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General Category => Elections 2024 => Topic started by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 31, 2023, 05:02:04 pm
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Trump ramps up his war on 'Ron DeSanctimonious': Ex-president now accuses Florida governor of 'unapologetically' shutting down state and its beaches during COVID and calls him a 'globalist' as 2024 rivalry heats up
Donald Trump lambasted Florida's governor as 'Ron DeSanctimonious' on Sunday night, punctuating the end of a weekend that saw the former president go in hard against his potential 2024 Republican rival.
In a pair of posts on his Truth Social app, Trump wheeled out the nickname twice as he accused DeSantis of being a 'globalist' and having 'shut down Florida and its beaches' during the COVID-19 pandemic.
His return to using the monicker is a sign that the ex-president is ready for all-out political warfare against his burgeoning rival. DeSantis has not formally declared a White House bid, but his refusal to rule one out in this coming election cycle has infuriated Trump....
Speaking to reporters on his campaign plane that day, Trump issued a public warning to DeSantis that it would be 'disloyal' for him to run in 2024.
He wrote on Truth Social hours later, 'The revelations about Ron DeSanctimonious doing FAR WORSE than many other Republican governors, including that he unapologetically shut down Florida and its beaches, was interesting, indeed.
Trump added, referring to himself in the third person: 'DJT leading BIG!!!'....
Ron DeSanctimonious, who I made Governor in BOTH the Primary & the General, is also a Globalist, & so are his donors.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11692451/donald-trump-ron-desantis-globalist.html
Fortunately, I think DeSantis believes his loyalty flows to the country as a whole before Trump, and should run if he believes he's the better candidate.
I also think it is pretty amazing that Trump is calling out DeSantis for Covid. Trump pretty much passed the buck completely to Fauci and his aides, and other than saying he didn't believe in mandatory vaccines, didn't provide squat in the way of guidance to the states. Most likely because he figured that if he didn't say anything, nobody could accuse him of being wrong.
DeSantis did shut down Florida very early on, which was probably prudent given the early uncertainty and Florida's disproportionately high percentage of elderly. But I think every Republican -- except perhaps Trump -- also remembers that Florida was one of the first states to lift those restrictions, and that DeSantis took massive crap from the left nationally for doing so. They accused him of actually murdering his state's residents:
https://www.theroot.com/floridians-does-ron-desantis-want-to-kill-you-or-does-1847459632
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-coronavirus-florida-desantis-spin-ss-prem-20201203-tyjmgkos6bd7vo7vnripqliany-htmlstory.html
https://www.foxnews.com/media/nyts-krugman-blasted-blaming-desantis-unnecessary-covid-19-deaths-hack-partisan-buffoon
Fortunately, I think these kind of attacks on DeSantis just diminish Trump in the eyes of most voters, and help DeSantis.
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Trump is a chump to begin with and its even worse when he attacks the best Gov in the US. I wish he would crawl back to his Mar-A-logo cave and lock the gates.
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Trump is a chump to begin with and its even worse when he attacks the best Gov in the US. I wish he would crawl back to his Mar-A-logo cave and lock the gates.
DITTO!
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DeSantis' people must love it every time Trump drops "DeSanctimonious", because all it does it remind people of Trump's own flaws. He just can't stop letting his mouth be driven by his own emotions, regardless of whether or not it helps his campaign. It's one of the reasons so many people have decided they want to move on from him.
And DeSantis is showing how to run against Trump. Just ignore him, and let his own words and actions discredit him. No reason to alienate Trump's supporters by saying bad things about him because Trump's negatives already are well known.
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If Trump is not trying to drive me back into my original never Trump stance, he's doing a damned poor job of it.
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If Trump is not trying to drive me back into my original never Trump stance, he's doing a damned poor job of it.
He and his advisors must have realized what the reaction was among Republicans when he said it the first time, but he keeps doing it anyway.
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Trump is a chump to begin with and its even worse when he attacks the best Gov in the US. I wish he would crawl back to his Mar-A-logo cave and lock the gates.
If only he would go to war against the GOP Establishment instead.
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Trump and his advisors are starting to look like the gang who couldn't shoot straight.
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He and his advisors must have realized what the reaction was among Republicans when he said it the first time, but he keeps doing it anyway.
It’s red meat for the juvenile in his ego and his ardent supporters. It jades the rest of us.
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DeSantis' people must love it every time Trump drops "DeSanctimonious", because all it does it remind people of Trump's own flaws. He just can't stop letting his mouth be driven by his own emotions, regardless of whether or not it helps his campaign. It's one of the reasons so many people have decided they want to move on from him.
And DeSantis is showing how to run against Trump. Just ignore him, and let his own words and actions discredit him. No reason to alienate Trump's supporters by saying bad things about him because Trump's negatives already are well known.
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And DeSantis is showing how to run against Trump. Just ignore him, and let his own words and actions discredit him. No reason to alienate Trump's supporters by saying bad things about him because Trump's negatives already are well known.
One of many things that DeSantis has, that Trump lacks, is self control.
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I think these kinds of attacks on DeSantis just diminish Trump in the eyes of most voters and help DeSantis.
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If Trump is not trying to drive me back into my original never Trump stance, he's doing a damned poor job of it.
I'm in that ever growing group who once supported him. They call us The "Moved On"
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DITTO!
Trump is dealing with competition @mystery-ak You’ll notice he has put his name on the ballot. The others are all running, too, but they are liars and politicians. Don’t expect Trump to lie down for Haley, DeSantis or anyone else. One of the many reasons he’s needed at the top.
DeSantis faces the same problem of every other governor who imposed lockdown measures in 2020. He closed schools, government facilities, and private business establishments and imposed mandatory isolation for visitors from NY, NJ and LA ---- sending the highway patrol to look for license plates. It also doesn’t help DeSantis that he imposed a mix of measures that makes no sense to any rational person — like closing beaches and other outdoor areas, allowing restaurants and bars to open at 50% of their seating capacity, and allowing Walmart to open with no restrictions at all.
DeSantis’ biggest mistake here is that he won’t just own up to his decisions from 2020. Instead, he and his handlers have crafted a campaign message that he “stood up for freedom during COVID,” when the well documented evidence shows that to be totally false. Other Republican governors did, but not DeSantis.
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If only he would go to war against the GOP Establishment instead.
Yup
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Thanks for the new smiley
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He and his advisors must have realized what the reaction was among Republicans when he said it the first time, but he keeps doing it anyway.
He is listening to the wrong people again.
It is a politically fatal flaw, and just shows he hasn't learned anything.
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Trump is dealing with competition @mystery-ak You’ll notice he has put his name on the ballot. The others are all running, too, but they are liars and politicians. Don’t expect Trump to lie down for Haley, DeSantis or anyone else. One of the many reasons he’s needed at the top.
DeSantis faces the same problem of every other governor who imposed lockdown measures in 2020. He closed schools, government facilities, and private business establishments and imposed mandatory isolation for visitors from NY, NJ and LA ---- sending the highway patrol to look for license plates. It also doesn’t help DeSantis that he imposed a mix of measures that makes no sense to any rational person — like closing beaches and other outdoor areas, allowing restaurants and bars to open at 50% of their seating capacity, and allowing Walmart to open with no restrictions at all.
DeSantis’ biggest mistake here is that he won’t just own up to his decisions from 2020. Instead, he and his handlers have crafted a campaign message that he “stood up for freedom during COVID,” when the well documented evidence shows that to be totally false. Other Republican governors did, but not DeSantis.
I for one am tired of his schtick of attacking Conservatives and name calling.. 9999hair out0000
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I for one am tired of his schtick of attacking Conservatives and name calling.. 9999hair out0000
As am I. It is pointless, divisive, and does nothing more constructive than further democrat party narratives.
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DeSantis is running. Trump sees it and isn’t letting him control the timing. DeSantis, unlike Trump, isn’t a straight shooter ---- he’s happy to let others do his bidding and rewrite his history. This is how all political pukes operated before Trump.
I wish DeSantis would at least be man enough to admit he lied when he gave his word to Trump that he wouldn't run if Trump formally announced his candidacy. Maybe Paul Ryan will address this personally.
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It also doesn’t help DeSantis that he imposed a mix of measures that makes no sense to any rational person — like closing beaches
DeSantis didn't close any beaches.
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As the Trump 2024 diminishes, watch for further lashing out
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I for one am tired of his schtick of attacking Conservatives and name calling.. 9999hair out0000
Setting someone's record straight is not an "attack".
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I wish DeSantis would at least be man enough to admit he lied when he gave his word to Trump that he wouldn't run if Trump formally announced his candidacy.
Speaking of lies . . .
Trump annoyed that Ron DeSantis won't publicly promise not to run against him in 2024, report says
TOM PORTER | NOV 12, 2021, 20:32 IST (https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/trump-annoyed-that-ron-desantis-wont-publicly-promise-not-to-run-against-him-in-2024-report-says/articleshow/87670812.cms)
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DeSantis didn't close any beaches.
And your comments on the rest of the list are ......
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I for one am tired of his schtick of attacking Conservatives and name calling.. 9999hair out0000
Perfectly stated. Schtick is an apt description of the tactics employed now by DJT.
I honestly think he is panicking after his politcal brand took massive hits after the glowing almost sponsorship of Oz and Walker.
If mainstream conseratives could band together and ignore his threats, I think even the Orange-ites would eventually understand what the guy is really about....... Intimidation and gimmickry.
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Setting someone's record straight is not an "attack".
Then save it for the debates...'Ron DeSanctimonious' is so juvenile...
Has it occurred to Trump that he will need Florida to win....keep up the attacks and he will risk losing Fla.
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It’s red meat for the juvenile in his ego and his ardent supporters.
No. It is not @Lando Lincoln
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DeSantis didn't close any beaches.
Actually he did. For a short time.
Edited... Or maybe it was our local officials that closed them. Need to do a deep dive.
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DeSantis didn't close any beaches.
And your comments on the rest of the list are ......
Florida won’t close its beaches. Here’s exactly what DeSantis said about that. - 2020/03/19 (https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/03/19/florida-wont-close-its-beaches-heres-exactly-what-desantis-said-about-that-1268185)
DeSantis pushes back in beach closure lawsuit - 2020/04/02 (https://cbs12.com/news/local/desantis-pushes-back-in-beach-closure-lawsuit)
Florida governor refuses to shut down beaches amid spread of coronavirus - 2020/03/22 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-governor-refuses-shut-down-beaches-amid-spread-coronavirus-n1162226)
In Florida, we love our beaches. Thanks to our governor, now we can die for them. - 2020/04/22 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/florida-beach-coronavirus-desantis/2020/04/22/9a45c782-8429-11ea-ae26-989cfce1c7c7_story.html)
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Actually he did. For a short time.
Edited... Or maybe it was our local officials that closed them. Need to do a deep dive.
It was local governments. Not DeSantis.
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As am I. It is pointless, divisive, and does nothing more constructive than further democrat party narratives.
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Then save it for the debates...'Ron DeSanctimonious' is so juvenile...
The debates come after the DeSantis rewritten hagiography will have been carved into stone. Trump's not going to allow that. Period.
As to the objection to "DeSanctmonius" ------ the preferred tag would have pleased you less. 888blackhat
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It was local governments. Not DeSantis.
Yep.... Thanks.
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Imagine- A GOP political landscape with out Trump polluting it with intentional polarization within our ranks. happy77
If he does run, we need to attack him with the same level of veracity as he did against his opponents in '16.
Let paybacks be HELL!!!!
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Setting someone's record straight is not an "attack".
Repeatedly using a childish play on someone's name, like DeSanctimonous, is childish in the extreme and indicates a fundamental lack of character.
What it most definitely is not is "setting someone's record straight".
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Ron DeSanctimonious should select Rosie O'Donnell as his VP running mate. The Orange Man wouldn't be able to keep quiet.
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I wish DeSantis would at least be man enough to admit he lied when he gave his word to Trump that he wouldn't run if Trump formally announced his candidacy.
1) Where is Trump's accusation that DeSantis promised not to run against him, and;
2) Is there any evidence other than Trump's say-so that DeSantis actually made that promise?
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"Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican."
Ronald Wilson Reagan
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"Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican."
Ronald Wilson Reagan
We soon forget that not that long ago, Trump was a democrat and cozy with the Clintons.
Reagan had a natural progession towards the right in his politcal development. Trump's political tendencies were more like a weather vane.
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"Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican."
Ronald Wilson Reagan
AMEN!
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If only he would go to war against the GOP Establishment instead.
Amen. Instead, he continues to act like a petulant child.
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Actually he did. For a short time.
Edited... Or maybe it was our local officials that closed them. Need to do a deep dive.
DeSantis orders major shutdown of beaches, businesses in Broward, Palm Beach
Movie theaters, bowling alleys, arcades, gyms, beaches, bars and more will all be affected.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis issued an executive order Friday calling for strict closures of beaches and businesses in Broward and Palm Beach counties. The restrictions are much broader than what he has ordered statewide thus far.
The closures apply to “all movie theatres, concert houses, auditoriums, playhouses, bowling alleys, arcades, gymnasiums, fitness studios and beaches” in those two counties, according to the release from the governor’s office. The order will be in effect until March 31. However, they can be renewed at that time with a written request from the county administrators.
Additionally, all bars, nightclubs and restaurants with seating for more than 10 people must close their on-premises services, and can only operate their kitchens for take-out or deliveries.
The closure order does not apply to grocery stores, pharmacies, gas stations or convenience stores.
DeSantis, speaking in Broward County Thursday evening, said he would be issuing the order for Broward and Palm Beach counties Friday morning. The order would be similar to restrictions issued in Miami-Dade County, he said, and would be made in consultation with local officials. He said additional closures were necessary in those counties because of community spread of the coronavirus.
“That’s based off the recommendations of local officials but also the (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) recommendations, that when you do have community spread, then there’s additional items that should be on the list,” he said. “Southeast Florida is the epicenter of what we’re fighting in Florida, so we want to work constructively with the local folks.”
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/03/20/desantis-orders-major-shutdown-of-beaches-businesses-in-broward-palm-beach/
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You do realize that on March 20th, 2020 C-19 was a public health mystery, and little or nothing was known at this point, except initially people were dropping like flies during the early most virulent part of the pandemic. Everyone was scared as hell at first.
At least keep you hypocrotical aspect counters in check .
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DeSantis did have lockdowns, more or less, for a couple of months very early in the pandemic. That was in accordance with what Trump's own designated spokesman/expert, Dr. Fauci, was telling governors to do. It's the height of hypocrisy for Trump to present to the country his own expert to give advice, not contradict or publicly disagree with that expert at all, and then more than two years later blame DeSantis for listening to Trump's own spokesman. And Trump's No. 1 Covid guy expressly criticized Florida for re-opening too soon, and Trump didn't say squat.
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/fauci-suggests-florida-among-states-that-may-have-reopened-too-quickly/2260667/
Okay, let's look at what Trump himself said about Covid and lockdown orders:
President Donald Trump, hours after governors on both coasts announced regional plans for reopening their states, asserted “total authority” over decisions about when and how to emerge after coronavirus shutdowns.
“When somebody’s president of the United States, the authority is total,” Trump said at a press briefing Monday when asked about the governors’ plans. “And that’s the way it’s got to to be. It’s total. It’s total. And the governors know that.”
https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/04/13/trump-claims-total-authority-over-state-decisions-1275506
So by Trump's own words, every single closure or even decision not to close is on him, because he (allegedly...) had "total authority" overall such decisions. So even if a governor was wrong, it's still on Trump. As is every crappy lockdown decision made by every governor in the country.
Of course, that's only if Trump wasn't just talking out of his sphincter when he claimed "total authority"....
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I winced and voted for Mr. Trump in his first campaign.
I supported and voted for President Trump in his reelection bid.
Now, I find myself exhausted of…
…him.
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"https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/03/20/desantis-orders-major-shutdown-of-beaches-businesses-in-broward-palm-beach/
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis issued an executive order Friday calling for strict closures of beaches and businesses in Broward and Palm Beach counties. The restrictions are much broader than what he has ordered statewide thus far.
The closures apply to “all movie theatres, concert houses, auditoriums, playhouses, bowling alleys, arcades, gymnasiums, fitness studios and beaches” in those two counties, according to the release from the governor’s office. The order will be in effect until March 31.
So DeSantis issues an order on March 20 closing beaches in two counties until March 31...and that's Trump's (and yours) argument??? Most of the country lived through a year+ of that crap, and Trump is going to go after DeSantis for an eleven day order, when Trump's own Covid guru was publicly pushing for much more???
I mean, do you think everyone just forgets that Trump was Fauci's boss? Did Trump ever publicly disagree with or contradict Fauci's recommendations??? Damn, I'm really hoping that Trump decides to push this if there is a debate, because DeSantis would tie Fauci to Trump's leg and send him right to the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico. Rhetorically speaking, of course.
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I winced and voted for Mr. Trump in his first campaign.
I supported and voted for President Trump in his reelection bid.
Now, I find myself exhausted of…
…him.
Same here...I had to vote for McCain and Romney which I swore I never would..now..I sure don't want to vote for Trump a third time...
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I winced and voted for Mr. Trump in his first campaign.
I supported and voted for President Trump in his reelection bid.
Now, I find myself exhausted of…
…him.
I never voted for him until 2020 when i enthusiastically did. I have also said that he has my support in 2024 but his own actions are seriously eroding that commitment.
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I voted for him in 2016 solely because he promised to appoint judicial conservatives when it came to Supreme Court nominations, and because he wouldn't be open borders. He came through on those two issues in 2020, so I voted for him again.
But to me, that's pretty much the minimum for a Republican anyway. So I'd prefer just about anyone else over Trump as long as they promise those same two things.
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1) Where is Trump's accusation that DeSantis promised not to run against him, and;
2) Is there any evidence other than Trump's say-so that DeSantis actually made that promise?
Asking @Right_in_Virginia to provide proof to back up her claims? Good luck with that.
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If DeSantis wins the nomination, I could see Trump pulling a Ross Perot.
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If DeSantis wins the nomination, I could see Trump pulling a Ross Perot.
Without a doubt. I could even see the RNC helping him do it.
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Without a doubt. I could even see the RNC helping him do it.
I will almost guarantee it. Trump is a vindictive sort.
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https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1620455451417804807
more here
https://dailycaller.com/2023/01/31/ron-desantis-press-conference-education-donald-trump-covid-19-attacks-republicans-2024/
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https://dailycaller.com/2023/01/31/ron-desantis-press-conference-education-donald-trump-covid-19-attacks-republicans-2024/
DeSantis didn't even mention Trump by name. Class act. He makes Trump look like the ass clown that he is.
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Asking @Right_in_Virginia to provide proof to back up her claims? Good luck with that.
I see you're still a moth circling my flame. Thank you for your unwavering devotion @Hoodat 6666kiss
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DeSantis didn't even mention Trump by name. Class act. He makes Trump look like the ass clown that he is.
Been almost 35 years since we've had a real grown up in the White House. It will be refreshing if and when it happens.
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I see you're still a moth circling my flame. Thank you for your unwavering devotion @Hoodat 6666kiss
QED
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DeSantis' response is strong. He pointed out that after Covid, and after a hurricane, he was elected by the largest margin ever by a Republican. And that's after winning in a squeaker the first time. I remember how the media was poised to like a school of piranha to tear him to shreds after that hurricane, and he handled it brilliantly. He's not just the right rhetoric -- he also is extremely competent at the job. And it also seems like he's adept at surrounding himself with capable subordinates who take his directions and implement them correctly. That ability to find, select, and retain capable subordinates is absolutely essential if you want to implement meaningful and lasting change.
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And DeSantis is showing how to run against Trump. Just ignore him, and let his own words and actions discredit him. No reason to alienate Trump's supporters by saying bad things about him because Trump's negatives already are well known.
True story. And another good reason to like the man.
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DeSantis' response is strong. He pointed out that after Covid, and after a hurricane, he was elected by the largest margin ever by a Republican. And that's after winning in a squeaker the first time. I remember how the media was poised to like a school of piranha to tear him to shreds after that hurricane, and he handled it brilliantly. He's not just the right rhetoric -- he also is extremely competent at the job. And it also seems like he's adept at surrounding himself with capable subordinates who take his directions and implement them correctly. That ability to find, select, and retain capable subordinates is absolutely essential if you want to implement meaningful and lasting change.
DeSantis also has the advantage of a GOP controlled legislature and is governor of what is now a solidly red state. Those advantages go away should he win the Presidency
Is Ron the man to fix our National mess? I don’t know. But if he were to govern the country with the same ability and talent he’s governed Fla, we could experience a turn around such as we had with another President named “Ron”
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Does this earn an @mystery-ak "Ditto!", too?
Silly goose. Trying to infer one member's POV to another? We aren't an echo chamber.
Keep pushing the orange. I think your ranks are shrinking by the day.
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Silly goose. We aren't an echo chamber.
But we will be if you have your way.
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But we will be if you have your way.
No I don't. You seem to forget I voted for the guy in '16 and '20.
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DeSantis also has the advantage of a GOP controlled legislature and is governor of what is now a solidly red state. Those advantages go away should he win the Presidency
I would gladly settle for someone who is not in bed with the GOP Establishment - one who governs as a Conservative for a change.
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Total bunk. Beaches were open after the "15 days" nonsense, mask mandates partly unenforced, and the governor was planning to reopen schools by August while Fauci trashed him from his perch in DC. The national guard was deployed soon after St. George slipped the surly bonds of earth. Some of the cities are wackadoodle, but the state is exceptionally well managed.
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Total bunk. Beaches were open after the "15 days" nonsense, mask mandates partly unenforced, and the governor was planning to reopen schools by August while Fauci trashed him from his perch in DC. The national guard was deployed soon after St. George slipped the surly bonds of earth. Some of the cities are wackadoodle, but the state is exceptionally well managed.
And lets not forget who Fauci worked for, either. I don't recall Trump ever criticizing Fauci publicly, or distancing himself from any of the recommendations being made by Fauci or the CDC. If he ever did, it was very late in the game, long after DeSantis had lifted everything against the recommendations of Fauci/CDC.
I've seen people try to make excuses for Trump when it came to Fauci by saying "well, Trump isn't a doctor, so how is he supposed to know that Fauci's recommendations weren't correct?" If that argument held any water at all, it would be even more applicable to a governor than to a President.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Word to the wise...when you post one of your zingers to/at me then delete it, think twice...I can read all deleted posts here... :smokin:
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@Right_in_Virginia
Word to the wise...when you post one of your zingers to/at me then delete it, think twice...I can read all deleted posts here... :smokin:
:rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:
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Rule No. 1 in the business world. Never diss the boss.
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DeSantis' people must love it every time Trump drops "DeSanctimonious", because all it does it remind people of Trump's own flaws. He just can't stop letting his mouth be driven by his own emotions, regardless of whether or not it helps his campaign. It's one of the reasons so many people have decided they want to move on from him.
And DeSantis is showing how to run against Trump. Just ignore him, and let his own words and actions discredit him. No reason to alienate Trump's supporters by saying bad things about him because Trump's negatives already are well known.
Absolutely. I got very bored with Trump's drama and name calling...no matter how good or bad he was as a president.To my knowledge DeSantis hasn't declared, has he?
Instead of utilizing someone who would be a valuable asset, he goes on attack for no discernable reason. This shows me he hasn't learned a darn thing. He may/may not be a politician but his lack of common sense astounds me. But people will claim he had no support while in office. I wonder why that is.
His ego is his own worst enemy.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Word to the wise...when you post one of your zingers to/at me then delete it, think twice...I can read all deleted posts here... :smokin:
Good to know @mystery-ak ..... But I wasn't posting a "zinger" to or at you. I was attempting to ask a serious question about the direction of the forum and --- in a benign way ---- ask if you supported @catfish1957 's clarion call for payback. I deleted the post because I subsequently thought this was a conversation better suited for a PM than for public consumption.
I started to write a PM to you and @Cyber Liberty but then @catfish1957 jumped in and answered my deleted post (he is able to read them, too?).
Anyway, Catfish provided the answer ___ so I cancelled the PM. :shrug:
No worries, message received all around. Thanks.
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@catfish1957 was quick...he was able to quote you before you deleted it...
Only Admin can read deleted posts...not sure Mods can I will have to look at their settings..
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"Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican."
Ronald Wilson Reagan
There you have it folks! He can't win votes with his insane rhetoric against Republicans or Democrats for that matter.
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DeSantis also has the advantage of a GOP controlled legislature and is governor of what is now a solidly red state. Those advantages go away should he win the Presidency
Fair point. On the other hand, his name isn't yet toxic in a bunch of states that will be electing Senators in 2024, nor does he enjoy needlessly alienating swing votes just because it amuses him. In other words, I think he's more likely to be able to being a GOP Congress, and more likely to develop positive relationships with members of Congress, than is Trump. Who seems to revel in pissing off people whose support he may later need.
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Is Ron the man to fix our National mess? I don’t know. But if he were to govern the country with the same ability and talent he’s governed Fla, we could experience a turn around such as we had with another President named “Ron”
DeSantis is far more 'Reagan-esque', in both tone and stature... And he didn't have to steal slogans for that appearance. I think the Conservative mantle fits him, neatly and naturally, without being forced...
So far, I have found nothing to change my mind... I will vote for this guy.
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DeSantis is far more 'Reagan-esque', in both tone and stature... And he didn't have to steal slogans for that appearance. I think the Conservative mantle fits him, neatly and naturally, without being forced...
So far, I have found nothing to change my mind... I will vote for this guy.
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He doesn't have Reagan's easy charisma -- who does? -- but he's absolutely wicked smart. The stuff Reagan could do because of his ability to communicate, DeSantis can do because he figures out the perfect leverage points to get public opinion behind him on an issue. Certainly the first guy since Reagan who has the potential to convert people to actual conservativism.
Really hoping he runs.