  Or do you think it would be disgusting and beneath a decent person to make that insinuation?

Cruz is not a hugely wealthy guy, and his family stays in Texas. He needs to have a place to live in DC when he's not at home, so what else is he supposed to do?  Would it be better if he, a married father of two, shared an apartment with a female?  Or if he had a solo apartment, he could be more subject to allegations of using it for trysts with other women. Having a male roommate is the safest and most moral course of action when he is living in DC.  Not to mention saving him half the cost, which is money that his family could use.

I like him respect you, which is why I thought this insinuation was beneath you.

Well replied.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 28, 2023, 04:11:49 am
Doesn't sound to me like DeSantis' backers are backing down one bit....

Quote
Pro-DeSantis super PAC hires another former Trump aide

A super PAC aligned with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) is adding another former Trump campaign aide to its ranks.

Matt Wolking, who served as deputy communications director for Trump’s last presidential bid, announced on Monday that he would join the super PAC Never Back Down as its strategic communications director.

Wolking headed up former President Trump’s rapid response operation in 2020 before serving as communications director for Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin’s (R) successful campaign in 2021. He most recently worked at the GOP consulting firm Axiom Strategies as vice president of communications.

Jeff Roe, the founder and CEO of Axiom Strategies, recently joined Never Back Down as an adviser.

In a pair of tweets on Monday, Wolking said that, while former President Trump was the right person for the job eight years ago, Republicans now need “a disciplined leader who wins instead of loses, never backs down, fights smart, and puts the mission before himself.”

“On each count, Governor Ron DeSantis is the strongest choice,” Wolking tweeted, adding in a second post: “Governor DeSantis is bold, effective, and knows how to finish the job, so with him as president we will finally be able to win so much that we’ll be tired of all the winning.”

“I’m proud to support him and join @NvrBackDown24 as strategic communications director.”

Wolking is the latest former Trump aide to get on board with the effort to recruit DeSantis into the 2024 presidential race. Last week, Erin Perrine, who served as director of press communications for Trump’s 2020 campaign, joined the super PAC as communications director.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3920478-pro-desantis-super-pac-hires-another-former-trump-aide/

Those positions generally are contracted for a minimum period of time.  Doesn't make sense to be doing this if backers truly are urging him not to run.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: art.prout on March 28, 2023, 09:16:11 am
Doesn't sound to me like DeSantis' backers are backing down one bit....

Those positions generally are contracted for a minimum period of time.  Doesn't make sense to be doing this if backers truly are urging him not to run.

I have no idea if the big dollar donors of RDS (which are roughly 90% of all of his donations) are still backing him or not (since almost every article out there is pure propaganda from one 'side' or another), but these moves mean absolutely nothing as these people are whores for the most part, they will go wherever the best (or only in most cases!) paycheck is being offered.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2023, 11:59:55 am
??? When you have proof to substantiate your assumptions and accusations, please post. 

Here's a friendly suggestion to make things easier for you @libertybele ------  keep up or control your knee jerks.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2023, 12:01:59 pm
Sweet Jesus, by your own logic you should severely dislike and mistrust the KING of lies and mud slinging....Trump!

How about you tell us where I'm wrong about DeSantis?
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2023, 12:07:47 pm
Doesn't sound to me like DeSantis' backers are backing down one bit....

Those positions generally are contracted for a minimum period of time.  Doesn't make sense to be doing this if backers truly are urging him not to run.

Wow, impressive.  The guy's last stint at full time employment ended in 2020.  Quite a coup for the DeSantis Pac.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2023, 12:17:57 pm
So, pro-Trumpers… while you rail on about imaginary RINO Congressional votes by DeSantis, perhaps you’re willing to step up and defend Trump’s desire to ban AR-15s:

The repetitive sight of dead school children has caused every rational human adult to question this.  It's an intuitive desire to keep kids alive.

Judge Trump by the action he did not take.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: LMAO on March 28, 2023, 12:30:25 pm
That's right! He fights!  happy77

But we have to keep in mind that he has a solid GOP statehouse in Fla. to make his job easier

I look mostly at his Congressional record and he’s far superior on the spending issue than Trump. Would that philosophy follow him should he become POTUS? I don’t know. But not only is Trump’s record on spending horrific, but he’s promising even more
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: roamer_1 on March 28, 2023, 04:24:26 pm
But we have to keep in mind that he has a solid GOP statehouse in Fla. to make his job easier


That's the point. Even with both houses, presumably favorable to them, and them to him... his veto pen is getting hot.  :laugh:

Quote
I look mostly at his Congressional record and he’s far superior on the spending issue than Trump. Would that philosophy follow him should he become POTUS? I don’t know. But not only is Trump’s record on spending horrific, but he’s promising even more

I have a DeSantis framework identified, but I won't deep dive into anyone until the field is arrayed and ready to go. Way too early to care right now.

But I know of DeSantis from Congress forward, and that along with a cursory glance satisfies me that I would back him to the 9s if he runs.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 28, 2023, 04:28:22 pm
But we have to keep in mind that he has a solid GOP statehouse in Fla. to make his job easier.

Although it is worth noting that the Florida legislature has become progressively more Republican the longer he has been in office.  That suggests to me that the job he is doing in Florida has inspired more people to vote Republican.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: libertybele on March 28, 2023, 05:04:08 pm
Here's a friendly suggestion to make things easier for you @libertybele ------  keep up or control your knee jerks.

Here's a friendly suggestion for you @Right_in_Virginia    -- Do a little research before you post talking points.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: libertybele on March 28, 2023, 05:07:31 pm
But we have to keep in mind that he has a solid GOP statehouse in Fla. to make his job easier

I look mostly at his Congressional record and he’s far superior on the spending issue than Trump. Would that philosophy follow him should he become POTUS? I don’t know. But not only is Trump’s record on spending horrific, but he’s promising even more

@LMAO  Yes a GOP majority has made his job easier, however in listening to talk radio, those supposed Republicans don't all equate to conservatives.  There are some that lean left which has become a headache.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: mystery-ak on March 28, 2023, 05:10:38 pm
This thread is a hot mess with personal insults...I am not going through a repeat of 2016 at TBR.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2023, 08:45:07 pm
Here's a friendly suggestion for you @Right_in_Virginia    -- Do a little research before you post talking points.

I post links and video support @libertybele   Keep up!
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: libertybele on March 28, 2023, 10:21:42 pm
I post links and video support @libertybele   Keep up!

I'm talking about you spewing inaccurate information....Trumpism gets the best of you at times.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: sneakypete on March 28, 2023, 10:22:39 pm
Although it is worth noting that the Florida legislature has become progressively more Republican the longer he has been in office.  That suggests to me that the job he is doing in Florida has inspired more people to vote Republican.

@Maj. Bill Martin

I could be wrong,but I suspect that Republicans moving to  Fla from the frozen north may have something to do with that,too.

IMNSHO,ONLY Republicans should be able to move to the south.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 28, 2023, 10:43:54 pm
I'm talking about you spewing inaccurate information....Trumpism gets the best of you at times.

I don't spew, period.  And I (knowingly) don't post inaccurate information.  Hate has taken ownership of you @libertybele   I'll ask that you be added back to the prayer chain for your guidance and spiritual protection
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Idiot on March 28, 2023, 10:44:50 pm
I don't spew, period.  And I (knowingly) don't post inaccurate information.  Hate has taken ownership of you @libertybele   I'll ask that you be added back to the prayer chain for your guidance and spiritual protection
*****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: mystery-ak on March 28, 2023, 10:47:51 pm
I don't spew, period.  And I (knowingly) don't post inaccurate information.  Hate has taken ownership of you @libertybele  I'll ask that you be added back to the prayer chain for your guidance and spiritual protection

That's really low @Right_in_Virginia even for you.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: libertybele on March 28, 2023, 10:49:56 pm
I don't spew, period.  And I (knowingly) don't post inaccurate information.  Hate has taken ownership of you @libertybele   I'll ask that you be added back to the prayer chain for your guidance and spiritual protection

Hate???? Exactly wo do you think I hate???
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: roamer_1 on March 28, 2023, 10:52:06 pm
@Maj. Bill Martin

I could be wrong,but I suspect that Republicans moving to  Fla from the frozen north may have something to do with that,too.

IMNSHO,ONLY Republicans should be able to move to the south.

@sneakypete

Nah bruh.

Didn't he lately take Dade County?
I do believe he did.

That's deep, DEEP blue.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Free Vulcan on March 28, 2023, 10:59:49 pm
I don't spew, period.  And I (knowingly) don't post inaccurate information.  Hate has taken ownership of you @libertybele   I'll ask that you be added back to the prayer chain for your guidance and spiritual protection

I'm not sure you have enough of a psychology or divinity degree to be making those kinds of personal observations.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: libertybele on March 28, 2023, 11:04:10 pm
I don't spew, period.  And I (knowingly) don't post inaccurate information.  Hate has taken ownership of you @libertybele   I'll ask that you be added back to the prayer chain for your guidance and spiritual protection

You are forgiven @Right_in_Virginia
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: libertybele on March 28, 2023, 11:05:06 pm
@sneakypete

Nah bruh.

Didn't he lately take Dade County?
I do believe he did.

That's deep, DEEP blue.

Yes he took Dade county
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: cato potatoe on March 28, 2023, 11:06:23 pm
I could be wrong,but I suspect that Republicans moving to  Fla from the frozen north may have something to do with that,too.

Since 2018?  Partly.  Around 350k of the margin can be attributed to that.  He gained 1.5 million though.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: roamer_1 on March 28, 2023, 11:07:16 pm
Yes he took Dade county

So FLORIDANS agree (hands down), politics aside.. He's a helluva governor.

Is that right?
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Idiot on March 28, 2023, 11:07:50 pm
You are forgiven @Right_in_Virginia
YOU are one of the reasons I love this place.  :flag:
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Sighlass on March 28, 2023, 11:27:49 pm
The repetitive sight of dead school children has caused every rational human adult to question this.  It's an intuitive desire to keep kids alive.

So tell us, do you also support banning AR-15s (a hot 22 caliber gun) that pale to other calibers? A position Trump has held for a long time now (anyone that has seen the NY values interview knows this).
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: libertybele on March 28, 2023, 11:58:40 pm
YOU are one of the reasons I love this place.  :flag:

 Thank you.  happy77  :patriot:
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: libertybele on March 29, 2023, 12:03:16 am
So FLORIDANS agree (hands down), politics aside.. He's a helluva governor.

Is that right?

Absolutely.  He has proven to be very conservative and competent.  He has stood his ground against the system more than once..
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Wingnut on March 29, 2023, 12:04:07 am
I don't spew, period.  And I (knowingly) don't post inaccurate information.  Hate has taken ownership of you @libertybele   I'll ask that you be added back to the prayer chain for your guidance and spiritual protection

  Please ask your God, Trump for forgiveness.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Wingnut on March 29, 2023, 12:05:46 am
So FLORIDANS agree (hands down), politics aside.. He's a helluva governor.

Is that right?

Hell yes.  He has trannys and woke folk on the run. 
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Wingnut on March 29, 2023, 12:07:47 am
You are forgiven @Right_in_Virginia

Nice burn of the bitch.  Not stooping to her level is wonderful. 
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: roamer_1 on March 29, 2023, 02:08:07 am
Absolutely.  He has proven to be very conservative and competent.  He has stood his ground against the system more than once..

Hell yes.  He has trannys and woke folk on the run. 

That's what I thought... And winning Dade County while he is at it... Even the liberals can't stop him.

Just making sure my hearing was working right from way on up here.  888high58888
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: sneakypete on March 29, 2023, 02:32:56 am
  Please ask your God, Trump for forgiveness.

@Wingnut

@mystery-ak

Myst calls on me for picking on you with rude language,and yet she lets YOU post your bile all day,every day,and says nothing about it?
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Wingnut on March 29, 2023, 02:55:23 am
That's what I thought... And winning Dade County while he is at it... Even the liberals can't stop him.

Just making sure my hearing was working right from way on up here.  888high58888

Working just fine brother
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 29, 2023, 03:55:48 am
Hate???? Exactly wo do you think I hate???

Me @libertybele 
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 29, 2023, 04:20:04 am
@Maj. Bill Martin

I could be wrong,but I suspect that Republicans moving to  Fla from the frozen north may have something to do with that,too.

IMNSHO,ONLY Republicans should be able to move to the south.

Leave the northeast and left coast to the Dems.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: ScottinVA on March 29, 2023, 09:22:01 am
The repetitive sight of dead school children has caused every rational human adult to question this.  It's an intuitive desire to keep kids alive.

Judge Trump by the action he did not take.

Well, first off, he didn’t see dead kids; nobody did.  Second, you’re essentially inferring Trump was enveloped by emotions and unable to actually discern the REAL underlying problem, i.e., mental health.  Third, his sentiments toward banning semiautomatic weapons go back to 2000.

Finally… that comment about judging Trump by what he doesn’t do is laughable, considering the Trump backers are castigating DeSantis because of their strange fears of “being owned by the Bushes,” when not one policy stance or action of his even remotely reeks of Bush influence. 

But… however pathetically late and weak your response was…you finally gave what little you had to defend your king, so there’s that.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: DCPatriot on March 29, 2023, 10:01:43 am
That's really low @Right_in_Virginia even for you.



She's taking on more than a dozen Never Trumpers at a time who suddenly find courage to express hatred for a man who gave us an 'oasis' of 4 years from the ongoing destruction of our Republic.

Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Free Vulcan on March 29, 2023, 12:35:00 pm
Me @libertybele

Persecution complex?
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: catfish1957 on March 29, 2023, 12:59:59 pm


She's taking on more than a dozen Never Trumpers at a time who suddenly find courage to express hatred for a man who gave us an 'oasis' of 4 years from the ongoing destruction of our Republic.

Suddenly have courage?  Come on....

You and I both know most of us look at the full record of Trump and give him props when he deserves it, but also have no problem bringing it up when screws up.  Which sadly has been quite frequently since he's left

And making excuses for  DJT around this crazy new "cities" idea was the ultimate of defending the man, no matter how crazy or un-conservative that he has  become of late.  This was the actual proof I was looking for, in implicating some in the AT faction of such.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 29, 2023, 01:31:17 pm
And making excuses for  DJT around this crazy new "cities" idea was the ultimate of defending the man, no matter how crazy or un-conservative that he has  become of late.  This was the actual proof I was looking for, in implicating some in the AT faction of such.

My thoughts exactly.

I don't see how anyone who ever claimed to be a conservative could possibly support that idea.  And yet....

I noticed there was no defense of the actual substance of the idea itself - the government picking and choosing sites for new cities, selecting which city plan is the best, and then funding it.  Nothing about that.  Her defense of the idea essentially came down to "Trump came up with it."

Pretty remarkable.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 29, 2023, 01:55:52 pm


She's taking on more than a dozen Never Trumpers at a time who suddenly find courage to express hatred for a man who gave us an 'oasis' of 4 years from the ongoing destruction of our Republic.

That's a really odd thing to say.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: catfish1957 on March 29, 2023, 01:58:24 pm
That's a really odd thing to say.

And disingenuous as hell.  @DCPatriot  is a great baseball fan like us, but when we talk politics, we butt heads often.

Play Ball!!!!!
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: libertybele on March 29, 2023, 02:04:34 pm
Me @libertybele

I absolutely definitely do NOT hate you @Right_in_Virginia
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: aligncare on March 29, 2023, 02:05:28 pm


She's taking on more than a dozen Never Trumpers at a time who suddenly find courage to express hatred for a man who gave us an 'oasis' of 4 years from the ongoing destruction of our Republic.

@DCPatriot  @Right_in_Virginia

Anymore I usually just read TBR without commenting. It’s evident to me no amount of facts or appeals to reason will dissuade some people from their hatred for president Trump—yes, that’s the word that fits, hatred.  And yes, you are right, DC.  I remember when some of these same people were expressing how wrong they were about Trump during his presidency because of his successes in pushing the country to the right.

I commend RiV’s fortitude for taking the slings and arrows for those of use who appreciate Trump but see no hope in the tide turning at TBR.

But, take heart, I still come to read the comments from the few Trump supporters here @sneakypete  @DCPatriot  @Right_in_Virginia and a few others who wander into the lion’s den.


Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on March 29, 2023, 02:12:22 pm
GOP 2024 Presidential candidate, Vivek Ramaswamy, is doing a decent job representing fiscal conservativism in his TV appearances.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: ScottinVA on March 29, 2023, 02:12:54 pm
@DCPatriot  @Right_in_Virginia

Anymore I usually just read TBR without commenting. It’s evident to me no amount of facts or appeals to reason will dissuade some people from their hatred for president Trump—yes, that’s the word that fits, hatred.  And yes, you are right, DC.  I remember when some of these same people were expressing how wrong they were about Trump during his presidency because of his successes in pushing the country to the right.

I commend RiV’s fortitude for taking the slings and arrows for those of use who appreciate Trump but see no hope in the tide turning at TBR.

But, take heart, I still come to read the comments from the few Trump supporters here @sneakypete  @DCPatriot  @Right_in_Virginia and a few others who wander into the lion’s den.

I realize the devotion to Trump is absolute to the point of worship, but you might someday break through that fog of adoration and try to discern between reasoned criticism and hatred.  I for one supported Trump when he won the nomination in 2016, supported him again in 2020 and will again in 2024 if he wins the nomination again.  But he’s not my first choice; Governor DeSantis, who has proven an ability to get re-elected by a large margin by appealing to the broad cross-section of the electorate, is.  Trump has the gargantuan task of gaining back the suburban voters who simply don’t trust him, and there’s no indication he even understands the enormity of that task before him.

So, try to set that emotion aside and apply a bit of critical thinking.. it’d be good for you.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: catfish1957 on March 29, 2023, 02:18:02 pm
@DCPatriot  @Right_in_Virginia

Anymore I usually just read TBR without commenting. It’s evident to me no amount of facts or appeals to reason will dissuade some people from their hatred for president Trump—yes, that’s the word that fits, hatred.  And yes, you are right, DC.  I remember when some of these same people were expressing how wrong they were about Trump during his presidency because of his successes in pushing the country to the right.

I commend RiV’s fortitude for taking the slings and arrows for those of use who appreciate Trump but see no hope in the tide turning at TBR.

But, take heart, I still come to read the comments from the few Trump supporters here @sneakypete  @DCPatriot  @Right_in_Virginia and a few others who wander into the lion’s den.

Talk about full frontal snowflake mode.  I remember you being the most brutal toward me back when I first joined TBR in '16 around my Cruz support, and how you and other among others dog-piled me relentlessly.

At least leave the hypocricy at home this time.

As far as RIV and DCP, I view them as valuable assets here.   There have been many times they share stuff that I go....   Hmmmm...  hadn't seen it that way.
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Post by: libertybele on March 29, 2023, 02:27:07 pm
@DCPatriot  @Right_in_Virginia

Anymore I usually just read TBR without commenting. It’s evident to me no amount of facts or appeals to reason will dissuade some people from their hatred for president Trump—yes, that’s the word that fits, hatred.  And yes, you are right, DC.  I remember when some of these same people were expressing how wrong they were about Trump during his presidency because of his successes in pushing the country to the right.

I commend RiV’s fortitude for taking the slings and arrows for those of use who appreciate Trump but see no hope in the tide turning at TBR.

But, take heart, I still come to read the comments from the few Trump supporters here @sneakypete  @DCPatriot  @Right_in_Virginia and a few others who wander into the lion’s den.

@aligncare   Speaking for myself, I do NOT hate Trump.  I have praised him numerous times and I have stated that I felt he was a good president.  There are several things that he has done that I take issue with but that doesn't mean that I hate him.  Hate is a very strong word and I find it an insult to be accused that I hate Trump.  IMHO he took this country in a very positive direction. Yes, I absolutely believe that the election was stolen from him.  SCOTUS turned their backs on us and there is nothing that I or you can do about that.

Recently he has said some things that I take issue with and he is back to bullying which IMO as a past president is really cringe worthy. Trump going after conservatives is questionable especially since he is aligning himself with RINO's.  So... am I supposed to give him a free pass?  That, I'm not willing to do. BUT that doesn't mean I hate him.  I don't give any politician a free pass.

I cannot support Trump if he is going to align himself with RINO's while going after conservatives. His idea of futuristic cities quite frankly I find alarming and his comments have a 'socialistic' feel to them.  I can't support that.

As good as a president that I feel that he was, I cannot support him in his current frame of mind. I think all that he went through and put up with has finally gotten to him and secondly he is aging.  It's time to pass the MAGA movement on to someone else.

Just my opinion.  If you see this as hatred for Trump, then so be it.   
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: LMAO on March 29, 2023, 02:48:58 pm
We don’t need to point out how we don’t hate Donald Trump, or that there were things he did in his presidency that were spot on. We have every right to critique what he did wrong during his presidency along with all this preposterous stuff he’s spewing out now

When you ask his supporters to defend some of this stuff, they won’t even answer,  they make you the issue, or they reply with rude, orange man

This future city nonsense and  paying people to have babies is ridiculous. It doesn’t matter who it comes from. This is “squad” type bullshit.

Everybody pointed example after  example where Trump’s city idea has resulted in failure, and his supporters still choose to remain blind. You’re never gonna convince them no matter how many examples you show them that this has failed. Instead of mocking people’s concerns, why don’t they point out where this has succeeded?

It’s time to quit coddling his supporters. This guy is running for another term determined outspend Biden with the full blessing of his supporters regardless of the consequences. All they do is regurgitate terms like “globalist, Paul Ryan, Karl Rove.”

You would think that the city idea would at least give them some pause.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: massadvj on March 29, 2023, 02:53:43 pm
We don’t need to point out how we don’t hate Donald Trump, or that there were things he did in his presidency that were spot on. We have every right to critique what he did wrong during his presidency along with all this preposterous stuff he’s spewing out now

I am sure there are some very fine people on both sides.  :silly:
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Post by: LMAO on March 29, 2023, 02:59:40 pm
I am sure there are some very fine people on both sides.  :silly:

Lol


If Donald Trump came out today, acknowledge his mistake in the spending department, and said that he will work with Congress to try to reduce the size of government, if elected, and the spending, I’d take a chance and vote for him again.

But he hasn’t.   In fact, he is getting much worse.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: catfish1957 on March 29, 2023, 03:04:47 pm
Lol


If Donald Trump came out today, acknowledge his mistake in the spending department, and said that he will work with Congress to try to reduce the size of government, if elected, and the spending, I’d take a chance and vote for him again.

But he hasn’t.   In fact, he is getting much worse.

Or if his most loyal contingent would at least admit that they are with him 90% of the time, and not 100.00%, they'd get a lot more respect and would be taken more seriously.  Some defend him so blindly it is laughable.

I didn't even agree with Ronald Reagan 100% back in the day, and I had the self awareness to keep that level objectivity.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: roamer_1 on March 29, 2023, 03:24:10 pm
@DCPatriot  @Right_in_Virginia

Anymore I usually just read TBR without commenting. It’s evident to me no amount of facts or appeals to reason will dissuade some people from their hatred for president Trump—yes, that’s the word that fits, hatred.  And yes, you are right, DC.  I remember when some of these same people were expressing how wrong they were about Trump during his presidency because of his successes in pushing the country to the right.

I commend RiV’s fortitude for taking the slings and arrows for those of use who appreciate Trump but see no hope in the tide turning at TBR.

But, take heart, I still come to read the comments from the few Trump supporters here @sneakypete  @DCPatriot  @Right_in_Virginia and a few others who wander into the lion’s den.

That's too bad @aligncare ... I have always enjoyed sparring with you.
But your idea of 'reason' and 'right' are very skewed when it comes to Tumpy.

He is not Conservative and never has been.
He is undeniably 'big government'
And every leftist thing GREW under Tumpy.

He did not push right, except in EOs, as a general rule.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 29, 2023, 03:24:12 pm
I don't hate Trump, but I'll admit that I have come to despise him.

I voted for him in both 2016 and 2020.  However, the way he has conducted himself since the 2020 election has been almost a caricature of an unhinged politician.  From January 6 where he stupidly played right into the Democrats hands, right on through for the next two years.

But what made me shift from "I really don't like the guy but would still vote for him reluctantly in the general election" to "I despise him and will not vote for him again under any circumstances" has been his conduct the last six months - the juvenile and nasty attacks on an extremely popular sitting GOP governor, weirdo rants and sense of entitlement to the 2024 nomination, and policy positions I consider ridiculous - such as ending the Ukraine war in 24 hours and now this bizarre "Freedom cities" idea.

So while I don't know that man personally well enough to hate him, I do despise him in his capacity as a leader.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Kamaji on March 29, 2023, 03:24:30 pm
I am sure there are some very fine people on both sides.  :silly:

:mauslaff:
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 29, 2023, 03:27:14 pm
:mauslaff:

I think there are a lot of very well-meaning people who were so in love with the idea of what they thought Trump was that they cannot see what he has become.
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Post by: Kamaji on March 29, 2023, 03:29:08 pm
I think there are a lot of very well-meaning people who were so in love with the idea of what they thought Trump was that they cannot see what he has become.

Maybe I should clarify:  I was just laughing at @Lando Lincoln 's sly reference to the alleged comment about Charlottesville that DJT got raked over for.

As for the substance, I agree with it.  There are good people on both sides of the discussion.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: roamer_1 on March 29, 2023, 03:32:32 pm
If Donald Trump came out today, acknowledge his mistake in the spending department, and said that he will work with Congress to try to reduce the size of government, if elected, and the spending, I’d take a chance and vote for him again.


NOPE. That horse left the barn long ago.

There is no way I will reward him for twenty friggin trillion dollars.
Even if he does say, "gee, I'm sorry..."
Putting my grands or great-grands in debt will not be overlooked.
He needs to step off.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: LMAO on March 29, 2023, 03:35:42 pm
NOPE. That horse left the barn long ago.

There is no way I will reward him for twenty friggin trillion dollars.
Even if he does say, "gee, I'm sorry..."
Putting my grands or great-grands in debt will not be overlooked.
He needs to step off.

And you’re right

You keep preaching that limited government, fiscal conservatism regardless of the contempt you get from MAGAs. Because you’re right. And the consequence of anything else is dire
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: roamer_1 on March 29, 2023, 03:37:30 pm
I don't hate Trump, but I'll admit that I have come to despise him.

I don't hate anyone. Except maybe my ex sometimes, and I am working on that.
And I don't despise him either.

He is what he is.
And that is a bloviating chooch.
Which is alright with me if he was not claiming to be conservative, and bragging his ability to run the country... Which he cannot do - As proven.
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Post by: cato potatoe on March 29, 2023, 03:47:14 pm
Anymore I usually just read TBR without commenting. It’s evident to me no amount of facts or appeals to reason will dissuade some people from their hatred for president Trump—yes, that’s the word that fits, hatred. 

Well, the thing is, some of us do rely on facts & reason, instead of tweets posted by catturd2, or "terminate the constitution." 

If you paid attention to Donald, you wouldn't like him either.
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Post by: catfish1957 on March 29, 2023, 04:02:26 pm
Well, the thing is, some of us do rely on facts & reason, instead of tweets posted by catturd2, or "terminate the constitution." 

If you paid attention to Donald, you wouldn't like him either.

It took awhile, but I figured at some point Trump would come out with something so outrageous and crazy that his disicplies would have to struggle to figure out how to defend him.  Took insane Trumpian futuristic cities with Jetson cars to finally 100% do it.

No one right of Bernie and AOC would accept this this level of crazy. 

I'd hoped some of them had finally seen the light, but......

Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: DCPatriot on March 29, 2023, 04:09:19 pm
That's a really odd thing to say.

I'm speaking about posters who've essentially been mute for years...not the regulars who engage almost daily.

Go back on the threads savaging Pres Trump.  You'll see many 'stranger's you don't recognize or recall.
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Post by: DefiantMassRINO on March 29, 2023, 04:39:44 pm
I don't hate Trump.  I believe, since 2020, that he has demonstrated he is no longer fit for office.

A stable, prosperous, strong economy requires a stable government with stable leaders.

It's more risky to make long-term investment committments in America when Government policies can change with a Tweet.
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Post by: Free Vulcan on March 29, 2023, 04:41:57 pm
I don't hate Trump.  I believe, since 2020, that he has demonstrated he is no longer fit for office.

A stable, prosperous, strong economy requires a stable government with stable leaders.

It's more risky to make long-term investment committments in America when Government policies can change with a Tweet.

Yes. I only want him to get his crap together and get his head in the game, but given what I've seen that's not gonna happen.
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Post by: sneakypete on March 29, 2023, 06:19:21 pm
@DCPatriot  @Right_in_Virginia

Anymore I usually just read TBR without commenting. It’s evident to me no amount of facts or appeals to reason will dissuade some people from their hatred for president Trump—yes, that’s the word that fits, hatred.  And yes, you are right, DC.  I remember when some of these same people were expressing how wrong they were about Trump during his presidency because of his successes in pushing the country to the right.

I commend RiV’s fortitude for taking the slings and arrows for those of use who appreciate Trump but see no hope in the tide turning at TBR.

But, take heart, I still come to read the comments from the few Trump supporters here @sneakypete  @DCPatriot  @Right_in_Virginia and a few others who wander into the lion’s den.

@aligncare

Same here. I got tired of these weasels getting me mad with their childish whining,so I have decided to ignore them. Kudos to "Right in Virginia",but I just don't have the patience to be polite to the worse of those cheap-shot weasels, like she does.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: sneakypete on March 29, 2023, 06:22:38 pm
I realize the devotion to Trump is absolute to the point of worship, but you might someday break through that fog of adoration and try to discern between reasoned criticism and hatred.

@ScottinVA

And YOU should try to grow up and realize you are full of Biden,and that very few,if any,posters here are Trump "fan boys".

I support him because he is the only  one that has the stones to stand up to the left and their mealy-mouthed accomplices in the alleged Republican Party of today.

I am only  replying to your post because you seem to  be new here.
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Post by: sneakypete on March 29, 2023, 06:25:48 pm
I think there are a lot of very well-meaning people who were so in love with the idea of what they thought Trump was that they cannot see what he has become.

@Maj. Bill Martin

And what are the alternatives,other than just one more career pol looking for "his cut of the pie"?
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Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 29, 2023, 06:46:46 pm
@Maj. Bill Martin

And what are the alternatives,other than just one more career pol looking for "his cut of the pie"?

Okay, I know you're going to disagree with thispretty strongly, but I don't think most of them are just looking for a cut of the ie.  Most of them have some core beliefs that motivated them to run for office in the first place.   They generally aren't our beliefs, but they do have them.  And obviously, there are some exceptions to that who basically have become about nothing more than getting their cut of the pie. But most of them still believe in something.

But to answer your question...I can't really answer that question for you.  I was just making the general point that sometimes when we form an initial opinion of someone, we stick to that opinion even when there are facts that should lead to the revision of that opinion.

I think Trump is truly exceptional at articulating many of the legitimate grievances of a huge swath of the American people, including myself.   That earned him a ton of fans who were extremely hopeful that as the guy who best articulated, in ordinary English, what those problems were, he was the guy best equipped to fix them.

In my opinion, it just hasn't turned out that way.  I think he lacks the attention to detail and necessary understanding of the legal and governmental systems to get things done. I also think he has a personality that while extremely entertaining, rubs a lot of people the wrong way. As a result, he just can't fix the problems he is able to identify.   But I think a lot of people have put so much hope into a guy who sees things the same way they do that they can't judge his effectiveness objectively.  They can't distinguish clearly between what they want to see, and what they are actually seeing.

Alternatives?  Well, a guy like DeSantis isn't nearly as entertaining or charismatic as is Trump. He can't captivate a crowd the same way, and he can't articulate those grievances in a way that is as appealing.  However, I do believe he has shown himself to be conservative in the way he is governed his state, and has shown himself to be an excellent administrator who understands the ins and outs of the governmental and legal systems.  So to me personally, I think he has a better chance than Trump to actually make many of the changes that Trump has been talking about.

That doesn't mean he's the only guy. I'm personally still keeping my here ears open in the primaries to see what the rest of them say.
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: Kamaji on March 29, 2023, 06:47:38 pm
Okay, I know you're going to disagree with this.pretty strongly, but I don't think most of them are just looking for a cut of the lie.  Most of them have some core beliefs that motivated them to run for office in the first place.   They generally aren't our beliefs, but they do have them.

And obviously, there are some exceptions to that who basically have become about nothing more than getting their cut of the pie. But most of them still believe in something.

But to answer your question, I can't really answer that question for you.  I was just making the general point that sometimes when we form an initial opinion of someone, we stick to that opinion even when there are facts that should lead to the revision of that opinion.

I think Trump is truly exceptional at articulating many of the legitimate grievances of a huge swath of the American people, including myself.   That earned him a ton of fans who were extremely hopeful that as the guy who best articulated, in ordinary English, what those problems were, he was the guy best equipped to fix them.

In my opinion, it just hasn't turned out that way.  I think he lacks the attention to detail and necessary understanding of the legal and governmental systems to get things done. I also think he has a personality that while extremely entertaining, rubs a lot of people the wrong way. As a result, he just can't fix the problems he is able to identify.   But I think a lot of people have put so much hope into a guy who sees things the same way they do that they can't judge his effectiveness objectively.

Alternatives?  Well, a guy like DeSantis isn't nearly as entertaining or charismatic as is Trump. He can't captivate a crowd the same way, and he can't articulate those grievances in a way that is as appealing.  However, I do believe he has shown himself to be conservative in the way he is governed his state, and has shown himself to be an excellent administrator who understands the ins and outs of the governmental and legal systems.  So to me personally, I think he has a better chance than Trump to actually make many of the changes that Trump has been talking about.

That doesn't mean he's the only guy. I'm personally still keeping my here ears open in the primaries to see what the rest of them say.

:thumbsup:
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Post by: Smokin Joe on March 29, 2023, 08:01:54 pm
We don’t need to point out how we don’t hate Donald Trump, or that there were things he did in his presidency that were spot on. We have every right to critique what he did wrong during his presidency along with all this preposterous stuff he’s spewing out now

This future city nonsense and  paying people to have babies is ridiculous. It doesn’t matter who it comes from. This is “squad” type bullshit.

Everybody pointed example after  example where Trump’s city idea has resulted in failure, and his supporters still choose to remain blind. You’re never gonna convince them no matter how many examples you show them that this has failed.
You would think that the city idea would at least give them some pause.
When he can build a 'shining city' that doesn't export its garbage, its sewage, and its rules, maybe he will have something. But people who live in cities live in a different world from those in more rural areas, have no concept of what is necessary to life in the boonies, and would not recognize some of the tools that are part of everyday life here.

All too often, they maintain their illusion of cleanliness by exporting their trash and effluent, whether it is dumped into the Atlantic dead zone off New York, or spread on farm fields allegedly pathogen free, (but containing God only knows what), to be concentrated in crops and consumed later.
Even the whole notion (as in electric cars) that they are 'emission free' only relocates the dirty aspects to somewhere else that doesn't have enough people to outvote that cluster of humanity in that shining hive.

(If you can't tell, well, I have little to no use for cities). Especially in this day and age when information could be disseminated at near light speed, apart from museums (which gather the best of the best from elsewhere and concentrate it for the amusement of urbanites and to attract people from places where those items were gathered), I see little use for cities.

Unfortunately, (and I did vote for Trump in 2020) I am seeing what seem like a series of unforced errors. When you are established as a political figure, and not as an entertainment one, the old saw about there being no such thing as bad publicity no longer holds true. I expect some more wise and restrained behaviour.

Almost all of America wants America to do better, we're tired of seeing money go to things we would never donate to promote, and not having the option to say 'no'--nor, for that matter effective representation to thwart some of the egregiously destructive policies that have been emplaced.
 
Some good business sense would be welcome, control of the borders (still a winning issue), energy independence--which would lower energy costs and reduce the impact of inflation--(because cheaper fuel makes everything less expensive), and an end to the Greenonsense that pervades almost every aspect of our culture, from banking to vehicles.
We're aghast at the incredible proliferation of pie-in-the-sky policies that will lead to economic ruin and civil breakdown, and are already doing so.

Spending money we don't have is not an option, but we need to rebuild our military, secure the borders, and strengthen our manufacturing and resource production base. We can only foster that by getting Government out of the way, by not bailing out banks which fail because they have placed diversity over sound investment or which work contrary to the ends of making this nation stronger.

building more hotbeds of Leftist dogma (cities) sure seems like the wrong direction to me, as bad as catering to the mentally ill and fostering the corruption of our very culture.
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Post by: sneakypete on March 29, 2023, 09:47:27 pm

Even the whole notion (as in electric cars) that they are 'emission free' 

@Smokin Joe

Even people aren't "emission free".
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Post by: Smokin Joe on March 29, 2023, 09:49:01 pm
@Smokin Joe

Even people aren't "emission free".
Nothing is. Not even rocks (they just take a little longer, but there's lots of them).
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: jafo2010 on March 31, 2023, 03:26:16 am
Quote
Maj. Bill Martin...
The way I look at it, Trump deserves to be opposed with the best we've got.  The thought of him waltzing to the nomination would say something kind of sick about the GOP.

Fact is, the GOP is worse than sick.  Like someone else further up the thread, I say we have a uni-party, one dedicated to establishing a globalist governance across the planet.  And I believe it is possible that Trump endorses globalism, for he sure appointed his share of globalists into key positions of his administration.

With this Alvin Bragg move, I see DeSantis not jumping in, for this act will serve as a huge motivator to unify folks behind Trump.  I say, how do you know that what Bragg is doing is not exactly what Trump wanted?  Perhaps even knowingly coordinated with the Trump camp?  Seriously.  Indicting Trump on a misdemeanor, something that had a two year statute of limitations, which has come and gone, makes no sense.   But it does make sense if it is intended to unify Republicans, and all others that would consider supporting Trump.

I welcome DeSantis because I believe he is most qualified to be our next POTUS.
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Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 31, 2023, 03:39:16 am
@Smokin Joe

Even people aren't "emission free".

Anybody who ever spent time in a GP tent, or God forbid a shelter half, knows that.

@sneakypete
Title: Re: THAT WAS QUICK: DeSantis Donors Reportedly Recommending DeSantis Sit This One Out
Post by: roamer_1 on March 31, 2023, 04:37:35 am
Anybody who ever spent time in a GP tent, or God forbid a shelter half, knows that.

@sneakypete

Well, I cannot confirm that...
But I can tell you plenty about a bunch of cowboys (and dogs) in a tiny line shack...

And fishin buddies (and dogs) in an ice fishing shack...

that'll curl your teeth...