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Title: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Timber Rattler on March 13, 2023, 11:17:49 pm
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/13/trump-lashes-out-desantis-regrets-endorsement-00086861

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Former President Donald Trump is intensifying his attacks on Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, calling him disloyal and saying that his political career would have been over had he not endorsed his ultimately successful 2018 campaign.

“He was dead as a dog, he was a dead politician. He would have been working perhaps for a law firm or doing something else,” Trump told a small group of reporters aboard his plane on Monday afternoon en route to Iowa, where he was to make an appearance that evening.


Asked if he regretted endorsing Ron DeSantis for governor in 2018, Donald Trump responded: “Yeah maybe, this guy was dead. He was dead as a doornail.” | Alex Brandon/AP Photo

By ALEX ISENSTADT

03/13/2023 05:25 PM EDT

Former President Donald Trump is intensifying his attacks on Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, calling him disloyal and saying that his political career would have been over had he not endorsed his ultimately successful 2018 campaign.

“He was dead as a dog, he was a dead politician. He would have been working perhaps for a law firm or doing something else,” Trump told a small group of reporters aboard his plane on Monday afternoon en route to Iowa, where he was to make an appearance that evening.

Asked if he regretted endorsing DeSantis for governor in 2018, Trump responded: “Yeah maybe, this guy was dead. He was dead as a doornail…I might say that.”

Trump spent nearly ten minutes going after DeSantis, who is widely viewed as his most formidable challenger for the Republican nomination. The Florida governor, who is expected to launch his campaign following the end of the state’s legislative session in May, has been embarking on a swing of early primary states to promote his newly released memoir — including in Iowa, where he appeared on Friday.

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Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Hoodat on March 14, 2023, 12:29:47 am
Trump is working overtime to convince me to support DeSantis.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 14, 2023, 12:30:57 am
I would be surprised if he didn't call him out after being virtually  stabbed in the back politically by him.

If DeSantis wins the Republican nomination,I will NOT be voting for him.  He has just proven he can't be trusted.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Hoodat on March 14, 2023, 12:41:57 am
I would be surprised if he didn't call him out after being virtually  stabbed in the back politically by him.

Stabbed in the back?  How so?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 14, 2023, 12:46:47 am
Stabbed in the back?  How so?

@Hoodat

You are kidding,right?

Nobody outside of Florida knew who DeSantis was until he was hooked up with Trump and everybody became convinced he would be a good VP candidate for Trump and a good man to take over after Trump has to leave office after one more term.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Hoodat on March 14, 2023, 12:49:54 am
@Hoodat

You are kidding,right?

Nobody outside of Florida knew who DeSantis was until he was hooked up with Trump and everybody became convinced he would be a good VP candidate for Trump and a good man to take over after Trump has to leave office after one more term.

@sneakypete

Again, how did DeSantis stab Trump in the back?  Please be specific.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 14, 2023, 02:13:23 am
There are two things that are making an already thin skinned Trump meltdown

First, DeSantis is a threat. People like Hogan, Haley have no chance

Secondly, DeSantis has a record of being more of a deficit hawk and Trump wants to spend and grow the debt
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 14, 2023, 03:14:24 am
@Hoodat

You are kidding,right?

Nobody outside of Florida knew who DeSantis was until he was hooked up with Trump and everybody became convinced he would be a good VP candidate for Trump and a good man to take over after Trump has to leave office after one more term.

I'm just going to point out that Trump himself has absolutely trashed DeSantis, calling him a "RINO Globalist", trashing his policies on COVID, and now saying he shouldn't have endorsed him.  And those comments have been cheered on by a great many Trump supporters, including some here   Perhaps not you (I honestly don't remember), but many.

So I always find it odd when many of those same people say he should be Trump's VP in 2024, or would be a great successor to Trump in 2028.

I don't get it.  If he's truly a RINO globalist, etc., as Trump says, then why would any Trump supporters want anything to do with the guy as veep in 2024 or as President in 2028?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LadyLiberty on March 14, 2023, 03:47:34 am
@Hoodat hrar
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You are kidding,right?

Nobody outside of Florida knew who DeSantis was until he was hooked up with Trump and everybody became convinced he would be a good VP candidate for Trump and a good man to take over after Trump has to leave office after one more term.

Please. Just because he wasn't on your radar that doesn't mean that others were ignorant of his existence.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 14, 2023, 05:44:33 am
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Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: kevindavis007 on March 14, 2023, 12:08:53 pm
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Why should I vote for a person who lost to Joe Biden?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 14, 2023, 12:18:15 pm

Why should I vote for a person who lost to Joe Biden?

And who wants to continue Biden’s spending binge
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 14, 2023, 12:20:52 pm
Trump is so pathetic.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Wingnut on March 14, 2023, 12:24:50 pm
Trump is a sick man.  He needs a safe room to get away from himself.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Free Vulcan on March 14, 2023, 12:35:26 pm
Living rent free, catty cheerleaders everywhere taking notes.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: kevindavis007 on March 14, 2023, 12:35:56 pm
And who wants to continue Biden’s spending binge




Bingo
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 14, 2023, 01:03:20 pm
@sneakypete

Again, how did DeSantis stab Trump in the back?  Please be specific.

@Hoodat

Announcing he is COMPETING with Trump for the  top spot isn't stabbing him in the back after the "name recognition boost" that Trump gave him by announcing he would pick him for VP?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 14, 2023, 01:05:35 pm
I would be surprised if he didn't call him out after being virtually  stabbed in the back politically by him.

If DeSantis wins the Republican nomination,I will NOT be voting for him.  He has just proven he can't be trusted.

Supporting the largest generator of fed debt in POTUS admin history?  Even on an inflation adjusted basis? 

Have at it.  Really getting a good idea who here are populist who care nothing about fiscal poicy versus those who are true conservatives.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 14, 2023, 01:06:40 pm
@Hoodat

Announcing he is COMPETING with Trump for the  top spot isn't stabbing him in the back after the "name recognition boost" that Trump gave him by announcing he would pick him for VP?

That's the f'ing silliest thing I've read here in weeks
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 14, 2023, 01:08:07 pm
@Hoodat

Announcing he is COMPETING with Trump for the  top spot isn't stabbing him in the back after the "name recognition boost" that Trump gave him by announcing he would pick him for VP?

Po widdle baby Twumpee.  Such a thin-skinned little snowflake.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 14, 2023, 01:08:55 pm

Why should I vote for a person who lost to Joe Biden?

Or hired Anthony Fauxci, after claiming I only hire the best.  How did that work out for the world?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 14, 2023, 01:09:35 pm
There are two things that are making an already thin skinned Trump meltdown

First, DeSantis is a threat. People like Hogan, Haley have no chance

Secondly, DeSantis has a record of being more of a deficit hawk and Trump wants to spend and grow the debt

@LMAO

An outright lie. He wants the economy  to grow,but so does everyone else. He does NOT want to increase the debt,but will have no choice in the matter,thanks to Slow Joe and his RINO butt-buddies spending  bills that he,or whoever else becomes the next President will have to deal with.

The FACTS are the Dims and their RINO boyfriends WANT the economy to crash so they can pass legislation that will give them total,Soviet-style control over the economy.

It is the  career leftist politicians and their banker pals that want this. No one else.

And you can bet your bippy that they are going to write and pass a BUNCH of spending bills right before the next election.

We either elect an outsider that can't be bought or bribed instead of a career politician,or America is over after the next election.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 14, 2023, 01:13:40 pm
Po widdle baby Twumpee.  Such a thin-skinned little snowflake.

Besides, DeSantis hasn’t even announced
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 14, 2023, 01:14:58 pm
@LMAO

An outright lie. He wants the economy  to grow,but so does everyone else. He does NOT want to increase the debt,but will have no choice in the matter,thanks to Slow Joe and his RINO butt-buddies spending  bills that he,or whoever else becomes the next President will have to deal with.

The FACTS are the Dims and their RINO boyfriends WANT the economy to crash so they can pass legislation that will give them total,Soviet-style control over the economy.

It is the  career leftist politicians and their banker pals that want this. No one else.

And you can bet your bippy that they are going to write and pass a BUNCH of spending bills right before the next election.

We either elect an outsider that can't be bought or bribed instead of a career politician,or America is over after the next election.

Trump’s statements and record as president prove otherwise
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 14, 2023, 01:15:22 pm
I'm just going to point out that Trump himself has absolutely trashed DeSantis, calling him a "RINO Globalist", trashing his policies on COVID, and now saying he shouldn't have endorsed him.

And that is who DeSantis is now that he has "Presidential lights" in his eyes.


  And those comments have been cheered on by a great many Trump supporters, including some here   Perhaps not you (I honestly don't remember), but many.

So I always find it odd when many of those same people say he should be Trump's VP in 2024, or would be a great successor to Trump in 2028.


And he was,before he saw the bright  lights in his eyes and started his campaign because he didn't want to wait another 4  years to be President. Trump "made him" a major player by saying he would choose  him for his VP running mate,and now DeSantis is showing his true character by stabbing Trump in the back.

I don't get it.  If he's truly a RINO globalist, etc., as Trump says, then why would any Trump supporters want anything to do with the guy as veep in 2024 or as President in 2028?

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I am already on the record as saying I will NOT vote for DeSantis regardless of who the Dim candidate is.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 14, 2023, 01:16:05 pm
Please. Just because he wasn't on your radar that doesn't mean that others were ignorant of his existence.

@LadyLiberty

Ok,people in  Florida knew who he was.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 14, 2023, 01:16:12 pm



So, we can put @sneakypete down as a Biden supporter.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 14, 2023, 01:18:03 pm

Why should I vote for a person who lost to Joe Biden?

@Kevindadavison


I dunno. Maybe because you,like many RINO "Party People",think he is rude and uncouth?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 14, 2023, 01:19:06 pm
@LMAO

An outright lie. He wants the economy  to grow,but so does everyone else. He does NOT want to increase the debt,but will have no choice in the matter,thanks to Slow Joe and his RINO butt-buddies spending  bills that he,or whoever else becomes the next President will have to deal with.



Again, stop with the orange silliness.....

Deficit additon numbers by POTUS adjusted for inflation in what I have calculated with a 1981 Reagan CPI as Benchmark Year....

1. Trump- $1.707T/yr. ($567 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
2. Obama- $1.039T/yr ($372 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
3. GWB- $763 B/yr. ($314 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
4. GWHB- $388 B/yr.($237 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
5. Reagan- $232 B/yr.  ($166 B/yr.  inflation adjusted)
6. WJC- $174 B/yr.  ($86 B/yr. Inflation adjusted)

So stop with the BS, and go play with your Donald Trump collector cards......

(https://insiderpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/trump-nft-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 14, 2023, 01:21:06 pm
Again, stop with the orange silliness.....

Deficit additon numbers by POTUS adjusted for inflation in what I have calculated with a 1981 Reagan CPI as Benchmark Year....

1. Trump- $1.707T/yr. ($567 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
2. Obama- $1.039T/yr ($372 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
3. GWB- $763 B/yr. ($314 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
4. GWHB- $388 B/yr.($237 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
5. Reagan- $232 B/yr.  ($166 B/yr.  inflation adjusted)
6. WJC- $174 B/yr.  ($86 B/yr. Inflation adjusted)

So stop with the BS, and go play with your Donald Trump collector cards......

He’s molding Donald Trump into what he wants and thinks Donald Trump should be

The problem is we have a record. And no, Trump wasn’t just the victim of out of control spending. He also helped facilitate much of it.

Much of our economic problems that we are experiencing now have the unsustainable debt as the basis of their cause. You will not grow the economy enough to overcome that
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 14, 2023, 01:25:31 pm
And who wants to continue Biden’s spending binge

@LMAO

You know he is rude,too?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 14, 2023, 01:26:40 pm
@LMAO

You know he is rude,too?

You are on to something.  Maybe they are more alike than different.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 14, 2023, 01:30:48 pm
@LMAO

You know he is rude,too?

How is that anything than pathetic snowflake deflection to a statement you cannot refute?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 14, 2023, 01:31:32 pm

So, we can put @sneakypete down as a Biden supporter.

@Kamaji

I may even vote for Biden if Trump isn't the Republican candidate.

At least that way maybe I will still be young enough to pick up a rifle and go into politics when the NWO takes over.

Either Trump,or some other non-professional pol like him takes over,or the next election will signal the end of America as a nation of free people,and Trump is the only  non-professional political candidate that has been put through that wringer and understands what he will be up against.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 14, 2023, 01:32:51 pm
@Kamaji

I may even vote for Biden if Trump isn't the Republican candidate.

At least that way maybe I will still be young enough to pick up a rifle and go into politics when the NWO takes over.

Either Trump,or some other non-professional pol like him takes over,or the next election will signal the end of America as a nation of free people,and Trump is the only  non-professional political candidate that has been put through that wringer and understands what he will be up against.


So you're a snowflake, who cannot stand the thought that your treasured favorite candidate might not get the nomination by acclamation, so you engage in a little "I'm taking my ball home" tantrum to get your way.

How childish.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 14, 2023, 01:35:55 pm
Again, stop with the orange silliness.....

Deficit additon numbers by POTUS adjusted for inflation in what I have calculated with a 1981 Reagan CPI as Benchmark Year....

1. Trump- $1.707T/yr. ($567 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
2. Obama- $1.039T/yr ($372 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
3. GWB- $763 B/yr. ($314 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
4. GWHB- $388 B/yr.($237 B/yr. inflation adjusted)
5. Reagan- $232 B/yr.  ($166 B/yr.  inflation adjusted)
6. WJC- $174 B/yr.  ($86 B/yr. Inflation adjusted)

So stop with the BS, and go play with your Donald Trump collector cards......

(https://insiderpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/trump-nft-1.jpg)

@catfish1957

Trump,like every other President in history inherited the previous Presidents budget and had to spend his first two years dealing with that.

Plus he had the RINO's in the alleged Republican Party stabbing him in the back because they feared losing their kickbacks for selling America out to the left.

And frankly,his inexperience with government and his life-long experience as a major capitalist investor that could trust the people he hired to not stab him in the back hurt him.

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 14, 2023, 01:36:55 pm
How is that anything than pathetic snowflake deflection to a statement you cannot refute?

@Kamaji

With ALL due respect,ESAD!
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 14, 2023, 01:36:59 pm
@catfish1957

Trump,like every other President in history inherited the previous Presidents budget and had to spend his first two years dealing with that.

Plus he had the RINO's in the alleged Republican Party stabbing him in the back because they feared losing their kickbacks for selling America out to the left.

And frankly,his inexperience with government and his life-long experience as a major capitalist investor that could trust the people he hired to not stab him in the back hurt him.




:mauslaff:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 14, 2023, 01:37:27 pm
@Kamaji

With ALL due respect,ESAD!

:mauslaff:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 14, 2023, 01:38:29 pm
@catfish1957

Trump,like every other President in history inherited the previous Presidents budget and had to spend his first two years dealing with that.



So you are basically stating that the first two years of Biden are Trump's responsibility?  Wow, that makes the numbers even worse.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 14, 2023, 01:39:44 pm
So you're a snowflake, who cannot stand the thought that your treasured favorite candidate might not get the nomination by acclamation, so you engage in a little "I'm taking my ball home" tantrum to get your way.

How childish.

@Kamaji

No,I am a realist,not a childlike dreamer that actually  thinks you can keep on voting for the Party People and make things change. Your children will end up cursing you for your Party People votes.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 14, 2023, 01:41:16 pm
So you are basically stating that the first two years of Biden are Trump's responsibility?  Wow, that makes the numbers even worse.

@catfish1957

Logic ain't your strong point,is it?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 14, 2023, 01:42:08 pm
@catfish1957

Logic ain't your strong point,is it?

Was your logic....  not mine.  Read what you post before posting it
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: mountaineer on March 14, 2023, 02:03:44 pm
The🐰FOO
@PolitiBunny
Would someone close to Trump please tell him that he’s doing exactly what the Left/Democrats want him to? It’s a primary, I get it, but nothing would terrify them more than a Republican primary truly based on the best policies for America instead of a personal pissing match. Thx.
7:03 AM · Mar 14, 2023
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 14, 2023, 02:09:06 pm
So you are basically stating that the first two years of Biden are Trump's responsibility?  Wow, that makes the numbers even worse.

A president is tied to a previous administrations budget, probably in their first year of their presidency.

His defense of Trump’s spending binge does not pass the reality check

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 14, 2023, 02:10:13 pm
How is that anything than pathetic snowflake deflection to a statement you cannot refute?

I’ve learned to ignore that. Its his go to defense when he has nothing of substance to add.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: kevindavis007 on March 14, 2023, 02:22:11 pm
@Kevindadavison


I dunno. Maybe because you,like many RINO "Party People",think he is rude and uncouth?


@sneakypete


1. I don't like who lose to Joe Biden
2. He is to old to be President
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 14, 2023, 03:36:21 pm
@Kamaji

No,I am a realist,not a childlike dreamer that actually  thinks you can keep on voting for the Party People and make things change. Your children will end up cursing you for your Party People votes.

No, you're being a spoilt little child.  Sorry, sauce for the goose is sauce for the ganger.  All of the Trump supporters got their undies in a super-duper twist about people saying that if Trump was the nominee, they would not vote for him, and those people were accused of secretly supporting, first Clinton (in 2016) and then Biden (in 2020).  So now that the shoe's on the other foot, you get hoist on your own petard.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: cato potatoe on March 14, 2023, 03:56:33 pm
Donald is rewriting history as it appears only in his demented brain.  DeSantis was a congressman in 2018, and Adam Putnam was hardly a runaway favorite (polling in the 20s until late in the primary).  The only dead politician Trump need worry about is the one who thumped him in a debate.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 14, 2023, 05:55:26 pm

Why should I vote for a person who lost to Joe Biden?

How long have you been in a coma @kevindavis007
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 14, 2023, 06:02:27 pm
The🐰FOO
@PolitiBunny
Would someone close to Trump please tell him that he’s doing exactly what the Left/Democrats want him to? It’s a primary, I get it, but nothing would terrify them more than a Republican primary truly based on the best policies for America instead of a personal pissing match. Thx.
7:03 AM · Mar 14, 2023

Highlighting the DeSantis Congressional record (convientlently left out of his book) is not a "personal pissing match".  It's all about policy differences and RDS's propensity to hide them @mountaineer

Damn important in a primary contest.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: mountaineer on March 14, 2023, 06:05:45 pm
It's all about policy differences and RDS's propensity to hide them @mountaineer

Damn important in a primary contest.
If Trump actually were focusing on policy differences, I'd say go for it, other potential candidates are fair game. But he's not. He's only engaging in namecalling and hyperbole. DeSanctus. DeSanctimonious. Enough, already.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 14, 2023, 06:16:13 pm
If Trump actually were focusing on policy differences, I'd say go for it, other potential candidates are fair game. But he's not. He's only engaging in namecalling and hyperbole. DeSanctus. DeSanctimonious. Enough, already.

 pointing-up

This

We can weigh all the candidates records. And we will also look at Ron DeSantis along with Donald Trump.

This isn’t like, for example, the 1980 Republican primary, were both Reagan and Bush traded jabs over policy differences. This is a former president who is acting like a jilted 15-year-old girl.

This is the same former president who likes Twitter wars with the likes of Rosie O’Donnell, Meghan McCain all to the cheers of his most rabid supporters
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 14, 2023, 06:33:55 pm
pointing-up

This

We can weigh all the candidates records. And we will also look at Ron DeSantis along with Donald Trump.

This isn’t like, for example, the 1980 Republican primary, were both Reagan and Bush traded jabs over policy differences. This is a former president who is acting like a jilted 15-year-old girl.

This is the same former president who likes Twitter wars with the likes of Rosie O’Donnell, Meghan McCain all to the cheers of his most rabid supporters

It's also the same guy who loses his freaking mind if anyone criticizes him.  If you look up "he can dish it out but he can't take it", there's a picture of Trump staring you in the face.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 14, 2023, 06:50:02 pm
If Trump actually were focusing on policy differences, I'd say go for it, other potential candidates are fair game. But he's not. He's only engaging in namecalling and hyperbole. DeSanctus. DeSanctimonious. Enough, already.

Pay attention to what Trump says.....not the reporting of it.  Trump is taking on the DeSantis record across the board. Ron won't be able to run from it for much longer @mountaineer  Maybe his supporters should stop coddlng RDS and advise him to get his stories straight.  If this, too, is too harsh, then at least advise him to wear a cup.

BTW, nothing Trump does is gratuitous, emerging from a vacuum.  RDS handed the "DeSanctmonius" label (shortened to "DeSanctus" by popular demand). This campaign ad is the genesis of the nickname ---- an ad so insulting and cringe worthy it was shredded by both sides of the political aisle and removed within 24 hours.  But, it did tell us a little more about Ron's deeply held opinion of himself.   888blackhat

Video:

https://youtu.be/U9oTBA-MvZk


cc: @LMAO @Maj. Bill Martin






Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Wingnut on March 14, 2023, 06:58:43 pm
If the world was fair, Trump would be running his campaign from a Jail Cell and Joe Biden would be his cellmate.

But since it is not, we have to listen to two ass holes who ruined the economy tell how great they are.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 14, 2023, 07:05:09 pm
The problem that people like RIV have is that we do have a record when it comes to Donald Trump. We also have a record when it comes to Ron DeSantis

And that’s what we’re gonna be evaluating. Donald Trump’s catty schoolgirl comments non-with standing

What were told by Trump supporters is to ignore the record and just hear what he saying at his rallies or posted YouTube videos
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 14, 2023, 07:15:55 pm
The problem that people like RIV have is that we do have a record when it comes to Donald Trump. We also have a record when it comes to Ron DeSantis.  What were told by Trump supporters is to ignore the record and just hear what he saying at his rallies or posted YouTube videos

That is exactly the problem.  I don't trust him on policy, and even if I were to trust him, I believe he is incapable of putting together the coalitions necessary to enact those policies, or to appoint enough intelligent, conservative people to do even a half-assed job through regulations.  It's just him -- and apparently Mike Lindell and a few others -- against the world.  Great.  Freaking fills me with confidence.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: cato potatoe on March 14, 2023, 08:01:15 pm
I knew he had no idea what this word meant. 

Quote
Trump said he nicknamed DeSantis “Ron DeSanctimonious,” in reference to the lack of gratitude he claimed that DeSantis has shown after Trump bolstered his political rise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/13/trump-pence-iowa/
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 14, 2023, 08:27:49 pm
The problem that people like RIV have is that we do have a record when it comes to Donald Trump. We also have a record when it comes to Ron DeSantis

For starters, Trump has a record of four years of peace and prosperity.  You're damned right he's going to run on it. 

As for RDS, you haven't got his true and full record --- yet    @LMAO

And the next time you comment on me, how about you man up and ping me to your post?  Or is this asking too much of you?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 14, 2023, 11:28:06 pm
I knew he had no idea what this word meant. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/13/trump-pence-iowa/

Trump is psychologically  collapsing. Everyone outside his base can see it even if they don't

But, he will probably be the nominee and go on to loose to Biden or whoever the Democrats run. We just have to  make sure we keep our small House majority
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 14, 2023, 11:44:36 pm
The🐰FOO
@PolitiBunny
Would someone close to Trump please tell him that he’s doing exactly what the Left/Democrats want him to? It’s a primary, I get it, but nothing would terrify them more than a Republican primary truly based on the best policies for America instead of a personal pissing match. Thx.
7:03 AM · Mar 14, 2023

@mountaineer

Given all the RINO's in business with  their Dim pals,*I* would be surprised to see this happen.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 14, 2023, 11:45:52 pm
A president is tied to a previous administrations budget, probably in their first year of their presidency.

His defense of Trump’s spending binge does not pass the reality check

@LMAO

HorseHillary!  The bills that are unpaid at the end of the fiscal year carry on into the next year.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 14, 2023, 11:52:10 pm
No, you're being a spoilt little child.  Sorry, sauce for the goose is sauce for the ganger.  All of the Trump supporters got their undies in a super-duper twist about people saying that if Trump was the nominee, they would not vote for him, and those people were accused of secretly supporting, first Clinton (in 2016) and then Biden (in 2020).  So now that the shoe's on the other foot, you get hoist on your own petard.

@Kamaji

Trump ran against Clinton? In what universe did this happen?

And frankly,I don't give a rabid rats ass what party drones like you think because your loyalty seems to be directed more to the RNC than to America.

Guess what,Bubba. A large number of our elected Republican officials are in bed with  the DNC.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Hoodat on March 15, 2023, 12:10:23 am
@Hoodat

Announcing he is COMPETING with Trump for the  top spot isn't stabbing him in the back after the "name recognition boost" that Trump gave him by announcing he would pick him for VP?

@sneakypete

First off, DeSantis made no such announcement.  Secondly, Trump hasn't asked DeSantis to be his VP.  It would be foolish if he did since it would mean he would forfeit Florida's electoral votes in 2024.  And third, DeSantis is already governor of the third most populous State in the country.  There is no "name recognition boost" that Trump could give him.

Three false statements in a single claim.  Three.  And not one of them addresses the original question.  For the third time, how did DeSantis stab Trump in the back?  Please cite something that actually happened instead of making shit up on the fly.  Something that would constitute a betrayal of some sort, i.e. a backstabbing.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Hoodat on March 15, 2023, 12:12:09 am
Trump ran against Clinton? In what universe did this happen?

(https://imgs.search.brave.com/Cdat7eh33uYV0vK_Xh7w5TjsUHm6Dz_4SMSsFHZ_Zqc/rs:fit:720:500:1/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cu/Y2xlYXJpYXMuY29t/L3VwL3RydW1wLXZz/LWNsaW50b24uanBn)
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Hoodat on March 15, 2023, 12:21:53 am
Pay attention to what Trump says.....not the reporting of it.

You mean like when Trump says that Planned Parenthood does a lot of good things?  Or when Trump says that Charlie Crist had good numbers?  Or when Trump recites Democrat talking points on Social Security?  Or when Trump says running up huge debt is good?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: deb on March 15, 2023, 12:26:18 am
If Trump actually were focusing on policy differences, I'd say go for it, other potential candidates are fair game. But he's not. He's only engaging in namecalling and hyperbole. DeSanctus. DeSanctimonious. Enough, already.

It’s so childish. And entirely unnecessary.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: corbe on March 15, 2023, 12:45:35 am
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmPf97rgoU4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmPf97rgoU4)

 I saw this movie back in 2016.  I think Sen Cruz was the costar.



Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: massadvj on March 15, 2023, 01:05:17 am
DeSantis hasn't even announced yet, and Trump is already coming out guns a blazin'. Makes me wonder whether that CNN poll today showing Desantis in the lead has some credibility.

It might matter to Trump that DeSantis is being "disloyal," but I don't think it matters to very many Republican voters.  Personally, I want DeSantis on the ballot. The more the merrier as far as I am concerned.

If Rand Paul would run, I'd be exceptionally happy.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: corbe on March 15, 2023, 01:52:29 am
   Rand Paul would make a great Treasury Secretary in a Desantis Administration and Cruz a great AG in 2024. 

(https://cannabunga.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/girl-smoking-weed-outside.jpg)

   Trump will be our Ambassador to the UN. He always wanted that piece of property, now's the time, close it down.  Hell we financed the old Post Office in DC, we'll finance that too!
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 15, 2023, 02:13:12 am
It’s so childish. And entirely unnecessary.

Have you ever wondered why Republicans candidates lose elections @debrawiest ?    In large part it's because Republicans allow their opponents to not only define them, but also allow their opponents to blatantly rewrite their own hagiographies. Trump doesn't play this game; never has.  Eveyone knows this.

BTW, it also does DeSantis no favors to whine ad nauseam that his opponent is being too mean to him.  This only makes it even more difficult to believe RDS is ready to be the leader of the free world and a viable threat to the rest of it.  Just thought you should know.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Hoodat on March 15, 2023, 02:26:23 am
Have you ever wondered why Republicans candidates lose elections @debrawiest ?

Have you ever wondered why Trump zealots post lie after lie after lie when anyone challenges Trump's celebrity?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 15, 2023, 02:52:19 am
@sneakypete

First off, DeSantis made no such announcement.

@Hoodat 

Seriously? Hasn't his campaign made an announcement that he is getting ready to make an announcement?

Secondly, Trump hasn't asked DeSantis to be his VP.


Gee,I wonder why?

It would be foolish if he did since it would mean he would forfeit Florida's electoral votes in 2024.  And third, DeSantis is already governor of the third most populous State in the country.  There is no "name recognition boost" that Trump could give him.

WTH was THAT about?



Three false statements in a single claim. Three.

You made them,you explain them.

  And not one of them addresses the original question.  For the third time, how did DeSantis stab Trump in the back?

By running against Trump for the office of President in the upcoming Presidential elections.

You are NOT as retarded as you are trying to appear,even if you are starting to sound like a RINO or Dim smear doctor. You know all this,but think you are being clever by repeating the same lies over and over because you KNOW a certain percentage of people will believe them.

Do you get paid for being pimped out by DeSantis?

Please cite something that actually happened instead of making shit up on the fly.

I could never compete with a spin doctor like you.

 
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Hoodat on March 15, 2023, 03:11:06 am
@sneakypete

For the fourth time, how did DeSantis stab Trump in the back?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 15, 2023, 04:17:50 pm

BTW, it also does DeSantis no favors to whine ad nauseam that his opponent is being too mean to him. 

Nor does it do Trump any favors to whine ad nauseum about everyone who has been "disloyal" to him.  Which he has definitely done.

And as an aside, DeSantis hasn't once stated that Trump has been too mean to him, much less "whined ad nauseum".
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: mountaineer on March 15, 2023, 04:21:02 pm
And as an aside, DeSantis hasn't once stated that Trump has been too mean to him, much less "whined ad nauseum".
I haven't heard any of that, either.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 15, 2023, 04:22:39 pm
@sneakypete

For the fourth time, how did DeSantis stab Trump in the back?

@Hoodat

Why bother to answer your dumb-ass question when you already know the answer,and just want to get rid of the "Rude Orange Man".
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 15, 2023, 04:29:11 pm
@Hoodat

Why bother to answer your dumb-ass question when you already know the answer,and just want to get rid of the "Rude Orange Man".

Rude ...   Orange..... 

You really know the proper terminology to use when losing terribly at arguments don't you?  Silly....Silly .....Silly.....
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 15, 2023, 04:30:13 pm
Have you ever wondered why Republicans candidates lose elections @debrawiest ?    In large part it's because Republicans allow their opponents to not only define them, but also allow their opponents to blatantly rewrite their own hagiographies. Trump doesn't play this game; never has.  Eveyone knows this.

BTW, it also does DeSantis no favors to whine ad nauseam that his opponent is being too mean to him.  This only makes it even more difficult to believe RDS is ready to be the leader of the free world and a viable threat to the rest of it.  Just thought you should know.


:mauslaff:

Talk about projection.  Desantis hasn't once "whined" about Trump being mean to him.  Quite the reverse.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 15, 2023, 04:33:59 pm
Nor does it do Trump any favors to whine ad nauseum about everyone who has been "disloyal" to him. .

But, with what would you ever fill your days if he stopped?

Quote
And as an aside, DeSantis hasn't once stated that Trump has been too mean to him, much less "whined ad nauseum".

YOU are the one whining ad nauseam ------ It's starting to splatter all over DeSantis, and this not Tiny D's best look.  Just thought you'd want to know. 
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 15, 2023, 04:36:46 pm
But, with what would you ever fill your days if he stopped?

YOU are the one whining ad nauseam ------ It's starting to splatter all over DeSantis, and this not Tiny D's best look.  Just thought you'd want to know. 

:mauslaff:

Wow.  Even when you're called directly on your lies, you just can't stop lying. 
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 15, 2023, 04:37:22 pm
But, with what would you ever fill your days if he stopped?

YOU are the one whining ad nauseam ------ It's starting to splatter all over DeSantis, and this not Tiny D's best look.  Just thought you'd want to know.

@Right_in_Virginia


Do you realize that in my 7 years here, you have said ZERO negative about DJT.  No one is that perfect...   How much does he pay you, or do you have that level of "un-objectivity"?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: massadvj on March 15, 2023, 04:37:40 pm
YOU are the one whining ad nauseam ------ It's starting to splatter all over DeSantis, and this not Tiny D's best look.  Just thought you'd want to know.

This post speaks for itself. No need to comment as it reveals more about its writer than anything I can ever say.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 15, 2023, 04:38:22 pm
This post speaks for itself. No need to comment as it reveals more about its writer than anything I can ever say.

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 15, 2023, 04:40:54 pm

Talk about projection.  Desantis hasn't once "whined" about Trump being mean to him. 

YOUR whining is splattering all over Tiny D.  You're really crowding out that "courage" thing Ronny's trying to get going.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 15, 2023, 04:41:16 pm
:mauslaff:

Wow.  Even when you're called directly on your lies, you just can't stop lying.

Yeah, immediately deflected from her false claim that DeSantis was whining to accusing his supporters of whining.

Transparent as hell.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 15, 2023, 04:42:32 pm
@Right_in_Virginia


Do you realize that in my 7 years here, you have said ZERO negative about DJT.  No one is that perfect...   How much does he pay you, or do you have that level of "un-objectivity"?

Did you type this with a straight face @catfish1957 ?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 15, 2023, 04:44:19 pm
This post speaks for itself. No need to comment as it reveals more about its writer than anything I can ever say.

What does it reveal about me @massadvj
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 15, 2023, 04:48:14 pm
Did you type this with a straight face @catfish1957 ?

@Right_in_Virginia

Absolutely.  Provide me 1 even 1, example post in the 7 years that was even remotely critical of DJT.

Prove me wrong
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: DCPatriot on March 15, 2023, 04:49:04 pm
What does it reveal about me @massadvj

 happy77   :beer:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 15, 2023, 04:49:47 pm
Yeah, immediately deflected from her false claim that DeSantis was whining to accusing his supporters of whining.

Guess again, Sparky.  Here's my original post:

Have you ever wondered why Republicans candidates lose elections @debrawiest ?    In large part it's because Republicans allow their opponents to not only define them, but also allow their opponents to blatantly rewrite their own hagiographies. Trump doesn't play this game; never has.  Eveyone knows this.

BTW, it also does DeSantis no favors to whine ad nauseam that his opponent is being too mean to him.  This only makes it even more difficult to believe RDS is ready to be the leader of the free world and a viable threat to the rest of it.  Just thought you should know.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 15, 2023, 04:56:20 pm
@Right_in_Virginia

Absolutely.  Provide me 1 even 1, example post in the 7 years that was even remotely critical of DJT.

Prove me wrong

When did you become so absurdly disingenuous @catfish1957 ?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: DCPatriot on March 15, 2023, 04:57:17 pm
@Right_in_Virginia

Absolutely.  Provide me 1 even 1, example post in the 7 years that was even remotely critical of DJT.

Prove me wrong

I recall you becoming a DJT fan earlier than the madding crowd around here. 

No doubt, your love of baseball is responsible.   happy77
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 15, 2023, 04:58:36 pm
What does it reveal about me @massadvj

For one, that you're a liar.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 15, 2023, 04:59:38 pm
What does it reveal about me @massadvj

Don't run away @massadvj   You wanted my attention and you've got it. Time for you to man up and explain yourself.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 15, 2023, 05:00:15 pm
Don't run away @massadvj   You wanted my attention and you've got it. Time for you to man up and explain yourself.

:mauslaff:

Such dutch courage.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 15, 2023, 05:04:00 pm
For one, that you're a liar.

More wishful thinking from the chronically uninformed.   :boring:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 15, 2023, 05:06:40 pm
More wishful thinking from the chronically uninformed.   :boring:

:mauslaff:

You stated that Desantis was whining about Trump being mean to him.  That is a lie.  Desantis hasn't said "boo" about Trump's childish behavior.  You were called on it, and you don't even have the courage to admit you were wrong or that you "overspoke".

That says a lot about your lack of moral character.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 15, 2023, 05:11:58 pm
When did you become so absurdly disingenuous @catfish1957 ?

@Right_in_Virginia

Not disingenious.

What is disingenious is when we as conservatives all rallied around the flag for Mr. Trump during his tenure, all was fine in your eyes.   But now, when there are some decent alternatives in '24, we are seeing the same 2016 slimeball Stone/Pecker shit tactics starting  all over again.  And you are helping stoke the fires already.  Let me know...   when does the real nasty stuff start?

So don't give me that shit about expecting us to wilt in deference to another Trump term. I'm not buying it

 

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 15, 2023, 05:12:55 pm
:mauslaff:

Such dutch courage.

I love how easily entertained you are --- like a toddler.  It's rather endearing   happy77
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 15, 2023, 05:14:32 pm
Guess again, Sparky.  Here's my original post:

BTW, it also does DeSantis no favors to whine ad nauseam that his opponent is being too mean to him.  This only makes it even more difficult to believe RDS is ready to be the leader of the free world and a viable threat to the rest of it.  Just thought you should know.

Exactly.  I then directly refuted your contention that DeSantis had "whine[d] "ad nauseum" by saying:

And as an aside, DeSantis hasn't once stated that Trump has been too mean to him, much less "whined ad nauseum".

But rather than producing any evidence that DeSantis had "whined ad nauseum", you then ignored the point that DeSantis had never said that, and instead deflected that point by accusing ME of whining, which wasn't your original point at all:

YOU are the one whining ad nauseam ------ It's starting to splatter all over DeSantis, and this not Tiny D's best look.  Just thought you'd want to know.

And there it is.  You start off by accusing DeSantis himself of whining ad nauseum about Trump being "too mean", and then when it's pointed out that DeSantis hasn't done that, you then attack another poster personally.  The nice thing about it was how it was so transparent, and everyone else in the thread saw it immediately.

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Hoodat on March 15, 2023, 05:19:11 pm
For one, that you're a liar.

Constitutionally incapable of being honest.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Hoodat on March 15, 2023, 05:26:51 pm
@Hoodat

Why bother to answer your dumb-ass question when you already know the answer,and just want to get rid of the "Rude Orange Man".

@sneakypete

The "dumb-ass question" was a direct query to the dumb-ass comment you made about DeSantis stabbing Trump in the back.  YOU made the comment.  I merely asked for you to identify an instance where DeSantis had done that.  I asked because I could not come up with a single instance myself.  And since YOU were the one making the claim, I figured you would know.

It is now crystal clear that you do not.  It is also clear that the claim you made is completely devoid of truth or substance.  In other words, it is a complete fabrication - or more accurately, a lie.  Yet instead of you acknowledging that there is no truth to the claim, you continue to cling to it with dumb-ass responses like the one you just made.  But I am willing to give you another chance.  So for the fifth time, I ask you to support your claim.  How did DeSantis stab Trump in the back?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 15, 2023, 05:31:41 pm
@sneakypete

The "dumb-ass question" was a direct query to the dumb-ass comment you made about DeSantis stabbing Trump in the back.  YOU made the comment.  I merely asked for you to identify an instance where DeSantis had done that.  I asked because I could not come up with a single instance myself.  And since YOU were the one making the claim, I figured you would know.

It is now crystal clear that you do not.  It is also clear that the claim you made is completely devoid of truth or substance.  In other words, it is a complete fabrication - or more accurately, a lie.  Yet instead of you acknowledging that there is no truth to the claim, you continue to cling to it with dumb-ass responses like the one you just made.  But I am willing to give you another chance.  So for the fifth time, I ask you to support your claim.  How did DeSantis stab Trump in the back?

Why are them two so incapable of answering questions?

They throw out unsubstantiated claims and/or provable falsehoods and then they blame others for calling them out

I have a couple relatives on the left of the political spectrum that repeat well rehearsed talking points. But when force to defend their positions beyond those points, they lash out similarly
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 15, 2023, 05:51:51 pm
@sneakypete

The "dumb-ass question" was a direct query to the dumb-ass comment you made about DeSantis stabbing Trump in the back.  YOU made the comment.  I merely asked for you to identify an instance where DeSantis had done that.  I asked because I could not come up with a single instance myself.  And since YOU were the one making the claim, I figured you would know.

It is now crystal clear that you do not.  It is also clear that the claim you made is completely devoid of truth or substance.  In other words, it is a complete fabrication - or more accurately, a lie.  Yet instead of you acknowledging that there is no truth to the claim, you continue to cling to it with dumb-ass responses like the one you just made.  But I am willing to give you another chance.  So for the fifth time, I ask you to support your claim.  How did DeSantis stab Trump in the back?

His honest answer probably would be "he has stabbed Trump in the back by refusing to say he won't run in 2024, and rather obviously preparing to do exactly that."  I don't quite understand why he doesn't just say that, though.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 15, 2023, 05:55:54 pm
Constitutionally incapable of being honest.

Thanks for the correction!

:silly:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 15, 2023, 05:57:53 pm
@Right_in_Virginia

What is disingenious is when we as conservatives all rallied around the flag for Mr. Trump during his tenure, all was fine in your eyes.   But now, when there are some decent alternatives in '24, we are seeing the same 2016 slimeball Stone/Pecker shit tactics starting  all over again.  And you are helping stoke the fires already.

ME?  Do you not read the shit you've posted these past months about Trump and his supporters?  You've the absolute right to post your opinions and preferences.  But, in the name of God I'm begging you to please STOP grousing at any pushback.

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So don''t give me that shit about expecting us to wilt in deference to another Trump term.

I don't give a damn who you support or who you vote for ---- that's up to you. I also don't give a damn who your "us" is.

I do care that other Briefers and guests not walk away with the impression that everyone agrees with what the anti-Trump contingent posts over and over and over again.  I do care that Politico, The Hill, The Lincoln Project and MSNBCDNCNN not become scripture around here.

I will not apologize for this @catfish1957 ---- 
 
Enjoy the rest of your day.

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 15, 2023, 06:09:35 pm
ME?  Do you not read the shit you've posted these past months about Trump and his supporters?  You've the absolute right to post your opinions and preferences.  But, in the name of God I'm begging you to please STOP grousing at any pushback.

I don't give a damn who you support or who you vote for ---- that's up to you. I also don't give a damn who your "us" is.

I do care that other Briefers and guests not walk away with the impression that everyone agrees with what the anti-Trump contingent posts over and over and over again.  I do care that Politico, The Hill, The Lincoln Project and MSNBCDNCNN not become scripture around here.

I will not apologize for this @catfish1957 ---- 
 
Enjoy the rest of your day.




:mauslaff:

I'm taking my ball and I'm going home!
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 15, 2023, 06:11:13 pm
ME?  Do you not read the shit you've posted these past months about Trump and his supporters?  You've the absolute right to post your opinions and preferences.  But, in the name of God I'm begging you to please STOP grousing at any pushback.

I don't give a damn who you support or who you vote for ---- that's up to you. I also don't give a damn who your "us" is.

I do care that other Briefers and guests not walk away with the impression that everyone agrees with what the anti-Trump contingent posts over and over and over again.  I do care that Politico, The Hill, The Lincoln Project and MSNBCDNCNN not become scripture around here.

I will not apologize for this @catfish1957 ---- 
 
Enjoy the rest of your day.

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Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 15, 2023, 06:45:50 pm
Trump is psychologically  collapsing. Everyone outside his base can see it even if they don't

But, he will probably be the nominee and go on to loose to Biden or whoever the Democrats run. We just have to  make sure we keep our small House majority

That's probably right - Except in that the 'psychological collapse' has been there all along.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 15, 2023, 06:51:52 pm
@sneakypete

[...] DeSantis is already governor of the third most populous State in the country.  There is no "name recognition boost" that Trump could give him.

AND he made his own bones as a very, VERY successful governor.

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Please cite something that actually happened instead of making shit up on the fly.  Something that would constitute a betrayal of some sort, i.e. a backstabbing.

It ain't there.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 15, 2023, 06:55:03 pm
If Rand Paul would run, I'd be exceptionally happy.

A shoo-in for me. Rand can write his own ticket, and I will back him. He walks the walk.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 15, 2023, 06:56:33 pm
A shoo-in for me. Rand can write his own ticket, and I will back him. He walks the walk.

I was a big supporter of his father
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 15, 2023, 06:57:18 pm
Have you ever wondered why Republicans candidates lose elections @debrawiest ?    In large part it's because Republicans allow their opponents to not only define them, but also allow their opponents to blatantly rewrite their own hagiographies. Trump doesn't play this game; never has.  Eveyone knows this.


That's funny right there @Right_in_Virginia ...

Because that is what Tumpy is doing ... TO Desantis.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 15, 2023, 07:03:15 pm

:mauslaff:

I'm taking my ball and I'm going home!

On “Truth Social,” their wild claims are not challenged

Here, they are.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 15, 2023, 07:06:20 pm

And there it is.  You start off by accusing DeSantis himself of whining ad nauseum about Trump being "too mean", and then when it's pointed out that DeSantis hasn't done that, you then attack another poster personally.  The nice thing about it was how it was so transparent, and everyone else in the thread saw it immediately.


Brother, we may not always agree. But I love havin you around.
Your arguments are ironclad.

KUDOS.
 :beer:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 15, 2023, 07:11:12 pm
I was a big supporter of his father

Not me. I was not in the Paul camp. But always mad respect, at least nationally. I am not far off from him in foreign policy... but that's where the rub was.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: massadvj on March 15, 2023, 10:04:42 pm
Don't run away @massadvj   You wanted my attention and you've got it. Time for you to man up and explain yourself.

I think it reveals that you are very passionate about your politics.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 15, 2023, 10:44:22 pm
I haven't heard any of that, either.

@Maj. Bill Martin

Nor have I,but I don't follow this stuff as closely as I used to.

Then again,if DeSantis was really  slamming Trump hard,the media would be making tv specials out of it. They would kill for something like that to happen.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 15, 2023, 10:48:52 pm
When did you become so absurdly disingenuous @catfish1957 ?

@catfish1957

@Right_in_Virginia

When it began to look like Trump might take the nomination away from his/their favorite career Republican.

I have no idea why these people seem to think they can get change by voting for the same professional party  people every election.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 15, 2023, 10:52:37 pm
Why are them two so incapable of answering questions?

They throw out unsubstantiated claims and/or provable falsehoods and then they blame others for calling them out

I have a couple relatives on the left of the political spectrum that repeat well rehearsed talking points. But when force to defend their positions beyond those points, they lash out similarly

@LMAO

Speaking only for myself only,go eat Elephant feces like a good little troll. It will prepare you to vote for whatever RINO the alleged Republican Party falls behind.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 15, 2023, 10:55:39 pm
His honest answer probably would be "he has stabbed Trump in the back by refusing to say he won't run in 2024, and rather obviously preparing to do exactly that."  I don't quite understand why he doesn't just say that, though.

@Maj. Bill Martin

Probably because he doesn't really need to do that. After all,he is/will be a badge-wearing Party Candidate,not a rude orange outsider with money and an ego so big he can't be bought. As such,DeSantis can be counted on to "carry the ball" for the alleged Republican Party.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 15, 2023, 10:58:00 pm

:mauslaff:

I'm taking my ball and I'm going home!

@Kamaji

Excellent post.

Too many Republican Party regulars are busy right now  trying to derail a candidate who MIGHT beat the DNC machine,and ignorning the fact they might be shooting the RP in the foot while doing it.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 15, 2023, 11:00:14 pm
That's funny right there @Right_in_Virginia ...

Because that is what Tumpy is doing ... TO Desantis.

@roamer_1

Yeah,and he is also rude,orange,and stinking wealthy!

The FIEND!
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Hoodat on March 15, 2023, 11:02:05 pm
Too many Republican Party regulars are busy right now  trying to derail a candidate who MIGHT beat the DNC machine,

Just a reminder, this thread is about Trump trying to derail a candidate.  The irony never stops.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 15, 2023, 11:04:34 pm
@Kamaji

Excellent post.

Too many Republican Party regulars are busy right now  trying to derail a candidate who MIGHT beat the DNC machine,and ignorning the fact they might be shooting the RP in the foot while doing it.

WADR, that is precisely what Trump is doing right now - derailing the only decent candidate, out of churlish, childish spite and thin-skinned paranoia.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 15, 2023, 11:14:19 pm
WADR, that is precisely what Trump is doing right now - derailing the only decent candidate, out of churlish, childish spite and thin-skinned paranoia.

@Kamaji

Just HOW freaking blind are you,anyway?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 15, 2023, 11:16:14 pm
@Kamaji

Just HOW freaking blind are you,anyway?

:mauslaff:

Much less so than you, compadre.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: mystery-ak on March 15, 2023, 11:46:25 pm
Reading this thread I see nothing has changed since 2016.

It's going to be a long campaign season by the looks of what has been posted here....PLEASE try to curb your personal insults to other members.

I know you all can state your opinions without the insults...
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Wingnut on March 15, 2023, 11:58:32 pm


I know you all can state your opinions without the insults...

I miss sinkspur.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: mystery-ak on March 16, 2023, 01:02:53 am
I miss sinkspur.

LOL...he did have his moments..
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 16, 2023, 01:05:23 am

Brother, we may not always agree. But I love havin you around.
Your arguments are ironclad.

KUDOS.
 :beer:

Wow -- thank you very much.

:beer:

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 16, 2023, 02:19:59 am
@roamer_1

Yeah,and he is also rude,orange,and stinking wealthy!

The FIEND!

@sneakypete

What has any of that to to with him baggin on DeSantis?
That's nothin but him, his own self, being an ass.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 16, 2023, 02:38:34 am
@sneakypete

What has any of that to to with him baggin on DeSantis?
That's nothin but him, his own self, being an ass.

@roamer_1

When did YOU become Miss Manners?

Who the HELL cares about him being  rude and  combative? I see that as a major PLUS,given all the alleged Republican wusses the RNC keeps feeding us.

Looks to ME,like you people want another "party man" that will wear red,march in a straight line,and follow the  orders of his globalist RNC masters.

People like you seem to want things to operate like always when the RNC runs things and controls the candidates.

*I* want someone that is going to go in there and shake things up.

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 16, 2023, 02:46:30 am
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No @catfish1957   Not at all.  Had a very productive day and rather delicious dinner with the hubby.

Thanks for checking.  :seeya:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 16, 2023, 02:55:52 am
@roamer_1

When did YOU become Miss Manners?

Who the HELL cares about him being  rude and  combative? I see that as a major PLUS,given all the alleged Republican wusses the RNC keeps feeding us.

Looks to ME,like you people want another "party man" that will wear red,march in a straight line,and follow the  orders of his globalist RNC masters.

People like you seem to want things to operate like always when the RNC runs things and controls the candidates.

*I* want someone that is going to go in there and shake things up.

How absurd is that, @sneakypete ?

Of EVERYBODY HERE, I certainly don't fit under your ridiculously large brush.
I stopped being a Republican to destroy the obligation that demanded I vote for 'Party men'...

I DID NOT vote for McCain't.
I DID NOT vote for Romulus.
And I damn near didn't vote for Boosh.
BECAUSE they are big money globalists.

JUST LIKE Tumpy.

I want a candidate who will govern from the RIGHT.
Like Desantis has proven to do.
And like Tumpy has not.

Simple as that.
Tumpy likes left-leaning big government.
THAT is why I will never ever endorse him.
Not a chance in hell.

DeSantis, on the other hand, has a proven ability to govern from the Right.
That's why I will back him.

And that's why there ain't a damn thing Tumpy can do to make it otherwise.
Especially baggin on DeSantis.

He's a friggin jerk, and he proves it every day.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 16, 2023, 03:00:08 am
I think it reveals that you are very passionate about your politics.

At what point in their lives would you say college professors develop a terminal case of chronic condescension @massadvj ?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 16, 2023, 03:20:56 am
How absurd is that, @sneakypete ?

Of EVERYBODY HERE, I certainly don't fit under your ridiculously large brush.
I stopped being a Republican to destroy the obligation that demanded I vote for 'Party men'...

I DID NOT vote for McCain't.
I DID NOT vote for Romulus.
And I damn near didn't vote for Boosh.
BECAUSE they are big money globalists.

JUST LIKE Tumpy.

I want a candidate who will govern from the RIGHT.
Like Desantis has proven to do.
And like Tumpy has not.

Simple as that.
Tumpy likes left-leaning big government.
THAT is why I will never ever endorse him.
Not a chance in hell.

DeSantis, on the other hand, has a proven ability to govern from the Right.
That's why I will back him.

And that's why there ain't a damn thing Tumpy can do to make it otherwise.
Especially baggin on DeSantis.

He's a friggin jerk, and he proves it every day. And that's why there ain't a damn thing Tumpy can do to make it otherwise.
Especially baggin on DeSantis.
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@roamer_1

You are,right,of course. What we REALLY need running 'murika is another Gentleman Party weasel that will will cooperate with the Dims and the RINO's,and not make waves.

It should also  be noted that  he is not orange or rude.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 16, 2023, 04:11:13 am
@sneakypete


Who the HELL cares about him being  rude and  combative?

Swing voters, without which no Republican can win.

And just to be clear, there obviously are times when sticking to your principles is going to force you to be combative, and to offend some folks.  That's unavoidable.  But what is avoidable is offending swing voters unnecessarily, or just for your own amusement.  It is entirely possible to stick to your principles and not throw out gratuitous insults that alienate voters you can't afford to lose.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 16, 2023, 04:15:22 am
@roamer_1

You are,right,of course. What we REALLY need running 'murika is another Gentleman Party weasel that will will cooperate with the Dims and the RINO's,and not make waves.

It should also  be noted that  he is not orange or rude.

You have not proven that to be the case, @sneakypete .
In fact, the sign on the ground says the exact opposite:

DeSantis is the standing Conservative, NOT TUMPY.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Sighlass on March 16, 2023, 04:32:14 am
@roamer_1

Yeah,and he is also rude,orange,and stinking wealthy!

The FIEND!

I don't think any of us have a problem with rude, because there is a time and place for it. Trump just couldn't discern when and how to turn it off. Besides, sometime the truth is offensive to others, so be it. He was like a loose wire connection to a light in the bathroom, you never knew when it would complete the circuit and usually it was when you least wanted it to.

Orange: He was that, but it came off as someone who wanted to look tan but didn't have the skin type to actually pull it off. Like his tiny hands couldn't find the off button on the tanning machine. Again, just stupid stuff that only Trump seemed to care about.

Wealthy: I could care less, one way or the other, unless it blinds the person, only you and Trump seem to care... Trump for a while constantly defended his projections of being a billionaire with both barrels blazing. When the press came out saying he was over reporting his wealth, all Trump had to say was "values fluctuate and sometimes I am worth more than other times".... like all Billionaires do, their stocks wax and wane constantly depending on what the market does and what they have invested in. I invest in God, Family, and Country (a distant 3rd), but want someone that has a sensitive/honest/trustworthy finger on the first two as well as the third. Sometimes when money is no issue to you, all you want is power (even more addictive than money), thus why you see a lot of rich run for office. It is why you see some wave a rainbow flag at rallies, they want that power so much that they will cater to folks (log cabin republicans) that don't care for the first two on my list.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: dfwgator on March 16, 2023, 04:39:50 am
Trump, DeSantis,  doesn't matter...at this point, we are not voting our way out of this mess.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: art.prout on March 16, 2023, 08:38:29 am
Trump, DeSantis,  doesn't matter...at this point, we are not voting our way out of this mess.

Truer words have never been spoken.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 16, 2023, 09:37:36 am
You have not proven that to be the case, @sneakypete .
In fact, the sign on the ground says the exact opposite:

DeSantis is the standing Conservative, NOT TUMPY.

@roamer_1

I’ve learned to ignore him when he starts that orange, rude, and wealthy crap

It means he’s losing the argument but is afraid to admit it, and that’s his last resort

If he wants to vote for the same big spending politician  that helped get us into this inflationary mess, then that’s his right.

The rest of us will choose otherwise
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 16, 2023, 09:52:47 am
Trump, DeSantis,  doesn't matter...at this point, we are not voting our way out of this mess.

For the most part, I agree

Sure. Maybe we can vote for somebody to do something about the unsustainable spending especially entitlements

But how do you fix years of politicians dividing us by race, gender, sexual orientation,?

How do you fix an inner city culture that embraces violence and knocks achievement, and blames another race as the reason they have their problems?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 16, 2023, 12:24:30 pm
No @catfish1957   Not at all.  Had a very productive day and rather delicious dinner with the hubby.

Thanks for checking.  :seeya:

 :beer:

I know we butt heads sometimes, but I will always remember us manning the '20 election thread, and us reporting the fraud and the steall in the wee hours of the morning.....   "Real Time"

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,418946.700.html (https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,418946.700.html)
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 16, 2023, 03:42:09 pm
Trump, DeSantis,  doesn't matter...at this point, we are not voting our way out of this mess.

@dfwgator

I am sorry to say that I think you are right on this,but I ALSO THINK that 4 years of a bombastic and angry Trump,followed by 8 years of DeSantis after getting his "Feet wet" in Presidential politics,is the only chance we might have.

It pretty much HAS to be that was because the DNC and their RINO pals always band together to torpedo anything pro-American any first term Republican President tries to accomplish. For them,it is ALWAYS about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!" and not what is best for America.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 16, 2023, 03:44:09 pm
For the most part, I agree

Sure. Maybe we can vote for somebody to do something about the unsustainable spending especially entitlements

But how do you fix years of politicians dividing us by race, gender, sexual orientation,?

How do you fix an inner city culture that embraces violence and knocks achievement, and blames another race as the reason they have their problems?


DeSantis is making a good first shot at it, at least in Florida.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 16, 2023, 03:44:38 pm
@roamer_1

I’ve learned to ignore him when he starts that orange, rude, and wealthy crap

It means he’s losing the argument but is afraid to admit it, and that’s his last resort

If he wants to vote for the same big spending politician  that helped get us into this inflationary mess, then that’s his right.

The rest of us will choose otherwise

@LMAO

The rest of you are clueless fools for thinking you can keep doing the same thing over and over (voting for career political insiders) and get different results.

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 16, 2023, 04:10:17 pm
It pretty much HAS to be that was because the DNC and their RINO pals always band together to torpedo anything pro-American any first term Republican President tries to accomplish. For them,it is ALWAYS about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!" and not what is best for America.

They do that to any conservative President, regardless of whether it is their first or second term.  And traditionally, two-term Presidents generally get more accomplished in their first term than in their second.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 16, 2023, 04:32:11 pm
They do that to any conservative President, regardless of whether it is their first or second term.  And traditionally, two-term Presidents generally get more accomplished in their first term than in their second.

As much as I dislike Romney, he was incredibly right on one matter.

That 47% he cited that are dependant on the left hind teat of the Fedzilla Hog are not going to want to lose those entitlements. And it is near impossible to beat an electorate with a base like that. 

That is why we may never see another Republican, much less a conservative as president.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 16, 2023, 04:36:32 pm
As much as I dislike Romney, he was incredibly right on one matter.

That 47% he cited that are dependant on the left hind teat of the Fedzilla Hog are not going to want to lose those entitlements. And it is near impossible to beat an electorate with a base like that. 

That is why we may never see another Republican, much less a conservative as president.

It will probably have to get really bad for there to be a change. We already have the two top tier candidates for both parties, Trump and Biden, already promising to spend more.

And even though Romney was right, saying it out loud, got him in trouble.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 16, 2023, 04:47:22 pm
@LMAO

The rest of you are clueless fools for thinking you can keep doing the same thing over and over (voting for career political insiders) and get different results.

Again, if you wanna keep voting for the same politicians that help put us in this unsustainable debt and this inflationary mess, be my guest

Me? I prefer candidates that have at least a basic understanding of mathematics

And, sorry to inform you, despite your insistence, Trump did not inherit all the spending from Obama that he couldn’t do anything about. Stop making him into a victim.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 16, 2023, 05:00:44 pm
Again, if you wanna keep voting for the same politicians that help put us in this unsustainable debt and this inflationary mess, be my guest

Me? I prefer candidates that have at least a basic understanding of mathematics

And, sorry to inform you, despite your insistence, Trump did not inherit all the spending from Obama that he couldn’t do anything about. Stop making him into a victim.

And sadly, Trunp at least early on in the '16 campaign stated he would address the deficit.....   

Wow, were we ever duped.   
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 16, 2023, 05:02:49 pm
Again, if you wanna keep voting for the same politicians that help put us in this unsustainable debt and this inflationary mess, be my guest

Me? I prefer candidates that have at least a basic understanding of mathematics

And, sorry to inform you, despite your insistence, Trump did not inherit all the spending from Obama that he couldn’t do anything about. Stop making him into a victim.

And the fact that  Trump's lackeys have  filed a campaign ethics complaint against DeSantis this early, is all you really need to know about DJT.

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 16, 2023, 05:06:44 pm
And the fact that  Trump's lackeys have  filed a campaign ethics complaint against DeSantis this early, is all you really need to know about DJT.

Yeah, that was pretty comical

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 16, 2023, 05:18:38 pm
As much as I dislike Romney, he was incredibly right on one matter.

That 47% he cited that are dependant on the left hind teat of the Fedzilla Hog are not going to want to lose those entitlements. And it is near impossible to beat an electorate with a base like that. 

That is why we may never see another Republican, much less a conservative as president.

No question about that.  It is almost impossible to reverse any entitlement once it is in place.  The only real success I can think of in that regard was welfare reform in the early 90's.  But it may be too late for that now.  The "gimme's" may well outnumber the rest of us at this point.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 16, 2023, 05:55:25 pm
If he wants to vote for the same big spending politician  that helped get us into this inflationary mess, then that’s his right

The rest of us will choose otherwise

YEP. And i will certainly choose otherwise - The thing folks don't understand is that the very same big government that is over us now, is the very same big government that Tumpy presided over.

LITERALLY the very same thing.

What I am looking for is someone who will slash and burn, and make the government substantially smaller, so the next time the Democrats get it, it is less powerful than the last time.

Less money nearly evenly means less powerful, and that is a suitable bellwether.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 16, 2023, 06:00:25 pm
@LMAO

The rest of you are clueless fools for thinking you can keep doing the same thing over and over (voting for career political insiders) and get different results.

@sneakypete


The thing that is being done over and over is big government. Doesn't matter which side.

Don't come after small government Conservatives (the only kind there are), who are the ONLY ones trying to curb the beast.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 16, 2023, 06:02:21 pm
@sneakypete


The thing that is being done over and over is big government. Doesn't matter which side.

Don't come after small government Conservatives (the only kind there are), who are the ONLY ones trying to curb the beast.

Small government conservative?  As far as on the legislative level, that animal is about extinct.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 16, 2023, 06:34:14 pm
Small government conservative?  As far as on the legislative level, that animal is about extinct.

So it seems... Which is why I will vote for so few.
They are spending my great-grandchildren's liberty, treasure, and legacy,

And nobody gives a damn.
How can that be?
The bastards are robbing us blind.  And folks vote for MORE.  9999hair out0000
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 16, 2023, 06:40:22 pm
They do that to any conservative President, regardless of whether it is their first or second term.  And traditionally, two-term Presidents generally get more accomplished in their first term than in their second.

@Maj. Bill Martin

True,but whoever gets elected as president next will be facing problems even worse that faced FDR when he was elected,and look at what FDR did/had to do (I have no idea if all of this was "dream" or something he was forced to do by the situation he faced) in order to get America back on her feet again.

And make no mistake about it,if our next President is a Dim or a RINO,America WILL face total bankruptcy.

Truth to tell,I think the actual plan is to bankrupt the entire free world so the international banking families can take over control of the whole world.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 16, 2023, 06:41:58 pm
As much as I dislike Romney, he was incredibly right on one matter.

That 47% he cited that are dependant on the left hind teat of the Fedzilla Hog are not going to want to lose those entitlements. And it is near impossible to beat an electorate with a base like that. 

That is why we may never see another Republican, much less a conservative as president.

@catfish1957

Sadly,you are probably right on that unless we get VERY lucky and elect a President and Congress that isn't afraid of "throwing political bombs".
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 16, 2023, 06:45:43 pm
Again, if you wanna keep voting for the same politicians that help put us in this unsustainable debt and this inflationary mess, be my guest

Me? I prefer candidates that have at least a basic understanding of mathematics

And, sorry to inform you, despite your insistence, Trump did not inherit all the spending from Obama that he couldn’t do anything about. Stop making him into a victim.

@LMAO

BullBush! Granted,he didn't do as much as he could have if he had the staff he needed to support him and keep him advised on what was going on,but he did the best he could do against an entrenched Dim and RINO enemy.

I suspect he has learned his lessons now about who he nominates/hires to advise him and keep him up to date,plus since he will be a "One Termer",so he won't have to "play nice" with the weasels in Congress.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 16, 2023, 06:47:43 pm
And the fact that  Trump's lackeys have  filed a campaign ethics complaint against DeSantis this early, is all you really need to know about DJT.

@catfish1957

Wassa madda,little boy?

Did someone hurts your feelings by defending themselves against DeSantis?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 16, 2023, 06:48:26 pm
@LMAO

BullBush! Granted,he didn't do as much as he could have if he had the staff he needed to support him and keep him advised on what was going on,but he did the best he could do against an entrenched Dim and RINO enemy.

I suspect he has learned his lessons now about who he nominates/hires to advise him and keep him up to date,plus since he will be a "One Termer",so he won't have to "play nice" with the weasels in Congress.

I figure at some point, you’ll exhaust all the ridiculous excuses
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 16, 2023, 06:49:55 pm
No question about that.  It is almost impossible to reverse any entitlement once it is in place.  The only real success I can think of in that regard was welfare reform in the early 90's.  But it may be too late for that now.  The "gimme's" may well outnumber the rest of us at this point.

@Maj. Bill Martin

That,and all the "gimme more!" votes from illegals was what the open border fights were all about. The Dims wanted these people in the country because they KNEW they would be dependent on the government for several years at a minimun,and would vote Dim.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 16, 2023, 06:52:37 pm
@sneakypete


The thing that is being done over and over is big government. Doesn't matter which side.

Don't come after small government Conservatives (the only kind there are), who are the ONLY ones trying to curb the beast.

@roamer_1

Yeah,trying to curb it by working frantically to try to make sure the ONLY candidate running that would be in a situation where he MIGHT be able to cure it,doesn't get elected.

What a CLEVER plan! It's like shooting yourself in the foot before entering a dance contest.

@
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 16, 2023, 06:59:20 pm
@roamer_1

Yeah,trying to curb it by working frantically to try to make sure the ONLY candidate running that would be in a situation where he MIGHT be able to cure it,doesn't get elected.

What a CLEVER plan! It's like shooting yourself in the foot before entering a dance contest.

@

He’s not even running on reducing the size of the federal government or controlling spending. In fact, he’s running on doing the opposite.

Should he get the nomination, the only difference between him and Biden when it comes to spending is their party labels

Trump left office with nearly $8 trillion added onto an already unsustainable debt that he inherited. That’s not an endorsement for giving him another term.

If you want to vote for him and he’s your guy, that’s your business. But quit trying to change history.

I’m not a big government, big spending populist. My political philosophy is best reflected by my Barry Goldwater quote in my tag line.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: cato potatoe on March 16, 2023, 07:09:50 pm

Yeah,trying to curb it by working frantically to try to make sure the ONLY candidate running that would be in a situation where he MIGHT be able to cure it,doesn't get elected.

Trump will not cut spending.  He had four years, and it didn’t happen.  But even if he were the person you imagined, he first would need to win the general election.  What Biden states will Trump flip, and what makes you think he will hold all of the ones he carried in 2020?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 16, 2023, 07:12:54 pm
Trump will not cut spending. 

He’s already making it clear he has no desire to do it. No to any entitlement reform and now no to dumping ethanol subsidies.

I am bracing myself for when he promises universal healthcare
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 16, 2023, 08:58:45 pm

Did someone hurts your feelings by defending themselves against DeSantis?


You keep saying that @sneakypete
DeSantis did nothing that I know of against Tump.
Tumpy just came out talking smack - For no reason. A YEAR early.
Likely because he can feel that DeSantis can kick his ass.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 16, 2023, 09:02:45 pm
@roamer_1

Yeah,trying to curb it by working frantically to try to make sure the ONLY candidate running that would be in a situation where he MIGHT be able to cure it,doesn't get elected.

What a CLEVER plan! It's like shooting yourself in the foot before entering a dance contest.

@

Total bullcrap!

The RECORD denies you. Tumpy did nothing toward smaller government. NOTHING at all.In fact the opposite is true @sneakypete . He GREW government exponentially.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 16, 2023, 09:16:21 pm
@LMAO

BullBush! Granted,he didn't do as much as he could have if he had the staff he needed to support him and keep him advised on what was going on,but he did the best he could do against an entrenched Dim and RINO enemy.

What were the steps he took to reduce the deficit?  I mean, even if they didn't pass, what were Trump's concrete proposals to do that?

Quote
plus since he will be a "One Termer",so he won't have to "play nice" with the weasels in Congress.

I didn't see him do that the first time around.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 16, 2023, 09:39:45 pm
What were the steps he took to reduce the deficit?  I mean, even if they didn't pass, what were Trump's concrete proposals to do that?

I didn't see him do that the first time around.

His supporters are looking at re-nominating him as a “revenge term.” Look at the language they use. It’s more of taking on RINOs and Democrats than governing. They feel he was ripped off in his first term and they’re not entirely wrong. The two sham impeachments, an investigation based on phony documents, a Hunter Biden laptop story cover up. So  in their minds, he’s entitled to another term so he can get back at his political enemies and theirs. While from Trump’s perspective, that’s understandable, that’s not what you want in a president.

They cannot make the case why Trump should get a second term were he can add another seven, eight, or even $10 trillion to an already out of control debt.

Is DeSantis the guy to do it? I don’t know. But  I know from Trump’s record and current rhetoric he’s not.

Oh sure, you’ll hear claims like “he didn’t know the system during his first term, but he knows it now so now it will be different.” But there’s no indication any of that’s true
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 16, 2023, 09:49:17 pm

Is DeSantis the guy to do it? I don’t know. But  I know from Trump’s record and current rhetoric he’s not.

That's right.... Look at it this way: First, do no harm.
I know it takes a loooong time to fix things. I ain't looking for magic.
But at least a fella should be held to preserve the principles he is standing upon.

Can he fix it? Maybe not. But at least he should make it no worse.

The destruction wrought on libertarianism and fiscal conservatism are unconscionable. Egregious.

That cannot be alright. That cannot be rewarded.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: corbe on March 16, 2023, 10:02:39 pm
   If he's reelected, he'll be influenced by the same NY CRAP he was before, Ivanka, Jared and Jr.  He Hired/Fired 3 Chiefs of Staff to make that happen.  Do you think it'll be any different in a second term?  He can't even beat an old fool who didn't even run a campaign. 
   How stoned are you?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 16, 2023, 10:14:21 pm
Although spending is the main issue for me, there are some Trump era issues that he was right on that I want all Republican candidates to embrace.

The border and energy production are the two biggies. And slashing regulations so businesses can have a breather and grow.

At least under Trump I felt good about my 401(k). Under Biden,  I’m thankful if the DOW only drops two or 300 points.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Polly Ticks on March 17, 2023, 03:01:16 am
At least under Trump I felt good about my 401(k). Under Biden,  I’m thankful if the DOW only drops two or 300 points.

No kidding.
 9999hair out0000
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 17, 2023, 04:27:33 pm
DeSantis is making a good first shot at it, at least in Florida.

InteractivePolls
@IAPolls2022

2024 Florida Republican Primary

• Trump — 47%
• DeSantis — 44%
• Pence — 4%
• Haley — 2%
• T. Scott — 1%
• Pompeo — 1%

Emerson (A-)  | Mar 13-15 | 443 RV
https://emersoncollegepolling.com/florida-2024-trump-and-desantis-in-two-way-race-for-gop-nomination/

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6:18 AM · Mar 17, 2023
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 17, 2023, 04:55:32 pm
@LMAO

The rest of you are clueless fools for thinking you can keep doing the same thing over and over (voting for career political insiders) and get different results.

The voters appear to be figuring out that an establishment candidate is NOT the answer @sneakypete   :crossed:

InteractivePolls
@IAPolls2022


2024 Texas Republican primary polling trends by @CWS_Research
 
November:
• DeSantis — 43%
• Trump — 32%
• Pence — 5%

January:
• Trump — 36%
• DeSantis — 35%
• Pence — 5%

MARCH:
• Trump — 43%
• DeSantis — 27%
• Haley — 5%

✅ Net 27 POINT swing towards Trump


1:30 PM · Mar 16, 2023
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 17, 2023, 08:33:50 pm
Polls mean nothing. And less than nothing a full year too early.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 17, 2023, 08:41:02 pm
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I am already on the record as saying I will NOT vote for DeSantis regardless of who the Dim candidate is.

My friend, before you go off about reading comprehension problems, you might want to reread that post of mine you just quoted, where I said:

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Perhaps not you (I honestly don't remember), but many.

 ****slapping


Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: cato potatoe on March 17, 2023, 09:23:07 pm
If you believe the Emerson poll, Trump is probably going to lose Florida to Biden.  You'd better hope that is wrong.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 17, 2023, 09:29:56 pm
Polls mean nothing. And less than nothing a full year too early.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: mountaineer on March 17, 2023, 09:31:15 pm
Polls mean nothing. And less than nothing a full year too early.
I seem to recall that no one thought pre-1976 Jimmy Carter was a viable candidate, either. We still have over 1-1/2 years to go (heaven help us).
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 17, 2023, 09:39:18 pm
I seem to recall that no one thought pre-1976 Jimmy Carter was a viable candidate, either. We still have over 1-1/2 years to go (heaven help us).

Good Lord help us all. I sure as H-E-Double hockey sticks AIN'T looking forward to an extended silly season.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 17, 2023, 09:51:53 pm
My friend, before you go off about reading comprehension problems, you might want to reread that post of mine you just quoted, where I said:

 ****slapping

@Maj. Bill Martin

I have no problem with reading  comprehension,but thanks to Chemo Brian,I do have memory problems.

My apologies.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 17, 2023, 09:53:26 pm
I seem to recall that no one thought pre-1976 Jimmy Carter was a viable candidate, either. We still have over 1-1/2 years to go (heaven help us).

@mountaineer

I STILL don't believe that Bozo was a viable candidate.

The DNC must have rigged that election.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 17, 2023, 10:06:33 pm
I seem to recall that no one thought pre-1976 Jimmy Carter was a viable candidate, either. We still have over 1-1/2 years to go (heaven help us).

Same with Bill Clinton pre 1992
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 18, 2023, 04:47:03 am
@Maj. Bill Martin

I have no problem with reading  comprehension,but thanks to Chemo Brian,I do have memory problems.

My apologies.

:beer:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: NavyCanDo on March 18, 2023, 10:16:47 pm
Have we learned nothing from 2016 and 2020?  Trump lashes out, insults and degrades any opponent and his MAGA loyalists follow suit. Evidence of that right here on this page.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 18, 2023, 11:02:43 pm
Have we learned nothing from 2016 and 2020?  Trump lashes out, insults and degrades any opponent and his MAGA loyalists follow suit. Evidence of that right here on this page.

Unfortunately, they've convinced themselves this is part of a strategic campaign tactic.

Not all of them. But two in particular.

And, although I wouldn't use the word cult, there is a sort of near messianic hope that he will be the one to "restore America" but never really define specifically what that means beyond their own personal hopes. It's a deep, emotional bond that will never be broken regardless what he does.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: corbe on March 18, 2023, 11:19:45 pm
   I guess the new norm is Reality TV Stars dictate our Presidential Elections.   It's all in the Ratings, I guess. 
   When has ever a Presidential Election unfolded as this one? 

   Right out of the gate Trump and his Producers have to decide what direction they want to take this Season.
 
   1. ATTACK the guy that beat ya (Best Option)
   2. Defend Your Record
   3. ATTACK the upstart Gov in your own Party that's gonna kick you a$$
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 19, 2023, 03:37:47 am
Have we learned nothing from 2016 and 2020?  Trump lashes out, insults and degrades any opponent and his MAGA loyalists follow suit. Evidence of that right here on this page.

@NavyCanDo

Yeah,you are right. MUCH mo betta to drop your drawers and bend over and spread your cheeks,like the RINO's do.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 19, 2023, 03:30:43 pm
@NavyCanDo

Yeah,you are right. MUCH mo betta to drop your drawers and bend over and spread your cheeks,like the RINO's do.

There are a fair number of Republica .voters who believe that the tone used towards fellow Republicans should be different from the scoreched-earth tone that may be appropriate against the left.

I know that a lot of Trump supporters believe otherwise, which is one of the reasons why we won't be supporting the same candidates in the primaries.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 19, 2023, 06:53:08 pm
Trump is similar to one of those little yappy dogs that continuously barks at guest but once someon slaps it on it’s snout, it shuts up and goes to its bed

Trump is still at the yapping stage
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 19, 2023, 07:01:45 pm
Have we learned nothing from 2016 and 2020?  Trump lashes out, insults and degrades any opponent and his MAGA loyalists follow suit. Evidence of that right here on this page.

@NavyCanDo you are correct.  The last thing that the GOP needs is a repeat of '16 and '22.  As for the MAGA loyalists, they will never admit DJT's faults; they are delusional.  Yes he was a good president, but to bow down and worship him is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Wingnut on March 19, 2023, 07:08:32 pm
Trump is similar to one of those little yappy dogs that continuously barks at guest but once someon slaps it on it’s snout, it shuts up and goes to its bed

Trump is still at the yapping stage


Fits trump to a tee. A flea bag yapping mutt.
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Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: mountaineer on March 19, 2023, 07:25:14 pm
Reagan's 11th Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of thy fellow Republican.
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The Ronald Reagan 11th commandment wasn’t necessarily set in stone like the rest of them—but perhaps it should have been. His famed 11th commandment dictated that Republicans, who were struggling to repair party rifts, needed to keep their dialogue and discourse with and about one another above board. It’s an idea that many in the Republican Party have been yearning to get back to.

Reagan reportedly pledged to follow the 11th commandment during his run for governor of California in the mid-1960s and stayed true to its principle throughout his entire career in public office. Pundits have speculated that his support for diplomacy among Republicans stemmed from a number of areas, but all agree that it had an unparalleled impact on the country, especially the Republican Party.  ...  Reagan knew that division and divisiveness wouldn’t help the party rebound from the presidential loss; rather, he saw the path forward as being reliant on unity. If the party was going to take back the White House, Reagan believed, it couldn’t get to that point if its leaders didn’t agree on what comprises the basic Republican ideals. Further, attacking or maligning other Republican figureheads would only keep the party further from its goals. ...
https://www.reagan.com/ronald-reagan-the-11th-commandment
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 19, 2023, 07:41:28 pm
There are a fair number of Republica .voters who believe that the tone used towards fellow Republicans should be different from the scoreched-earth tone that may be appropriate against the left.

I know that a lot of Trump supporters believe otherwise, which is one of the reasons why we won't be supporting the same candidates in the primaries.

@Maj. Bill Martin

All true.

But,IMNSHO,all this trashing Trump BY alleged Republicans this early can do nothing but HURT the election chances of Trump OR ANY OTHER REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.

All these anti-Trumpers ranting and raving against Trump 24/7 is the equivalent of getting drunk before going to take your drivers license test.

Notice how even the left rarely tries to slam him anymore in the media (which THEY control)? It's because they don't have to when all the "Miss Manners Republicans" are doing it for them.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 19, 2023, 08:51:10 pm
@Maj. Bill Martin

All true.

But,IMNSHO,all this trashing Trump BY alleged Republicans this early can do nothing but HURT the election chances of Trump OR ANY OTHER REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.

All these anti-Trumpers ranting and raving against Trump 24/7 is the equivalent of getting drunk before going to take your drivers license test.

I actually agree with that, and it's the same thought I had during his Presidency.  Just because you may not support all of his actions doesn't mean you have to focus on those disagreements publicly.  The media and Democrats do enough of that on their own.  Republicans should focus their attention on criticizing the things Democrats do that aren't being covered by the media.  And I'd point out that while some criticize DeSantis for not "firing back" at Trump, implying that makes him weak, that actually means he's doing what he should be doing, and focusing on Dems rather than other Republicans.

Flip side is that I have zero sympathy for Trump personally if other Republicans turn on him publicly, even though I think it's stupid.  He's the one who established in 2015-16 that he'd trash other Republicans if he thought it got him closer to the nomination or Presidency.

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Notice how even the left rarely tries to slam him anymore in the media (which THEY control)? It's because they don't have to when all the "Miss Manners Republicans" are doing it for them.

I agree.  But then, if you're the guy who started the fight, you don't really have grounds to complain when the crap starts flying your way.  I'm not really sure what he thought would happen, to be honest.  You do the "low energy Jeb" thing, and his family -- and all their friends -- are going to hate you.  He went after Elaine Chao, and now McConnell wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.  Predictable as hell.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 19, 2023, 08:56:55 pm
@Maj. Bill Martin

All true.

But,IMNSHO,all this trashing Trump BY alleged Republicans this early can do nothing but HURT the election chances of Trump OR ANY OTHER REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.

All these anti-Trumpers ranting and raving against Trump 24/7 is the equivalent of getting drunk before going to take your drivers license test.

Notice how even the left rarely tries to slam him anymore in the media (which THEY control)? It's because they don't have to when all the "Miss Manners Republicans" are doing it for them.

@sneakypete I have never claimed to be an "anti-Trumper".  I'm just calling the situation as I see it.  Trump going after a very good, conservative and popular governor for no reason and before he's even announced he's running, makes him look childish and foolish.  He's not doing himself any favors nor the Republican party.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 19, 2023, 09:20:13 pm
Trump going after a very good, conservative and popular governor for no reason and before he's even announced he's running, makes him look childish and foolish.  He's not doing himself any favors nor the Republican party.

And if Trump is going to go after other Republicans like that, he shouldn't be shocked if there isn't an outpouring of support in his defense.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 19, 2023, 09:44:33 pm
Should Desantis announce, expect full frontal temper tantrum from Trump. I'm talking back on the floor, stomping elbows and heels and shaking head yelling, "it's mine" repeatedly.

Hell, he's close to doing that now. DeSantis would then need to be the "happy warrior" as Reagan was. Of course, he'll have to get through the primary, first. And, should he win the GOP primary, expect cries of "stolen election" from Trump and his supporters
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 19, 2023, 09:46:10 pm
@sneakypete I have never claimed to be an "anti-Trumper".  I'm just calling the situation as I see it.  Trump going after a very good, conservative and popular governor for no reason and before he's even announced he's running, makes him look childish and foolish.  He's not doing himself any favors nor the Republican party.

@libertybele

So,you don't think DeSantis owes Trump any favors after Trump endorsed him for his run for Governor,and helped him squeek past his opponent and get elected?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 19, 2023, 09:48:11 pm
Should Desantis announce, expect full frontal temper tantrum from Trump. I'm talking back on the floor, stomping elbows and heels and shaking head yelling, "it's mine" repeatedly.

Hell, he's close to doing that now. DeSantis would then need to be the "happy warrior" as Reagan was. Of course, he'll have to get through the primary, first. And, should he win the GOP primary, expect cries of "stolen election" from Trump and his supporters

@LMAO

Quit lying about it. You hate Trump because he is rich and rude.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 19, 2023, 09:56:34 pm
@LMAO
 because he is rich and rude.

"Sigh"

We all are aware of that as you tell us in every post

You forgot "orange" this time
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 19, 2023, 09:58:43 pm
@libertybele

So,you don't think DeSantis owes Trump any favors after Trump endorsed him for his run for Governor,and helped him squeek past his opponent and get elected?

Trump endorsed DeSantis for the 2018 election, and to the extent DeSantis owed him for that, it was for the 2020 election.  And in fact, DeSantis did support Trump in 2020, and Trump's margin of victory in Florida in 2020 was twice what he won by in 2016.  Debt paid.

This isn't The Godfather, where you do a favor for someone and they owe you for the rest of their life.  Expecting a 2018 endorsement to still obligate someone to support you for President six years later isn't reasonable.    Ultimately, I kind of dislike the whole idea of "owing" someone your political support period.  Because ultimately, every politician's first loyalty should be to the country, and to the people who elected you.  And fulfilling that loyalty requires that you support whomever you believe to be the best person for the job, not the person to whom you owe some personal debt.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 19, 2023, 10:15:26 pm
Trump endorsed DeSantis for the 2018 election, and to the extent DeSantis owed him for that, it was for the 2020 election.  And in fact, DeSantis did support Trump in 2020, and Trump's margin of victory in Florida in 2020 was twice what he won by in 2016.  Debt paid.

This isn't The Godfather, where you do a favor for someone and they owe you for the rest of their life.  Expecting a 2018 endorsement to still obligate someone to support you for President six years later isn't reasonable.    Ultimately, I kind of dislike the whole idea of "owing" someone your political support period.  Because ultimately, every politician's first loyalty should be to the country, and to the people who elected you.  And fulfilling that loyalty requires that you support whomever you believe to be the best person for the job, not the person to whom you owe some personal debt.

Right

Were did this "Trump is owed the nomination" idea come from

I'd like to see more candidates. Hell, Rand Paul should throw his hat in, also. He'll  have to put up with "Paul Ryan globaist RINO" tirade from Trump and his supporters if he does. But it gives us more choices to weigh
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 19, 2023, 10:23:31 pm

"Sigh"

We all are aware of that as you tell us in every post


@LMAO

Well,you are simple folk,and need to be reminded on a daily basis.





Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 19, 2023, 10:25:26 pm
Right

Were did this "Trump is owed the nomination" idea come from

@LMAO

From the alleged minds of people like you,who  are rabid anti-Trumpers.

 
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 19, 2023, 10:27:15 pm
Right

Were did this "Trump is owed the nomination" idea come from


From people like you who blindly hate "Rude Orange Man".

NONE of you people seem to care who  the next President is,as long as it isn't Trump.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Wingnut on March 19, 2023, 10:33:50 pm



NONE of you people seem to care who  the next President is,as long as it isn't Trump.

Very true.  We want someone better than Trump.  Trump is a washed up POS. His Use by date has long passed.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 19, 2023, 10:46:54 pm

From people like you who blindly hate "Rude Orange Man".

NONE of you people seem to care who  the next President is,as long as it isn't Trump.


Blindly hate? Well that's still bullcrap. I don't hate anyone.

I will never support Tumpy strictly because of the egregious damage he did as president to both libertarianism and fiscal conservatism.

Libertarianism and fiscal conservatism are the inarguable root of Conservatism.
Awful, terrible damage to Conservatism.

And somehow you want that overlooked. Never ever going to happen.

You can keep your big government candidate. No help from me.
And in fact, I will stand loudly against him... And those who insist he wears the conservative mantle,

He does NOT. And he CANNOT.
End of story.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: txradioguy on March 19, 2023, 11:10:01 pm
Reagan's 11th Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of thy fellow Republican. https://www.reagan.com/ronald-reagan-the-11th-commandment

Trump detested Reagan. Compared him to Gorbachev when he testified for the Dems about Reagan closing tax loopholes in the 80’s.

Trump only cares about Trump. And I think he’s sadly mistaken if he thinks the crap he pulled in the Primaries in 2015-16 will work again this time.

Especially if DeSantis does decide to run. 
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 19, 2023, 11:40:55 pm
Trump detested Reagan.

Still does

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/trump-linking-reagan-desantis-backfire
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LadyLiberty on March 20, 2023, 04:49:32 am
@NavyCanDo

Yeah,you are right. MUCH mo betta to drop your drawers and bend over and spread your cheeks,like the RINO's do.
LOL this kind of response is why I have to dismiss everything you say and can't take you seriously. Not only on this subject,  but everything.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 20, 2023, 06:35:20 am
@sneakypete I have never claimed to be an "anti-Trumper".  I'm just calling the situation as I see it.  Trump going after a very good, conservative and popular governor for no reason and before he's even announced he's running, makes him look childish and foolish.  He's not doing himself any favors nor the Republican party.

Why do you keep saying "Trump going after DeSantis for no reason" @libertybele when DeSantis is trying to get his fabricated hagiography carved into stone and all Trump is doing is pointing it out  -----  the DeSantis omissions and editing are glaring.

BTW, the whole damn political world knows DeSantis cannot officially announce his candidacy until his statehouse straightens out that pesky resign to run for Federal office thing you've got down there in the free state of Florida.  But, DeSantis already has his donor checks, and his campaign staff and establishment handlers are actively controlling his every move and statement.  Hell, the dude is already campaigning.

So where is it written that Trump (or anyone) has to wait for DeSantis to nail down his job for after he loses the primary before treating him as the opponent he already is? 
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 20, 2023, 07:14:17 am
Reagan's 11th Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of thy fellow Republican.

The phrase was coined in the 1960s by Gaylord Parkinson, who was the state chairman of California Republicans at the time.

Reagan first talked about the “eleventh commandment” in 1966, when he was running for governor of California.

At the time, Reagan had just switched parties and his Republican opponents were using this against him --- effectively.  Reagan used Parkinson's words to shield himself from political destruction,  not the Republican Party.

IMO, the "commandment"  served Reagan well through the rest of his political career, blocking attacks and feeding his affable schtick.  He was, if nothing else, politically saavy.

Still, I can't help but wonder if Reagan's rolling in his grave knowing Republicans are still using this silly catchphrase ---- and at the precise moment a fight for the soul of the Party is desperately needed.   :pondering:




Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: art.prout on March 20, 2023, 09:20:51 am
The phrase was coined in the 1960s by Gaylord Parkinson, who was the state chairman of California Republicans at the time.

Reagan first talked about the “eleventh commandment” in 1966, when he was running for governor of California.

At the time, Reagan had just switched parties and his Republican opponents were using this against him --- effectively.  Reagan used Parkinson's words to shield himself from political destruction,  not the Republican Party.

IMO, the "commandment"  served Reagan well through the rest of his political career, blocking attacks and feeding his affable schtick.  He was, if nothing else, politically saavy.

Still, I can't help but wonder if Reagan's rolling in his grave knowing Republicans are still using this silly catchphrase ---- and at the precise moment a fight for the soul of the Party is desperately needed.   :pondering:

It is absolutely asinine, and those using it should know better.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: art.prout on March 20, 2023, 09:21:57 am
Why do you keep saying "Trump going after DeSantis for no reason" @libertybele when DeSantis is trying to get his fabricated hagiography carved into stone and all Trump is doing is pointing it out  -----  the DeSantis omissions and editing are glaring.

BTW, the whole damn political world knows DeSantis cannot officially announce his candidacy until his statehouse straightens out that pesky resign to run for Federal office thing you've got down there in the free state of Florida.  But, DeSantis already has his donor checks, and his campaign staff and establishment handlers are actively controlling his every move and statement. Hell, the dude is already campaigning.

So where is it written that Trump (or anyone) has to wait for DeSantis to nail down his job for after he loses the primary before treating him as the opponent he already is?

For some "odd" reason, the blind refuse to acknowledge that.

 888high58888
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: art.prout on March 20, 2023, 09:24:35 am
LOL this kind of response is why I have to dismiss everything you say and can't take you seriously. Not only on this subject,  but everything.

Oh!  What a shame!  I am sure that he is crying in his cereal over that.  tri22
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 20, 2023, 01:25:54 pm
Why do you keep saying "Trump going after DeSantis for no reason" @libertybele when DeSantis is trying to get his fabricated hagiography carved into stone and all Trump is doing is pointing it out  -----  the DeSantis omissions and editing are glaring.

BTW, the whole damn political world knows DeSantis cannot officially announce his candidacy until his statehouse straightens out that pesky resign to run for Federal office thing you've got down there in the free state of Florida.  But, DeSantis already has his donor checks, and his campaign staff and establishment handlers are actively controlling his every move and statement.  Hell, the dude is already campaigning.

So where is it written that Trump (or anyone) has to wait for DeSantis to nail down his job for after he loses the primary before treating him as the opponent he already is?

Trump is Trump and if he wants to resort back to bullying and name calling that's up to him.  But people are tired of his crappola. DeSantis isn't campaigning he's addressing his constituents and remains in touch especially with those impacted by Ian.  He's doing his job @Right_in_Virginia.

I know you see DeSantis as a huge threat to Trump so if you want to try to make a good conservative  governor look bad, have at it. I don't care to participate in that game.  :seeya:

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 20, 2023, 01:56:29 pm
LOL this kind of response is why I have to dismiss everything you say and can't take you seriously. Not only on this subject,  but everything.

@LadyLiberty

Awwww,da poor Bay-Bay
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 20, 2023, 03:25:54 pm
Some folks are deliberately misrepresenting the 11th Commandment.  It does not say you cannot very strongly disagree with the policies advocated by another Republican, or the actions they have taken. Reagan did exactly that when he ran against Ford in 1976, and again when he ran against Bush in 1980.  Likewise, it is perfectly possible to disagree strongly with the policies or actions being advocated or taken by another Republican today without violating the 11 Commandment.

What it is about is not "speaking ill of another Republican".  In other words, don't attack the person, attack the argument. We all understand perfectly well exactly what that means here in TBR, and that's all the 11th Commandment is saying. 

It is entirely possible to have a battle for the soul of the Republican Party without juvenile name calling. That's an embarrassment, and the sign of a lack of coherent thinking or ability to articulate logical thoughts.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 20, 2023, 03:28:54 pm
Some folks are deliberately misrepresenting the 11th Commandment.  It does not say you cannot very strongly disagree with the policies advocated by another Republican, or the actions they have taken. Reagan did exactly that when he ran against Ford in 1976, and again when he ran against Bush in 1980.  Likewise, it is perfectly possible to disagree strongly with the policies or actions being advocated or taken by another Republican today without violating the 11 Commandment.

What it is about is not "speaking ill of another Republican".  In other words, don't attack the person, attack the argument. We all understand perfectly well exactly what that means here in TBR, and that's all the 11th Commandment is saying. 

There's no valid reason that shouldn't have been followed in 2016 through today.  Name calling and personal attacks are simply laziness by those who don't want to take the time to lay out a coherent, logical argument.



:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 20, 2023, 03:38:17 pm
It is absolutely asinine, and those using it should know better.

I feel compelled to point out that everybody and their brother knew that Trump was running for president in 2024 months before he announced.  He'd play these little games like saying he has a big announcement to make but he has to wait for the right time, and that his supporters are going to be very happy when he makes it, etc. During that time, there were people working behind the scenes to put his campaign together, etc..  But for legal reasons, he held off on making a formal announcement until it was legally convenient for him to declare.

Now, when another potential candidate is doing the exact same thing he did, he's screaming that it is unfair.  He's just an absolute baby. If there is one thing that is consistent about Donald Trump, it is that he believes a different set of rules should apply to him then apply to everybody else.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 20, 2023, 03:59:19 pm
It is absolutely asinine, and those using it should know better.

Well... Those misusing it should know better.
Yes Reagan used the term to shield himself from GOP elites, throwing their own words back at them exactly as defined... As he purposed the party toward principled conservatism.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 20, 2023, 04:01:32 pm
Some folks are deliberately misrepresenting the 11th Commandment.  It does not say you cannot very strongly disagree with the policies advocated by another Republican, or the actions they have taken. Reagan did exactly that when he ran against Ford in 1976, and again when he ran against Bush in 1980.  Likewise, it is perfectly possible to disagree strongly with the policies or actions being advocated or taken by another Republican today without violating the 11 Commandment.

What it is about is not "speaking ill of another Republican".  In other words, don't attack the person, attack the argument. We all understand perfectly well exactly what that means here in TBR, and that's all the 11th Commandment is saying. 

It is entirely possible to have a battle for the soul of the Republican Party without juvenile name calling. That's an embarrassment, and the sign of a lack of coherent thinking or ability to articulate logical thoughts.

That's right.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 20, 2023, 05:28:04 pm
Trump is Trump and if he wants to resort back to bullying and name calling that's up to him.  But people are tired of his crappola. DeSantis isn't campaigning he's addressing his constituents and remains in touch especially with those impacted by Ian.  He's doing his job @Right_in_Virginia.

I know you see DeSantis as a huge threat to Trump so if you want to try to make a good conservative  governor look bad, have at it. I don't care to participate in that game.  :seeya:

Good news @libertybele  ----- after Tiny D refused to stand against the political weaponization of our justice system for his own political benefit, shitting on the 5,668,731 Floridians who voted for Trump in the process, you're going to keep your Governor.  Yeah!   :rolling:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: GtHawk on March 20, 2023, 06:26:02 pm
Good news @libertybele  ----- after Tiny D refused to stand against the political weaponization of our justice system for his own political benefit, shitting on the 5,668,731 Floridians who voted for Trump in the process, you're going to keep your Governor.  Yeah!   :rolling:
The childishness apparently lives in Trumps most ardent supporter as well as Trump, I see. Another good reason to return to my vacation from vitriol and stupidity.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 20, 2023, 06:36:27 pm
The childishness apparently lives in Trumps most ardent supporter as well as Trump, I see. Another good reason to return to my vacation from vitriol and stupidity.

Enjoy!   :seeya:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 20, 2023, 07:15:47 pm
The childishness apparently lives in Trumps most ardent supporter as well as Trump, I see. Another good reason to return to my vacation from vitriol and stupidity.

But just think of the schadenfreude when Trump becomes a three-time loser!  The excuses, whining, finger-pointing, and incessant vomiting of one bizarre conspiracy theory after another will be...delectable.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Sighlass on March 20, 2023, 07:26:19 pm
Good news @libertybele  ----- after Tiny D refused to stand against the political weaponization of our justice system for his own political benefit, shitting on the 5,668,731 Floridians who voted for Trump in the process, you're going to keep your Governor.

You know Trump admires Big D and doesn't think he is tiny. How about we just stop the squabbling and compare hand sizes for the win... Trump already thinks DeSantis is a big strong fellow that should go around without his jacket on.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-donald-trump-ron-desantis-hot-body-20191127-4tzjtxks3fhtjibawmlna5kanq-story.html

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 20, 2023, 07:43:48 pm
You know Trump admires Big D and doesn't think he is tiny.

This nickname didn't come from Trump @Sighlass   It came from from one of D's constituents while he was waving and trying to glad hand folks.  By the time he got to the end of the line folks had picked it up and we're having a fun time with it. D ducked into his car.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 20, 2023, 07:51:54 pm
You know Trump admires Big D and doesn't think he is tiny. How about we just stop the squabbling and compare hand sizes for the win... Trump already thinks DeSantis is a big strong fellow that should go around without his jacket on.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-donald-trump-ron-desantis-hot-body-20191127-4tzjtxks3fhtjibawmlna5kanq-story.html

It'd be a hoot if someone went after Trump's hand size again just to trigger him. 
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 20, 2023, 10:01:55 pm
But just think of the schadenfreude when Trump becomes a three-time loser!  The excuses, whining, finger-pointing, and incessant vomiting of one bizarre conspiracy theory after another will be...delectable.

@Maj. Bill Martin

If the GOP loses the next Presidential election,that will be the end of America because the left will take full advantage of it.


Congradulations,Anti-Trumpers,for letting the DNC pimp you  out.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 20, 2023, 10:13:03 pm
@Maj. Bill Martin

If the GOP loses the next Presidential election,that will be the end of America because the left will take full advantage of it.


Congradulations,Anti-Trumpers,for letting the DNC pimp you  out.

:mauslaff:

Trump is not the savior you seem to think he is.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 20, 2023, 10:26:43 pm
The in your face hypocrisy of those who wouldn’t vote DeSantis but demand people vote for Trump

I think the GOP will be more divided in 2024 than in 2016

DeSantis can’t win the primary and Trump can’t win the general

Is it 2028 yet?  Lol
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 20, 2023, 10:28:41 pm
@Maj. Bill Martin

If the GOP loses the next Presidential election,that will be the end of America because the left will take full advantage of it.


Congradulations,Anti-Trumpers,for letting the DNC pimp you  out.

I get your point, and that's why I voted for him in 2016 and 2020.  However....

In my opinion, Trump is now destroying the only real organized opposition to leftism, and is attempting to replace it with a form of populism that will end with him.  So when he's gone...there won't be anything left to slow them down.

His foreign policy towards Russia is scaring the hell out of me as well.  Not that I believe there is collusion, just that my views are so 180 from his.

I just can't bring myself to vote for that.  I'm just hoping to hell we nominate someone else.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 20, 2023, 10:29:39 pm
:mauslaff:

Trump is not the savior you seem to think he is.

But they are convinced he is. I don’t think DeSantis is, either
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 20, 2023, 10:30:07 pm
The in your face hypocrisy of those who wouldn’t vote DeSantis but demand people vote for Trump

I think the GOP will be more divided in 2024 than in 2016

DeSantis can’t win the primary and Trump can’t win the general

Is it 2028 yet?  Lol

Sucks, but that's exactly how I see it too.
 :beer:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 20, 2023, 10:32:14 pm
Sucks, but that's exactly how I see it too.
 :beer:

And Biden gets another term. Our time will come again as all storms pass. But we’ll have to go through another 4 years of incompetent “firsts”
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: mountaineer on March 20, 2023, 10:34:06 pm
Quote
Is it 2028 yet?
At this rate, I'm not holding out hope for an election in 2028.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 20, 2023, 10:35:19 pm
I just can't bring myself to vote for that.  I'm just hoping to hell we nominate someone else.

TRULY.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 20, 2023, 10:36:07 pm
What’s strange is all this vitriol against someone who hasn’t even announce a run

He won’t now
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 20, 2023, 10:43:01 pm
The GOP is much more divided than the Democrats
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: corbe on March 20, 2023, 10:44:00 pm
   DeSantis has answered the Call of his Country before AND will again, IMHO. 
   Trump will have pizzed off so many MORE GOP Voters this year and be left with only his hard core supporters. 
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 20, 2023, 10:59:11 pm
   DeSantis has answered the Call of his Country before AND will again, IMHO. 
   Trump will have pizzed off so many MORE GOP Voters this year and be left with only his hard core supporters.

Many of whom don't care because they are convinced they are the Silent Majority, and that Trump needs nobody but his hardcore base to win.  That's why they just laugh and name-call if you point out that his antics are alienating swing voters - because they don't think they need swing voters anyway.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 20, 2023, 11:34:17 pm
:mauslaff:

Trump is not the savior you seem to think he is.

@Kamaji

No,but he is a hell of a lot closer to it than any career politician YOU might support.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 20, 2023, 11:37:40 pm
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The in your face hypocrisy of those who wouldn’t vote DeSantis but demand people vote for Trump

The ONLY hypocrisy in this thread so far is yours.

Quote
I think the GOP will be more divided in 2024 than in 2016

That IS what the RINO's and their butt-buddies in the DNC are hoping for.

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DeSantis can’t win the primary and Trump can’t win the general

You may be right,but only IF DeSantis is really trashing Trump. I  just posted another take on this by Fox News,that basically claims the opposite.

Is it 2028 yet?  Lol
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 20, 2023, 11:39:11 pm
I get your point, and that's why I voted for him in 2016 and 2020.  However....

In my opinion, Trump is now destroying the only real organized opposition to leftism, and is attempting to replace it with a form of populism that will end with him.  So when he's gone...there won't be anything left to slow them down.

His foreign policy towards Russia is scaring the hell out of me as well.  Not that I believe there is collusion, just that my views are so 180 from his.


I don't recall reading anything about his Russian foreign policy plans.

 
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 20, 2023, 11:39:34 pm
The ONLY hypocrisy in this thread so far is yours.



And what is my hypocrisy? I never stated Trump voters must vote for Ron DeSantis. I only made my case why I prefer him over Trump
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: corbe on March 20, 2023, 11:39:48 pm
Quote
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Speaker Paul Ryan is a truly good man, and while he will not be seeking re-election, he will leave a legacy of achievement that nobody can question. We are with you Paul!
9:50 AM · Apr 11, 2018
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 20, 2023, 11:43:06 pm
The GOP is much more divided than the Democrats

@LMAO

No big surprise there.

The DNC has imported tens of thousands of illegal aliens into America,and settled them in areas where their votes MIGHT make the difference between who  wins and who loses.

Since these illegals would be homeless,hungry,and still trying to cross the border if it wasn't for the DNC letting them in,they are certain to vote Dim,and I can't blame them because I would do the same thing if I  were in their position.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 20, 2023, 11:44:18 pm
   DeSantis has answered the Call of his Country before AND will again, IMHO. 
   Trump will have pizzed off so many MORE GOP Voters this year and be left with only his hard core supporters.

@corbe

You really are borderline insane. Trump lives in your head 24/7,and has plenty  of room and air.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 20, 2023, 11:49:25 pm
@LMAO

No big surprise there.

The DNC has imported tens of thousands of illegal aliens into America,and settled them in areas where their votes MIGHT make the difference between who  wins and who loses.

Since these illegals would be homeless,hungry,and still trying to cross the border if it wasn't for the DNC letting them in,they are certain to vote Dim,and I can't blame them because I would do the same thing if I  were in their position.

Illegal immigrants don’t have anything to do with the division in the GOP. It’s conflicting ideologies. The Democrats don’t have that issue
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 20, 2023, 11:50:36 pm
And Biden gets another term. Our time will come again as all storms pass. But we’ll have to go through another 4 years of incompetent “firsts”

@LMAO

I don't believe that. I believe the next presidential election will be our last actual public election if ANY  Dim or RINO candidate wins.

Oh,there will still be Soviet-style elections,but it has been reported that when one of Stalin's butt-boy Generals questioned Stalin about this,Stalin to him to not "Worry about it because it is no  who votes that decides who runs the country. What is important is who COUNTS the votes."

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 20, 2023, 11:51:38 pm
At this rate, I'm not holding out hope for an election in 2028.

@mountaineer

If the left wins this time,that is the end of freedom in America because they will control the votes and control who  counts them.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Sighlass on March 20, 2023, 11:53:04 pm
This nickname didn't come from Trump @Sighlass   It came from from one of D's constituents while he was waving and trying to glad hand folks.  By the time he got to the end of the line folks had picked it up and we're having a fun time with it. D ducked into his car. 

Far as I can tell, yes it started with Trump... which you obviously carry water for... Early March is about where I place the phrase. Picked up from the link below and carried to places like gay forums where it is considered funny I guess. It is typical of Trump, trying to hit below the belt. The first I heard of it was from you though.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/03/donald-trump-ron-desantis-little-d

Perhaps you could provide proof otherwise.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 20, 2023, 11:54:29 pm
The GOP today is in a similar place where it was in 1976

I still hold onto my prediction that the next Republican president will be one of the governors. Who, and when I cannot say
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: corbe on March 21, 2023, 12:22:26 am
Quote
"Why isn't pedo DeSanctmous who wants to end SS/MC and is a RINO defending my honor?" The Real Donald Trump

 8888crybaby
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 12:28:11 am

 8888crybaby

Is that a real quote?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: corbe on March 21, 2023, 12:35:20 am
    Not that I know of    wink777
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: mystery-ak on March 21, 2023, 01:09:23 am
Trump Goes Scorched Earth on DeSantis, Raises Questions About His Sexuality and Peddles Groomer Smear
By Ken Meyer Mar 20th, 2023, 2:33 pm

Former President Donald Trump went scorched earth on Florida Governor Ron DeSantis after he weighed in on his potential indictment in the Stormy Daniels case brought by prosecutors in New York.

Trump, in a post on Truth Social, raised questions about DeSantis’s sexuality and once again peddled his groomer smear against the Florida Republican who is seen as a potential presidential candidate in 2024.

“Ron DeSanctimonious will probably find out about FALSE ACCUSATIONS & FAKE STORIES sometime in the future, as he gets older, wiser, and better known, when he’s unfairly and illegally attacked by a woman, even classmates that are “underage” (or possibly a man!),” Trump seethed. ‘I’m sure he will want to fight these misfits just like I do!”

Trump also included a picture from an article suggesting the worst about DeSantis’s conduct with “underage” young people.



Quote
Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
·
7h

Ron DeSanctimonious will probably find out about FALSE ACCUSATIONS & FAKE STORIES sometime in the future, as he gets older, wiser, and better known, when he’s unfairly and illegally attacked by a woman, even classmates that are “underage” (or possibly a man!). I’m sure he will want to fight these misfits just like I do!

(https://static-assets-1.truthsocial.com/tmtg:prime-ts-assets/media_attachments/files/110/056/905/820/939/416/original/fbbd0b2138db93a3.jpg)

more
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-goes-scorched-earth-on-desantis-raises-questions-about-his-sexuality-and-peddles-groomer-smear/
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 21, 2023, 01:21:33 am
Wow Trump didn't waste anytime in destroying the GOP's chances in '24. I'm beginning to wonder if the DEMS are having him destroy DeSantis.  Reminds me of him going after Cruz.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 01:27:49 am
Trump Goes Scorched Earth on DeSantis, Raises Questions About His Sexuality and Peddles Groomer Smear
By Ken Meyer Mar 20th, 2023, 2:33 pm

Former President Donald Trump went scorched earth on Florida Governor Ron DeSantis after he weighed in on his potential indictment in the Stormy Daniels case brought by prosecutors in New York.

Trump, in a post on Truth Social, raised questions about DeSantis’s sexuality and once again peddled his groomer smear against the Florida Republican who is seen as a potential presidential candidate in 2024.

“Ron DeSanctimonious will probably find out about FALSE ACCUSATIONS & FAKE STORIES sometime in the future, as he gets older, wiser, and better known, when he’s unfairly and illegally attacked by a woman, even classmates that are “underage” (or possibly a man!),” Trump seethed. ‘I’m sure he will want to fight these misfits just like I do!”

Trump also included a picture from an article suggesting the worst about DeSantis’s conduct with “underage” young people.



more
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-goes-scorched-earth-on-desantis-raises-questions-about-his-sexuality-and-peddles-groomer-smear/

Lol….

What?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 21, 2023, 01:32:16 am
Lol….

What?

Crazytown. The guy who handed Disney their hat is a groomer now.  *****rollingeyes*****

What bullcrap.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 01:36:44 am
Wow Trump didn't waste anytime in destroying the GOP's chances in '24.

Lol

That ship has sailed

He’s going to go  all the way to 2028
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 01:38:49 am
Crazytown. The guy who handed Disney their hat is a groomer now.  *****rollingeyes*****

What bullcrap.

Did you know that Trump is rich?

And you know that he’s orange and rude, right?

 happy77

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Wingnut on March 21, 2023, 01:42:30 am
Lol….

What?

A new low for the Orange madman.   
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 21, 2023, 01:44:20 am
Did you know that Trump is rich?

And you know that he’s orange and rude, right?

 happy77

He's like a bad joke at this point.  Probably laughing to himself about how much he thinks he can trash other Republicans while still counting on their support if he wins the primary.

Thinking of this guy as the leader of the GOP for nearly six more years is stomach churning.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 01:47:38 am
He's like a bad joke at this point.  Probably laughing to himself about how much he thinks he can trash other Republicans while still counting on their support if he wins the primary.

Thinking of this guy as the leader of the GOP for nearly six more years is stomach churning.

You just hate him because he’s wealthy. Envy is never pretty



Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: corbe on March 21, 2023, 01:47:47 am
    2016 Redeaux
    Ivanka and Jared sure are laying low.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: corbe on March 21, 2023, 01:50:17 am
   Has anyone determined how he stays so Orange, booth or spray or a combination of the two?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 01:50:27 am
    2016 Redeaux
    Ivanka and Jared sure are laying low.

Right
What we need is another gentleman in the White House who is afraid to upset anyone.

Have you got your JEB! T-shirt yet?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Wingnut on March 21, 2023, 01:51:06 am
You just hate him because he’s wealthy. Envy is never pretty

Don't forget "Crowd" envy.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 01:51:21 am
   Has anyone determined how he stays so Orange, booth or spray or a combination of the two?

Trump lives rent free in your head doesn’t he?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: corbe on March 21, 2023, 01:54:30 am
   I got the Paul Ryan Tshirt instead.  It says on the back Trump was my Bi1ch, in parenthesis is He signed all my Bloated Budgets.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 01:54:41 am
Don't forget "Crowd" envy.

You do know he’s rude, right?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 21, 2023, 01:57:15 am
A new low for the Orange madman.

Indeed.  What a flipping buffoon!
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 01:57:47 am
   I got the Paul Ryan Tshirt instead.  It says on the back Trump was my Bi1ch, in parenthesis is He signed all my Bloated Budgets.

Um…it’s called politics

You make the other guy think you’re really signing all his bloated budget today just so that you can come back in another term and surprise him with even bloatyer budgets
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: corbe on March 21, 2023, 01:57:58 am
    Stormy says he's got a tiny <bleep>.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 21, 2023, 01:58:10 am
   I got the Paul Ryan Tshirt instead.  It says on the back Trump was my Bi1ch, in parenthesis is He signed all my Bloated Budgets.

 888high58888
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 01:58:39 am
Indeed.  What a flipping buffoon!

You do know that he’s an orange, rude, billionaire, right?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 01:59:06 am
    Stormy says he's got a tiny <bleep>.

Penis envy is never pretty
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 21, 2023, 01:59:07 am
    Stormy says he's got a tiny <bleep>.

  :rolling:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Wingnut on March 21, 2023, 01:59:16 am
Indeed.  What a flipping buffoon!

Letting his syphilis go untreated is eating his brain up.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 02:01:13 am
Letting his syphilis go untreated is eating his brain up.

And crowd envy is eating yours
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 21, 2023, 02:01:40 am
Letting his syphilis go untreated is eating his brain up.

 :silly:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: corbe on March 21, 2023, 02:03:27 am
Penis envy is never pretty

   Before Trump even got there I'm sure she said the same thing about any Man. 22222frying pan
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Wingnut on March 21, 2023, 02:04:21 am
And crowd envy is eating yours

And living rent free in yours!
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 02:04:39 am
   Before Trump even got there I'm sure she said the same thing about any Man. 22222frying pan

Yeah

Being a porn star, she’s probably got the “hot dog in the hallway” thing going on 888mouth
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: ScottinVA on March 21, 2023, 02:04:53 am
Trump has gone over the rails.  Poor old fart.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 21, 2023, 02:05:30 am
Did you know that Trump is rich?

And you know that he’s orange and rude, right?

 happy77

 :silly: :tongue2:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 02:08:21 am
Trump has gone over the rails.  Poor old fart.

Unfortunately, for now, he looks like he’s gonna be the nominee. Our only hope at this point is he doesn’t get tied to our downticket nominees.

 But it is what it is.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Sighlass on March 21, 2023, 02:11:32 am
I could add my two cents, but I am just bias and envious (TDS even).

(https://i.postimg.cc/fLRtkg7j/MegaRich.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: ScottinVA on March 21, 2023, 02:13:11 am
Unfortunately, for now, he looks like he’s gonna be the nominee. Our only hope at this point is he doesn’t get tied to our downticket nominees.

 But it is what it is.

Maybe not… it’s a long way before the nomination and Trump is quickly spiraling downward.  We shall see.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 21, 2023, 02:20:19 am
Unfortunately, for now, he looks like he’s gonna be the nominee. Our only hope at this point is he doesn’t get tied to our downticket nominees.

 But it is what it is.

He'll likely be the nominee. Who at this point in their right mind is going to run against him?  Who knows who the DEMS will run.  I just don't think Brandon is going to hold on much longer.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 02:25:52 am
He'll likely be the nominee. Who at this point in their right mind is going to run against him?  Who knows who the DEMS will run.  I just don't think Brandon is going to hold on much longer.

The Democrats have their own problems because the next in line after Biden is Harris. And the Democrats know she is very unelectable.

If the Democrats replace Joe Biden, that’s going to make it even tougher for Donald Trump. I believe the most likely people that the Democrats will replace Joe Biden with if they could would be one of the northeastern state governors minus Hochul. They won’t renominate Hillary and they’re not gonna put Michelle Obama up or any of the squad

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on March 21, 2023, 02:27:01 am
He'll likely be the nominee. Who at this point in their right mind is going to run against him?  Who knows who the DEMS will run.  I just don't think Brandon is going to hold on much longer.

IMO it'll be Biden vs. Trump in 2024, we'll see what happens in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 02:32:18 am
IMO it'll be Biden vs. Trump in 2024, we'll see what happens in the next few weeks.

I believe that, also

But things change. In the 2004 campaign, it was going to be Howard Dean versus George Bush. And early campaign season of 2016, it was gonna be Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Wingnut on March 21, 2023, 02:35:54 am
IMO it'll be Biden vs. Trump in 2024, we'll see what happens in the next few weeks.

If true, I'll sit this one out.  Just vote down ticket to keep FL red.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 02:38:40 am
If true, I'll sit this one out.  Just vote down ticket to keep FL red.

Ditto

But I’ll be voting down ticket to make Wi red
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Wingnut on March 21, 2023, 02:40:02 am
Ditto

But I’ll be voting down ticket to make Wi red

Best of luck!
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 02:45:02 am
Best of luck!

We are more split than you guys are

The Democrats control the governorship but the Republicans control the state house

Keeps anything too crazy from being passed too easily
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LadyLiberty on March 21, 2023, 03:08:58 am
The GOP is much more divided than the Democrats

Thanks to Trump.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 21, 2023, 04:25:04 am
Trump Goes Scorched Earth on DeSantis, Raises Questions About His Sexuality and Peddles Groomer Smear
By Ken Meyer Mar 20th, 2023, 2:33 pm

Former President Donald Trump went scorched earth on Florida Governor Ron DeSantis after he weighed in on his potential indictment in the Stormy Daniels case brought by prosecutors in New York.

Trump, in a post on Truth Social, raised questions about DeSantis’s sexuality and once again peddled his groomer smear against the Florida Republican who is seen as a potential presidential candidate in 2024.

“Ron DeSanctimonious will probably find out about FALSE ACCUSATIONS & FAKE STORIES sometime in the future, as he gets older, wiser, and better known, when he’s unfairly and illegally attacked by a woman, even classmates that are “underage” (or possibly a man!),” Trump seethed. ‘I’m sure he will want to fight these misfits just like I do!”

Trump also included a picture from an article suggesting the worst about DeSantis’s conduct with “underage” young people.



more
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-goes-scorched-earth-on-desantis-raises-questions-about-his-sexuality-and-peddles-groomer-smear/

Making charges like this, without some form of  tangible proof  is beyond reprehensible.  The f'ing orange POS will never get another vote from me.  Every conservative should turn their back on this goo of human excrement.  Shit, I hope he does do the perp walk tomorrow.

F him.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 21, 2023, 05:27:51 am
Making charges like this, without some form of  tangible proof  is beyond reprehensible.  The f'ing orange POS will never get another vote from me.  Every conservative should turn their back on this goo of human excrement.  Shit, I hope he does do the perp walk tomorrow.

F him.

I get it - But it's been there all along... No different than what he did to Cruz.

So a clear no on fiscal conservatism
A clear no on libertarianism.
A clear no on social conservatism (false witness).
PLENTY of reason to ignore this chooch. with character being foremost.

What exactly is worth voting *FOR*?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 21, 2023, 05:44:40 am
I get it - But it's been there all along... No different than what he did to Cruz

Ted Cruz
@tedcruz

Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s case against Donald Trump is utter and complete crap!

It’s obviously political retribution and political persecution. #Verdict

2:54 PM · Mar 20, 2023

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 21, 2023, 06:21:59 am
I get it - But it's been there all along... No different than what he did to Cruz.

So a clear no on fiscal conservatism
A clear no on libertarianism.
A clear no on social conservatism (false witness).
PLENTY of reason to ignore this chooch. with character being foremost.

What exactly is worth voting *FOR*?

What he did to Cruz and the rest of the field in '16 was dirty politics.  His comments today without backing calling DeSanits pedophilic?  are downright almost criminally slanderous.

He crossed the line. And now I will actually enjoy watching him implode.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on March 21, 2023, 08:55:33 am
What he did to Cruz and the rest of the field in '16 was dirty politics.  His comments today without backing calling DeSanits pedophilic?  are downright almost criminally slanderous.

He crossed the line. And now I will actually enjoy watching him implode.

Did he seriously claim Desantis was a "pedo"? Where did that come from?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 10:48:55 am
Ted Cruz
@tedcruz

Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s case against Donald Trump is utter and complete crap!

It’s obviously political retribution and political persecution. #Verdict

2:54 PM · Mar 20, 2023

This statement has nothing, zilch, zero, nada to do with the subject being discussed. I know you believe you’re making a good point, but you’re just looking more and more ridiculous to normal people.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 10:50:39 am
I get it - But it's been there all along... No different than what he did to Cruz.

So a clear no on fiscal conservatism
A clear no on libertarianism.
A clear no on social conservatism (false witness).
PLENTY of reason to ignore this chooch. with character being foremost.

What exactly is worth voting *FOR*?

You know he’s orange, right?  happy77
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 11:11:44 am
I don’t know why people here are surprised over Donald Trump’s latest stunt. This is the way he’s always been. He fights with D list celebrities and Meghan McCain versus fighting Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi. He always lashes out irrationally when his fragile ego is threatened

You have a successful red state governor who hasn’t really said much about Donald Trump even before this latest news and hasn’t even thrown his hat in the ring and right away, Donald Trump started having a temper tantrum that would make a toddler envious. A grown mature man would have welcomed the challenge and had the attitude of “may the best man win.”
I’ve never seen any candidate behave this way to any primary challenge. Even Joe Biden and Harris conduct themselves in a more mature manner than Donald Trump.

His  Super PAC files an ethics charge, which was laughable to people who live in the rational world, and now his supporters are crying and waving their hands  because Ron DeSantis is isn’t adequately wiping Trump’s nose

Nobody here expected Ron DeSantis just to walk into a primary without any kind of a challenge. He would have to fight for the nomination just like any other candidate. That’s what primaries are for. But watching Trump’s reaction, and that of his supporters, to somebody who could be a real challenge to him on the issues, should confirm this man can’t get anywhere near the White House ever again.

And now some are just  now figuring this out? I knew this back when he was thinking of running in 2012. Even the owner of TOS said at the time that he was no conservative but a charlatan who cons his followers. I givevRon DeSantis credit as he’s being more mature when it comes to Donald Trump than even I would be.

His supporters believe that he’s gonna go back to Washington and really clean it up this time when he can’t even clean up his own personal problems


Plus he’s orange, rich, and rude wink777
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 21, 2023, 12:26:48 pm
You know he’s orange, right?  happy77

And Rude.....

Just so we cover 98% of all the content of one particular Briefer.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 21, 2023, 12:29:52 pm
Did he seriously claim Desantis was a "pedo"? Where did that come from?

Saw in an earlier, post....   though after researching it seems Donald used words or allegations of "grooming".  So 6 of one or half dozen of another I guess.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Free Vulcan on March 21, 2023, 12:39:40 pm
Saw in an earlier, post....   though after researching it seems Donald used words or allegations of "grooming".  So 6 of one or half dozen of another I guess.

(https://a4.pbase.com/o3/10/634010/1/87651635.ExdwAP6i.DSC06554_s.jpg)

I think the above pic pretty much describes it.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Wingnut on March 21, 2023, 01:11:44 pm
And Rude.....

Just so we cover 98% of all the content of one particular Briefer.

Yes we did! but it was 2 briefers. One thread.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 21, 2023, 03:13:54 pm
He fights with D list celebrities and Meghan McCain versus fighting Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelos

Or even Joe Biden.  It's remarkable how much of his effort goes into ripping other Republicans or low-status leftists rather than leading the charge against the leaders of the left.

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He always lashes out irrationally when his fragile ego is threatened.

The flip side of that is even scarier, particularly in the context of foreign relations.  Flattering him seems the fastest way to get him to take your side in a dispute, like when he recently sided with Kim Jong In regarding U.S. South Korean cooperation being "provocative."

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 21, 2023, 06:30:56 pm
Ted Cruz
@tedcruz

Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s case against Donald Trump is utter and complete crap!

It’s obviously political retribution and political persecution. #Verdict

2:54 PM · Mar 20, 2023

So what? That ain't the point.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 21, 2023, 06:54:27 pm
So what? That ain't the point.

You appear to be stuck in 2016.  Just trying to help you catch up  :shrug:




Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Wingnut on March 21, 2023, 07:09:10 pm
So what? That ain't the point.

C'mon man.  You're so 2016 dude! 
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 21, 2023, 07:16:14 pm
He'll likely be the nominee. Who at this point in their right mind is going to run against him? 

Haley already has declared, but I don't see any way DeSantis doesn't declare at this point.  He'd look like he was scared of Trump if he didn't, and the guy doesn't seem like he's shied away from a fight his entire life.

I thought before that he'd run a campaign that ignored Trump's personal/personality issues, and just focus on policy and the fact that Trump is too old.

I think now that he's going to go after Trump much harder, and call him out as a fraud on things like Covid.  I also think he may go after him for encouraging January 6, and then calling for more protests now, which result in ordinary Americans being jailed while Trump lives in luxury.

Probably won't endear him to the MAGA faithful, but that ship has likely sailed anyway. Trump deserves to be opposed, and it would be an embarrassment to the GOP if he went unchallenged.  I just hope whomever chooses to do so doesn't pull any punches.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 21, 2023, 07:41:47 pm
Haley already has declared, but I don't see any way DeSantis doesn't declare at this point.  He'd look like he was scared of Trump if he didn't, and the guy doesn't seem like he's shied away from a fight his entire life.

I thought before that he'd run a campaign that ignored Trump's personal/personality issues, and just focus on policy and the fact that Trump is too old.

I think now that he's going to go after Trump much harder, and call him out as a fraud on things like Covid.  I also think he may go after him for encouraging January 6, and then calling for more protests now, which result in ordinary Americans being jailed while Trump lives in luxury.

Probably won't endear him to the MAGA faithful, but that ship has likely sailed anyway. Trump deserves to be opposed, and it would be an embarrassment to the GOP if he went unchallenged.  I just hope whomever chooses to do so doesn't pull any punches.

Personally, I don't think Desantis would look weak at this juncture if he decided to not run.  He has so far not reacted directly to Trump's attempts to get a rise out of him, and has responded rather evenly, so I think that would carry him through; most reasonable people would probably realize that he doesn't want to get dragged into Trump's personal shitshow, and would respect that sentiment.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 21, 2023, 08:35:02 pm
Personally, I don't think Desantis would look weak at this juncture if he decided to not run.  He has so far not reacted directly to Trump's attempts to get a rise out of him, and has responded rather evenly, so I think that would carry him through; most reasonable people would probably realize that he doesn't want to get dragged into Trump's personal shitshow, and would respect that sentiment.

I absolutely agree.  DeSantis shouldn't feel pressured to run.  He has a family with young children to think about as well.

Personally, I still don't see him running. I would like to see our good governor stay right where he's at.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 21, 2023, 08:45:25 pm
I absolutely agree.  DeSantis shouldn't feel pressured to run.  He has a family with young children to think about as well.

Personally, I still don't see him running. I would like to see our good governor stay right where he's at.

:thumbsup:

Based on how he's proceeding so far, I think he has everything to gain, and nothing to lose, by staying as Florida governor for now and building up his networks and the political capital he will need to call upon as president to get things done in D.C.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Bigun on March 21, 2023, 08:48:24 pm
I've got news for you folks.

NONE of this matters!

If our elections aren't cleaned up NO Republican candidate will ever be elected president again!
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 21, 2023, 09:04:59 pm
I've got news for you folks.

NONE of this matters!

If our elections aren't cleaned up NO Republican candidate will ever be elected president again!

Yes, pretty much what I've been saying for awhile.  Without election integrity, the GOP doesn't stand a chance.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 21, 2023, 09:06:36 pm
You appear to be stuck in 2016.  Just trying to help you catch up  :shrug:

@Right_in_Virginia
Not at all... Just that nothing has changed - the loudmouth a****** that lied through his teeth about Cruz is the very same loudmouth a****** that is lying through his teeth about DeSantis.

Predictably, btw... Which is why character counts.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 21, 2023, 09:08:17 pm
@Right_in_Virginia
Not at all... Just that nothing has changed - the loudmouth a****** that lied through his teeth about Cruz is the very same loudmouth a****** that is lying through his teeth about DeSantis.

Predictably, btw... Which is why character counts.

You are so right @roamer_1
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 10:22:00 pm
Personally, I don't think Desantis would look weak at this juncture if he decided to not run.  He has so far not reacted directly to Trump's attempts to get a rise out of him, and has responded rather evenly, so I think that would carry him through; most reasonable people would probably realize that he doesn't want to get dragged into Trump's personal shitshow, and would respect that sentiment.

I think yours is probably the most likely scenario. Let Trump have the nomination you’re going to lose the general. If, and when he loses, I think more and more people’s patience with him will wear out.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 21, 2023, 10:28:05 pm
Yes, pretty much what I've been saying for awhile.  Without election integrity, the GOP doesn't stand a chance.


I wouldn’t go as far as to say that they don’t stand a chance, but there are definitely obstacles in place that the Democrats put in place with Covid that greatly benefits them. And especially after that fiasco in Arizona in 2022, we need to clean up our elections

Third World countries have smoother elections and we’ve had in the last two years. A poster, I don’t recall who, wrote seven point list on what we should do to clean up our elections and I wholeheartedly agree with everyone of them. How the hell can you straight face allowing voting for people who don’t have a traceable address or ID?

I’m not one of those that have dove headfirst into the “Trump was robbed” narrative. But a lot of the voting that was put in place for Covid did  benefit Joe Biden.

Any election reforms are going to have to put in place over the howling and whining about the Democrats and the press

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 21, 2023, 11:01:33 pm
Well guys, I don't normally gloat about being right, but it looks like I read the Piers Morgan article about three hours before it was published....

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,494527.0.html

 :tongue2:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: txradioguy on March 21, 2023, 11:10:50 pm
@Right_in_Virginia
Not at all... Just that nothing has changed - the loudmouth a****** that lied through his teeth about Cruz is the very same loudmouth a****** that is lying through his teeth about DeSantis.

Predictably, btw... Which is why character counts.

QFT
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 21, 2023, 11:18:35 pm
And Rude.....

Just so we cover 98% of all the content of one particular Briefer.

@catfish1957

Some posters are simple folk,and  need to be reminded.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 21, 2023, 11:19:40 pm
Saw in an earlier, post....   though after researching it seems Donald used words or allegations of "grooming".  So 6 of one or half dozen of another I guess.

@catfish1957

Depends entirely on context.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 21, 2023, 11:21:47 pm
So what? That ain't the point.

@roamer_1

Well,yeah,it is the point.

How would YOU respond if you were slandered on a daily basis like Trump?

Context is everything.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 21, 2023, 11:23:33 pm
@catfish1957

Some posters are simple folk,and  need to be reminded.

Orange and rude. I think we've got it down pat @sneakypete

So, who cares??? He's the spray tan man, with a big mouth that resorts to bullying.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 21, 2023, 11:24:51 pm
@roamer_1

Well,yeah,it is the point.

How would YOU respond if you were slandered on a daily basis like Trump?

Context is everything.

Oh come on, Trump brings on his own troubles.  He thrives on attention.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 21, 2023, 11:25:21 pm
Yes, pretty much what I've been saying for awhile.  Without election integrity, the GOP doesn't stand a chance.

@libertybele

Yeah,good thinking!

The left gets away with this BECAUSE nobody on the right fights back.

Well,to be completely honest about it,it doesn't hurt the left that they own or control damn near every  major media outlet in the  country.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 21, 2023, 11:31:07 pm
@roamer_1

Well,yeah,it is the point.

How would YOU respond if you were slandered on a daily basis like Trump?

Context is everything.

@sneakypete

Not by slandering others as Tumpy does. Especially in the case of DeSantis, who has hardly said a peep one way or the other.

The point is that TUMPY, not others, is lying like a rug trying to take out Desantis.
And you want me to vote for that.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 21, 2023, 11:35:13 pm
@libertybele

Yeah,good thinking!

The left gets away with this BECAUSE nobody on the right fights back.

Well,to be completely honest about it,it doesn't hurt the left that they own or control damn near every  major media outlet in the  country.

Soros backed - that's nothing new  --- people need to wake up. A little late I'd say @sneakypete
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: mystery-ak on March 22, 2023, 01:25:00 am
https://twitter.com/hotairblog/status/1638350316390195202
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 22, 2023, 01:28:42 am
https://twitter.com/hotairblog/status/1638350316390195202

Nice to hear from the grownups for once.

Stay the course Ron.   Wallow around in the mud with orange pigs, and you get muddy too.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 22, 2023, 02:23:21 am
Nice to hear from the grownups for once.

Stay the course Ron.   Wallow around in the mud with orange pigs, and you get muddy too.

Sigh…

You still don’t seem to understand and accept that Donald Trump is orange, rude, and rich

A year in reeducation camps should help with your mindset and attitude
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Joe Btfsplk on March 22, 2023, 01:09:19 pm

I wouldn’t go as far as to say that they don’t stand a chance, but there are definitely obstacles in place that the Democrats put in place with Covid that greatly benefits them. And especially after that fiasco in Arizona in 2022, we need to clean up our elections

Third World countries have smoother elections and we’ve had in the last two years. A poster, I don’t recall who, wrote seven point list on what we should do to clean up our elections and I wholeheartedly agree with everyone of them. How the hell can you straight face allowing voting for people who don’t have a traceable address or ID?

I’m not one of those that have dove headfirst into the “Trump was robbed” narrative. But a lot of the voting that was put in place for Covid did  benefit Joe Biden.

Any election reforms are going to have to put in place over the howling and whining about the Democrats and the press

Given democrat corruption in key locations, any GOP potus candidate needs to have at least a 5 to 7 percent cushion to overcome it.  See: Kari Lake in AZ

Trump is never going to get anywhere near that.  DeSantis may not either, but I think he would do better. 

On a related note, does anyone find it funny that dems no longer whine about the Electoral College?  Now that they have corrupted it (by just controlling key states like GA and AZ?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: cato potatoe on March 22, 2023, 02:05:15 pm
Given democrat corruption in key locations, any GOP potus candidate needs to have at least a 5 to 7 percent cushion to overcome it.  See: Kari Lake in AZ

Trump is never going to get anywhere near that.  DeSantis may not either, but I think he would do better.

On a related note, does anyone find it funny that dems no longer whine about the Electoral College?  Now that they have corrupted it (by just controlling key states like GA and AZ?

Turnout is always going to be a problem with Donald.  To change the state voter laws, the party has to outperform the democrats at early in-person voting, mail in voting, and ballot harvesting (where legal) ... for at least one cycle, in every purple and blue state.  There is no question these tactics provide a decisive boost.  Historically this has not been a problem for republicans.  Since 2016, the populist wing has surrendered many elections while they distract themselves with dark fantasies  from internet cranks (for example, the election workers are 100% democrat, and will automatically discard your ballot unless you vote on election day).  I do not believe Trump will ever adapt to modern elections.  He will cast doubt on early voting, and his supporters will be outnumbered.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: corbe on March 22, 2023, 02:05:27 pm
   Welcome to TBR @Dark Click
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 22, 2023, 02:09:23 pm
Turnout is always going to be a problem with Donald.  To change the state voter laws, the party has to outperform the democrats at early in-person voting, mail in voting, and ballot harvesting (where legal) ... for at least one cycle, in every purple and blue state.  There is no question these tactics provide a decisive boost.  Historically this has not been a problem for republicans.  Since 2016, the populist wing has surrendered many elections while they distract themselves with dark fantasies  from internet cranks (for example, the election workers are 100% democrat, and will automatically discard your ballot unless you vote on election day).  I do not believe Trump will ever adapt to modern elections.  He will cast doubt on early voting, and his supporters will be outnumbered.


:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 22, 2023, 02:21:49 pm
Turnout is always going to be a problem with Donald.  To change the state voter laws, the party has to outperform the democrats at early in-person voting, mail in voting, and ballot harvesting (where legal) ... for at least one cycle, in every purple and blue state.  There is no question these tactics provide a decisive boost.  Historically this has not been a problem for republicans.  Since 2016, the populist wing has surrendered many elections while they distract themselves with dark fantasies  from internet cranks (for example, the election workers are 100% democrat, and will automatically discard your ballot unless you vote on election day).  I do not believe Trump will ever adapt to modern elections.  He will cast doubt on early voting, and his supporters will be outnumbered.

Kind of repeating myself, but as much as I hate Romney, he was exactly right about the "47%" hot mic-'ed comment.

When 47% of the electorate are entitlement slugs sucking off the left hind teat of the Fedzilla Sow, kind of hard to elect someone who might take that away. 

We are blankity doomed.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 22, 2023, 02:27:58 pm
Kind of repeating myself, but as much as I hate Romney, he was exactly right about the "47%" hot mic-'ed comment.

When 47% of the electorate are entitlement slugs sucking off the left hind teat of the Fedzilla Sow, kind of hard to elect someone who might take that away. 

We are blankity doomed.

Which is why not only is Trump not willing to cut spending but wants more. He’s bargaining that no to spending cuts will endear him to the GOP base and voters in general

All spending cuts have a constituency, so regardless what you cut, you’ll upset someone.

I suppose Trumpers could argue that if Biden and the Democrats can spend wildly, Trump should be allowed to, also. The problem with that is with interest rates going up, borrowing is going to become more costly
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 22, 2023, 02:40:26 pm
Which is why not only is Trump not willing to cut spending but wants more. He’s bargaining that no to spending cuts will endear him to the GOP base and voters in general

All spending cuts have a constituency, so regardless what you cut, you’ll upset someone.

I suppose Trumpers could argue that if Biden and the Democrats can spend wildly, Trump should be allowed to, also. The problem with that is with interest rates going up, borrowing is going to become more costly

That's one of the other characteristics of a populist - someone whose policies are based solely on what their supporters want, without any other consistent animating principles or philosophy.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 22, 2023, 02:43:50 pm
Kind of repeating myself, but as much as I hate Romney, he was exactly right about the "47%" hot mic-'ed comment.

When 47% of the electorate are entitlement slugs sucking off the left hind teat of the Fedzilla Sow, kind of hard to elect someone who might take that away. 

We are blankity doomed.

Maybe so, but assuming arguendo that is the case, what is to be done?  Do we simply join the democrats at the trough and gorge like they do, differing only in the objects of our largesse?  Or do we try to come up with principled leaders who can articulate a case that is persuasive enough to convince some of that 47% that the largesse they're receiving is not doing them or the country at large any favors and therefore they should support reducing the social spending, provided that nobody is subjected to a cliff-effect in which they get necessary support arbitrarily cut off before they've had a reasonable period of time to make alternative arrangements for themselves and their own support?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on March 22, 2023, 02:49:41 pm
Maybe so, but assuming arguendo that is the case, what is to be done?  Do we simply join the democrats at the trough and gorge like they do, differing only in the objects of our largesse?  Or do we try to come up with principled leaders who can articulate a case that is persuasive enough to convince some of that 47% that the largesse they're receiving is not doing them or the country at large any favors and therefore they should support reducing the social spending, provided that nobody is subjected to a cliff-effect in which they get necessary support arbitrarily cut off before they've had a reasonable period of time to make alternative arrangements for themselves and their own support?

We just have to cut what we can, politically. it's not a binary situation. There should be plenty we can cut without upsetting people.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 22, 2023, 02:51:09 pm
Maybe so, but assuming arguendo that is the case, what is to be done?  Do we simply join the democrats at the trough and gorge like they do, differing only in the objects of our largesse?  Or do we try to come up with principled leaders who can articulate a case that is persuasive enough to convince some of that 47% that the largesse they're receiving is not doing them or the country at large any favors and therefore they should support reducing the social spending, provided that nobody is subjected to a cliff-effect in which they get necessary support arbitrarily cut off before they've had a reasonable period of time to make alternative arrangements for themselves and their own support?

Yep, thus the problem.  But quoting the Great Margaret Thatcher.....

“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”

When that day happens.......
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: massadvj on March 22, 2023, 02:52:51 pm
To me, the most interesting thing DeSantis said was his criticism of Trump's Covid policy.  I think that is the softest part of Trump's underbelly. Trump continues to tout the vax, and he must already rue the day he gave that presidential medal to Fauci.  Add to that the $1 trillion he added to the debt in an attempt to save his re-election. These policies have not aged well, unlike most of Trump's other initiatives.

I support neither RDS or DJT. I can see myself voting for RDS if it came down to the two of them. Unlike many here, I will support the GOP nominee regardless.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: massadvj on March 22, 2023, 02:54:28 pm
Yep, thus the problem.  But quoting the Great Margaret Thatcher.....

“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”

When that day happens.......

I think that day may well be at hand.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 22, 2023, 02:54:34 pm
We just have to cut what we can, politically. it's not a binary situation. There should be plenty we can cut without upsetting people.

If we don't provide a principled argument for why people should accept cuts, and if we don't make proposals that respect the settled expectations of people who are not in a position to change things for their own support - like the elderly - then we will simply upset people and hand ammunition to the left.

Social security is a clear example.  A simple no-nonsense step that would not jeopardize the support of those who have come to rely on it and are not in a position to make up for the sudden loss of it is to start means-testing benefits beginning only with future retirees.  It could be more aggressively done by starting means-testing now with people who clearly have more than enough for their own necessary support, like the retired CEOs of Fortune 500 companies, for example, and then phase that means-testing in as people become accustomed to its presence.

That will not immediately shore up social security, but it will start to push its finances in a more long-term sustainable direction.  And once it becomes clear that adopting means-testing did not result in the social disaster the left will try to scare everyone with, it becomes easier to convince people to agree to take other steps to bring social security into long term sustainability.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 22, 2023, 02:55:29 pm
To me, the most interesting thing DeSantis said was his criticism of Trump's Covid policy.  I think that is the softest part of Trump's underbelly. Trump continues to tout the vax, and he must already rue the day he gave that presidential medal to Fauci.  Add to that the $1 trillion he added to the debt in an attempt to save his re-election. These policies have not aged well, unlike most of Trump's other initiatives.

I support neither RDS or DJT. I can see myself voting for RDS if it came down to the two of them. Unlike many here, I will support the GOP nominee regardless.

I, too, will support whomever the ultimate nominee is (unless it's somebody who is clearly outside the Pale, like, say, Biden).
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 22, 2023, 03:12:09 pm
That's one of the other characteristics of a populist - someone whose policies are based solely on what their supporters want, without any other consistent animating principles or philosophy.

I think what’s partially animating some Trumpers overreaction to Ron DeSantis is Donald Trump is promising to keep sending the checks, regardless of where the money comes from.

What they don’t realize is that Donald Trump’s resistance to any kind of spending cuts, especially on the major drivers of our debt and deficit, put us on the path of were those checks won’t come at all
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 04:47:59 pm
Kind of repeating myself, but as much as I hate Romney, he was exactly right about the "47%" hot mic-'ed comment.

When 47% of the electorate are entitlement slugs sucking off the left hind teat of the Fedzilla Sow, kind of hard to elect someone who might take that away. 

We are blankity doomed.

@catfish1957

Sadly, I suspect that percentage is already over 100%,and climbing,thanks to all the illegal aliens the left is moving into America and registering to vote.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 04:50:44 pm
Which is why not only is Trump not willing to cut spending but wants more. He’s bargaining that no to spending cuts will endear him to the GOP base and voters in general

All spending cuts have a constituency, so regardless what you cut, you’ll upset someone.

I suppose Trumpers could argue that if Biden and the Democrats can spend wildly, Trump should be allowed to, also. The problem with that is with interest rates going up, borrowing is going to become more costly

@LMAO

Trump,like every OTHER new President is going to be obligated to spend the money in the spending bills already passed,and then fight the special interests to keep them from spending more.

He MAY well have to promote new spending bills to clean up what he is left. For example,it is going to cost a LOT of money in the short term to track down and deport the illegal aliens,but it HAS to be done or America,as a free and independent nation is over.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 04:54:43 pm
Which is why not only is Trump not willing to cut spending but wants more. He’s bargaining that no to spending cuts will endear him to the GOP base and voters in general


@LMAO


"The GOP base and voters that  tend to vote GOP WANT more spending."

Are you insane,or merely blinded by hatred and jealousy of the "Rude Orange Rich Man?

 
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 04:55:56 pm
That's one of the other characteristics of a populist - someone whose policies are based solely on what their supporters want, without any other consistent animating principles or philosophy.

@Maj. Bill Martin

Are you willing to claim that GOP voters want MORE money spent on anything  other than deporting illegals?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 22, 2023, 04:56:23 pm
@LMAO

Trump,like every OTHER new President is going to be obligated to spend the money in the spending bills already passed,and then fight the special interests to keep them from spending more.

He MAY well have to promote new spending bills to clean up what he is left. For example,it is going to cost a LOT of money in the short term to track down and deport the illegal aliens,but it HAS to be done or America,as a free and independent nation is over.

You said this many times and you’ve been wrong every time you said it. Mandatory spending is an act of Congress, but that does not mean he doesn’t have any control over discretionary spending.

You’ve countered your argument by saying that he has no control over spending but then claiming he has to spend a lot on projects you want. Which is it?

But let’s say your argument is true. Trump is not running on cutting anything. He’s already attacked any cuts for ethanol subsidies. No to any kind of entitlement reforms
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 22, 2023, 04:58:46 pm
@LMAO


"The GOP base and voters that  tend to vote GOP WANT more spending."

Are you insane,or merely blinded by hatred and jealousy of the "Rude Orange Rich Man?

Good boy

You included every adjective that reflects the limit of your debating skills

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 04:59:17 pm
We just have to cut what we can, politically. it's not a binary situation. There should be plenty we can cut without upsetting people.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

And there are plenty  of illegal aliens and their supporters that we can upset by cutting even more.

However,there is only ONE candidate that seems to be running for President that can only serve ONE term at the maximum,and NOTHING is more important to him that his ego and how he is written about in the history books.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 05:01:27 pm
I, too, will support whomever the ultimate nominee is (unless it's somebody who is clearly outside the Pale, like, say, Biden).

@Kamaji

Well,Joe Biden running for he Republican  nomination would certainly be "outside the pale".
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 22, 2023, 05:03:09 pm
@Weird Tolkienish Figure

And there are plenty  of illegal aliens and their supporters that we can upset by cutting even more.

However,there is only ONE candidate that seems to be running for President that can only serve ONE term at the maximum,and NOTHING is more important to him that his ego and how he is written about in the history books.

Can you show me in Donald Trump’s platform were he’s promising to deport illegal immigrants? You’re putting a lot of what you believe in what you want a Trump second term to be versus what he’s even saying

Besides, illegal immigrants are not the reason we have a near $32 trillion debt

The fact is Donald Trump has no history or desire to cut spending

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 05:04:30 pm
I think what’s partially animating some Trumpers overreaction to Ron DeSantis is Donald Trump is promising to keep sending the checks, regardless of where the money comes from.

 

@LMAO

So,you want the govenrment to cut off Social Security  checks to Americans (NOT to non-Americans via welfare) ,as well as to people like me,who are 100 percent service-connected veterans,and unable to work due to their military service?

Good to know.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 22, 2023, 05:06:15 pm
@LMAO

So,you want the govenrment to cut off Social Security  checks to Americans (NOT to non-Americans via welfare) ,as well as to people like me,who are 100 percent service-connected veterans,and unable to work due to their military service?

Good to know.

Your strawman argument non-withstanding, what are Donald Trump’s plans to keep Social Security and Medicare solvent?

So far, his  only plan is “no” and repeating Democrat party talking points
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 22, 2023, 05:09:37 pm
@LMAO

So,you want the govenrment to cut off Social Security  checks to Americans (NOT to non-Americans via welfare) ,as well as to people like me,who are 100 percent service-connected veterans,and unable to work due to their military service?

Good to know.

@sneakypete

Why are you putting words into someone else's mouth?  I do not recall @LMAO ever saying that he was in favor of simply cutting off all social security or veterans' benefits recipients, regardless of age or need.

That is Donald Trump's and the democrats' lies about proposed social security/benefits reforms, not the actual substance of reforms that have been under discussion.

So, since you like to so easily put words into peoples' mouths, let's try that game in reverse:  why are you calling to continue giving taxpayer money in the form of social security benefits to the likes of Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci simply because they reach retirement age and paid social security taxes on their wages for at least 10 years, regardless of how much personal wealth they have independently accumulated?

Why should ordinary U.S. taxpayers be providing a social security benefit to extremely wealthy people who clearly do not need it?  The same goes for providing those same people with benefits under Medicare, to which they are also entitled under current law?

To play your own game:  why are you in favor of taking so much money from ordinary taxpayers and giving it to uberwealthy people?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 05:14:12 pm
You said this many times and you’ve been wrong every time you said it. Mandatory spending is an act of Congress, but that does not mean he doesn’t have any control over discretionary spending.

You’ve countered your argument by saying that he has no control over spending but then claiming he has to spend a lot on projects you want. Which is it?

Uhhhh,both,but not so much projects I want,but programs he is OBLIGATED by law to finance,as well as spending bills already passed.

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But let’s say your argument is true. Trump is not running on cutting anything. He’s already attacked any cuts for ethanol subsidies. No to any kind of entitlement reforms


Like it or not,there IS going to be a period where spending already approved by Congress is going to have to continue until new bills are passed to cut or eliminate.

Some,such  as  SS and Veterans Programs can't really be cut because they are OBLIGATIONS.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 05:15:23 pm
Good boy

You included every adjective that reflects the limit of your debating skills

@LMAO

I don't know about that,but they clearly reflect the limit of your ability to understand simple concepts.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 22, 2023, 05:17:02 pm
@sneakypete

Why are you putting words into someone else's mouth?  I do not recall @LMAO ever saying that he was in favor of simply cutting off all social security or veterans' benefits recipients, regardless of age or need.



That’s right

I understand life isn’t perfect and I have no problem with a safety net.

But there’s not enough taxation without destroying the economy to pay for these programs without some serious reforms, and we just can’t keep printing and borrowing to pay for them

If Donald Trump disagrees with Ron DeSantis’s approach to Social Security, then he needs to say why a plan he has would be better and debate that. Using the “throwing  grandma off the cliff” is not a plan.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 22, 2023, 05:20:14 pm

Like it or not,there IS going to be a period where spending already approved by Congress is going to have to continue until new bills are passed to cut or eliminate.

Some,such  as  SS and Veterans Programs can't really be cut because they are OBLIGATIONS.

You’re telling me we have to go spend money to keep from going bankrupt?'” Biden said. “The answer is yes, that’s what I’m telling you.”  Joe Biden 2009


That line was ridiculous then and it’s even more so now

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 05:20:34 pm
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Can you show me in Donald Trump’s platform were he’s promising to deport illegal immigrants?


Can you show me where is is against deporting illegal aliens,bubba

 
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You’re putting a lot of what you believe in what you want a Trump second term to be versus what he’s even saying

You DO know the campaign season hasn't even started yet,right?

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Besides, illegal immigrants are not the reason we have a near $32 trillion debt

Well,yeah,it IS a big reason,and it is going to get even worse if the Dims win and import millions more illegals and set the up with "free" housing,food,clothing,medical care,rent,and spending money.

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The fact is Donald Trump has no history or desire to cut spending

I am certain that is a lie,but you know it is a lie too,so it is a waste of time for me to look up actual statements.

Since YOU are the one that brought this up,why  not post a quote of his claiming he wants to increase the number of illegal aliens allowed into America?

After all,YOU are the one that made the statement,bubba.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 22, 2023, 05:27:46 pm


Can you show me where is is against deporting illegal aliens,bubba

 
You DO know the campaign season hasn't even started yet,right?

Well,yeah,it IS a big reason,and it is going to get even worse if the Dims win and import millions more illegals and set the up with "free" housing,food,clothing,medical care,rent,and spending money.

I am certain that is a lie,but you know it is a lie too,so it is a waste of time for me to look up actual statements.

Since YOU are the one that brought this up,why  not post a quote of his claiming he wants to increase the number of illegal aliens allowed into America?

After all,YOU are the one that made the statement,bubba.


You made the statement that we are going to deport the illegal immigrants. I asked where is that in Donald Trump’s platform.

Illegal immigrants are not the  big reason the that we have our $32 trillion debt. But they are definitely affecting state budget and places like Texas, Arizona, and California. Besides, I don’t think you understand the difference between mandatory and discretionary spending.

If you think I’m lying about something, prove me wrong. Don’t tell me I’m a liar, but you’re not gonna look something up to prove that I am lying. In fairness to him, he did toy with the idea of cutting the budget while president. But he appears now to say no.

Lastly, I’ve never claimed that Donald Trump wants to increase the number of illegal immigrants. You made the statement about deporting them. I assume that you expect Trump to do that. If not Donald Trump, who?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 22, 2023, 05:41:40 pm
SoSec/Welfare/Medicare/Medicaid:

I will bet you money you can cut 25% out of those programs streamlining protocols and bureaucracy ALONE, not even touching any actual benefits.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 22, 2023, 05:42:52 pm
Some,such  as  SS and Veterans Programs can't really be cut because they are OBLIGATIONS.

The hell you say.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 05:46:33 pm

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You made the statement that we are going to deport the illegal immigrants.


Where and when? I made the statement that IF Trump becomes our next President that HE will order the roundup and deportation of illegal aliens.

I have also written that he is the ONLY candidate that will do that.

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I asked where is that in Donald Trump’s platform.

And I answered.

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Illegal immigrants are not the big reason the that we have our $32 trillion debt.


They are a LARGE part of it.

Quote
But they are definitely affecting state budget and places like Texas, Arizona, and California.


If you think they are the only states being affected,you need to get out more.

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Besides, I don’t think you understand the difference between mandatory and discretionaryo spending.


Uhhh,one is mandatory and the other discretionary?


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If you think I’m lying about something, prove me wrong. Don’t tell me I’m a liar, but you’re not gonna look something up to prove that I am lying. In fairness to him, he did toy with the idea of cutting the budget while president. But he appears now to say no.

Glad to see you write the word "appears".


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Lastly, I’ve never claimed that Donald Trump wants to increase the number of illegal immigrants.


If you think I have EVER written or implied that you  had,I am sorry you misread what I wrote or that I wrote something ambiguous.


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You made the statement about deporting them. I assume that you expect Trump to do that.

Yes,I do. I doubt that any President can find and deport ALL of them at this point in time,but I think he is the only one willing to try.

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If not Donald Trump, who?


Good question. Wish I had an answer.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 22, 2023, 05:47:17 pm
SoSec/Welfare/Medicare/Medicaid:

I will bet you money you can cut 25% out of those programs streamlining protocols and bureaucracy ALONE, not even touching any actual benefits.

Maybe

But it would be a drop in the bucket

They’re are to many that don’t see the crisis that can develop when your debt to GDP ratio sustains at over 100% and rising and you devalue the currency while interest rates rise making it more costly to maintain that debt

Simply cutting fraud and waste or “the illegals” isn’t going to be the fix
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 22, 2023, 05:48:26 pm
@Maj. Bill Martin

Are you willing to claim that GOP voters want MORE money spent on anything  other than deporting illegals?

I'm talking some Trump voters specifically, but yes.  As long as it goes to the working class.

I read a lot from various Trumpers regarding the COVID stimulus bills.  People wanted their checks to be large, but didn't want money going to illegals or for other stuff.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 22, 2023, 05:54:15 pm
Maybe

But it would be a drop in the bucket

They’re are to many that don’t see the crisis that can develop when your debt to GDP ratio sustains at over 100% and rising and you devalue the currency while interest rates rise making it more costly to maintain that debt

Simply cutting fraud and waste or “the illegals” isn’t going to be the fix

No, it's not but a drop in the bucket... Entitlements are one of the largest expenses. If you can knock 25% off that bill, and still meet obligations, that would be an EPIC discount, and a righteous step in the right direction...

Not to mention the savings knocking the props out from under the Insurance/Medical sectors, which are holding costs extraordinarily high... Which has a a whole lot to do with price fixing coming out of Medicaid/Medicare.

I agree it ain't a proper fix, but it's whoppin big low-hanging fruit.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 22, 2023, 05:54:35 pm


Where and when? I made the statement that IF Trump becomes our next President that HE will order the roundup and deportation of illegal aliens.

I have also written that he is the ONLY candidate that will do that.

And I answered.
 

They are a LARGE part of it.
 

If you think they are the only states being affected,you need to get out more.


Uhhh,one is mandatory and the other discretionary?


Glad to see you write the word "appears".

 

If you think I have EVER written or implied that you  had,I am sorry you misread what I wrote or that I wrote something ambiguous.


Yes,I do. I doubt that any President can find and deport ALL of them at this point in time,but I think he is the only one willing to try.


Good question. Wish I had an answer.

Now you’re moving the goalposts

And I don’t get what your issue with the word “appears.”  Trump has already said no to any entitlement reform. And he won’t even go after the boondoggle called ethanol subsidies

And your answer still proves you know the difference between mandatory and discretionary spending
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 22, 2023, 05:54:55 pm
SoSec/Welfare/Medicare/Medicaid:

I will bet you money you can cut 25% out of those programs streamlining protocols and bureaucracy ALONE, not even touching any actual benefits.

Honestly, I think that's a gigantic myth. Any government program of significant size, especially an entitlement program whose benefits are mandated by law, is going to inherently have a level of waste/fraud/abuse that cannot be eradicated.  So you either acknowledge that reality, or you don't have the programs at all.

The core problem for that is that the low level employees who would be most able to detect fraud or abuse don't have (and can't be given) the power or authority to deny payment based just on a suspicion. And there are always going to be enough loopholes in black letter administrative law that people are going to be able to exploit them for an extended period before being caught.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 22, 2023, 05:55:50 pm
No, it's not but a drop in the bucket... Entitlements are one of the largest expenses. If you can knock 25% off that bill, and still meet obligations, that would be an EPIC discount, and a righteous step in the right direction...

Not to mention the savings knocking the props out from under the Insurance/Medical sectors which are holding costs extraordinarily high... Which has a a whole lot to do with price fixing coming out of Medicaid/Medicare.

I agree it ain't a proper fix, but it's whoppin big low-hanging fruit.

Agreed

But we have a GOP candidate who won’t even dump the low, hanging fruit of ethanol subsidies
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 05:55:52 pm
Maybe

But it would be a drop in the bucket

They’re are to many that don’t see the crisis that can develop when your debt to GDP ratio sustains at over 100% and rising and you devalue the currency while interest rates rise making it more costly to maintain that debt

Simply cutting fraud and waste or “the illegals” isn’t going to be the fix

@LMAO

No,but they WOULD be a good first step and it WOULD make a huge difference in the financial stability of America and her citizens.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 22, 2023, 06:01:01 pm
Honestly, I think that's a gigantic myth. Any government program of significant size, especially an entitlement program whose benefits are mandated by law, is going to inherently have a level of waste/fraud/abuse that cannot be eradicated.  So you either acknowledge that reality, or you don't have the programs at all.

The core problem for that is that the low level employees who would be most able to detect fraud or abuse don't have (and can't be given) the power or authority to deny payment based just on a suspicion. And there are always going to be enough loopholes in black letter administrative law that people are going to be able to exploit them for an extended period before being caught.

I don't think so... It is a monolithic protected bureaucratic conglomerate industry that has not suffered any reform in decades. To say it is bloated and inefficient would be all too kind by a couple orders of magnitude.

You could slash and burn for weeks and months and never even make it near that river.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on March 22, 2023, 06:03:42 pm
Maybe

But it would be a drop in the bucket

They’re are to many that don’t see the crisis that can develop when your debt to GDP ratio sustains at over 100% and rising and you devalue the currency while interest rates rise making it more costly to maintain that debt

Simply cutting fraud and waste or “the illegals” isn’t going to be the fix

I just wonder if we've entered a new era where it just doesn't matter anymore. All of our currency's competitors are actually worse than we are at this stuff.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 22, 2023, 06:06:18 pm
Have you guys seen the low-level government employees who administer those entitlement programs at the local level?  If they wrongfully deny someone benefits to which they are entitled, that's when the fecal matter really hits the pitched rotating blades, media gets alerted, etc..  And why should those workers care when it isn't their money anyway.

They have a rational, self-interested bias in always erring in the side of "If in doubt, send the check", and there is no feasible way of changing that.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 06:09:05 pm
I'm talking some Trump voters specifically, but yes.  As long as it goes to the working class.

I read a lot from various Trumpers regarding the COVID stimulus bills.  People wanted their checks to be large, but didn't want money going to illegals or for other stuff.

@Maj. Bill Martin

I have to admit that I never read or even saw those posts.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 06:16:01 pm
No, it's not but a drop in the bucket... Entitlements are one of the largest expenses. If you can knock 25% off that bill, and still meet obligations, that would be an EPIC discount, and a righteous step in the right direction...

Not to mention the savings knocking the props out from under the Insurance/Medical sectors, which are holding costs extraordinarily high... Which has a a whole lot to do with price fixing coming out of Medicaid/Medicare.

I agree it ain't a proper fix, but it's whoppin big low-hanging fruit.

@roamer_1

It may not be the total answer,depending on WHAT entitlements you are favoring ending,but it would be a start,and we HAVE to start somewhere.

I WILL fight any step to stop or cut veterans benefits for disabled vets,though. I am a 100 percent service-connected disabled veteran,and certain promises WERE made to me when I enlisted and re-enlisted in the army,and I damn sure expect those promises to be kept.

After all,if my only options are to either starve to death or take up my rifle and go into politics and at least die on my feet,guess which one I will take.

And I won't be alone by a long shot. No pun intended.

One group I expect to see beside me are the seniors that paid into SS for decades and who are too old and feeble to work anymore.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 22, 2023, 06:16:02 pm
Not that I’m surprised, but I think SP is admitting what the rest of us already know.

Donald Trump gets a second term, expect an explosion in government spending and the debt and the size of the federal government.

This idea that presidents can’t do anything about spending or the  debt is false. Andrew Jackson paid it off. Calvin Coolidge reduced it and I believe Eisenhower did, also
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 06:17:51 pm
Now you’re moving the goalposts

And I don’t get what your issue with the word “appears.”  Trump has already said no to any entitlement reform. And he won’t even go after the boondoggle called ethanol subsidies

And your answer still proves you know the difference between mandatory and discretionary spending

@LMAO

I missed that. Do you have a current link to him saying that you can provide.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 22, 2023, 06:25:02 pm
@roamer_1

It may not be the total answer,depending on WHAT entitlements you are favoring ending,but it would be a start,and we HAVE to start somewhere.

I WILL fight any step to stop or cut veterans benefits for disabled vets,though. I am a 100 percent service-connected disabled veteran,and certain promises WERE made to me when I enlisted and re-enlisted in the army,and I damn sure expect those promises to be kept.

After all,if my only options are to either starve to death or take up my rifle and go into politics and at least die on my feet,guess which one I will take.

And I won't be alone by a long shot. No pun intended.

One group I expect to see beside me are the seniors that paid into SS for decades and who are too old and feeble to work anymore.

Please point to one person who is seriously talking about cutting off disabled vets or low-income seniors.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 22, 2023, 06:27:20 pm
@LMAO

I missed that. Do you have a current link to him saying that you can provide.


Which one. Entitlement reform?



Trump’s position echoes his long-held, albeit unorthodox, conviction that the Republican Party should stay away from attaching themselves to entitlement reform. Prior to being elected president, Trump was highly critical of then-Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) for pushing austerity budgets during the Obama years.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/20/trump-gop-medicare-social-security-debt-ceiling-00078731

Or ethanol…

Trump touted support for ethanol, and an executive order he made while in office to allow for year-round sales of 15% ethanol gasoline blend.

https://qctimes.com/news/local/government-and-politics/elections/davenport-visit-trump-calls-desantis-very-very-bad-on-ethanol/article_90474b73-9f1a-5add-92c5-482e23ea56bc.html



Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 22, 2023, 06:31:27 pm
@roamer_1

It may not be the total answer,depending on WHAT entitlements you are favoring ending,but it would be a start,and we HAVE to start somewhere.


As I said, @sneakypete ... 'without even touching benefits'... Doesn't hurt a damn thing for you, and makes government smaller for me.

That's the thing with taking the axe to over-bloated bureaucracies. Ain't no downside.

In my mind, Fed would get out of Entitlements entirely, as they are the bailiwick of the States, and a mighty hammer used against the states to make them go along with federal designs... That hammer needs to go away.

The exceptions of course being: vets, active duty mil, active and retired federal system employees, all of which are covered under the federal aegis.

But I don't think your federal retirement/disability would be as attractive in the competitive and innovative environment opened up by handing entitlements back to the states.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 22, 2023, 06:33:57 pm
Please point to one person who is seriously talking about cutting off disabled vets or low-income seniors.

 

He’s earned those benefits. It’s our way of saying “thank you SneakyPete for your service.” And as far as I’m concerned, my personal opinion is, we can never repay him enough for the sacrifices he made for this country

Whatever political differences, I have with him, I have a deep respect for him and his military service

I’d sit down and have a beer with him any day of the week


Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 22, 2023, 06:41:43 pm


He’s earned those benefits. It’s our way of saying “thank you SneakyPete for your service.” And as far as I’m concerned, my personal opinion is, we can never repay him enough for the sacrifices he made for this country

I’d sit down and have a beer with him any day of the week

In fact, to vets damaged/disabled in theater, it is no where near enough.
Two of my very dear friends were Nam vets... and their retirement/disability was meager. A pittance.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 22, 2023, 06:43:27 pm


He’s earned those benefits. It’s our way of saying “thank you SneakyPete for your service.” And as far as I’m concerned, my personal opinion is, we can never repay him enough for the sacrifices he made for this country

Whatever political differences, I have with him, I have a deep respect for him and his military service

I’d sit down and have a beer with him any day of the week




:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 22, 2023, 06:48:10 pm
In fact, to vets damaged/disabled in theater, it is no where near enough.
Two of my very dear friends were Nam vets... and their retirement/disability was meager. A pittance.

To say nothing about the mistreatment they got when they came home

We had an Air Force Base that closed down in the mid-70s in Duluth Minnesota. One of the neighbor boys came back from Vietnam and I remember there was a local party for him. But the vets were overall mistreated by society.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Bigun on March 22, 2023, 07:05:58 pm


He’s earned those benefits. It’s our way of saying “thank you SneakyPete for your service.” And as far as I’m concerned, my personal opinion is, we can never repay him enough for the sacrifices he made for this country

Whatever political differences, I have with him, I have a deep respect for him and his military service

I’d sit down and have a beer with him any day of the week

First round's on me!
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 22, 2023, 07:12:01 pm
First round's on me!

And second on me.

Yep, I was two years too young to sweat the Nam ping pong lottery.

But....Props to Pete and his gang for their service!!!  The treatment our Nam vets got was one of the biggest disgraces of the past century.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 22, 2023, 07:56:38 pm
@Maj. Bill Martin

I have to admit that I never read or even saw those posts.

That's TOS stuff.  But I also read stuff like that during the pandemic.  I mean, it wasn't like Trump was saying "no stimulus", right?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 22, 2023, 08:59:10 pm
To say nothing about the mistreatment they got when they came home

We had an Air Force Base that closed down in the mid-70s in Duluth Minnesota. One of the neighbor boys came back from Vietnam and I remember there was a local party for him. But the vets were overall mistreated by society.

Not so much here either... Country folks always have sons in the military, and always always welcome their sons back with open arms.  They'd have to stand up at the rodeo at the county fair and get an ovation.

But that don't pay the bills, right?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 10:52:39 pm
Please point to one person who is seriously talking about cutting off disabled vets or low-income seniors.

@Kamaji

I am NOT implying they are. I am merely stating there are clearly Dims that would if they could.

Maybe even a few RINO's.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 10:57:25 pm

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Which one. Entitlement reform?


@LMAO


Yes.



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Trump’s position echoes his long-held, albeit unorthodox, conviction that the Republican Party should stay away from attaching themselves to entitlement reform.

That statement is a two-edged sword that can be swung two different ways.

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Prior to being elected president, Trump was highly critical of then-Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) for pushing austerity budgets during the Obama years.

That was then,and things have gotten much worse since then. I am hoping he will have changed his mind on this issue.

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Or ethanol…

Trump touted support for ethanol, and an executive order he made while in office to allow for year-round sales of 15% ethanol gasoline blend.

Being a fan  and owner of antique  cars  and trucks,I am no  fan  of ethanol,but I just don't see it going away any  time soon,regardless of who is in the WH.

 
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 11:03:51 pm
As I said, @sneakypete ... 'without even touching benefits'... Doesn't hurt a damn thing for you, and makes government smaller for me.

That's the thing with taking the axe to over-bloated bureaucracies. Ain't no downside.

In my mind, Fed would get out of Entitlements entirely, as they are the bailiwick of the States, and a mighty hammer used against the states to make them go along with federal designs... That hammer needs to go away.

@roamer_1

I sure can't argue with that.


The exceptions of course being: vets, active duty mil, active and retired federal system employees, all of which are covered under the federal aegis.

But I don't think your federal retirement/disability would be as attractive in the competitive and innovative environment opened up by handing entitlements back to the states.

I am unsure what you mean by that. Do you mean "attractive to the budget cutters"?

I am not so sure of that. The most rabid budget cutters don't seem to  have any limits when it comes to cutting  budgets,because THEIR prime concern is about "What is good for Me,me,ME,DAMMIT?"

They want to pay zero dollars in taxes,regardless of who else it hurts,including national defense.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 22, 2023, 11:05:44 pm


He’s earned those benefits. It’s our way of saying “thank you SneakyPete for your service.” And as far as I’m concerned, my personal opinion is, we can never repay him enough for the sacrifices he made for this country

Whatever political differences, I have with him, I have a deep respect for him and his military service

I’d sit down and have a beer with him any day of the week

Veterans benefits are a damn contract.  You served based on the promise that you'd be entitled to those benefits, and you cannot break that promise.  I don't consider those an "entitlement" because they were an earned benefit.

One rung down from that are Social Security and Medicare.  You promised people they could rely on those in their retirement, they planned on it, and so changing that for people who already have retired and are too old is also unreasonable.  The way to make changes to those programs is by reducing benefits to people who have not yet retired, on a sliding scale.

None of those considerations apply to other entitlement programs where people are just given money not for services performed, and not as part of retirement.  Those are the ones that should be reduced the most.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 11:06:00 pm


He’s earned those benefits. It’s our way of saying “thank you SneakyPete for your service.” And as far as I’m concerned, my personal opinion is, we can never repay him enough for the sacrifices he made for this country

Whatever political differences, I have with him, I have a deep respect for him and his military service

I’d sit down and have a beer with him any day of the week.

@LMAO

Thank you,and I would with you as long as we had an  agreement to not talk politics. Although as a former drunk I no longer drink any beverages with alcohol,I would be happy  to drink tea or coffee while you had your beer.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 22, 2023, 11:25:14 pm
Veterans benefits are a damn contract.  You served based on the promise that you'd be entitled to those benefits, and you cannot break that promise.  I don't consider those an "entitlement" because they were an earned benefit.

One rung down from that are Social Security and Medicare.  You promised people they could rely on those in their retirement, they planned on it, and so changing that for people who already have retired and are too old is also unreasonable.  The way to make changes those programs n entitlements.

None of those considerations apply to other entitlement programs where people are just given money not for services performed, and not as part of retirement.  Those are the ones that should be reduced the most.

I isn't going to help when the assumed(for now) GOP nominee wants to demagogue the entitlement issue. In an attempt  to get the MAGA votes, I fear  people like DeSantis may end up forced to go full Bernie Sanders on spending
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 11:30:55 pm
In fact, to vets damaged/disabled in theater, it is no where near enough.
Two of my very dear friends were Nam vets... and their retirement/disability was meager. A pittance.

@roamer_1

When I got out of the army my disability rating was only 10 percent,and that was for an injured back on a parachute jump. That meant I was getting less than 80-some dollars a month (don't remember the exact figures),and that completely cut me out of more than that each week in unemployment because I was considered to be psychically unable to hold a job as a laborer,and those were the only jobs the unemployment geeks were willing to send me out on to interview.

After all,there aren't many jobs open in the civilian sector for "SF Recon Team Leader"

Plus there was the "baby killer" bias widely spread by the left against EVERYBODY that had been in the military.

Even in 1970 there was no way in hell you could even eat for 80 bucks a month,never mind pay rent,but car insurance,etc,etc,etc.

It even kept me from getting a job as a letter carrier with USPS because they claimed I couldn't carry a letter bag.

Things changed rapidly once Agent Orange became a public issue,and I went from being rated at 10 percent disabled,to 70 percent disabled. Which made a HUGE difference in my life.

And I was FAR from being the only VN vet treated this way by state unemployment agents,as well as people in the VA hospitals who kept telling me I had acne all over my torso and just needed to shower more often. That pretty much stopped the day I grabbed a VA clerk by the front of his shirt and dragged him across his desk to explain to him that "Yes,I WILL be seeing a doctor here today". I had driven close to 100 miles one way to get to the VA hospital,and had lost my whole sense of humor about that thing by that time.

Another time I was up there with 3 pulled muscles in my back to see about getting some Valium to deal with the pain,and after standing in the 3rd line to be interviewed by a VA clerk,had the black female clerk look over my shoulder and ask the black guy  standing behine me "May I help  you?" I kinda lost it and told her "Lookie here,bitch. You are either going to help ME next,or YOU are going to be the one that needs to see a bleeping doctor!".

THAT got me into a shrinks office,which got me into a doctor's office.

All this in order to renew a prescription for a bottle of Valiums.

I got a psyc evaluation and upgrade of 10 percent in my disability rating due to that.IIRC,that damn near doubled my disability pay.

 I will give the VA shrinks I saw (3 different ones because you never saw the same doc twice at a VA hospital back then) credit for believing me when I told them I wasn't crazy,just pissed off at the VA system.

Even got to keep the extra 10 percent disability! I guess the VA was just covering their asses on that one.

The VA has changed immensely since those days. I recently had two different VA clerks call me at home to help me get registered at a outcare clinic closer to home,and I didn't even ask either to do this. I had applied to the outcare clinic twice and been turned down both times for "reasons" unknown to me,and for some odd reason these two clerks took it upon themselves to make the clinic accept me. They did this,and I have never even seen either of them. I just answsered their questions over the phone.

This would have NEVER happened in the 70's.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 22, 2023, 11:34:32 pm
Not so much here either... Country folks always have sons in the military, and always always welcome their sons back with open arms.  They'd have to stand up at the rodeo at the county fair and get an ovation.

But that don't pay the bills, right?

@roamer_1

It CAN,because it can get you jobs.

I was actually turned down for jobs and told it was because "You might be one of those psycho Green Beret killers we have all heard about".

No kidding. Try to change somebody's mind that thinks like THAT.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Texas Yellow Rose on March 22, 2023, 11:38:38 pm
 :thumbsup: @sneakypete
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 23, 2023, 12:04:27 am
@roamer_1
 
The VA has changed immensely since those days. I recently had two different VA clerks call me at home to help me get registered at a outcare clinic closer to home,and I didn't even ask either to do this. I had applied to the outcare clinic twice and been turned down both times for "reasons" unknown to me,and for some odd reason these two clerks took it upon themselves to make the clinic accept me. They did this,and I have never even seen either of them. I just answsered their questions over the phone.

This would have NEVER happened in the 70's.

@sneakypete I continue to be amazed when you tell your unbelievable journey and story.

I admire you and most of all I am absolutely thankful for your service.   :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

(I know you don't want to hear this, but maybe, just maybe, the odd reason that the two clerks helped you may have been the Good Lord's handiwork.)  Yep, you can cuss me out or find fault, but please don't take offense ... just had to throw in my two cents...
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 23, 2023, 03:09:34 am

I am unsure what you mean by that. Do you mean "attractive to the budget cutters"?

I am not so sure of that. The most rabid budget cutters don't seem to  have any limits when it comes to cutting  budgets,because THEIR prime concern is about "What is good for Me,me,ME,DAMMIT?"

They want to pay zero dollars in taxes,regardless of who else it hurts,including national defense.


No, @sneakypete ... The two are not mutually exclusive. You can have efficient, tight management, AND benefits too.

The whole point of federalism (proper authority resting in the states, not the fed) is fifty ways, fifty experiments going at the same time... Rather than a federal dictate to all, that experimentation will provide efficiencies and competition that will winnow through the various states and find the best ways - Far better than what the fed does in its dictatorial way.

And if something doesn't work well, it will be limited to a few states and not everyone.

So it is always better to foster a distributed system.

And states are closer to the bone - closer to their constituents - I guarantee there is a far better chance of controlling bloated administration in the states.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: corbe on March 23, 2023, 03:15:09 am
   There is an apparent small tear in the Space-Time Continuum. 
   Trumpers have been quiet since calling DeSantis gay, yesterday.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 23, 2023, 03:20:07 am
After all,there aren't many jobs open in the civilian sector for "SF Recon Team Leader"

@sneakypete

Seen the whole thing before... the whole runaround.

Them two fellers that taught me my woods sense were an LRRP team. Ain't spec ops, no doubt, but their tour put them in hand-to-hand forward positions all the time. Quiet long range forward scouts, and some sniper work, I take it.

So they didn't have it easy at home either. One wound up an owner of a welding shop, the other went to ranching... Horses. Neither ever kept a job after the military.

One evened out alright, the other wound up hillbilly way back in the sticks, because he was too jangly for town.

Neither got much help from Uncle Sam.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: corbe on March 23, 2023, 03:26:55 am
   When attacking DeSantis no longer juices his base he will promise to release ALL the JFK files or do a Complete UFO dump on FOX, Mark my word.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 23, 2023, 04:04:18 am
No, @sneakypete ... The two are not mutually exclusive. You can have efficient, tight management, AND benefits too.

The whole point of federalism (proper authority resting in the states, not the fed) is fifty ways, fifty experiments going at the same time... Rather than a federal dictate to all, that experimentation will provide efficiencies and competition that will winnow through the various states and find the best ways - Far better than what the fed does in its dictatorial way.

And if something doesn't work well, it will be limited to a few states and not everyone.

So it is always better to foster a distributed system.

And states are closer to the bone - closer to their constituents - I guarantee there is a far better chance of controlling bloated administration in the states.

@roamer_1

I know and agree with all of that,but that is NOT the way things are working now. We have globalists in charge of our government,and their goal is domination and control,NOT efficiency or freedom.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 23, 2023, 04:05:26 am
   There is an apparent small tear in the Space-Time Continuum. 
   Trumpers have been quiet since calling DeSantis gay, yesterday.

@corbe

WHO was doing this?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 23, 2023, 04:07:32 am
@roamer_1

I know and agree with all of that,but that is NOT the way things are working now. We have globalists in charge of our government,and their goal is domination and control,NOT efficiency or freedom.

@sneakypete

That's exactly right, and why I will suffer no fools when it comes to big government on the right. That's  why I will never vote for Tumpy.

This sh*t's just naturally got to stop. And if the right won't stand for small government nobody will.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 23, 2023, 04:23:21 am
   There is an apparent small tear in the Space-Time Continuum. 
   Trumpers have been quiet since calling DeSantis gay, yesterday.

Who did that.....?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: corbe on March 23, 2023, 02:22:37 pm
Even Fox News hosts are shocked by Trump going after Ron DeSantis’ sexuality

The former President said DeSantis could face sexual assault allegations from 'possibly a man!'

Jacob Seitz Jacob Seitz Tech Posted on Mar 20, 2023

Former President Donald Trump appeared to question Florida Governor Ron DeSantis’ (R) sexuality in a Truth Social post on Monday.

“Ron DeSanctimonious will probably find out about FALSE ACCUSATIONS & FAKE STORIES sometime in the future, as he gets older, wiser, and better known, when he’s unfairly and illegally attacked by a woman, even classmates that are “underage” (or possibly a man!). I’m sure he will want to fight these misfits just like I do!” Trump wrote.

<..snip..>

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/trump-truth-social-ron-desantis-gay/ (https://www.dailydot.com/debug/trump-truth-social-ron-desantis-gay/)

   @sneakypete  @Right_in_Virginia
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 23, 2023, 02:30:45 pm
Even Fox News hosts are shocked by Trump going after Ron DeSantis’ sexuality

The former President said DeSantis could face sexual assault allegations from 'possibly a man!'

Jacob Seitz Jacob Seitz Tech Posted on Mar 20, 2023

Former President Donald Trump appeared to question Florida Governor Ron DeSantis’ (R) sexuality in a Truth Social post on Monday.

“Ron DeSanctimonious will probably find out about FALSE ACCUSATIONS & FAKE STORIES sometime in the future, as he gets older, wiser, and better known, when he’s unfairly and illegally attacked by a woman, even classmates that are “underage” (or possibly a man!). I’m sure he will want to fight these misfits just like I do!” Trump wrote.

<..snip..>

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/trump-truth-social-ron-desantis-gay/ (https://www.dailydot.com/debug/trump-truth-social-ron-desantis-gay/)

   @sneakypete  @Right_in_Virginia

I wonder how much overtime pay the Stone/Pecker slime machine is making right now?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 23, 2023, 02:43:10 pm
Even Fox News hosts are shocked by Trump going after Ron DeSantis’ sexuality

   @sneakypete  @Right_in_Virginia

Thanks @corbe     I thought you were referring to a Briefer.  I had seen this before and put it in the "wait and see pile".   :laugh:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 23, 2023, 02:45:27 pm
I know the primary season is pretty much a year away, but Trump has built up some huge momentum against DeSantis in the polls.

I know polls  are worthless, especially  at this point, but if DJT does have a valid 20-30 point lead say next February, this thing is pretty much over before it starts.

But, in my case, his recent behavior has precluded me, lifting the tiniest finger to help.  Heck, I might even vote 3rd party.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on March 23, 2023, 03:07:25 pm
Roger Stone is pretty much a professional scumbag huh? And literally a cuck.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Idiot on March 23, 2023, 03:11:12 pm
Thanks @corbe     I thought you were referring to a Briefer.  I had seen this before and put it in the "wait and see pile".   :laugh:
Yup...Trump is acting like a Christian alright.  **nononono*
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 23, 2023, 03:11:30 pm
I know the primary season is pretty much a year away, but Trump has built up some huge momentum against DeSantis in the polls.

I know polls  are worthless, especially  at this point, but if DJT does have a valid 20-30 point lead say next February, this thing is pretty much over before it starts.

But, in my case, his recent behavior has precluded me, lifting the tiniest finger to help.  Heck, I might even vote 3rd party.

As will I. I am a conservative, Not a populist.

A Trump nomination will pretty much guarantee Biden second term or a possible replacement democrat as president.

We will have to maintain the House  and try to take the Senate in 2024 . Although Trump lost the presidential election in 2020, Republicans made gains in Congress.

From what I’ve read, the Democrats have more Senate seats they have to defend this year than in 2022.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Idiot on March 23, 2023, 03:14:21 pm
As will I. I am a conservative, Not a populist.

A Trump nomination will pretty much guarantee Biden second term or a possible replacement democrat as president.

We will have to maintain the House  and try to take the Senate in 2024 . Although Trump lost the presidential election in 2020, Republicans made gains in Congress.

From what I’ve read, the Democrats have more Senate seats they have to defend this year than in 2022.
Look how far our country has fallen in the last 2 years.  Can you imagine 6 more?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 23, 2023, 03:28:36 pm
Roger Stone is pretty much a professional scumbag huh? And literally a cuck.

And that's a kind assessment. And his cohort David Pecker (Mr. National Inquirer) is maybe worse. They basically orchestrated the '16 National Sleaze Campaign for his Orangness.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 23, 2023, 03:29:44 pm
Even Fox News hosts are shocked by Trump going after Ron DeSantis’ sexuality

The former President said DeSantis could face sexual assault allegations from 'possibly a man!'

Jacob Seitz Jacob Seitz Tech Posted on Mar 20, 2023

Former President Donald Trump appeared to question Florida Governor Ron DeSantis’ (R) sexuality in a Truth Social post on Monday.

“Ron DeSanctimonious will probably find out about FALSE ACCUSATIONS & FAKE STORIES sometime in the future, as he gets older, wiser, and better known, when he’s unfairly and illegally attacked by a woman, even classmates that are “underage” (or possibly a man!). I’m sure he will want to fight these misfits just like I do!” Trump wrote.

<..snip..>

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/trump-truth-social-ron-desantis-gay/ (https://www.dailydot.com/debug/trump-truth-social-ron-desantis-gay/)

   @sneakypete  @Right_in_Virginia

@corbe

Getting hysterical and getting your panties all in a wad,ain't  ya,missy?

TRUMP is NOT questioning the sexuality of DeSantis. He is saying the media will do this if he runs and becomes a threat to the Dims.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 23, 2023, 03:32:07 pm
@corbe

Getting hysterical and getting your panties all in a wad,ain't  ya,missy?

TRUMP is NOT questioning the sexuality of DeSantis. He is saying the media will do this if he runs and becomes a threat to the Dims.

Funny when it comes from our side you get all bent of shape with your silly orange, rude, and bad man comments.  But lo, if anything comes from your hero or his minions.....   all is fine and perfect.  Which way to you want it Pete?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Sighlass on March 23, 2023, 03:36:55 pm
   There is an apparent small tear in the Space-Time Continuum. 
   Trumpers have been quiet since calling DeSantis gay, yesterday.

The tactic has been used by Trump quite a lot in the past.... The suggestion spread....

Example: I have heard the "Rumor A" and I don't know if "Rumor A" is really 100% true but it would be bad if "Rumor A" was, but I won't be mentioning certainly "Rumor A" and certainly "Worse Rumor B"... Next event rinse and repeat the deniable rumor for the press to spread if it has gained any traction. 
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 23, 2023, 03:37:28 pm
Look how far our country has fallen in the last 2 years.  Can you imagine 6 more?

Neither Donald Trump, nor Ron DeSantis’s gonna “save America.”  So it comes down to what they can do as president. A president can’t “save America.”

And maybe we’re on an unstoppable decline. I’d  like to think at some point, this will all turn around. And it needs to start at the state and local level. If you’re looking for a president that will “save America,” prepare for disappointment.

Many of these governors are leading the way in their states. Abbott, DeSantis, Noem, and now, Sarah Huckabee Sanders

I still stand my prediction that the next Republican president, I don’t know when, will be a former governor
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 23, 2023, 03:39:17 pm
The tactic has been used by Trump quite a lot.... The suggestion spread....

Example: I have heard the "Rumor A" and I don't know if "Rumor A" is really 100% true but it would be bad if "Rumor A" was, but I won't be mentioning certainly "Rumor A" and certainly "Worse Rumor B"... Next event rinse and repeat the deniable rumor for the press to spread if it has gained any traction.

Stone/Pecker axiom No. 1.  Start a rumour, leak it, deny you start it.....  wash rinse, repeat.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 23, 2023, 03:54:53 pm
@corbe

Getting hysterical and getting your panties all in a wad,ain't  ya,missy?

TRUMP is NOT questioning the sexuality of DeSantis. He is saying the media will do this if he runs and becomes a threat to the Dims.

 :thumbsup:

You win the Internet today @sneakypete
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: corbe on March 23, 2023, 04:03:08 pm
   I don't wear panties for that very reason @sneakypete I wear Thongs.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on March 23, 2023, 04:12:00 pm
Neither Donald Trump, nor Ron DeSantis’s gonna “save America.”  So it comes down to what they can do as president. A president can’t “save America.”

And maybe we’re on an unstoppable decline. I’d  like to think at some point, this will all turn around. And it needs to start at the state and local level. If you’re looking for a president that will “save America,” prepare for disappointment.

Many of these governors are leading the way in their states. Abbott, DeSantis, Noem, and now, Sarah Huckabee Sanders

I still stand my prediction that the next Republican president, I don’t know when, will be a former governor

We spend a lot of time blaming politicians in this country, how come the voters escape blame?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Sighlass on March 23, 2023, 04:18:49 pm
Stone/Pecker axiom No. 1.  Start a rumour, leak it, deny you start it.....  wash rinse, repeat.

That is why I like you guys/gals... You know the games/terms/tricks like pros.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: bigheadfred on March 23, 2023, 04:21:09 pm
We spend a lot of time blaming politicians in this country, how come the voters escape blame?

They know not what they do.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Free Vulcan on March 23, 2023, 04:24:51 pm
   I don't wear panties for that very reason @sneakypete I wear Thongs.

(https://www.pewpewtactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Full-auto-M2.gif)

Commando!
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 23, 2023, 04:38:38 pm
We spend a lot of time blaming politicians in this country, how come the voters escape blame?

Exactly

When we read articles about these woke DA’s, as an example, and the violent crime their soft on crime policies promote, we forget that it was the voters that put them there.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 23, 2023, 11:18:00 pm
Funny when it comes from our side you get all bent of shape with your silly orange, rude, and bad man comments.  But lo, if anything comes from your hero or his minions.....   all is fine and perfect.  Which way to you want it Pete?

@catfish1957

I have ZERO problem with Trump and his supporters being VERY aggressive when dealing with the Dims and RINO's.

A better question is "Why do you and others like you love it when it's directed at Trump,and hate it when it is Trump doing it?

One thing is certain,if the RINO's get to determine who is going to run as the Republican Candidate for the WH,it WILL be a "Miss Manners Republican",and the RNC is going to get handed their asses again.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 23, 2023, 11:26:10 pm
We spend a lot of time blaming politicians in this country, how come the voters escape blame?

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

Mostly  because most are mindless cretins that only vote for who has the sexiest wife,is the sexiest candidate,or tells the best lies.

And even then these cretins only begin to take an interest the last few weeks of a campaign.

Truthfully,I am not certain they should even be allowed to vote.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 23, 2023, 11:30:40 pm
@catfish1957

I have ZERO problem with Trump and his supporters being VERY aggressive when dealing with the Dims and RINO's.

A better question is "Why do you and others like you love it when it's directed at Trump,and hate it when it is Trump doing it?

One thing is certain,if the RINO's get to determine who is going to run as the Republican Candidate for the WHY,it WILL be a "Miss Manners Republican",and the RNC is going to get handed their asses again.

Trump creates much of his own drama and slings mud at good conservatives --- so he deserves some heat.  I don't relish in the fact that he's digging his own hole.  I think it truly is a shame that he is greatly diminishing his chances and the chances of any GOP being seated.

Unless the RNC has their act together there's not a snowball's chance that the GOP will be seated anyways.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: corbe on March 23, 2023, 11:36:25 pm
   Took my Thong off for this one, @sneakypete I think many people here are NOT dems or rinos ~ We are Conservatives and Trump and his supporters have made it plain for everyone to see, since his immaculation, that we are not in his political calculation to success, 'The Art of the Deal'.  He'd rather make deals with dems and rinos than deal with principled Conservatives.  We are treated like meaningless bi1ches and his attacks on Cruz in 16 and DeSantis now proves this.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Idiot on March 24, 2023, 12:11:03 am
Neither Donald Trump, nor Ron DeSantis’s gonna “save America.”  So it comes down to what they can do as president. A president can’t “save America.”

And maybe we’re on an unstoppable decline. I’d  like to think at some point, this will all turn around. And it needs to start at the state and local level. If you’re looking for a president that will “save America,” prepare for disappointment.

Many of these governors are leading the way in their states. Abbott, DeSantis, Noem, and now, Sarah Huckabee Sanders

I still stand my prediction that the next Republican president, I don’t know when, will be a former governor
I stand by my prediction that there will never be another republican elected president (conservative).
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 24, 2023, 01:12:48 am
I stand by my prediction that there will never be another republican elected president (conservative).

I think you are absolutely correct.  The DEMS have a handle on how to steal an election.  We have millions of ILLEGALS crossing the border -- those ILLEGALS will eventually be DEM voters.  It will be mathematically impossible for any GOP to be seated. The GOP knows it, so does the RNC. What we have is an illusion of a two party system.

The only way this Republic is going to be saved is by the people. 

"If freedom is what we want, it is ours for the taking.
Let the Revolution begin".
     - Dr. Ron Paul
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 24, 2023, 02:18:48 am
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Unless the RNC has their act together there's not a snowball's chance that the GOP will be seated anyways.

The problem is:. The GOP/RNC "act together" guarantees a globalist, America Last, elitist as the candidate ----- so they'd be choosing the next designated loser.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Sighlass on March 24, 2023, 06:55:21 pm
@catfish1957
A better question is "Why do you and others like you love it when it's directed at Trump,and hate it when it is Trump doing it?

How many times have I said "I don't like Trump BUT this or that is wrongly used in some fashion against him"... I don't want to be hypocritical is the reason I have stated that very phrase a good 50 times or more (just guessing of course) over the years in replies here at TBR.

I still don't like Trump, but right is right and wrong is wrong... pointing out flaws in even one's own candidate is being true to truth (and religiously to the Lord), there is no 100% perfect candidate, though the one I found closest (Roy) was ran down in the ground because of unfounded rumors and lies. Do unto others as you would want done to you... and that includes Trump.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 24, 2023, 10:40:45 pm
How many times have I said "I don't like Trump BUT this or that is wrongly used in some fashion against him"... I don't want to be hypocritical is the reason I have stated that very phrase a good 50 times or more (just guessing of course) over the years in replies here at TBR.

I still don't like Trump, but right is right and wrong is wrong... pointing out flaws in even one's own candidate is being true to truth (and religiously to the Lord), there is no 100% perfect candidate, though the one I found closest (Roy) was ran down in the ground because of unfounded rumors and lies. Do unto others as you would want done to you... and that includes Trump.

@Sighlass

It appears I was wrong to include you in that cabal. My apologies.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 24, 2023, 10:54:39 pm
@Sighlass

It appears I was wrong to include you in that cabal. My apologies.

You are wrong to put anyone here in that cabal.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 25, 2023, 12:41:06 am
You are wrong to put anyone here in that cabal.

@roamer_1

Yeah,causen you have never been critical of Trump,right?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Sighlass on March 25, 2023, 02:11:52 am
@Sighlass
It appears I was wrong to include you in that cabal. My apologies.

All good, we will clash on something else later. Nothing personal (though I often do wear my heart on my sleeve when I shouldn't). Also as others pointed out, I also feel a nation should take care of it's soldiers, thanks for your service Pete.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 25, 2023, 02:17:44 am
@roamer_1

Yeah,causen you have never been critical of Trump,right?

Oh no, I am critical of hm all the time... Nearly daily. With just cause.
What your myopic view fails to see is that I have defended him too.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 25, 2023, 04:49:24 am
Oh no, I am critical of hm all the time... Nearly daily. With just cause.
What your myopic view fails to see is that I have defended him too.

@roamer_1

What did you do,write that "He doesn't sweat much for a fat guy!"?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 25, 2023, 05:54:54 am
@roamer_1

What did you do,write that "He doesn't sweat much for a fat guy!"?

@sneakypete

I have been generally supportive of him in foreign policy.
I began supportive of his border initiatives.
I began supportive of his COVID initiatives.
All along I have been cognizant of the raw deal in the press.
The Jerusalem embassy deal was great - With him all the way.
Never bought the Russia Russia Russia bullcrap.
Never bought the FBI raid and secret documents crap.

And etc.

That's off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: massadvj on March 30, 2023, 02:57:28 am
WTF?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1640756732287746063 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1640756732287746063)

Trump says "time will tell" whether Wray was a good choice for FBI director, appointed him because "the other side" wanted him. How can Trump not know that Wray was a disastrous choice? More importantly, if he cannot acknowledge his mistakes, how can we trust him to do better next time?

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Kamaji on March 30, 2023, 10:13:41 am
WTF?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1640756732287746063 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1640756732287746063)

Trump says "time will tell" whether Wray was a good choice for FBI director, appointed him because "the other side" wanted him. How can Trump not know that Wray was a disastrous choice? More importantly, if he cannot acknowledge his mistakes, how can we trust him to do better next time?



The tweet isn't displaying properly; perhaps this version will:

https://twitter.com/emeriticus/status/1640756732287746063
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 30, 2023, 10:54:50 am
@sneakypete

I have been generally supportive of him in foreign policy.
I began supportive of his border initiatives.
I began supportive of his COVID initiatives.
All along I have been cognizant of the raw deal in the press.
The Jerusalem embassy deal was great - With him all the way.
Never bought the Russia Russia Russia bullcrap.
Never bought the FBI raid and secret documents crap.

And etc.

That's off the top of my head.

@roamer_1

I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 30, 2023, 10:57:22 am
WTF?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1640756732287746063 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1640756732287746063)

Trump says "time will tell" whether Wray was a good choice for FBI director, appointed him because "the other side" wanted him. How can Trump not know that Wray was a disastrous choice? More importantly, if he cannot acknowledge his mistakes, how can we trust him to do better next time?

@massadvj

I'm a HUGE fan of Link Wray. Maybe it's time  we started putting non-pols in positions like that? The "pros" don't seem to be doing very well.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: art.prout on March 30, 2023, 11:29:04 am
@massadvj

I'm a HUGE fan of Link Wray. Maybe it's time  we started putting non-pols in positions like that? The "pros" don't seem to be doing very well.

You and me both.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucTg6rZJCu4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucTg6rZJCu4)
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 30, 2023, 11:44:43 am
@art.prout

I'll see your "Rumble",and raise you a "Backwoods Preacher Man".

Don't  make  me  go  to "Rocket 88"!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJcboxIVha4
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: art.prout on March 30, 2023, 11:47:32 am
@art.prout

I'll see your "Rumble",and raise you a "Backwoods Preacher Man".

Don't  make  me  go  to "Rocket 88"!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJcboxIVha4

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 30, 2023, 12:28:19 pm
@sneakypete

I have been generally supportive of him in foreign policy.
I began supportive of his border initiatives.
I began supportive of his COVID initiatives.
All along I have been cognizant of the raw deal in the press.
The Jerusalem embassy deal was great - With him all the way.
Never bought the Russia Russia Russia bullcrap.
Never bought the FBI raid and secret documents crap.
And etc.

That's off the top of my head.

My list would add appointment of Judges/Justice
But I do think he screwed up to some extent with the documents.  Not enough to justify what the FBI did, but I do think he gave them the opening they needed.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 30, 2023, 01:48:21 pm
The tweet isn't displaying properly; perhaps this version will:

https://twitter.com/emeriticus/status/1640756732287746063

So he’s not sure that Christopher Wray, who has used the FBI to go after anyone who opposes this administration, was a bad choice or not or FBI Director but regrets endorsing Ron DeSantis? Of course.

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 30, 2023, 02:53:40 pm
Trump's problem is that he's an outsider who wants to fix the inside without knowing a damn thing about how it works.  And he's needlessly alienated too many decent conservatives who could help him do that.

It is impossible to be an effective leader of any large organization without good people skills and the ability to work well with others.   Trump's propensity to turn everything into "me against the world" makes that impossible.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: LMAO on March 30, 2023, 03:07:35 pm
It seems like Donald Trump’s only regret has been endorsing a  conservative for governor

Makes you wonder what other gifts he’s going to give to the “other side” should he get elected?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: massadvj on March 30, 2023, 03:57:57 pm
Trump's problem is that he's an outsider who wants to fix the inside without knowing a damn thing about how it works.  And he's needlessly alienated too many decent conservatives who could help him do that.

It is impossible to be an effective leader of any large organization without good people skills and the ability to work well with others.   Trump's propensity to turn everything into "me against the world" makes that impossible.

When I was a business professor, before I retired, used to have this argument with my colleagues all the time. The business literature is very clear that leadership skills require teamwork, empathy, etc. But there are many examples of autocrats who have been successful leaders. Henry Ford, Steve Jobs, General Patton, Thomas Edison, Lorne Michaels for examples. It is a long list. Clearly, the trick is to match your personality to your leadership style, not to try to fit your personality into a "one size fits all" leadership paradigm that insists on communality.

In other words, if you are a natural born power hungry a-hole, then you need to learn to leverage that, as opposed to trying to repress it.

I would actually point to Trump as a good example of autocratic leadership, since he was a successful entrepreneur, known for a "my way or the highway" approach to managing. I also think on balance he was a successful president.  He succeeds by being irrepressible. I don't think I would want him to be less so.

To me, the Wray appointment shows what happens when an abrasive autocrat tries to appease his enemies by being "inclusive." He ends up getting stabbed in the back, which happened to Trump time and time again. The biggest challenge for an autocrat is to find capable people who put loyalty to the boss above all else. Otherwise he will fail.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 30, 2023, 06:08:24 pm
@massadvj

I'm a HUGE fan of Link Wray. Maybe it's time  we started putting non-pols in positions like that? The "pros" don't seem to be doing very well.

@sneakypete
Kinda agree, but not... It may be a political appointment... But LEO is a whole lot like military in structure, form. and function... It is pretty important for leaders to come up the chain. And hopefully the hard way.

I bet y'all would not want a poof office jockey or civilian shoved into your top brass... Or rather, I am sure you prefer and respect brass that walked the walk, from in the literal trenches all the way up.

LEO is the same... or similar.

So brass has to come from within, and I am alright with that... The problem is, there are political ass kissers and activists within, just as much as without.

BOTH SIDES should not be messin with either Law and Order or Military Forces. Their purpose should not be sullied by politics.

But that ain't how it works.
Like for y'all... Buydem's leaders of the military are a caricature... Sincerely, a clown show. And it's a crying shame.

There ain't nothing for it if both sides won't provide the good faith to leave them be.... To leave military and LEO outside of politics.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 30, 2023, 06:31:25 pm
My list would add appointment of Judges/Justice

Agreed in spirit, but forgive me in that - Judicial appointments always turn out to be a crap-shoot, which is why I don't count it... As it stands, The sheer numbers in overturning throughout would tend to lean the court to the right, I would expect. And I also expect to credit him with that in the end, but that will take years... Just in the nature of it. So it is not me begrudging - I have credited him in theory already with that (as I am right now). But the only thing that really proves on it is time. So properly, not yet.

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But I do think he screwed up to some extent with the documents.  Not enough to justify what the FBI did, but I do think he gave them the opening they needed.

Oddly, I am more forgiving that you in that. Always in secure locations the greatest threat is the apathy that comes with repetition. So I am sure there were violations, There always ARE. That is normal seepage. So by no means can one cry 'innocent'

But Mar Lago has a SKIF in place -  That meets the highest marks for secure storage. It is also meaningfully guarded by Secret Service, and all personnel are surely vetted by them...

So by and large, just by the structures in place to provide and guard a SKIF, and to provide an guard a volatile ex-president... It is necessarily bullcrap.


Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 30, 2023, 07:34:05 pm
Agreed in spirit, but forgive me in that - Judicial appointments always turn out to be a crap-shoot, which is why I don't count it... As it stands, The sheer numbers in overturning throughout would tend to lean the court to the right, I would expect. And I also expect to credit him with that in the end, but that will take years... Just in the nature of it. So it is not me begrudging - I have credited him in theory already with that (as I am right now). But the only thing that really proves on it is time. So properly, not yet.

Oddly, I am more forgiving that you in that. Always in secure locations the greatest threat is the apathy that comes with repetition. So I am sure there were violations, There always ARE. That is normal seepage. So by no means can one cry 'innocent'

But Mar Lago has a SKIF in place -  That meets the highest marks for secure storage. It is also meaningfully guarded by Secret Service, and all personnel are surely vetted by them...

So by and large, just by the structures in place to provide and guard a SKIF, and to provide an guard a volatile ex-president... It is necessarily bullcrap.

I'm talking about the "I can declassify it just by thinking it" aspect of this, which is just freaking stupid as far as I'm concerned.

All it would have taken would have been to have someone go through those documents, which would have taken a couple of days, list the classified ones, and then do a letter saying he was declassifying them.  At least then he has a decent legal argument.  But arguing that he can just kind of do it in his head or verbally, without any contemporaneous record or proof that he did so, was just bone-headed.  A completely unnecessary point of contention.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on March 30, 2023, 07:42:15 pm
I'm talking about the "I can declassify it just by thinking it" aspect of this, which is just freaking stupid as far as I'm concerned.

All it would have taken would have been to have someone go through those documents, which would have taken a couple of days, list the classified ones, and then do a letter saying he was declassifying them.  At least then he has a decent legal argument.  But arguing that he can just kind of do it in his head or verbally, without any contemporaneous record or proof that he did so, was just bone-headed.  A completely unnecessary point of contention.

I think this might be about the 4th time I have mentioned this, but one of my last duties when I had managment of security, among other things at a petrochemical facility was help inmplement new and much tougher record retention requirement.  Every person in the plant was required to have a heading on every document be it strictly confidnntial, confidential, busniness critical, businees general, and general.  Each one of the document classications had a specific what they alled "point of control" requirement, which corrsponded to just that, where a point of contril could be pass word protection, a locked door, a locked file cabinet, etc.

Well after 6 months after implemation, corporate security dictated me to do. a comprehensive audit of the facility, and I found that 96% of the site was not in compliance.  Yes, it was a new requirement, but my point is, is that if you want an automatic- "gotcha" as far as rules or law infractions, document managment is the easiest way to nail someone.

And I am sure that goes for the same in Federal Government.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 30, 2023, 09:05:16 pm
I'm talking about the "I can declassify it just by thinking it" aspect of this, which is just freaking stupid as far as I'm concerned.

All it would have taken would have been to have someone go through those documents, which would have taken a couple of days, list the classified ones, and then do a letter saying he was declassifying them.  At least then he has a decent legal argument.  But arguing that he can just kind of do it in his head or verbally, without any contemporaneous record or proof that he did so, was just bone-headed.  A completely unnecessary point of contention.

Absolutely agree - But what comes out of Tumpy's mouth and reality are often different. Whatever he said don't matter.

Protected SKIF and Secret Service means those documents were safe within a pretty rigid protocol... His battleship mouth aside.

So the whole thing was bullcrap.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on March 30, 2023, 10:07:11 pm
I think this might be about the 4th time I have mentioned this, but one of my last duties when I had managment of security, among other things at a petrochemical facility was help inmplement new and much tougher record retention requirement.  Every person in the plant was required to have a heading on every document be it strictly confidnntial, confidential, busniness critical, businees general, and general.  Each one of the document classications had a specific what they alled "point of control" requirement, which corrsponded to just that, where a point of contril could be pass word protection, a locked door, a locked file cabinet, etc.

Well after 6 months after implemation, corporate security dictated me to do. a comprehensive audit of the facility, and I found that 96% of the site was not in compliance.  Yes, it was a new requirement, but my point is, is that if you want an automatic- "gotcha" as far as rules or law infractions, document managment is the easiest way to nail someone.

And I am sure that goes for the same in Federal Government.

Thing is, you were implementing a new system, in a private company with turnover, etc.   The classified document system has existed for a very long time, and the vast majority of people who work with such documents are trained on it and familiar with it.  And, it is backed by federal law with criminal penalties, so disregarding it is a bit more important than in the civilian world.

Still, its understandable that some documents may occasionally slip through the gaps through common negligence, and I get that.  I'm not hammering him for that.  What I'm hammering him for is the deliberate choice to use the stupid shortcut of "mental declassification" when there was absolutely no need to do so if you were even moderately incompetent.  But I think what happened is that he refused to let anyone make the preparations to leave the Oval Office because he was convinced that despite the election and failure of all those court cases, he'd somehow stay in office anyway.

And that was just sheer stupidity.  I can't even think of another alternative way to phrase it.  He is just stupid.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Wingnut on March 31, 2023, 12:10:00 am
Never e'f with a guy who can extradite your ass to NY
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: jafo2010 on March 31, 2023, 02:50:07 am
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sneakypete...
Quote from: Hoodat on March 14, 2023, 12:41:57 am
Stabbed in the back?  How so?

@Hoodat

You are kidding,right?

Nobody outside of Florida knew who DeSantis was until he was hooked up with Trump and everybody became convinced he would be a good VP candidate for Trump and a good man to take over after Trump has to leave office after one more term.

sneakypete,

So many comments made by you in this thread are just false, and/or out right stupid, which is not like you.

Nobody outside of Florida knows Ron DeSantis?  Really?  What rock are you living under?  Really, what state do you live in?  Your bio does not say.

Trump made DeSantis.  You believe that nonsense too?  DeSantis never needed Trump.  Not ever.

Trump never ran against Clinton?  Really?  Again, were you the fellow in real life that was frozen for years and brought back to life like Mel Gibson in the movie Forever Young?  Does the name Hillary Clinton ring a bell?

And there were so many more that I just did not want to waste my time cutting and pasting the nonsense.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Now, thanks to the *sshat Alvin Bragg, Trump will use this indictment as a unifying act like nothing moron Biden could think of in terms of unifying the country.   And BTW, you would vote for Biden?  Your words!  You do that, and you are every bit the RINO you condemn others for being on this site. 

In the end, it just does not matter what happens to Trump with this indictment.  Kabuki theater for the morons that follow the Democommie Party.

I have never seen DeSantis do anything that would fit in the realm of stabbing Trump  in the back.  Nothing!  DeSantis has had an excellent run as governor in Florida.  I understand perfectly why he would consider running in 2024.  He owes Trump nothing.  And he does not need to wait his turn either.

I voted for Trump twice, reluctantly the 2nd time.   Why?  Because he lied repeatedly to the American people, and he now lies such that I am sick of it.

FACTS RENDER TRUMP'S EMPTY RHETORIC ALMOST MEANINGLESS.

1.  Trump did NOT build the wall.  That was his biggest plank running for 2016.

2.  Trump did NOT end the H1-b Visa Program.  He met with the tech billionaire oligarchs and increased the numbers.  That is
     1.6 million Americans displaced by largely Asian Indians at half the salary and no benefits.  This one aw-sh*t wiped out
     all that he did otherwise.  I am a tech guy, and I have worked with the Indians, and I have been adversely affected
     by the H1-b Visa policy, along with many Americans I know.  TRUMP SAID HE WOULD ELIMINATE THE H1-B VISA
     PROGRAM DAY ONE, so he must have thought it was important for him getting elected. 

     His failure to end H1-b Visas resulted in 5 million people perhaps not voting for him in 2020.

3.  We have Trump to thank for Biden getting elected.  Why?  Ask yourself why?  Did it ever occur to you that Trump's
     caustic behavior, while acceptable to you, was not by folks that believe in being diplomatic, civil, and a true leader?
     Reagan was always diplomatic, and he accomplished as much if not more than Trump.  And the things Reagan
     accomplished stayed, while everything Trump did was undone in days by Biden and his Idiocracy.  As someone
     indicated further up the thread indicated, folks that are Independents do not care for that juvenile behavior.

     There are more independents today than in either of the parties.  Why?  Because they are tired of the bullsh*t from
     the two major parties.  One needs the Independents  to win a national election, and Trump is utterly clueless on
     winning friend and influencing enemies when it comes to the electoral process.  Case in point, Trump wasted his entire
     first year working on repealing Obamacare, only to have his teeth kicked in by the POS John McCain as his last act
     before checking out.  McCain had the last laugh in their relationship, and Trump accomplished nothing!!!  A whole year
     wasted.

4.  Trump has ZERO ABILITY to select and build a team that works for him, with him, etc.  This is
     one of my prime reasons I do not want him back.  The list is long:

     A.  2 - attorney generals that worked against Trump every step of the way
     B.  COVID Lead - Dr Fauci, a genocidal maniac from my view.  Trump defended him his whole presidency...uggggh!
     C.  FBI Director Wray - what a POS this fool is
     D.  All the Obama generals that he surrounded himself with...ah yes, brilliant!
     E.  Trump kept over 1,500 Obama appointees over one year into his presidency.  No mystery with the Obama generals
          and the 1,500+ Obama appointees why he had leaks coming out every other day.  STUPID, FLAT OUT STUPID!!!
     F.  Mike Pence - his first decision, and all here I think will agree Pence is just one more maggot.  Great choice.
     G.   Elaine Chao - Sen McConnell's wife.  If this wasn't kissing the posterior of the Globalists/RINOs, what was it?
     H.  Last but not least - HIS FAMILY - when a person has to resort to nepotism for something on the national stage, it
          reflects a major deficiency in the selector!!!  Seen it over and over again as a high level Fortune 100 consultant.

          Simply stated, Trump has ZERO IDEA on building a team to support his agenda.  Everything is about him, he is
          clueless on the act of delegation.   CLUELESS!!!  And if you think four more years of this nonsense will benefit
          America, you are mistaken.

          Finally, history does repeat itself.  Every POTUS in our history accomplished far less in their 2nd term than they
          did in their first term.  Far less. 

We have real problems.  First, the republic no longer exists.  With fixed elections, we no longer have a republic.  And 2020 was absolutely fixed, and not just the POTUS election.  Same could be said for 2022.  Do you really believe Fetterman won his election honestly? 

Six years of Biden will reduce this nation to a status equivalent to France or not so great, Great Britain.  We will also become a has been nation.  Biden is the wrecking ball that will tear everything good that ever existed down and make rubble of it, if not get us into a nuclear war with Russia that largely ends humanity.

So, you stating you would vote for Biden makes you hypocrite.  No conservative would vote for Biden.

I will vote for DeSantis in the primary if he runs, because he is what I consider a great leader.  But if Trump wins the primary, I will vote for him again, but I hate the thought of it.  He will accomplish almost nothing at a critical juncture in our country.

I BELIEVED IN TRUMP IN 2016, GOT MANY TO VOTE FOR HIM.  BUT HIS RHETORIC WAS EMPTY, AND HE DID NOT ACCOMPLISH THE MEAT AND POTATOES HE PROMISED THE WORKING PEOPLE OF AMERICA, THE WALL AND THE END OF H1-B VISAS.  All that was a lie.  And when he now says promises made, promises kept, he is lying.  Boldly lying!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: corbe on March 31, 2023, 03:03:08 am
   I will never Vote for Trump.  I did not vote for Romney or McCain either AND most importantly I have NEVER voted for a dem, in my 69 years.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 31, 2023, 03:15:25 am
sneakypete,

So many comments made by you in this thread are just false, and/or out right stupid, which is not like you.

Nobody outside of Florida knows Ron DeSantis?  Really?  What rock are you living under?  Really, what state do you live in?  Your bio does not say.

@jafo2010

Yes,really. I DON'T live in Florida,and I had never heard of him before,which obviously means I had heard no one talk about him before.

Trump made DeSantis.  You believe that nonsense too?  DeSantis never needed Trump.  Not ever.

Yeah,causen all those people who HAD heard of DeSantis had never heard of Trump,right?

ONE of us is living under a rock,and it ain't me.

Trump never ran against Clinton?  Really? 

Where did I ever make that claim?

Again, were you the fellow in real life that was frozen for years and brought back to life like Mel Gibson in the movie Forever YoungDoes the name Hillary Clinton ring a bell?


Don't tell me,let me guess,Trump ran against President Hillary,too?



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Now, thanks to the *sshat Alvin Bragg, Trump will use this indictment as a unifying act like nothing moron Biden could think of in terms of unifying the country.  And BTW, you would vote for Biden? Your words!   

When and where did I ever make that claim?

 

I have never seen DeSantis do anything that would fit in the realm of stabbing Trump  in the back.  Nothing!

ROFLMAO! You are clearly a DeSantis groupie.

A DeSantis has had an excellent run as governor in Florida.  I understand perfectly why he would consider running in 2024.  He owes Trump nothing.  And he does not need to wait his turn either.

See the above.

I voted for Trump twice, reluctantly the 2nd time.   Why?  Because he lied repeatedly to the American people, and he now lies such that I am sick of it.

FACTS RENDER TRUMP'S EMPTY RHETORIC ALMOST MEANINGLESS.

1.  Trump did NOT build the wall.  That was his biggest plank running for 2016.
 



I suppose you expected him to use his own money  to buy the materials,and then get out there and mix the cement and lay the blocks himself?

2.  Trump did NOT end the H1-b Visa Program.  He met with the tech billionaire oligarchs and increased the numbers.  That is
     1.6 million Americans displaced by largely Asian Indians at half the salary and no benefits.  This one aw-sh*t wiped out
     all that he did otherwise.  I am a tech guy, and I have worked with the Indians, and I have been adversely affected
     by the H1-b Visa policy, along with many Americans I know.  TRUMP SAID HE WOULD ELIMINATE THE H1-B VISA
     PROGRAM DAY ONE, so he must have thought it was important for him getting elected. 


IF I thought  you were within shouting distance of sanity I would ask you if you thought he was a dictator and didn't need the support of Congress to do major projects like that.

I am tired of babysitting you. You obviously  think Trump created "Orininal Sin".  Goodbye.
     
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: MeshugeMikey on March 31, 2023, 03:19:49 am
   I will never Vote for Trump.  I did not vote for Romney or McCain either AND most importantly I have NEVER voted for a dem, in my 69 years.
(https://i.imgur.com/9ClxGBx.jpg)
THINK MY BOARD GAME IDEA MIGHT CATCH ON??
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: jafo2010 on March 31, 2023, 04:01:27 am
Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on March 14, 2023, 03:14:24 am
I'm just going to point out that Trump himself has absolutely trashed DeSantis, calling him a "RINO Globalist", trashing his policies on COVID, and now saying he shouldn't have endorsed him.

And that is who DeSantis is now that he has "Presidential lights" in his eyes.


  And those comments have been cheered on by a great many Trump supporters, including some here   Perhaps not you (I honestly don't remember), but many.

So I always find it odd when many of those same people say he should be Trump's VP in 2024, or would be a great successor to Trump in 2028.

And he was,before he saw the bright  lights in his eyes and started his campaign because he didn't want to wait another 4  years to be President. Trump "made him" a major player by saying he would choose  him for his VP running mate,and now DeSantis is showing his true character by stabbing Trump in the back.

I don't get it.  If he's truly a RINO globalist, etc., as Trump says, then why would any Trump supporters want anything to do with the guy as veep in 2024 or as President in 2028?

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I am already on the record as saying I will NOT vote for DeSantis regardless of who the Dim candidate is.

Quote from: Kamaji on March 14, 2023, 01:16:12 pm

So, we can put @sneakypete down as a Biden supporter.

@Kamaji

I may even vote for Biden if Trump isn't the Republican candidate.

At least that way maybe I will still be young enough to pick up a rifle and go into politics when the NWO takes over.

Either Trump,or some other non-professional pol like him takes over,or the next election will signal the end of America as a nation of free people,and Trump is the only  non-professional political candidate that has been put through that wringer and understands what he will be up against.

Quote from: Kamaji on March 14, 2023, 03:36:21 pm
No, you're being a spoilt little child.  Sorry, sauce for the goose is sauce for the ganger.  All of the Trump supporters got their undies in a super-duper twist about people saying that if Trump was the nominee, they would not vote for him, and those people were accused of secretly supporting, first Clinton (in 2016) and then Biden (in 2020).  So now that the shoe's on the other foot, you get hoist on your own petard.

@Kamaji

Trump ran against Clinton? In what universe did this happen?

And frankly,I don't give a rabid rats ass what party drones like you think because your loyalty seems to be directed more to the RNC than to America.

Guess what,Bubba. A large number of our elected Republican officials are in bed with  the DNC.
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I have never seen DeSantis do anything that would fit in the realm of stabbing Trump  in the back.  Nothing!

ROFLMAO! You are clearly a DeSantis groupie.

Sneakypete,
You STILL haven’t answered the question how DeSantis stabbed Trump in the back?  He must wait his turn, is that it? Really?

Groupie of a politician?  Yeah, you know what you are talking about.  Like Trump, you get sarcastic, and bring no answers to the discourse.  Babysit me, $@!!!

NOTE:  Items in red bold above are cut and paste quotes of you sneakypete!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I suppose you expected him to use his own money  to buy the materials,and then get out there and mix the cement and lay the blocks himself?

No fool, I expect him to build a coalition to support his stated agenda versus kick them in the teeth every day, and then expect them to vote on the things he wants.  He got almost zero support in Congress because he is so used to being the dictator of his businesses, he is CLUELESS in government to the fact that alone, he accomplishes NOTHING.  He got virtually no money from Congress because he thought he could walk all over them like the road, insult them daily, and that he would still get their vote.
So, should he get elected again in 2024, do you really think Sen McConnell will do a single thing that Trump wants?  You are as CLUELESS as Trump is.  You do not GOVERN by kicking people in the teeth, unless you have a dictatorship like Putin, someone he claims to be his friend.  Uggh!!!

2.  Trump did NOT end the H1-b Visa Program.  He met with the tech billionaire oligarchs and increased the numbers.  That is
     1.6 million Americans displaced by largely Asian Indians at half the salary and no benefits.  This one aw-sh*t wiped out
     all that he did otherwise.  I am a tech guy, and I have worked with the Indians, and I have been adversely affected
     by the H1-b Visa policy, along with many Americans I know.  TRUMP SAID HE WOULD ELIMINATE THE H1-B VISA
     PROGRAM DAY ONE, so he must have thought it was important for him getting elected.


IF I thought  you were within shouting distance of sanity I would ask you if you thought he was a dictator and didn't need the support of Congress to do major projects like that.

Never thought he was a dictator, but his methods of motivating people to take a stand with him, join him, on ANYTHING, are completely devoid of a single intelligent thought.  And you too are equally clueless.
You did have me laughing hard thinking DeSantis is a no name.  That was a hoot.  I suggest you return to the cover of your rock.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: jafo2010 on March 31, 2023, 05:41:38 am
Quote
sneakypete...
I am tired of babysitting you. You obviously  think Trump created "Orininal Sin".  Goodbye.

Babysitting me?  LOL

I don't think he created Original Sin, but there are plenty that do.  Remember smart *ss, a man that sat in his basement beat Trump handily, a man that cannot utter a sentence without stumbling through the words.  Trump was so beloved, that he got beat by a functional idiot, a man dead from the neck up!!!  Did I get that wrong?

And in his effort to fight what I believe was a fixed election, he hired lawyers that were not worth a good BM.  Remember the CRACKEN come to whip the sh*t out of all the fixers?  That rhetoric was about as useful as wet matches. 

Facts, you know what facts are, right sneakypete, without having to be an ignorant smart *ss like the man you idolize like a god?

FACT  Year 1, he pisses the whole year on Obamacare.  Now, maybe you don't know much about healthcare other than being bent over and abused by it, but for those of us that have spent decades in the sh*tshow, healthcare is NOT taken lightly.  It is very complex, and has more snakes than any den of snakes that existed.  More six figure pukes that think their voids do not stink than you can imagine.  And in the end, the federal government, and particularly Congress, are about as dead from the neck up as Biden.  Every day the federal bureaucrats sit around dreaming up new ways to make healthcare more complicated than it is, and Congress avoids it like the plague.  But Trump in his infinite wisdom thought he could take it on alone, kicking John McCain in the teeth every day only for that maggot on his death bed to be the deciding vote against Trump's agenda, his own Republican POTUS. 

And you think I believe Trump to be a dictator?  I don't, but he surely did.  Dumb as a f***ing stump!!!  I guess Jared was not up to speed on healthcare to hold DT's hand on this issue!  And Ivanka was busy at the time trying to start her jewelry line I think.  Aw shucks!

I bought into Trump's empty rhetoric as much as you, but unlike the groupie you are, I measure stinking politicians not by what they say, but by what they accomplish.  Trump said he would build the wall and end the influx of illegals flooding the country taking jobs away from blue collar AMERICAN workers.  He said he would end the H1-b Visa Program DAY ONE, which would have returned 1.6 million Americans to high paid white collar jobs.  Heck, everyone I knew in systems development were excited by someone finally representing them.  But the FACT of the matter, Trump built 440 miles of wall on a 2,000+ mile border, and he INCREASED the H1-b Visa recipients at the urging of the tech billionaires, the same pukes that did stab him in the back spending probably close to $1 billion to keep him out of office in 2020.  You just can't make this sh*t up how EXACTLY STUPID TRUMP WAS!!!!

It wasn't DeSantis that stabbed him in the back, but other billionaires he trusted, men that he[Trump] kissed the posterior of only to have them repeatedly put knives in his back.  Those boys did to him what DeSantis would never even think to do to anyone.  Trump's billionaire buddies fixed his election but good.  DeSantis had nothing to do with that fix, that back stabbing.

And in discussions with many of the American folks I know in tech, they all felt betrayed.  I knew he would lose most of the 1.6 million as votes in 2020, most of their spouses, most of all the other folks in their circle of life, I figure some 5 million +/-.

And then there are the INDEPENDENTS, which number more than either party, and one does not win elections without them.  You think they enjoyed his caustic bullsh*t day in and day out like you?  Hell no, they were not Trump groupies like you.  You used the term, and believe me, if anyone in America are groupies in the political realm, it is the fools that buy Trump's empty rhetoric. 

Bottomline, out of the COVID bullsh*t, the only person that emerged a true hero was Ron DeSantis.  You know that unknown character from Florida...LOL.

And mark my words, as the truth slowly drips out, drop by drop, no one that endorsed Dr Mengele Fauci will be thought of kindly, and Trump is at the top of that list.  I never heard him once sing anything but Fauci's praises.  You know, the same man that said 'we do not need to worry about this virus'.  Said no need to wear masks, and then said wear a mask, and then said wear two masks, and then said wear a mask and a shield, and then said only the unvaxed spread the disease, and then said if you are vaxed you will not get the disease, and that the vaxed was safe.  Now that is the the ROFLMAO that will have millions dying, only I am not rolling on the floor.  I want people indicted for mass genocide.  And yes, Trump could have fired Fauci, but no, he sung his praises the whole time.

By the time November, 2024 rolls around, mark my words, anyone associated in any way with Fauci will be thought of like leprosy was back at the time of Christ.  And remember, it was TRUMP that selected Fauci to head up the fight on COVID, and defended him right up to the point he left office.  And don't think for a second that his defense of Fauci had no adverse affect on folks voting for him.  Most of the folks I know were informed about COVID, and none of them voted for Trump.  They didn't vote for Biden either.  Supporting Fauci cost Trump millions of votes. 

And the total adverse affect of COVID vaccines on the population has still not fully manifested itself.  In highly vaxed countries, mortality rates are up 10%.  Again, by 2024, there will be more and more reports of higher rates of cancer, higher mortality, etc, and no one will blame COVID vaccines until about three weeks before the election in November, 2024, and they will be naming Trump and Fauci as the merchants of death.  Come November, 2024, the Democommies will be able to run an old dead goat, and he will beat Trump.  I am talking about Biden.  He will not need to campaign again, and he will laugh all his way to victory, even if 200 million voted for Trump, there would be 201 million to vote for Biden, even though we only have 350 million in total population, and the dead and the younger than 18 can't vote.  But the dead do as we well know...again...LOL

I know as a 2nd term, Trump will do little.  But a person in his 1st term, a person proven to produce results, has a shot at it.  And the fact is, DeSantis has worked with his legislative folks to pass legislation, something Trump could take a lesson from, not that his ego would allow it.

But then again, that is assuming we had free and fair elections.  We don't.  And no one I know or have listened to knows how to restore it either.

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on March 31, 2023, 09:31:49 pm
Nobody outside of Florida knows Ron DeSantis?  Really?  What rock are you living under?  Really, what state do you live in?  Your bio does not say.

@jafo2010

Um, what the heck do you think this "book tour" is all about?  Karl Rove is feverously trying to develop some name recognition for Ronny.  And, between you and me, it ain't going so well.  🤫

Quote
Trump made DeSantis.  You believe that nonsense too?  DeSantis never needed Trump.  Not ever

Guess again, Sparky.  Had Trump not endorsed him and  pulled Ronny, who was face down on his stomach, across the finish line, in Jan 2019 Ronny would have been posting his resume on Avvo.com

Take a quick look back in time through the wonderful world of video:

1. Campaign ad:

https://youtu.be/z1YP_zZJFXs

2. 2018 victory speech:

https://mobile.twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1620473976253472768


cc:. @sneakypete
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 31, 2023, 09:35:19 pm
Babysitting me?  LOL

I don't think he created Original Sin, but there are plenty that do.  Remember smart *ss, a man that sat in his basement beat Trump handily, a man that cannot utter a sentence without stumbling through the words.  Trump was so beloved, that he got beat by a functional idiot, a man dead from the neck up!!!  Did I get that wrong?

And in his effort to fight what I believe was a fixed election, he hired lawyers that were not worth a good BM.  Remember the CRACKEN come to whip the sh*t out of all the fixers?  That rhetoric was about as useful as wet matches. 

Facts, you know what facts are, right sneakypete, without having to be an ignorant smart *ss like the man you idolize like a god?

FACT  Year 1, he pisses the whole year on Obamacare.  Now, maybe you don't know much about healthcare other than being bent over and abused by it, but for those of us that have spent decades in the sh*tshow, healthcare is NOT taken lightly.  It is very complex, and has more snakes than any den of snakes that existed.  More six figure pukes that think their voids do not stink than you can imagine.  And in the end, the federal government, and particularly Congress, are about as dead from the neck up as Biden.  Every day the federal bureaucrats sit around dreaming up new ways to make healthcare more complicated than it is, and Congress avoids it like the plague.  But Trump in his infinite wisdom thought he could take it on alone, kicking John McCain in the teeth every day only for that maggot on his death bed to be the deciding vote against Trump's agenda, his own Republican POTUS. 

And you think I believe Trump to be a dictator?  I don't, but he surely did.  Dumb as a f***ing stump!!!  I guess Jared was not up to speed on healthcare to hold DT's hand on this issue!  And Ivanka was busy at the time trying to start her jewelry line I think.  Aw shucks!

I bought into Trump's empty rhetoric as much as you, but unlike the groupie you are, I measure stinking politicians not by what they say, but by what they accomplish.  Trump said he would build the wall and end the influx of illegals flooding the country taking jobs away from blue collar AMERICAN workers.  He said he would end the H1-b Visa Program DAY ONE, which would have returned 1.6 million Americans to high paid white collar jobs.  Heck, everyone I knew in systems development were excited by someone finally representing them.  But the FACT of the matter, Trump built 440 miles of wall on a 2,000+ mile border, and he INCREASED the H1-b Visa recipients at the urging of the tech billionaires, the same pukes that did stab him in the back spending probably close to $1 billion to keep him out of office in 2020.  You just can't make this sh*t up how EXACTLY STUPID TRUMP WAS!!!!

It wasn't DeSantis that stabbed him in the back, but other billionaires he trusted, men that he[Trump] kissed the posterior of only to have them repeatedly put knives in his back.  Those boys did to him what DeSantis would never even think to do to anyone.  Trump's billionaire buddies fixed his election but good.  DeSantis had nothing to do with that fix, that back stabbing.

And in discussions with many of the American folks I know in tech, they all felt betrayed.  I knew he would lose most of the 1.6 million as votes in 2020, most of their spouses, most of all the other folks in their circle of life, I figure some 5 million +/-.

And then there are the INDEPENDENTS, which number more than either party, and one does not win elections without them.  You think they enjoyed his caustic bullsh*t day in and day out like you?  Hell no, they were not Trump groupies like you.  You used the term, and believe me, if anyone in America are groupies in the political realm, it is the fools that buy Trump's empty rhetoric. 

Bottomline, out of the COVID bullsh*t, the only person that emerged a true hero was Ron DeSantis.  You know that unknown character from Florida...LOL.

And mark my words, as the truth slowly drips out, drop by drop, no one that endorsed Dr Mengele Fauci will be thought of kindly, and Trump is at the top of that list.  I never heard him once sing anything but Fauci's praises.  You know, the same man that said 'we do not need to worry about this virus'.  Said no need to wear masks, and then said wear a mask, and then said wear two masks, and then said wear a mask and a shield, and then said only the unvaxed spread the disease, and then said if you are vaxed you will not get the disease, and that the vaxed was safe.  Now that is the the ROFLMAO that will have millions dying, only I am not rolling on the floor.  I want people indicted for mass genocide.  And yes, Trump could have fired Fauci, but no, he sung his praises the whole time.

By the time November, 2024 rolls around, mark my words, anyone associated in any way with Fauci will be thought of like leprosy was back at the time of Christ.  And remember, it was TRUMP that selected Fauci to head up the fight on COVID, and defended him right up to the point he left office.  And don't think for a second that his defense of Fauci had no adverse affect on folks voting for him.  Most of the folks I know were informed about COVID, and none of them voted for Trump.  They didn't vote for Biden either.  Supporting Fauci cost Trump millions of votes. 

And the total adverse affect of COVID vaccines on the population has still not fully manifested itself.  In highly vaxed countries, mortality rates are up 10%.  Again, by 2024, there will be more and more reports of higher rates of cancer, higher mortality, etc, and no one will blame COVID vaccines until about three weeks before the election in November, 2024, and they will be naming Trump and Fauci as the merchants of death.  Come November, 2024, the Democommies will be able to run an old dead goat, and he will beat Trump.  I am talking about Biden.  He will not need to campaign again, and he will laugh all his way to victory, even if 200 million voted for Trump, there would be 201 million to vote for Biden, even though we only have 350 million in total population, and the dead and the younger than 18 can't vote.  But the dead do as we well know...again...LOL

I know as a 2nd term, Trump will do little.  But a person in his 1st term, a person proven to produce results, has a shot at it.  And the fact is, DeSantis has worked with his legislative folks to pass legislation, something Trump could take a lesson from, not that his ego would allow it.

But then again, that is assuming we had free and fair elections.  We don't.  And no one I know or have listened to knows how to restore it either.

 goopo
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 31, 2023, 10:47:50 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/9ClxGBx.jpg)
THINK MY BOARD GAME IDEA MIGHT CATCH ON??

@Meshuge Mikey

So,if Trump is the Republican nominee,you are going to sit home and not vote,and feel smug about your role in helping re-elect Biden?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 31, 2023, 10:49:57 pm
@Meshuge Mikey

So,if Trump is the Republican nominee,you are going to sit home and not vote,and feel smug about your role in helping re-elect Biden?

Oh, here we go again...  **nononono*

When will this asinine argument go away?

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: libertybele on March 31, 2023, 10:50:56 pm
Oh, here we go again...  **nononono*

When will this asinine argument go away?

 888high58888
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: sneakypete on March 31, 2023, 10:54:54 pm
888high58888

@libertybele

It will probably outlast the next election,regardless of who  wins.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on March 31, 2023, 11:00:58 pm
@libertybele

It will probably outlast the next election,regardless of who  wins.

And it will be every bit as inane then as it is now. Intellectually bereft.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Wingnut on April 01, 2023, 02:47:34 pm
Oh, here we go again...  **nononono*

When will this asinine argument go away?


It is a go to   
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: catfish1957 on April 01, 2023, 02:57:35 pm

It is a go to

I've come to the realization there is a huge percentage of our population who have had nothing but "lesser of evils" as choice for POTUS general election....  1988,1992,1996,2000,2004,2008,2012,2016,2020, and looking now like 2024. 

We've become a nation of 10 times losers.......  And that binary choice bullshit has become worse than Lucy and Charlie Brown's Football gag.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on April 01, 2023, 03:06:52 pm
I've come to the realization there is a huge percentage of our population who have had nothing but "lesser of evils" as choice for POTUS general election....  1988,1992,1996,2000,2004,2008,2012,2016,2020, and looking now like 2024. 

We've become a nation of 10 times losers.......  And that binary choice bullshit has become worse than Lucy and Charlie Brown's Football gag.

The trick bag - endorse and approve of what you abhor, or get even worse. An Hobson's choice.

The only way to win is not to play.
How about a nice game of chess?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: bigheadfred on April 01, 2023, 03:07:07 pm
I've come to the realization there is a huge percentage of our population who have had nothing but "lesser of evils" as choice for POTUS general election....  1988,1992,1996,2000,2004,2008,2012,2016,2020, and looking now like 2024. 

We've become a nation of 10 times losers.......  And that binary choice bullshit has become worse than Lucy and Charlie Brown's Football gag.

I have a consistent record of not voting. I did vote twice this century (and twice last) for POTUS. Third party in 16 and Trump in 20 when I thought popular vote count (nationwide) would have been an issue. Doesn't look like I'll be voting in 24.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: bigheadfred on April 01, 2023, 03:16:17 pm
Might as well tell all. Reagan in 80 and Mickey Mouse in 92. That's all folks.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: GtHawk on April 01, 2023, 07:10:29 pm
Oh, here we go again...  **nononono*

When will this asinine argument go away?
But wait there's more! Didn't a certain all in for Trump member just recently state that if DeSantis was the nominee they wouldn't vote for him...you know they would sit home and not vote,and feel smug about your role in helping re-elect Biden?

Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on April 01, 2023, 07:18:05 pm
Might as well tell all. Reagan in 80 and Mickey Mouse in 92. That's all folks.

Just out of curiosity, why didn't you vote for Reagan in 1984?
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: roamer_1 on April 01, 2023, 07:33:48 pm
But wait there's more! Didn't a certain all in for Trump member just recently state that if DeSantis was the nominee they wouldn't vote for him...you know they would sit home and not vote,and feel smug about your role in helping re-elect Biden?

I know, right? Damned if I do, and damned if I don't...

But whatever they do is golden!   *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: bigheadfred on April 01, 2023, 07:49:37 pm
Just out of curiosity, why didn't you vote for Reagan in 1984?

General disillusionment in the fed/gov which still remains.
Title: Re: Trump lashes out at DeSantis, says he regrets his endorsement of him
Post by: MeshugeMikey on April 02, 2023, 12:16:22 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq9lG-qXgAI8-w_?format=jpg&name=small)

does he DO yard work...and House painting???